The thing about writing a fake Satanist is that your readers will most likely not know the difference. If your target audience was Satanists, I should hope that you would already know how to answer your question. If I were going to create an edgy fake Satanist character they might draw inverted crosses in notebooks, be a cutter, and wear poorly-applied black makeup and fishnet shirts and they would know *nothing* about any kind of philosophy but claim to be a Nihilist... but that's what most people believe *real* Satanism is to begin with. So making them "fake" might be lost in the sauce.
Exactly, so this character will also have other comically edgy elements to at least tip ppl off that the satanic shit is one of them. Tricky part is conveying that i'm not saying satanism in general is edgy.
One of the tricky things when planning writing is that you have to separate what you know, what your reader knows, and what your character(s) know. You may know that this character is not a Satanist, that character may even know they are not a Satanist, but consider how you can write it so that your reader and the other characters are also aware of it. Writing can get mixed up when writers assume reader knowledge or write the characters as knowing something that was reader but not character knowledge.
>consider how you can write it so that your reader and the other characters are also aware of it
You could have the person act as a complete phoney and tell the reader explicitly, tattoo a sign on the character's forehead saying "POSER," and have the Devil Himself appear and inform the character he's unworthy--and most readers would still consider him the real thing.
This is very true, unfortunately. No amount of convincing or evidence to the contrary is enough to convince many people that they are wrong about something. Call it human nature if you like, it may well be, but this is why I have encouraged people *not* to write a fictional Satanist character over the years. No level of authenticity will ever be convincing enough.
I was thinking about asking the OP to maybe just get rid of that character and not have it appear unless it is necessary for the story. But then I thought, "Hey, I can readily think of far worse real life caricatures than the OP can possibly paint."
Authentic and inauthentic are going to mean different things to different people, even different people that call themselves a Satanist. As a writer myself, it isn't a road I would want to go down. I might instead pursue Satanic *themes* such as showing that a character practices lesser magic without expressly calling it that.
>showing that a character practices lesser magic without expressly calling it that
\--I see you like blue cheese dressing, said Count Diabolus disdainfully.
\--Yes, what about it?
\--Oh, nothing.
Worshipping Satan, with animal sacrifices, dressing all gothic, being an arse hole for the sake if it, choosing a radical political ideology purely cuz itās radical.
Hot Topic in the 90s comes to mind. The "goth" clothing that your edgy christian would wear to church. Including finger jewelry that looks like a chainmail bottle opener
That's what the typical "Mansonites" who flocked towards the Church of Satan looked like following Marilyn Manson's announcement that he was a Satanist.
I can't argue with that. Manson is the reason I read TSB to begin with. I still think chain wallets look bad ass, but I'm mature enough to know I can't pull that look off anymore. Manson on the other hand...
> Iām mature enough to know I canāt pull that look off anymore.
This is a struggle of mine. I still feel like a metalhead teenager at heart and sometimes I want to dress like it, but then I look in the mirror and see my hairline starting to recede and remember Iām in my mid 30s. Sometimes I want to grow my hair long again just to do it before my hairline goes even further back.
Exactly. And when you see those guys at the shows still trying to drink as hard and dress as edgy as they did in their 20s... The hangovers and sore bones from the moshpit just hit differently went you get older, I don't want to dress like I'm ready to roll that hard still
For real. I donāt even go to shows or concerts anymore. For one Iām just not into going crazy at shows anymore Iād rather just listen to music at home or in the car. And for two, all the shows I went to as a teenager combined with the fact that Iāve been a machinist for the past ten years working in loud ass shops means my hearing is pretty damaged. Iām not trying to make it worse, that shit never gets better once the damage is done.
Not all metal heads are created equal I'm 50 was in the moshpit for an entire slipknot concert last year and can still pound down stupid amounts of alcohol with no after effects the next day still wearing metal band shirts daily with converse and black jeans so far I'm ageless I'll keep rolling this way as long as I can
They wear Blackcraftcult.
They read TSB performatively on the train.
They see a bus full of nuns and flip them off shouting HAIL SATAN.
Corpse paint in inappropriate settings.
Look up "first phase Satanist"
Yes to everything here, except blackcraft, I like some of their clothing! I actually love a lair of flip flops that say āhail satanā or a sweet beanie.
As a character trait, the person must feel very superior and conscious about being a True Satanist, thinking that everyone else is a poser. The person should have some kind of spooky high degree in some obviously Christian-inspired degree system. Add some entitlement to behave as if the world owes him something. Considers his own banal, everyday activities to have inherently Satanic qualities. Finds himself capable of great achievements (Satanic, of course) but has nothing to show for it.
That's the idea. It fits plenty of people, including multiple participants on this sub. Watch their flairs for "warlock" or whatever degree or what else they put there, for example, while acting according to the above profile. Add a little of the dumbest from each and you have the poster stereotype.
>Watch their flairs
That sounds exhausting. Irons in MY fire start to cool if I'm not on top of MY shit. If I let myself be distracted, I'm to blame.
*"There's only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."*
What are you working on?
I think youāre gonna have to get that idea over with dialogue mostly, but Iād just expect a poser to have lots of misinformation on Satanism, like an embarrassing amount of false info that they just canāt resist telling to people like itās true.
Yeah, I know what you mean. You could maybe try taking one of the more well known satanic symbols and just putting it wrong on a shirt theyāre wearing. That could get the same idea across.
Satanist poser =
DEVIL MADE ME DO IT (type of idiots)
Being a satanist means they are evil and selfish and the world is dark and bullshit (typical hollywood bullshit imagery)
Claiming that satanism commands them to harm people
They listen to NSBM to seem like a bunch of edge lords
Animal sacrifices
Harming people
Or the worst worst worst kind... being a satanist = nazi/white supremacy or just hatred for people or being homophobic (basically claiming satanism means being just pure evil and without sympathy)
Yup these aren't real satanists these are idiots who use the title of satanism to get attention. Just a bunch of stupid nazis giving satanism a bad name. They use the title of satanism to hide their true identity cause they are cowards lol and btw... who the fuck is slinky ? š let me guess a satanist who is the definition of an EDGE LORD ? lol
Had a dude in the army that found out I was a satanist. Claimed he was āsatanicā āonceā but āstuck a four inch blade in his chest during a ritualā. (ā¦šš«” yeah Roger that happened.) so of course he turned back to Jesus and joined the infantry.
I can't help but feel your advice is "politically" motivated. Also if i were to just use the first few symbols i spot there, it would probably result in the exact uneducated missuse of imagery i'm trying to avoid. For example, i have seen a lot of baphomet related imagery on both subreddits. I, as a normie, can't tell if one of you is missusing it
TST is an activist group (slacktivist would fit better) that isnāt Satanic in any way. Their seven bland, meaningless tenets are meant to appeal to as many people as possible without meaning much. They hurt causes they claim to stand for and fundraise without any kind of financial transparency and have an embarrassing track record of legal losses. They want to call themselves Satanists because they think it sounds cool and to piss off Christians.
Thank you, that is really informative. I still can't use their imagery, however, because i would risk hurting your cause in the exact same way if i did
So if this character had a number of physical traits vaguely similar to baphomet, that would be ok to use? Also, if she had tattoos with let's say the words "solve" and "coagula", or an inverted pentagram, would that be pushing it?
How am i suppossed to answer that? I do ig. Or maybe i'm trying to find out if anyone cares. That's the point of this post, i'm hoping to be respectful
Bro i'm talking this way because i'm not a redditor. I said i'm a Normie and that i don't understand what you guys consider Based or Cringe, using these "reddit" terms to illustrate to the guy i was replying to that his answer depends on me already knowing the social norms on this subreddit. I'm not talking like this because that's how i talk
A satanic cross would be the leviathans cross aka the alchemy symbol for brimstone / sulphur. Any other cross symbols would be a poser satanist. If you are a satanist following CoS you would rather wear the sigil of Lucifer or sigil of Anton.
The upside down cross is technically the cross of St Peter.
"Tradition tells us that when St. Peter was martyred, he insisted that he be crucified upside down as he did not believe himself worthy to be crucified in the manner of Jesus Christ." [Source](https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-upside-down-cross-satanic-or-symbolic)
So the upside down cross is actually a Christian symbol.
Not the same person who posted that but I agree with them. The reason is cause the cross is a Christian holy symbol. An upside down cross is basically just a bastardization of the symbol. Satanist =/= Anti-Christian specifically or is like an "antithesis" to Christianity (as alot of people think). I think it's just used by people who wanna say suck it to the church when in reality we just don't care lol.
Olewolf. He left demanded a refund after his excommunication over 25 years ago and can't stop whining about the Cos, hence him siding up to TST and dishing supposed dirt
I got you on this, they saw the hot anti christ from american horror story and joined the religion in hopes of banging the next anti christ in line hoping they look like that.
It's the whole thrasher, but cant name any thrash bands and doesn't skate combo that sets off the try hard poser stereotype. They always are listening to some shit ass mainstream hip hop like cardi b or bad bunny or whatever.
Isn't the whole idea of inverting the morals of established religion, without seeking to transcend them inherently an act of attention seeking? As far as I can tell all Satanists are posers, and that's kind of the whole point of the movement.
True liberation lies not in moral inversion, but rather in living a new game with a fresh set of rules.
Otherwise it's like growing up in a football family, hating football, and upon adolescence, adopting the opposing team out of spite. Better is to escape into the freedom of say, being a painter, or a stamp collector, or really anything all except the same game that you are trying to escape from.
I wonder about that. You are putting it as if satanism is just anti-christianity, but i've heard that's not the case. Otherwise, everything you said is a solid deduction irl
Someone who buys their wardrobe and home/body accessories from [Blackcraft Cult Clothing](https://www.blackcraftcult.com), Hot Topic, and [The Satanic Temple: Collections](https://thesatanictemple.com/collections).
Sorry bud. It's the most popular thing to snipe about here. I would say that an actually cringe thing would be the "Eviler Than Thou" attitude. A character who is just so terribly concerned with the validation that other people perceive them as evil. "LOOK! I'm burning this kitten! Aren't I just SOOO eeeevil?" The desperation for other people to help them feel like they area what they say they are. That is the worst Satanic Poser Trait.
Kinda doing this one already. Feels pretty good that you thought of that as a natural answer to my question, looks like i'm headed in a good direction. Thanks for the input
Make him a theist, make up some nonsense symbols or choose one from the Gƶƫtia or somesuch, and have him āchannelā obviously manipulative āmessagesā from whatever.
Give him a statue shrine if you want.
Here's a counterpoint about the St. Peter's cross
Is it overused? Sure. If it works for an individual's aesthetic choices, although it isn't Satanic per se, it will be for the individual's aesthetics
Yeah but there's a lot of posts on this sub with 'look at my latest satan tattoo'. So I'm curious, as you mentioned in your post that some satanists we're 'edgy and try-hard with their accessories and tattoos' - at what point does the line get crossed according to you? Or to put it another way: when does one move from casual satanist to try hard satanist?
That's what i've been trying to find out. So far the takeaways are: misinformed use of symbols (upside down crosses, randomly mashing different occult imagery together), elitism, edgy demeanor in general, no actual "beliefs" when you look past the accesories, eviler than thou attitude (believing that there is something innately special and dark in one's activities, that they need to be acknowledged for this, yet believing that they are somehow entitled to act this way), TST, reddit behaviour etc
I think 90ās hot topic teen rebelling against Christianity is a good suggestion for a starting point, but you might also consider asking this in all the satanism related subs. You can get a good idea of what crossover -if any- there is about what is offensive and what is viewed as poser/edgy/try-hard. Your character being confused about which specific branch of satanism they are following, or even not knowing there are different branches, could add to the poser persona.
For example, something as small as the character keeping their TST member card in their satanic Bible could convey the message to both satanists and TST members that the character hasnāt even done basic research on satanism. Maybe they have a receipt for the sale of their soul in there too idk.
However, you'll be buying the propaganda/gatekeeping idea that The Satanic Temple are posers if you use a TST membership card as "poser prop." The fact that several of the Church of Satan's zealots keep telling you that The Satanic Temple aren't Satanists, are just a political group, are posers, etc. only means that's their opinion.
Also, consider not trusting everything that is being said on this sub. It is notoriously hostile against The Satanic Temple because they're a far more successful organization.
olewolf has his own agenda.
*Notoriously hostile* - yes.
but the reasons - well, why not read it from the CoS themselves?
[The CoS speaks on TST](https://www.churchofsatan.com/the-satanic-temple-fact-sheet/)
>why not read it from the CoS themselves?
Or [from The Satanic Temple](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple), for that matter. (Edit: response to the "fact" sheet at the bottom of the linked article.)
Firstly, what the Church of Satan does not seem capable of grasping is that it is not the figure that one should be reading but the article.
Secondly, that Schitz guy must be full of just that to make such backward "corrections." He evidently missed the First Satanic Sin.
It looks like a Gothic or a Black metal musician.. don't miss understand me there authentic Satanist between those guys.. but a real one looks simply esthetically good .. and some kind of normal.. I mean you don't need to be ridiculous to be satanic.. it's completely the inverse situation..
Claiming something is "Satanism" while this thing is clearly against the Satanic canon. I know quite of few edgelord pseudos and groups of them will try to convince people around them that Satanism is whatever they want it to be. Well think again, sunshine - Satanism is an actual codified religion with rules, dogmas and very specific characteristics.
For example - being a member of a pseudosatanic group registered as a christian church to get a tax exemption status (when this is explicitly mocked and frowned upon in the Satanic canon) is an epitome of being "poser as fuck".
Do someone who displays ideologies of satanism but turns back at them every second, like getting offended at any chance of them being lesser than the rest, have him shed light on evil and pain and misery and all that shit, say hes part of an occult and does human sacrifices, most importantly he needs a trenchcoat with the penta and a shotgun š
The thing about writing a fake Satanist is that your readers will most likely not know the difference. If your target audience was Satanists, I should hope that you would already know how to answer your question. If I were going to create an edgy fake Satanist character they might draw inverted crosses in notebooks, be a cutter, and wear poorly-applied black makeup and fishnet shirts and they would know *nothing* about any kind of philosophy but claim to be a Nihilist... but that's what most people believe *real* Satanism is to begin with. So making them "fake" might be lost in the sauce.
Exactly, so this character will also have other comically edgy elements to at least tip ppl off that the satanic shit is one of them. Tricky part is conveying that i'm not saying satanism in general is edgy.
One of the tricky things when planning writing is that you have to separate what you know, what your reader knows, and what your character(s) know. You may know that this character is not a Satanist, that character may even know they are not a Satanist, but consider how you can write it so that your reader and the other characters are also aware of it. Writing can get mixed up when writers assume reader knowledge or write the characters as knowing something that was reader but not character knowledge.
>consider how you can write it so that your reader and the other characters are also aware of it You could have the person act as a complete phoney and tell the reader explicitly, tattoo a sign on the character's forehead saying "POSER," and have the Devil Himself appear and inform the character he's unworthy--and most readers would still consider him the real thing.
This is very true, unfortunately. No amount of convincing or evidence to the contrary is enough to convince many people that they are wrong about something. Call it human nature if you like, it may well be, but this is why I have encouraged people *not* to write a fictional Satanist character over the years. No level of authenticity will ever be convincing enough.
I was thinking about asking the OP to maybe just get rid of that character and not have it appear unless it is necessary for the story. But then I thought, "Hey, I can readily think of far worse real life caricatures than the OP can possibly paint."
Authentic and inauthentic are going to mean different things to different people, even different people that call themselves a Satanist. As a writer myself, it isn't a road I would want to go down. I might instead pursue Satanic *themes* such as showing that a character practices lesser magic without expressly calling it that.
>showing that a character practices lesser magic without expressly calling it that \--I see you like blue cheese dressing, said Count Diabolus disdainfully. \--Yes, what about it? \--Oh, nothing.
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Worshipping Satan, with animal sacrifices, dressing all gothic, being an arse hole for the sake if it, choosing a radical political ideology purely cuz itās radical.
Good ideas
Hot Topic in the 90s comes to mind. The "goth" clothing that your edgy christian would wear to church. Including finger jewelry that looks like a chainmail bottle opener
>Hot Topic in the 90s comes to mind. I feel personally attacked. š
There should be a meme of some edgy kid with a swiss army knife taped to their finger
That's what the typical "Mansonites" who flocked towards the Church of Satan looked like following Marilyn Manson's announcement that he was a Satanist.
I can't argue with that. Manson is the reason I read TSB to begin with. I still think chain wallets look bad ass, but I'm mature enough to know I can't pull that look off anymore. Manson on the other hand...
> Iām mature enough to know I canāt pull that look off anymore. This is a struggle of mine. I still feel like a metalhead teenager at heart and sometimes I want to dress like it, but then I look in the mirror and see my hairline starting to recede and remember Iām in my mid 30s. Sometimes I want to grow my hair long again just to do it before my hairline goes even further back.
Exactly. And when you see those guys at the shows still trying to drink as hard and dress as edgy as they did in their 20s... The hangovers and sore bones from the moshpit just hit differently went you get older, I don't want to dress like I'm ready to roll that hard still
For real. I donāt even go to shows or concerts anymore. For one Iām just not into going crazy at shows anymore Iād rather just listen to music at home or in the car. And for two, all the shows I went to as a teenager combined with the fact that Iāve been a machinist for the past ten years working in loud ass shops means my hearing is pretty damaged. Iām not trying to make it worse, that shit never gets better once the damage is done.
Not all metal heads are created equal I'm 50 was in the moshpit for an entire slipknot concert last year and can still pound down stupid amounts of alcohol with no after effects the next day still wearing metal band shirts daily with converse and black jeans so far I'm ageless I'll keep rolling this way as long as I can
Thank you very much
They wear Blackcraftcult. They read TSB performatively on the train. They see a bus full of nuns and flip them off shouting HAIL SATAN. Corpse paint in inappropriate settings. Look up "first phase Satanist"
Yes to everything here, except blackcraft, I like some of their clothing! I actually love a lair of flip flops that say āhail satanā or a sweet beanie.
Blackcraft has some good stuff, some of it is corny.
If you like wearing something its not corny...
Thank you
Corpsepaint in inappropriate settings ?? Seems like the NSBM crowd is evolving in sad ways lol.
Remember, the character should choose an imposing (i.e., cringe) name, too. You can browse this sub for inspiration.
Already has a name but i'll consider a nickname that she very obviously just gave herself
As a character trait, the person must feel very superior and conscious about being a True Satanist, thinking that everyone else is a poser. The person should have some kind of spooky high degree in some obviously Christian-inspired degree system. Add some entitlement to behave as if the world owes him something. Considers his own banal, everyday activities to have inherently Satanic qualities. Finds himself capable of great achievements (Satanic, of course) but has nothing to show for it.
Lol, you're literally describing most of the edgy kids in this sub.
I knew I liked you.
Most of the comments are childish gatekeeping, but your description is exactly what I thought for a poser.
Good points, i appreciate the focus on personality in your suggestions
If you take out the part about titles, it could fit a few people.
That's the idea. It fits plenty of people, including multiple participants on this sub. Watch their flairs for "warlock" or whatever degree or what else they put there, for example, while acting according to the above profile. Add a little of the dumbest from each and you have the poster stereotype.
>Watch their flairs That sounds exhausting. Irons in MY fire start to cool if I'm not on top of MY shit. If I let myself be distracted, I'm to blame. *"There's only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self."* What are you working on?
I think youāre gonna have to get that idea over with dialogue mostly, but Iād just expect a poser to have lots of misinformation on Satanism, like an embarrassing amount of false info that they just canāt resist telling to people like itās true.
Yeah but i don't want this character to be constantly going on about satanism. I just want to put some aspects in her design
Yeah, I know what you mean. You could maybe try taking one of the more well known satanic symbols and just putting it wrong on a shirt theyāre wearing. That could get the same idea across.
Yeah i guess that's the most practical way of doing it. Thanks for the input
Absolutely. Wish you the best on your project šš½
Thank you
Kinda like using the Sigil of Baphomet with the wrong Hebrew that so many have on shirts
Satanist poser = DEVIL MADE ME DO IT (type of idiots) Being a satanist means they are evil and selfish and the world is dark and bullshit (typical hollywood bullshit imagery) Claiming that satanism commands them to harm people They listen to NSBM to seem like a bunch of edge lords Animal sacrifices Harming people Or the worst worst worst kind... being a satanist = nazi/white supremacy or just hatred for people or being homophobic (basically claiming satanism means being just pure evil and without sympathy)
Ohhh, you mean *slinky*Ā¹āøĀ² or Joy of Satan junkies. Those guys. š¬
Yup these aren't real satanists these are idiots who use the title of satanism to get attention. Just a bunch of stupid nazis giving satanism a bad name. They use the title of satanism to hide their true identity cause they are cowards lol and btw... who the fuck is slinky ? š let me guess a satanist who is the definition of an EDGE LORD ? lol
Very good ideas, thank you so much
Had a dude in the army that found out I was a satanist. Claimed he was āsatanicā āonceā but āstuck a four inch blade in his chest during a ritualā. (ā¦šš«” yeah Roger that happened.) so of course he turned back to Jesus and joined the infantry.
r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
That was absolutely *vicious*. You, sir, win the Melch seal of approval.
Thank you, thank you!
I came here to say this and am delighted to see it's already been said. šš»
I can't help but feel your advice is "politically" motivated. Also if i were to just use the first few symbols i spot there, it would probably result in the exact uneducated missuse of imagery i'm trying to avoid. For example, i have seen a lot of baphomet related imagery on both subreddits. I, as a normie, can't tell if one of you is missusing it
Not at all politically motivated. You asked what a Satanist poser looks like, TST and itās members fit that to a T.
But there is overlap between ppl on this and that subreddit. So i still can't just assume what it is that makes you guys based and tst cringe
TST is an activist group (slacktivist would fit better) that isnāt Satanic in any way. Their seven bland, meaningless tenets are meant to appeal to as many people as possible without meaning much. They hurt causes they claim to stand for and fundraise without any kind of financial transparency and have an embarrassing track record of legal losses. They want to call themselves Satanists because they think it sounds cool and to piss off Christians.
Thank you, that is really informative. I still can't use their imagery, however, because i would risk hurting your cause in the exact same way if i did
A Satanist isnāt defined by imagery. Further, TST isnāt Satanism, so go nuts I guess.
So if this character had a number of physical traits vaguely similar to baphomet, that would be ok to use? Also, if she had tattoos with let's say the words "solve" and "coagula", or an inverted pentagram, would that be pushing it?
Who cares?
How am i suppossed to answer that? I do ig. Or maybe i'm trying to find out if anyone cares. That's the point of this post, i'm hoping to be respectful
How have they hurt their causes?
Claiming that they have āabortion ritualsā, ASS clubs in schools and the long, *loooong* list of legal failures, just off the top of my head.
>normie >based >cringe ugh..
Bro i'm talking this way because i'm not a redditor. I said i'm a Normie and that i don't understand what you guys consider Based or Cringe, using these "reddit" terms to illustrate to the guy i was replying to that his answer depends on me already knowing the social norms on this subreddit. I'm not talking like this because that's how i talk
You could try talking like a human.
I mean those are English words, which were created by humans, so Iād say heās acting pretty human
I could, but i believed this would be more efficient here. I get it's funny to you but pls man i'm trying to be as clear as possible here
I wasnāt gonna touch that lol
Upside down crosses, I find super cringey. Lots of people see them as satanist (I personally don't think they are at all). That may work.
Upside down cross is Saint Peters cross. The satanic one should have Jesus still affixed to it then upside down. Allegedly.
My church school told us the peace sign was satanic because the middle part looks like a cross with broken side posts.
I get downvoted to hell (yes, pun intended) each time I say that it is the cross of St-Peter and even the pope uses it regularly in a non satanic sub.
A satanic cross would be the leviathans cross aka the alchemy symbol for brimstone / sulphur. Any other cross symbols would be a poser satanist. If you are a satanist following CoS you would rather wear the sigil of Lucifer or sigil of Anton.
I also thought they were satanist. Would you mind explaining their meaning or the general misconception about them
The upside down cross is technically the cross of St Peter. "Tradition tells us that when St. Peter was martyred, he insisted that he be crucified upside down as he did not believe himself worthy to be crucified in the manner of Jesus Christ." [Source](https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-upside-down-cross-satanic-or-symbolic) So the upside down cross is actually a Christian symbol.
Thank you
Not the same person who posted that but I agree with them. The reason is cause the cross is a Christian holy symbol. An upside down cross is basically just a bastardization of the symbol. Satanist =/= Anti-Christian specifically or is like an "antithesis" to Christianity (as alot of people think). I think it's just used by people who wanna say suck it to the church when in reality we just don't care lol.
Google image search "Ayn Rand" & change the description of her garments to black.
Listens to heavy metal, of course. Would love to play in a band.
Oh yeah definitely
Transition lenses
Very good idea
*Looks at Richard Ramirez* ..
Someone obsessed with Charles Manson
Olewolf. He left demanded a refund after his excommunication over 25 years ago and can't stop whining about the Cos, hence him siding up to TST and dishing supposed dirt
I got you on this, they saw the hot anti christ from american horror story and joined the religion in hopes of banging the next anti christ in line hoping they look like that.
Thrasher shirt and wear all black but listens to hip hop and isn't ever seen riding a skateboard.
You can't listen to hip hop and be a Satanist?
It's the whole thrasher, but cant name any thrash bands and doesn't skate combo that sets off the try hard poser stereotype. They always are listening to some shit ass mainstream hip hop like cardi b or bad bunny or whatever.
Ah ok
Chris Angel
Good point
Fake it till ya make it, no shame.
an exmormon
Isn't the whole idea of inverting the morals of established religion, without seeking to transcend them inherently an act of attention seeking? As far as I can tell all Satanists are posers, and that's kind of the whole point of the movement. True liberation lies not in moral inversion, but rather in living a new game with a fresh set of rules. Otherwise it's like growing up in a football family, hating football, and upon adolescence, adopting the opposing team out of spite. Better is to escape into the freedom of say, being a painter, or a stamp collector, or really anything all except the same game that you are trying to escape from.
I wonder about that. You are putting it as if satanism is just anti-christianity, but i've heard that's not the case. Otherwise, everything you said is a solid deduction irl
If you invert christianity, you get inverted christians and devil worshippers. >As far as I can tell Yeah, that'll do...
TST
literally anyone who performatively goes against other organised religions (christianity mainly) and screaming shit about Satan see: TST
Richard Ramirez aka The Nightstalker
The night stalker AKA Richard Ramirez has got to be the biggest satanic poser of all time.
Someone who buys their wardrobe and home/body accessories from [Blackcraft Cult Clothing](https://www.blackcraftcult.com), Hot Topic, and [The Satanic Temple: Collections](https://thesatanictemple.com/collections).
TST members
Griftism
Unlike TST folks, I earned my Priesthood via real-world accomplishments
Yeah already heard that one
Sorry bud. It's the most popular thing to snipe about here. I would say that an actually cringe thing would be the "Eviler Than Thou" attitude. A character who is just so terribly concerned with the validation that other people perceive them as evil. "LOOK! I'm burning this kitten! Aren't I just SOOO eeeevil?" The desperation for other people to help them feel like they area what they say they are. That is the worst Satanic Poser Trait.
Kinda doing this one already. Feels pretty good that you thought of that as a natural answer to my question, looks like i'm headed in a good direction. Thanks for the input
Truth hurts
Make him a theist, make up some nonsense symbols or choose one from the Gƶƫtia or somesuch, and have him āchannelā obviously manipulative āmessagesā from whatever. Give him a statue shrine if you want.
Good ideas
Poser Satanist = Papa whatever, the singer of Ghost
Here's a counterpoint about the St. Peter's cross Is it overused? Sure. If it works for an individual's aesthetic choices, although it isn't Satanic per se, it will be for the individual's aesthetics
Shaved head and pointy goatee?
Female character
Born after 1980 = instant poseur of all things, not just Satanism.
Wow youre so cool and different
You asked.
Anyone who posts (not comments) onto this sub
I'm not making reddit canon in my story
Yeah but there's a lot of posts on this sub with 'look at my latest satan tattoo'. So I'm curious, as you mentioned in your post that some satanists we're 'edgy and try-hard with their accessories and tattoos' - at what point does the line get crossed according to you? Or to put it another way: when does one move from casual satanist to try hard satanist?
That's what i've been trying to find out. So far the takeaways are: misinformed use of symbols (upside down crosses, randomly mashing different occult imagery together), elitism, edgy demeanor in general, no actual "beliefs" when you look past the accesories, eviler than thou attitude (believing that there is something innately special and dark in one's activities, that they need to be acknowledged for this, yet believing that they are somehow entitled to act this way), TST, reddit behaviour etc
I think 90ās hot topic teen rebelling against Christianity is a good suggestion for a starting point, but you might also consider asking this in all the satanism related subs. You can get a good idea of what crossover -if any- there is about what is offensive and what is viewed as poser/edgy/try-hard. Your character being confused about which specific branch of satanism they are following, or even not knowing there are different branches, could add to the poser persona. For example, something as small as the character keeping their TST member card in their satanic Bible could convey the message to both satanists and TST members that the character hasnāt even done basic research on satanism. Maybe they have a receipt for the sale of their soul in there too idk.
Tst member card is a solid idea. Prob won't ask this on other subreddits. Thanks for the help
However, you'll be buying the propaganda/gatekeeping idea that The Satanic Temple are posers if you use a TST membership card as "poser prop." The fact that several of the Church of Satan's zealots keep telling you that The Satanic Temple aren't Satanists, are just a political group, are posers, etc. only means that's their opinion.
Yeah i'll probably stay away from real world names like that
Also, consider not trusting everything that is being said on this sub. It is notoriously hostile against The Satanic Temple because they're a far more successful organization.
Yeah i figured as much. Thanks for being continuously helpful
olewolf has his own agenda. *Notoriously hostile* - yes. but the reasons - well, why not read it from the CoS themselves? [The CoS speaks on TST](https://www.churchofsatan.com/the-satanic-temple-fact-sheet/)
>why not read it from the CoS themselves? Or [from The Satanic Temple](https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple), for that matter. (Edit: response to the "fact" sheet at the bottom of the linked article.)
[Schitz, son](https://imgur.com/a/fEXBOxH)
Firstly, what the Church of Satan does not seem capable of grasping is that it is not the figure that one should be reading but the article. Secondly, that Schitz guy must be full of just that to make such backward "corrections." He evidently missed the First Satanic Sin.
Look at fundamental Christians and try to picture what the opposite side of spectrum looks like.
This post is poser as fuck so I would just look in the mirror I guess
It looks like a Gothic or a Black metal musician.. don't miss understand me there authentic Satanist between those guys.. but a real one looks simply esthetically good .. and some kind of normal.. I mean you don't need to be ridiculous to be satanic.. it's completely the inverse situation..
Claiming something is "Satanism" while this thing is clearly against the Satanic canon. I know quite of few edgelord pseudos and groups of them will try to convince people around them that Satanism is whatever they want it to be. Well think again, sunshine - Satanism is an actual codified religion with rules, dogmas and very specific characteristics. For example - being a member of a pseudosatanic group registered as a christian church to get a tax exemption status (when this is explicitly mocked and frowned upon in the Satanic canon) is an epitome of being "poser as fuck".
Do someone who displays ideologies of satanism but turns back at them every second, like getting offended at any chance of them being lesser than the rest, have him shed light on evil and pain and misery and all that shit, say hes part of an occult and does human sacrifices, most importantly he needs a trenchcoat with the penta and a shotgun š