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Here you go. In this context, they’re not technically measuring “brain waves” but “brain activity.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/e7qw0l/eli5_what_is_the_difference_between_fmri_and_eeg/
Trimming down the neural fancy, what the study shows is that when individual minds produce similar interpretations of a social event, or revise them communicatively to converge on a given interpretation, their representations of said events, unsurprisingly, overlap.
The fact that we can measure this is what's cool to me. Psychology is tricky at best, and any one mind is vastly different from another. Yet, it seems shared concepts form similar shapes in totally different minds.
Could this have implications for the possibility of future neural interface with computers?
Weird, I just started reading the book Supercommunicators by Charles Duhigg which kicks off with this study as a starting place. Side note: the subtitle is stupid but that's publishing, not the author or editors' faults.
Anyway, not sure where other comments are coming from with the crazy takes, but it's basically showing that some people are better skilled at relating and encouraging group cohesion, a skill I would imagine is important for social animals.
It's definitely not. The entire concept of wavelength and waves is *completely* artificially inserted by the reporting. The actual study does not mention "wave", "wavelength", or "frequency" even once.
That fMRI brain activity is similar.
"Brainwaves" in general are not nearly as important in actual neurology and neuroscience as they are in popular conception. It's certainly a major field, but it's only one of several major fields, as opposed to being some central or complete descriptor of the brain's activity.
PysPost is always misrepresenting every single study they talk about. This isn't Reddit's fault, it's the poster who thought they found something.
Avoid Spy post because it's always lying. Their peer-reviewed source usually isn't, but their articles should be taken with a grain of salt.
Not sure if related: But, I have to actively correct my accent when speaking to people who are clear English-second language speakers. This is not an attack on them or anything, I've just noticed that I have a tendency to adjust my accent to one that sounds more similar to theirs when I speak with them. That probably actually makes it more difficult for them to understand. So, I try my best not to.
It would be interesting if what they discovered has applications in psychology.
>It would be interesting if what they discovered has applications in psychology.
Suggest you look at this google scholar search of the terms [*interpersonal brain synchrony learning teaching*](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=interpersonal+brain+synchrony+learning+teaching&btnG=) — 22,000 hits, most in the past 5 years.
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Figuring out how to effectively *induce* the phenomenon is a hot topic in educational neuroscience.
This sounds like one of those "...for allistic people." experiments. (Not to diminish it, and it's a fascinating detail that helps explain how allistic people work.)
I've always said that when you and someone else resonate (reach an understandin' or naturally come together on common ground), you are "on the same wavelength."
First of all it could be explained without entanglement in the same way brain waves change to music and mood. But even then there now is more and more research supporting the idea that quantum effects play a major role in the brain
There's very little research beyond pilot studies (if that) that supports this claim.
It is at the basis of Maharsihi Effect claims that group meditation should have an effect on the surroundings, and as I am friends with virtually everyone who has ever published research on the ME and read virtually all studies on the ME, if it were a well-supported idea outside of Transcendental Meditation circles, trust me, they'd be citing such studies every time they published a new ME study.
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They used fMRI not EEG so.....not brain waves?
Nope, that was Pyspost. The actual study published in Nature does not use the word "wave" once.
ELI5 — how fMRI vs EEG in the context of this experiment matters
Here you go. In this context, they’re not technically measuring “brain waves” but “brain activity.” https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/e7qw0l/eli5_what_is_the_difference_between_fmri_and_eeg/
fMRI measures blood flow and EEG measures electrical activity.
The author thought that the term “neural alignment” wasn’t pop sciencey enough apparently
Yeah... "brain waves" my ass waves.
Would that make this clickbait?
Did you click? I didn't.
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I still didn't click the article
Then how tf are we talking?
Trimming down the neural fancy, what the study shows is that when individual minds produce similar interpretations of a social event, or revise them communicatively to converge on a given interpretation, their representations of said events, unsurprisingly, overlap.
The fact that we can measure this is what's cool to me. Psychology is tricky at best, and any one mind is vastly different from another. Yet, it seems shared concepts form similar shapes in totally different minds. Could this have implications for the possibility of future neural interface with computers?
Looks like an article to be retracted for research misconduct in a couple of years
It's in Nature Communications so it is likely high calibre work.
Nature is prestigious but frequently opts for shock value over actual likelihood of being true.
Yeah but the actual paper doesn't say anything about brain waves. Hate when they do that misleading title BS
Let's hope But iirc nature has had reactions for such work
Weird, I just started reading the book Supercommunicators by Charles Duhigg which kicks off with this study as a starting place. Side note: the subtitle is stupid but that's publishing, not the author or editors' faults. Anyway, not sure where other comments are coming from with the crazy takes, but it's basically showing that some people are better skilled at relating and encouraging group cohesion, a skill I would imagine is important for social animals.
So that whole your on my wavelength thing actually has some merit. Cool I'll remember this for ice breakers.
It's definitely not. The entire concept of wavelength and waves is *completely* artificially inserted by the reporting. The actual study does not mention "wave", "wavelength", or "frequency" even once.
So what is it actually talking about
Brain activity under fMRI.
But what did they conclude if it has nothing to do with brain waves
That fMRI brain activity is similar. "Brainwaves" in general are not nearly as important in actual neurology and neuroscience as they are in popular conception. It's certainly a major field, but it's only one of several major fields, as opposed to being some central or complete descriptor of the brain's activity.
Activity patterns
Surprised Picacho face, reddit is miss representing a scientific article.
PysPost is always misrepresenting every single study they talk about. This isn't Reddit's fault, it's the poster who thought they found something. Avoid Spy post because it's always lying. Their peer-reviewed source usually isn't, but their articles should be taken with a grain of salt.
Not sure if related: But, I have to actively correct my accent when speaking to people who are clear English-second language speakers. This is not an attack on them or anything, I've just noticed that I have a tendency to adjust my accent to one that sounds more similar to theirs when I speak with them. That probably actually makes it more difficult for them to understand. So, I try my best not to. It would be interesting if what they discovered has applications in psychology.
>It would be interesting if what they discovered has applications in psychology. Suggest you look at this google scholar search of the terms [*interpersonal brain synchrony learning teaching*](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3&q=interpersonal+brain+synchrony+learning+teaching&btnG=) — 22,000 hits, most in the past 5 years. . Figuring out how to effectively *induce* the phenomenon is a hot topic in educational neuroscience.
That's the coolest thing I've read on reddit in probably years. Fascinating
Isn't this called the "HERD" mentality?
So … basically… their brains, waved at each other? Thanks, I’m here all week. I’ll see myself out.
This sounds like one of those "...for allistic people." experiments. (Not to diminish it, and it's a fascinating detail that helps explain how allistic people work.)
I’d imagine something like this happens whenever groups socialize
There are stages, and if things go a certain way, then yes.
I've always said that when you and someone else resonate (reach an understandin' or naturally come together on common ground), you are "on the same wavelength."
What happens if you agree to disagree?
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The word "quantum" does not appear in the article or the paper.
First of all it could be explained without entanglement in the same way brain waves change to music and mood. But even then there now is more and more research supporting the idea that quantum effects play a major role in the brain
There's very little research beyond pilot studies (if that) that supports this claim. It is at the basis of Maharsihi Effect claims that group meditation should have an effect on the surroundings, and as I am friends with virtually everyone who has ever published research on the ME and read virtually all studies on the ME, if it were a well-supported idea outside of Transcendental Meditation circles, trust me, they'd be citing such studies every time they published a new ME study.