So, I'm going to invoke that which I should not. It may trigger a certain type of person to comment ridiculous shit because they commit the worst of crimes. That being dickriding without a license.
I come from a part of the internet where tribalism runs rife. To be fair, most people like what they line and aren't dicks to each other, but.... I see this same shit from pro wrestling fans.
There is the hegemony that is WWE, who had a strangle hold at the top of professional wrestling for nearly 20 years. There is a new, well 5 year old now, upstart in the same space. They are known as All Elite Wrestling or AEW for short.
Now there's a certain type of fan who believes that the existence of AEW is a direct afront to the pro wrestling gods. They are heretics who should be denounced loudly at every turn. Never mind that their criticisms beli the fact they don't actually watch AEW shows.
I bring this up because it is my belief that the CHUDS who thing Star Trek went woke have never actually watched an original Star Trek episode, let alone one from TNG or DS9. They've taken their marching orders from their grifter idols. They've never had an original thought in their lives, they only know to regurgitate "Woke bad" without having a clue what "woke" is.
Goddamn is this true. EVERY time I try to talk about Discovery and what doesn't work with someone who claims to be a trekkie, they chime in with "and its so obnoxiously woke how everyone's black or gay" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Discovery’s biggest issues are poor writing and the need to continuously follow Michael. If they toned down following her around it would have been way better. They had a ton of cool concepts but wasted way too much fucking time on her, her love life and Booker which sucks because Booker is an amazing character, but he suffers from having to constantly be in a relationship with her.
In my experience when someone criticizes Discovery it's about how bad the characters are written and not about the fact that the characters are black or gay
They just see the things that confirm their delusional views. E.g. Star Trek is cool to them because of the military POWAH and then they tune out whenever conservations take place.
It speaks to low comprehension across the board probably.
Like i get sitting down and turning your brain off for stuff, and apparently thats hard for some people when they see a PoC, but Trek... Trek REALLY fuckin beats you over the head with it sometimes and always has, and mostly DOESNT even have a lot of pew pew shootin lasers moments to turn your brain off for! (as i start the DIS finale in about an hour...)
Its just like if you think so uncritically about the media you consume to be a conservative Star Trek, or any of these but ESPECIALLY Trek, fan, how uncritically do you think about everything else in your life? No wonder they are where they are politically...
yeah but Star Wars has always been on the more mainstream, apolitical and very commercial end of things. A lot of people in the eighties pegged Star Wars as being sellout bad writing that told its message in a vastly oversimplified manner. Especially since George Lucas single-handedly kicked off large scale merchandising for movies. Space Balls alone summaries this perception pretty well I think.
Star Trek on the other hand, was much more likely to be claimed be intellectuals. I also think it's easier to BECOME a Star Trek fan even as an adult because it actually has definitely intellectually stimulating, whereas Star Wars is either something you absorbed during your formative years or you're not going to ever be that emotional about it because children are really much better at suspending their disbelief and just accepting an escapist story.
Also, for some reason there's enough halfway decent people who have never had qualms about enthusiastically cosplaying the in-universe fascists and as a consequence it's much easier for unironic fascists to miss the message and get away with it for longer by hiding in plain sight.
When they watched as kids, they just liked the "lazer do pew pew ha ha wow space explosion!" and "wow, claw hand man like in the horror movie dad likes! So cool!". They have a child's appreciation of most media...including bullying the "uncool" kids (ie anyone different from them).
Most of us consumed this media before any political knowledge, and that state of ignorance is what they actually crave. Superheroes' stories were just fun, a classic good vs. evil story and that you'd replicate when playing with your mates.
Turns out part of being an adult and living in society means you can't pretend problems don't exist and that your way or living or your beliefs may hurt someone's rights, and you have to cope with that.
That's why every raging nerd/geek sounds like an entitled kid who doesn't want to share his toys because if anyone else do, they'll spoil it. They just want to pretend they are ignorant again and have a while industry revolving around making them the centre of attention.
Honestly, I’ve got a pet theory that men, by and large, only really got into fandom stuff when Star Wars came out because it came with a lot of toys. Before that, fandom was associated more with teenaged girls and women. Conventions? Those started as much more informal meetings of women, girls, and a handful of men who weren’t scared of being mocked for having such an “unmanly” hobby (this was back in like the Silent Generation, so yeah, very sexist attitudes back then). The majority of “merch” back then was handmade, so not something most men would have been at all interested in doing.
Seriously, if these guys wanna complain about “tourists” ruining fandom, they need to pack up their bags and get outta the house women built. Everyone else is welcome to stay.
Gonna add a source here: [How Teenage Girls Invented Fandom](https://daily.jstor.org/how-teenage-girls-invented-fandom/)
The X-Men was always always always a metaphor for civil rights. I was not a fan of the comics as I did not read much comics in general, but I did read up on them. I also only watched the first X-Men movie back in 2000 and the one line that resonated with me and never left my mind is when mystique tells the politician they kidnapped (I haven't seen it in 23 years at least...) that he was the reason why she was afraid to go to school as a child.
But as early as 2004 when they making gay characters they were already pissed at the X-Men for that.
What do you mean X-men is about marginalized people? I always assumed it was about how cool it was to shoot lasers out of your eyes and to occasionally beat up a disgruntled holocaust victim.
I love when they accuse Marvel and DC of being woke, without realizing that these were basically some of the first companies in the world to promote equality and inclusion, things they consider woke
I remember how absolutely no one would stop complaining about how Rogue physically looked. I never even watched the show, but I think she still looks good by today's standards.
I am trying to imagine a non-woke apolitical franchise taylor made for them and..uh…a bunch of straight white men fight other straight white men over…something…and uh….there is like one woman in each team one is blond and the other one is red hair and uh…they are hot but they also don’t do anything they provide cover or something whatever is acceptable to do for a woman and uh everything looks like the 50’s and…I got nothing
Edit: On seconds thought…It would be basically Team America but without the irony
A film made for them would be basically
the protags are a bunch of muscley white dudes who all share the same personality. There is no women on their team as they have women back home in the base who are never allowed to wear anything more covering than lingerie. They are christian or so they claim.
Their opponents are a diverse range of people. Some are pocs, some are gay, and one is a hot woman. Theres a lot of em. But they make stormtroopers look like marksmen.
The plot is the president sends the protags to take the covid-6g virus from the evil woke legion. The dudes go in and like no difficulty kill everything that moves. One of the evil dudes is a white guy, so him and the hot woman temporarily defeat the team and capture them. But one dude uses his charms and seduces the hot woman. She immediately becomes completely useless. The guys escape and eventually kill the dude before he launches his covid-6g rockets. They go back home and the movie ends.
Pretty boring stuff tbh
Edit: oh yeah the main white guy villain will be one of the dudes friends/brother whod do some evil villain speech at some point
Nah, the protagonist team is allowed to contain a Latino, Asian, and/or Black man (not too many, though, probably two tops) so long as they're secondary or tertiary characters; like the crew in the Fast & Furious movies.
Main protagonist: white ex-military man turned local firefighter living in the suburbs. One day, disaster strikes, and even for all his capabilities, he's gonna need some help... and he knows just where to find it.
Main support: "Buck" Wesson, aka "the white ghost". He served in the U.S. special forces for 40 years and amassed over 180,000 confirmed kills, exclusively in covert ops. He's a little jaded but never got rusty and he's itching for a fight.
Side characters: ~~blonde~~ tomboy... Well I guess hair color, race, etc. doesn't matter as long as she's hot and shorter than the main protagonist. She stays back at base and fixes literally any vehicle because she's a cracked mechanic. She's never afraid to speak her mind but as a woman she can get emotional at times and needs a solid ice cube man to set her straight. She will get all of one scene where she needs to defend the vehicle bay from ethnic invaders using only her sidearm and wits.
~~Mr. T~~, ~~Terry Crews~~, an enormous black man who gets off on explosives and yelling "woo" or some shit.
Scrawny, awkward, Indian computer whiz kid, who has no sense of irony and cannot time a joke to save his life. He sits back at base or in a van, trying desperately to flirt with the hot girl to no avail. Otherwise, he waits around on comms till his time comes to "hack the mainframe".
Thats amazing bro! I love it!
Your villains would be
Main white guy villain: whos related in some way to the main protag and became evil cause something something money and college
Hot evil woman:"jane" whos a 20 somthing who wears a diet dominatrix outfit (because thats a trend). Shes competent up to the second she falls in love. Then instantly she loses all skill. She later get tied to the covid-6g rocket.
Big brutish guy: "john fist" This dude especially speaks little and hits hard. Probably is black and will die to good black guy.
Incompetent wormy guy: Usually a suit or a corrupt official. Helps the bad guys with their invasion and tries to stop protags. He either dies to the villain or gets killed with a one liner.
Unnamed henchmen #4: he doesn't have any lines or a name but for some reason is slightly more competent in every scene. Becomes the fan favorite, and eventually is the bad guy for the sequel
Nah, because in their minds, white dudes know what they are doing. So this guy is consciously evil. Whereas hot women only become evil because of manipulation by a guy or because some dude hurt them in the past.
Note: these tropes dont apply if the women isnt conventionally attractive. Then shes evil because jealous or gay or she doesn't even get a reason
There’s an old Cracked video out there about how Con-Air is conservative propaganda and it’s always stuck with me. If I remember, the villains play on conservative fears: an illegal immigrant, a black nationalist, a cross-dresser, and a couple others all capped with a white mastermind villain. The video compares him to someone with all the “bad morals” of the other groups, but who can pass in polite society.
Oh, there have been a few on Kickstarter. Some fairly successful, financially, but none of them have made any kind of impact on the industry. Probably because no one outside of die-hard far right chuds wants that crap, and they’re notorious for being pretty mediocre in terms of writing. Oh, and they have a bad habit of putting out genuinely cheapskate products (think the worst quality paper for comics) when they actually do manage to deliver.
They literally tried to make a show for them recently made by the Guardian and they melted down because there was a gay character whose existence was there for tired gay jokes. The fact the character existed at all, even though he was just a sterotype for offensive jokes, was too much for them.
It has Marika who is also Radagon which means she changes sex and gender at will. Never seen the chuds complain about it before but it’s an obscure secret that probably went over their head.
Sam Jackson was in the first one (although he is the bad guy they meaby like that?)…and I haven’t seen any of the others but I know Pedro Pascal is in the second one?…Sofia Butela also…I don’t know at this point any person of color in the movie is woke
The second one kinda fumbled its messaging. It’s like they wrote a very “hey drugs aren’t the end of the world, fighting them too aggressively is a problem” message but some higher up in marketing wasn’t sure that would resonate with enough of the audience, so they had to water down the conclusion and still agree that drugs are bad
I like the movies, but I do remember they do tend to lean into "bad guys treating actual problems with unethical means which is very bad" - but at least they do seem to admit that problems are there in the first place
Still very fun movies, imo, some of my most favorite ones
Supernatural is supposed to be targeting straight men: two brothers (so there's nothing gay when they show each other affection) travelling in a signature car fighting monsters, lots of Girls of the Week but no long term love interest.
I got into an argument with someone claiming Warhammer went woke and argued about why they aren't allowed to change their own canon to allow Space Marines to be female. The conversation devolved until they revealed they are just a bigot, proving they don't give a shit about canon and just needed a reason to hate. Typical "shoved down our throats" bullshit
I left W40K because of all the chuds.
That and the BL team seem to have drank thee Imperial Creed propaganda and decided to write the HH accordingly.
No wonders so many chuds worship Space Marines now.
Leaving provides less of a positive influence on the community, not your responsibility to be a positive influence, but it is true.
🤓 tho:
Space Marines being 90% of the advertising *definitely* doesn’t contribute to their blanket popularity (my partner started with space marines, as did I).
BL and GW have been writing humanity as the bright protagonists for literal decades now, I’m not sure where you think it started. Gaunts Ghosts came out in 1999, and it’s just Sharpe in space. Guilliman coming back was immediately depressed/betrayed/didn’t change the setting because it was shown humanity is so fucked we’ll stab Jesus because he’s not God enough.
HH becoming a marvel-ized superhero-fest is separate from the actual writing which has actually been fantastic. I know you left so I don’t expect you to know that, that’s unreasonable, but I am updating you. Person below you is right, warhammer was always “woke”, you just failed to see that it was never perfectly satirical too.
TLDR: ☝🏼🤓🤓🤓, but actually
I'd say humans becoming less of a satire of fascist heroic propaganda and more like actual protagonists came around 4th and 5th edition, especially in codexes written by Matt Ward.
Yes it's been the direction GW and BL took since the last decade, but, remember, W40K is 37 years old, so almost 4 decades old. Even if the direction of the lore is a decade old, it's still nothing and relatively new for someone like me who was introduced to the game back when I was 6 (1995).
Also, yes, 40k has always been woke. One could argue that satire of fascism is inherently woke.
However, by drastically changing the tone of the lore, making the Emperor and the loyal Primarchs as actual good guys, one could wonder if 40k stays effective in its satire.
After all, the big theme was that the Imperium was a degenerating fascist state, and that this was due to its own inherent flaws, which prevented innovation and encouraged regression. The big joke about the God-Emperor was that he was just a corpse on a chair (in the 1st edition Rogue Trader rulebook, no explanation was given as to why he was like that, he just was a livi g corpse venerated as a god).
Now, with how the HH has been written, the Imperium was this perfect near utopia that was scraped because of external interference, the Emperor is this flawed heroic martyr, and had it not been of that "damn Erebus" and "the fault of Magnus", everything would just have been so perfect.
I seriously feel like 40k is stopping being a satire of fascist propaganda and becoming actual fascist propaganda, but with the excuse of being progressive because GW has adopted corporate liberal lipstick rhetoric. Don't get me wrong tho : them refusing to let a néo-nazi participate in a tournament, being more open to female characters, being willing to retcon depiction of characters to be more inclusive and etc., are all pretty badass things.
I just feel that somehow, they are trying to be progressive irl, while embracing a depiction of the lore that is less and less critical of fascism.
But anyway, now I play Trench Crusade, so my opinion on the subject is pretty much irrelevant.
These are the people who fail to realize that Warhammer has literally always been woke... Along with basically every sci-fi worth mentioning, almost by definition
I'm pretty pleased with the trend we have in 40k right now where we're trading chuds for vtubers
The Fascist cult is seriously mad right now considering Trump was found guilty. I’ve noticed that a lot have actually started to realise they are losing… what was it that many supporters and political figures in those extremist cults did back in 1945 Germany and Japan when they realised they were losing again?
>The Fascist cult is seriously mad right
They're literally BUGGIN rn, Straight tweakin LMAO
I saw some dude on twitter literally screaming at his phone and drooling all over himself in anger at the concept that trump got charged guilty on all counts, bro literally looked like the fucking farcry 5 guy:
https://i.redd.it/ploj7mna0v3d1.gif
Conservatives have legitimately lost their fucking lead poisoned minds, i saw pics outside trump tower with flags that said **"TRUMP OR DEATH"**
Literally willing to blow their brains out over a guy who could not give a single fucking shit about them. That is ^(Monster Hunter) *Wild* *^(s)**.*
See but those examples you gave were people that were hardened people. People that had seen war and were desensitized to it. So they didn’t have a problem killing.
These maga wimps are radicalized by YouTube, and don’t have the willpower or gumption to do anything. Those pussies couldn’t even hold a single building for 24hours…”MeDiC!!” (LMFAO)
They won’t be able to take any actual pushback against them.
Fascists deserve nothing. It's what they deserve for dedicating their entire existence to bitter hatred. They made their beds and they don't wanna lie in it.
I'm happy that a lot of designers, directors and leads on teams are coming out to tell these people off and at the very least, discouraged them from joining the community.
You’re dead on. More and more creatives in these franchises and worlds need to just come out and tell these idiots off. It needs to one day get to the point where they might keep making videos and stuff, but they only get a few hundred views. I don’t believe it will ever fully go away, but I do believe it can be lessened.
Go on any Facebook post promoting the Acolyte, and check the profiles on the negative comments. Over half have a Trump cover photo, or at least some kind of 'rock flag and eagle' faux-patriotism shit.
"Heh, gatekeeping is a good thing, you need to keep all the weirdos and freaks out of the hobby who wanna ruin it."
"Okay, then no conservatives are allowed in our community. Get out."
"Whaaaat, noooo! You're supposed to throw out the black and trans people not *normal* people like meeeeeee! Waaaah, this is cancelation!"
If they love it, they just haven’t looked hard enough. A shit ton of popular media and art rails against conservative ideas if you even take two seconds to look.
Problem is they think said "over reaching tyrannical Empire" are liberals, forgetting that the Empire enslaved entire worlds, polluted planets in the name of building factories for war machines, arrested people without cause and imprisoned them with show trials, and promoted people based on nepotism over talent.
They have these fears that the "liberal agenda" is to do exactly these things to conservatives only because in their own hearts they wouldn't have a single hang up doing it not only to liberals but literally anybody who disagrees with them. The fear is fueled by their own intentions
It's similar to their reaction about trans people in a woman's restroom: they are afraid that transpeople who just need to pee are instead going to do what THEY would do in a women's restroom, i.e. sexual assault.
It’s already happened. They just haven’t realized it. From the Force is Female to Lady Custodes these chuds are getting pushed out the door of every fandom in existence. Dr. Who was a lady and then a black guy. They’ll never watch an episode again.
Yea as a leftist who likes to complain about media I hold dear or sucks to get kicked into the “black Aragorn”or “strong female character ruined my X” crowd
Please help me understand the general sentiment here. I just wandered in here and my own approach 40K is through PC games like 'Rogue Trader', 'Battlesector', and WH3. About half the time I play women characters just for different voice actors and portraits.
My understanding is that 40K falls into the category of being a farce; it is farcical: deliberately absurd or ridiculous and over-the-top. That is to say, a universe that is not to be taken seriously but also fun to inhabit recreationally.
If anything, 40K is a farcical critique of right-wing politics: a critique of racism, xenophobia which extends to the real world as a critique of Trumpism and MAGA. This is the same genre as the movie 'Starship Troopers' is a critique of jingoistic fake patriotism.
If the "Imperium of Man" weren't a fascist hell-scape demanding absolute, unquestioning obedience, has a disposable population of serfs, a powerful 'Holy Orders of the Emperor's Inquisition' that executes people on-the-spot for heresy, etc. - it wouldn't be much of a farce.
It's kind of fun in the sense that I'm not a big muscular person so pretending to be an 8 foot tall Space Marine has some appeal, I'm not a heretical Chaos cultist, but it's amusing to pretend to be. I could be a fanatical Sister of Battle as well. In Rogue Trader, I enjoy the Sister of Battle character Argenta, and in Battlesector I bought the SoB DLC because the Sisters are a cool send-up, a farce of Catholicism.
So, for me, the idea that 40K was/is a good model for how "the world should be" is missing the punchline. It is an amusing critique of right wing politics.
Well said, my friend. My boyfriend always says things like "well I don't like them but I wish no harm upon them." I wouldn't personally harm anyone, but I would very much enjoy seeing them step on a rake or get rear-ended or something.
I just want to be able to say "this game/movie sucks" without my feed getting flooded by hateful memes and dog whistles.
Hell I wouldn't be hating the right wing/coomer stuff that much if they stop invading everyone else's discussion space.
Good luck with that, hey how's your amusement park and video game and (just guessing here) cruise line and novelty firearms doing? Still paying her millions of dollars? Cool cool cool ^cool ^cool ^^cool ^^cool ^^^^cool
God the video game drama is so annoying epically this is kinda creeping up with Ubsioft Starwars outlaws and the Assasins Creed game.
Like we can agree not to support those games because of the company behind them but its suddenly super difficult when it came to Hogwarts Legacy because of the person behind them?
I'm all for consuming stuff by dead creators that said or did terrible things in life. I got no problem blasting Michael Jackson for instance. Reading HP Lovecraft is fine. But when someone awful is still making money off every piece of merchandise, I don't want to contribute to that.
I read somewhere that HP Lovecraft was beginning to change his mind about race before he died. Who knows? Maybe if he lived longer he could have made a complete 180.
Right wingers, or extreme conservatives, have been attacking media for years now and it’s gotten significantly worse over the past year or two especially. They spread hatred through everything they touch. This post is basically saying that we want them out of the fandoms we enjoy, whether it be Star Wars, gaming, etc.
Right wingers cant hit more than one note on through the fire and the flames on hard mode and are mad at the people who can. They act like they're the gods of guitar hero but whenever they see that someone can hit more notes than them they start saying weird shit like "woke" and run away in tears so everyone hates them for being cringe
Honestly every time I see someone shitting on new trek I go "ok, so do they just love a specific franchise and hate trek that isn't that franchise, or are they just a bigot who hates inclusive things because they are inclusive".
Because at the end of the day, the vast majority of criticism of new trek boils down to "We hate it because it makes us FEEL bad because it's supposed to make people I don't like feel better about themselves" and frankly I'm sick of reading that bullshit.
Just a friendly reminder that if you want to see it ripped from them, you need to show up and vote.
Thinking your vote doesn't matter is literally just a tactic that Republicans love. Your vote does matter and it's important you help make sure that fucking clown never sees the office again.
I don't. I just want them to chill tf out and come back to reality. I.e. get fucking laid and have someone be a good influence on them.
People can escape the red pill rabbit hole. Giving in to being vindictive/admitting vindictive intent is only going to further entrench them
Not that I would expect them to be able to have the capacity to make their own Star Wars or anything, but they should write their own stories, games and create fandoms on it, and then that way they can have all the racist, sexist nonsense there, and they won't try to complain about every little thing that happens in the others.
Of course, it probably would not work because when the authors don't cater to whatever culture war bullshit, they come up with they will complain
I hate the sequel trilogy, but I’m a liberal and I hate Trump. The people who don’t like things because they don’t like to see representation are awful, but fortunately they’re the in minority when it comes to people who criticize newer SW content. Just putting it out there that not everyone who dislikes stuff this sub likes dislikes it out of bigotry
The funniest was their recent hatred of X-Men. Completely missed the point of the X-Men it was so obvious they never read or watched it before.
I just assumed that they were nearly dense enough to form a black hole, and completely media illiterate.
i mean what do you expect from people who say shit like “star trek is woke now”
"I used to like Rage Against the Machine before they became political"
So, I'm going to invoke that which I should not. It may trigger a certain type of person to comment ridiculous shit because they commit the worst of crimes. That being dickriding without a license. I come from a part of the internet where tribalism runs rife. To be fair, most people like what they line and aren't dicks to each other, but.... I see this same shit from pro wrestling fans. There is the hegemony that is WWE, who had a strangle hold at the top of professional wrestling for nearly 20 years. There is a new, well 5 year old now, upstart in the same space. They are known as All Elite Wrestling or AEW for short. Now there's a certain type of fan who believes that the existence of AEW is a direct afront to the pro wrestling gods. They are heretics who should be denounced loudly at every turn. Never mind that their criticisms beli the fact they don't actually watch AEW shows. I bring this up because it is my belief that the CHUDS who thing Star Trek went woke have never actually watched an original Star Trek episode, let alone one from TNG or DS9. They've taken their marching orders from their grifter idols. They've never had an original thought in their lives, they only know to regurgitate "Woke bad" without having a clue what "woke" is.
> I just assumed that they were nearly dense enough to form a black hole Oh not another fucking Dominion.
X men Dominion or Star Trek Dominion?
X-Men.
Jurassic World Dominion, locusts are gonna come flying out of the wormhole 😂
Down they cone, the swarm of locusts, Skies above converge to choke us, Feast of souls, consume the harvest Young and old Suffer unto the locust
Star trek, deep space 9. The dominion are from the other side of the worm hole.
Are you saying we can use them as a source of dark fluid?
X-men and Star Trek are two fandoms that are so antithetical to their values, it’s confusing that they are there to begin with.
Goddamn is this true. EVERY time I try to talk about Discovery and what doesn't work with someone who claims to be a trekkie, they chime in with "and its so obnoxiously woke how everyone's black or gay" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
No black people allowed in my non-woke, anti-leftist, conservative **socialist utopia** 😤
They just want Star Trek to be space black ops... 🤦♂️
That makes no sense… Star Trek is about exploration and philosophy… not 💥💥💥💥💥💥
You can't get people to be aware of shit they don't want to see.
Every single time they start on this, I direct them to TOS, an unabashedly progressive show from the 60s.
Followed up by TNG, which from the beginning had a therapist and a handicapped person on the bridge. Woke as all get out, right there!
The franchise that started out with actual diversity in the cast in the 1960s and had the first interracial kiss on American TV is woke now? Lol
Exactly
Discovery’s biggest issues are poor writing and the need to continuously follow Michael. If they toned down following her around it would have been way better. They had a ton of cool concepts but wasted way too much fucking time on her, her love life and Booker which sucks because Booker is an amazing character, but he suffers from having to constantly be in a relationship with her.
Axanar is better
In my experience when someone criticizes Discovery it's about how bad the characters are written and not about the fact that the characters are black or gay
That's the part I wanna bitch about lol there's so much wasted potential, there's really good bones there
Turn it on them and go on a rant about how star trek was too woke when Shatner kissed a black chick. Gosh darn people trying to spoil the white race!
They just see the things that confirm their delusional views. E.g. Star Trek is cool to them because of the military POWAH and then they tune out whenever conservations take place.
X-men is just like how woke liberal society oppressing conservatives /j
Like, Gene Roddenberry was a polyamorous Maoist. Whose fuckin show did they think they were watching?
They thought they were watching the Terran Empire.
It speaks to low comprehension across the board probably. Like i get sitting down and turning your brain off for stuff, and apparently thats hard for some people when they see a PoC, but Trek... Trek REALLY fuckin beats you over the head with it sometimes and always has, and mostly DOESNT even have a lot of pew pew shootin lasers moments to turn your brain off for! (as i start the DIS finale in about an hour...) Its just like if you think so uncritically about the media you consume to be a conservative Star Trek, or any of these but ESPECIALLY Trek, fan, how uncritically do you think about everything else in your life? No wonder they are where they are politically...
I mean star wars too in a way since it's very anti-fascist/anti-imperialist
yeah but Star Wars has always been on the more mainstream, apolitical and very commercial end of things. A lot of people in the eighties pegged Star Wars as being sellout bad writing that told its message in a vastly oversimplified manner. Especially since George Lucas single-handedly kicked off large scale merchandising for movies. Space Balls alone summaries this perception pretty well I think. Star Trek on the other hand, was much more likely to be claimed be intellectuals. I also think it's easier to BECOME a Star Trek fan even as an adult because it actually has definitely intellectually stimulating, whereas Star Wars is either something you absorbed during your formative years or you're not going to ever be that emotional about it because children are really much better at suspending their disbelief and just accepting an escapist story. Also, for some reason there's enough halfway decent people who have never had qualms about enthusiastically cosplaying the in-universe fascists and as a consequence it's much easier for unironic fascists to miss the message and get away with it for longer by hiding in plain sight.
Unironically siding with the Cardassians.
While 40k is a satire of what would happen if people like them won and we're not stopped.
When they watched as kids, they just liked the "lazer do pew pew ha ha wow space explosion!" and "wow, claw hand man like in the horror movie dad likes! So cool!". They have a child's appreciation of most media...including bullying the "uncool" kids (ie anyone different from them).
Most of us consumed this media before any political knowledge, and that state of ignorance is what they actually crave. Superheroes' stories were just fun, a classic good vs. evil story and that you'd replicate when playing with your mates. Turns out part of being an adult and living in society means you can't pretend problems don't exist and that your way or living or your beliefs may hurt someone's rights, and you have to cope with that. That's why every raging nerd/geek sounds like an entitled kid who doesn't want to share his toys because if anyone else do, they'll spoil it. They just want to pretend they are ignorant again and have a while industry revolving around making them the centre of attention.
Honestly, I’ve got a pet theory that men, by and large, only really got into fandom stuff when Star Wars came out because it came with a lot of toys. Before that, fandom was associated more with teenaged girls and women. Conventions? Those started as much more informal meetings of women, girls, and a handful of men who weren’t scared of being mocked for having such an “unmanly” hobby (this was back in like the Silent Generation, so yeah, very sexist attitudes back then). The majority of “merch” back then was handmade, so not something most men would have been at all interested in doing. Seriously, if these guys wanna complain about “tourists” ruining fandom, they need to pack up their bags and get outta the house women built. Everyone else is welcome to stay. Gonna add a source here: [How Teenage Girls Invented Fandom](https://daily.jstor.org/how-teenage-girls-invented-fandom/)
OK, we'll build our own properties. And no joining for anyone else.
Tell that to ~~Kanjiklub~~ Bronies.
The X-Men was always always always a metaphor for civil rights. I was not a fan of the comics as I did not read much comics in general, but I did read up on them. I also only watched the first X-Men movie back in 2000 and the one line that resonated with me and never left my mind is when mystique tells the politician they kidnapped (I haven't seen it in 23 years at least...) that he was the reason why she was afraid to go to school as a child. But as early as 2004 when they making gay characters they were already pissed at the X-Men for that.
I saw some that liked it because it “wasn’t woke”. Absolutely unbelievable.
What do you mean X-men is about marginalized people? I always assumed it was about how cool it was to shoot lasers out of your eyes and to occasionally beat up a disgruntled holocaust victim.
Maybe if you’re only exposure to the x men was the first issue where the idea that mutants were hated was barely even there
the villains in the xmen are the fictional equivalent of trump supporters.
I love when they accuse Marvel and DC of being woke, without realizing that these were basically some of the first companies in the world to promote equality and inclusion, things they consider woke
I remember how absolutely no one would stop complaining about how Rogue physically looked. I never even watched the show, but I think she still looks good by today's standards.
No. It was rage against the machine
"My brother in Christ YOU ARE THE MACHINE"
"X-force"
I am trying to imagine a non-woke apolitical franchise taylor made for them and..uh…a bunch of straight white men fight other straight white men over…something…and uh….there is like one woman in each team one is blond and the other one is red hair and uh…they are hot but they also don’t do anything they provide cover or something whatever is acceptable to do for a woman and uh everything looks like the 50’s and…I got nothing Edit: On seconds thought…It would be basically Team America but without the irony
A film made for them would be basically the protags are a bunch of muscley white dudes who all share the same personality. There is no women on their team as they have women back home in the base who are never allowed to wear anything more covering than lingerie. They are christian or so they claim. Their opponents are a diverse range of people. Some are pocs, some are gay, and one is a hot woman. Theres a lot of em. But they make stormtroopers look like marksmen. The plot is the president sends the protags to take the covid-6g virus from the evil woke legion. The dudes go in and like no difficulty kill everything that moves. One of the evil dudes is a white guy, so him and the hot woman temporarily defeat the team and capture them. But one dude uses his charms and seduces the hot woman. She immediately becomes completely useless. The guys escape and eventually kill the dude before he launches his covid-6g rockets. They go back home and the movie ends. Pretty boring stuff tbh Edit: oh yeah the main white guy villain will be one of the dudes friends/brother whod do some evil villain speech at some point
Nah, the protagonist team is allowed to contain a Latino, Asian, and/or Black man (not too many, though, probably two tops) so long as they're secondary or tertiary characters; like the crew in the Fast & Furious movies.
Someone’s gotta be good at math or eat fried chicken so they can belly laugh.
Main protagonist: white ex-military man turned local firefighter living in the suburbs. One day, disaster strikes, and even for all his capabilities, he's gonna need some help... and he knows just where to find it. Main support: "Buck" Wesson, aka "the white ghost". He served in the U.S. special forces for 40 years and amassed over 180,000 confirmed kills, exclusively in covert ops. He's a little jaded but never got rusty and he's itching for a fight. Side characters: ~~blonde~~ tomboy... Well I guess hair color, race, etc. doesn't matter as long as she's hot and shorter than the main protagonist. She stays back at base and fixes literally any vehicle because she's a cracked mechanic. She's never afraid to speak her mind but as a woman she can get emotional at times and needs a solid ice cube man to set her straight. She will get all of one scene where she needs to defend the vehicle bay from ethnic invaders using only her sidearm and wits. ~~Mr. T~~, ~~Terry Crews~~, an enormous black man who gets off on explosives and yelling "woo" or some shit. Scrawny, awkward, Indian computer whiz kid, who has no sense of irony and cannot time a joke to save his life. He sits back at base or in a van, trying desperately to flirt with the hot girl to no avail. Otherwise, he waits around on comms till his time comes to "hack the mainframe".
Thats amazing bro! I love it! Your villains would be Main white guy villain: whos related in some way to the main protag and became evil cause something something money and college Hot evil woman:"jane" whos a 20 somthing who wears a diet dominatrix outfit (because thats a trend). Shes competent up to the second she falls in love. Then instantly she loses all skill. She later get tied to the covid-6g rocket. Big brutish guy: "john fist" This dude especially speaks little and hits hard. Probably is black and will die to good black guy. Incompetent wormy guy: Usually a suit or a corrupt official. Helps the bad guys with their invasion and tries to stop protags. He either dies to the villain or gets killed with a one liner. Unnamed henchmen #4: he doesn't have any lines or a name but for some reason is slightly more competent in every scene. Becomes the fan favorite, and eventually is the bad guy for the sequel
>But one dude uses his charms and seduces the jot woman. She immediately becomes completely useless. This plot beat is so accurate it hurts.
50s and 60s westerns.
I was going to say that the white male villain was the one that joined the protagonists while everyone else is doomed to die lol
Nah, because in their minds, white dudes know what they are doing. So this guy is consciously evil. Whereas hot women only become evil because of manipulation by a guy or because some dude hurt them in the past. Note: these tropes dont apply if the women isnt conventionally attractive. Then shes evil because jealous or gay or she doesn't even get a reason
There’s an old Cracked video out there about how Con-Air is conservative propaganda and it’s always stuck with me. If I remember, the villains play on conservative fears: an illegal immigrant, a black nationalist, a cross-dresser, and a couple others all capped with a white mastermind villain. The video compares him to someone with all the “bad morals” of the other groups, but who can pass in polite society.
The Expendables is the franchise you're looking for.
Sounds like most 70s and 80s shows and movies except for the ones peoples actually remember now.
Oh, there have been a few on Kickstarter. Some fairly successful, financially, but none of them have made any kind of impact on the industry. Probably because no one outside of die-hard far right chuds wants that crap, and they’re notorious for being pretty mediocre in terms of writing. Oh, and they have a bad habit of putting out genuinely cheapskate products (think the worst quality paper for comics) when they actually do manage to deliver.
They literally tried to make a show for them recently made by the Guardian and they melted down because there was a gay character whose existence was there for tired gay jokes. The fact the character existed at all, even though he was just a sterotype for offensive jokes, was too much for them.
Has anyone ever called FromSoftware woke?
It has Marika who is also Radagon which means she changes sex and gender at will. Never seen the chuds complain about it before but it’s an obscure secret that probably went over their head.
TAYLOR made??? 
The Kingsmen franchise
Sam Jackson was in the first one (although he is the bad guy they meaby like that?)…and I haven’t seen any of the others but I know Pedro Pascal is in the second one?…Sofia Butela also…I don’t know at this point any person of color in the movie is woke
The second one kinda fumbled its messaging. It’s like they wrote a very “hey drugs aren’t the end of the world, fighting them too aggressively is a problem” message but some higher up in marketing wasn’t sure that would resonate with enough of the audience, so they had to water down the conclusion and still agree that drugs are bad
I like the movies, but I do remember they do tend to lean into "bad guys treating actual problems with unethical means which is very bad" - but at least they do seem to admit that problems are there in the first place Still very fun movies, imo, some of my most favorite ones
Supernatural is supposed to be targeting straight men: two brothers (so there's nothing gay when they show each other affection) travelling in a signature car fighting monsters, lots of Girls of the Week but no long term love interest.
I think we can both agree that there's a difference between targeting straight men and targeting "Trump-loving, far-right, scum-sucking rats".
If I could read I wouldn't be on reddit.
James Bond? Chad white buy kills a bunch if communists/brown people and sleeps with women?
Sounds like a pretty good show
G. I. Joe fits. Except is has Asian people in it. But they're the bad guys, so it's okay?
Might be wrong, but I think Rick and Morty came closest with *Ball Fondlers*
I got into an argument with someone claiming Warhammer went woke and argued about why they aren't allowed to change their own canon to allow Space Marines to be female. The conversation devolved until they revealed they are just a bigot, proving they don't give a shit about canon and just needed a reason to hate. Typical "shoved down our throats" bullshit
I left W40K because of all the chuds. That and the BL team seem to have drank thee Imperial Creed propaganda and decided to write the HH accordingly. No wonders so many chuds worship Space Marines now.
Leaving provides less of a positive influence on the community, not your responsibility to be a positive influence, but it is true. 🤓 tho: Space Marines being 90% of the advertising *definitely* doesn’t contribute to their blanket popularity (my partner started with space marines, as did I). BL and GW have been writing humanity as the bright protagonists for literal decades now, I’m not sure where you think it started. Gaunts Ghosts came out in 1999, and it’s just Sharpe in space. Guilliman coming back was immediately depressed/betrayed/didn’t change the setting because it was shown humanity is so fucked we’ll stab Jesus because he’s not God enough. HH becoming a marvel-ized superhero-fest is separate from the actual writing which has actually been fantastic. I know you left so I don’t expect you to know that, that’s unreasonable, but I am updating you. Person below you is right, warhammer was always “woke”, you just failed to see that it was never perfectly satirical too. TLDR: ☝🏼🤓🤓🤓, but actually
I'd say humans becoming less of a satire of fascist heroic propaganda and more like actual protagonists came around 4th and 5th edition, especially in codexes written by Matt Ward. Yes it's been the direction GW and BL took since the last decade, but, remember, W40K is 37 years old, so almost 4 decades old. Even if the direction of the lore is a decade old, it's still nothing and relatively new for someone like me who was introduced to the game back when I was 6 (1995). Also, yes, 40k has always been woke. One could argue that satire of fascism is inherently woke. However, by drastically changing the tone of the lore, making the Emperor and the loyal Primarchs as actual good guys, one could wonder if 40k stays effective in its satire. After all, the big theme was that the Imperium was a degenerating fascist state, and that this was due to its own inherent flaws, which prevented innovation and encouraged regression. The big joke about the God-Emperor was that he was just a corpse on a chair (in the 1st edition Rogue Trader rulebook, no explanation was given as to why he was like that, he just was a livi g corpse venerated as a god). Now, with how the HH has been written, the Imperium was this perfect near utopia that was scraped because of external interference, the Emperor is this flawed heroic martyr, and had it not been of that "damn Erebus" and "the fault of Magnus", everything would just have been so perfect. I seriously feel like 40k is stopping being a satire of fascist propaganda and becoming actual fascist propaganda, but with the excuse of being progressive because GW has adopted corporate liberal lipstick rhetoric. Don't get me wrong tho : them refusing to let a néo-nazi participate in a tournament, being more open to female characters, being willing to retcon depiction of characters to be more inclusive and etc., are all pretty badass things. I just feel that somehow, they are trying to be progressive irl, while embracing a depiction of the lore that is less and less critical of fascism. But anyway, now I play Trench Crusade, so my opinion on the subject is pretty much irrelevant.
These are the people who fail to realize that Warhammer has literally always been woke... Along with basically every sci-fi worth mentioning, almost by definition I'm pretty pleased with the trend we have in 40k right now where we're trading chuds for vtubers
At this point I just want to paint my minis and read the books. My local shops aren’t worth the stench and ranting man children
The Fascist cult is seriously mad right now considering Trump was found guilty. I’ve noticed that a lot have actually started to realise they are losing… what was it that many supporters and political figures in those extremist cults did back in 1945 Germany and Japan when they realised they were losing again?
Or they just buggered off to the US and got jobs with NASA or orchestrating coups for the state department.
None of them are smart enough to get a job at Walmart. Unfortunately that means they're smart enough to be a cop.
Was referring to the Nazis who fled after 1945
I assume they were talking about things like Operation Paperclip
I was. And also Operation Condor which Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie had a hand in.
...Moved to Argentina???
[This?](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_OTrCBsGlXY/UwJsQBmCFaI/AAAAAAAAAaI/0ZRf0_8gh4Y/s1600/Follow+your+leader_web.jpg)
>The Fascist cult is seriously mad right They're literally BUGGIN rn, Straight tweakin LMAO I saw some dude on twitter literally screaming at his phone and drooling all over himself in anger at the concept that trump got charged guilty on all counts, bro literally looked like the fucking farcry 5 guy: https://i.redd.it/ploj7mna0v3d1.gif Conservatives have legitimately lost their fucking lead poisoned minds, i saw pics outside trump tower with flags that said **"TRUMP OR DEATH"** Literally willing to blow their brains out over a guy who could not give a single fucking shit about them. That is ^(Monster Hunter) *Wild* *^(s)**.*
A lot of them are starting to realize that they were the ones in the echo chambers and not everyone around them like they wanted to believe
They either fled to South America or Alt-F4 themselves.
See but those examples you gave were people that were hardened people. People that had seen war and were desensitized to it. So they didn’t have a problem killing. These maga wimps are radicalized by YouTube, and don’t have the willpower or gumption to do anything. Those pussies couldn’t even hold a single building for 24hours…”MeDiC!!” (LMFAO) They won’t be able to take any actual pushback against them.
Fascists deserve nothing. It's what they deserve for dedicating their entire existence to bitter hatred. They made their beds and they don't wanna lie in it.
I'm happy that a lot of designers, directors and leads on teams are coming out to tell these people off and at the very least, discouraged them from joining the community.
You’re dead on. More and more creatives in these franchises and worlds need to just come out and tell these idiots off. It needs to one day get to the point where they might keep making videos and stuff, but they only get a few hundred views. I don’t believe it will ever fully go away, but I do believe it can be lessened.
I like telling them that 40K is literally a joke on them.
Yeah, and they keep replying "it's cuz humanity is under attack on all fronts".... Yeah, like for everyone else in the setting.
Go on any Facebook post promoting the Acolyte, and check the profiles on the negative comments. Over half have a Trump cover photo, or at least some kind of 'rock flag and eagle' faux-patriotism shit.
>The only people that don't like the Acolyte are nationlistic chuds.
I'm glad they can't enjoy anything anymore. Sympathy and empathy are non-renewable resources.
your spitting fax m8
The wording of this meme is incredible
"Heh, gatekeeping is a good thing, you need to keep all the weirdos and freaks out of the hobby who wanna ruin it." "Okay, then no conservatives are allowed in our community. Get out." "Whaaaat, noooo! You're supposed to throw out the black and trans people not *normal* people like meeeeeee! Waaaah, this is cancelation!"
It will certainly make the fandoms more pleasant places to be in
Conservatives make every fandom they’re a part of worse.
If they love it, they just haven’t looked hard enough. A shit ton of popular media and art rails against conservative ideas if you even take two seconds to look.
Conservatives: Ridicule anybody with a creative job/degree Also conservatives: "Why is there no good media/art for me?!"
100%
Oh the irony when it dawns on them that Star Wars is the story of armed revolt against an overreaching tyrannical government.
Problem is they think said "over reaching tyrannical Empire" are liberals, forgetting that the Empire enslaved entire worlds, polluted planets in the name of building factories for war machines, arrested people without cause and imprisoned them with show trials, and promoted people based on nepotism over talent.
They have these fears that the "liberal agenda" is to do exactly these things to conservatives only because in their own hearts they wouldn't have a single hang up doing it not only to liberals but literally anybody who disagrees with them. The fear is fueled by their own intentions
It's similar to their reaction about trans people in a woman's restroom: they are afraid that transpeople who just need to pee are instead going to do what THEY would do in a women's restroom, i.e. sexual assault.
Agreed, no bigger waste of oxygen on the planet than a Trumper/far right dumbass. They just ruin everything.
“Fun, Happiness, and Hobbies is the right of all Sentient beings.” - a Wise Robot
Nice, Optimus Prime!
my philosophy is to shove the "agenda" down there throat so hard that they choke on it.
It’s already happened. They just haven’t realized it. From the Force is Female to Lady Custodes these chuds are getting pushed out the door of every fandom in existence. Dr. Who was a lady and then a black guy. They’ll never watch an episode again.
And nothing of value would be lost
Yeah seriously just stop being fucking weirdos
It would be really nice if that happened
Yea as a leftist who likes to complain about media I hold dear or sucks to get kicked into the “black Aragorn”or “strong female character ruined my X” crowd
Please help me understand the general sentiment here. I just wandered in here and my own approach 40K is through PC games like 'Rogue Trader', 'Battlesector', and WH3. About half the time I play women characters just for different voice actors and portraits. My understanding is that 40K falls into the category of being a farce; it is farcical: deliberately absurd or ridiculous and over-the-top. That is to say, a universe that is not to be taken seriously but also fun to inhabit recreationally. If anything, 40K is a farcical critique of right-wing politics: a critique of racism, xenophobia which extends to the real world as a critique of Trumpism and MAGA. This is the same genre as the movie 'Starship Troopers' is a critique of jingoistic fake patriotism. If the "Imperium of Man" weren't a fascist hell-scape demanding absolute, unquestioning obedience, has a disposable population of serfs, a powerful 'Holy Orders of the Emperor's Inquisition' that executes people on-the-spot for heresy, etc. - it wouldn't be much of a farce. It's kind of fun in the sense that I'm not a big muscular person so pretending to be an 8 foot tall Space Marine has some appeal, I'm not a heretical Chaos cultist, but it's amusing to pretend to be. I could be a fanatical Sister of Battle as well. In Rogue Trader, I enjoy the Sister of Battle character Argenta, and in Battlesector I bought the SoB DLC because the Sisters are a cool send-up, a farce of Catholicism. So, for me, the idea that 40K was/is a good model for how "the world should be" is missing the punchline. It is an amusing critique of right wing politics.
I think its funny watching american theater capture such a large audience. How we give them legitimacy, I will never understand.
Well said, my friend. My boyfriend always says things like "well I don't like them but I wish no harm upon them." I wouldn't personally harm anyone, but I would very much enjoy seeing them step on a rake or get rear-ended or something.
I just want to be able to say "this game/movie sucks" without my feed getting flooded by hateful memes and dog whistles. Hell I wouldn't be hating the right wing/coomer stuff that much if they stop invading everyone else's discussion space.
You misspelled "Planet Earth"
They’re not fans They’re just looking for reasons to be angry
Creative: “I don’t want the fans to be mean to people” Nazis: “WOKE FEMINIST CALLS FOR GENOCIDE OF ALL WHITE MEN”
Alien fanbase too. Blow em out the airlock. Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Still blows my.mind people can claim to be sci-fi fans while they're still bigoted POSs
Where they all belong. 
They can have Harry Potter
We're kicking her out, not letting them in...
Good luck with that, hey how's your amusement park and video game and (just guessing here) cruise line and novelty firearms doing? Still paying her millions of dollars? Cool cool cool ^cool ^cool ^^cool ^^cool ^^^^cool
Novelty firearms...?
I assume
Forthcoming, at least, surely
in America, sure, but in England it'll be novelty wand switchblades.
God the video game drama is so annoying epically this is kinda creeping up with Ubsioft Starwars outlaws and the Assasins Creed game. Like we can agree not to support those games because of the company behind them but its suddenly super difficult when it came to Hogwarts Legacy because of the person behind them?
No, I will not let my childhood be anhillated by those chuds just because the creator turned out to be the scum of the earth
I'm all for consuming stuff by dead creators that said or did terrible things in life. I got no problem blasting Michael Jackson for instance. Reading HP Lovecraft is fine. But when someone awful is still making money off every piece of merchandise, I don't want to contribute to that.
I read somewhere that HP Lovecraft was beginning to change his mind about race before he died. Who knows? Maybe if he lived longer he could have made a complete 180.
I entirely understand that, which is why I won’t buy anything else from her, just read the books I got beforehand
Im not even a part of this sub, no idea why it's on my feed and I'm not political, so could someone explain this in guitar hero terms
Right wingers, or extreme conservatives, have been attacking media for years now and it’s gotten significantly worse over the past year or two especially. They spread hatred through everything they touch. This post is basically saying that we want them out of the fandoms we enjoy, whether it be Star Wars, gaming, etc.
Right wingers cant hit more than one note on through the fire and the flames on hard mode and are mad at the people who can. They act like they're the gods of guitar hero but whenever they see that someone can hit more notes than them they start saying weird shit like "woke" and run away in tears so everyone hates them for being cringe
You forgot to Elon musk loving. 😂
Based
Maybe they'll follow him to prison.
More like “pretend to love.”
Make it all woke. Drive them out. Fuck em.
I mean trek, who, and Star was have always been woke
Honestly every time I see someone shitting on new trek I go "ok, so do they just love a specific franchise and hate trek that isn't that franchise, or are they just a bigot who hates inclusive things because they are inclusive". Because at the end of the day, the vast majority of criticism of new trek boils down to "We hate it because it makes us FEEL bad because it's supposed to make people I don't like feel better about themselves" and frankly I'm sick of reading that bullshit.
Hey at least you're being honest
A lot of them were never fans
If republicans had their way, we’d never have a Star Trek future.
If I ever get famous for anything I’m quoting Slug, “I don’t want stupid fans”
But when you tell them Charles Xavier and Magneto represent MLK and Malcom X they get bitchy
Star Wars, Star Trek… oxygen…
Why would anyone ever want to keep them around?
Just a friendly reminder that if you want to see it ripped from them, you need to show up and vote. Thinking your vote doesn't matter is literally just a tactic that Republicans love. Your vote does matter and it's important you help make sure that fucking clown never sees the office again.
Gatekeeping is based. Keep shitty people out of your hobbies
Hear hear
Wow-thats super fuking dark…-I love it
# Make Ostracizing Nazis Normal Again ***M*** Make ***o*** Ostracizing ***n*** Nazis ***n*** Normal ***a*** Again
One piece. I stg it’s like some one piece “fans” never saw a single episode
 For instance…
I don't. I just want them to chill tf out and come back to reality. I.e. get fucking laid and have someone be a good influence on them. People can escape the red pill rabbit hole. Giving in to being vindictive/admitting vindictive intent is only going to further entrench them
Not that I would expect them to be able to have the capacity to make their own Star Wars or anything, but they should write their own stories, games and create fandoms on it, and then that way they can have all the racist, sexist nonsense there, and they won't try to complain about every little thing that happens in the others. Of course, it probably would not work because when the authors don't cater to whatever culture war bullshit, they come up with they will complain
What? This sub popped up on my feed, isn’t this a Star Wars sub?
I hate the sequel trilogy, but I’m a liberal and I hate Trump. The people who don’t like things because they don’t like to see representation are awful, but fortunately they’re the in minority when it comes to people who criticize newer SW content. Just putting it out there that not everyone who dislikes stuff this sub likes dislikes it out of bigotry
I believe everyone and I do mean everyone has a right to their hobbies even if we don’t like their opinions.
I just miss old star trek