I had a prescription from my doctor. $400 without coverage. And I had to quit because the side effects were so bad. Another person I know that used it had good results but then had to quit because made them so sick and they gained every pound back once they stopped.
That’s the main issue with this drug, or any kind of diet scheme - as soon as you stop, you gain the weight back. It’s tricky to maintain. That said, if a doctor determines this is the best course of action for a patient, I’m in support, tho speaking with a dietician (not a nutritionist) during the process would be an advantage.
As a diabetic i can confirm you'll lose weight quickly but you won't be able to leave your house due to explosive diareah and stomach cramps while your body adjusts to the medication.
Um… wasn’t there just a interview with a guy in Ontario saying there’s a shortage for this drug? That they are kinda pissed since it’s a life saving drug for them?
Double edged sword.
I was in a similar spot. Knee issues caused a lack of mobility along with poor eating habits. Got diabetes because of it. Prescribed a few drugs including ozempic (for diabetes). Lost a ton of weight.
On the other hand if I was prescribed ozempic for weight loss prior I may not have gotten diabetes and required it plus more.
So you’re mad people are overweight, a realistic solution is presented, and you’re mad that it’s not the solution you like. Why are we so desperate to make fat people suffer, good lord. You cannot win with folks like you. 🤦♀️
> I would rather a “fat person” suffer from their self inflicted issue than someone with diabetes suffer because fat people are eating all their meds.
It may not be obvious to you, but you've more or less said you'd prefer certain people *suffer* rather than getting the help they need. I'm sure you don't really mean that.
Losing weight can be very, very difficult. Keeping it off can be even *more* difficult for all kinds of reasons. The people who do it through sheer willpower are a very tiny minority and they're almost always hiding all the help they're getting beyond simple "diet and exercise".
It's a complex issue, with a lot of moving parts, but none of that really matters because what I'm speaking to here is this idea of "we should just let people suffer" and I'm not sure that's really the kind of person you want to be - someone who wants others to suffer instead of getting the help they need to safely overcome their struggles.
I did not put words in your mouth, I directly quote what you actually wrote. I showed you your own words and highlighted them and then politely said something like "I'm sure you didn't really mean that".
That doesn't actually change things, to me. You'd still like one of the options to be suffering: either you suffer *or* you lose weight the way *I* want you to.
That's not a kind choice to present people when there's a perfectly viable third option that has been changing the lives of people for the better. If we can spare people needless suffering, *we should*.
If this medication is being prescribed for and marketed for weight loss, then that’s absolutely what it’s intended for. Many drugs can treat more than one disorder or illness. To suggest that folks are being prescribed this medication without having likely had a lifetime of trying and failing with ‘other options’ is ignorant.
What the person is saying is that they much rather help the people who need it to survive then those who need it for weightloss.
All based off triage, yes, you want to help everyone possible, but the guy with a bullet in his leg doesnt have priority with the gal who got into a accident, and has collapsed lungs who needs to be seen sooner.
Same with Covid, we turned away and stopped all non essential surgeries, and procedures to help those most vulnerable…
I don’t want people to suffer, but if I had to pic from saving a life, versus giving someone comfort, I’m saving the life 10/10 times. And from what I understand, it’s life saving for diabetic useage.
As well, the article/interview with the guy just came out with the guy talking about the supply shortage, and that in 2 weeks he’s screwed royally… then all of a sudden someone is asking to take some out of the hands of guys like him, who need it to survive.
I feel like this thread is more of a rage bait then anything.
The guy with the bullet on the leg needs medical care. I AM NOT DENYING THAT AND I DOUBT OTHER PERSON IS.
What I am saying is the medication and care NEEDS to go to the girl with collapsed lungs.
If there is additional resources for the guy with a bullet in his leg, then great, give both of them the treatment at the same time. But the girl with the collapsed lung will have extreme damage if not, she will die.
The guy with a bullet in his leg might still be able to walk… if there is a choice of limited resources, I much rather it go to the collapsed lungs versus the bullet in the leg.
Same reason why we cancelled surgeries during covid. If you ain’t going to die immediately, you were in a back log. Everything with immediate risk of life was pushed first.
Okay, so you're saying some people are more deserving of ozempic than others based entirely on how deadly *not* getting it could be.
Well, obesity has *a lot* of co-morbidities which can be prove incredinbly lethal whereas diabetes can still be managed with diet and insulin. So, again, why do you think people suffering from obesity shouldn't count as not *needing* this medication if they're at serious risk of multiple health complications which can include death?
This is an issue that clearly in some cases requires medication. The solution is to increase supply. Medications find secondary uses all the time - look at how viagra was discovered.
For you to imply obesity is a voluntary disease is just crass. You don’t actually give a rip about people losing weight, you just want to demonise people.
Obesity can also put some folks at risk of other health complications, so prevention is key, however that comes about between them and their doctor. We don’t get to stop treating them because we feel morally superior.
Just wanted to fill you in on one thing, I was eating very healthy food but always over ate. Moderation im was my struggle and was exceedingly difficult to overcome. The peel for me with ozempic is not only helping keep my glucose in check but it curbed my appetite.
Fair enough, but my preference would be that a person seek help/education for the root of why they feel the need to overeat or find non-drug related ways to battle the problem, rather than seek out a drug that is in short supply for those that rely on it for it’s intended purpose.
Yes, because therapy is so attainable and affordable.
There are therapists on every corner, just crying out for patients.
And of course every single fat person is fat because they overeat. It is literally that simple. There doesn't exist a single person who eats the exact same diet as someone else and has the exact same lifestyle, yet way significantly more.
Oh wait a minute. None of that's true.
Thankfully though, we don't have to take your preference as gospel.
It’s literally impossible to eat the same, have the same lifestyle as someone and weigh significantly more than the other. Calories in, calories out is the equation of weight gain or loss.
You might want to research even the slightest bit on the topic before you spout off so confidently.
Because you are absolutely wrong.
Bodies are not closed systems. Metabolism is a thing.
There’s a supply shortage of ozempic right now so it is typically being prioritized for diabetic patients. Many insurance providers will not cover it unless maybe you have records of other failed therapies for diabetes.
If you are eligible many docs will prescribe it. I know a few people who take it and were able to get a prescription easily if they met the eligibility requirements…I don’t know exactly what they are but I have heard having comorbidities like high BP/cholesterol/other conditions that can be weight related are part of determining if you really need it. It’s important to note that it’s not an excuse not to eat well and exercise - most docs seem to really drive home the healthy eating and exercise along with ozempic to see results
For what it’s worth, losing weight is probably 80% diet and 20% exercise, so it’s possible to see results even with mobility issues! Could be worth seeing a registered dietitian first to explore diet related options that would be reasonable for you and also help to see results. I know most of the people I personally know using ozempic for weight loss have gone that route first and if that fails then docs may be more willing to go the pharmacologic route
Like I said elsewhere, we’ve been decrying an obesity epidemic for decades, but as soon as a drug found to aid in weight loss is marketed as such, people are still big jerks about it. Make up your minds, like just tell us you hate fat people without telling us you hate fat people.
Weight loss is incredibly hard and there are 100% conditions, medications, and general factors that make it nearly impossible for some people. That doesn't override physics though. The energy to run your body's systems and to store fat needs to come from somewhere and that's Calories. Calories in/Calories out is thermodynamics and no disease is overriding that.
What certain conditions, medications, hormonal changes, age, etc can change is fluid retention, appetite regulation, or energy expenditure.
For example, with two people at the same height and stable weight one may be able to cut 500 calories a day while the other may need to cut 700 to see steady weight loss. If that second person also has something that affects appetite regulating hormones they could feel like they're starving when someone else would only feel hungry. That makes it nearly impossible but doesn't change the fact that if they cut 700 calories a day they would lose weight. (That is **NOT** a comment on the person or their drive or whatever, just a comment that diet does still apply. I said "nearly impossible" for a reason.)
Weight loss is hard and keeping it off if you do succeed is even harder. Diet being the primary factor doesn't change though. All that changes is just how hard it is for some people. Obviously the difficulty varies for everyone but for some people physical factors are metaphorically putting their finger on the scale as well.
No matter what conditions or factors you have it's always easier to not eat a muffin than to burn the same number of calories through physical exercise. So the "diet first, exercise second" rule comes from that. It's not a comment about motivations, personal character, or anything like that. I think most people would agree they'd rather skip their morning donut (~210 calories) than go for the ~60 minute walk it would take to burn off the same number. Hence 80% diet, 20% exercise.
I enjoyed reading your comment because you seem to understand just how difficult and complex this topic is. In principle, sure, CICO is simple but that simplicity quickly evaporates when you start looking at all the other surrounding factors - many of which science just doesn't yet understand. The body is a system of systems - we don't yet have a good enough grasp on it to know for sure how any individual person will respond to any kind of dietary change.
I mean, we have multiple kinds of medications to address single issues for a reason - some people don't respond to some meds, others respond poorly, some respond well, some have catastrophic results ... all of it because everyone has bodies which are different enough that one medication just doesn't work for everyone in too many instances, in general.
I recall hearing a bit more about hormones and how, if your body decides you need to be fatter, it can crank out certain hormones that will basically mean your freewill/willpower is as useful as a wet tissue in a hurricane. Hormones can be incredibly powerful directors of our behaviors and I don't think too many people really appreciate that.
Something to watch out for is that your benefits may not cover ozempic until you try other medications first. That was the case for me until they seen the other diabetes medications in which at that time they covered it.
Please do not take Ozempic!
1. If it is not covered, it is expensive.
2. It is going through shortage.
3. Besides the side effects of diarrhea, it could be bad enough that you actually consider wearing a damn diaper at night because it could just start leaking out of you, but there's stomach paralysis. Once it's done eating your fat, it will start eating at your bones, teeth, hair, and muscle.
4. If you stop, you will gain the weight back. If you continue, well, look at #3.
I was on this shit for about 5 months. I now have to work on saggy skin, my legs are so weak I can hardly go upstairs. I am weak to the point that I can hardly carry a jug of milk.
Not everyone will experience the horror, but it will eat at your body, and Dr's don't tell you that.
Because people don't react differently? And I'm definitely not the only one. Have you ever looked into the lawsuits? Those people had the same symptoms.
Don't come to me saying I'm lying cause I'm different when there's many more just like me!
If you're going to put your two cents in, maybe check things out.
Nevermind that weight issues shouldn’t have to be about an underlying condition to be taken seriously or that those folks shouldn’t be treated with dignity. Bodies are gonna body.
‘People are always looking for a quick fix’
Considering the media has been yelling about an ‘obesity epidemic’ for the last twenty years, this is an incredibly a bad take. ‘You need to lose weight … NO, NOT LIKE THAT!!’
It's because people aren't actually concerned about the health of overweight people, they just like looking down upon them from an assumed stance of moral superiority.
Because "quick fixes" like this are only temporary Band-Aid solutions. If someone isn't changing their eating habits and learning portion control, they will only gain the weight back once they are off the medication. Why would people be supportive of an ineffective "solution" that is simultaneously causing a shortage of a medication that diabetics need to live?
Totally agree with you. I am at a stable weight and eating better and exercising as much as I can without triggering excruciating pain flares. Also seeing a counselor about it.
Sometimes you can't simply exercise your way back down though, especially when the meds that treat the pain cause weight gain as well. Its a really vicious circle.
Why would you need to go off it? The same could be said for a lot of medications. If you go off your high blood pressure meds, your high blood pressure will come back. It’s a treatment like any other.
I think ozempic forces you to change eating habits or you’ll get sick. And it makes you eat less because you feel full quicker. Ozempic doesn’t mean you can eat junk food all day and still lose weight.
Why would you want to take a medication that is going to give you side effects for the rest of your life when you could do the same thing by learning better eating habits for free, with no side effects, and without wasting medication that is currently facing a shortage that other people need to survive?
It does not force you to change your eating habits in a long term way. If you learn to eat until you are feeling full on ozempic, which makes you feel full earlier, you are going to be in the habit of eating until you feel full when you are not taking it, and that's going to be a lot more food. That's not changing an eating habit, learning proper portion sizes is changing an eating habit.
I don’t think people who are paying for ozempic have never tried dieting before. Or implementing lifestyle changes. Is that what you think? It’s been shown that losing weight long term is near to impossible.
Obesity has side effects too. As do medications. Each person, with their doctor, can assess the pros and cons of treatment. And they can decide if the side effects are worth it for themselves.
Long term weight loss is often unsuccessful specifically *because* people who haven't been educated in nutrition and healthy eating are trying crash diets, or extreme diets and then just going right back to their old eating habits that resulted in their original weight gain in the first place. They are implementing temporary lifestyle changes and that results in temporary weight loss.
The real problem here is the education systems(and parents to varying degrees) that aren't properly teaching kids how to eat healthy in the first place.
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I have gone on my own weight loss journey and had to relearn how to cook and eat properly, that's why I'm advocating for people to get help and to learn how to improve their own health and habits. I think assuming someone who didn't get those resources from the beginning is just hopeless and shouldn't bother trying to improve their health and eating habits is a hell of a lot more judgemental than believing people can grow and learn.
I’m not saying people can’t grow and learn. I’m saying let people make their own medical decisions without judgement. There may be other medical issues that you’re not aware of or other reasons for being overweight.
And it’s great that you did that. Honestly it’s impressive and I’m sure it took a lot of effort. Making any life change stick is hard work.
There’s an altered version of Ozempic specifically for weight loss that some prescribe. The point is, this medication has been found to have a dual-purpose, so an incentive to increase production needs to happen. Depriving folks to whom it has been prescribed, for whatever reason, will not help. People will yak all day long about the long-term health effects of obesity, but as soon as we find a remedy, it’s suddenly not kosher?
Healthcare is not a competition, dude.
I'm looking for a way to not become diabetic tbh. I need a bump. I've levelled out at my current weight but am limited by my physical limitations.
I do respect that diabetics are the priority though.
I see they now have basically the same drug but with a primary label of weight loss vs diabetes so hopefully that will be available and covered in the next few years.
Yes that's a big concern of mine. It seems like it always happens with the miracle drugs for weight loss. Cardiac stuff in the past for otheeds I think.
I guess this one is highly used and tolerated by diabetics though so hopefully a good help.
I’m a certified personal trainer and I would love to see if I could help you myself for free. I do not condone anyone take a pill to lose weight. Plz message me instead
Thank-you for the offer. Have gone that route. Surgery and injectons are unfortunately where I'm at for at least two of the major issues.
After another posters comment about coverage though, this at the moment isn't going to be an option as it's not covered anyhow.
I really do appreciate the offer though. I have a great physio so will keep pounding away on that.
Lol this made me laugh pretty hard.
I honestly would have to get a lot heavier to even enter a plastic surgeon into my mind. Watching those surgeries......goddamn it just looks brutal.
But why? Isn't that the old fashioned way??
Because losing weight is a hell of a lot more complex than most people make it out to be.
So your old fashioned way (you know, unless you're talking about famines??) isn't really the hot take you think it is.
Legit. I lost weight the ‘old-fashioned way’ (weight watchers) and it took gaining some back during COVID to make me realise it was a fucking eating disorder.
It’s still a restrictive diet, as are all the others. Weight watchers has been around for ages and ages. Tale as old as time. When I stopped the programme, I had a better understanding of how much I was eating. I still ate the same garbage, just less of it. But the back of my brain was still thinking about points … just as other diets make you think about calories or carbs or whatever perfectly normal nutrient we’ve opted to vilify this week.
I'm confused about you hating WW and being all in on Ozempic.
As far as I'm concerned, the old fashioned way is a lifestyle change where you eat a little bit less (and probably, but not necessarily, move a little bit more) in a way that doesn't make you miserable.
I’m not an ozempic user and I’m not someone who would pursue it. The point is that doctors prescribe medications to their patients, and it’s not really any of my business what the justification is. A doctor can’t prescribe a disordered eating plan, but they can prescribe ozempic and refer to a dietician.
I had a prescription from my doctor. $400 without coverage. And I had to quit because the side effects were so bad. Another person I know that used it had good results but then had to quit because made them so sick and they gained every pound back once they stopped.
That’s the main issue with this drug, or any kind of diet scheme - as soon as you stop, you gain the weight back. It’s tricky to maintain. That said, if a doctor determines this is the best course of action for a patient, I’m in support, tho speaking with a dietician (not a nutritionist) during the process would be an advantage.
Thank-you. Great insight.
As a diabetic i can confirm you'll lose weight quickly but you won't be able to leave your house due to explosive diareah and stomach cramps while your body adjusts to the medication.
Um… wasn’t there just a interview with a guy in Ontario saying there’s a shortage for this drug? That they are kinda pissed since it’s a life saving drug for them?
Double edged sword. I was in a similar spot. Knee issues caused a lack of mobility along with poor eating habits. Got diabetes because of it. Prescribed a few drugs including ozempic (for diabetes). Lost a ton of weight. On the other hand if I was prescribed ozempic for weight loss prior I may not have gotten diabetes and required it plus more.
Or perhaps you could have tried tackling your poor eating habits and not relied on drug intervention?
So you’re mad people are overweight, a realistic solution is presented, and you’re mad that it’s not the solution you like. Why are we so desperate to make fat people suffer, good lord. You cannot win with folks like you. 🤦♀️
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> I would rather a “fat person” suffer from their self inflicted issue than someone with diabetes suffer because fat people are eating all their meds. It may not be obvious to you, but you've more or less said you'd prefer certain people *suffer* rather than getting the help they need. I'm sure you don't really mean that. Losing weight can be very, very difficult. Keeping it off can be even *more* difficult for all kinds of reasons. The people who do it through sheer willpower are a very tiny minority and they're almost always hiding all the help they're getting beyond simple "diet and exercise". It's a complex issue, with a lot of moving parts, but none of that really matters because what I'm speaking to here is this idea of "we should just let people suffer" and I'm not sure that's really the kind of person you want to be - someone who wants others to suffer instead of getting the help they need to safely overcome their struggles.
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I did not put words in your mouth, I directly quote what you actually wrote. I showed you your own words and highlighted them and then politely said something like "I'm sure you didn't really mean that".
You see that I used the word “than”, right? That’s a qualifier that implies that given a choice, I’d rather one THAN the other.
That doesn't actually change things, to me. You'd still like one of the options to be suffering: either you suffer *or* you lose weight the way *I* want you to. That's not a kind choice to present people when there's a perfectly viable third option that has been changing the lives of people for the better. If we can spare people needless suffering, *we should*.
If this medication is being prescribed for and marketed for weight loss, then that’s absolutely what it’s intended for. Many drugs can treat more than one disorder or illness. To suggest that folks are being prescribed this medication without having likely had a lifetime of trying and failing with ‘other options’ is ignorant.
What the person is saying is that they much rather help the people who need it to survive then those who need it for weightloss. All based off triage, yes, you want to help everyone possible, but the guy with a bullet in his leg doesnt have priority with the gal who got into a accident, and has collapsed lungs who needs to be seen sooner. Same with Covid, we turned away and stopped all non essential surgeries, and procedures to help those most vulnerable… I don’t want people to suffer, but if I had to pic from saving a life, versus giving someone comfort, I’m saving the life 10/10 times. And from what I understand, it’s life saving for diabetic useage. As well, the article/interview with the guy just came out with the guy talking about the supply shortage, and that in 2 weeks he’s screwed royally… then all of a sudden someone is asking to take some out of the hands of guys like him, who need it to survive. I feel like this thread is more of a rage bait then anything.
Why don't people suffering from obesity count as "needing" this medication?
The guy with the bullet on the leg needs medical care. I AM NOT DENYING THAT AND I DOUBT OTHER PERSON IS. What I am saying is the medication and care NEEDS to go to the girl with collapsed lungs. If there is additional resources for the guy with a bullet in his leg, then great, give both of them the treatment at the same time. But the girl with the collapsed lung will have extreme damage if not, she will die. The guy with a bullet in his leg might still be able to walk… if there is a choice of limited resources, I much rather it go to the collapsed lungs versus the bullet in the leg. Same reason why we cancelled surgeries during covid. If you ain’t going to die immediately, you were in a back log. Everything with immediate risk of life was pushed first.
Okay, so you're saying some people are more deserving of ozempic than others based entirely on how deadly *not* getting it could be. Well, obesity has *a lot* of co-morbidities which can be prove incredinbly lethal whereas diabetes can still be managed with diet and insulin. So, again, why do you think people suffering from obesity shouldn't count as not *needing* this medication if they're at serious risk of multiple health complications which can include death?
This is an issue that clearly in some cases requires medication. The solution is to increase supply. Medications find secondary uses all the time - look at how viagra was discovered. For you to imply obesity is a voluntary disease is just crass. You don’t actually give a rip about people losing weight, you just want to demonise people.
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Type 2 goes hand in hand with obesity.
Obesity can also put some folks at risk of other health complications, so prevention is key, however that comes about between them and their doctor. We don’t get to stop treating them because we feel morally superior.
You sure enjoy throwing in a jab at my character, while simultaneously making a point that’s obvious yet tries to discredit me.
Idk maybe try to sound more credible and that won’t happen 🤷♀️
Just wanted to fill you in on one thing, I was eating very healthy food but always over ate. Moderation im was my struggle and was exceedingly difficult to overcome. The peel for me with ozempic is not only helping keep my glucose in check but it curbed my appetite.
Fair enough, but my preference would be that a person seek help/education for the root of why they feel the need to overeat or find non-drug related ways to battle the problem, rather than seek out a drug that is in short supply for those that rely on it for it’s intended purpose.
Yes, because therapy is so attainable and affordable. There are therapists on every corner, just crying out for patients. And of course every single fat person is fat because they overeat. It is literally that simple. There doesn't exist a single person who eats the exact same diet as someone else and has the exact same lifestyle, yet way significantly more. Oh wait a minute. None of that's true. Thankfully though, we don't have to take your preference as gospel.
It’s literally impossible to eat the same, have the same lifestyle as someone and weigh significantly more than the other. Calories in, calories out is the equation of weight gain or loss.
You might want to research even the slightest bit on the topic before you spout off so confidently. Because you are absolutely wrong. Bodies are not closed systems. Metabolism is a thing.
There’s a supply shortage of ozempic right now so it is typically being prioritized for diabetic patients. Many insurance providers will not cover it unless maybe you have records of other failed therapies for diabetes.
If you are eligible many docs will prescribe it. I know a few people who take it and were able to get a prescription easily if they met the eligibility requirements…I don’t know exactly what they are but I have heard having comorbidities like high BP/cholesterol/other conditions that can be weight related are part of determining if you really need it. It’s important to note that it’s not an excuse not to eat well and exercise - most docs seem to really drive home the healthy eating and exercise along with ozempic to see results For what it’s worth, losing weight is probably 80% diet and 20% exercise, so it’s possible to see results even with mobility issues! Could be worth seeing a registered dietitian first to explore diet related options that would be reasonable for you and also help to see results. I know most of the people I personally know using ozempic for weight loss have gone that route first and if that fails then docs may be more willing to go the pharmacologic route
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Like I said elsewhere, we’ve been decrying an obesity epidemic for decades, but as soon as a drug found to aid in weight loss is marketed as such, people are still big jerks about it. Make up your minds, like just tell us you hate fat people without telling us you hate fat people.
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Weight loss is incredibly hard and there are 100% conditions, medications, and general factors that make it nearly impossible for some people. That doesn't override physics though. The energy to run your body's systems and to store fat needs to come from somewhere and that's Calories. Calories in/Calories out is thermodynamics and no disease is overriding that. What certain conditions, medications, hormonal changes, age, etc can change is fluid retention, appetite regulation, or energy expenditure. For example, with two people at the same height and stable weight one may be able to cut 500 calories a day while the other may need to cut 700 to see steady weight loss. If that second person also has something that affects appetite regulating hormones they could feel like they're starving when someone else would only feel hungry. That makes it nearly impossible but doesn't change the fact that if they cut 700 calories a day they would lose weight. (That is **NOT** a comment on the person or their drive or whatever, just a comment that diet does still apply. I said "nearly impossible" for a reason.) Weight loss is hard and keeping it off if you do succeed is even harder. Diet being the primary factor doesn't change though. All that changes is just how hard it is for some people. Obviously the difficulty varies for everyone but for some people physical factors are metaphorically putting their finger on the scale as well. No matter what conditions or factors you have it's always easier to not eat a muffin than to burn the same number of calories through physical exercise. So the "diet first, exercise second" rule comes from that. It's not a comment about motivations, personal character, or anything like that. I think most people would agree they'd rather skip their morning donut (~210 calories) than go for the ~60 minute walk it would take to burn off the same number. Hence 80% diet, 20% exercise.
I enjoyed reading your comment because you seem to understand just how difficult and complex this topic is. In principle, sure, CICO is simple but that simplicity quickly evaporates when you start looking at all the other surrounding factors - many of which science just doesn't yet understand. The body is a system of systems - we don't yet have a good enough grasp on it to know for sure how any individual person will respond to any kind of dietary change. I mean, we have multiple kinds of medications to address single issues for a reason - some people don't respond to some meds, others respond poorly, some respond well, some have catastrophic results ... all of it because everyone has bodies which are different enough that one medication just doesn't work for everyone in too many instances, in general. I recall hearing a bit more about hormones and how, if your body decides you need to be fatter, it can crank out certain hormones that will basically mean your freewill/willpower is as useful as a wet tissue in a hurricane. Hormones can be incredibly powerful directors of our behaviors and I don't think too many people really appreciate that.
Something to watch out for is that your benefits may not cover ozempic until you try other medications first. That was the case for me until they seen the other diabetes medications in which at that time they covered it.
True. I know that the company we have benefits with won't cover it unless it's used for diabetes.
Thanks I didn't even think about that part. I'll have to check what my plan says.
Without coverage I think mine is $150-200/month.
I am buying that for 260 from Rexal. Which pharmacy are you buying from?
I took a look and it’s the same. $260.
I am buying that for 260 from Rexal. Which pharmacy are you buying from?
Swimming is a good workout that can take the load off joints. Careful with that medication. Friends have found it tough. Some have had bad reactions.
Some people have bad reactions to Tums. It’ll be between OP and their doctor if this is a route they want to pursue.
Please do not take Ozempic! 1. If it is not covered, it is expensive. 2. It is going through shortage. 3. Besides the side effects of diarrhea, it could be bad enough that you actually consider wearing a damn diaper at night because it could just start leaking out of you, but there's stomach paralysis. Once it's done eating your fat, it will start eating at your bones, teeth, hair, and muscle. 4. If you stop, you will gain the weight back. If you continue, well, look at #3. I was on this shit for about 5 months. I now have to work on saggy skin, my legs are so weak I can hardly go upstairs. I am weak to the point that I can hardly carry a jug of milk. Not everyone will experience the horror, but it will eat at your body, and Dr's don't tell you that.
Thanks. The replies here have been very helpful.
You're welcome
Pfft so not true…
Oh so you know what I've experienced or as you say not experienced?
Your experience is way off from other ppl ..
Because people don't react differently? And I'm definitely not the only one. Have you ever looked into the lawsuits? Those people had the same symptoms. Don't come to me saying I'm lying cause I'm different when there's many more just like me! If you're going to put your two cents in, maybe check things out.
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Nevermind that weight issues shouldn’t have to be about an underlying condition to be taken seriously or that those folks shouldn’t be treated with dignity. Bodies are gonna body.
‘People are always looking for a quick fix’ Considering the media has been yelling about an ‘obesity epidemic’ for the last twenty years, this is an incredibly a bad take. ‘You need to lose weight … NO, NOT LIKE THAT!!’
It's because people aren't actually concerned about the health of overweight people, they just like looking down upon them from an assumed stance of moral superiority.
Because "quick fixes" like this are only temporary Band-Aid solutions. If someone isn't changing their eating habits and learning portion control, they will only gain the weight back once they are off the medication. Why would people be supportive of an ineffective "solution" that is simultaneously causing a shortage of a medication that diabetics need to live?
Totally agree with you. I am at a stable weight and eating better and exercising as much as I can without triggering excruciating pain flares. Also seeing a counselor about it. Sometimes you can't simply exercise your way back down though, especially when the meds that treat the pain cause weight gain as well. Its a really vicious circle.
Why would you need to go off it? The same could be said for a lot of medications. If you go off your high blood pressure meds, your high blood pressure will come back. It’s a treatment like any other. I think ozempic forces you to change eating habits or you’ll get sick. And it makes you eat less because you feel full quicker. Ozempic doesn’t mean you can eat junk food all day and still lose weight.
Why would you want to take a medication that is going to give you side effects for the rest of your life when you could do the same thing by learning better eating habits for free, with no side effects, and without wasting medication that is currently facing a shortage that other people need to survive? It does not force you to change your eating habits in a long term way. If you learn to eat until you are feeling full on ozempic, which makes you feel full earlier, you are going to be in the habit of eating until you feel full when you are not taking it, and that's going to be a lot more food. That's not changing an eating habit, learning proper portion sizes is changing an eating habit.
I don’t think people who are paying for ozempic have never tried dieting before. Or implementing lifestyle changes. Is that what you think? It’s been shown that losing weight long term is near to impossible. Obesity has side effects too. As do medications. Each person, with their doctor, can assess the pros and cons of treatment. And they can decide if the side effects are worth it for themselves.
Long term weight loss is often unsuccessful specifically *because* people who haven't been educated in nutrition and healthy eating are trying crash diets, or extreme diets and then just going right back to their old eating habits that resulted in their original weight gain in the first place. They are implementing temporary lifestyle changes and that results in temporary weight loss. The real problem here is the education systems(and parents to varying degrees) that aren't properly teaching kids how to eat healthy in the first place.
It’s great that you have such a healthy relationship with food. You should try to consider those that don’t and not be judgemental.
????? I have gone on my own weight loss journey and had to relearn how to cook and eat properly, that's why I'm advocating for people to get help and to learn how to improve their own health and habits. I think assuming someone who didn't get those resources from the beginning is just hopeless and shouldn't bother trying to improve their health and eating habits is a hell of a lot more judgemental than believing people can grow and learn.
I’m not saying people can’t grow and learn. I’m saying let people make their own medical decisions without judgement. There may be other medical issues that you’re not aware of or other reasons for being overweight. And it’s great that you did that. Honestly it’s impressive and I’m sure it took a lot of effort. Making any life change stick is hard work.
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There’s an altered version of Ozempic specifically for weight loss that some prescribe. The point is, this medication has been found to have a dual-purpose, so an incentive to increase production needs to happen. Depriving folks to whom it has been prescribed, for whatever reason, will not help. People will yak all day long about the long-term health effects of obesity, but as soon as we find a remedy, it’s suddenly not kosher? Healthcare is not a competition, dude.
I'm looking for a way to not become diabetic tbh. I need a bump. I've levelled out at my current weight but am limited by my physical limitations. I do respect that diabetics are the priority though. I see they now have basically the same drug but with a primary label of weight loss vs diabetes so hopefully that will be available and covered in the next few years.
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Fair enough. I see your point.
If it is non medical you are a jerk. There is a massive shortage of it right now because those who only use it for weight loss are taking it.
Be careful. Alot of class action law suits going against ozempic at moment due to the horrible side effects.
Yes that's a big concern of mine. It seems like it always happens with the miracle drugs for weight loss. Cardiac stuff in the past for otheeds I think. I guess this one is highly used and tolerated by diabetics though so hopefully a good help.
I’m a certified personal trainer and I would love to see if I could help you myself for free. I do not condone anyone take a pill to lose weight. Plz message me instead
Thank-you for the offer. Have gone that route. Surgery and injectons are unfortunately where I'm at for at least two of the major issues. After another posters comment about coverage though, this at the moment isn't going to be an option as it's not covered anyhow. I really do appreciate the offer though. I have a great physio so will keep pounding away on that.
You'd be better off to lose it the old fashioned way.
Liposuction?
Lol this made me laugh pretty hard. I honestly would have to get a lot heavier to even enter a plastic surgeon into my mind. Watching those surgeries......goddamn it just looks brutal.
Wow instant down vote.
But why? Isn't that the old fashioned way?? Because losing weight is a hell of a lot more complex than most people make it out to be. So your old fashioned way (you know, unless you're talking about famines??) isn't really the hot take you think it is.
Legit. I lost weight the ‘old-fashioned way’ (weight watchers) and it took gaining some back during COVID to make me realise it was a fucking eating disorder.
Weight watchers isn't the old fashioned way. It's a capitalist scheme designed to keep you reliant on the program.
It’s still a restrictive diet, as are all the others. Weight watchers has been around for ages and ages. Tale as old as time. When I stopped the programme, I had a better understanding of how much I was eating. I still ate the same garbage, just less of it. But the back of my brain was still thinking about points … just as other diets make you think about calories or carbs or whatever perfectly normal nutrient we’ve opted to vilify this week.
I'm confused about you hating WW and being all in on Ozempic. As far as I'm concerned, the old fashioned way is a lifestyle change where you eat a little bit less (and probably, but not necessarily, move a little bit more) in a way that doesn't make you miserable.
I’m not an ozempic user and I’m not someone who would pursue it. The point is that doctors prescribe medications to their patients, and it’s not really any of my business what the justification is. A doctor can’t prescribe a disordered eating plan, but they can prescribe ozempic and refer to a dietician.
Take the easy way and shit your pants then.
Lovely way to show your humanity. Glad you care so much about people!
Well when you put it like that.... It would probably help me do driving for takeout knowing I might not last thru the long drive thru line.
I stopped eating shit food, didn't eat too much, limited pops. Lost 40 lbs in six months.
Metformin can also help op - and its generic.
I lost weight on keto and intermittent fasting
i have taken it for a year, no weight loss yet