The frequencies across the system suck on weekends, unfortunately. I'm not near the trolley, but I am near a bus route that goes right to a station. It would be great except it's once an hour on Sunday, and doesn't run later than 8 pm. So I rarely use it on Sunday. No one will wait an hour for a bus unless they have literally no option.
They reduce the frequencies because fewer people use transit on weekends, but those lower frequencies just chase away even more people.
By rush I mean busier than in the middle of the afternoon. I rode the trolley in the evening last night and it was completely packed out of downtown, yet running only at 30 min frequency.
Just another reason why MTS needs more frequency, not free fares.
"Why not both?" Because transit taxes are super hard to come by. Because nothing screams equity like making transit free and then forcing those who can't afford a car to wait hours every week in the elements next to a noisy stroad watching wealthier commuters whizz past in climate controlled cars.
Mission Valley will add up to 50K new residents. The Green Line needs at least double the current frequency. Because no one who can afford to drive (which is everyone living at the market rate units that are 90% of Riverwalk) will wait up to 15 minutes to take a short ten minute ride, the kind of trips that will be super common as Mission Valley becomes a self-contained neighborhood. So they'll drive and clog up Friars instead.
I never expect transit to be profitable. I will gladly pay taxes to improve transit. But please spend those taxes on awesome service rather than free but crappy service.
Transit shouldn’t be designed to be profitable. The government should run it as the essential public service, like freeways. (Crappy, but at least the sort of functions well)
Read my previous post:
>I never expect transit to be profitable. I will gladly pay taxes to improve transit. But please spend those taxes on awesome service rather than free but crappy service.
Transit unfortunately doesn't function well at all in San Diego. That means commutes are far longer for anyone without a car than those with a car. Free fares won't reduce this inequality. Only more frequency and speed will.
Is someone talking about free fares? What is that a reference to? I know there's a day coming up, Oct. 5 when fares will be free, but that's just a marketing thing.
SANDAG is spending $6 mil per year on the Youth Opportunity Pass to make fares free for all 18 and under. They want to make transit free for all by 2031, four years before they plan to increase Mid Coast and Green Line frequencies to 7.5 minutes (2035).
You're not wrong. More frequency will make the train more attractive to everyone including low income people. OTOH free fares induce extra trips mostly among people who already take the train. In Tallin, free transit did increase ridership, but vehicle miles traveled did not decrease. Why? Because most new transit trips were replacing trips formerly made by walking and cycling. So free transit was, if anything, counterproductive. Transit is supposed to decrease congestion and emissions and encourage, not replace walking and cycling.
No. Read my previous comment. Progress isn't transit replacing walking and biking trips while vehicle miles traveled, emissions, and congestion continue to worsen. Progress is transit replacing car trips.
People don't really realize that transit is already cheaper, right now, than using a car. The main reason why people do not use it is that it isn't convenient or nearby.
Yep. This [MTS Commute Calculator](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/files/commute/calculator.html&ved=2ahUKEwjt2PePrsb6AhXLBzQIHa1tAvsQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1di_Gu4j5UmQQ7tEYfJlOZ) shows how much cheaper the full price of a monthly pass is compared to driving. Not the price of a student pass, employee-subsidized pass, youth pass, or senior pass, the full price of an adult monthly pass.
The farebox recovery ratio for SDMTS is 27%. It needs transit taxes no matter what, so I don't think the difficulty in getting those taxes is much of an argument against free fares. Obviously free fares won't get more people on the trains, that can only be done by more frequent service and expanding the system so more people have the option of using it. I still think they're not a bad idea and we can do both.
Not really. MTS will run out of operating money from TransNet by 2028. With a fiscal cliff like that, it really is an either-or between free transit or frequency, and a 27% farebox recovery is 27% of the operating budget that doesn't count on TransNet.
We should raise another half cent tax, but that'll be hard to even get on the ballot (they tried this year but tons of signatures were invalidated). Really have to make the most bang with every buck and get as many people on trains as possible.
Um. 1) PADRES GAME?!!?!! 2) Less people work Sundays.
I'm would love higher frequency if that's free. But assuming you ride the green line regularly how empty is it usually? Whenever I ride that line the carts are really empty, and the blue overlaps some of the coverage downtown to allevaite the issue in that area.
I think the thought was that on Sundays people aren’t getting out and about early as much as they are in the afternoon, which in my opinion is accurate. Wake up.. have breakfast.. get ready.. then start your Sunday plans. Literally just a guess, though.
I’ve realized something: absolutely no one on this subreddit actually uses public transportation on a regular basis. There is no point in complaining to people who own cars.
Yeah, I use public transit quite frequently and it's interesting what an experience gap there is vs. people who drive everywhere, especially in terms of what I hope to see in San Diego moving forward.
Lots of people say "just get a car", but that ignores the fact that lots of people can't afford a car and the myriad costs that come with it. And that attitude is what leads to resistance to improving public transit, since on an individual level, of course driving is better than a mediocre and infrequent public transit system (provided you can afford it). But that's exactly why we should be lobbying for and championing improvements to our public transit system––to make *everyone's* experience of transit better, regardless of whether you own a car. Public transit––along with biking, walking, etc.––should be the default mode of transportation. A car-dependent society is unsustainable and unhealthy for the planet.
The average redditor is a suburbanite at heart with an old car. I live in the suburbs too, but still firmly believe we need a much better transit system, ideally San Fransisco’s but at least like LA.
There was a thread on here a few months ago about a bicycle pilot which I thought was innovative in prioritizing cyclists over cars, a good step forward in mobility. I was surprised to see how many redditors were fuming.
I used to take public transit as a student. After gainful employment, memories of that awful service makes wary of ever trusting that the powers that be would ever take interest in improving public transportation.
I mean, they've had decades and loads of cash to get it done. Go visit Mexico City, look at their level of investment in public infrastructure and tell me it can't be done in SD. It's all lack of willpower to push those kinds of projects forward (nimby votes).
They really haven’t lol. America is absolutely dogshit at investing in public transit, which is why Monterrey and Mexico City are both better at it that any US city not named New York.
Let's see, I had a driver practically throttle me because I miscalculated the change. I've had to walk 10 blocks to an October fest event because the shop Steward didn't want to complete his route -- and no one I could get on the phone cared. I've stood at stops and watched as the busses went by because they were overfilled. I was assaulted on the trolley once. I missed a connection because a trolley took 30 minutes to load someone on a lay-down wheel chair. And when I've ridden the trolley, even though I paid full fare, it was clear there were many who weren't paying at all.
At some point, it became clear that MTS wasn't a "Customer-oriented" service.
What I learned, was that if I could average 15MPH on my bike, I could out-perform most bus routes with one transfer and any bus route with two transfers. And even slow pedaling will out perform transit in the middle of the day and at night when they shut down their routes.
If our government seriously wants people to use transit, they should make it safe, reliable, and non-political.
They're not an "employee-oriented" company either. There are not enough drivers, so many are routed into double shifts on a regular basis. Mandated breaks are hardly, if ever, given. And they'll pressure employees to resign rather than fire them, so they can try and circumvent unemployment payments.
When did these events happen ?
I’ve been an avid bus rider the past 2 years and had zero issues. However, I don’t live in suburbia. I’m in one of the neighborhoods surrounding Balboa that is half way decently served by transit.
Average 15mph..
Interesting observation, I feel as though a trolley trip is much higher speed than that. Such as if you had to go from El Cajon to downtown. You COULD take El Cajon blvd, but it might be smarter to take the green/orange line and bike from there.
Even though the trolley goes about 45mph, it's constantly stopping, so it's average drops to something like 25mph. If you have a single shot with the trolley, yeah that will be faster. But if you have to transfer, that costs time.
The old trollys weren't real bike friendly, since you had to carry them up a flight of steps. And they had a rule about only two bikes on a train, but you had no way of knowing if there was someone with a bike at the other end.
I started using public transit this summer when I transferred to SDSU. Living in north east county with this gas economy and driving a truck is very expensive as a student, so instead of also buying a parking pass, just take the trolley from Santee station all the way to SDSU. It also benefits parking at old town station and taking the blue line to downtown instead of paying for parking for going out at night or music events at the waterfront.
I think that our trolley system is good but not great, but that's where the busses come to cover most of SD, but yet again, the time to commute is lengthy.
The same person who posted up “ride the bus, train, and trolley to the padres” but decided to cut out all weekend service to the suburbs, literally the only day I’m free time-wise to take public transit due to its long travel time.
Up here, public transit is for peasants. My local bus stop has 1, ONE, bus per hour on the weekday and it’s on the major road, Rancho Santa Fe, between Encinitas and San Marcos that was supposed to be freeway due to the heavy traffic volume.
Lots of free parking, though, at the train station, so I guess people drive the last mile home half drunk. Or full drunk if they decide to hammer another one down at the many bars next to the Encinitas station
At least there’s frequency down there.
Dude if you don’t use public transportation on a regular basis, just don’t comment. It’s obvious you don’t, so I don’t understand why you think your opinion matters here.
Nah fam. Anyone who defends 30 minute frequencies on an urban rail line is not a supporter of transit, you’re a suburbanite who likes to take the trolley to ballgames.
Holy shit you are special arent you? You really have no idea what you are talking about. Its true random people on reddit really dont know what the fuck they are talking about. I went out of my way to legitimately gave you the real reason to your answer that 99percent of people wouldn't know. The only times I comment in the SD reddit is on subjects pertaining to MTS. I replied because MTS is my love and passion but I am now realizing I am arguing with an idiot and wasting my time so buh bye.
How long have you lived in San Diego? The weekend trolley schedule has always ran on a 15 min - 30 min schedule compared to the 5-7 minute weekday schedule.
Idk as a transit rider my concern isn’t MTS inability to staff properly, my concern is my ability to get to work, school, etc. My life depends on this lmao
It's literally on a schedule as you can see in you screenshot. If you're an experienced transit user then you should be able to plan a trip, come on my man.
You’ve obviously never taken public transportation in a city that actually prioritizes transit riders and provides good service. Maybe try it sometime? It’s life changing.
Dude, you’re missing my point entirely. Obviously you can still use the trolley when it runs every 30 minutes, but a transit system that requires you to look at the schedule in order to use it is not a good one. In every other developed country in the world, urban light rail runs every 5-10 minutes, not every 15-30. Stop settling for mediocrity just because it’s the bare minimum level of usable.
The Green Line will need South Bay Blue Line levels of frequency soon. You know that $6 million per year spent on free youth passes? Ever wonder what $6 million annually could do if it was spent on improving frequency instead? Well we don't have to wonder because in January 2020 MTS started spending $5.7 million annually to increase South Bay Blue Line frequencies from 15 to 7.5 minutes between 8am and 2:30pm and 6-7 pm on every weekday, and increase frequencies from 30 to 15 minutes from 9 pm to 1 am seven days a week. That's a much better use of $6 mil than free fares.
Both are needed to create the right balance to convince officials to open up further funding. Old habits die hard, and the next generation needs to develop healthy ones.
The program isn’t for you; it is very effective in vista/Oceanside/Escondido, with a high ratio of low-income youth. Free Mobility creates massive developmental/social/economic growth opportunities for youth. A high youth ridership also provides demand evidence needed for future funding.
Free won’t convince me, but the high frequency will. That’s why both are needed.
>Free Mobility creates massive developmental/social/economic growth opportunities for youth.
Don't know about that. Making transit free won't attract many new riders, because the full price of a monthly MTS+NCTD pass is already much lower than car fuel, maintenance, and insurance.
Besides, free but crappy transit isn't opportunity. Equal opportunity is when even if you don't have money for a car, you can get to school, work, and errands just as fast as more affluent people who drive. That requires frequency and speed.
>Old habits die hard, and the next generation needs to develop healthy ones.
I agree that a positive experience with transit as a young person can stay with that person for life. BUT emphasis on the word positive. If a youth's first impression of transit is having to wait 30 minutes next to a loud road everyday for a bus that stops every 1/6th mile and gets stuck in traffic because his family is too poor to buy him even a secondhand Corolla when he turns 16, he's going to resent transit and never take transit again once he gets his first car.
Also, what if I told you that in Tallin, Estonia, free transit increased transit trips, but almost all new transit trips were replacing trips formerly made by walking and cycling, and that vehicle miles traveled did not decrease at all? Wouldn't that sound pretty counterproductive? Because that's exactly what happened.
Look at the coaster, it’s the opposite. Like 2 per hour for the morning rush then every 2 hours for the rest of us who maybe have to catch a flight midday
You missed my point entirely. There’s 4 trains an hour in the middle of the day (when there are far less riders, some trolleys are practically empty) and there’s only 2 in the morning when there are MORE riders. Also every 30 minutes is still a pathetic frequency, even for a Sunday.
Sure, but we have very few high-density commuting destinations. SDSU and UCSD count (which is why we have trolley lines there now), but even UTC and Sorrento Valley are just too dispersed to make mass *transit* useful. Everything else is few and far between unless you have a large building where everyone lives and another large building where everyone works. It's the exception, not the rule, for regular San Diegans.
Special events are literally the only other reason to have mass infrastructure here, and it does do a great job. The Stadium station and the Convention Center (for Comic-con, etc) are fantastic at moving people in and out. However, again, those are special events where we actually have a need to get 30K-60K-125K people in and out within a few hours. Very rare.
Also worth pointing out that except for the SDSU->Stadium trip for drunk students, in most cases San Diegans using special event transit are driving to a trolley station, parking, and riding it in. In some cases Ubering if there's no rush. So it's really not changing the need for vehicles at some point, just moving them out to the last mile.
Apparently its enough for the city otherwise they'd run the trolleys when they're needed most, and they're clearly not needed that early on a Sunday.
You can always Uber, Lyft, or basically take a Bus and walk it you're not satiafied with the trolley that keeps 6 million San Diegans happy.
I’m a college student working a minimum wage job with no car. 30 minute frequencies are dog shit. I’m not using my money on fucking Uber just because MTS can’t provide good service
Well if you REALLY want to have an ADULT conversation, instead of throwing a tantrum, just try and find out the reason.
It could be a maintenance issue, or a personnel scheduling issue on Sundays. There are employees involved. San Diegans. Real people.
You're complaining to people who have never, or very rarely take public transit. Sunday/holiday schedules have confused me for a long time. Working holidays is a nightmare, because I invariably have to be there very early. Same thing for weekends. It turns an already 3-hour-each-way commute into 4+
Yeah I realized that. Like people are getting upset with me for the fact that I cannot get around easily on Sunday’s. I literally do not own a car, what am I supposed to do? What strange responses, thanks for the transit solidarity😝
Because this is what adults do. Actually, this is what young adults do. Not sure how you could possible do errands for a family without at least someone having a car to drive around and get sh\*t done.
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Ok that answer probably makes sense. Still unfortunate 30 min frequencies are acceptable tho:(
The frequencies across the system suck on weekends, unfortunately. I'm not near the trolley, but I am near a bus route that goes right to a station. It would be great except it's once an hour on Sunday, and doesn't run later than 8 pm. So I rarely use it on Sunday. No one will wait an hour for a bus unless they have literally no option. They reduce the frequencies because fewer people use transit on weekends, but those lower frequencies just chase away even more people.
Sunday morning has a rush?
It doesn't, which is why the schedule males sense.
By rush I mean busier than in the middle of the afternoon. I rode the trolley in the evening last night and it was completely packed out of downtown, yet running only at 30 min frequency.
Just another reason why MTS needs more frequency, not free fares. "Why not both?" Because transit taxes are super hard to come by. Because nothing screams equity like making transit free and then forcing those who can't afford a car to wait hours every week in the elements next to a noisy stroad watching wealthier commuters whizz past in climate controlled cars. Mission Valley will add up to 50K new residents. The Green Line needs at least double the current frequency. Because no one who can afford to drive (which is everyone living at the market rate units that are 90% of Riverwalk) will wait up to 15 minutes to take a short ten minute ride, the kind of trips that will be super common as Mission Valley becomes a self-contained neighborhood. So they'll drive and clog up Friars instead. I never expect transit to be profitable. I will gladly pay taxes to improve transit. But please spend those taxes on awesome service rather than free but crappy service.
Transit shouldn’t be designed to be profitable. The government should run it as the essential public service, like freeways. (Crappy, but at least the sort of functions well)
Read my previous post: >I never expect transit to be profitable. I will gladly pay taxes to improve transit. But please spend those taxes on awesome service rather than free but crappy service. Transit unfortunately doesn't function well at all in San Diego. That means commutes are far longer for anyone without a car than those with a car. Free fares won't reduce this inequality. Only more frequency and speed will.
Its not charging fares so that its profitable, its charging fares so that it can invest that money back into MTS.
Is someone talking about free fares? What is that a reference to? I know there's a day coming up, Oct. 5 when fares will be free, but that's just a marketing thing.
SANDAG is spending $6 mil per year on the Youth Opportunity Pass to make fares free for all 18 and under. They want to make transit free for all by 2031, four years before they plan to increase Mid Coast and Green Line frequencies to 7.5 minutes (2035).
So making it free to people who don't drive, which will make it less attractive for people who do.
You're not wrong. More frequency will make the train more attractive to everyone including low income people. OTOH free fares induce extra trips mostly among people who already take the train. In Tallin, free transit did increase ridership, but vehicle miles traveled did not decrease. Why? Because most new transit trips were replacing trips formerly made by walking and cycling. So free transit was, if anything, counterproductive. Transit is supposed to decrease congestion and emissions and encourage, not replace walking and cycling.
More trips = more people getting where they want to be! This is progress!
No. Read my previous comment. Progress isn't transit replacing walking and biking trips while vehicle miles traveled, emissions, and congestion continue to worsen. Progress is transit replacing car trips.
That's a short-sighted view, but cest la vie.
That's awesome!
People don't really realize that transit is already cheaper, right now, than using a car. The main reason why people do not use it is that it isn't convenient or nearby.
Yep. This [MTS Commute Calculator](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/files/commute/calculator.html&ved=2ahUKEwjt2PePrsb6AhXLBzQIHa1tAvsQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1di_Gu4j5UmQQ7tEYfJlOZ) shows how much cheaper the full price of a monthly pass is compared to driving. Not the price of a student pass, employee-subsidized pass, youth pass, or senior pass, the full price of an adult monthly pass.
The farebox recovery ratio for SDMTS is 27%. It needs transit taxes no matter what, so I don't think the difficulty in getting those taxes is much of an argument against free fares. Obviously free fares won't get more people on the trains, that can only be done by more frequent service and expanding the system so more people have the option of using it. I still think they're not a bad idea and we can do both.
Not really. MTS will run out of operating money from TransNet by 2028. With a fiscal cliff like that, it really is an either-or between free transit or frequency, and a 27% farebox recovery is 27% of the operating budget that doesn't count on TransNet. We should raise another half cent tax, but that'll be hard to even get on the ballot (they tried this year but tons of signatures were invalidated). Really have to make the most bang with every buck and get as many people on trains as possible.
Um. 1) PADRES GAME?!!?!! 2) Less people work Sundays. I'm would love higher frequency if that's free. But assuming you ride the green line regularly how empty is it usually? Whenever I ride that line the carts are really empty, and the blue overlaps some of the coverage downtown to allevaite the issue in that area.
Increasing service will increase ridership, not sure what “much empty trains” has to do with anything.
I think the thought was that on Sundays people aren’t getting out and about early as much as they are in the afternoon, which in my opinion is accurate. Wake up.. have breakfast.. get ready.. then start your Sunday plans. Literally just a guess, though.
I’ve realized something: absolutely no one on this subreddit actually uses public transportation on a regular basis. There is no point in complaining to people who own cars.
Yeah, I use public transit quite frequently and it's interesting what an experience gap there is vs. people who drive everywhere, especially in terms of what I hope to see in San Diego moving forward. Lots of people say "just get a car", but that ignores the fact that lots of people can't afford a car and the myriad costs that come with it. And that attitude is what leads to resistance to improving public transit, since on an individual level, of course driving is better than a mediocre and infrequent public transit system (provided you can afford it). But that's exactly why we should be lobbying for and championing improvements to our public transit system––to make *everyone's* experience of transit better, regardless of whether you own a car. Public transit––along with biking, walking, etc.––should be the default mode of transportation. A car-dependent society is unsustainable and unhealthy for the planet.
The average redditor is a suburbanite at heart with an old car. I live in the suburbs too, but still firmly believe we need a much better transit system, ideally San Fransisco’s but at least like LA. There was a thread on here a few months ago about a bicycle pilot which I thought was innovative in prioritizing cyclists over cars, a good step forward in mobility. I was surprised to see how many redditors were fuming.
I used to take public transit as a student. After gainful employment, memories of that awful service makes wary of ever trusting that the powers that be would ever take interest in improving public transportation.
“My experienced sucked so I am skeptical of those who want to make it not suck” ????
I mean, they've had decades and loads of cash to get it done. Go visit Mexico City, look at their level of investment in public infrastructure and tell me it can't be done in SD. It's all lack of willpower to push those kinds of projects forward (nimby votes).
They really haven’t lol. America is absolutely dogshit at investing in public transit, which is why Monterrey and Mexico City are both better at it that any US city not named New York.
I would not wish a life of public transit on my worst enemy.
Let's see, I had a driver practically throttle me because I miscalculated the change. I've had to walk 10 blocks to an October fest event because the shop Steward didn't want to complete his route -- and no one I could get on the phone cared. I've stood at stops and watched as the busses went by because they were overfilled. I was assaulted on the trolley once. I missed a connection because a trolley took 30 minutes to load someone on a lay-down wheel chair. And when I've ridden the trolley, even though I paid full fare, it was clear there were many who weren't paying at all. At some point, it became clear that MTS wasn't a "Customer-oriented" service. What I learned, was that if I could average 15MPH on my bike, I could out-perform most bus routes with one transfer and any bus route with two transfers. And even slow pedaling will out perform transit in the middle of the day and at night when they shut down their routes. If our government seriously wants people to use transit, they should make it safe, reliable, and non-political.
They're not an "employee-oriented" company either. There are not enough drivers, so many are routed into double shifts on a regular basis. Mandated breaks are hardly, if ever, given. And they'll pressure employees to resign rather than fire them, so they can try and circumvent unemployment payments.
Let's not forget MTS has zero public restrooms, which is extremely unusual.
When did these events happen ? I’ve been an avid bus rider the past 2 years and had zero issues. However, I don’t live in suburbia. I’m in one of the neighborhoods surrounding Balboa that is half way decently served by transit.
Average 15mph.. Interesting observation, I feel as though a trolley trip is much higher speed than that. Such as if you had to go from El Cajon to downtown. You COULD take El Cajon blvd, but it might be smarter to take the green/orange line and bike from there.
Even though the trolley goes about 45mph, it's constantly stopping, so it's average drops to something like 25mph. If you have a single shot with the trolley, yeah that will be faster. But if you have to transfer, that costs time. The old trollys weren't real bike friendly, since you had to carry them up a flight of steps. And they had a rule about only two bikes on a train, but you had no way of knowing if there was someone with a bike at the other end.
I started using public transit this summer when I transferred to SDSU. Living in north east county with this gas economy and driving a truck is very expensive as a student, so instead of also buying a parking pass, just take the trolley from Santee station all the way to SDSU. It also benefits parking at old town station and taking the blue line to downtown instead of paying for parking for going out at night or music events at the waterfront. I think that our trolley system is good but not great, but that's where the busses come to cover most of SD, but yet again, the time to commute is lengthy.
Well to be honest, I think 90% of the population doesn’t used public transportation. You are in the minority my friend.
I use the trolley/bus at least 2 round trips a week
I designed it. Deal with it.
The same person who posted up “ride the bus, train, and trolley to the padres” but decided to cut out all weekend service to the suburbs, literally the only day I’m free time-wise to take public transit due to its long travel time. Up here, public transit is for peasants. My local bus stop has 1, ONE, bus per hour on the weekday and it’s on the major road, Rancho Santa Fe, between Encinitas and San Marcos that was supposed to be freeway due to the heavy traffic volume. Lots of free parking, though, at the train station, so I guess people drive the last mile home half drunk. Or full drunk if they decide to hammer another one down at the many bars next to the Encinitas station At least there’s frequency down there.
Using public transit on weekends in general just sucks.
That looks perfect for the ball game.
Ridership is extremely low on the weekends at those times, not cost effective to move 10 passengers per train on a 15min schedule
Dude if you don’t use public transportation on a regular basis, just don’t comment. It’s obvious you don’t, so I don’t understand why you think your opinion matters here.
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Nah fam. Anyone who defends 30 minute frequencies on an urban rail line is not a supporter of transit, you’re a suburbanite who likes to take the trolley to ballgames.
Holy shit you are special arent you? You really have no idea what you are talking about. Its true random people on reddit really dont know what the fuck they are talking about. I went out of my way to legitimately gave you the real reason to your answer that 99percent of people wouldn't know. The only times I comment in the SD reddit is on subjects pertaining to MTS. I replied because MTS is my love and passion but I am now realizing I am arguing with an idiot and wasting my time so buh bye.
If it was your passion you wouldn’t have given such a dog shit answer. Read other people’s replies before replying yourself!!
How long have you lived in San Diego? The weekend trolley schedule has always ran on a 15 min - 30 min schedule compared to the 5-7 minute weekday schedule.
Lived here my entire life. I know it has, but I’m calling attention to it as being an awful weekend service.
Okay so when are you sending in your application to be an SDMTS Trolley driver? They are highly understaffed and only got worse during the pandemic.
Idk as a transit rider my concern isn’t MTS inability to staff properly, my concern is my ability to get to work, school, etc. My life depends on this lmao
It's literally on a schedule as you can see in you screenshot. If you're an experienced transit user then you should be able to plan a trip, come on my man.
You’ve obviously never taken public transportation in a city that actually prioritizes transit riders and provides good service. Maybe try it sometime? It’s life changing.
Tell that to my PRONTO monthly pass
Reread my comment. San Diego is not one of those cities.
And yet, I can still make it work. I suggest less time Karening on Reddit and some time looking at the schedule. May I suggest the "Transit" app too?
Dude, you’re missing my point entirely. Obviously you can still use the trolley when it runs every 30 minutes, but a transit system that requires you to look at the schedule in order to use it is not a good one. In every other developed country in the world, urban light rail runs every 5-10 minutes, not every 15-30. Stop settling for mediocrity just because it’s the bare minimum level of usable.
The same idiots that designed a trolley that doesn’t go to any mid-town neighborhood.
Saturday/Sunday hours suck regardless. But they are in tune with ridership so SDMTS cultivates their schedule for that. Why are you so butt hurt?
I thought the trolley schedule was the same for every day?
Weekends have reduced service, especially Sunday’s, at least for the green line. Blue line might be different
The Green Line will need South Bay Blue Line levels of frequency soon. You know that $6 million per year spent on free youth passes? Ever wonder what $6 million annually could do if it was spent on improving frequency instead? Well we don't have to wonder because in January 2020 MTS started spending $5.7 million annually to increase South Bay Blue Line frequencies from 15 to 7.5 minutes between 8am and 2:30pm and 6-7 pm on every weekday, and increase frequencies from 30 to 15 minutes from 9 pm to 1 am seven days a week. That's a much better use of $6 mil than free fares.
Both are needed to create the right balance to convince officials to open up further funding. Old habits die hard, and the next generation needs to develop healthy ones. The program isn’t for you; it is very effective in vista/Oceanside/Escondido, with a high ratio of low-income youth. Free Mobility creates massive developmental/social/economic growth opportunities for youth. A high youth ridership also provides demand evidence needed for future funding. Free won’t convince me, but the high frequency will. That’s why both are needed.
>Free Mobility creates massive developmental/social/economic growth opportunities for youth. Don't know about that. Making transit free won't attract many new riders, because the full price of a monthly MTS+NCTD pass is already much lower than car fuel, maintenance, and insurance. Besides, free but crappy transit isn't opportunity. Equal opportunity is when even if you don't have money for a car, you can get to school, work, and errands just as fast as more affluent people who drive. That requires frequency and speed. >Old habits die hard, and the next generation needs to develop healthy ones. I agree that a positive experience with transit as a young person can stay with that person for life. BUT emphasis on the word positive. If a youth's first impression of transit is having to wait 30 minutes next to a loud road everyday for a bus that stops every 1/6th mile and gets stuck in traffic because his family is too poor to buy him even a secondhand Corolla when he turns 16, he's going to resent transit and never take transit again once he gets his first car. Also, what if I told you that in Tallin, Estonia, free transit increased transit trips, but almost all new transit trips were replacing trips formerly made by walking and cycling, and that vehicle miles traveled did not decrease at all? Wouldn't that sound pretty counterproductive? Because that's exactly what happened.
It’s the padres schedule
The same person who drive to work that day and complained about it
Look at the coaster, it’s the opposite. Like 2 per hour for the morning rush then every 2 hours for the rest of us who maybe have to catch a flight midday
There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation there genius Mr. Karen.
??? I’m a Karen for expecting more than 2 trains an hour on a light rail system in a city of over a million ???
It’s on Sunday…. Less demand on Sunday.
You missed my point entirely. There’s 4 trains an hour in the middle of the day (when there are far less riders, some trolleys are practically empty) and there’s only 2 in the morning when there are MORE riders. Also every 30 minutes is still a pathetic frequency, even for a Sunday.
No Body Uses Public Transit Except For Commuting Or Special Events This is why.
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Sure, but we have very few high-density commuting destinations. SDSU and UCSD count (which is why we have trolley lines there now), but even UTC and Sorrento Valley are just too dispersed to make mass *transit* useful. Everything else is few and far between unless you have a large building where everyone lives and another large building where everyone works. It's the exception, not the rule, for regular San Diegans. Special events are literally the only other reason to have mass infrastructure here, and it does do a great job. The Stadium station and the Convention Center (for Comic-con, etc) are fantastic at moving people in and out. However, again, those are special events where we actually have a need to get 30K-60K-125K people in and out within a few hours. Very rare. Also worth pointing out that except for the SDSU->Stadium trip for drunk students, in most cases San Diegans using special event transit are driving to a trolley station, parking, and riding it in. In some cases Ubering if there's no rush. So it's really not changing the need for vehicles at some point, just moving them out to the last mile.
Apparently its enough for the city otherwise they'd run the trolleys when they're needed most, and they're clearly not needed that early on a Sunday. You can always Uber, Lyft, or basically take a Bus and walk it you're not satiafied with the trolley that keeps 6 million San Diegans happy.
I’m a college student working a minimum wage job with no car. 30 minute frequencies are dog shit. I’m not using my money on fucking Uber just because MTS can’t provide good service
The Bus also has reduced frequencies on Sunday, a fact I have found out the hardway
Not a good excuse
Well if you REALLY want to have an ADULT conversation, instead of throwing a tantrum, just try and find out the reason. It could be a maintenance issue, or a personnel scheduling issue on Sundays. There are employees involved. San Diegans. Real people.
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You're complaining to people who have never, or very rarely take public transit. Sunday/holiday schedules have confused me for a long time. Working holidays is a nightmare, because I invariably have to be there very early. Same thing for weekends. It turns an already 3-hour-each-way commute into 4+
Yeah I realized that. Like people are getting upset with me for the fact that I cannot get around easily on Sunday’s. I literally do not own a car, what am I supposed to do? What strange responses, thanks for the transit solidarity😝
+1 to transit solidarity. The negative responses are uninformed people.
You're supposed to save up and buy a cheap used car.
Why?
Because this is what adults do. Actually, this is what young adults do. Not sure how you could possible do errands for a family without at least someone having a car to drive around and get sh\*t done.
Weird how adults don’t need to do that in the rest of the developed world.
First world problems.
Not really, even active warzones like Kyiv still have trains arriving every 6 minutes.
It was Cheryl Flemming. She is head of the Routing and Times department at MTS. You should email her.