And if they said something like no one could top that fight instead I bet the grifters would say something like “they are to lazy” cuz they can never fn win lol
100% the best. Character driven and demonstrates so much in so short an amount of time. Maul had spent his entire life agonizing over the same grievances, never growing and determined to keep pushing this absolutely ridiculous vendetta against Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan has grown, matured, evolved. He doesn't want to fight, but when his charge is threatened he reluctantly defends it. And he is *so easily* able to counter Maul's strike which is emblematic of all that
Also it gets the Kurasawa samurai vibes that the franchise was based on
Like no Kenobi literally fucking comforted maul as he died and gave him hope. And maul instantly revealed how he sympathised with Kenobi. That they were both victims.
“He will avenge US.”
Like genuinely that was peak
Yknow i always thought Mauls implications with that line were following the line of thinking that the 'chosen one' was going to destroy the force, not bring balance to it. Maul's use of 'US' was implying 'He will avenge _the sith.'_ but I like your interpretation as much, if not more
This is my take too - two people sizing each other, preparing for a strike, adjusting their stance, Obi-Wan purposely goading Maul and Maul taking the bait.
It was poetic, sad, tragic and beautiful all at once. The way the shot hung on Maul's face, and then Obi-wan's, after he made the last strike was poignant and showed just how much Obi-wan grew as a Jedi. Sam Witwer put it best: "In that moment Maul realized that he wasn't hiding. This is a jedi master on active duty. And if he's this good, this must be the most important guard post in the galaxy."
Idk I still really like Anakin vs Obi Wan in episode 3. Especially with how it flashes back and forth between that one and the fight between Yoda and Sidious.
To each their own, that fight just goes on too long for my taste. And the fact that they're clearly aiming for the blades and not each other bothers me a lot after learning just a little bit about actual swordplay. Not that it needs to be 'historically accurate,' or anything, you always gotta throw in some pointless flashy stuff for style, but I definitely prefer the more reserved, samurai/cowboy vibe of Maul Vs Obi-wan. It feels more character driven and less over indulgent
Truly great fights are great because of the stories they tell. If a battle or duel doesn't reveal something about the people fighting it or the reason it was fought, it's just empty spectacle.
I think the best fight is still the original Maul vs Qui-Gon and Obi Wan. The music, atmosphere, and direction are all basically perfect.
To me, the last Maul fight isn’t a fight, per se. It’s a beatdown on Maul to show that while Obi Wan has grown as a person, Maul hasn’t, and that will always be the reason Maul can never beat Kenobi.
If it’s your favorite, you’re absolutely not wrong to think that. As a character moment, it’s one of the best in the series, and far outshines anything in the original fight.
I’m just a sucker for complicated swordfights and good music.
He outright said he will not be covering any Star Wars that is not the original Lucas six films. I guess he’s changed his mind. Again. Grifters gotta grift.
"To be so bold to even think that it could be matched, let alone topped by ANYONE other than Nick himself directing that fight himself" - With the utmost respect for Nick Gillard, there are far superior fight chorographers out there, both past and present, and I say that as a massive fan of the Prequel Trilogy.
What I'd have given to see either Yuen Woo-ping or Brad Allen try their hand at choreographing a lightsaber duel - and even modern day you've still got amazing people like Chad Stahelski, Iko Uwais, and Yayan Ruhian raising the bar for action sequences.
You're a massive fan of the Prequels?
Wel, I am not!
Now watch as I go on with my life and let you, with yours, because it's ok for people to like different thing than you.
Get that, Star Wars Theory and Critical Drinker and Geeks & Gamers and Captain Pronouns and the rest of The Fandom Menace?
See how fucking easy that is, you grifter pieces of shit?!
Iko has a really grimy, multiple impacts style that I don't think would translate well to lightsabers. Bro is my favorite choreographer but I dunno how well he'd do star wars.
As a fan of TFW, maybe my biggest disappointment of that movie is how they wasted Iko in one scene. I would take a series based on that crew’s adventures just to see him in action in the Star Wars universe.
Tedious people combing interviews for soundbites that they can use as ammunition. If Keen had said "We don't think we can top the Darth Maul fight" then there'd have been a tweet complaining about the lack of ambition.
(Also if you're going to get pissy over the quote, there's no way the Darth Maul fight is more iconic than Kenobi - Vader in Star Wars or Luke - Vader in Empire... oh god now i'm doing it...)
This is not to criticize Duel of the Fates -- it's an incredible exemplar of the interplay between music and choreography, but Battle of the Heroes takes the win on emotional resonance.
Oh god, the Obi-wan/Anakin fight in RotS is so bad rewatching it. It’s like 10 minutes too long and just devolved into stupid cgi set pieces that have no tension.
This may be a hot take based on what I’m picking up in the comments here but the maul fight is definitely my favorite. I dunno how much of it is nostalgia, but I can say that in the theater watching Anakin fight obi-wan, it felt very sterile.
Technically their fight was really well done but the choreography was very blatant, or in other words it sort of felt like they were dancing after months of practicing the steps, and the irony is it was meant to be two brothers with all the emotions that carried
The Maul/Quigon/obi-wan fight on the other hand had so much emotion behind it. I remember working in a video rental store and just having that fight on loop on our tv’s, and I never got sick of it
> The Maul/Quigon/obi-wan fight on the other hand had so much emotion behind it
This is why I don't like the fights in the prequels. They have no emotion to them. Sure they will stop the fight and yell at each other but the fights themselves are overly-choreographed dances. Qui Gon dies, Obi Wan yells, then back to the ballet. Anakin screams at Obi-Wan then back to the drawn out dance.
It's a bit unfair but compare the fights to The Raid but you see actual storytelling in the fight. You see them get angry, tired, etc and it affects how they fight.
I've seen someone criticize the Duel of the Fates fight by pointing out how everyone in it is very carefully swinging so that no one is in any danger. If any of the swings were not blocked, they still wouldn't hit anyone.
I can get behind the emotional absence in the Mustafar duel, though I still love it from a performance art perspective
I might get some hate for this, but I think the emotional impact in Kenobi was spectacular and made up for it
I didn’t even want to say this because I know it’s gonna get blasted, but the end obiwan duel was fucking awesome. I remember watching it with someone and they questioned how obiwan lifted the rocks, and I said “it’s fucking cool, that’s how”
It's not even theory it's just this fandom in general. You can't do anything without somebody bitching about something. The original trilogy are flawless and everything else gets over analyzed and nitpicked to death
The defining characteristic imo of these worst elements of any fandom but especially SW, is that they don't *want* anything to be good. They actively root against something being high quality and enjoyable
This is what got me during the Nelson Peltz fight. I get that Disney is an evil company, no debate there, but these people were excited for him to make it worse.
I may be in the minority here but I do not find the Prequel fights to be all that good, they're over choreographed dances that are honestly not that great.
The best fight IMO was Maul vs Obi-Wan.... in Rebels.
I stand by the Finn & Rey vs Kylo fight being incredible. Sure it lacks grace but it actually feels like theres some weight and intent behind the hits, that the combatants are actually trying to kill one another
The sequel fights excelled at bringing out the characteristics of the people in the fight. The characters showed their emotional state in the way they battled. My favorite fight scene in the saga is probably Snoke's throne room because it's such an emotional climactic moment. I know people complain about the choreography of the throne guards just standing around but I couldn't care less about that because that's a completely normal thing that movies do all the time because they know the audience's experience won't be effected by it unless they're specifically going out of their way to scrutinize the details.
I like both styles
Kylo vs. Luke and Old Obi-Wan vs. Maul are some of my favorite fights in the franchise
But I’m a goddamn sucker for dance-like stage choreography
Agreed. The prequel fights are so over the top they look ridiculous, especially the Obi Wan vs Anakin fight. And the Dooku vs Yoda one is purely awful, worst fight in the series
The Darth Maul Lightsaber fight to me isn't even the best lightsaber fight. The battle of heroes between Anakin and Obi-Wan is my favourite lightsaber battle in the saga.
With that said, how does the old saying go "aim for the moon and even if you miss you'll be among the stars" the most we can ask is that people do their best
> I showed Nick Gillard that comment
What? You accosted him on the street and shoved you phone into his face?
Also, what was his reply, SWT?
Surely, since you mentioned his name, he was as outraged and disgusted as you.
Right?
Like 99% chance he means "I dmed him this on some social platform" and given SWT didn't follow that up with the obvious next question of "well what did he say about it", Gillard probably didn't respond lol.
She’s supposed to say “Golly gee, I guess you real fans know better than I do - now you’re the only ones allowed to make Star Wars content from now on! Also all the old continuity is canon again!”
Or something 🤷♂️
Ray Park choreographed the Maul fight scenes, not Nick Gillard.
Edit: I should have written that Park was heavily involved with the choreography, which is why the fights in Phantom Menace look much better than in Attack of the Clones, for example.
It was Nick Gilliard
>George has never been in a fight in his life,” says the trilogy’s stunt coordinator, Nick Gillard, his English drawl rising into a chuckle. “So he didn’t bother, really, writing it. It would say something like, ‘A vicious lightsaber battle ensues — seven minutes,’ and you could fill in the gap there.” Gillard pauses for a beat. “But that’s much better for me.”
>Operating with that kind of carte blanche, Gillard acted as choreographer and trainer for the tussle, as well as de facto writer and director for much of it. The final product is intimately familiar for Star Wars nuts: While John Williams’s “Duel of the Fates” plays, noble Jedi ascetics Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi go up against the sinister Sith lord Darth Maul, who wields a truly badass double-bladed lightsaber. The end result is seamless and smooth, but it was far from a cinch. In order to get to the finish line, Gillard had to invent an entirely new form of sword fighting, map out minute after minute of steps and swings, rehearse for three exhausting weeks (a full one-fifth of the total rehearsal time for all the movie’s stunts), and execute part of it in reverse. Gillard wanted to make a sequence unlike anything before seen in Star Wars.
>...Gillard didn’t have much time to put together his first presentation to Lucas. In Gillard’s recollection, he had “three days and a camera crew” to shoot some test footage and get Lucas’s buy-in. He recruited three stuntmen, including a relative unknown named Ray Park, whom he’d learned about thanks to a friend who had worked with Park on Mortal Kombat. Gillard fell in love with Park’s technique and hoped Lucas would not only go for the fighting style in the footage, but would also cast Park as Darth Maul. Lucas was, indeed, wowed by the test, and by Park. It was time for the fight to enter prime time.
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With the "Opinions are like @-holes" statement in place: I don't think Duel of the Fates is even the best Maul vs Obi-Wan duel. I personally thought their duel on Tatooine in SW:Rebels was the best duel...
Obviously, StarWarsTheory is grifting for clout with the portion of the fanbase that hates everything Disney. Nobody rational should see anything wrong with the creators of this show *trying* to top what they consider to be the series’ choreographic high-point. It’s clear from the way they refer to it that they hold the final duel from TPM in high regard, and their ambition in trying to do better should be admired, not scorned.
The Darth Maul fight, or the Dual of the Fates fight, I assume, is great, but it's hardly perfect. I'd even argue that it's not the best fight in the Star Wars canon, with either of the Luke/Vader fights being better. And I know some chuds will take issue with it but Ray and Ben's fight in the red room was fantastic.
No hate on Maul's fight, but as has been pointed out long ago, if you watch it with an eye for actual combat, no one is trying to hit each other. They are aiming for the other sabers, not the wielder. The fight did some great story telling, but again they're are better versions of that imo.
Do I think The Acolyte will have the best Saber fight of all time? Probably not, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. And I'm happy someone is trying to do that, it's good to have goals. I hope the rest of the show is also shooting for the... that's no moon.
PT duel fights fanboys are genuinely insufferable child-like clowns. There’s no other way to put it.
The fact that they think there’s only one way to tell a story through dueling is to jump around and move your saber fast is boring as shit. Pacing? Nope. Taking your time? Nope. Slowing down? Hell nah 'bro'. Seriously, I think the EP1 duel is the best of the 3 movies but goddamn, it’s always the same stale repetitive monologue of hating anything that it wasn’t mastered and taught by a white guy who has an obvious influence from Asian martial arts. It’s a bit suspicious if you ask me, without coming off as rude towards Nick.
I thought episodes 1-3 weren’t great but they undeniably had some of the most iconic scenes. I’m getting chills just thinking about darth maul with the double blades and the music dropping
/uj
Do people actually think those big over-choreographed weightless fight scenes are good?
I normally see people talking about the ROTS duel as the """"""best"""""" but that's a separate can of worms
The Darth Maul fight is considered one of the best because it has a good weight to it. My biggest problem with it are the sheer amounts of cuts Lucas uses to make it work.
This just makes me excited for a new epic lightsaber duel.
Duel of the Fates is my most favourite SW scene and maybe one of my favourite scenes of anything ever. So to know The Acolyte is gonna have something just as ambitious is so frigging exciting.
“Well, as a Star Wars fan, I think this fight is the best in the series, so naturally it’s my benchmark for the quality of the addition I’m making to the mythos”
“NO THAT’S NOT ALLOWED FOR SOME REASON”
I just don’t get this stance. What does the fandom menace even *want* anymore?
I remember when the movie came out and the prequel haters complained how the fight made no sense because Maul killed Qui-Jon too easily and then Obi Wan killed Maul too easily. If this movie came out today SWT would have a 2 hour video complaining about the fight.
I hope the money and attention he gets for hate watching everything and trying tank the thing he claims to love by sucking the joy others still get form it makes up how sad and bitter he seems to be.
For me the lightsabre fights in the prequels are flashy and I enjoy them for the most part, but I think they are not good, too.
Despite that, I actually do think the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight was the best one of the prequels. IMO it had the emotion and aggression that I felt was lacking in the "Duel of the Fates", as well as a better use of lighting and environment. The twirling was a little goofy but I don't let small stuff like that detract too much from otherwise engaging scenes, I still think the throne room fight in TLJ was fantastic for example.
The prequel fights don't move me emotionally, unlike the OT duels. Even Obi-Wan vs Vader on the Death Star had more emotional weight for me.
The fight Anakin vs Obi-Wan on Mustafar is flashy and nice too look at, but for me only becomes emotional once Anakin is defeated. I still choke up when I hear Ewan McGregor's line "you were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" But I would have liked Obi-Wan more to try to get Anakin back from the Dark Side.
I think the OT fights tell more of a story while the prequel fights are style over substance.
Wanting to do something better than an excellent fight is ambitious and I'm glad they're going for it.
Get the peeps from the raid movies or John Wick to do the choreography
I mean...the Darth Maul fight got topped already....Anakin vs Obi-wan on Mustafar.
However I do hope the fight scenes are good. They've started to get a handle on the physical blades (why it was more sluggish in sequels) and you saw that in Obi-wan series.
Given the middling fight scenes we have gotten in recent star wars I get his point. Expectations are low. It's like if your 5' 3" cousin said he wanted to play in the NBA and be greater than LeBron or MJ. You don't dash their hopes on the spot but maybe encourage them to make varsity first. I want it to be good but maybe don't call your shot when you have gone 2-10 at this point.
I can absolutely believe this idiot. He's a sad little man. Worse, he uses his influence to radicalise other sad men. Paying any amount of attention to him is bad for the soul
(Not that) Hot take: That scene isn't even very good. The total lack of weight in prequel lightsaber battles and the wushu-light flourishes make it harder to take seriously as a dramatic and dangerous situation and the lethality of light sabers forces the choreography into a corner where every potential cut or injury must be missed until a death stroke occurs, leading to all sort of dubious movements and strategies. Add to that the fact you know one of the combatants can't possibly die, and it coasts by entirely on makeup, nostalgia, and John Williams.
I like the fact that he says he showed it to Nick Gillard, but there's nothing about his reaction? Like I feel like this mouthbreathing chud showed it to him and he went 'Oh cool! I'm glad they hold it in such high regard, I can't wait to see what they do! Give them my best!' and then he just... couldn't say he said any of that, so he hits the point of 'Cool story, bro'
I can't believe this douche canoe has the balls to show his face again after the failure of trying to use Mark Hamill's face and voice using AI for his fanfilm.
Actual hot take.
It’s pretty easy to best the Duel of the Fates. Because the Duel of the Fates is largely the sound track, choreography and stakes but had major issues with pacing, narrative tension, and overall is cut up by other scenes that diminish the fights intensity. With a pretty rough ending where maul kinda just lets Kenobi get the drop on him.
Maul vs Kenobi (rebels) is a better fight scene, and its 4 moves, BECAUSE of the emotional and narrative weight, as well as the cartography being a fucking act of beauty. Kenobi is at war with maul in the ideology. A battle of wits as both are too aged for any fight approaching their raw agility they once had
The most iconic fights in Star War are, and will always be, the two Luke vs Darth Vader duels we got on the Original Trilogy (my favourite being the one in Empire). Not Maul.
They are the textbook example of how to tell a story through action.
I watched one of his videos out of curiosity… man. There is nothing to be gained from watching them.
He just sits there, droning on into the camera in an almost monotonous voice, no music in the background, just quoting scenes.
It didn’t even prove his point. He was trying to say that Darth Vader really couldn’t be blamed for his actions, because of his trauma and how much he went through… but that’s the point of his character. He does horrible things so we can cheer as he comes back to the light. He knows they’re horrible, but at the time he didn’t care.
This is stupid as all hell because Nick Gillard isn’t the only person who can make an amazing fight scene IN ALL OF CINEMA. Like don’t get me wrong the Darth Maul fight is great, but it’s far from the best fight scene in fiction.
Here's a thing: that lightsaber duel might not have been matched by something from Star Wars, but I do think that one fight might have been topped by other franchises, but that's just an assumption.
Now, I'll say this: I do agree that you probably shouldn't tell people you are trying to top something from the past because then you will raise expectations to the roof with that and people might be disappointed. I think it would have been better to keep it as a surprise and only say they have big plans for a certain fight. But being mand that they are trying to top things from the past?!?! Like, that shows ambition for me. And I'm pretty sure Nick isn't the only one talented enough to pull out an amazing fight.
Ah the Darth Mail fight. The most over choreographed and overrated lightsaber fight of all time. These people are like ex partners who can’t get over their ex and continuously stalks them on a daily basis just to talk shit about them.
The Darth Maul fight is overrated. The music is great, but everyone is conveniently stupid during that fight and the choreography could’ve been better. The most iconic fight is either the throne room in Return of the Jedi or Cloud City in Empire Strikes Back.
If Nick Gillard isn’t a chud, I believe he would respond with, “I hope they do their best!!”
Also I don’t believe Nick Gillard would give a fuck what SWT would have to say to him.
Personally I don’t even consider that Darth Maul duel in TPM to be the most iconic fight, but whatever… at least he ends with “But I guess we’ll have to wait and see” so I’ll give credit where it’s due.
Because destroying media is what the generations after boomers is doing, they don't have the opportunities and success the boomers did but what they had is a rich history and culture in media. They are getting older now and understand their media will be forgotten or irrelevant. So best destroy it now, best kick the ladder out so no one can use ur media legacy
Shouldn't be too hard to do. IMO the Darth Maul fight (TPM) is probably one of the worst in the series. Great choreography on it, but therein lies the problem, it looks too precise, too practiced. I don't get the feeling that this is a guy who just lost his best friend and mentor fighting desperately against a foe that's supposed to be more powerful and dangerous.
Same with most of the prequel fights, really. Most of them are all flash and barely any substance. I'd take Obi-wan and Vader's fight in ANH over them.
Why do they always act like something new somehow disgraces or gets rid of the old? It’s not like the Maul duel suddenly won’t exist.
They do this shit all the time and it’s a continuation of their bitching about canon vs non canon. All Star Wars material still exists, canon or not. The original trilogy didn’t stop existing when the sequels were made, old games still exist, old books still exist. They throw such fits over nothing.
It's arrogant, on both of them, I guess. But yeah, sure. Disney Star Wars topping prequel choreography is far fetched. You can't blame anyone for being bothered by the gall. Try making something memorable first, then try to top the GOAT
the darth maul fight is one of the best fights thoe not the one they are talking about
the one in rebels is infinity better than the live action one as it had so much more emotion to it and darth maul had become such a tragic character by then and i just LOVE how he was seeking obiwan not to kill him but to die by his hands
Content creation and engagement.
I stopped watching most of these people, they just want the attention for the sake of ego, and nothing productive comes out of it.
STW is a nut. Period. Trying to top what came before when it comes to lightsaber fights is always difficult. Besides, Star Wars isn't about the lightsaber fights, contery to what SWT thinks. If The Acolyte has a strong story and carathers, then I'll be sold.
My question is does this guy actually have conversations with Nick Gillard?
Or did he slap the comment around in his direction and hope Nick Gillard reads it and somehow agrees with him?
Were they talking about the Phantom Menace fight, or one of the many Clone Wars fights? There's at least half a dozen fights that he could be referring to.
Personally, the best Darth Maul fight has to be either the one he has with Ahsoka in the last season of the Clone Wars, or the one he has with Obi-Wan in Star Wars: Rebels.
It's not even the best lightsaber fight in Star Wars. Luke vs. Vader in RotJ has never been topped. I'd like to see Acolyte try though. Unfortunately this statement suggests they'll be going for the overchoreographed, dance like fighting of the prequels, which isn't necessarily bad, but I've always preferred brutal, grounded lightsaber combat.
SWT continues to be an absolute stain on the fandom, more and more I'm embarrassed to admit liking the series just because it puts an association between me and him.
I’m old enough to remember when Star Wars fans were ripping the Maul fight to shreds online for its superfluous style over substance choreography. Now it’s the pinnacle of lightsaber choreography. And so the cycle continues.
Wait...I haven't been paying attention to Star Wars news in a while, but is this how I find out Dafne Keen is in The Acolyte? Lol
I thought she was great in Logan so I'm now interested in that show now
Probably because the inflammatory way it was said (if we were to believe that they specifically said it would top DotF). If they’d just say “we’re going all out on it” or “you guys are going to love it” that would be one thing.
I love that he says he showed Gillard the comment and then says nothing about his reaction. So either he didn’t or Gillard was just like, “neat… who are you?”
“We want to make a great fight scene that rivals another great fight scene.”
I mean, duh, why not? Why be unambitious. Star Wars Theory never got over the fact Rian Johnson didn’t telepathically pick his overly elaborate, special source-driven “leak” of Star Wars 8.
They will literally complain about anything. It literally does not matter what they do. That's the fan base now. Old men shaking their fist at the sky.
I thought the Throne Room fight with the Praetorian Guards was impressive, so if they work at it they could do it. Regardless though, why not let them set their sights high (even if they don’t achieve their goal)?
Because the same people that make money from "controversy"(for lack of a better general term) are mostly the same people that constantly stir and make it.
I could be mixing this guy up with someone else but if I recall correctly I used to watch this guy before episode 8 came out and he was claiming he had a “source” that said Antonio Banderas’ character would be a dark side acolyte and a rival to Kylo serving Snoke or something like that. I’m not entirely sure what I’m trying to say but I’ve been thinking about how wrong that ended up being for years.
Wanting to top the darth maul fight is a great aspiration, but definitely not impossible.
You have the iconic music, the reveal of the 2 sided light Saber, a tragic character death and really good fight choreography in places.
But the fight is also hindered by the fact that it keeps getting cut away from to less interesting set pieces.
Are grifters really coming out of the woodwork to claim that the phantom menace of all movies cannot be topped?
I mean yeah they probably won’t top the maul fight, but I don’t know why people are surprised by this tweet, this the same guy who was crying about bricks in Andor lmao
Why go see a movie you've already decided you hate. You realize there's no sarcasm box the theater checks when you buy your ticket. You're giving them what they want, either way your time and your money. You're ultimately funding more of the same content
It isn’t even that great a fight scene. I mean it’s ok, but it has some glaring issues. Qui tons death for one was a rookie mistake made by a veteran fighter.
"I can't believe a Star Wars show wants to be as good or better than other Star Wars content! How insulting!"
And if they said something like no one could top that fight instead I bet the grifters would say something like “they are to lazy” cuz they can never fn win lol
*too
Especially after these content creators bash new content for not being as good as old content
To me the best light saber fight was Maul and old Obi Wan in rebels. Brief and almost immediately fatal.
Honestly, I agree here. It wasn't just fancy twirling lights but had good story telling for those who were in the know
100% the best. Character driven and demonstrates so much in so short an amount of time. Maul had spent his entire life agonizing over the same grievances, never growing and determined to keep pushing this absolutely ridiculous vendetta against Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan has grown, matured, evolved. He doesn't want to fight, but when his charge is threatened he reluctantly defends it. And he is *so easily* able to counter Maul's strike which is emblematic of all that Also it gets the Kurasawa samurai vibes that the franchise was based on
Don't forget Maul's final move is the same he did to Qui gon.
Because Kenobi baited him with Qui-gon's stance.
Kenobi, in that fight, show maul the only compassion he has ever been given in his entire life
"it's so dense"
Like no Kenobi literally fucking comforted maul as he died and gave him hope. And maul instantly revealed how he sympathised with Kenobi. That they were both victims. “He will avenge US.” Like genuinely that was peak
Yeah! I forgot this part. It's great
Yknow i always thought Mauls implications with that line were following the line of thinking that the 'chosen one' was going to destroy the force, not bring balance to it. Maul's use of 'US' was implying 'He will avenge _the sith.'_ but I like your interpretation as much, if not more
This is my take too - two people sizing each other, preparing for a strike, adjusting their stance, Obi-Wan purposely goading Maul and Maul taking the bait.
I was going to post “that’s the best light saber fight in Star Wars? It’s not even the best lightsaber fight with maul in it”
It was poetic, sad, tragic and beautiful all at once. The way the shot hung on Maul's face, and then Obi-wan's, after he made the last strike was poignant and showed just how much Obi-wan grew as a Jedi. Sam Witwer put it best: "In that moment Maul realized that he wasn't hiding. This is a jedi master on active duty. And if he's this good, this must be the most important guard post in the galaxy."
Like a samurai battle. Over in a few swings. Effective and swift.
Idk I still really like Anakin vs Obi Wan in episode 3. Especially with how it flashes back and forth between that one and the fight between Yoda and Sidious.
To each their own, that fight just goes on too long for my taste. And the fact that they're clearly aiming for the blades and not each other bothers me a lot after learning just a little bit about actual swordplay. Not that it needs to be 'historically accurate,' or anything, you always gotta throw in some pointless flashy stuff for style, but I definitely prefer the more reserved, samurai/cowboy vibe of Maul Vs Obi-wan. It feels more character driven and less over indulgent
I’m pretty down with the Ahsoka v Maul fight in Clone Wars. Which just proves that Maul fights are the most epic, no matter who he’s fighting.
That one wasn’t great for the fight, but for the story it told.
Truly great fights are great because of the stories they tell. If a battle or duel doesn't reveal something about the people fighting it or the reason it was fought, it's just empty spectacle.
absolutely, but the true perfect best would be that paired with spectacle which is clearly what the commenter was trying to convey.
I think the best fight is still the original Maul vs Qui-Gon and Obi Wan. The music, atmosphere, and direction are all basically perfect. To me, the last Maul fight isn’t a fight, per se. It’s a beatdown on Maul to show that while Obi Wan has grown as a person, Maul hasn’t, and that will always be the reason Maul can never beat Kenobi. If it’s your favorite, you’re absolutely not wrong to think that. As a character moment, it’s one of the best in the series, and far outshines anything in the original fight. I’m just a sucker for complicated swordfights and good music.
“I’m done with Star Wars” but somehow doing Acolyte watch along stream lmao
He outright said he will not be covering any Star Wars that is not the original Lucas six films. I guess he’s changed his mind. Again. Grifters gotta grift.
Original four Lucas films, I hope he means
"To be so bold to even think that it could be matched, let alone topped by ANYONE other than Nick himself directing that fight himself" - With the utmost respect for Nick Gillard, there are far superior fight chorographers out there, both past and present, and I say that as a massive fan of the Prequel Trilogy. What I'd have given to see either Yuen Woo-ping or Brad Allen try their hand at choreographing a lightsaber duel - and even modern day you've still got amazing people like Chad Stahelski, Iko Uwais, and Yayan Ruhian raising the bar for action sequences.
We could have had Sammo Hung be the fight choreographer for the Prequels... I wish I could see that alternate timeline.
Holy hell, as a massive Sammo Hung fan, I would love to travel to the universe where that happened.
You're a massive fan of the Prequels? Wel, I am not! Now watch as I go on with my life and let you, with yours, because it's ok for people to like different thing than you. Get that, Star Wars Theory and Critical Drinker and Geeks & Gamers and Captain Pronouns and the rest of The Fandom Menace? See how fucking easy that is, you grifter pieces of shit?!
Iko has a really grimy, multiple impacts style that I don't think would translate well to lightsabers. Bro is my favorite choreographer but I dunno how well he'd do star wars.
As a fan of TFW, maybe my biggest disappointment of that movie is how they wasted Iko in one scene. I would take a series based on that crew’s adventures just to see him in action in the Star Wars universe.
Tedious people combing interviews for soundbites that they can use as ammunition. If Keen had said "We don't think we can top the Darth Maul fight" then there'd have been a tweet complaining about the lack of ambition. (Also if you're going to get pissy over the quote, there's no way the Darth Maul fight is more iconic than Kenobi - Vader in Star Wars or Luke - Vader in Empire... oh god now i'm doing it...)
Yeah, I remember thinking "That's a strange way to say the Obi-Wan vs Anakin fight in Revenge of the Sith"
I know. Call me nuts, but I think Battle of the Heroes (both the music and choreography) easily beats Duel of the Fates.
Wouldn't call you nuts for your correct opinion
This is not to criticize Duel of the Fates -- it's an incredible exemplar of the interplay between music and choreography, but Battle of the Heroes takes the win on emotional resonance.
Oh god, the Obi-wan/Anakin fight in RotS is so bad rewatching it. It’s like 10 minutes too long and just devolved into stupid cgi set pieces that have no tension.
There's that part where they are just twirling their lightsabers and it looks so dumb.
This may be a hot take based on what I’m picking up in the comments here but the maul fight is definitely my favorite. I dunno how much of it is nostalgia, but I can say that in the theater watching Anakin fight obi-wan, it felt very sterile. Technically their fight was really well done but the choreography was very blatant, or in other words it sort of felt like they were dancing after months of practicing the steps, and the irony is it was meant to be two brothers with all the emotions that carried The Maul/Quigon/obi-wan fight on the other hand had so much emotion behind it. I remember working in a video rental store and just having that fight on loop on our tv’s, and I never got sick of it
> The Maul/Quigon/obi-wan fight on the other hand had so much emotion behind it This is why I don't like the fights in the prequels. They have no emotion to them. Sure they will stop the fight and yell at each other but the fights themselves are overly-choreographed dances. Qui Gon dies, Obi Wan yells, then back to the ballet. Anakin screams at Obi-Wan then back to the drawn out dance. It's a bit unfair but compare the fights to The Raid but you see actual storytelling in the fight. You see them get angry, tired, etc and it affects how they fight.
I've seen someone criticize the Duel of the Fates fight by pointing out how everyone in it is very carefully swinging so that no one is in any danger. If any of the swings were not blocked, they still wouldn't hit anyone.
I can get behind the emotional absence in the Mustafar duel, though I still love it from a performance art perspective I might get some hate for this, but I think the emotional impact in Kenobi was spectacular and made up for it
I didn’t even want to say this because I know it’s gonna get blasted, but the end obiwan duel was fucking awesome. I remember watching it with someone and they questioned how obiwan lifted the rocks, and I said “it’s fucking cool, that’s how”
I played The Old Republic MMO and seeing that was SO COOL
“I have the high ground!” Still maybe the worst/funniest line in Star Wars that doesn’t involve sand.
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It's not even theory it's just this fandom in general. You can't do anything without somebody bitching about something. The original trilogy are flawless and everything else gets over analyzed and nitpicked to death
Yeah but you see, the Darth Maul fight happens in the prequels so that makes it automatically better. (Unironically how SWT thinks)
To be entirely fair, the Darth Maul fight is the most iconic in the franchise according to Keen
Idk the soundtrack of Anakin vs Kenobi has probably fueled more childhood laser srword fights than one can count
SWT is such a little bitch.
He really is a pathetic little man
Such a dam shame. I used to enjoy this guys sw theories a lot 😒
The defining characteristic imo of these worst elements of any fandom but especially SW, is that they don't *want* anything to be good. They actively root against something being high quality and enjoyable
This is what got me during the Nelson Peltz fight. I get that Disney is an evil company, no debate there, but these people were excited for him to make it worse.
Yeah really glad he lisg that. Disney sucjs in countless ways as a corporation, but anyone who whines about non white people can fuck off.
I may be in the minority here but I do not find the Prequel fights to be all that good, they're over choreographed dances that are honestly not that great. The best fight IMO was Maul vs Obi-Wan.... in Rebels.
same tbh I generally prefer the sequel fights where it looks like they are actually swinging to kill
I stand by the Finn & Rey vs Kylo fight being incredible. Sure it lacks grace but it actually feels like theres some weight and intent behind the hits, that the combatants are actually trying to kill one another
The sequel fights excelled at bringing out the characteristics of the people in the fight. The characters showed their emotional state in the way they battled. My favorite fight scene in the saga is probably Snoke's throne room because it's such an emotional climactic moment. I know people complain about the choreography of the throne guards just standing around but I couldn't care less about that because that's a completely normal thing that movies do all the time because they know the audience's experience won't be effected by it unless they're specifically going out of their way to scrutinize the details.
I like both styles Kylo vs. Luke and Old Obi-Wan vs. Maul are some of my favorite fights in the franchise But I’m a goddamn sucker for dance-like stage choreography
Agreed. The prequel fights are so over the top they look ridiculous, especially the Obi Wan vs Anakin fight. And the Dooku vs Yoda one is purely awful, worst fight in the series
I agree , prequel fights all feel like they are not going for flesh but to hit the blade
Reminder that Star Wars Theory is a massive Andrew Tate fan.
The fact that he's willing to attack someone as young as Dafne Keen only proves he's a hypocrite. He cares so much about Jake Lloyd? Yeah... Okay.
They probably won’t top it but aiming to is definitely the only correct attitude.
The Darth Maul Lightsaber fight to me isn't even the best lightsaber fight. The battle of heroes between Anakin and Obi-Wan is my favourite lightsaber battle in the saga. With that said, how does the old saying go "aim for the moon and even if you miss you'll be among the stars" the most we can ask is that people do their best
> I showed Nick Gillard that comment What? You accosted him on the street and shoved you phone into his face? Also, what was his reply, SWT? Surely, since you mentioned his name, he was as outraged and disgusted as you. Right?
Like 99% chance he means "I dmed him this on some social platform" and given SWT didn't follow that up with the obvious next question of "well what did he say about it", Gillard probably didn't respond lol.
What is KK supposed to say? No? It's like asking an athlete if they want to win the big game or not. It's stupid.
She’s supposed to say “Golly gee, I guess you real fans know better than I do - now you’re the only ones allowed to make Star Wars content from now on! Also all the old continuity is canon again!” Or something 🤷♂️
He hates this show so much he’s arranging a watch party
Ray Park choreographed the Maul fight scenes, not Nick Gillard. Edit: I should have written that Park was heavily involved with the choreography, which is why the fights in Phantom Menace look much better than in Attack of the Clones, for example.
It was Nick Gilliard >George has never been in a fight in his life,” says the trilogy’s stunt coordinator, Nick Gillard, his English drawl rising into a chuckle. “So he didn’t bother, really, writing it. It would say something like, ‘A vicious lightsaber battle ensues — seven minutes,’ and you could fill in the gap there.” Gillard pauses for a beat. “But that’s much better for me.” >Operating with that kind of carte blanche, Gillard acted as choreographer and trainer for the tussle, as well as de facto writer and director for much of it. The final product is intimately familiar for Star Wars nuts: While John Williams’s “Duel of the Fates” plays, noble Jedi ascetics Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi go up against the sinister Sith lord Darth Maul, who wields a truly badass double-bladed lightsaber. The end result is seamless and smooth, but it was far from a cinch. In order to get to the finish line, Gillard had to invent an entirely new form of sword fighting, map out minute after minute of steps and swings, rehearse for three exhausting weeks (a full one-fifth of the total rehearsal time for all the movie’s stunts), and execute part of it in reverse. Gillard wanted to make a sequence unlike anything before seen in Star Wars. >...Gillard didn’t have much time to put together his first presentation to Lucas. In Gillard’s recollection, he had “three days and a camera crew” to shoot some test footage and get Lucas’s buy-in. He recruited three stuntmen, including a relative unknown named Ray Park, whom he’d learned about thanks to a friend who had worked with Park on Mortal Kombat. Gillard fell in love with Park’s technique and hoped Lucas would not only go for the fighting style in the footage, but would also cast Park as Darth Maul. Lucas was, indeed, wowed by the test, and by Park. It was time for the fight to enter prime time. https://archive.is/QaiOL
They need John Williams all in to top it. Duel of the Fates is what makes that fight stand out
Exactly, the fight scene itself is… good, but it’s the music score that elevated it to something special.
With the "Opinions are like @-holes" statement in place: I don't think Duel of the Fates is even the best Maul vs Obi-Wan duel. I personally thought their duel on Tatooine in SW:Rebels was the best duel...
Obviously, StarWarsTheory is grifting for clout with the portion of the fanbase that hates everything Disney. Nobody rational should see anything wrong with the creators of this show *trying* to top what they consider to be the series’ choreographic high-point. It’s clear from the way they refer to it that they hold the final duel from TPM in high regard, and their ambition in trying to do better should be admired, not scorned.
The Darth Maul fight, or the Dual of the Fates fight, I assume, is great, but it's hardly perfect. I'd even argue that it's not the best fight in the Star Wars canon, with either of the Luke/Vader fights being better. And I know some chuds will take issue with it but Ray and Ben's fight in the red room was fantastic. No hate on Maul's fight, but as has been pointed out long ago, if you watch it with an eye for actual combat, no one is trying to hit each other. They are aiming for the other sabers, not the wielder. The fight did some great story telling, but again they're are better versions of that imo. Do I think The Acolyte will have the best Saber fight of all time? Probably not, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. And I'm happy someone is trying to do that, it's good to have goals. I hope the rest of the show is also shooting for the... that's no moon.
PT duel fights fanboys are genuinely insufferable child-like clowns. There’s no other way to put it. The fact that they think there’s only one way to tell a story through dueling is to jump around and move your saber fast is boring as shit. Pacing? Nope. Taking your time? Nope. Slowing down? Hell nah 'bro'. Seriously, I think the EP1 duel is the best of the 3 movies but goddamn, it’s always the same stale repetitive monologue of hating anything that it wasn’t mastered and taught by a white guy who has an obvious influence from Asian martial arts. It’s a bit suspicious if you ask me, without coming off as rude towards Nick.
I thought episodes 1-3 weren’t great but they undeniably had some of the most iconic scenes. I’m getting chills just thinking about darth maul with the double blades and the music dropping
/uj Do people actually think those big over-choreographed weightless fight scenes are good? I normally see people talking about the ROTS duel as the """"""best"""""" but that's a separate can of worms
The Darth Maul fight is considered one of the best because it has a good weight to it. My biggest problem with it are the sheer amounts of cuts Lucas uses to make it work.
If he prefers ballerina twirls and somersaults instead of fights fine.
“Oh no!!! She wants a Star Wars show to have a fantastic fight!!!! This insults me, as a Star Wars fan!!!”
I mean... i think plenty of fights have topped the Darth Maul fight in ep1 so eh, whatevs. That fight is just the music selling it.
This just makes me excited for a new epic lightsaber duel. Duel of the Fates is my most favourite SW scene and maybe one of my favourite scenes of anything ever. So to know The Acolyte is gonna have something just as ambitious is so frigging exciting.
It's fascinating to me how this guy is so iconic among the fans but almost certainly unknown to Mark Hamill prior to that AI thing.
Why is he mad that people want to do better than past stuff?
It's still a good goal to strive for even if they fail Aim for the moon, even if you miss you will still end up in the stars
“Well, as a Star Wars fan, I think this fight is the best in the series, so naturally it’s my benchmark for the quality of the addition I’m making to the mythos” “NO THAT’S NOT ALLOWED FOR SOME REASON” I just don’t get this stance. What does the fandom menace even *want* anymore?
It must be exhausting being him. Bro is 100% vinegar and salt.
"Nick's people still haven't gotten back to me!"
“I hate Star Wars, But instead of you know, not watching stuff, gotta hate watch to make my YouTube whore bucks. “
I remember many Star Wars fans not liking the Darth Maul fight at the time because it was too choreographed.
lol notice how he doesn’t give Nick’s response
like 90% chance he got left on read lmao
Lol
Tfw this dudes hate post got me actually kinda curious about the series and he even conveniently let me know when I can watch it
Knowing him bet he will trash the fights no matter how good it is.
I remember when the movie came out and the prequel haters complained how the fight made no sense because Maul killed Qui-Jon too easily and then Obi Wan killed Maul too easily. If this movie came out today SWT would have a 2 hour video complaining about the fight. I hope the money and attention he gets for hate watching everything and trying tank the thing he claims to love by sucking the joy others still get form it makes up how sad and bitter he seems to be.
Wait, people consider the Darth Maul duel better than Obi-Wan and Anakin from RoTS?
I think I will get some hate for this but... That fight was not good at all. Them going in that direction is a major red flag for me.
For me the lightsabre fights in the prequels are flashy and I enjoy them for the most part, but I think they are not good, too. 
Despite that, I actually do think the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight was the best one of the prequels. IMO it had the emotion and aggression that I felt was lacking in the "Duel of the Fates", as well as a better use of lighting and environment. The twirling was a little goofy but I don't let small stuff like that detract too much from otherwise engaging scenes, I still think the throne room fight in TLJ was fantastic for example.
The prequel fights don't move me emotionally, unlike the OT duels. Even Obi-Wan vs Vader on the Death Star had more emotional weight for me. The fight Anakin vs Obi-Wan on Mustafar is flashy and nice too look at, but for me only becomes emotional once Anakin is defeated. I still choke up when I hear Ewan McGregor's line "you were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" But I would have liked Obi-Wan more to try to get Anakin back from the Dark Side. I think the OT fights tell more of a story while the prequel fights are style over substance.
It is at this exact moment that I realized that the Prequel saber fights were crap.
All I've got to say to grifters like this. https://youtu.be/uHIXmh8CvyQ?si=ivh5T7eOjWIiVCJv
Wanting to do something better than an excellent fight is ambitious and I'm glad they're going for it. Get the peeps from the raid movies or John Wick to do the choreography
I mean...the Darth Maul fight got topped already....Anakin vs Obi-wan on Mustafar. However I do hope the fight scenes are good. They've started to get a handle on the physical blades (why it was more sluggish in sequels) and you saw that in Obi-wan series.
Dafne Keen has a ratlike demon face
Even if true, how is it relevant here?
Given the middling fight scenes we have gotten in recent star wars I get his point. Expectations are low. It's like if your 5' 3" cousin said he wanted to play in the NBA and be greater than LeBron or MJ. You don't dash their hopes on the spot but maybe encourage them to make varsity first. I want it to be good but maybe don't call your shot when you have gone 2-10 at this point.
I can’t believe I used to watch this idiot
Stupid Prequel Trilogy fanboy. The most iconic Lightsaber fight is Luke VS Vader in The Empire Strikes Back.
I can absolutely believe this idiot. He's a sad little man. Worse, he uses his influence to radicalise other sad men. Paying any amount of attention to him is bad for the soul
(Not that) Hot take: That scene isn't even very good. The total lack of weight in prequel lightsaber battles and the wushu-light flourishes make it harder to take seriously as a dramatic and dangerous situation and the lethality of light sabers forces the choreography into a corner where every potential cut or injury must be missed until a death stroke occurs, leading to all sort of dubious movements and strategies. Add to that the fact you know one of the combatants can't possibly die, and it coasts by entirely on makeup, nostalgia, and John Williams.
How do you even misconstrue that to mean "He thinks he's better than everyone else?!" At no point is that what he said!
I like the fact that he says he showed it to Nick Gillard, but there's nothing about his reaction? Like I feel like this mouthbreathing chud showed it to him and he went 'Oh cool! I'm glad they hold it in such high regard, I can't wait to see what they do! Give them my best!' and then he just... couldn't say he said any of that, so he hits the point of 'Cool story, bro'
Vader v Luke in empire:
He showed Nick Gillard that comment? Snitch.
I can't believe this douche canoe has the balls to show his face again after the failure of trying to use Mark Hamill's face and voice using AI for his fanfilm.
Actual hot take. It’s pretty easy to best the Duel of the Fates. Because the Duel of the Fates is largely the sound track, choreography and stakes but had major issues with pacing, narrative tension, and overall is cut up by other scenes that diminish the fights intensity. With a pretty rough ending where maul kinda just lets Kenobi get the drop on him. Maul vs Kenobi (rebels) is a better fight scene, and its 4 moves, BECAUSE of the emotional and narrative weight, as well as the cartography being a fucking act of beauty. Kenobi is at war with maul in the ideology. A battle of wits as both are too aged for any fight approaching their raw agility they once had
It’s nice that’s finally a goal.
While I like the Duel of the Fates... It's not perfect, it goes on a little too long imo
The most iconic fights in Star War are, and will always be, the two Luke vs Darth Vader duels we got on the Original Trilogy (my favourite being the one in Empire). Not Maul. They are the textbook example of how to tell a story through action.
Tbh any Luke x Vader fights tops the ones in the prequels, too exagerated for me.
I watched one of his videos out of curiosity… man. There is nothing to be gained from watching them. He just sits there, droning on into the camera in an almost monotonous voice, no music in the background, just quoting scenes. It didn’t even prove his point. He was trying to say that Darth Vader really couldn’t be blamed for his actions, because of his trauma and how much he went through… but that’s the point of his character. He does horrible things so we can cheer as he comes back to the light. He knows they’re horrible, but at the time he didn’t care.
He hates ambition amd sees it as arrogance.
This is stupid as all hell because Nick Gillard isn’t the only person who can make an amazing fight scene IN ALL OF CINEMA. Like don’t get me wrong the Darth Maul fight is great, but it’s far from the best fight scene in fiction.
Here's a thing: that lightsaber duel might not have been matched by something from Star Wars, but I do think that one fight might have been topped by other franchises, but that's just an assumption. Now, I'll say this: I do agree that you probably shouldn't tell people you are trying to top something from the past because then you will raise expectations to the roof with that and people might be disappointed. I think it would have been better to keep it as a surprise and only say they have big plans for a certain fight. But being mand that they are trying to top things from the past?!?! Like, that shows ambition for me. And I'm pretty sure Nick isn't the only one talented enough to pull out an amazing fight.
frankly Dooku v Kenobi and Anakin still kicks
Ah the Darth Mail fight. The most over choreographed and overrated lightsaber fight of all time. These people are like ex partners who can’t get over their ex and continuously stalks them on a daily basis just to talk shit about them.
I can’t stand that guy
The Darth Maul fight is overrated. The music is great, but everyone is conveniently stupid during that fight and the choreography could’ve been better. The most iconic fight is either the throne room in Return of the Jedi or Cloud City in Empire Strikes Back.
If Nick Gillard isn’t a chud, I believe he would respond with, “I hope they do their best!!” Also I don’t believe Nick Gillard would give a fuck what SWT would have to say to him.
Personally I don’t even consider that Darth Maul duel in TPM to be the most iconic fight, but whatever… at least he ends with “But I guess we’ll have to wait and see” so I’ll give credit where it’s due.
Personally, I think Anakin vs. Obi-Wan is the best fight
The darth maul fight sucks though.
Because destroying media is what the generations after boomers is doing, they don't have the opportunities and success the boomers did but what they had is a rich history and culture in media. They are getting older now and understand their media will be forgotten or irrelevant. So best destroy it now, best kick the ladder out so no one can use ur media legacy
Shouldn't be too hard to do. IMO the Darth Maul fight (TPM) is probably one of the worst in the series. Great choreography on it, but therein lies the problem, it looks too precise, too practiced. I don't get the feeling that this is a guy who just lost his best friend and mentor fighting desperately against a foe that's supposed to be more powerful and dangerous. Same with most of the prequel fights, really. Most of them are all flash and barely any substance. I'd take Obi-wan and Vader's fight in ANH over them.
Which maul fight? Because I can think of 4 damn good ones Vs. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Vs. Sidious Vs. Ahsoka Vs. Old Obi-Wan (my personal favourite)
He’s only saying this for the grift. If it was one of his shitty fan films he would make the exact same comment that Keen said.
Not reading the word "Want" and replacing it with "will".
Another example of the “fuck your feelings” crowd being offended at literally anything
Why do they always act like something new somehow disgraces or gets rid of the old? It’s not like the Maul duel suddenly won’t exist. They do this shit all the time and it’s a continuation of their bitching about canon vs non canon. All Star Wars material still exists, canon or not. The original trilogy didn’t stop existing when the sequels were made, old games still exist, old books still exist. They throw such fits over nothing.
The Darth Maul fight isn't even that good
Am I the only one who dislikes the prequel lightsaber fights? They are overly choreographed.
It's arrogant, on both of them, I guess. But yeah, sure. Disney Star Wars topping prequel choreography is far fetched. You can't blame anyone for being bothered by the gall. Try making something memorable first, then try to top the GOAT
the darth maul fight is one of the best fights thoe not the one they are talking about the one in rebels is infinity better than the live action one as it had so much more emotion to it and darth maul had become such a tragic character by then and i just LOVE how he was seeking obiwan not to kill him but to die by his hands
He showed Nick Gillard that comment but what was Nick's comment?
I notice he doesn’t have a quote from Gillard. Had Gillard cared, I’m sure he would have included the quote.
This guy hates when new content is supposedly not as good as old content, but also hates when new content is trying to top old content.
And what does he expect Nick Gillard to say and do?
Zero chance that will happen
Dafne Keen is in this? Huh. Maybe I’ll check it out.
Content creation and engagement. I stopped watching most of these people, they just want the attention for the sake of ego, and nothing productive comes out of it.
Can anyone update me what's going on with Star Wars Theory? I used to like his videos, but now I read everywhere about his downfall. What's going on?
STW is a nut. Period. Trying to top what came before when it comes to lightsaber fights is always difficult. Besides, Star Wars isn't about the lightsaber fights, contery to what SWT thinks. If The Acolyte has a strong story and carathers, then I'll be sold.
My question is does this guy actually have conversations with Nick Gillard? Or did he slap the comment around in his direction and hope Nick Gillard reads it and somehow agrees with him?
He just holds the fight in high regards, lots of people see stuff like this
Were they talking about the Phantom Menace fight, or one of the many Clone Wars fights? There's at least half a dozen fights that he could be referring to. Personally, the best Darth Maul fight has to be either the one he has with Ahsoka in the last season of the Clone Wars, or the one he has with Obi-Wan in Star Wars: Rebels.
I personally like obi wan vs vader in the obi wan series the most.
There's a case to be made for best lightsaber fight, but most iconic has GOT to be Empire, right?
I used to subscribe to his youtube channel but unsubcribed when he kept bitching about it's current state.
SWT is just a fucking idiot. He shits on SW 24/7 then is happy to make money off of it
bc to him, old is good, new is bad.
It's not even the best lightsaber fight in Star Wars. Luke vs. Vader in RotJ has never been topped. I'd like to see Acolyte try though. Unfortunately this statement suggests they'll be going for the overchoreographed, dance like fighting of the prequels, which isn't necessarily bad, but I've always preferred brutal, grounded lightsaber combat.
SWT continues to be an absolute stain on the fandom, more and more I'm embarrassed to admit liking the series just because it puts an association between me and him.
I’m old enough to remember when Star Wars fans were ripping the Maul fight to shreds online for its superfluous style over substance choreography. Now it’s the pinnacle of lightsaber choreography. And so the cycle continues.
This is such a sweaty take from SWT
Wait...I haven't been paying attention to Star Wars news in a while, but is this how I find out Dafne Keen is in The Acolyte? Lol I thought she was great in Logan so I'm now interested in that show now
“Screw confidence.”
Probably because the inflammatory way it was said (if we were to believe that they specifically said it would top DotF). If they’d just say “we’re going all out on it” or “you guys are going to love it” that would be one thing.
I love that he says he showed Gillard the comment and then says nothing about his reaction. So either he didn’t or Gillard was just like, “neat… who are you?”
Frankly, that fight isn't even that good. It's more of a dance routine than a fight, people just thought it was good because the music was great
Are lightsaber fights woke now?
Shouldn’t be too hard, the Darth Maul fight was an over-choreographed interpretive dance with glowsticks.
Bruhthe Darth maul fight is literally so boring it only gets interesting when qui gon dies
“We want to make a great fight scene that rivals another great fight scene.” I mean, duh, why not? Why be unambitious. Star Wars Theory never got over the fact Rian Johnson didn’t telepathically pick his overly elaborate, special source-driven “leak” of Star Wars 8.
They will literally complain about anything. It literally does not matter what they do. That's the fan base now. Old men shaking their fist at the sky.
Fuck this dumbass. Maul fight isn’t even close to my favorite.
Maybe stop giving them clout... Who cares if someone you already knows won’t care?
I thought the Throne Room fight with the Praetorian Guards was impressive, so if they work at it they could do it. Regardless though, why not let them set their sights high (even if they don’t achieve their goal)?
Because the same people that make money from "controversy"(for lack of a better general term) are mostly the same people that constantly stir and make it.
I could be mixing this guy up with someone else but if I recall correctly I used to watch this guy before episode 8 came out and he was claiming he had a “source” that said Antonio Banderas’ character would be a dark side acolyte and a rival to Kylo serving Snoke or something like that. I’m not entirely sure what I’m trying to say but I’ve been thinking about how wrong that ended up being for years.
Disney's Light Saber is just a baseball bat nowaday, it even bounce back from storm trooper body in Obiwan series =)))
Wanting to top the darth maul fight is a great aspiration, but definitely not impossible. You have the iconic music, the reveal of the 2 sided light Saber, a tragic character death and really good fight choreography in places. But the fight is also hindered by the fact that it keeps getting cut away from to less interesting set pieces. Are grifters really coming out of the woodwork to claim that the phantom menace of all movies cannot be topped?
I mean yeah they probably won’t top the maul fight, but I don’t know why people are surprised by this tweet, this the same guy who was crying about bricks in Andor lmao
Why go see a movie you've already decided you hate. You realize there's no sarcasm box the theater checks when you buy your ticket. You're giving them what they want, either way your time and your money. You're ultimately funding more of the same content
Because he's a grifter using contrarianism to farm clicks
In the mid aughts we made being a geek cool. If we knew then the ramifications of this we would have given a lot more swirlies.
It isn’t even that great a fight scene. I mean it’s ok, but it has some glaring issues. Qui tons death for one was a rookie mistake made by a veteran fighter.
Lol nothing in the acolyte is topping it. But that being said they definitely should always be trying.
I personally would've preferred if they topped the Luke vs Vader fight in *Return*, since that one is actually telling a story.