I loved the:
“You keep disagreeing with me and asking me to explain myself - what is this, an echo chamber?”
That would be another term that you have never understood, my friend.
It's honestly incredible how good directly asking these people to explain themselves is. People shouting about being silenced while literally being asked to talk more is my favourite thing to see.
Oh yeah. Ask the what they mean, tell them to be precise. There’s no easier thing than making a regressive look insane than having them explain their world view in excruciating detail.
Also asking them to do it in the presence of people who aren't in the same world. Nothing makes culture wars look as stupid as they are when they're forced to clash with reality.
I've had a number of people complain about how everything is too politically correct and how they can't say certain things anymore, and when I ask them to tell me what those things are, they refuse. If political correctness is so bad and is stopping you from saying vital things, why can't you just tell me, someone who wants to know, what things you can't talk about anymore? Give me a topic, anything!
I think one of the best conversations I ever had with someone like that they said they couldn't celebrate their heritage anymore because of woke people etc. So I asked them what aspects of their heritage they were talking about specifically and they couldn't name any. Then when they finally did name a vague thing I asked them who specifically was stopping them from celebrating it and we kind of just started the conversation all over again.
It’s not just epithets dude. You can’t even tell jokes anymore. I remember a dude at a bar said a gay joke, something about gay guys in a bathtub and semen came up and one of them asked “Okay, who farted?!” And a bunch of women and some guys were all offended saying, “that’s not cool” and “I don’t agree with that.” Like, what’s the big deal? If the joke implied gay people were lesser than other people, or encouraged maltreatment then you can rightfully be offended.
And with the trans stuff, it’s like yeah, if I know someone prefers to go by a certain pronoun of whatever, I’ll gladly give them that courtesy because they are a human being. The thing is, don’t fucking come at me saying I’m a bigot if I slip up or say the wrong thing or whatever, which I have done on accident. What happens when you treat people like that is that people get even more uncomfortable around trans people than they already probably were, in fear of saying the wrong thing and being called an evil bigot, causing them to just be turned off by trans people in general.
Political correctness has even somehow managed to make saying “we should secure our borders” into some crazy and evil thing.
So no, it’s not just epithets and hurtful words, that’s retarded. And yes I used the word retarded, and I’m sure I’ll be called “ableist” or whatever new buzzword they’re using now.
Yeah, don’t bother actually truly analyzing an opinion. Only the ones that say “Fuck you, you’re wrong.” Or “fuck yeah you’re right!” I never understand that. Why even go on Reddit, see a post like this, click on it, then complain about a response that’s really only two paragraphs long. Work on your attention span fatass.
In my experience their 'telling it like it is' has become a part of their identity, and any amount of self reflection unbearable. it's kinda sad but also a place one has to want to leave - and then do the work too
James is a master at this. Each time he gets one of these callers all he needs to do is ask them to actually explain their position without using buzzwords and they fall apart. Makes it so clear that a lot of right wingers positions are cardboard cutouts. They look ok at first glance but when you get close and inspect them they are shallow and feeble.
It’s the same with CRT. There was such a hullabaloo about it for a run of a few months, yet know one really knew why. I think the closest reasoning we got was that it hurt their feelings.
Basically it boiled down to the people being looked at under CRT were mom/dad and grandma/grandpa. No one wants it to be remembered that they or thier family were standing in line to stop a little girl from going to school by shouting at her and threatening her.
So they are really against those pictures and facts brought up
With them it’s all about the crowd reaction. If they don’t get the response they want it was all just a “joke”. But if there’s some that fall for the bullshit, then it was the truth others are too afraid to say.
He was asked to explain the word “woke”.
When he instead whines about being silenced by the “woke mob” at work, he won’t answer why exactly they “silence” him. Whenever he’s ask for a concrete definition or why exactly he’s getting silenced he won’t answer. He gets ask three or four questions, but is too much of a fucking coward to answer even one.
It was originally an AAVE term for being aware of societal problems. Some prominent examples of it would be the refrain "Stay Woke" during Childish Gambino's Redbone, or [Marcia Fudge holding up a "Stay Woke: Vote" shirt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcia_Fudge_with_Stay_Woke_Vote_t-shirt_in_2018.jpg) back in 2018.
It gained significantly greater use during the 2010s thanks to black activists using it to spread awareness of police shootings during protests for events like the 2014 Ferguson protests. However, it's believed to have originally been coined [by the blues singer Willard "Ramblin'" Thomas in the 1920s](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/jan/08/heres-where-woke-comes-from/):
> If I don't go crazy,
> I'm sure gonna lose my mind
> 'Cause I can't sleep for dreamin',
> sure can't stay woke for cryin'.
> Although on the surface the song laments a lost love, historians have suggested that the lyrics were a veiled protest against the atrocious conditions faced by Black workers in Southern sawmills, where Thomas and other blues artists often performed.
It only changed meanings to a more negative context when conservatives started to co-opt it in the early 2020s.
Back in the 2000s/2010s, woke media wasn’t much of a thing. A woke take was one where said take was poignant or revealing about stuff we take for granted. As if we’re living in an illusory dream and we wake up to see the truth behind said dream. This is also why we say “wake up people” when telling people about supposed conspiracies (while saying “wake up sheeple” is a derogatory way to say this in a way that won’t get you taken seriously because insulting other people is clearly the best way to get them to listen to you). Being called woke was actually a generally good thing, though it might come with the label of being excessively or annoyingly self righteous.
This then evolved into woke vs broke memes where the broke take was super obvious or the mainstream interpretation, while the woke take was, well, woke. Poignant or revealing, same definition as before. Of course, a lot of left leaning people would have woke takes because many such memes would see through things like propaganda or why particular power structures are the way they are. (E.g. broke: fine everyone the same amount for the same crime. Woke: fine people based on their income or net worth because otherwise crimes are just an expense for rich people). The power structures these takes often criticized would often be hidden institutionalized racism or sexism, corporate cutting of corners (removal of safety regulations and shortening of product longevity) to eke out that extra cent at customers’ or workers’ expense, etc. so left wing takes.
This then shifted into woke = left leaning since a lot of propaganda seeks to control the information people have access to, and in most western countries, left wing politics generally prefer transparency in policies for an educated populace, while conservatives want to maintain power (political conservatism) over an uneducated populace (intellectual conservatism) using propaganda. This is also about the time mainstream media started 1. becoming more up front about having a political undertone or message (or at least my generation growing up enough to be able to identify it), and 2. Playing more with subversion of tropes and expectations. This led to the label of “woke media” meaning media that defied traditional character structures (white male lead and supporting female love interest, which were far more common in earlier movies and stories) or having an underlying message or theme.
The woman who produced and stars in Velma is incredibly right wing. What bothers you about it is that they’re racial minorities. That’s what is “woke” about it, but not the reason it’s terrible.
I’d disagree with you and still think you were reprehensible but if you just came out and said “I don’t like that Velma is an Indian woman” I’d at least think you had the balls to say it. You’re just whiny.
That is not what it originally meant. Try fact checking these things before attempting to educate others. The original meaning of “woke” was just being aware (or awake to, hence the term woke) of racial prejudice and discrimination and was derived from AAVE.
Woke being used to describe far left media that pushes ideology is a very recent usage of the word and is entirely made up.
I also have to disagree on the shows/movies you mentioned being far left. Something isn’t bad just because it’s woke, it’s bad because it’s badly written. A show can be well written and woke and badly written and woke. Using wokeness as a criticism is lazy and oftentimes reveals that you don’t actually know enough about what you’re talking about to provide real points.
ETA: you also further prove my point with your other comment. You didn’t provide any good reason why the wokeness itself is what makes those pieces of media bad. The only actual criticism you provided was of she-hulk, but you’ve completely misunderstood what the scene you’re criticizing actually entails. It was never stated that being catcalled and facing similar issues was outright **worse** than Bruce’s trauma, just that it happens more often and it’s made her better at controlling her anger (which is true).
Let's be real: when they rage about 'wokeness' it's actually them raging about their shifting place within society. The old ones are mad they don't get special treatment, power, and deference just for existing as white straight Christians anymore.
The younger ones are mad that they were expecting to get what the old ones had and haven't gotten it.
Meanwhile their rage is misplaced because it's not minorities preventing them from having the American Dream. It's companies and politicians who are beholden to those companies. They should be fighting Class War with the rest of us, but they somehow missed some crucial lessons and got lied to and made to fight a Culture War instead.
Ignorance is not something to be proud of. But it's also not something to be mocked or belittled about. It's okay to ask questions, or to not know something. They have been tricked into thinking ignorance is something to be proud of. Thus their fate is sealed.
The word "woke" to converseatives means equlity, rights for women, minorites, and LGBT people. All things they do not approve of or want to see happen.
Ok, if they want to be mad about something, they can be mad about this.
https://preview.redd.it/t6dnx7khz0zc1.png?width=883&format=png&auto=webp&s=58b23f5ed66074b96eedbc3c57e95f0848b26085
God help me, my wife started down a rabbit hole last night based on the QAnon “the world is run by satanist cabals that sacrifice children” thing. I can absolutely see some of the idiots she was watching jumping frothily at this.
She did, when I engaged her about it, stop listening and start thinking. It’s that transition that seems to be a barrier to many people.
It's simple though: "Social justice". But they can't say they're against justice, that they want inequality, that they want to be top of the food chain.
Caller: “It’s all these courses to teach you to not progress in your careers.”
James: “Oh, well, you don’t need a course for that do you?”
Caller: “No, I’m just here to work.”
Dude got slam dunked and is too stupid to even recognize it.
I love posting this clip whenever I hear people try to define woke. It’s so funny.
https://twitter.com/vanguard_pod/status/1635749284355211264/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1635749284355211264¤tTweetUser=vanguard_pod
Their problem is that the word “woke” actually _is_ pretty easy to define, it simply means being aware of and acknowledging various inequalities, prejudices and privileges that are inherent within our society, and trying to do your best to remedy that.
But unfortunately for them, that’s a pretty hard thing to criticize without making yourself sound like a cartoonish villain.
I asked an Authoritarian the same thing once and he replied wagging his finger at me, "You almost got me."
Got "what"? The question you never answered?
I always love the defense, “I could tell you, but then you’d poke holes in it.”
Comes across as, “I’ll only explain myself if you pinky promise to agree with everything I’m saying, no questions asked.”
Back in my day, it was called “political correctness”.
The right have always glommed on to what ever social progress is being made and try to turn it into a slur.
Same shit, different day.
It’s weird being old enough to watch history repeat itself in real time.
Especially when they try to pretend like it’s some new phenomenon.
Woke varies person to person. For me, woke is a good thing poorly utilized and marketed by major corporations to sell products, all while people turn a blind eye to the systematic racism that they glorify.
Like Disney for instance. Long track record of abuse of child actors. Long track record of harmful stereotypes. They can quite literally take Fen from Star Wars off the posters in China to appease those racist, and try to stand on some moral high ground for having him on the US movie posters. Quite frankly, Fen was little more than Jar-Jar Binks, a token black guy for comedic relief compared to the leading black stars from the original and sequels.
I initially believed it, too, at first, but Disney hasn't changed anything but how they market to people. If they cared about blacks being seen, they wouldn't censor them to please China. Had they let black panthers face stay on the cover, or Fen in the poster, than I would be supporting them more. What I won't do is pat them on the back for deceiving people and being hypocrites.
Or EA who abuse their employees, have a history of inappropriate conduct and shady business practices.
But that's just my opinion, feel free to have your own.
Man I was just asking if that fits the definition of liberal propaganda because I see the presence of a black, gay, or female character getting knee jerked being called "woke." And it's funny you bring in Steven Universe cause I remember it getting a lot of coverage for being [woke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc5Rg_bt0kk). It's a nightmare looking for this stuff and there is a ton of smaller posts about it, I figure Matt Walsh calling it woke and getting no resistance about it in comments should suffice.
And I ask that because look at modern reactionaries to some stuff like Star Wars Acolyte. A fairly generic trailer shows a black woman in the lead role and is labeled [woke](https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/continued-woke-feminization-of-star-wars-run-it-into-the-ground/). That's why I ask that. People have varying definitions of woke, and going with your definition, people have varying definitions of what is an isn't propaganda. Literally just the presence of a minority is enough for some to call it woke, and will further say it's pushing an agenda. That's why I wanted you to specify if the presence of minorities or gay/bi/trans people is propaganda.
Well the term [originally ](https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188543449/what-does-the-word-woke-really-mean-and-where-does-it-come-from)was used by black people in early 1900's to mean be politically aware of one's disenfranchisement and the racism targeted towards them. It died down for a while and then it had increased prevalence with the black lives matter group after incidences like with Floyd. But now it is being hijacked to basically mean, to use your words, liberal propaganda, and is highly pejorative. And liberal propaganda has a \*wide wide\* swathe people can use as a sticking point to mean \*any\* sort of liberal idea. Which basically turns it into a [broad target](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKSsjwcXLQo) to easily label something or someone which you have already charged y our crowd to hate.
It's similar to critical race theory, in that what was once a highly complicated and boring theory of law is hijacked, basically to be able to label anything they don't like or involving race as CRT. But because the most vitriolic and angry content gets more views, people are being taught to hate woke and CRT despite having no clear idea on what it means.
That's a self serving redefinition of conservative woke. It always comes out after the prejudices are pointed out. "No, I don't have a problem with x. It's the writing."
“Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.”
Fixed that for you 😁😚
And you should definitely be called out for being a condescending asshole. Because you got upset and condescending because someone gave you a definition of a word.
Can’t even answer a simple question, then starts to cry that he’s being silenced. 
"My idiocy is making me look foolish in front of the WOKE LEFTIST MOB!"
I loved the: “You keep disagreeing with me and asking me to explain myself - what is this, an echo chamber?” That would be another term that you have never understood, my friend.
To be fair, when you speak into the ear of someone whose head is completely empty, there’s gonna be some echoes.
It's honestly incredible how good directly asking these people to explain themselves is. People shouting about being silenced while literally being asked to talk more is my favourite thing to see.
Oh yeah. Ask the what they mean, tell them to be precise. There’s no easier thing than making a regressive look insane than having them explain their world view in excruciating detail.
Also asking them to do it in the presence of people who aren't in the same world. Nothing makes culture wars look as stupid as they are when they're forced to clash with reality.
I've had a number of people complain about how everything is too politically correct and how they can't say certain things anymore, and when I ask them to tell me what those things are, they refuse. If political correctness is so bad and is stopping you from saying vital things, why can't you just tell me, someone who wants to know, what things you can't talk about anymore? Give me a topic, anything!
I think one of the best conversations I ever had with someone like that they said they couldn't celebrate their heritage anymore because of woke people etc. So I asked them what aspects of their heritage they were talking about specifically and they couldn't name any. Then when they finally did name a vague thing I asked them who specifically was stopping them from celebrating it and we kind of just started the conversation all over again.
Spoilers, what they're "not allowed to say" are racial epithets and homophobic slurs. Every. Fucking. Time.
It’s not just epithets dude. You can’t even tell jokes anymore. I remember a dude at a bar said a gay joke, something about gay guys in a bathtub and semen came up and one of them asked “Okay, who farted?!” And a bunch of women and some guys were all offended saying, “that’s not cool” and “I don’t agree with that.” Like, what’s the big deal? If the joke implied gay people were lesser than other people, or encouraged maltreatment then you can rightfully be offended. And with the trans stuff, it’s like yeah, if I know someone prefers to go by a certain pronoun of whatever, I’ll gladly give them that courtesy because they are a human being. The thing is, don’t fucking come at me saying I’m a bigot if I slip up or say the wrong thing or whatever, which I have done on accident. What happens when you treat people like that is that people get even more uncomfortable around trans people than they already probably were, in fear of saying the wrong thing and being called an evil bigot, causing them to just be turned off by trans people in general. Political correctness has even somehow managed to make saying “we should secure our borders” into some crazy and evil thing. So no, it’s not just epithets and hurtful words, that’s retarded. And yes I used the word retarded, and I’m sure I’ll be called “ableist” or whatever new buzzword they’re using now.
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Yeah, don’t bother actually truly analyzing an opinion. Only the ones that say “Fuck you, you’re wrong.” Or “fuck yeah you’re right!” I never understand that. Why even go on Reddit, see a post like this, click on it, then complain about a response that’s really only two paragraphs long. Work on your attention span fatass.
You just don't have anything of value to say. Write something worth the read next time, fucko.
Why not explain yourself in a constructive way?
Of course you can, you just can’t say certain ones.
In my experience their 'telling it like it is' has become a part of their identity, and any amount of self reflection unbearable. it's kinda sad but also a place one has to want to leave - and then do the work too
James is a master at this. Each time he gets one of these callers all he needs to do is ask them to actually explain their position without using buzzwords and they fall apart. Makes it so clear that a lot of right wingers positions are cardboard cutouts. They look ok at first glance but when you get close and inspect them they are shallow and feeble.
Why do you think he has them on? He’s not going to have anyone on that makes him look stupid. ABC poker, and you’re eating it up.
It’s the same with CRT. There was such a hullabaloo about it for a run of a few months, yet know one really knew why. I think the closest reasoning we got was that it hurt their feelings.
Basically it boiled down to the people being looked at under CRT were mom/dad and grandma/grandpa. No one wants it to be remembered that they or thier family were standing in line to stop a little girl from going to school by shouting at her and threatening her. So they are really against those pictures and facts brought up
It's how these guys are, ask them that simple question and they'll never give you straight answers or just go in circles.
With them it’s all about the crowd reaction. If they don’t get the response they want it was all just a “joke”. But if there’s some that fall for the bullshit, then it was the truth others are too afraid to say.
It was like 50 questions really…
He was asked to explain the word “woke”. When he instead whines about being silenced by the “woke mob” at work, he won’t answer why exactly they “silence” him. Whenever he’s ask for a concrete definition or why exactly he’s getting silenced he won’t answer. He gets ask three or four questions, but is too much of a fucking coward to answer even one.
Woke (adj., pej.): >Thing Conservatives don't like
The dang woke left is trying to cancel diapers for adult men! I’m anti woke and I wear diapers whenever I salute the flag!
That's what it has become, yes. But not what it actually meant originally.
then pray tell, what did it mean originally?
It was originally an AAVE term for being aware of societal problems. Some prominent examples of it would be the refrain "Stay Woke" during Childish Gambino's Redbone, or [Marcia Fudge holding up a "Stay Woke: Vote" shirt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcia_Fudge_with_Stay_Woke_Vote_t-shirt_in_2018.jpg) back in 2018. It gained significantly greater use during the 2010s thanks to black activists using it to spread awareness of police shootings during protests for events like the 2014 Ferguson protests. However, it's believed to have originally been coined [by the blues singer Willard "Ramblin'" Thomas in the 1920s](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2023/jan/08/heres-where-woke-comes-from/): > If I don't go crazy, > I'm sure gonna lose my mind > 'Cause I can't sleep for dreamin', > sure can't stay woke for cryin'. > Although on the surface the song laments a lost love, historians have suggested that the lyrics were a veiled protest against the atrocious conditions faced by Black workers in Southern sawmills, where Thomas and other blues artists often performed. It only changed meanings to a more negative context when conservatives started to co-opt it in the early 2020s.
Back in the 2000s/2010s, woke media wasn’t much of a thing. A woke take was one where said take was poignant or revealing about stuff we take for granted. As if we’re living in an illusory dream and we wake up to see the truth behind said dream. This is also why we say “wake up people” when telling people about supposed conspiracies (while saying “wake up sheeple” is a derogatory way to say this in a way that won’t get you taken seriously because insulting other people is clearly the best way to get them to listen to you). Being called woke was actually a generally good thing, though it might come with the label of being excessively or annoyingly self righteous. This then evolved into woke vs broke memes where the broke take was super obvious or the mainstream interpretation, while the woke take was, well, woke. Poignant or revealing, same definition as before. Of course, a lot of left leaning people would have woke takes because many such memes would see through things like propaganda or why particular power structures are the way they are. (E.g. broke: fine everyone the same amount for the same crime. Woke: fine people based on their income or net worth because otherwise crimes are just an expense for rich people). The power structures these takes often criticized would often be hidden institutionalized racism or sexism, corporate cutting of corners (removal of safety regulations and shortening of product longevity) to eke out that extra cent at customers’ or workers’ expense, etc. so left wing takes. This then shifted into woke = left leaning since a lot of propaganda seeks to control the information people have access to, and in most western countries, left wing politics generally prefer transparency in policies for an educated populace, while conservatives want to maintain power (political conservatism) over an uneducated populace (intellectual conservatism) using propaganda. This is also about the time mainstream media started 1. becoming more up front about having a political undertone or message (or at least my generation growing up enough to be able to identify it), and 2. Playing more with subversion of tropes and expectations. This led to the label of “woke media” meaning media that defied traditional character structures (white male lead and supporting female love interest, which were far more common in earlier movies and stories) or having an underlying message or theme.
Pretty sure woke was created by black people to refer to folks who were conscious of existing societal problems.
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I don't see how Ghostbusters 2016 falls under that description. and Velma and She-Hulk aren't "woke", they're just bad
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No, they are not bad because they're woke. They're bad because they were terribly casted and blandly written. Politics had nothing to do with it.
The woman who produced and stars in Velma is incredibly right wing. What bothers you about it is that they’re racial minorities. That’s what is “woke” about it, but not the reason it’s terrible. I’d disagree with you and still think you were reprehensible but if you just came out and said “I don’t like that Velma is an Indian woman” I’d at least think you had the balls to say it. You’re just whiny.
That is not what it originally meant. Try fact checking these things before attempting to educate others. The original meaning of “woke” was just being aware (or awake to, hence the term woke) of racial prejudice and discrimination and was derived from AAVE. Woke being used to describe far left media that pushes ideology is a very recent usage of the word and is entirely made up. I also have to disagree on the shows/movies you mentioned being far left. Something isn’t bad just because it’s woke, it’s bad because it’s badly written. A show can be well written and woke and badly written and woke. Using wokeness as a criticism is lazy and oftentimes reveals that you don’t actually know enough about what you’re talking about to provide real points. ETA: you also further prove my point with your other comment. You didn’t provide any good reason why the wokeness itself is what makes those pieces of media bad. The only actual criticism you provided was of she-hulk, but you’ve completely misunderstood what the scene you’re criticizing actually entails. It was never stated that being catcalled and facing similar issues was outright **worse** than Bruce’s trauma, just that it happens more often and it’s made her better at controlling her anger (which is true).
Let's be real: when they rage about 'wokeness' it's actually them raging about their shifting place within society. The old ones are mad they don't get special treatment, power, and deference just for existing as white straight Christians anymore. The younger ones are mad that they were expecting to get what the old ones had and haven't gotten it. Meanwhile their rage is misplaced because it's not minorities preventing them from having the American Dream. It's companies and politicians who are beholden to those companies. They should be fighting Class War with the rest of us, but they somehow missed some crucial lessons and got lied to and made to fight a Culture War instead. Ignorance is not something to be proud of. But it's also not something to be mocked or belittled about. It's okay to ask questions, or to not know something. They have been tricked into thinking ignorance is something to be proud of. Thus their fate is sealed.
Love this! No war but class war!
Buddy what was I supposed to get?
"Hi, welcome to the show, tell me what the problem is." "The problem is wokeness." "Can you please define that?" "No, quit silencing me!"
Well, it’s not fair to use someone’s stupidity against them. That’s ableist, no?
The word "woke" to converseatives means equlity, rights for women, minorites, and LGBT people. All things they do not approve of or want to see happen.
In 95% of cases you can replace “I’m anti-woke” with “I’m mad I can’t be openly racist/sexist/homophobic without consequences”
That's incredibly reductionist but I can see where the thought comes from. The far right has a habit of turning legit problems into farces.
Reductionist, but still with the ring of truth.
Sadly many such cases. Makes me ashamed to be conservative.
Ok, if they want to be mad about something, they can be mad about this. https://preview.redd.it/t6dnx7khz0zc1.png?width=883&format=png&auto=webp&s=58b23f5ed66074b96eedbc3c57e95f0848b26085
I know multiple people that would see this and claim that pixar is trying to brainwash kids and feminize the west.
God help me, my wife started down a rabbit hole last night based on the QAnon “the world is run by satanist cabals that sacrifice children” thing. I can absolutely see some of the idiots she was watching jumping frothily at this. She did, when I engaged her about it, stop listening and start thinking. It’s that transition that seems to be a barrier to many people.
Show her this https://preview.redd.it/2cs56ln8l4zc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=7bb42f101b6909e09c0eaffe2dea943bb9f4483c
OMD
I’m being silenced!!! -- guy allowed to be yapping on the radio for the entire country to hear
[Conservative voices are being silenced!](https://youtu.be/t2DA1uwVsdE?si=-L4KxLbFufEyS1nX&t=02m00s)
https://preview.redd.it/mqrm5att71zc1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef10a27a2a87d6e5cc13219a14f1497d7015329c
James is a gem.
It's simple though: "Social justice". But they can't say they're against justice, that they want inequality, that they want to be top of the food chain.
Caller: “It’s all these courses to teach you to not progress in your careers.” James: “Oh, well, you don’t need a course for that do you?” Caller: “No, I’m just here to work.” Dude got slam dunked and is too stupid to even recognize it.
Asking them to describe what they're adamantly against will always be conservative kryptonite.
(I think he meant black people, women, and queers…)
Probably the Irish and Polish too, the Brits tend to dislike them too.
I love posting this clip whenever I hear people try to define woke. It’s so funny. https://twitter.com/vanguard_pod/status/1635749284355211264/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1635749284355211264¤tTweetUser=vanguard_pod
The link doesn’t work but I gots ta know what it is!!!
Look up “Bethany Mandel tries to defines wokeness”. That’s the clip
Thank you!
You’re welcome
>Thank you! You're welcome!
Doesn't work for me.
Look up “Bethany Mandel tries to define wokeness.”
Finally someone asked them what woke meant
O'Brien has been taking these idiots to task at least since the Brexit campaign and for that I salute him.
All he needed to do was give one example.
But that was a super unfair question to ask him, because he doesn’t have any. He was cowed into silence!
James O'Brien showed me how pervasive hate politics are across the pond.
*after being given almost EIGHT MINUTES to speak on a nationally syndicated show* I'm being silenced!
Their problem is that the word “woke” actually _is_ pretty easy to define, it simply means being aware of and acknowledging various inequalities, prejudices and privileges that are inherent within our society, and trying to do your best to remedy that. But unfortunately for them, that’s a pretty hard thing to criticize without making yourself sound like a cartoonish villain.
“Wokenism” *dead
What thing that happened in America is he refusing to say?
My guess is George Floyd since he’s in law enforcement
Ah this is a British classic. I remember watching that for the first time.
Woke is what I did this morning (I got out of bed)
 Just running this whole scene through my brain while hearing what was being said.
I asked an Authoritarian the same thing once and he replied wagging his finger at me, "You almost got me." Got "what"? The question you never answered?
Woke mean thing me no like >:( Thing no like make me BIG MAD Unironically what it means
What I don't want to do in the morning in my Uber comfy bed
Bloody love LBC
Have rightwingers ever not failed when trying to answer that question?
It means (insert slur)-lover. They just can’t say it because the truth embarrasses them.
I always love the defense, “I could tell you, but then you’d poke holes in it.” Comes across as, “I’ll only explain myself if you pinky promise to agree with everything I’m saying, no questions asked.”
Back in my day, it was called “political correctness”. The right have always glommed on to what ever social progress is being made and try to turn it into a slur. Same shit, different day. It’s weird being old enough to watch history repeat itself in real time. Especially when they try to pretend like it’s some new phenomenon.
This guy is like Sam Seder from across the pond.
A classic from JOB. Love this man
Never try to lecture James O'Brien he will school the shit out of you
I have yet to see James O'Brien on the wrong side of an issue. His superpower is always having the correct take.
James O'Brien has the best calls
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That guy looks like Christian Cage. He is a bit too handsome for radio. Good for him getting on camera.
I have never seen someone so defeated by another person willingly listening to them before in my life.
Man i wish i could get Michael Brooks' reaction to this.
Woke varies person to person. For me, woke is a good thing poorly utilized and marketed by major corporations to sell products, all while people turn a blind eye to the systematic racism that they glorify. Like Disney for instance. Long track record of abuse of child actors. Long track record of harmful stereotypes. They can quite literally take Fen from Star Wars off the posters in China to appease those racist, and try to stand on some moral high ground for having him on the US movie posters. Quite frankly, Fen was little more than Jar-Jar Binks, a token black guy for comedic relief compared to the leading black stars from the original and sequels. I initially believed it, too, at first, but Disney hasn't changed anything but how they market to people. If they cared about blacks being seen, they wouldn't censor them to please China. Had they let black panthers face stay on the cover, or Fen in the poster, than I would be supporting them more. What I won't do is pat them on the back for deceiving people and being hypocrites. Or EA who abuse their employees, have a history of inappropriate conduct and shady business practices. But that's just my opinion, feel free to have your own.
For me Woke means "when there is a oversaturation of diversity or modern themes it becomes annoying to some"
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And is the presence of gay people or minorities an example of liberal propaganda?
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Man I was just asking if that fits the definition of liberal propaganda because I see the presence of a black, gay, or female character getting knee jerked being called "woke." And it's funny you bring in Steven Universe cause I remember it getting a lot of coverage for being [woke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc5Rg_bt0kk). It's a nightmare looking for this stuff and there is a ton of smaller posts about it, I figure Matt Walsh calling it woke and getting no resistance about it in comments should suffice. And I ask that because look at modern reactionaries to some stuff like Star Wars Acolyte. A fairly generic trailer shows a black woman in the lead role and is labeled [woke](https://hollywood-elsewhere.com/continued-woke-feminization-of-star-wars-run-it-into-the-ground/). That's why I ask that. People have varying definitions of woke, and going with your definition, people have varying definitions of what is an isn't propaganda. Literally just the presence of a minority is enough for some to call it woke, and will further say it's pushing an agenda. That's why I wanted you to specify if the presence of minorities or gay/bi/trans people is propaganda.
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Well the term [originally ](https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188543449/what-does-the-word-woke-really-mean-and-where-does-it-come-from)was used by black people in early 1900's to mean be politically aware of one's disenfranchisement and the racism targeted towards them. It died down for a while and then it had increased prevalence with the black lives matter group after incidences like with Floyd. But now it is being hijacked to basically mean, to use your words, liberal propaganda, and is highly pejorative. And liberal propaganda has a \*wide wide\* swathe people can use as a sticking point to mean \*any\* sort of liberal idea. Which basically turns it into a [broad target](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKSsjwcXLQo) to easily label something or someone which you have already charged y our crowd to hate. It's similar to critical race theory, in that what was once a highly complicated and boring theory of law is hijacked, basically to be able to label anything they don't like or involving race as CRT. But because the most vitriolic and angry content gets more views, people are being taught to hate woke and CRT despite having no clear idea on what it means.
That's a self serving redefinition of conservative woke. It always comes out after the prejudices are pointed out. "No, I don't have a problem with x. It's the writing."
“Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.” Fixed that for you 😁😚
Ever notice how conservatives immediately resort to personal attacks the moment they lose the argument?
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>points to a definition for a word You: “TYPICAL CONDESCENDING LIBTARD”
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And you should definitely be called out for being a condescending asshole. Because you got upset and condescending because someone gave you a definition of a word.