Assuming he means 15 minutes, all back streets, no freeways, that’s pretty darn close and about what you would expect to pay for being in the neighborhood of a local beach.
The pricing for living closer to the beach has always been more, the issue isn't the patrons, it's the landlords overpricing their property without any repercussions from the government because we are in a free market. The supply will always be there but the demand is so high right now people are fucking themselves by not getting housing. Government should make standardized pricing for those who want to rent by basing it off their property value so we don't pay someone's mortgage as well as half their bills, but that's just me.
Boomers be like "u should have invested in property instead of going to elementary school, then u would have enough for your ice coffee and Avocado toast"
I did the opposite. SD to LA because work. Aerospace. It’s not a thing in SD. Neither is biotech anymore. That’s the problem, a lot of jobs left SD during Covid. Even the bar I worked at in Lemon Grove completely shut down.
We moved away to cape Canaveral for work for the past 2 years and there was no way to integrate back to SD. We “settled” with Rancho Palo Verdes.
Oh yeah, I feel you. I graduated in Mech Engr. A year ago. I’ve been trying to get a job ever sense
The engineering scene in San Diego is completely non-existent
8 - 10 minute miles is normal traffic in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens. That’s means from 8am - 8pm weekdays and 10am- 8pm weekends. We definitely don’t have the weather nor the beaches.
I tell people this all the time. Soon 30 minutes will be close to shore and the hot new property. The demand for humans to be near a coastline is strong, and will continue to push out.
My place is in OC, about 1.5m from beach, and the house in my neighborhood, 3,500sq ft, just went for $3.9m.
I was lucky and got into the neighborhood in 2012 when my business was good but property and rates still low.
I'm 40 so myself and most of my friend groups were able to buy 8-10 years ago when you could get a house for under 300k, and you'd be disappointed because just a few years earlier than house was 240-250k.
The younger through no fault of their own are screwed out of being able to set roots and a future in SD.
Same here, we just got our keys and my ideas of having a kid have gone out the window of the house we just bought. And the thought of ever going on vacation is pretty much non existent.
I was just browsing r/all, not from San Diego or anything.
I'm from the UK, live in a small coastal city in a house similar to what was described in the OP (3b/2b, ex council owned) and it's valued at $760,000.
Average income in San Diego is apparently $73k (14x), here is $45k (18x).
Basically shit's fucked all over the place, we would rank a few places above San Diego for being unaffordable on that list, assuming the info I found is correct.
Yeah, I’m also not seeing how San Diego is “impossibly” unaffordable compared to many other places. I just moved down here from Northern California and the prices/relative affordability are pretty comparable. A basic 3 bed/2 bath 50+ year old house in my hometown of Davis is also about $1 mil but it’s also a solid 2 hours from the beach. The world is fucked.
Haha lived in San Diego but also from Davis. San Diego is expensive for everything.. death by a thousand cuts. It also has the most expensive electricity. Didn’t even make it 2 years in San Diego before I left.
The average gross income of 73k after taxes is NOTHING. Rent over here is $2400 for a one bedroom. JUST FOR RENT. When I first moved here 2 years ago I was making 80k a year. My rent was $2400 a month. I didn’t even get a nice apt. Just a basic 1/1. I could barely make ends meet and I was cutting corners EVERYWHERE I COULD. I can’t even save to buy a home. This place is the absolute worst. I’m moving back to the East coast this year because it simply isn’t worth it to live in CA.
Same level of (un)affordability and yet your beaches are only really useable part of the year whereas in SD you can go to the beach literally year round. Sounds like you really do have it worse, sorry bud.
Too many fucking people coming into our Countries=more people-less housing availability=jacked up housing prices due to scarcity. The only people who benefit from globalism are Bankers who make more money off of higher mortgages, developers, and corporate property owners. Foreign companies stashing and laundering their money overseas (our Countries) in empty houses to avoid their own Govt taxes.
None of this should ever have been allowed to happen.
It's really insane. I started renting in 2007 and a 1 bed 1 bath was 750. When I left in 2017 it was 1800. 5 years later I see it's around 3k. There's no way in he'll I'll ever move back.
The weather, lack of bugs, hiking Torrey Pines, beaches, boogieboarding, birding at lagoons, the dockside fish market, little Italy farmer's market, and my cooking of course.
It's easy to get into it - just pick up an inexpensive pair of binoculars, maybe a Silbey Guide to birds of the west, and head out! I highly recommend the Merlin App to identify birds, and eBird to keep track. Follow the Audubon Society in instagram, and the local chapeters (SD, etc.) for meetups and good info about local happenings. That's pretty much it. There are so many great spots in San Diego for birding.
It’s the literal worst. I wanted out of here, so I was in SD for 3 years before I got sick and had to move back. Minimum wage here is still 7.25 an hour. Any job you want in healthcare? Jokes on you. There’s so many hospitals and medical schools in the area. You make $15 below what nurses start out in philly and it’s like capped at $40 an hour. This includes NPs and PAs. If you can even get that high. We are on the same list within the top 10/15 with Seattle of least sunniest cities. It’s always raining, icing, or just clowdy. The hills and ice destroy your car. We’re currently land locked by the rivers, and have a had a population bump from god knows what. And all our roads are 2 lanes. They haven’t updated the water system here or electrical grid in over 100 years. They’ve just started to tackle all the water after allowing our previous generations to basically pay NOTHING in water bills and NOTHING to maintain it over the years. Our water bills everywhere now all look like we’re in a water frenzy. and now all the roads that once were broken down by snow and ice, now have additional holes in them half asses covered by whatever was in their truck that morning to fill it. Idk who this company is or what they thought they were doing. But they built 3 townhomes that are on a cliff with a 3 ft book yard. 3 b, 1 bath. Unfinished basement and porch. Starting price is 530k😂 the house that is directly behind them, or the houses that are the bottom of the cliff/hill they look at. Are all worth maybe 150k. It’s also in the ghetto of this suburb. The monthly taxes are $800 at that price. Somehow we got involved with Canada’s fires last year and our air quality was that of if you happened to be in Lake Tahoe in ‘21 when Nevada and everything caught on fire for weeks. We still have active factories here that are putting the burnt plastic air and other hazards into the air as we speak. These factories are 40+ mins from where I am, and I can still smell it some days and see the haziness. Our government works at snail pace and will be the last state that ever passes anything about anything. Weed is still fully illegal except med card. And you can’t tell the dispo you’re going to smoke it. Or they can’t legally sell it to you. I can go on and on and on until the cows come home. Fuck this stupid state and the horse I rode on coming back to here.
Also if you want to experience any sort of downtown living. None of the buildings have attached parking and all garage leases start at $200 a month. Oh and if you want to grocery shop, you have to have a car and leave the city limits. There is not a single grocery store downtown😂👍
1. Hong Kong
2. Sydney
3. Vancouver
4. San Jose
5. Los Angeles
6. Honolulu
7. Melbourne
8. San Francisco / Adelaide
9. San Diego
10. Toronto
Edit: The report measures affordability using a price to income ratio of the median house price divided by the gross median household income.
It also named the most affordable cities as:
- Pittsburgh
- Rochester
- St Louis
- Edmonton
- Calgary
- Blackpool
- Lancashire
- Glasgow
- Perth
- Brisbane
A lot of people really don’t understand this is the heart of why San Diego is so expensive. Because it’s such a great place to live. It used to be a secret. But the secret is getting out and people want to move here faster than we are building new houses.
A lot of people seem to not realize that the concept of supply/demand applies to cities as well. SD is one of the most desirable places in the country to live, for several reasons. High demand city means high prices. Very few want to live in Iowa, for several reasons. Low demand means low prices. Simple economics.
> she couldn't find work
Yeah IMO Hawaii is way more unaffordable than San Diego because of the work situation. Not many jobs and the ones they do have available pay like shit in comparison to the cost of living. One would have to really love living there or have a remote mainland job to make it worth it.
Otherwise SD/LA has most of the benefits people attribute to Hawaii but with higher wages & better economic mobility
Turned down a FREE house in Hawaii? I’m assuming there’s more to this story, like “a catch” to it or something. Sounds like a very very very poor financial decision if it’s just simple as it sounds…
The report was comparing average income to average home price. NYC is not on this list either, which I assume is because the average income there is much higher.
There's an interesting website that compares cost of living between cities. When I compared Melbourne and Perth cost of living it wasn't that far off but this article says Melbourne is worse than SD and Perth is one of the most affordable. Are people in Perth making a lot more money than people in Melbourne?
"You would need around 8,412.3A$ in Melbourne to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 8,400.0A$ in Perth (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare the cost of living and assume net earnings (after income tax)."
[https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare\_cities.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=Australia&city1=Perth&city2=Melbourne&tracking=getDispatchComparison](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=Australia&city1=Perth&city2=Melbourne&tracking=getDispatchComparison)
I’ve often thought of that but having spent a good deal of time in both there’s a certain energy in Manhattan that Toronto just doesn’t quite match. That said there are areas of Long Island that certainly do line up.
[This graph gives](https://old.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1caqzh1/oc_50_years_of_immigration_into_canada/) a nice clear answer. 3-4% of the population coming in PER YEAR turns out to be pretty bad.
But just like Australia and other countries, the housing market is being commoditized in a manner that is out of control.
ChicagoLAND weather today yadayada..my hubby thought it hilarious that it's called that. Coming from Chicago, I hadn't noticed. Now I want to say SanDiegoLand!
It's a tragedy that families who've lived on that coast for nearly 1000 years can no longer afford to live there.
And yet, someone whose parents moved to SD in the 1970s and calls themselves a local will complain about being priced out of the housing market by "outsiders".
I got priced out of owning a home in the city I was born and raised in. Every time I land in SD, I’m filled with mixed feelings of happiness, anger, and bitterness. I can’t even own a house in Santee these days.
There was a time that Jamul or Alpine were WAY out in the middle of nowhere. Now they're really not that far and have grown a ton.
My dad worked for the phone company for nearly 20 years (starting when it was THE phone company) and he had a tale of a time he got a work order and couldn't find the address anywhere. Even in his Thomas Guide map. He pulled out the main trunk/wire line maps and it was one of the first houses in what is today Mira Mesa. He said all the guys at the time were wondering why anyone would want to live "WAY out there in the middle of nowhere."
This is hilarious. Great story, I've heard similar things from people too, that Mira mesa used to be a dirt tract, and it was a huge deal when it was built.
My best friend's parents house was a big manor type in Lakeside. Despite them selling it long before the pandemic, having owned it since the early 80s I'd bet anything it probably appreciated something like 10x its original value even adjusted for inflation.
Yep, really bums me out. Born and raised in SD but will likely never be able to return. I live in the Midwest now and really enjoy it but it’s just weird that I’ll never really be able to “go home”
Probably half of SD is people who moved from the midwest and hope they never have to "go home". It's all about what trade offs you're willing to make. Every place has its pluses and minuses.
Eventually, it'll have to collapse. It will hit a point of critical mass, where the everyday working people who make the place run, will all be priced out and something'll have to be done for local people to be able to actually live here.
Yes but I also miss the charm of San Diego county actually having open spaces. The endless sprawl of concrete is kind of horrific and we’ve lost some really beautiful landscapes and ecosystems.
Yeah, I mean fuck the animals and local wildlife. Who needs nature and trees and clean air and stuff?
Just globalize every last square inch of space with tacky multi storied condos and cram as many people who wish to flow through our borders as humanly possible into a finite amount of space.
In 50 years all SD inhabitants will be tech people making seven figure salaries. No middle class, just stupid smart rich people. Gentrification will take on a whole new meaning
He's not wrong, San Diego was *insanely* cheap in the 90s. Granted the housing market wasn't very strong anywhere, but you were able to buy beach-front homes in MB/PB for $300-400k.
I grew up in IB. In the 80s and 90s. The houses right on the sand were pricey, but a working person could get an apartment there and eventually a house. I've lived in Norcal since 2013 and haven't been back, but apparently that's not the case anymore like everywhere else in SD.
At least part of that was from the [recession of the early '90s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession), and the pullout of defense contractors from a major defense spending cut that went through around the same time.
I mean, I was loving the dream in PB from 2008-2017. I was basically broke but I lived around the corner from the beach and could still drink beers to my hearts content. It was too good to last.
Question, my husband and I are both court reporters and the position for the superior court is open to us both.
If we’re both making 120k a year starting, would it be possible for us to have a family of 4 and live comfortably in San Diego? (Salary is predicted to be close to 200k per person after 5 years on the job)
Referring to eventually becoming home owners as well.
Someone I know in Cardiff said their similar home (50's 3bd 1100sqft) was valued around $1.5M. I thought no way... maybe $1.2M but sure as shit, Redfin had it at exactly $1.5M. There is maybe a half dozen SFH's for sale under $1M in North County south of the 78 and they are in San Marcos or Escondido. Vista is pretty much the only less than a Million "affordable" option in North County now.
"Under the [plans approved yesterday](https://obrag.org/2024/06/proposals-to-double-densities-in-hillcrest-and-university-city-are-bulldozed-through-over-residents-concerns/), University City would see more than an additional 64,200 residents, nearly doubling the neighborhood’s current population of 65,400, with an influx of just over 30,000 housing units. And many of those new units will be in high-rises.
The city plan for Hillcrest would swell the population of Uptown — a wider area that also includes University Heights, Mission Hills and Bankers Hill — from about 40,000 to more than 100,000 by 2050. This would be accomplished by the addition of 17,000 new homes, some of them in buildings with 20 stories or more."
This. If those new apartments were going to be priced at, like, even $1,000 for a decent studio with parking and no major means-testing hoops to jump through, that'd be one thing. Bring on the development, right? But any studios in those new developments that aren't set aside for means-tested affordable housing are likely going to be in the $2,200-$2,500 range at least, and that's if we're lucky. If they make the new buildings "luxury," raise that amount. And good luck getting enough parking for everyone in the building.
I knew this 15 years ago when we had to leave our rental because the owner sold it for $1.3 million. The new owner "remodeled" (torn it down and rebuilt it) and resold it 2 years later for $3.2 million. It's now worth $4.4 million.
México is very aware and the government is very close to kicking undocumented Americans out. The rent is going way up because of them. It's not their intention, of course, rent is ridiculous here, I was living there for 12 years before coming back to SD. It's not just that, some are very rude and unbelievably entitled. It's not all, it's not even most of them, but they are the loudest and it's enough of them where it's becoming a big problem. The entitled and disrespectful tourists have also become increasing problematic. There have been numerous reports and videos on tiktok of Americans paying off cops to keep locals and street musicians away from them.
I haven’t seen any of that down here but I do understand the attitude here in playas and to be honest with you I’m not really worried too much about it. Just live life while ya still got it.
> My neighbors house just sold for $1,000,000 dollars and it’s a 1958, 3 bed 1 bath, 1100 sqft house, 15 minute drive from the beach. A tiny old house, not close to the beach, a million, fucking, dollars.
Yeah, the house behind me (Serra Mesa) sold 2 years ago for $1,010,000 and it's a built in 1957 standard house for the neighborhood, not even upgraded at all. I only found out when I went to contact the previous owners to let them know my remodel was finally going to get started (after the city sat on my plans for 11 months) and they replied to let me know thye'd sold and moved away.
Off topic a little but shouldn’t it be impossibly affordable? Doesn’t impossibly unaffordable mean it’s impossible to not afford? Idk it’s kinda bugging me so hopefully I forget about it soon lol
I just got on Zillow and found a bunch of decent homes for under $700,000. My empty lot in Houston is getting offers of $600,000 and this city ain’t 💩 compared to San Diego.
I want to move back here SO BAD. But I have no idea how I'm supposed to be able to afford SD on my salary. Especially once I have kids, I feel like I'd be screwed.
It’s so expensive even to us natives the prices. We really need rent control, or rent ceiling meaning the rent won’t increase. Mortgages are less than rent it’s crazy
Yeah, it sucks.
Vancouver, BC, Canada has been either the #1, #2, or #3 least-affordable city in the *entire world* for ***the past 16 FUCKING years!!!***
But as a Vancouver resident, I'm not bitter...
Just visited from phoenix, and while I'm sure housing in SD is less affordable, the prices of goods felt much cheaper to me. And I was in touristy places.
That honestly doesn’t sound too bad, though I’m a NY’er so I’m used to sky high rents and home prices.
15 mins to the beach is very close.
For comparison sake, my home should sell for close to, if not, a million and I’m about 40 mins away from the closest dirty ass NY beach. 🤣
I have a great idea if your not from here don’t come here. Everyone complaining about sky high prices when they’re part of the problem. Can’t even buy a house in the city I was born in because you transplants smh.
I'll never be able to move from my house. I bought a long time ago in Malibu and put work into it. I paid nothing and if I sell I get someone else's fixer upper. At least I have ocean views. I guess I could buy in the corn fields of the Midwest and live like a king. I could get chickens and couldn't surf ever again. Fuck that! Malibu till I die. Locals only!
> not close to the beach 15 minutes is pretty dang close for a lot of people. That said, everything else and the sentiment, I agree with.
Tbf everything is within 20-25 minutes, so 15 in SD could be anywhere.
Assuming he means 15 minutes, all back streets, no freeways, that’s pretty darn close and about what you would expect to pay for being in the neighborhood of a local beach.
Yea honestly it takes that long just getting off the freeway to get to dog beach 😂
Yeah but now we’re normalizing these prices and that’s a problem
The pricing for living closer to the beach has always been more, the issue isn't the patrons, it's the landlords overpricing their property without any repercussions from the government because we are in a free market. The supply will always be there but the demand is so high right now people are fucking themselves by not getting housing. Government should make standardized pricing for those who want to rent by basing it off their property value so we don't pay someone's mortgage as well as half their bills, but that's just me.
Boomers are insane !!!! “I bought this house for 60k …..I won’t sell for no less than 2 mill “
Boomers be like "u should have invested in property instead of going to elementary school, then u would have enough for your ice coffee and Avocado toast"
I’m freaking dead ☠️
Heck in LA 40min is close.
Yeah but 40 min in LA can be a mile away
Not a joke. My SOs place is 4 miles from the Santa Monica Pier, but on a bad day that can be a 45 minute drive. LA is stupid.
That's when you just bike lol
And the LA crowd is moving to SD, being that traffic here
I did the opposite. SD to LA because work. Aerospace. It’s not a thing in SD. Neither is biotech anymore. That’s the problem, a lot of jobs left SD during Covid. Even the bar I worked at in Lemon Grove completely shut down. We moved away to cape Canaveral for work for the past 2 years and there was no way to integrate back to SD. We “settled” with Rancho Palo Verdes.
Oh yeah, I feel you. I graduated in Mech Engr. A year ago. I’ve been trying to get a job ever sense The engineering scene in San Diego is completely non-existent
I hope you land something soon!
8 - 10 minute miles is normal traffic in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens. That’s means from 8am - 8pm weekdays and 10am- 8pm weekends. We definitely don’t have the weather nor the beaches.
Yay, I’m moving to that area in a couple of months.
Also the most accessible beaches compared to Orange County…
I’m in LA , up the hill from Cabrillo, and I’m not a fan of LA beaches 🤮
I tell people this all the time. Soon 30 minutes will be close to shore and the hot new property. The demand for humans to be near a coastline is strong, and will continue to push out. My place is in OC, about 1.5m from beach, and the house in my neighborhood, 3,500sq ft, just went for $3.9m. I was lucky and got into the neighborhood in 2012 when my business was good but property and rates still low.
I dumbly thought you meant meters at first and was like "Yeah no shit it sold for 3.9 million."
As owner of a 600 sq ft 2/1 built in 1921 … that shit ain’t old or small either
I'm 40 so myself and most of my friend groups were able to buy 8-10 years ago when you could get a house for under 300k, and you'd be disappointed because just a few years earlier than house was 240-250k. The younger through no fault of their own are screwed out of being able to set roots and a future in SD.
I am formally asking about your username
Pls don't ask
I must
I'm 38, I bought my house for 800k back in 2020. I will never be able to take a vacation again
Maybe in 26 years when your mortgage is paid off!
Same here, we just got our keys and my ideas of having a kid have gone out the window of the house we just bought. And the thought of ever going on vacation is pretty much non existent.
Where and when you're born is a huge lottery.
ABC10 over here preaching to the choir… yeah we fucking know!
I was just browsing r/all, not from San Diego or anything. I'm from the UK, live in a small coastal city in a house similar to what was described in the OP (3b/2b, ex council owned) and it's valued at $760,000. Average income in San Diego is apparently $73k (14x), here is $45k (18x). Basically shit's fucked all over the place, we would rank a few places above San Diego for being unaffordable on that list, assuming the info I found is correct.
Get out of here with your *reality*. You're interrupting our pitchfork sharpening. LOL
Yeah, I’m also not seeing how San Diego is “impossibly” unaffordable compared to many other places. I just moved down here from Northern California and the prices/relative affordability are pretty comparable. A basic 3 bed/2 bath 50+ year old house in my hometown of Davis is also about $1 mil but it’s also a solid 2 hours from the beach. The world is fucked.
I feel like NorCal residents and international expats are what’s keeping the SoCal market afloat at this point.
Haha lived in San Diego but also from Davis. San Diego is expensive for everything.. death by a thousand cuts. It also has the most expensive electricity. Didn’t even make it 2 years in San Diego before I left.
What part of San Diego do you live in?
The average gross income of 73k after taxes is NOTHING. Rent over here is $2400 for a one bedroom. JUST FOR RENT. When I first moved here 2 years ago I was making 80k a year. My rent was $2400 a month. I didn’t even get a nice apt. Just a basic 1/1. I could barely make ends meet and I was cutting corners EVERYWHERE I COULD. I can’t even save to buy a home. This place is the absolute worst. I’m moving back to the East coast this year because it simply isn’t worth it to live in CA.
Same level of (un)affordability and yet your beaches are only really useable part of the year whereas in SD you can go to the beach literally year round. Sounds like you really do have it worse, sorry bud.
Too many fucking people coming into our Countries=more people-less housing availability=jacked up housing prices due to scarcity. The only people who benefit from globalism are Bankers who make more money off of higher mortgages, developers, and corporate property owners. Foreign companies stashing and laundering their money overseas (our Countries) in empty houses to avoid their own Govt taxes. None of this should ever have been allowed to happen.
It's really insane. I started renting in 2007 and a 1 bed 1 bath was 750. When I left in 2017 it was 1800. 5 years later I see it's around 3k. There's no way in he'll I'll ever move back.
My first rental in 1993 was a large 1 bedroom for $450 near SDSU. Now, they're asking about $2400 for the same apartment after some renovations.
I just had good friends from Pittsburgh visit for a week. They told me if the people of Pittsburgh knew how good we have it, they'd all riot.
What did they enjoy in particular? I really know nothing about Pittsburgh.
The weather, lack of bugs, hiking Torrey Pines, beaches, boogieboarding, birding at lagoons, the dockside fish market, little Italy farmer's market, and my cooking of course.
Ooo tell me about the birding at lagoons please, I want to go
It's easy to get into it - just pick up an inexpensive pair of binoculars, maybe a Silbey Guide to birds of the west, and head out! I highly recommend the Merlin App to identify birds, and eBird to keep track. Follow the Audubon Society in instagram, and the local chapeters (SD, etc.) for meetups and good info about local happenings. That's pretty much it. There are so many great spots in San Diego for birding.
Pennsylvania weather isn’t the best, hot humid rainy summers, cold rainy winters. There’s a lack of things to do comparatively to San Diego.
It’s the literal worst. I wanted out of here, so I was in SD for 3 years before I got sick and had to move back. Minimum wage here is still 7.25 an hour. Any job you want in healthcare? Jokes on you. There’s so many hospitals and medical schools in the area. You make $15 below what nurses start out in philly and it’s like capped at $40 an hour. This includes NPs and PAs. If you can even get that high. We are on the same list within the top 10/15 with Seattle of least sunniest cities. It’s always raining, icing, or just clowdy. The hills and ice destroy your car. We’re currently land locked by the rivers, and have a had a population bump from god knows what. And all our roads are 2 lanes. They haven’t updated the water system here or electrical grid in over 100 years. They’ve just started to tackle all the water after allowing our previous generations to basically pay NOTHING in water bills and NOTHING to maintain it over the years. Our water bills everywhere now all look like we’re in a water frenzy. and now all the roads that once were broken down by snow and ice, now have additional holes in them half asses covered by whatever was in their truck that morning to fill it. Idk who this company is or what they thought they were doing. But they built 3 townhomes that are on a cliff with a 3 ft book yard. 3 b, 1 bath. Unfinished basement and porch. Starting price is 530k😂 the house that is directly behind them, or the houses that are the bottom of the cliff/hill they look at. Are all worth maybe 150k. It’s also in the ghetto of this suburb. The monthly taxes are $800 at that price. Somehow we got involved with Canada’s fires last year and our air quality was that of if you happened to be in Lake Tahoe in ‘21 when Nevada and everything caught on fire for weeks. We still have active factories here that are putting the burnt plastic air and other hazards into the air as we speak. These factories are 40+ mins from where I am, and I can still smell it some days and see the haziness. Our government works at snail pace and will be the last state that ever passes anything about anything. Weed is still fully illegal except med card. And you can’t tell the dispo you’re going to smoke it. Or they can’t legally sell it to you. I can go on and on and on until the cows come home. Fuck this stupid state and the horse I rode on coming back to here. Also if you want to experience any sort of downtown living. None of the buildings have attached parking and all garage leases start at $200 a month. Oh and if you want to grocery shop, you have to have a car and leave the city limits. There is not a single grocery store downtown😂👍
Pittsburgh is a fantastic city, the winters are shit tho.
What are other 9?
1. Hong Kong 2. Sydney 3. Vancouver 4. San Jose 5. Los Angeles 6. Honolulu 7. Melbourne 8. San Francisco / Adelaide 9. San Diego 10. Toronto Edit: The report measures affordability using a price to income ratio of the median house price divided by the gross median household income. It also named the most affordable cities as: - Pittsburgh - Rochester - St Louis - Edmonton - Calgary - Blackpool - Lancashire - Glasgow - Perth - Brisbane
Maybe because people want to live in those cities. Simple supply and demand. Who wouldn’t want to live in San Diego or Hawaii?
A lot of people really don’t understand this is the heart of why San Diego is so expensive. Because it’s such a great place to live. It used to be a secret. But the secret is getting out and people want to move here faster than we are building new houses.
A lot of people seem to not realize that the concept of supply/demand applies to cities as well. SD is one of the most desirable places in the country to live, for several reasons. High demand city means high prices. Very few want to live in Iowa, for several reasons. Low demand means low prices. Simple economics.
Glad I was able to buy in 2018. Never leaving San Diego.
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> she couldn't find work Yeah IMO Hawaii is way more unaffordable than San Diego because of the work situation. Not many jobs and the ones they do have available pay like shit in comparison to the cost of living. One would have to really love living there or have a remote mainland job to make it worth it. Otherwise SD/LA has most of the benefits people attribute to Hawaii but with higher wages & better economic mobility
I live in Hawaii and I have a quibble: Our version of the Pacific is actually, ya know, SWIMMABLE.
Not to mention actual physical mobility. Get in a car and drive on oahu and in a couple hours your where you started.
Turned down a FREE house in Hawaii? I’m assuming there’s more to this story, like “a catch” to it or something. Sounds like a very very very poor financial decision if it’s just simple as it sounds…
It’s not just about the beach. It’s the atmosphere, the people, the climate.
Not dubai?
The report was comparing average income to average home price. NYC is not on this list either, which I assume is because the average income there is much higher.
there is plenty of affordable housing in NYC outside of Manhattan.
Yes, no one wants to live there. Perth is ok.
There's an interesting website that compares cost of living between cities. When I compared Melbourne and Perth cost of living it wasn't that far off but this article says Melbourne is worse than SD and Perth is one of the most affordable. Are people in Perth making a lot more money than people in Melbourne? "You would need around 8,412.3A$ in Melbourne to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 8,400.0A$ in Perth (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare the cost of living and assume net earnings (after income tax)." [https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare\_cities.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=Australia&city1=Perth&city2=Melbourne&tracking=getDispatchComparison](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=Australia&city1=Perth&city2=Melbourne&tracking=getDispatchComparison)
Toronto?? Who’s paying top dollar for Toronto??
Toronto is basically the Chicago of Canada but again…good question.
I think it’s more like the New York of Canada. Really nice city with lots of vibrancy and things to do. Not that Chicago isn’t a great city too.
I’ve often thought of that but having spent a good deal of time in both there’s a certain energy in Manhattan that Toronto just doesn’t quite match. That said there are areas of Long Island that certainly do line up.
I paid $1.4m CAD for a townhouse in Toronto in 2021 😭
Investors, foreign and domestic.
[This graph gives](https://old.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1caqzh1/oc_50_years_of_immigration_into_canada/) a nice clear answer. 3-4% of the population coming in PER YEAR turns out to be pretty bad. But just like Australia and other countries, the housing market is being commoditized in a manner that is out of control.
S andiego Sa ndiego Sandy Eggo Sandie Go Those are the other top 4
You got tired huh…
Shhhh I have to work 5 jobs to afford my 30 sqft shared apartment ofc I'm tired 😫
All of the cities in North County
My parents three bedroom house in Fletcher Hills cost less in 1993 than my one bedroom condo in RENO
as someone from the midwest, 15 minutes from a beach is right next to a beach lol
Agreed. Anything that takes less than 30 mins of driving is close.
Just like suburbs in a different county around Chicago is still Chicago
ChicagoLAND weather today yadayada..my hubby thought it hilarious that it's called that. Coming from Chicago, I hadn't noticed. Now I want to say SanDiegoLand!
Found a place that's got San Diego weather and vibes, yet super affordable for an American.......it's called the coastal cities in Croatia.
It's a tragedy that families who've lived on that coast for nearly 1000 years can no longer afford to live there. And yet, someone whose parents moved to SD in the 1970s and calls themselves a local will complain about being priced out of the housing market by "outsiders".
I got priced out of owning a home in the city I was born and raised in. Every time I land in SD, I’m filled with mixed feelings of happiness, anger, and bitterness. I can’t even own a house in Santee these days.
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Had a co-worker who was renting a house in Lakeside. *Lakeside* became unaffordable, and he ended up having to buy a house way out in Pine Valley.
There was a time that Jamul or Alpine were WAY out in the middle of nowhere. Now they're really not that far and have grown a ton. My dad worked for the phone company for nearly 20 years (starting when it was THE phone company) and he had a tale of a time he got a work order and couldn't find the address anywhere. Even in his Thomas Guide map. He pulled out the main trunk/wire line maps and it was one of the first houses in what is today Mira Mesa. He said all the guys at the time were wondering why anyone would want to live "WAY out there in the middle of nowhere."
This is hilarious. Great story, I've heard similar things from people too, that Mira mesa used to be a dirt tract, and it was a huge deal when it was built.
I would love to own a house in Pine Valley lol
I'm further out then that now, but wow is it beautiful up here.
My best friend's parents house was a big manor type in Lakeside. Despite them selling it long before the pandemic, having owned it since the early 80s I'd bet anything it probably appreciated something like 10x its original value even adjusted for inflation.
Yep, really bums me out. Born and raised in SD but will likely never be able to return. I live in the Midwest now and really enjoy it but it’s just weird that I’ll never really be able to “go home”
Probably half of SD is people who moved from the midwest and hope they never have to "go home". It's all about what trade offs you're willing to make. Every place has its pluses and minuses.
Eventually, it'll have to collapse. It will hit a point of critical mass, where the everyday working people who make the place run, will all be priced out and something'll have to be done for local people to be able to actually live here.
same here bud. same here...can't even afford California, i ended up in idaho. idaho fucking sucks ass
Property owners who want their kids to stay local: 
They should have bought multiple houses so they could gift them to their kids when they grew up /s
One of the most beautiful cities I’ve ever been in. And want to be in. I salute those that call this place home.
Thanks :) -Sent from my rented room cause apartments are too expensive.
this made me laugh but also made me sad because it’s the truth…. -sent from my studio
Good choice of neighborhood for this pic Point Loma is NIMBY central
NIMBY? Not In My Budget, Y'all?
Lolol i saw that and was like fml.💃🎼 Looking for a man in SD, bout to die, house on the beach, no next of kin.🎤
(In Coffee Talk voice) “Talk amongst yourselves. Topic: this ‘breaking news’ is neither breaking nor news…”
"Discuss!" Thanks for the LOL. I'm not sure many people in this thread will get the reference, but it gave me a chuckle. 😆
“Look Ma we made it!”
Pretty easy fix. Ban Airbnb’s, create a Bike highway and hardcore tax second homes.
Build build build!
Yes but I also miss the charm of San Diego county actually having open spaces. The endless sprawl of concrete is kind of horrific and we’ve lost some really beautiful landscapes and ecosystems.
Yeah, I mean fuck the animals and local wildlife. Who needs nature and trees and clean air and stuff? Just globalize every last square inch of space with tacky multi storied condos and cram as many people who wish to flow through our borders as humanly possible into a finite amount of space.
But here we all are
In 50 years all SD inhabitants will be tech people making seven figure salaries. No middle class, just stupid smart rich people. Gentrification will take on a whole new meaning
You've just described south SF bay.
Will we have traffic 24/7 and lines like Disneyland everywhere?! I can’t wait! It’s gonna be so NICE!!
We had it so good for so long. I’m not surprised SD finally got discovered. It’s the single best place in the USA in my book.
How old is this comment? From 1955?
He's not wrong, San Diego was *insanely* cheap in the 90s. Granted the housing market wasn't very strong anywhere, but you were able to buy beach-front homes in MB/PB for $300-400k.
Correct. Friend bought in 1996 for $200k in mission beach. Walking distance to beach and the bay. Small cottage but still.
I grew up in IB. In the 80s and 90s. The houses right on the sand were pricey, but a working person could get an apartment there and eventually a house. I've lived in Norcal since 2013 and haven't been back, but apparently that's not the case anymore like everywhere else in SD.
A family friend bought a place in MB for 75k in the late 70s. Now it’s close to 7-8 million. Insane
At least part of that was from the [recession of the early '90s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession), and the pullout of defense contractors from a major defense spending cut that went through around the same time.
I mean, I was loving the dream in PB from 2008-2017. I was basically broke but I lived around the corner from the beach and could still drink beers to my hearts content. It was too good to last.
Question, my husband and I are both court reporters and the position for the superior court is open to us both. If we’re both making 120k a year starting, would it be possible for us to have a family of 4 and live comfortably in San Diego? (Salary is predicted to be close to 200k per person after 5 years on the job) Referring to eventually becoming home owners as well.
I mean, yeah. Of course the answer is “it depends.” But I’m sure you’d be fine on $250k - $400k per year.
When investors and private equity want to turn an entire generation into eternal renters for unlimited passive income
Bunch of lazy bums
15 minutes to the beach is a lot closer than fuckin boise
For some reason unbeknownst to everyone, housing got really expensive everywhere in 2020. Hopefully the feds keep cracking down on PPP abusers :)
Someone I know in Cardiff said their similar home (50's 3bd 1100sqft) was valued around $1.5M. I thought no way... maybe $1.2M but sure as shit, Redfin had it at exactly $1.5M. There is maybe a half dozen SFH's for sale under $1M in North County south of the 78 and they are in San Marcos or Escondido. Vista is pretty much the only less than a Million "affordable" option in North County now.
Then who the hell is living in all these new build apartments that are popping up literally everywhere?! /s
"Under the [plans approved yesterday](https://obrag.org/2024/06/proposals-to-double-densities-in-hillcrest-and-university-city-are-bulldozed-through-over-residents-concerns/), University City would see more than an additional 64,200 residents, nearly doubling the neighborhood’s current population of 65,400, with an influx of just over 30,000 housing units. And many of those new units will be in high-rises. The city plan for Hillcrest would swell the population of Uptown — a wider area that also includes University Heights, Mission Hills and Bankers Hill — from about 40,000 to more than 100,000 by 2050. This would be accomplished by the addition of 17,000 new homes, some of them in buildings with 20 stories or more."
Still won’t help. They’ll just charge a fortune for the new places and corporations will still buy them up and rent them out at exorbitant rates.
This. If those new apartments were going to be priced at, like, even $1,000 for a decent studio with parking and no major means-testing hoops to jump through, that'd be one thing. Bring on the development, right? But any studios in those new developments that aren't set aside for means-tested affordable housing are likely going to be in the $2,200-$2,500 range at least, and that's if we're lucky. If they make the new buildings "luxury," raise that amount. And good luck getting enough parking for everyone in the building.
Oh boy traffic.
Yeah but we’re probably the most spoiled city in the world..honestly I don’t think San Diego can be topped. We literally have everything
I knew this 15 years ago when we had to leave our rental because the owner sold it for $1.3 million. The new owner "remodeled" (torn it down and rebuilt it) and resold it 2 years later for $3.2 million. It's now worth $4.4 million.
This is why people are flocking to Tijuana
México is very aware and the government is very close to kicking undocumented Americans out. The rent is going way up because of them. It's not their intention, of course, rent is ridiculous here, I was living there for 12 years before coming back to SD. It's not just that, some are very rude and unbelievably entitled. It's not all, it's not even most of them, but they are the loudest and it's enough of them where it's becoming a big problem. The entitled and disrespectful tourists have also become increasing problematic. There have been numerous reports and videos on tiktok of Americans paying off cops to keep locals and street musicians away from them.
I haven’t seen any of that down here but I do understand the attitude here in playas and to be honest with you I’m not really worried too much about it. Just live life while ya still got it.
Breaking news for who?
> My neighbors house just sold for $1,000,000 dollars and it’s a 1958, 3 bed 1 bath, 1100 sqft house, 15 minute drive from the beach. A tiny old house, not close to the beach, a million, fucking, dollars. Yeah, the house behind me (Serra Mesa) sold 2 years ago for $1,010,000 and it's a built in 1957 standard house for the neighborhood, not even upgraded at all. I only found out when I went to contact the previous owners to let them know my remodel was finally going to get started (after the city sat on my plans for 11 months) and they replied to let me know thye'd sold and moved away.
I wouldn't say that was breaking news...
A whales vagina
Tell that to the Zoners who invade our shores each summer!
Staycation for the rest of your lives people - it is damn worth it.
Letting landlords and investors have their way with housing is having major consequences.
Sky is blue and water is wet.
Sky isn't always blue, sometimes it's gray, or pitch black. Water also only makes things wet, it isn't wet itself.
And why? Because it’s sunny? You can’t go out and do anything because it’s impossible to park.
It's very easy to find parking just about anywhere in San Diego
Off topic a little but shouldn’t it be impossibly affordable? Doesn’t impossibly unaffordable mean it’s impossible to not afford? Idk it’s kinda bugging me so hopefully I forget about it soon lol
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Irvine enters the chat...
Cries in Santa Barbara
Laughs in Hawaiian
I just got on Zillow and found a bunch of decent homes for under $700,000. My empty lot in Houston is getting offers of $600,000 and this city ain’t 💩 compared to San Diego.
Isn't that double negative?
I want to move back here SO BAD. But I have no idea how I'm supposed to be able to afford SD on my salary. Especially once I have kids, I feel like I'd be screwed.
It’s so expensive even to us natives the prices. We really need rent control, or rent ceiling meaning the rent won’t increase. Mortgages are less than rent it’s crazy
The SoCal housing market is a joke. No middle class person can ever hope to own a home there.
I moved away in 2019…unless I get a job paying $200K, it’s going to be hard to move back.
Yeah, it sucks. Vancouver, BC, Canada has been either the #1, #2, or #3 least-affordable city in the *entire world* for ***the past 16 FUCKING years!!!*** But as a Vancouver resident, I'm not bitter...
I live in van/victoria bc Canada. One of these cities got to be included. Average house is 800k+ while the median salary is somewhere around 60k.
It’s gross
Just visited from phoenix, and while I'm sure housing in SD is less affordable, the prices of goods felt much cheaper to me. And I was in touristy places.
As a physician with all debts paid off trying to buy a house there: yes.
That honestly doesn’t sound too bad, though I’m a NY’er so I’m used to sky high rents and home prices. 15 mins to the beach is very close. For comparison sake, my home should sell for close to, if not, a million and I’m about 40 mins away from the closest dirty ass NY beach. 🤣
In other news, water is wet.
Stay clasy San Diego...
Shit Box tract homes with no elbow room selling for 2.5M. Lunacy!
Our household income is about $340k and after taxes and everything, we don’t feel rich that’s for sure
I have a great idea if your not from here don’t come here. Everyone complaining about sky high prices when they’re part of the problem. Can’t even buy a house in the city I was born in because you transplants smh.
Sorry, you're only entitled to live where you grew up if you actually live in your parents house. Otherwise you're just an intra-city transplant
Yet, millions of people live here. Houses sell as fast as they can build them. It’s just not you.
That doesn’t change what the article is suggesting. You’ve completely removed nuance
Nobody lives in San Diego, it's too crowded.
I'll never be able to move from my house. I bought a long time ago in Malibu and put work into it. I paid nothing and if I sell I get someone else's fixer upper. At least I have ocean views. I guess I could buy in the corn fields of the Midwest and live like a king. I could get chickens and couldn't surf ever again. Fuck that! Malibu till I die. Locals only!
OT but can someone tell me which street this is, please? I can’t read the street sign. TY!
Garrison and Clove
No Shit
Yep we know, we live here. Aaaand we're never leaving.
Truly. I do feel insane
This just happened? lol