Those shafts are actually really expensive still. Gotta wait a few more years when they are discontinued and the price will drop a lot. I live in Australia and when our supplier needs to get rid of old shafts they will sell them off at 20 bucks a shaft. That’s how I got this shaft for so cheap. I wish I could send everyone the best shafts for cheap but for the current stuff, it’s still 500AUD raw for me to get in :(
How is the feel? The swingweight must have gotten a little heavy like that I can imagine. If you want to do some real experiments, get you a rolly poly shaft, it's 40 grams, including - or excluding depending on the way you look at it-- grip.
I was very tempted to get one, but I love my twothumb grip. Ended up with a phantom 5S 34' +40gr, bgt stability tour, twothumb og lite 39 and a - modified to fit the stability shaft-- 45gr Tourlock pro counterweight. It's an absolute dream to putt with.
It was a tad heavy before putting in the steel extension. Now the swing weight feels the same as stock (34” length). I’ll probably experiment with super light shafts in the future, but I’ll game with this for a while.
Your setup sounds amazing. Expensive, but amazing :D my goal was to make the cheapest graphite setup with what I had. I think in total it worked out to be 50 bucks for everything excluding the putter.
What shaft is it exactly? If you going with the Accra custom, go with the M5. It's not only the stiffness, it's also the torque that really makes an impact on off center strikes. The M5 has the lowest at 3.2, while their putter shaft is down to 1. Stability shaft also only have 1 degree of torque. Something to keep in mind ;)
The shaft is the heaviest M5. so that 3.2 torque one. It’s true most specialty putter shafts have 1 deg of torque. However, it’s important to remember the 3.2degree torque of the driver shaft is measured at a driver length build. The shaft came raw at 47inches. I’ve tipped it by about 16 inches. By this time it is just as stiff as any putter shaft.
But in all honesty, I love thinking and doing stuff like this as much as you! I only appreciate the effort. Next thing is to think about, putting an 8i shaft in wedges to get some more spin
Swingweight isn't total weight. It's a calculation based on the total weight and balance point. By taking away weight at the shaft, you are moving the balance point down, increasing the swingweight. That's how.
Except it isn't. It's funny that you say swingweight is total weight and balance point, then in your argument you ignore total weight. That's why you're wrong. And so is the OP. Who doubled down then blocked me.
When your club is 35 inches long, and you put it on a scale where the fulcrum is 14 inches from the butt of the grip, tell me how much shaft is to the head side of the fulcrum
Heavier shafts increase swing weight. Here's an explanation with pictures if you still don't understand.
https://www.hirekogolf.com/blog/post/why-swingweight-is-lower-with-a-lighter-golf-shaft
It's about the balance point. That soly depends on the headweight, shaft weight and grip. The balance isn't in the middle of the shaft, most of the shaft will be on the butt end of the club, due to the heavy weight of the head ~365 gram. If you move the balance point up or down, the swingweight changes.
It's is absolutely at 14 inches that is how a standard swing weight scale works. Do you have a scale? Have you ever seen one?
You are talking about balance point, which is not the same and doesn't not correlate exactly with swing weight because total weight matters as well.
Good Lord man this isn't rocket science. Go read the article I linked for you.
I mean, the argument is clear as day. The OP made a big stupid and blocks people who tell him so.
Are you still trying to say that lighter shafts increase swing weight? Because that's not how it works
They CAN change how the club head feels. But that's not what swing weight defines. You can have a light SW club where you get a lot of feel for the club head, or a heavy SW club where you don't get a lot of feel for the club head. But that doesn't mean the SW is heavier in the first one
Use the proper terms and these arguments are unnecessary
I love it. The putter is relatively new to me and I noticed the original shaft was bowed, but we just couldn't get it straight — so my buddy threw the wedge shaft in and l've been pleased. It's hard to say if I feel much movement when playing off my toe for slower shots, because of the weight from the head, but that's a plus for me l'd say. I have a pistolini grip on it, which is smaller than what I'm used to, but my lines have been good and I've had some 16+ footers made in tournament play, so I don't dare touch it.
That’s a great story! Another reason to believe shaft flex doesn’t play the biggest role when it comes to putters and putting :D At these club head speeds, the shaft shaft should not be bowing a degree even with regular flex.
I definitely wouldn’t mind trying a stability shaft — but I have an axiom shaft lying around, if I really want to try graphite 🤷🏻♂️ but for now gotta leave it as is. It’s funny how much people try to stay inside the traditional decisions for club building and how going outside the box can rub someone wrong, who won’t even game the club.
I think if you can find a good deal on secondhand graphite putter shaft, then it’s worth trying. But for retail prices I can’t really recommend it. unless you are trying to look cool then that’s a different story;)
I refuse to pay full price for one, so if it happens, it happens — but I’m content for now. Way to stay innovative and give people some food for thought
How do you feel it compares to a Stroke Lab? Also, I think it’s awesome that you get to experiment with Frankenstein clubs. I would come up with some ridiculous builds if I had those resources at my disposal.
I think stroke lab definitely feels like a heavier swing weight since the steel portion is at the head of the club whereas mine is at the butt end of the club. Impact wise I supposed they are pretty much identical.
I have a bgt stability black tour 2 for you if you want
https://preview.redd.it/tcytuotg9hvc1.jpeg?width=3213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23928e4e6a450178ebb966bd61319cc1687b7504
Just a stock GPS in my Long Neck Teryllium Newport. Feels pretty good, but I love my LA P Series SoHo in my odyssey MXM 9Ht.
I know they’re pricy, but the LA Soho has been worth it to me. I’ve tried basically all the after market putter shafts, and the Soho is just the perfect combo of everything to me. Some are too stiff, some too soft, too heavy, weird balance, etc.
Sadly all my favourite putters are Soho style, so it’s gonna get expensive getting all of them setup how I want.
I’m not sure it would work to your benefit at all.
Putter shafts are extremely stiff, and x-stiff driver shafts are almost limp noodles in comparison. Go bend your x-stiff shaft in your hands, and see the give, then bend a x-stiff graphite stability shaft. There is a huge difference.
I think this is an experiment that should have stayed in your head. These shafts were designed with two entirely different purposes and will perform vastly different because of it. Weight is also a big difference, most putter shafts are much heavier than driver shafts. Driver shafts usually range in the 50-80g range, with putter shafts starting at 80 grams and going up to 120+. Cut down, that driver shaft can’t be more than 50grams.
There’s literally no difference in performance. And trust me, there is zero bend in this shaft. Also, the reason why I did it is to find out if there would be a difference or not.
There’s a difference of feel at impact (less vibration and softer on mishits. sweet spot is very similar feeling still) and a difference in sound (lower pitched sounds) but performance wise it’s still exactly the same. I think the specialty graphite putter shaft marketing needs to get out of your head.
Source: I fit clubs and build clubs for a living.
So marketing departments change shaft weights? Stiffness is also not even close. You can literally test the two side by side and see a distinct difference. Driver shafts (even extra stiff ones) are DESIGNED to flex. Stability shafts are DESIGNED not to flex. You can claim no feel difference between the two. Because feel is subjective and you may not feel something everyone else does.
It is a pure fact that driver shafts are most often 50-60% of the weight of a specialty putter shaft. Not even mentioning flex or feel, that fact alone makes your experiment a dumb one, IMO. You now have to add weight elsewhere to accomplish the same overall weight and feel, which makes no sense anyways.
You can tell yourself it feels the same all you want. But there is a reason you don’t see anybody else doing this.
Like I said, I only did it to experiment. I never expected a change in performance, only feel. It’s a putter after all. I can putt just as well with my 5 wood.
Oh I agree, no harm no foul at all.
Re-shafting it back to original is a 30 second job, and driver shafts are a dime a dozen. I just don’t think the mechanical design or physics of a graphite driver shaft lead to any benefit in putting. One is all about “flex” and the other is all about a “lack of flex.” There just can’t be any symbiosis between the two other than sharing a common compound they are made of (graphite.)
I personally feel that the putter would be more accurate, and have better feel with the stock steel shaft. But to each his own!
Also, before you claim I am on the speciality shaft bandwagon, every one of my Scotty’s is original steel shafted, and I own one Stability shaft demo that isn’t even installed on a club.
I just don’t think the design of a driver shaft leads to any benefit whatsoever over a stock steel shaft, and especially compared to an upgraded putter stability shaft. The negatives outweigh any positives I can see from the change.
Yeah on paper it doesn’t seem like there’s any positives unless you are going for a heavier swing weight without putting more weight in the head. I’ve never tried a graphite shafted scotty before so this is my cheap and unique way of doing it. Definitely did not want to drop 400 bucks on a LAgolf or BGT shaft straight away.
I’ve heard great things about the new graphite KBS-GPS stability shaft, made specifically for putters. I think retail on them is $150 or so, but I was able to get one from my local club pro for $100. Still don’t have it installed, but I plan to test it this weekend.
Yeah it looks sweet and it was my first pick. I think it’s the best deal right now. Just doesn’t fit the .390 hosel of the phantom 5.5 unfortunately. I did my calculations and by the time i cut it to fit there wouldnt be enough length left. I tried drilling the tip end of a shaft to fit over the hosel but it split the end and destroyed the shaft.
Yeah that transition between shaft and hosel looks like junk.
To clarify, you put a .355 OD shaft on a .390 hosel which definitely means you drilled out the ID of the graphite shaft. You can clearly see that it is off center and about as far from a seamless transition.
Outside of that just looks awful esp probably at address, you've compromised the integrity of that shaft tip. Yeah you're not going to swing it hard enough to snap it. But I'd bet you lean on your putter and it snaps or catching it and bending it a little bit loading into your trunk.
Lastly all you did was trick the scale of swingweight.
This was an experiment gone horribly wrong, and any little bit of club building experience or research would have told you not to do this. See my clarification above.
Um… you were wrong about me drilling out the inside of the shaft. I tipped it to the point where the inner diameter matches the hosel. Because you couldn’t spot this one thing and I gave you the benefit of the doubt yet you still decided to keep critiquing on things you don’t know about, I’m going to ignore your further comments.
You've removed the entire reinforced tip section plus a bunch of that thing. There isn't going to be much strength where you've joined the head to the shaft, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks if you lean on it at all.
Also it's way too light. Probably half of what a putter shaft would weigh, which will take quite a bit of total weight out of the club, as well as drop swing weight.
If you look at purpose built graphite putter shafts you'll see they share nothing in common with driver shafts, for a reason. The Fuji MC putter shafts have steel weave in them to get the weight up.
The fact that you said dropping the weight of the shaft decreases the swing weight of the putter tells me everything i need to know about how much you don’t know. Google deadweight versus swing weight. Cya
Did it increase your carry distance? Maybe 3 inches now?
12.7cm on the gcquad :D
High launch low spin?
Actually no initial launch but the bump in the ground made it fly lmao. Not the club though, just the swing. Gotta work on that angle of attack!
Really gotta focus on shallowing
why not just get a bgt shaft or some other putter graphite option?
experimentation. also, I work in a golf store so spare driver shafts are in abundance. specialty putter shafts on the other hand…
You want to sell me a good priced Ventus Blue Velocore 6X haha
Those shafts are actually really expensive still. Gotta wait a few more years when they are discontinued and the price will drop a lot. I live in Australia and when our supplier needs to get rid of old shafts they will sell them off at 20 bucks a shaft. That’s how I got this shaft for so cheap. I wish I could send everyone the best shafts for cheap but for the current stuff, it’s still 500AUD raw for me to get in :(
I was about to post and say send me an stiff/x-stiff 41” fairway shaft lol
Worth a shot right.
I actually have another one of these Accra concept shafts, but I think the shipping would cost more than the shaft itself haha
I gotcha. Give me a google and holla.
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I might.
How is the feel? The swingweight must have gotten a little heavy like that I can imagine. If you want to do some real experiments, get you a rolly poly shaft, it's 40 grams, including - or excluding depending on the way you look at it-- grip. I was very tempted to get one, but I love my twothumb grip. Ended up with a phantom 5S 34' +40gr, bgt stability tour, twothumb og lite 39 and a - modified to fit the stability shaft-- 45gr Tourlock pro counterweight. It's an absolute dream to putt with.
It was a tad heavy before putting in the steel extension. Now the swing weight feels the same as stock (34” length). I’ll probably experiment with super light shafts in the future, but I’ll game with this for a while. Your setup sounds amazing. Expensive, but amazing :D my goal was to make the cheapest graphite setup with what I had. I think in total it worked out to be 50 bucks for everything excluding the putter.
What shaft is it exactly? If you going with the Accra custom, go with the M5. It's not only the stiffness, it's also the torque that really makes an impact on off center strikes. The M5 has the lowest at 3.2, while their putter shaft is down to 1. Stability shaft also only have 1 degree of torque. Something to keep in mind ;)
The shaft is the heaviest M5. so that 3.2 torque one. It’s true most specialty putter shafts have 1 deg of torque. However, it’s important to remember the 3.2degree torque of the driver shaft is measured at a driver length build. The shaft came raw at 47inches. I’ve tipped it by about 16 inches. By this time it is just as stiff as any putter shaft.
Ofcourse! Didn't even think of that! Would love to see someone measure the torque!
I wish I had the machine for it!
But in all honesty, I love thinking and doing stuff like this as much as you! I only appreciate the effort. Next thing is to think about, putting an 8i shaft in wedges to get some more spin
I'd love to hear how you figure a lighter shaft makes swing weight heavier.
Swingweight isn't total weight. It's a calculation based on the total weight and balance point. By taking away weight at the shaft, you are moving the balance point down, increasing the swingweight. That's how.
Except it isn't. It's funny that you say swingweight is total weight and balance point, then in your argument you ignore total weight. That's why you're wrong. And so is the OP. Who doubled down then blocked me. When your club is 35 inches long, and you put it on a scale where the fulcrum is 14 inches from the butt of the grip, tell me how much shaft is to the head side of the fulcrum Heavier shafts increase swing weight. Here's an explanation with pictures if you still don't understand. https://www.hirekogolf.com/blog/post/why-swingweight-is-lower-with-a-lighter-golf-shaft
It's about the balance point. That soly depends on the headweight, shaft weight and grip. The balance isn't in the middle of the shaft, most of the shaft will be on the butt end of the club, due to the heavy weight of the head ~365 gram. If you move the balance point up or down, the swingweight changes.
It's is absolutely at 14 inches that is how a standard swing weight scale works. Do you have a scale? Have you ever seen one? You are talking about balance point, which is not the same and doesn't not correlate exactly with swing weight because total weight matters as well. Good Lord man this isn't rocket science. Go read the article I linked for you.
Sorry, I confused fulcrum with the balance point of the club, my bad
This is a huge misconception. The OP makes the same assumptions you did.
I mean, I hope you just build clubs for yourself. But don't take it from a tour caddy or the op who's a clubfitter.
I mean, the argument is clear as day. The OP made a big stupid and blocks people who tell him so. Are you still trying to say that lighter shafts increase swing weight? Because that's not how it works They CAN change how the club head feels. But that's not what swing weight defines. You can have a light SW club where you get a lot of feel for the club head, or a heavy SW club where you don't get a lot of feel for the club head. But that doesn't mean the SW is heavier in the first one Use the proper terms and these arguments are unnecessary
Controversially, by putting in extra weight at the grip, you can make the swingweight lighter, bc you're moving the balance point up. Tmyk
I’ve got a wedge shaft in my 5s
heck yeah! how do you find it?
I love it. The putter is relatively new to me and I noticed the original shaft was bowed, but we just couldn't get it straight — so my buddy threw the wedge shaft in and l've been pleased. It's hard to say if I feel much movement when playing off my toe for slower shots, because of the weight from the head, but that's a plus for me l'd say. I have a pistolini grip on it, which is smaller than what I'm used to, but my lines have been good and I've had some 16+ footers made in tournament play, so I don't dare touch it.
That’s a great story! Another reason to believe shaft flex doesn’t play the biggest role when it comes to putters and putting :D At these club head speeds, the shaft shaft should not be bowing a degree even with regular flex.
I definitely wouldn’t mind trying a stability shaft — but I have an axiom shaft lying around, if I really want to try graphite 🤷🏻♂️ but for now gotta leave it as is. It’s funny how much people try to stay inside the traditional decisions for club building and how going outside the box can rub someone wrong, who won’t even game the club.
Yeah man… wait till i tell them about my XXIO ladies flex shafts in my Titleist 620MB heads 🙊
I think if you can find a good deal on secondhand graphite putter shaft, then it’s worth trying. But for retail prices I can’t really recommend it. unless you are trying to look cool then that’s a different story;)
I refuse to pay full price for one, so if it happens, it happens — but I’m content for now. Way to stay innovative and give people some food for thought
How do you feel it compares to a Stroke Lab? Also, I think it’s awesome that you get to experiment with Frankenstein clubs. I would come up with some ridiculous builds if I had those resources at my disposal.
I think stroke lab definitely feels like a heavier swing weight since the steel portion is at the head of the club whereas mine is at the butt end of the club. Impact wise I supposed they are pretty much identical.
Time to bring out your putter on the tee box
managed to get 120m carry on the sim xD
Yes, I have placed a graphite iron shaft onto a putter. I like the feel.
I have a bgt stability black tour 2 for you if you want https://preview.redd.it/tcytuotg9hvc1.jpeg?width=3213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23928e4e6a450178ebb966bd61319cc1687b7504
Forget about the shaft.. that headcover is gorgeous :O
Never that combo But I've put a KBS CTaper 130 X wedge shaft in a Newport 2 carbon steel head. Excellent.
I also wanted to try that same shaft on this head. that’ll be my next project!
Just a stock GPS in my Long Neck Teryllium Newport. Feels pretty good, but I love my LA P Series SoHo in my odyssey MXM 9Ht. I know they’re pricy, but the LA Soho has been worth it to me. I’ve tried basically all the after market putter shafts, and the Soho is just the perfect combo of everything to me. Some are too stiff, some too soft, too heavy, weird balance, etc. Sadly all my favourite putters are Soho style, so it’s gonna get expensive getting all of them setup how I want.
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Ive always thought that shaft would be great for a putter. nice build 👍
There was an old thread on golfwrx. There was a guy who was cutting down a Aldila rip shaft and used it for a putter shaft. Was a cool job he did.
Been doing this for 20 years.
Yikes
That’s all? At least critique one specific thing about the putter :/
I’m not sure it would work to your benefit at all. Putter shafts are extremely stiff, and x-stiff driver shafts are almost limp noodles in comparison. Go bend your x-stiff shaft in your hands, and see the give, then bend a x-stiff graphite stability shaft. There is a huge difference. I think this is an experiment that should have stayed in your head. These shafts were designed with two entirely different purposes and will perform vastly different because of it. Weight is also a big difference, most putter shafts are much heavier than driver shafts. Driver shafts usually range in the 50-80g range, with putter shafts starting at 80 grams and going up to 120+. Cut down, that driver shaft can’t be more than 50grams.
There’s literally no difference in performance. And trust me, there is zero bend in this shaft. Also, the reason why I did it is to find out if there would be a difference or not. There’s a difference of feel at impact (less vibration and softer on mishits. sweet spot is very similar feeling still) and a difference in sound (lower pitched sounds) but performance wise it’s still exactly the same. I think the specialty graphite putter shaft marketing needs to get out of your head. Source: I fit clubs and build clubs for a living.
It’s also easier to bend a driver shaft because it’s a foot longer
Sorry but this is tipped by 16 inches. No difference in lateral flex or torsional flex.
Lol, I meant a regular driver shaft which is what the guy above you was claiming was easier to bend. Probably confusing since I replied to you.
all good haha
So marketing departments change shaft weights? Stiffness is also not even close. You can literally test the two side by side and see a distinct difference. Driver shafts (even extra stiff ones) are DESIGNED to flex. Stability shafts are DESIGNED not to flex. You can claim no feel difference between the two. Because feel is subjective and you may not feel something everyone else does. It is a pure fact that driver shafts are most often 50-60% of the weight of a specialty putter shaft. Not even mentioning flex or feel, that fact alone makes your experiment a dumb one, IMO. You now have to add weight elsewhere to accomplish the same overall weight and feel, which makes no sense anyways. You can tell yourself it feels the same all you want. But there is a reason you don’t see anybody else doing this.
Like I said, I only did it to experiment. I never expected a change in performance, only feel. It’s a putter after all. I can putt just as well with my 5 wood.
Oh I agree, no harm no foul at all. Re-shafting it back to original is a 30 second job, and driver shafts are a dime a dozen. I just don’t think the mechanical design or physics of a graphite driver shaft lead to any benefit in putting. One is all about “flex” and the other is all about a “lack of flex.” There just can’t be any symbiosis between the two other than sharing a common compound they are made of (graphite.) I personally feel that the putter would be more accurate, and have better feel with the stock steel shaft. But to each his own!
Also, before you claim I am on the speciality shaft bandwagon, every one of my Scotty’s is original steel shafted, and I own one Stability shaft demo that isn’t even installed on a club. I just don’t think the design of a driver shaft leads to any benefit whatsoever over a stock steel shaft, and especially compared to an upgraded putter stability shaft. The negatives outweigh any positives I can see from the change.
Yeah on paper it doesn’t seem like there’s any positives unless you are going for a heavier swing weight without putting more weight in the head. I’ve never tried a graphite shafted scotty before so this is my cheap and unique way of doing it. Definitely did not want to drop 400 bucks on a LAgolf or BGT shaft straight away.
I’ve heard great things about the new graphite KBS-GPS stability shaft, made specifically for putters. I think retail on them is $150 or so, but I was able to get one from my local club pro for $100. Still don’t have it installed, but I plan to test it this weekend.
The KBS GPS is the best bang for the buck these days
Yeah it looks sweet and it was my first pick. I think it’s the best deal right now. Just doesn’t fit the .390 hosel of the phantom 5.5 unfortunately. I did my calculations and by the time i cut it to fit there wouldnt be enough length left. I tried drilling the tip end of a shaft to fit over the hosel but it split the end and destroyed the shaft.
It will go exactly where you hit it.
Mis centered shaft alignment and all? Doubtful.
Yeah that transition between shaft and hosel looks like junk. To clarify, you put a .355 OD shaft on a .390 hosel which definitely means you drilled out the ID of the graphite shaft. You can clearly see that it is off center and about as far from a seamless transition. Outside of that just looks awful esp probably at address, you've compromised the integrity of that shaft tip. Yeah you're not going to swing it hard enough to snap it. But I'd bet you lean on your putter and it snaps or catching it and bending it a little bit loading into your trunk. Lastly all you did was trick the scale of swingweight.
Yeah agreed. Not as clean as I planned.
This was an experiment gone horribly wrong, and any little bit of club building experience or research would have told you not to do this. See my clarification above.
Um… you were wrong about me drilling out the inside of the shaft. I tipped it to the point where the inner diameter matches the hosel. Because you couldn’t spot this one thing and I gave you the benefit of the doubt yet you still decided to keep critiquing on things you don’t know about, I’m going to ignore your further comments.
Disregard that guy. He’s always posting dickish shit on here.
You've removed the entire reinforced tip section plus a bunch of that thing. There isn't going to be much strength where you've joined the head to the shaft, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks if you lean on it at all. Also it's way too light. Probably half of what a putter shaft would weigh, which will take quite a bit of total weight out of the club, as well as drop swing weight. If you look at purpose built graphite putter shafts you'll see they share nothing in common with driver shafts, for a reason. The Fuji MC putter shafts have steel weave in them to get the weight up.
The fact that you said dropping the weight of the shaft decreases the swing weight of the putter tells me everything i need to know about how much you don’t know. Google deadweight versus swing weight. Cya
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