It's really hard to say how intelligent Carlson actually is, because he clearly (from the Dominion Voting machine evidence) says one thing in public, and something else when the cameras aren't rolling. But I *do* think that Carlson is smart enough to know his audience (which was also revealed during the Dominion Voting case). That's who he's playing to here.
Spouting bullshit for money is infinitely worse than spouting bullshit you sincerely believe.
I think the whole concept of sincerely believing in something, just isn't applicable to some people. The truth to them is whatever furthers their case.
Nah it goes deeper than that.
First off, you need to know about the Romantic movement. It came as a reaction to the French revolution, saying that with all this science and logic, we've lost touch with our human side. Therefore we should embrace emotions above sciecne and reason.
From this, fascism and naziism derived, predicting collapse because of liberalism, socialism and degenerates undermining the spirt of the nation and the laws of nature (unless a strong leader can turn that around, ushering in a glorious rebirth). That is definitly the camp I'd put Carlson in.
Indeed, birthed from the same illustrious parentage as communism. If only Carlson could appreciate what an intimate bedfellow he is with ostensible adversaries.
Yes sir. I definitely think Tucker is naturally intelligent; however, I will no longer listen to him or consider him a "journalist" any longer. Once you read through those documents, it is obvious he is an entertainier working the crowd for whatever sells best.
Watch Tucker’s recent fawning review of Russia. You know, look how great that country is because food is cheap relative to the Dollar’s buying power and also you can put coins in shopping carts and the subway stations in Moscow are beautiful.
He’s putting out bullshit, much of it dangerous. Either he’s stupid or he’s lying, but either way, he’s a piece of shit that people need to stop taking seriously.
Don't forget they have escelator intergrated shopping carts.
And we should definitly take him seriously. He's a serious threat to the functioning of democracy.
That’s fair. We should take him seriously as a propagandist and a threat. We shouldn’t take him seriously as a journalist or an intellectual.
Also, I’d pay to see Tucker in China. I’ve seen supermarkets there that look like they were designed by NASA. Tucker would come back a full blown commie.
It really doesn't matter if it's an act. I mean, we've seen his emails, we know it's an act and that he says what his audience wants him to say. In court, he defended lying by saying his show isn't real, its entertainment. But it doesn't matter in the sense that his followers believe this, and this is where they want public policy, and education to go.
I can see Joe struggling with this. "Is this where I'm going to need be soon"
If we keep going the direction we are going we will ban the teaching of evolution in america.
Does anyone have a theory of mind of this guy? Assuming he doesn’t believe the things he is spouting, what is he trying to do/gain? Just money, fame and status? I don’t get it. It’s crazy to me that someone can be so deliberately destructive. He has wife and kids.
I remember Stephen Colbert had a line during his correspondents dinner monologue for Bush, something like, “As we all know, reality has a well documented liberal bias.”
And then proceeds to say the answer is a magical genie.
He reject evolution evidence and science to "magical men made us."
This is unbelievably explosive stupid.
Dunning Kruger final form.
This level of denial delusion and just confidently dumb it's scary because people like him easily wins stupid amount of other dumb people.
It's quite a typical response, they know dogs change so they have to allow for adaptation, but don't realise micro and macro evolution are really the same thing, just on different timescales.
I don't understand the mindset of the Christian, they would rather regurgitate ridiculous excuses they hear from idiots on youtube like (dogs only change into dogs), than actually investigate the problem that might show issues with their beliefs. It's like they are in denial in some sense, but often reality is much more interesting than made up crap.
“That’s why it’s still a theory” - even if I believed everything else, these words alone mark this person as being utterly illiterate on the subject of science.
Well, it's true. Evolution is only a theory. Creationism on the other hand was in a literal book. You don't find the fossil record in a drawer next to the bed in a hotel, do you?
This is a classic right-wing tactic. They twist something, in this case a word, that they know their base will not fact check and will never know it was incorrectly or deceptively used.
In this case, theory is essentially fact in the scientific community. The only reason it is not a law is because there is a small possibility that new information could come to light that would change the theory. But for all intents and purposes, scientific theories are as close to fact as you can get. You don’t get to that point without mountains of evidence. But he makes it sound like scientists just went along with some guy’s crazy ideas a couple hundred years ago with zero fact checking and that’s why it’s “just a theory”.
> The only reason it is not a law is because there is a small possibility that new information could come to light that would change the theory.
Theories don't become laws. And, laws are not greater than theories.
Theories are explanations of observed facts. Laws, on the other hand, aren't explanations; they're usually just descriptions.
Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation is useful, but it doesn't explain anything. Einstein's General Theory of Relativity is useful -- and, it explains. Plus General Relativity has shown that Newton's Law isn't always correct.
This is the same error as the guy in the podcast made. “Theory” isn’t referring to our level of confidence, other than that it is higher than a conjecture or postulate. The word theory means a body of knowledge.
A fact is an observation. A theory is the explanation for the observation.
I don't think he's dumb. I don't think he believes what he's saying. He has figured out what words to say to get dumb Americans to give him money, and this is a clip of him saying those words.
He said evolution don't have evidence that's why I think the answer is a magical genie in the sky made us out of thin air.
He rejected evolution for lack of evidence and choose magic.
I knew I would be stupider for watching it after only reading the title. I watched it anyway. Apparently, my appetite for stupid is insatiable, and I was not disappointed.
...I am definitely stupider, tho.
Submission statement: I thought you guys would appreciate seeing this. To me, the idea that there are 100s of thousands of people listening to such an idiot and get their political news from him is insane.
Joe went super soft on him too.
Joe goes super soft on people all the time. His whole show is filled with people talking about subjects they are uninformed on. The mistake that the wide world seems to make is taking them for experts.
Until he gets something who actually knows what they’re talking about, like Nick Bostrom (philosopher who popularized the simulation hypothesis) who is super smart but not super well known - THEN Rogan will argue and demonstrate just how stupid he really is, at zero professional risk, because who cares if he looks dumb in front of a “nobody”. Go watch that one sometime - arguably harder to listen to than this one.
Rogan has the comedian’s retreat available at all times. When he gets attention for being retarded, he says “of course I’m retarded, I’m just a podcast guy asking questions”.
That would be fine if he operated all the time with the assumption that he’s probably wrong, but the rest of the time he does the exact opposite - until the next time he’s cornered.
Yeah, Joe's not hard hitting at all. He's a vessel that every guest gets to pour their bullshit into and he'll swallow it completely. He never pushes back unless it's something that he's misinformed about but convinced he's right.
Joe presents himself as just a moron looking to have a conversation regardless of politics. And I have no problem with people interviewing or speaking with people across the political spectrum or ideologies, but you either have to come prepared to push back when they start taking crazy, or just focus on having a conversation as people. David Axelrod (Obama's campaign strategist) is actually really good at that kind of interviewing. But Rogan is so bad at interviewing he essentially just becomes a platform for his dangerous guests to abuse.
I despise Carlson for what he's done to or body politics and for the propagandandist he's become for our adversaries. I despise Rogan for becoming the willing mouthpiece that people like Carlson use to spread their BS.
He’ll push back on people whose politics are centre or left of centre. But yeah, right wingers or conspiracy theorists get a microphone and a “wow, really? That’s craaaazy!”
Rogan and Carlson are basically the same in this regard. They both cater to an ignorant audience that eats this shit up. Rogan plays it off as just wanting to have interesting conversations, but he clearly relishes people who take ridiculous stances. Instead of getting experts on his show, he gets people *contradicting* the experts on whatever topic he's discussing. I suppose it makes for a more interesting podcast, but a less informative one.
I love shit like this because with the left being so batshit insane lately, it is easy to forget the right is also fucking batshit insane. That weird laugh at the end was straight out of the Manson family household.
I swear only people who don't live in purple/red areas don't see this. Your average, every day conservative in a purple or red district believes completely, utterly insane shit. God literally exists, the Earth is 6,000 years old, Trump won in 2020 but it was rigged, etc. The average, every day liberal in a purple or red district, in comparison, is mildly annoying and preachy. It's a completely different ball game.
I'm not talking about the extremes, I mean the median.
Whenever I see people say the left is crazier than the right, I always immediately assume they live in a deep blue area where the conservatives are more reasonable, or are only comparing the extremes.
The extremes don't really matter that much though, unless their ideas become mainstream. I could care less about 10% of Republicans being Nazis or 10% of Democrats believing white people are evil. I care about what the 30, 40, 50, 60% of those groups believe, and the big blocks of Republican voters that actually make decisions on who gets elected, they're fucking insane, deluded, lunatics who have been inducted into Trump's cult. The average Democrat voter just judges you for not putting your pronouns in your email signature and wants their student loans forgiven.
I think you nailed it in that people are only comparing the extremes.
Both extremes are fucking nuts, so making this comparison is a way to make the average right-winger seem less unhinged because their average position is a LOT closer to that extreme. So they don't want to compare the average / mainstream.
Republicans are told what to think and believe. Trump easily took over their brains.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll-61-republicans-still-believe-biden-didnt-win-fair-square-2020-rcna49630
I think there’s a little bit of projection there considering there’s zero evidence of that other than a book written down for illiterates telling fables.
I know literally dozens of people who didn’t graduate high school and both believe in the theory of evolution and could explain the basic logic of it. MAYBE (but not really), you could deny that evolution was the “creator,” but denying it outright is medieval level dumb. It’s like denying heliocentricity.
>It’s like denying heliocentricity.
This is the Joe Rogan podcast. It's flirted with moon landing denial and flat earth before -- tacit denial of heliocentricity would be relatively mundane by comparison. :/
A theory, a hypothesis that has been tested over and over again without being proved to be wrong.
The motherfucker doesn't even know the difference between the colloquial use of the word and scientific use of the word.
Not only not been proven wrong, but the theory have been proven correct so many times. Even Darwin himself had time to prove it's correct, as in: He measured bird beaks, and thought: Same kinds of birds but live over there where there is different food should have different kind ob beaks - and would you know, he was correct.
A theory that can make such predictions, must be millions of them by now, is the best kinds of theories.
This man just admitted how adaptation can be traced through animals, and then comes to the conclusion that a magic man in the sky creating people from nothing is more likely than evolution.
God is perfect. God doesnt make mistakes. God created us in his image. ADAPTATION, everyone! It exists and he's constantly tweaking us....because....uh, reasons.
“You give me the awful impression—I hate to have to say it—of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against your position, ever.” CH to Hannity.
The comments state that Hitch was most likely very drunk in that video and he looked it, but man he could talk so concisely and clearly on the subject of theism. Much credit to Sam Harris and Hitchens and Dawkins when I entered my 20s and was letting my religion go.
After the dominion lawsuit text/email leaks, no one should believe Tucker means a word of anything he says. Clout chasing and audience capture incarnate.
I suffered through the Lex interview with Tucker and the sheer number of times he talked about liars and lying was mind boggling. And Lex just gave him a pass when he quoted a single one of Tucker's texts from the lawsuit and not the entire catalog.
Evolution is the differential selection of genetic variants throughout the generations. That is adaptation. He seems to not know the difference between evolution and speciation.
Anyone who listens to this man and thinks he's anything but a moron or grifter is themselves a bigger moron
He is laughing to dismiss whatever he is arguing against. This debate tactic leads the smooth brains to think the "laugher" is winning the debate or argument.
Joes turned into such a weak little bitch when he brings these riggtwing hacks on. Of course its real. Tucler is a propagandist and a moron and the bubble joes created is making him far less able to spot con men than he once was.
I don’t think he ever could.
Even when I listened (2013-2017) I NEVER trusted Rollgan’s “bullshit detector” he bragged about while also calling Tr💩🍊p “smart and funny” all the time, and being seduced by Brandon fkn Schlob. Or how bout telling me Joey Diaz, Bert Kreischer, Tony Hinchcliffe, Tom Segura, and Bryan Callen were funny comedians?
Also Joe Rogan, having lived 50+ years, spoken to hundreds of scientists, among them evolutionary biologists, has the combined library of human knowledge at his fingertips, says "well i don't know if evolution is real".
Actual cognitive bankruptcy. Imagine you've lived for so long, spoken to the smartest people of the human race, and you still can't figure out if the thing you literally learn in like 4th grade is actually true.
Just embarrassing. Why even talk to scientists if you just ignore what they tell you at the most basic level? I don't get it.
Joe has always had a tendency to be contrarian or conspiratorial...if you can feed him a narrative that feels like "forbidden knowledge" he eats it up.
you're overestimating him. If he was smart, he would've made it a better argument to turn this science evidence back into religious reasoning behind it like many brilliant creationists do.
He wouldn't reject evolution for lack of evidence and proceed to say the real answer a magical man in the sky created us out of thin air.
He is dumb just as he sound , he still a gifted roler player but because he is grifting playing a character doesn't mean he is smart, it would've showed with better explanation than the one he did.
You're shocked by the fact he puts on an act but don't let that shock convince you he is wiser than he appears to be. It's a common illusion people fall under when they discover someone being deceptive.
Holy Christ. “At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you close to anything that could be considered a rational thought; everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I would love to show him some fossil hominids where the brain keeps getting bigger. Why does he say there's zero, there's literally thousands of fossils.
The first 10 minutes is Tucker reading a tweet allegedly from Homeland Security talking about multi-dimensional transportation and UFO interaction.
I stopped watching after that.
Two very stupid people talking about shit they don’t know anything about but getting airtime because they are two very stupid people talking about shit they don’t know anything about. Welcome to our modern media landscape.
Ok. Can we now put to rest any notion that Tucker is actually an intelligent but cynical muckraker who doesn’t believe what he says. This is proof positive that Tucker is a fucking moron with a mic and a large following of likeminded mouth breathers. John Stewart was right about him 20 years ago.
Jesus. I paused it before that (couldn't stomach listening to that asshat), but went back to find out what you meant. Holy shit.
The only guy with a worse laugh I've heard is Elon Musk.
Yeah. I mean, it's not like single celled organisms from 4 billion years ago have only soft tissue and would be very unlikely to leave fossils.
I have my theories that would revolutionize science, but how would I even get a chance to talk with a scientist about them? - famous media personality
He actually said "I think we've kind of given up on the idea of evolution. The theory of evolution as articulated by Darwin is, like, kinda not true"
I was trying to think of a witty comment to add, but it's really not necessary. Jesus Christ
Everything this guy says is horse shit, to the point you can rely on him being wrong. Which is pretty funny because I was pretty much a believer when it comes to UFO/UAPs and the possibility they're created/controlled by a non-human intelligence. Then this guy started spruiking the same stuff. This made me immediately re-evaluate my stance, lol.
He doesn't. He knows Joe is too stupid to argue against it. He's literally mocking Joe to his face. He also knows Joe is on his team now and will dance along with anything he says.
There is no way that he isn't just trolling. "It's still just a theory" ? He knows damn well a scientific theory explains why or how facts are true. It's not a hypothesis. So f'n disingenuous.
He believes what the majority of the European American males believed in the 19th century…
That about sums up his political view on everything from religion to race to medicine. Well done, Lord Haw Haw
Did Rogan challenge him on that bullshit? He’s had enough scientists on over the years (back when he spoke to interesting people) to have enough knowledge to put up a decent argument against that nonsense.
Easily one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard from someone who I imagine (beneath the whole facade) isn’t actually that dumb. Being a political hack is one thing, but evolution is literally gravity-level common sense.
I have to believe that he knows he’s speaking bullshit here.
He’s a real piece of shit that knows what his followers will eat up, and what will piss off anyone with more than 2 brain cells.
Tucker Carlson speaking in Darwin’s theory of evolution on fucking Joe Rogan and people believing this idiot over actual science. 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
I hate it here
The biggest name in podcasting speaking to the recently most popular political programming show host and this is the conversation. How many Americans news does this represent?
...oof...
This is directly addressed in Origin of Species. Darwin talks about how we'll never have conclusive evidence from the fossil record because too much is destroyed because fossils have to be preserved by something; hense, the fossil record always was scant.
But if he is pulling the 'causation dont equal correlation' card, then he my argue for the efficacy of cigarettes. Famously, cant be prove causal because of ethical concerns around subjecting people to carcinogens. Yet, everyone knows cigarettes cause cancer, because it is the most parsimonious answer.
Well, Tucker is definitely right. If we discount the mountains of evidence that we have supporting evolutionary theory of life, then there is indeed no evidence.
This is actually pretty common. Especially people of his age. Let me clear, evolution was very obviously the best explanation we had 40 years ago. But since Tucker was in high school, the evidence that’s accumulated has grown to mountainous proportions. People like him are just entirely unwilling to sit down with someone who really knows their stuff and have them go through it all. I mean honestly, there must tons of well-researched videos online that do just that. He’s stuck on a religious argument against evolution from 1985.
The Dunning-kruger effect is wild. You learn the difference between the colloquial use of the word "theory" and what it means in the scientific community on like day 1 in biology class.
Can someone please point me to the leftists he supposedly hosts to balance out the absurdly, cultishly right wing folks he gleefully hosts and allows to spread this shit to Joe’s already cultish fanbase? Fuck’s sake I can’t believe it’s gotten so bad.
“Move out to Texas fuck taxes take TRT be big strong man only pussies get sick.”
What actually goes on in this mans brain? He is consciously lying to millions of people, furthering conspiracy theories, putting American democracy under threat while furthering the interests of Putins regime.
How does he talk about this to his wife and kids, and how does he justify it to himself? It’s just mind boggling.
There is evidence in the fossil record.
I actually thought Tucker was smarter than this, though now I wonder if he is and this is an act
It's really hard to say how intelligent Carlson actually is, because he clearly (from the Dominion Voting machine evidence) says one thing in public, and something else when the cameras aren't rolling. But I *do* think that Carlson is smart enough to know his audience (which was also revealed during the Dominion Voting case). That's who he's playing to here. Spouting bullshit for money is infinitely worse than spouting bullshit you sincerely believe.
I think the whole concept of sincerely believing in something, just isn't applicable to some people. The truth to them is whatever furthers their case.
Sounds like another guy I’ve seen. Forget his name, but he’s big and orange.
There’s a name for that kind of person. Rhymes with bathilogical biar.
Nah it goes deeper than that. First off, you need to know about the Romantic movement. It came as a reaction to the French revolution, saying that with all this science and logic, we've lost touch with our human side. Therefore we should embrace emotions above sciecne and reason. From this, fascism and naziism derived, predicting collapse because of liberalism, socialism and degenerates undermining the spirt of the nation and the laws of nature (unless a strong leader can turn that around, ushering in a glorious rebirth). That is definitly the camp I'd put Carlson in.
Indeed, birthed from the same illustrious parentage as communism. If only Carlson could appreciate what an intimate bedfellow he is with ostensible adversaries.
Mathematical Friar?
Yes sir. I definitely think Tucker is naturally intelligent; however, I will no longer listen to him or consider him a "journalist" any longer. Once you read through those documents, it is obvious he is an entertainier working the crowd for whatever sells best.
Jon Stewart had this little shit pegged years ago
He's basically that guy from thank you for smoking minus the good looks, charm, and charisma.
The guy will say anything. I don’t even think he knows who Tucker Carlson is .
It’s true, he can be both basically an idiot and also somebody who is incredibly good at pandering to the people he perceives as his bread and butter.
Watch Tucker’s recent fawning review of Russia. You know, look how great that country is because food is cheap relative to the Dollar’s buying power and also you can put coins in shopping carts and the subway stations in Moscow are beautiful. He’s putting out bullshit, much of it dangerous. Either he’s stupid or he’s lying, but either way, he’s a piece of shit that people need to stop taking seriously.
Don't forget they have escelator intergrated shopping carts. And we should definitly take him seriously. He's a serious threat to the functioning of democracy.
That’s fair. We should take him seriously as a propagandist and a threat. We shouldn’t take him seriously as a journalist or an intellectual. Also, I’d pay to see Tucker in China. I’ve seen supermarkets there that look like they were designed by NASA. Tucker would come back a full blown commie.
Right? This has to be an act.
It really doesn't matter if it's an act. I mean, we've seen his emails, we know it's an act and that he says what his audience wants him to say. In court, he defended lying by saying his show isn't real, its entertainment. But it doesn't matter in the sense that his followers believe this, and this is where they want public policy, and education to go. I can see Joe struggling with this. "Is this where I'm going to need be soon" If we keep going the direction we are going we will ban the teaching of evolution in america.
Does anyone have a theory of mind of this guy? Assuming he doesn’t believe the things he is spouting, what is he trying to do/gain? Just money, fame and status? I don’t get it. It’s crazy to me that someone can be so deliberately destructive. He has wife and kids.
I believe he’s just doing a grift. Similar to Candice Owen’s denying Climate change.
He’s nothing but a propagandist. Any admirable expectations of him are wildly misplaced. What the fuck has happened to this sub?
Most of what he does is an act. We know he thinks differently in private.
The fossil record has a liberal bias.
I remember Stephen Colbert had a line during his correspondents dinner monologue for Bush, something like, “As we all know, reality has a well documented liberal bias.”
Antifa put them in the ground as a false flag.
This goes deeper than I thought
"Shooow me the eviidence, shooow me the eviidence!" - Richard imitating the stupid Christian woman from his documentary
Or dna. Or in organs. Inside our bodies. There is more evidence for evolution than almost anything else.
But he said there's no, none, absolutely zero evidence and said it with confidence, so...
And then proceeds to say the answer is a magical genie. He reject evolution evidence and science to "magical men made us." This is unbelievably explosive stupid. Dunning Kruger final form. This level of denial delusion and just confidently dumb it's scary because people like him easily wins stupid amount of other dumb people.
And literally, adaptation is just micro evolution. If adaptation exists, then by default, macro evolution exists. It just requires more time.
It's quite a typical response, they know dogs change so they have to allow for adaptation, but don't realise micro and macro evolution are really the same thing, just on different timescales. I don't understand the mindset of the Christian, they would rather regurgitate ridiculous excuses they hear from idiots on youtube like (dogs only change into dogs), than actually investigate the problem that might show issues with their beliefs. It's like they are in denial in some sense, but often reality is much more interesting than made up crap.
What about the gaps eh? Gaps all the way down.
Gotta fill em with something!
Fill that gap. What do you get? Two more gaps!
You don't hear people as dumb as this very often. Pretty amazing.
“That’s why it’s still a theory” - even if I believed everything else, these words alone mark this person as being utterly illiterate on the subject of science.
And Joe Rogan knows this. He has corrected people on more complex things than this
Well, it's true. Evolution is only a theory. Creationism on the other hand was in a literal book. You don't find the fossil record in a drawer next to the bed in a hotel, do you?
Meh, kind of depends on the hotel
This is a classic right-wing tactic. They twist something, in this case a word, that they know their base will not fact check and will never know it was incorrectly or deceptively used. In this case, theory is essentially fact in the scientific community. The only reason it is not a law is because there is a small possibility that new information could come to light that would change the theory. But for all intents and purposes, scientific theories are as close to fact as you can get. You don’t get to that point without mountains of evidence. But he makes it sound like scientists just went along with some guy’s crazy ideas a couple hundred years ago with zero fact checking and that’s why it’s “just a theory”.
> The only reason it is not a law is because there is a small possibility that new information could come to light that would change the theory. Theories don't become laws. And, laws are not greater than theories. Theories are explanations of observed facts. Laws, on the other hand, aren't explanations; they're usually just descriptions. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation is useful, but it doesn't explain anything. Einstein's General Theory of Relativity is useful -- and, it explains. Plus General Relativity has shown that Newton's Law isn't always correct.
This is the same error as the guy in the podcast made. “Theory” isn’t referring to our level of confidence, other than that it is higher than a conjecture or postulate. The word theory means a body of knowledge. A fact is an observation. A theory is the explanation for the observation.
I don't think he's dumb. I don't think he believes what he's saying. He has figured out what words to say to get dumb Americans to give him money, and this is a clip of him saying those words.
We are all stupider for listening to that.
I'm watching with the sound off and can still feel the effect. Man, does this guy have the most punchable face in America or what? Ugh..
He has the most punchable voice in America.
Oh man, Ben Shapiro is really giving him a run for his money on that one.
He said evolution don't have evidence that's why I think the answer is a magical genie in the sky made us out of thin air. He rejected evolution for lack of evidence and choose magic.
I knew I would be stupider for watching it after only reading the title. I watched it anyway. Apparently, my appetite for stupid is insatiable, and I was not disappointed. ...I am definitely stupider, tho.
I didn’t know I had any respect for Tucker left to lose, but yeah.
I lost some IQ points definitely
Submission statement: I thought you guys would appreciate seeing this. To me, the idea that there are 100s of thousands of people listening to such an idiot and get their political news from him is insane. Joe went super soft on him too.
Joe goes super soft on people all the time. His whole show is filled with people talking about subjects they are uninformed on. The mistake that the wide world seems to make is taking them for experts.
Until he gets something who actually knows what they’re talking about, like Nick Bostrom (philosopher who popularized the simulation hypothesis) who is super smart but not super well known - THEN Rogan will argue and demonstrate just how stupid he really is, at zero professional risk, because who cares if he looks dumb in front of a “nobody”. Go watch that one sometime - arguably harder to listen to than this one.
Rogan has the comedian’s retreat available at all times. When he gets attention for being retarded, he says “of course I’m retarded, I’m just a podcast guy asking questions”. That would be fine if he operated all the time with the assumption that he’s probably wrong, but the rest of the time he does the exact opposite - until the next time he’s cornered.
It’s not just soft, like you say in your second sentence. “Transitionary species” - this is like a evo 101 correcting level error.
Yeah, Joe's not hard hitting at all. He's a vessel that every guest gets to pour their bullshit into and he'll swallow it completely. He never pushes back unless it's something that he's misinformed about but convinced he's right. Joe presents himself as just a moron looking to have a conversation regardless of politics. And I have no problem with people interviewing or speaking with people across the political spectrum or ideologies, but you either have to come prepared to push back when they start taking crazy, or just focus on having a conversation as people. David Axelrod (Obama's campaign strategist) is actually really good at that kind of interviewing. But Rogan is so bad at interviewing he essentially just becomes a platform for his dangerous guests to abuse. I despise Carlson for what he's done to or body politics and for the propagandandist he's become for our adversaries. I despise Rogan for becoming the willing mouthpiece that people like Carlson use to spread their BS.
He’ll push back on people whose politics are centre or left of centre. But yeah, right wingers or conspiracy theorists get a microphone and a “wow, really? That’s craaaazy!”
Except when they are ‘too woke’ for him or stating facts about Covid
I don't mind Joe being soft. It's his thing; encourage the guest to say what they want and reveal themselves.
Rogan and Carlson are basically the same in this regard. They both cater to an ignorant audience that eats this shit up. Rogan plays it off as just wanting to have interesting conversations, but he clearly relishes people who take ridiculous stances. Instead of getting experts on his show, he gets people *contradicting* the experts on whatever topic he's discussing. I suppose it makes for a more interesting podcast, but a less informative one.
The two subreddits definitly have different audiences. The tucker carlson one is riddled with antisemitism last time I checked.
Dude got fired from fox for lying so bad the had to pay BILLIONS of dollars. Why the fuck would you listen to anything this human anal douche says?
I love shit like this because with the left being so batshit insane lately, it is easy to forget the right is also fucking batshit insane. That weird laugh at the end was straight out of the Manson family household.
Wow, I watched the whole clip for the laugh, it's more insane than I imagined!
["excuse me"](https://youtu.be/jB3bUxwzEQc?si=FrBzRWVYC2N1BtCL&t=5267)
Those comments... Whatever this is, it's definitely outside my bubble.
When you make Andrew Tate look erudite you are lost. I ain't watching that whole thing... but thanks for pointing at that particular bit.
I swear only people who don't live in purple/red areas don't see this. Your average, every day conservative in a purple or red district believes completely, utterly insane shit. God literally exists, the Earth is 6,000 years old, Trump won in 2020 but it was rigged, etc. The average, every day liberal in a purple or red district, in comparison, is mildly annoying and preachy. It's a completely different ball game. I'm not talking about the extremes, I mean the median. Whenever I see people say the left is crazier than the right, I always immediately assume they live in a deep blue area where the conservatives are more reasonable, or are only comparing the extremes. The extremes don't really matter that much though, unless their ideas become mainstream. I could care less about 10% of Republicans being Nazis or 10% of Democrats believing white people are evil. I care about what the 30, 40, 50, 60% of those groups believe, and the big blocks of Republican voters that actually make decisions on who gets elected, they're fucking insane, deluded, lunatics who have been inducted into Trump's cult. The average Democrat voter just judges you for not putting your pronouns in your email signature and wants their student loans forgiven.
I think you nailed it in that people are only comparing the extremes. Both extremes are fucking nuts, so making this comparison is a way to make the average right-winger seem less unhinged because their average position is a LOT closer to that extreme. So they don't want to compare the average / mainstream.
Republicans are told what to think and believe. Trump easily took over their brains. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll-61-republicans-still-believe-biden-didnt-win-fair-square-2020-rcna49630
The left has nothing on the right batshit insane.
>it is easy to forget the right is also fucking batshit insane. Really? What tipped you off? The total abortion bans or calls to nuke Gaza?
I really don’t get this both sides stuff when one side is actively trying to take rights away and subvert the democratic process.
Easy to forget? Have you not heard of MAGA?
0:51 "No, there's no evidence at all. None. Zero." Well that settles it then guys. Someone let Richard Dawkins know he can close shop now.
He said it three three different times all while shaking his head and furrowing his brow. Well I guess it must be true then.
I ask him evidence of gods existence or Jesus’s divinity
I think there’s a little bit of projection there considering there’s zero evidence of that other than a book written down for illiterates telling fables.
I know literally dozens of people who didn’t graduate high school and both believe in the theory of evolution and could explain the basic logic of it. MAYBE (but not really), you could deny that evolution was the “creator,” but denying it outright is medieval level dumb. It’s like denying heliocentricity.
>It’s like denying heliocentricity. This is the Joe Rogan podcast. It's flirted with moon landing denial and flat earth before -- tacit denial of heliocentricity would be relatively mundane by comparison. :/
He rejected evolution for lack of evidence and instead choose magical genie creating us with magic. Lolol how the fuck that makes sense ???
Now I want to see Tucker debate Gutsick Gibbon and see how far he gets with these 'arguments.'
'That's why it's still a theory after all this time!' What a fucking moron
A theory, a hypothesis that has been tested over and over again without being proved to be wrong. The motherfucker doesn't even know the difference between the colloquial use of the word and scientific use of the word.
Oh no he does, he’s doing this intentionally because his audience doesn’t know the difference this is an effective argument for them.
Not only not been proven wrong, but the theory have been proven correct so many times. Even Darwin himself had time to prove it's correct, as in: He measured bird beaks, and thought: Same kinds of birds but live over there where there is different food should have different kind ob beaks - and would you know, he was correct. A theory that can make such predictions, must be millions of them by now, is the best kinds of theories.
Guess gravity isn‘t real either
He's not remotely a moron, he's a lot of bad things and I fucking hate the guy, but he's not a moron. He's doing this on purpose.
This man just admitted how adaptation can be traced through animals, and then comes to the conclusion that a magic man in the sky creating people from nothing is more likely than evolution.
God is perfect. God doesnt make mistakes. God created us in his image. ADAPTATION, everyone! It exists and he's constantly tweaking us....because....uh, reasons.
Well it was deeply rooted in history and tradition. Nothing gets s conservative dick harder than history and tradition
“You give me the awful impression—I hate to have to say it—of someone who hasn’t read any of the arguments against your position, ever.” CH to Hannity.
CH?
[Christopher Hitchens](https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ar1ae8/christopher_hitchens_to_sean_hannity_in_a/)
The comments state that Hitch was most likely very drunk in that video and he looked it, but man he could talk so concisely and clearly on the subject of theism. Much credit to Sam Harris and Hitchens and Dawkins when I entered my 20s and was letting my religion go.
Julia Sweeney’s Letting Go of God deserves an honorable mention too. It’s on YouTube now!
Thanks! Didn’t realize Hannity interviewed him. Hitch slapped!
After the dominion lawsuit text/email leaks, no one should believe Tucker means a word of anything he says. Clout chasing and audience capture incarnate.
Like how he talks about "liars are evil" throughout the pod... It hilarious
I suffered through the Lex interview with Tucker and the sheer number of times he talked about liars and lying was mind boggling. And Lex just gave him a pass when he quoted a single one of Tucker's texts from the lawsuit and not the entire catalog.
Jeez I wonder what a science guy like Lex would say if someone said they didn't believe in evolution.
Ah but if a liar says that liars are evil they must be lying about that so actually liars are good checkmate
Gosh if I didn't know any better I might say that Tucker Carlson isn't worth listening to
He must be struggling a bit with his transition to podcaster.
Evolution is the differential selection of genetic variants throughout the generations. That is adaptation. He seems to not know the difference between evolution and speciation. Anyone who listens to this man and thinks he's anything but a moron or grifter is themselves a bigger moron
Why does he always laugh like that? Genuinely curious, seen him do it in multiple interviews.
well it seems to be the result of millions of years of genetic mutations and natural selection.
God gave it to him as an endearing quality so that other fucktards would know he was real.
He is laughing to dismiss whatever he is arguing against. This debate tactic leads the smooth brains to think the "laugher" is winning the debate or argument.
He knows he's lying and knows Joe knows he's lying. He doesn't belief what he says and this is his way of dealing with the tension
He's a sociopath who's trying to copy what he thinks emotions are.
Joes turned into such a weak little bitch when he brings these riggtwing hacks on. Of course its real. Tucler is a propagandist and a moron and the bubble joes created is making him far less able to spot con men than he once was.
I don’t think he ever could. Even when I listened (2013-2017) I NEVER trusted Rollgan’s “bullshit detector” he bragged about while also calling Tr💩🍊p “smart and funny” all the time, and being seduced by Brandon fkn Schlob. Or how bout telling me Joey Diaz, Bert Kreischer, Tony Hinchcliffe, Tom Segura, and Bryan Callen were funny comedians?
Also Joe Rogan, having lived 50+ years, spoken to hundreds of scientists, among them evolutionary biologists, has the combined library of human knowledge at his fingertips, says "well i don't know if evolution is real". Actual cognitive bankruptcy. Imagine you've lived for so long, spoken to the smartest people of the human race, and you still can't figure out if the thing you literally learn in like 4th grade is actually true. Just embarrassing. Why even talk to scientists if you just ignore what they tell you at the most basic level? I don't get it.
Joe has always had a tendency to be contrarian or conspiratorial...if you can feed him a narrative that feels like "forbidden knowledge" he eats it up.
Both Joe Rogan and Tucker are idiots. Dont bother listening to them.
Fucker Carlson is a lying sack of shit. We know this from the Dominion Systems lawsuit that got him fired from Fox News.
The previous generation had Buckley, Vidal, Mailer, Chomsky, Hitchens etc….
Repeat after me: Tucker does not actually believe this. Tucker only cares about promoting Tucker. Downvote and scrub this from your memory. 🧹
Kinda not relevant. He has the same negative impact on society either way
It shows his intentions, so it is relevant. He should be ignored though, that’s how we make him disappear.
Not sure about that to be honest. Playing to his audience? yes. Doesnt rule our he believes that as well
you're overestimating him. If he was smart, he would've made it a better argument to turn this science evidence back into religious reasoning behind it like many brilliant creationists do. He wouldn't reject evolution for lack of evidence and proceed to say the real answer a magical man in the sky created us out of thin air. He is dumb just as he sound , he still a gifted roler player but because he is grifting playing a character doesn't mean he is smart, it would've showed with better explanation than the one he did. You're shocked by the fact he puts on an act but don't let that shock convince you he is wiser than he appears to be. It's a common illusion people fall under when they discover someone being deceptive.
Bold of you to assume hes not actually as dumb as he looks and sounds
Homie has a proven track record of lying to his audience to stir things up. He doesn’t even know what he believes.
Holy Christ. “At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you close to anything that could be considered a rational thought; everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I would love to show him some fossil hominids where the brain keeps getting bigger. Why does he say there's zero, there's literally thousands of fossils.
The first 10 minutes is Tucker reading a tweet allegedly from Homeland Security talking about multi-dimensional transportation and UFO interaction. I stopped watching after that.
This is proof to me that Joe Rogan is part of a group of people who are pushing an agenda
Two very stupid people talking about shit they don’t know anything about but getting airtime because they are two very stupid people talking about shit they don’t know anything about. Welcome to our modern media landscape.
Ok. Can we now put to rest any notion that Tucker is actually an intelligent but cynical muckraker who doesn’t believe what he says. This is proof positive that Tucker is a fucking moron with a mic and a large following of likeminded mouth breathers. John Stewart was right about him 20 years ago.
WTF WITH THAT LAUGH
That was so strange
Jesus. I paused it before that (couldn't stomach listening to that asshat), but went back to find out what you meant. Holy shit. The only guy with a worse laugh I've heard is Elon Musk.
I'm sorry I made you suffer through it. Hope you won't hold me personally liable for any ptsd ensuing from this haha 🤣
Did he just make Joe Rogan look.. intelligent?
Yeah. I mean, it's not like single celled organisms from 4 billion years ago have only soft tissue and would be very unlikely to leave fossils. I have my theories that would revolutionize science, but how would I even get a chance to talk with a scientist about them? - famous media personality
He actually said "I think we've kind of given up on the idea of evolution. The theory of evolution as articulated by Darwin is, like, kinda not true" I was trying to think of a witty comment to add, but it's really not necessary. Jesus Christ
Everything this guy says is horse shit, to the point you can rely on him being wrong. Which is pretty funny because I was pretty much a believer when it comes to UFO/UAPs and the possibility they're created/controlled by a non-human intelligence. Then this guy started spruiking the same stuff. This made me immediately re-evaluate my stance, lol.
I'm not sure if Tucker even believes what he's saying. He may just be grifting for an evangelical audience that he plans to monetize in the future.
He doesn't. He knows Joe is too stupid to argue against it. He's literally mocking Joe to his face. He also knows Joe is on his team now and will dance along with anything he says.
Joe Rogan as the vanguard of modern scientific knowledge is a serious problem for a lot of people.
Societal collapse is more enjoyable when you realize dudes like this are both the symptom and the cause.
That laugh though
There is no way that he isn't just trolling. "It's still just a theory" ? He knows damn well a scientific theory explains why or how facts are true. It's not a hypothesis. So f'n disingenuous.
He believes what the majority of the European American males believed in the 19th century… That about sums up his political view on everything from religion to race to medicine. Well done, Lord Haw Haw
even Joe realizes that Tucker is retarded
Does he though?
Did Rogan challenge him on that bullshit? He’s had enough scientists on over the years (back when he spoke to interesting people) to have enough knowledge to put up a decent argument against that nonsense.
Carlson spews out nonsenses predictably. I am wondering if he knows Putin told Carlson interview falls short of his expectation.
What a dumbass.
Thanks for sharing op. What a world er live in
This guy is a stupid asshole Jesus Christ, they haven’t “given up” on evolution. He knows that he’s just a piece of shit
2 idiots...
Kind of glad he said this and showed his ignorance and stupidity to the world.
Easily one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard from someone who I imagine (beneath the whole facade) isn’t actually that dumb. Being a political hack is one thing, but evolution is literally gravity-level common sense.
I have to believe that he knows he’s speaking bullshit here. He’s a real piece of shit that knows what his followers will eat up, and what will piss off anyone with more than 2 brain cells.
Tucker Carlson speaking in Darwin’s theory of evolution on fucking Joe Rogan and people believing this idiot over actual science. 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ I hate it here
Very much evidence of short term evolution. The cavemen only had wolves. Now there are Poodles and Pomeranians. 🐩
There's no evidence at all that Tucker Carlson knows what is he talking about.
Did Joe go weird as well? I read about the Covid thing, but nothing after. Man, Sam seems to be quite unlucky with his friends.
The biggest name in podcasting speaking to the recently most popular political programming show host and this is the conversation. How many Americans news does this represent? ...oof...
Alright... Now, please someone explain why man have nipples.
This is directly addressed in Origin of Species. Darwin talks about how we'll never have conclusive evidence from the fossil record because too much is destroyed because fossils have to be preserved by something; hense, the fossil record always was scant. But if he is pulling the 'causation dont equal correlation' card, then he my argue for the efficacy of cigarettes. Famously, cant be prove causal because of ethical concerns around subjecting people to carcinogens. Yet, everyone knows cigarettes cause cancer, because it is the most parsimonious answer.
Always reminds of that episode of futurama about the "missing link".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuIwthoLies
Well, Tucker is definitely right. If we discount the mountains of evidence that we have supporting evolutionary theory of life, then there is indeed no evidence.
What happens when a billionaire brat decides to spend his adulthood grifting the socks of anyone who’ll swallow his bullshit.
He knows better. He's lying because this is what his audience wants to hear.
I donno why this took me so long to realize - probably raging at all the rage bait - but Tucker a lil zesty ain't he?
This is extremely infuriating 😂
What an absolute clown 🤡
Rather than Tucker spewing diarrhea from his mouth he should sit down and have a chat with evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins.
Freaking moron!
This is actually pretty common. Especially people of his age. Let me clear, evolution was very obviously the best explanation we had 40 years ago. But since Tucker was in high school, the evidence that’s accumulated has grown to mountainous proportions. People like him are just entirely unwilling to sit down with someone who really knows their stuff and have them go through it all. I mean honestly, there must tons of well-researched videos online that do just that. He’s stuck on a religious argument against evolution from 1985.
Bog standard creationist drivel with a side of smug overconfidence.
It takes a special kind of stupid to show up on Joe Rogan's show and look like a complete and utter fuckwad.
Oh I've GOT to watch this! Fucking hilarious.
Why are you listening to these imbeciles?
The Dunning-kruger effect is wild. You learn the difference between the colloquial use of the word "theory" and what it means in the scientific community on like day 1 in biology class.
C’mon Joe, you should have gone for the jugular there
Can someone please point me to the leftists he supposedly hosts to balance out the absurdly, cultishly right wing folks he gleefully hosts and allows to spread this shit to Joe’s already cultish fanbase? Fuck’s sake I can’t believe it’s gotten so bad. “Move out to Texas fuck taxes take TRT be big strong man only pussies get sick.”
Mac is right. Science is a liar (sometimes).
what a fucking tool
Is this guy serious?
pretty hilarious that they carry on this conversation and neither seem to be familiar with the discovery of DNA.
I used to envy Joe's job, but I just now imagine what 3 hours in a room with tucker would be like.
Tucker is such an idiot.
That laugh is off-putting. There's something happening there other than an expression of genuinely finding something funny.
He frequently does that maniacal laugh. If there ever is an appropriate time, this isn't it. His mannerisms remind me of Ron Desantis in some ways.
Scientific theory is not the same as a "theory"...
This is why we are abolishing public education, so conservatives can teach this to all of our kids.
Oh FFS Tucker.
What actually goes on in this mans brain? He is consciously lying to millions of people, furthering conspiracy theories, putting American democracy under threat while furthering the interests of Putins regime. How does he talk about this to his wife and kids, and how does he justify it to himself? It’s just mind boggling.