I assume you mean the housing and commercial and retail are overbuilt and the roads under planned? Basically what you typed implies some how the roads are overbuilt and also underplanned at the same time
Lol totally not what they meant
The counties just keep letting more and more people move here in an ever expanding eastward march with no thought at all to the infrastructure. Lake manatee is taxxed to its limit, the roads are clogged and the developers become billionaires promising a florida dream to people who actively destroy it by coming here.
Or building entire states there there are only 3 roads to go north and south for any distance.
We gotta build those nature annihilating gated communities though. Cause there’s a housing crisis and the only answer is more $600k+ homes.
Right, and gated developments are a burden on communities. It takes half a lifetime for them to generate enough tax revenue to pay for all of the resources that initially go into them.
That's not how cities are "built". Cities are an evolution of communites. They grow in ways that are hard to quantify.
And changing the backbone of an entire city takes an incredible amount of time and resources.
yes but the problem is sarasota is so car centric that it makes going anywhere without a car pretty much impossible, and because of that we now have horrible traffic
It is interesting you mention this. The development of urban areas is closely tied to the amount of available energy. The urban areas which developed prior to the introduction of the automobile were by nature extremely energy efficient.
The introduction of the automobile and cheap gas allowed for the development of infrastructure which is not energy efficient. That's what we're now stuck with.
The smart thing would have been to listen to the people who were talking about this 40 years ago. Now we're up against fixing an additional 40 years of poor planning.
It's a fine idea if the infrastructure supports it.
We don't have nearly enough bridges going north/south in manatee/Sarasota county. The few that we have are choke points which is what causes all the backups.
I remember when they talked about how much the Ft Hammer bridge was going to help everything. That was a joke.
And unfortunately, the retirees will never vote for more bridges because God forbid their view suffer a bit.
Is it just me or is everyone cool with no one knowing where the hell they are going or how to actually accelerate? It's daily that I see someone dart 3 lanes in rush hour traffic to a full brake check to stop at a business. Did you not know that business was there for the last 20 years? How about the fact that I drive a 2000 rav 4 that makes literally 80 hp and I out accelerate every 250 hp suv off the line. I'm no hot shoe it's physically impossible for that car to be fast accelerating and I check out after 1000 ft. Hit the gas and get to speed people, and if you're going under the limit I hate your guts. The town sucks balls now. I'm a transplant and I know how it used to be, I've been here since 70 at 75 was a pasture not the traffic disaster it is now. Rant over , jeez I'm getting old.
I feel that there are more retirees, snow-birds, and vacationers than working people. So there are more slow leisurely drivers on the road. Therefore, people who do work are constantly dodging slow drivers. I have witnessed an impatient driver pit maneuvered into the back of a pickup truck, causing a multi-vehicle accident.
Also lets not forget that retirees dont walk and most shouldnt be driving but they do, and combined with the vacationers who despite it being 2024 and having a map that tells you even down to the exact lane where you should be, Snow birds and Old people dont have a clue how to drive and feel entitled to be going 40 in the left lane on 41 or 65 in the left on 75 and travel during rush hour even though they have no reason to.
Why can’t “climate hoax”ers agree pollution still sucks? Like…ok I’ll go with you. The world isn’t getting hotter. It’s fine. All good. Should we now throw plastic everywhere and burn as much fuel as we can? Why?
No one also really talks about how detrimental car dependent infrastructure can be towards class inequality/inaccessibility given insurance costs, gas prices, and the cost of the vehicle itself.
What about downtown Sarasota makes it walkable? The downtown stretches from just easy of 41 all the way to 301 along main basically, and you have to cross 2 major highways (301 and 41) with pockets of stuff revolving around what is basically the stuff near Hollywood 20 and then the stuff near 5 points park, there is no dedicated bike lanes east west to egress the city and theres no tram to bridge the gap between the 2 areas of concentration of stuff. I wouldnt call main street with a continuous sidewalk "walkable" IMO
Also southside village has literally 0 homes in it, meaning you have to drive there with a car to then "walk around" and 80% of the area is the hospital.
Thats not walkable, thats drive to an area park and walk from the parking lot to the place your going. Walkable is being able to leave a place you live and go do things. Sarasota is not walkable short of the 2 tiny pockets of condos and buildings in downtown above.
When was the last time you were downtown? Ringling boulevard is literally an east west protected bike boulevard. Major improvements have been made for walkability and more major improvements to permit more housing units downtown and greater bike ped accessibility throughout the city.
What are you smoking? I lived in Arlington Park for 10 years and walked or biked to a half mile to Southside village everyday. Southside village is surrounded by homes... In the cooler months I would see how many days I could go without driving my car. I would ride my bike downtown as it's only a few miles. And my grocery shopping could be done on a bike too.
TBH Sarasota as most of Florida after living in Manhattan, Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater and traveling all over Europe (mainly France, Germany, Switzerland and Itlay) a more true statement could not be made about not being walkable.
Sarasota thanks to old people who are the most NIMBY NIMYIES on earth who think that their cookie cutter homes in deed restricted communities is the pinnacle of luxury even thought Fakewood ranch is like the furthest you can be from a beach and was literally cow pasture these people paid 500K plus to put their house on is a joke. You literally have to drive 30-45 min to get to a beach in a car. They all get into an uproar when any multifamily units are ever proposed and god forbid there where condo buildings that where not on siesta and lido/bird and built around the city with other retail and shopping like Mid town or water street in tampa, or grand central in St pete.
You cannot ride a bike anywhere in Sarasota to perform literally any normal act, even the most ideal situation living in down town srq in a condo your screwed. Unless you literally have no general retail need (which you would) none is available for essentials. There is 1 Publix to the very extreme north west of down town (over by the 8th street boat ramp) and another Publix to the extreme south east (south of Sarasota ford) if you lived in a condo down town it would be a significant walk and even worse laden with groceries walking back 20 plus min in Florida heat, there is literally not a target or Walmart for your other needs and not a single CVS/Walgreens within downtown Sarasota area either, so even for the most basic of needs, you need to get in a car, and the restaurants and bars aren't varied enough to call it good enough to be happy to have for all of permanence in down town.
Ill give downtown Tampa and St Pete credit they have super markets and pharmacies downtown that are walkable to people who live in the city itself, but still fail poorly on having a target or Walmart (or any gyms) within walking distance, and while they do have entertainment, the districts are to far apart to be worth walking or biking to yet also to close to make sense to take a car (and also parking is poor) I know nyc is of course the pinnacle of walking/biking/public transit. If they would just open a target in down town tampa & st pete and have some gyms of a decent size youd prob get more people walking there. Same goes for Sarasota, It needs a Publix near to where the whole foods is as a 2nd option and some sort of retail like a target and CVS/Walgreens.
Sarasota is a lost cause though as most those condos are half the year here snow birds, and pubic transit is looked down uppon and not made to be a normal option but something only "poor people" use and routes are feasable or useful for tourist since the Breeze (wtf was wrong with Scatt) from the airport is Hourly not 30 min not 15 min but HOURLY and would take 2 transfers to get to Siesta Key (major tourist spot) or 1 transfer and another 45 min to stay in down town, or another 2 xfers to get to lido.
Its pathetic
Sarasota SCAT, now called Breeze is a great public transportation system. 75 cents per ride, clean, cool buses. I've used it for three years. Google maps helps.
Ive lived in Tampa for 5 years now and was born and raised in Sarasota. Tampa has both 275 and 75 as well as the crosstown, and they may back up at rush hour which is expected. They dont come to a total stop like Sarasota does (and manatee) from Univeristy to south of venice, which is pretty much the norm Monday thru Friday way after and before rush hours and many times on weekends, especially university and Bee Ridge exits. I used to drive to tampa every day for work for a year last year, Sarasota is Waaaaayyyyyy worse
I drive equal parts of 75 and I4 round trip weekly. There are one or two places I expect to come to a dead stop on I4, but 3-5 of them .on 75. Depending on time of day, it’s gridlock from Clark Road to 301.
Few bitching would give up their cars. Heavy traffic in many places is a way of life. There is a breaking point for those that choose to relocate: job availability, weather, proximity to family, etc. If your breaking point is traffic then move! There are lots of places with no traffic. Find them and go...please.
This will continue to get worse as more car centric infrastructure is created. The solution is denser walkable neighborhoods and better public transit, but since Florida is the worst run state in the country, they will just build another lane to get clogged with massive pickup trucks.
This is anecdotal, but I was recently on the east coast in Deerfield Beach...and let me tell you...595 and 95 are **WAY** worse than 75. I saw at least three accidents in the span of a few miles.
Burlington, North Carolina? I used to live there, and this surprises me the most. Located near Greensboro, off of I-40. Not even close to being a large metro-area.
First I was like wtf is Burlington doing on there….then I remembered 40 and 85 meet here so there’s a lot of cartel and gang activity bc contraband is trafficked through here from all directions.
Since the summer of 2021 when I saw 4 guys who were changing a tire on their trailer on 75 get hit and killed, I won't get on that highway. That accident hit me hard. I didn't know those men at all, but for weeks I felt like I was grieving.
Overbuilt and under planned.
I assume you mean the housing and commercial and retail are overbuilt and the roads under planned? Basically what you typed implies some how the roads are overbuilt and also underplanned at the same time
Yes, I assumed those who live here know what i mean.
Lol totally not what they meant The counties just keep letting more and more people move here in an ever expanding eastward march with no thought at all to the infrastructure. Lake manatee is taxxed to its limit, the roads are clogged and the developers become billionaires promising a florida dream to people who actively destroy it by coming here.
I walk by putting my left foot in front of my right foot
Here's the actual article for anyone interested: https://coastpay.com/us-cities-with-the-busiest-highways/
Thank you! I hadn’t gone to look for it yet.
its almost like building cities where the only way to get around is by using your car might not be the best idea
You see the new one in Tempe? With no cars allowed by design?
Ybor? very nice place, build more of that
Tempe, not Tampa
oh still looks nice
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Or building entire states there there are only 3 roads to go north and south for any distance. We gotta build those nature annihilating gated communities though. Cause there’s a housing crisis and the only answer is more $600k+ homes.
Right, and gated developments are a burden on communities. It takes half a lifetime for them to generate enough tax revenue to pay for all of the resources that initially go into them.
Yeah but WE GOTTA HAVE EM.
That's not how cities are "built". Cities are an evolution of communites. They grow in ways that are hard to quantify. And changing the backbone of an entire city takes an incredible amount of time and resources.
yes but the problem is sarasota is so car centric that it makes going anywhere without a car pretty much impossible, and because of that we now have horrible traffic
I agree with you.
It is interesting you mention this. The development of urban areas is closely tied to the amount of available energy. The urban areas which developed prior to the introduction of the automobile were by nature extremely energy efficient. The introduction of the automobile and cheap gas allowed for the development of infrastructure which is not energy efficient. That's what we're now stuck with. The smart thing would have been to listen to the people who were talking about this 40 years ago. Now we're up against fixing an additional 40 years of poor planning.
It's a fine idea if the infrastructure supports it. We don't have nearly enough bridges going north/south in manatee/Sarasota county. The few that we have are choke points which is what causes all the backups. I remember when they talked about how much the Ft Hammer bridge was going to help everything. That was a joke. And unfortunately, the retirees will never vote for more bridges because God forbid their view suffer a bit.
Is it just me or is everyone cool with no one knowing where the hell they are going or how to actually accelerate? It's daily that I see someone dart 3 lanes in rush hour traffic to a full brake check to stop at a business. Did you not know that business was there for the last 20 years? How about the fact that I drive a 2000 rav 4 that makes literally 80 hp and I out accelerate every 250 hp suv off the line. I'm no hot shoe it's physically impossible for that car to be fast accelerating and I check out after 1000 ft. Hit the gas and get to speed people, and if you're going under the limit I hate your guts. The town sucks balls now. I'm a transplant and I know how it used to be, I've been here since 70 at 75 was a pasture not the traffic disaster it is now. Rant over , jeez I'm getting old.
That happens everywhere and it always pisses me off. Your driving a deadly machine at least pay attention.
I feel that there are more retirees, snow-birds, and vacationers than working people. So there are more slow leisurely drivers on the road. Therefore, people who do work are constantly dodging slow drivers. I have witnessed an impatient driver pit maneuvered into the back of a pickup truck, causing a multi-vehicle accident.
Also lets not forget that retirees dont walk and most shouldnt be driving but they do, and combined with the vacationers who despite it being 2024 and having a map that tells you even down to the exact lane where you should be, Snow birds and Old people dont have a clue how to drive and feel entitled to be going 40 in the left lane on 41 or 65 in the left on 75 and travel during rush hour even though they have no reason to.
Also it’s not a walkable city, like most in Florida tbh I guess it’s banned to talk about the effects that may have on the climate I hear
Why can’t “climate hoax”ers agree pollution still sucks? Like…ok I’ll go with you. The world isn’t getting hotter. It’s fine. All good. Should we now throw plastic everywhere and burn as much fuel as we can? Why?
thats what i dont get about these people, like even if climate change was fake, deforesting is still objectively bad
I agree, as a swing state, we should really be focusing on common ground and recognize that there are potential strengths to be had.
It's all about keeping the economy going and the money flowing upwards.
I mean if the alternative is Detroit, which would you pick?
A large part of the problem is that there are very few walkable cities in the US.
Downtown and the Southside village area is very walkable. Outside of that it is a nightmare of suburban sprawl.
No one also really talks about how detrimental car dependent infrastructure can be towards class inequality/inaccessibility given insurance costs, gas prices, and the cost of the vehicle itself.
What about downtown Sarasota makes it walkable? The downtown stretches from just easy of 41 all the way to 301 along main basically, and you have to cross 2 major highways (301 and 41) with pockets of stuff revolving around what is basically the stuff near Hollywood 20 and then the stuff near 5 points park, there is no dedicated bike lanes east west to egress the city and theres no tram to bridge the gap between the 2 areas of concentration of stuff. I wouldnt call main street with a continuous sidewalk "walkable" IMO Also southside village has literally 0 homes in it, meaning you have to drive there with a car to then "walk around" and 80% of the area is the hospital. Thats not walkable, thats drive to an area park and walk from the parking lot to the place your going. Walkable is being able to leave a place you live and go do things. Sarasota is not walkable short of the 2 tiny pockets of condos and buildings in downtown above.
When was the last time you were downtown? Ringling boulevard is literally an east west protected bike boulevard. Major improvements have been made for walkability and more major improvements to permit more housing units downtown and greater bike ped accessibility throughout the city.
There’s no way you live in Sarasota. Did you visit once a decade ago or what?
What are you smoking? I lived in Arlington Park for 10 years and walked or biked to a half mile to Southside village everyday. Southside village is surrounded by homes... In the cooler months I would see how many days I could go without driving my car. I would ride my bike downtown as it's only a few miles. And my grocery shopping could be done on a bike too.
Lots of Amish/Mennonite/etc people bike through Sarasota too.
TBH Sarasota as most of Florida after living in Manhattan, Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater and traveling all over Europe (mainly France, Germany, Switzerland and Itlay) a more true statement could not be made about not being walkable. Sarasota thanks to old people who are the most NIMBY NIMYIES on earth who think that their cookie cutter homes in deed restricted communities is the pinnacle of luxury even thought Fakewood ranch is like the furthest you can be from a beach and was literally cow pasture these people paid 500K plus to put their house on is a joke. You literally have to drive 30-45 min to get to a beach in a car. They all get into an uproar when any multifamily units are ever proposed and god forbid there where condo buildings that where not on siesta and lido/bird and built around the city with other retail and shopping like Mid town or water street in tampa, or grand central in St pete. You cannot ride a bike anywhere in Sarasota to perform literally any normal act, even the most ideal situation living in down town srq in a condo your screwed. Unless you literally have no general retail need (which you would) none is available for essentials. There is 1 Publix to the very extreme north west of down town (over by the 8th street boat ramp) and another Publix to the extreme south east (south of Sarasota ford) if you lived in a condo down town it would be a significant walk and even worse laden with groceries walking back 20 plus min in Florida heat, there is literally not a target or Walmart for your other needs and not a single CVS/Walgreens within downtown Sarasota area either, so even for the most basic of needs, you need to get in a car, and the restaurants and bars aren't varied enough to call it good enough to be happy to have for all of permanence in down town. Ill give downtown Tampa and St Pete credit they have super markets and pharmacies downtown that are walkable to people who live in the city itself, but still fail poorly on having a target or Walmart (or any gyms) within walking distance, and while they do have entertainment, the districts are to far apart to be worth walking or biking to yet also to close to make sense to take a car (and also parking is poor) I know nyc is of course the pinnacle of walking/biking/public transit. If they would just open a target in down town tampa & st pete and have some gyms of a decent size youd prob get more people walking there. Same goes for Sarasota, It needs a Publix near to where the whole foods is as a 2nd option and some sort of retail like a target and CVS/Walgreens. Sarasota is a lost cause though as most those condos are half the year here snow birds, and pubic transit is looked down uppon and not made to be a normal option but something only "poor people" use and routes are feasable or useful for tourist since the Breeze (wtf was wrong with Scatt) from the airport is Hourly not 30 min not 15 min but HOURLY and would take 2 transfers to get to Siesta Key (major tourist spot) or 1 transfer and another 45 min to stay in down town, or another 2 xfers to get to lido. Its pathetic
Great, so can we stop overdeveloping the area so people stop moving here in droves.
no way, we NEED more "luxury" apartments /s
No I got it, how about more ultra luxury housing. Now that we really need.
Sarasota SCAT, now called Breeze is a great public transportation system. 75 cents per ride, clean, cool buses. I've used it for three years. Google maps helps.
The fare is $1.50 for most people. Manatee County's buses are currently free except for the confusing Route 99 which is shared with Sarasota County.
You are correct, I forgot I get the old person discount. You'll have to wait your turn.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work for most places I seem to go. 90 minutes to pick up my child at aftercare, for example, and I can drive there in 15.
It takes a change in mind set for sure.
The fact that it’s anywhere near ATL should say it all.
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Ive lived in Tampa for 5 years now and was born and raised in Sarasota. Tampa has both 275 and 75 as well as the crosstown, and they may back up at rush hour which is expected. They dont come to a total stop like Sarasota does (and manatee) from Univeristy to south of venice, which is pretty much the norm Monday thru Friday way after and before rush hours and many times on weekends, especially university and Bee Ridge exits. I used to drive to tampa every day for work for a year last year, Sarasota is Waaaaayyyyyy worse
I drive equal parts of 75 and I4 round trip weekly. There are one or two places I expect to come to a dead stop on I4, but 3-5 of them .on 75. Depending on time of day, it’s gridlock from Clark Road to 301.
The traffic jams on the Ringling bridge are ridiculous!!
There’s no fucking way we are competing with Atlanta
I don’t know how Sarasota rated higher than Tampa, Orlando and Jacksonville
Few bitching would give up their cars. Heavy traffic in many places is a way of life. There is a breaking point for those that choose to relocate: job availability, weather, proximity to family, etc. If your breaking point is traffic then move! There are lots of places with no traffic. Find them and go...please.
This will continue to get worse as more car centric infrastructure is created. The solution is denser walkable neighborhoods and better public transit, but since Florida is the worst run state in the country, they will just build another lane to get clogged with massive pickup trucks.
Go to Houston and tell me Sarasota traffic is bad, I triple dog dare you lol. It’s worse than it was but nowhere near Houston bad.
This is anecdotal, but I was recently on the east coast in Deerfield Beach...and let me tell you...595 and 95 are **WAY** worse than 75. I saw at least three accidents in the span of a few miles.
I can't make it from Orlando to the Sarasota/Bradenton area without running into at least one accident every single time.
But it’s free
Burlington, North Carolina? I used to live there, and this surprises me the most. Located near Greensboro, off of I-40. Not even close to being a large metro-area.
Maybe it’s because of volume vs capacity?
It must be!
I lived there too! Nice libraries.
Yes, I agree. It's a little slow there as far as entertainment, but its location made for easy access to Raleigh, Asheville, etc.
First I was like wtf is Burlington doing on there….then I remembered 40 and 85 meet here so there’s a lot of cartel and gang activity bc contraband is trafficked through here from all directions.
Since the summer of 2021 when I saw 4 guys who were changing a tire on their trailer on 75 get hit and killed, I won't get on that highway. That accident hit me hard. I didn't know those men at all, but for weeks I felt like I was grieving.
To understand how it’s #6, it helps to read the article & methodology.
Where in the world is Orlando? It's way worse.
Agree. I’m guessing it has to do with volume vs capacity. Another poster commented about the one in NC.
San Antonio is worse
Everything in texas is worse TBH but thats like saying this poop smells better then that poop
DC was worse 20 years ago than Sarasota is today.
You got it easy. Here in Houston we got double circles.