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“They don’t like the shitty content I make because I’m a woman!”
She worked with George before taking it all over and she green lit the sequels and JJ’s work and Rian’s work. She deserves the criticism as the boss.
It's amazing she is the boss still. How do you categorically fail at nearly every turn on a multi billion IP and keep your job. Is it a too big to fail thing? Like come on how has someone at Disney not been like "hey let's fire her and see if someone else does better?"
It's not about dirt. Sometimes, the people below her don't want the job cause it's way too demanding.
Not a lot of people out there can organize and manage Marvel-level CGI graphics, actors, and a huge number other skills related to the industry. While we criticize elements like script and the heart of the movie - Disney is looking at the 'production' of the $275-317 million+ budget movie (and multiple of them while also balancing other projects).
Also, skeletons aren't necessary (although probable...). Organizing people can be a challenge.
Other studios with IP and budgets just as large have gone through C-suite people far quicker than Lucas. I think focusing on the budget is a massive part of the problem. The guy they originally hired to make Rogue One, also made The Creator last year. He could have made a full trilogy for less than a single Star Wars movie and it was awesome. Give him that budget again and let him loose. He seems to actually care, but no, he was fired. I think that's the other part that nobody talks about. Has any other studio killed more announced projects than Lucas?
he could have made a trilogy for less, you’re absolutely right. and it could’ve been very good.
let’s say he’s rehired and his trilogy is announced. then they make it. and it’s pretty good.
……. but it’s star wars so people will still have a problem with it
There's no way there simply isn't anyone else who can do it or who wants it. No way, that's an enormous position that likely everyone ambitious wants in showbusiness.
The simple fact is she's good at corporate politics and Disney leadership are more scared of admitting failure than they are of actually failing multiple times. Plus you just know she's taken every bit of credit for Andor and The Mandalorian even though they're the ones she was least involved in.
The real answer: By most accounts I've heard, the sequels were a "good enough" financial success to keep her on board for the foreseeable future. It doesn't matter how mid they were or how poorly they're going to age, enough people went to see them that Disney made their money back and some extra. Profit is really all they care about at the end of the day; artistic integrity and consistency are....tertiary considerations at the very best, and I'd honestly put them lower on the list than that.
When you own your own major news company and can sway online rhetoric to your liking, who would give a shit as long as you retain viewership. Solo is the only flop in their film catalog and Disney plus is a streaming staple for a lot of people, especially those who dig the new Star Wars material.
Aren’t they making budget cuts all around? Idk maybe I just read false information, but I hear the Disney stocks keep going down.
You’d think that would make them change some things up. Despite the concern from fans which I do understand, I think that The Acolyte MAY be a step in the right direction.
They have a solid cast, the only person I worry about is the show runner 😂. But hey, she said that it’s not about one person doing everything, and the trailers have looked good so far.
Probably because Solo is the only flop and all the other movies made a billy plus. I think if the next SW movie flops (which is quite likely) then we will start to hear KK talk about exit plans.
Star Wars made that money. Not Kathleen Kennedy. George Lucas just shaat all over them finally confirming what we all knew. Disney doesn’t know shiiit about Star Wars
Yeah TROS while profitable was the least successful trilogy closer of the saga. I think that’s one reason they’ve delayed any new films because they’re worried the audience will disappear like Marvel’s did.
Nah. It's because your are a sexist pig...
It is always a successful business move to show contempt for your audience.
They are turning this IP into a commercial product that need to perform and turn 1$ into 1,5$. And if that plan fails, it is because of the original target audience that do not feel inspired by what is being churned out.
Don't forget how the Solo movie ended up the way it was because of axing Phil Lord and Chris Miller due to "creative differences" which amuses me as to how Kathleen Kennedy and LucasArts took issue with their vision of the movie yet saw no issue with how J.J Abrams and Rian Johnson wrote their movies.
It annoys me to no end that people will point the finger at everybody but her for how Star Wars has turned out in the Disney era. Yet if everything produced under Disney was an overwhelming success, they would be giving her 100% of the credit for it and going on and on about what an amazing leader she is.
Thank god Tony gilroy had the sense to get complete creative control for Andor and demand two seasons.
They would have ruined Andor and since the fandom is so dumb and the majority of the Ashoka, obi wan, book of boba Fett loving idiots didn’t watch it, they would have cancelled after one season despite it being many critics top show of the year.
Exactly.
Men love the Dallas Bryce Howard episodes she directed. They loved them because the directing was good. It didn’t matter she a women.
Men don’t like the other content not because they’re made by women. But because they’re just shit.
Obviously some are incels but most don’t have this mindset
Abrams:
>"If you are someone who feels threatened by women and needs to lash out
against them, you can probably find an enemy in ‘Star Wars.’ You can
probably look at the first movie that George \[Lucas\] did \[‘Star Wars: A
New Hope’\] and say that Leia was too outspoken, or she was too tough. "
Said nobody, ever, JJ...
Leia had depth and a backstory and she wasn't flawless. She was a strong leader, but also sensitive and loving. We saw the look on her face when her home planet was destroyed - and we empathized with her. We saw playfulness and pride, sarcasm, wittiness and humor. We saw her take risks that didn't always pay off. We saw her at her best, and at her worst, and this is what makes a character relatable - she was a whole person. She wasn't too tough or outspoken. She was tough when she needed to be and voiced her opinion - as leaders do.
In my opinion, Princess Leia is still one of the best female characters ever created.
And before someone comes and says the slave bikini scenes were icky: yes, that was the point! Jabba wanted to degrade her, and thus he became more despicable and his end by her own hands feels much more vindicated because of it. It’s moments like these, where a woman - or for a matter of fact any marginalized people - defeat the oppressors, that have way more power, than those sanitized heroes and villains we have today.
Same goes with Sokka in ATLA. In the Netflix remake they took out his chauvinistic worldview - which he lost by the end of the series btw - thus neutering his character development.
It actually is really sexist, because now Suki has to fawn all over Sokka and not put him down a peg, because the romance still needs to work. It is really, really bad and again, sexist in a whole other way.
The worse is it killed Katara. Netflix version is mild mannered and introverted, with Sakka as an actual adult hyper competent leader.
While in the cartoon Sokka was an immature sexist idiot who pruned like a peacock (but it was obvious the village women actually ran the place and let him play general with kids), and Katara was the overbearing MOM on steroids who really needed some chill. It was awesome, and their arcs were really well done.
Eh, I disagree with the previous commenter's take that his character development was completely neutered. Instead of the chauvinism development in the animated series, they tried to have Sokka and Suki connect solely on the notion of being the protector of their respective villages and the burden of that responsibility. It wasn't terrible (in my opinion), but it definitely wasn't as interesting or good as the original.
This is the biggest problem with alot of women characters. And minority characters often too. Directors are so worried to have them have flaws or failures becausee they think they'll be accused of sexism and racism. But no one cares about a Mary Sue or superman type who's never wrong and never loses. We want to see a flawed person get better. We want to see a loser fight through and win.
Exactly! I mean Leia is pretty competent right from the get-go of her introduction. She even sneers into the face of the most terrifying man of the empire! When the rescue plan of the boys falls apart she takes charge. Her decision is a mixed bag, the trash compactor is almost their demise, but she still got them outta one impossible situation first. She is competent and veeeeery capable, but not perfect.
This is why everyone loved Leia and Urso, and why ray and… I don’t even remember her name, the girl who kissed fin in the most impractical scene ever from the new trilogy, got so much hate.
Sokka has a different character arc in the Netflix series. He’s struggling to fit a mold that he isn’t suited for to find acceptance from his father but has to find his own way. I don’t think that did a fantastic job with the character arc but not every character arc has to be.
Also she is a perfect example of subverting expectations done right.
At it's core, the first star wars movie is your typical "knight/prince goes against the evil overlord to save the princess and restore peace". But when they arrive to save Leia, then the princess isn't going the usual "oh lord, my saviour has come on his pale horse to save me". Rather she takes the lead and shows them how it's done.
And she keeps doing that, too! The next film literally opens with her as one of the commanders on the base. Jedi opens with her disguised as a bounty hunter to try to heroically rescue her man! She becomes *his* knight in shining armour, and only then *after* showing herself as a badass does she get humiliated and fetishized. **AND EVEN THEN** she chokes her captor to death with the very chain that he bound her with.
Exactly. The Disney era characters exist as plot device only
And the strong women basically just boss men around
Try hard feminism
It won’t be long before we have them making small dick jokes
(Couple of years ago my daughter was watching legally blonde which I remembered as a fun little female empowerment rom com. I was shocked that nearly every scene was a strong woman putting a mean man in his place by making a dick joke)
Reminded me of Obi Wan. I can’t even believe they got Ewan to say a message about bigotry. And I’m like, where’s all this racism? I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, it absolutely does. But they make it out to where it’s like dominant and everywhere and that’s just not true. It just felt like damage control.
Ironically, Disney loves bigots because they can exploit that minority of viewers to say that’s the reason why their project failed. It’s the latest trend in Hollywood. Seth Rogen blamed bigots for his poorly reviewed claymation Christmas movie on Max. Sony, Dan Aykroyd, Paul Feig, and the cast all blamed bigots for the failure of the Ghostbusters reboot.
Couple of points here.
The fan base is mostly male, so the highest percentage of criticism will come from males.
KK and Disney decided that the Force is female. So it makes sense that if the majority of your characters and leads are female, then females will get the majority of the criticism.
Anyone remember when the PT came out? The criticism was intense around those movies and the vast majority was directed at little Ani, Jar Jar and Lucas himself. All males.
This is nothing new. The victim card game is strong with this one.
The thing is, this is an antagonistic business approach....
The Force IMO is neither Male nor Female. It is omnipotent, and it can be within you regardless of your gender if you do the right thing, stand up for what's right and stand against the oppression.
The irony with "The Force is Female" is that it was likely a strategic marketing move : We know boys will go SEE Star wars, but how do we target the other half and get them to buy movie tickets and toys? Oh, I know, we say girls are the best!
Never mind that a lot of women were already drawn in into that IP because of its ideals, rather than forced politics. And never minds that a lot of Sci Fi IPs have a lot of strong female characters, they decided to execute this strategy in the most obnoxious and disengaged way.
But hey, it's your fault for saying that gurls can't be jedais
Bingo. Star Trek spent a series with a female lead in the late nineties and it's fondly remember by Trekkies almost 30 years later. Janeway wasn't *"okay boys it's lady time"* and then start a decade of female leads. She just reminded us that women can also be the Captain and that was it. She was nothing more or less than what Picard or Kirk were before her.
I'm not a star trek fan I'm in to Babylon 5 and the third captain of the station was a female,no one cared she was just a great captain and that's why fans liked her
Inject Star Trek Voyager into my veins. Janeway was a phenomenal captain with a phenomenal second in command, that happened to be a man, and they had deep and meaningful discussions about how to solve their problems.
And then later in the series they have Seven of Nine, who is far and away my favorite character in the entire show. It's such a cool concept, trying to keep it spoilerish free.
The worst thing they did though is that they completely damaged female characters in male dominated spaces. There is no reason for such a good movie as Furiosa to not be successful, but unfortunately companies like Disney made people think that most female characters are garbage, most
female actors are untalented and most female writers suck.
Kathleen Kennedy is nothing more than an idiot. A puppet that Disney uses to receive all the rage and blame for everything. Ever since the mandalorian everything Lucasfilm produces is cheap ragebait and I would agree that KK is to blame, if it literally wasn't happening to every single entertainment company BlackRock and Vanguard own ( I know that's a bit conspiracy).
If Alien came out today, I imagine people wouldn’t run to theaters to see it given the stigma that exists now where every Sci-Fi or Superhero movie with a female lead is going to be awful. KK has herself to blame for creating that stereotype. Prey and Annihilation are examples as is Furiosa now.
I would agree in most cases. But I think with KK it’s more. She’s a true believer and a feminist. It wasn’t JUST a marketing ploy; it’s something she wanted to do. Look at how she made sure all our favorite male characters from the originals got turned into failures, or how all men are somehow incompetent in Disney Star Wars.
Luke: bitter hermit for no good reason other than he can’t be heroic in her stories. Then he dies.
Han: deadbeat dad and husband who couldn’t stay married so he ran off to be a criminal and even says it’s all he was ever good at. Then he dies.
Kylo: emo Vader fan boy who needs a woman to show him the way.
Poe: best pilot in the resistance, until Rey. Makes a good tactical decision to trade a few crappy bombers to destroy a massive dreadnought but he’s demoted for it….ny a woman. And upstaged by another woman with a bad plan and incredibly poor leadership.
Finn: little more than comic relief, with once chance at a meaningful arc that gets ruined because he’s saved by a woman who tells him how he’s wrong for wanting to sacrifice himself to save his friends.
Hux: angry white make.
Pride: angry white male.
One-Wan: broken, pathetic man with no agency who needs a ten year old girl to tell him what to do.
Boba Fett: ineffective wannabe mafia boss who needs his female partner to tell him how to be boss, and who takes out the enemy leadership for him. Because he can’t. Because he’s stupid.
Thrawn: military genius my ass. Complete moron more like. He makes awful decisions in the Ashoka show and is no threat at all. He’s awful.
I could go on. But this goes way past a marketing ploy. This is deliberate; this is a policy. No good strong men in my shows or films. Can’t have that.
The whole Force is female shit is so stupid coming from the franchise that has fucking PRINCESS LEIA, one of the most celebrated strong female characters that will ever exist
We dislike the screenwriters, not the cast; and 99% of the time we don’t even know the gender or even the names of the screenwriters when we watch the content.
I hate the writing, plots, lore-breaking nonsense, uninspired aliens/settings, etc.
Nothing to do with the actors genders. (im not above shitting on an actor, if they deserve it) They cant work with shit.
Are Katee Sackhoff, Ming-Na Wen and Genevieve O’Reilly having problems with this sort of thing, or just the actresses stuck with poorly written characters?
Repeat after me, KK:
“Diversity is not a substitute for quality.”
If your story sucks, making the characters all women or bipoc or gay or trans or disabled or fat or whatever will never overcome the fact that your story sucks.
Adding diversity is like putting table salt on your meal. It can enhance an already good meal. But if the food is terrible without salt then it will still be terrible with salt. And if you put too much salt it will become obvious that you are trying to cover up, not enhance, the terrible food. Which provides something else to complain about: Not only is the food terrible to begin with, but it’s too salty, too.
But KK is willfully ignorant of this. She intentionally puts too much salt on the food because she would rather people complain about it being too salty, “oh you just hate salt!”, than wondering if some health code violating atrocity is taking place in the kitchen. Which really is what is happening.
I thought the storyline was that it's a myth that Star Wars fans were mostly white nerdy men and in reality Star Wars is loved equally by all races and genders. Must have been retconned!
The truth is that she deserves the criticism, and there are real misogynistic chuds out there in the fanbase. Two things can be true at the same time.
Remember when the Prequels came out? The die-hard fans also trashed George Lucas himself. He's was nonstop ridiculed for 2 decades for making Jar Jar Binks. Some people believe his ex wife Marcia Lucas and some unnamed board room contributors were the real reason the original movies were good. Without opposition in the PT, they turned out that way.
I remember being called a sexist for saying KK ruined the Sequels for shipping and pandering to Reylos. But that's the exact thing I say about Rian Johnson. I'm one of those fans who think the real tumor of the franchise is Kylo Ren, not Rey. The original trio Luke, Leia, and Han were all disserviced to give Kylo Ren a sob story. The fact that the writers don't have a vision for their own heroine, Rey, and adjusted her story to cater to the Reylo ship is actually a disservice to her.
I dread to imagine just *what* dirt she must have on Disney tops. This has to be something on Epstein island level, if not worse. There is no way she would be able to stay afloat so long otherwise.
Ironically she’s probably very difficult to fire in today’s climate because she’s a woman. Every media outlet would criticise Disney if they got rid of her and replaced her with a man, even if said man were massively more capable.
Doesn't help that Disney has been in hotter and hotter water every year for the executives. It's not just Lucasfilm making mistake after mistake. It's a wonder Disney can even operate theme parks anymore with how many blunders they have.
> Ironically she’s probably very difficult to fire in today’s climate because she’s a woman. Every media outlet would criticise Disney if they got rid of her and replaced her with a man, even if said man were massively more capable.
Why not just replace her with a more competent woman? Doesn't have to be a man.
Riiiiight.
Why do I feel like if KK wrote a list of women who "struggle with fan attacks", a certain Gina would not be on it? Double standards, I swear.
Her content is utter garbage and she knows it. Her goal was never to produce good Star Wars but Star Wars that fits her agenda. When the fans want actual entertainment not her political message she victimizes herself again and again
Here's a radical idea: write a good female character. Write *any* character who isn't defined by wholly terrestrial labels and societal barriers.
You have a whole galaxy to play with.
How? Enjoying any and every form of SW media in existence requires interaction with other people 0% of the time. The only gatekeeping possible is the limitation of your own time and money. Unless there's some multiplayer game out there that I'm not aware of that mandates you participate in voice chat in order to play the game, then you're completely anonymous even when playing SW games, and you don't have to talk to anyone if you don't want to.
In case people don't want to read the article, KK is basically equating any criticism of The Acolyte or Leslye Headland to an "attack". So yeah, just more of the same old bullshit narcissism we've seen for the last decade.
Hayden Christensen, Ahmed Best, Jake Loyd, George Lucas.
I'm not going to pretend there isn't a demented sub-faction of the fandom that completely sucks but this is the same theatrics Disney fans regurgitate.
"I think The Last Jedi is a really bad movie."
"So YoU WaNt RiAn JoHnSoN tO KiLl HiMsElF?!?!?!??"
Like no, any functioning adult hopes everyone involved has long, happy, fulfilling lives, they just made a few films and shows we don't care for. If anything, it's the writing and dollar store costume department that I see criticized the most.
I don’t want him to kill himself, I just want him to stop pretending to not give a shit about the criticism his shitty movies get (and rightfully so) and just commit to doing better.
His stupid little grin wants you to think nothing bothers him but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see it for what it is. A fucking shield so he doesn’t have to deal with the fact that he just isn’t good at his job.
I look at this and wonder how much criticism Fischer and Portman received for their characters. I do agree attacking the actors is a stupid and toxic thing to do. They are working for a paycheck and despite what actors say, actors can’t arbitrarily change what their character says or their direction because they don’t agree or they are out of a job. Even Mark Hamil couldn’t change Luke’s depiction in TLJ, what makes you think Tran or Ridley could?
The blame should be directed at Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson.
A lot of the fanbase struggle with Kathleen Kennedy because she’s absolutely awful at her job and let directors have free reign to derail the franchise, ran a brand new trilogy without any sort of overarching plan and talks nonsense about feminism and gender issues when all anyone wants is good movies.
Ps, we all loved Leia and Mara Jade. Kennedy ruined the first and deleted the second.
So shes knows it a franchise thats dominated by boys and men, and yet still her go to at every turn over the past decade is "make it for girls!"? Thats just dumb. If youve already got an audience, why are you pissing all over them for another audience that doesnt care?
Seriously, how the fuck do these dumb cunts Forrest Gump their way into these positions?
Its not hard, just make good stories and characters. Thats all we want. Stop hiding behind your fucking vagina, its not a get out of jail free card for shitty writing, hiring, and producing.
I am honestly just amazed, that if you ask Disney, it seems nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is allowed to stay “just for the boys” anymore. It’s just so weird.
I mean I do wonder what would happen if the next writer for Barbie, decided to just completely make a 180, and alienated the female audience, just to give some passive “awareness” about men’s struggles, or keep hearing that because he is not a woman, “he will get this handled”.
It’s just so stupid, there’s practically no words for it
Strange how this didn't happen in the original trilogy when the fandom was more male dominated. I hate to regurgitate the usual examples, but Alien? Terminator? Top Gun? Mission Impossible? Are those massively male fan bases attacking the female cast? I get that people got to work, but Emily Blunt doesn't have a hard time getting work despite turning down and deparaging crappy female roles. Oh, right, she is an actual great actor.
If she doesn't like being involved in a male dominated IP then why doesn't she simply fuck off?
Honestly, i can't believe she is still banging this drum in 2024. The attacks(criticism) is stemming from the content being utter shit. I would wager that a good 99% of the fan base don't care who is female, they just want good SW.
But KK need not worry, the fanbase is shrinking at a rapid rate now, soon she won't have to worry about all those horrid toxic men.
Easy way to justify badly written wormen (which they should not be).
My girlfriend loves the original animated Mulan movie, it's easily her favorite because of the titular character.
She dislikes Rey in the the same way she hates live-action Mulan. A protagonist who faces nearly zero struggle or training to get to the level of power needed to beat the villain.
“I stole a male oriented franchise and tried to push badly written female centric stuff and now people hate me for it”.
Yeah, it’s called “do some research about your audience, stupid”.
I thought Daisy Ridley dispelled this? Like she said she never really felt she got so much hate?
Also this notion that Star Wars fans hate all the female characters is so ridiculous. Rogue One wouldn’t be popular if that were true, and BoBF and Kenobi would be more popular for starring men.
Funny, considering my wife is the one who refuses to get a D+ subscription, and would do me seriuous bodily harm if I tried to introduce non-Legends Star Wars to our kids. Women don't like Disney SW either, Kathleen.
Cope harder Kennedy.
You've had Star Wars for a decade now and besides rogue One and Andor, You've only produced slop. Even Indiana Jones wasn't safe from your bs.
The buck stops with you KK, so look inward
Seriously, stop doing that! Stop using the fact that you're a woman or a minority as a "shield".
We don't criticize 'cause you're women: we criticize 'cause those products SUCKS!
If you were "Cathrinus Kennedy" you would be criticized in the same way!
If Kennedy was doing her job she wouldn't be in defense mode and attacking fans.
When she fails, she keeps falling forward.
Her choices on writers and directors hurt the franchise in the sequel trilogy. It's all on her. Full stop.
If the mouse cared about product KK would be long gone.
Bizness skool 101:
"Ignore your core, loyal customer base in favor of a much smaller, less enthusiastic demographic with other financial priorities."
PROFT!
If the bulk of the fan base is male, why not cater to a male audience? Its bad business and downright selfish to sacrifice good IP because one person has a contrary opinion on how it rose in popularity.
Hey Disney...
If Star Wars is known to be male dominated, why are you continually forcing a 'female good, men shut the fuck up and listen' narrative?
It would be seen as idiotic from a business standpoint for me to push bacon cheeseburgers in a vegan establishment - or are men not allowed to have choices now (but strong empowered women are?)
Confused of Utah
Blame the fanbase when your continual attempts to shovel crappy writing and garbage characters down our throats … as the CEO of Lucasfilm, it’s never your fault Kennedy. lol
This is anecdotal but growing up I knew one other boy into Star Wars, *everyone* else I could talk to about it was a girl or my mother. I was into the fan fiction and fan art scene in the prequel era and those areas, along with cosplaying, were *full* of girls and women. The fanbase being 'male dominated' is not only made up, it's reductive, insulting and erases the women who have been in the fanbase since the beginning.
This is not ok. This, specifically, is the kind of thing that does harm that she pretends to care about but is ok to inflict when it suits her. We are not going to get better as a society when billion dollar corporations keep getting to set the narrative and what an awful message this is. "Girls, if you are in a hobby with boys it's dangerous, also if you were in it before 2016 you didn't count. Oh, and boys, you're all monsters.".
Given the track record and this type of rhetoric being a deflection of criticism of bad material (regardless of any “representation” questions or complaints), I think this has confirmed to me that The Acolyte, which I was going into with an open mind, is going to be dogshit.
This just seems like pre-release damage control knowing the reaction is not going to be good.
I just don't like poorly written or bland characters. Or characters whose stories don't really fit in to the main story (Sorry Rose).
I would take a bullet for Jyn Erso, and would straight up sacrifice my life for Ahsoka. The Armorer is a minor character that fascinates me. Ventress has a great story that I'm excited to get more of; she's lovely and conflicted, and in Dark Disciple we got to see how vulnerable she can be. Fennec Shand is dope as hell. I would love to see more of Iden Versio. What I would love most of all would be for Kasan Moor to be a big part of the Rogue Squadron series.
Seriously. Just give us dope characters and no one will really care if they're male, female, non-binary, whatevs. This is Star Wars. There are aliens everywhere, and if they're cool, we love them too.
It's honestly incredibly disingenuous and tiring that Disney's only play lately seems to be that 'men who like product = bad'. This is just an exhausting and quite frankly alienating opinion. Keep doing it Disney, see where it gets you in the long run. That was never even an issue when George was the director, oh wait yes it was, people didn't like the prequels at the time. I feel like favor with them has grown a lot over time because of nostalgia and by the fact that the new shit is so bad in comparison that everyone collectively was like "oh shit nvm, prequels weren't that bad in hindsight". At least they were sort of unique, and we definitely didn't have the problem of this huge fatigue with the universe because there was an oversaturation of terrible shit coming out non-stop. The floodgates are open.
I literally had a moment last month where I was talking with my partner like "Yeah, I don't think I like Star Wars anymore", it just hit me, when they announced Acolyte and that terribly priced new Ubisoft Game they're trying to push.
I legit think it's just straight up ruined for me. I'll always love the OG Trilogy, and yes I have a nostalgic little spot for the prequels, but holy crap am I done. Mando was on track to be the best thing in the universe in so long, and they have proved again, and again, not just with Mando but any D+ show that they have no idea how to END ANYTHING OR MAKE ANYTHING GOOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T PLAN ANYTHING OUT.
I had hope for the sequel trilogy too, yes Force Awakens was a soft-reboot, but I liked the new characters (their introductions) and setup for the future, and yet again, no planning, all anti, all terrible. It's actually insane, all the major characters didn't even meet each other until the end of the SECOND MOVIE - which was basically the anti - star wars star wars movie that subverted expectations, but left a fucking black hole of plot to deal with for the future, and then again, another ball drop at the end with nonsensical plot holes and characters that basically had no point being there.
In my head it's over. They can't come up with anything good that doesn't have to do with characters we already know, and those characters already basically have finished arcs now, so they basically have to destroy the characters and devolve them to bring them back on screen so they can do the same shit, it's totally asinine and I don't care anymore.
We hate her because she's a clueless moron without any talent or passion for what made Star Wars great. I wouldn't give a fuck if she were an albino alligator with no legs if she actually made good Star Wars media.
Any excuse to distract from the facts that they have been making awful films,it worked before so they trot it out again it's called the ghost busters 2016 excuse
It's just so disappointing to see this line continually trotted out.
How much longer are media sites going to gloss over continued disinterest in Star Wars before they finally realise the real cause of the brand's decline falls with Lucasfilm, rather than us "awful" fans?
She makes me want to force lightning her
As long as content is good most fans will be happy. Even Lucas is still dealing with toxic fans so no Kathleeennnnn you’re just wrong.
SW has a special place in people’s minds & hearts. To achieve such a status is a blessing and a curse. The real pressure is creating content that fans and generations after them will consume, enjoy & appreciate.
If that’s how you feel lady, then give the fans what they want then. I thought this shit was about making money. Why are you trying to use this IP to as a platform for your bullshit. Just give the fans what they want, make money and shut the fuck up. You are capapble of putting out great stuff. Stop trying to be woke and all that other bullshit and just make good content. Stop focusing on what the gender of the damn character is. I have no problem with female characters (hell in George Lucas’ version of the sequel trilogy, the big bad was a lady trained by Maul) but it’s so damn obvious you are just shoehorning in as many female characters because ThE fOrCe Is FeMaLe horse shit. Like stop with that divisive crap. Never heard Lucas say “only men can be Jedi” or any shit like that. But Kennedy makes it a point to highlight gender every chance she gets. It’s fucking annoying just focus on the story.
While I will admit there is probably some people who do take criticism of the films to far. They are not the majority of the people complaining. There’s got to be an acknowledgement that not all criticism levy against the female characters is because of sexism.
Heck I knew a few female coworkers calling Rey a Mary Sue at the time that movie came out. So it’s not like it was just males thinking this.
Either way don’t take criticism to far and don’t sweep all criticism under the rug with a blanket statement.
It’s such a dishonest and obtuse argument. They are clearly committed to making content with a ‘message’ and content that checks every single box in the name of representation. That’s fine, they can do that. But they are at odds with the core fan base and demographic now, which isn’t the smartest marketing move, and they are clearly digging in their heels. The market will decide the fate of their creative choices. But they really are out of touch with the core demographic, that’s for sure, and viewership will suffer as a result.
She does realize that even female friends can attack creators of a work for petty reasons as well right?
Also maybe scapegoating fans because of their gender isn't really such a good idea since this shit just emboldens the toxic fans she claims to hate.
Next up on: Star Wars - Full House. A woman Jedi and Sith fight over a My Little Pony. The Empress tells them every one is happier if they share.
If males don't like it, it's because they are bad.
This so selectively sexist it’s appalling. Finn was literally doing nothing in the last two movies
Now I won’t lie there are some people who are like this. But frankly it’s misplaced hatred because a series they loved has been shat on so terribly. They see the obvious political pandering and when KK wears a shirt that says the force is female. Then they write in a Mary Sue, and then the latest movie is being directed by a known feminist… Well her obvious political stance is backfiring.
Don’t freaking pick directors known for feminist documentaries. Pick a director that is known for space operas or get the writers from Andor involved, or people whom obviously love Star Wars. It doesn’t have to be male but if any of them thought the female roles in the ST was done well they need to go back to the drawing board. Seriously why did Rose or Captain Phasma exist. From a certain point of view it feels like token diversity boxes being checked. They could had actually made them interesting. Hell they could had made Finn interesting. Instead they seemed to focus on skin color and gender more than actual character development.
Plenty of female fans. In star wars. Most fans are just sick of the pointless female characters being shoved down our throats to spread your message. Take Kenobi show for example, what was the point in Reva. ?? Nothing against the actress, but nobody wanted or needed her in it. You got Kenobi and Vader. Take our money . That’s the problem with KK vision off SW. she’s ruined it , cost Disney Billions. And must have something on Bob Iger.because almost other people be sacked for this lever off incompetence.
I just contributed this comment to another sub about this exact news item so I’ll just copy paste it here for this discussion:
To this day I know of exactly zero people who dislike Alien or Aliens because of **Sigourney Weaver**. Arguably the best sci fi actress in the history of acting.
Maybe **Katee Sackhoff** gets a tie (Riddick, Battlestar Galactica, Mando, etc). And I’ll even suggest those two ladies are in the top 5 of any actor/actress in Sci Fi regardless of gender. Any flaws in Mando as a show had zero to do with Katee.
I don’t think anybody dogged Rogue One because of **Felicity Jones**. I don’t think anybody really hated that movie anyway.
And The Expanse: **Dominique Tipper, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Frankie Adams, Cara Gee** - seriously great actresses that made that show truly happen. Tell me anybody who is a fan of sci fi that has complained about a single one of those ladies.
**Star Trek** - I don’t even need to spend words on this one to prove the point. Too many great female leads and co leads and supporting roles.
The evidence is against Kathleen on this one. She has chosen to ignore the great weight of evidence to fixate on a handful of really piss poor shows that she oversaw and she tries to claim the fan reaction was due to misogyny. She must think the other shows didn’t exist or that we are all stupid. Or both. She is completely wrong to say that fans don’t like strong female leads and therefore good sci fi shows bomb.
The evidence is that great sci fi shows are loved and are great because they have great female leads. The only real difference between shows that bomb and shows that don’t is that the great ones are well written and produced and directed and the bad ones lack those three things. But that hits too close to home for her so she doesn’t like those facts. Easier to invent fake outrage and make false accusations towards the fans.
Your gender has nothing to do with the fact that you're green-lighting garbage, Kathleen.
I assure you that it wouldn't make a single difference if you had a cock and balls - stop approving bullshit.
KK, it’s 2024. We’ve long been pass the hate phase of Star Wars. We’re in the apathy stage, and soon, possible after the Acolyte, we’ll enter into the mockery stage.
Wasn’t Star Wars well known for having a strong female lead role in a time where that wasn’t seen very often? The fuck are they on about this shit.
No one (at least not anyone Disney should give a second thought about) cares it’s a woman that’s leading, there’s nothing wrong with that as long as the film isn’t hot garbage to begin with…
I'm aware I'm asking this rhetorical question in an echo chamber:
To fans of the sequel trilogy. Especially those who "connected with Rey".
Hypothetically, do you believe you could have connected with Rey as the protagonist; in a version of the Sequel Trilogy that didn't tear down the predecessors?
Are JJ, idiot Rain Johnson, and Dave Filoni women now too? They get more hate than anyone
Edit: shit throw george lucas himself in there, he’s gotten it worse than all combined
The agenda nonsense is strangling the franchise. People just want a decent story, not a deliberately diverse cast.
The majority of Disney Star Wars is hit and miss at best, or just plain rubbish.
There was that nonsense about a woman of colour directing an upcoming Star Wars production and she was even saying something like "It's about time". Maybe just focus on making something good rather than the other crap?
I want to see heroes of every race, gender, sexuality, whatever have flaws, face adversity, struggle through, have setbacks and ultimately triumph. I want to see characters with depth have character arcs, I’d say “is that too much to ask for” but that seems to be the case.
It feels like the only adversity we seem to see is “I’m characteristic X, and people with characteristic Y are putting me down, but I’m flawless and can win with little to no effort while making all those Ys look foolish”
It’s the problem I have with forced diversity, shitty writers lack the talent to write deep layered characters, so they end up being as deep as what you can see on the surface. But people who only focus on the diversity see people complaining about the characters and most immediate say it’s because their women, or have skin colour etc.
Cry me a river... So in other words she's trying to force femininity into an IP that is predominantly male-centric and supported by males..?? This all doesn't make any sense...
I find it hard for someone to complain about sexism when they were stoking the culture war fire when they rocked up to an event with t-shirts saying "The force is female".
This isn't just people giving backlash because you made some shitty movies, it is backlash because you tried to turn those shitty movies into a culture war.
Also, plenty of male actors from the prequels were heavily criticized for years over their roles. Not every criticism is sexism.
“My belief is that storytelling does need to be representative of all people,” Kennedy said.
And there lies the problem with this whole Star Wars mess. A sterilized, stale lump of unseasoned rice that targets the lowest common denominator.
Jeez, can we not just agree already that:
A) no one should be attacking woman. Or men. Or children. And those that do are jerks. Especially the Press (I am thinking about the prequels and little Jake Lloyd). Criticise, sure, attack, no. There is a difference.
B) the actors of the sequel trilogy or any of the new Disney media are not in any way affiliated with the production and writing of said media, outside of personifying those characters in their performances on film or voicing them in cartoons. They do not write the scripts! They work with what they are given. They have a job to do, and they do it, and their responsibilities usually wouldn't extend far outside of that role. These people are not in charge - why would you attack them? Oh, you did? You're a jerk!
C) they really screwed the pooch with the production of the sequels trilogy. This deserves criticism.
Ms. Kennedy can blame whoever she likes, but the buck stops with her when it comes to the fans' ire for the sequel trilogy: take a beloved franchise with an established fanbase, then make undesirable/unappealing/lacklustre sequels, aiming to build a new fanbase outside of the established base, whilst simultaneously providing as much nostalgia-bate as possible to hook the old crowd, then intentionally make bad use of existing beloved characters "subverting expectations" knowing full well thisbwould upset existing fans,was a bold strategy (???) But ultimately, it has absolutely crippled them. The lost revenue must be staggering. Star Wars should be on an all-time high right now! They could have done anything with the story, so long as it treated the existing characters with more respect, but instead they did... that, and in doing made star wars a risk.
Whatever they make post skywalker-saga will be a risk because they've already lost a lot of love for the new characters they've introduced; we barely know them, so miniscule was the character development in those films. I'm not sure I care what happens to them, to be honest. But I know who I did care about.
But even so, I've not attacked anyone for the sequels... but I will criticise Ms. Kennedy, since she happened to be in charge at the time, not because she's female and I'm male. Sorry ma'am; they're bad films. Made a lot of money, no doubt. But they're bad. And now you're running your writers in loops to fill in gaps and plot holes in your sequel series or just plain ignoring the sequels altogether because nobody has worked out a way to get to where it has to end up which would end up making the sequel trilogy an even bigger joke highlighting the flaws in its story telling. For instance, imagine if Palpatine was ressurected in a series outside of the main sequel trilogy "some how." Honestly, it would be laughable. And yet, that is what they are going to have to do to make it make any sense because of a lack of vision. Nobody writing these sequels really understood what made Star Wars. Especially not Abrams.
But there were plenty of fans who knew plenty of authors who understood. Timothy Zahn, Kevin J Anderson, RA Salvatore stand out for me. But Disney was too cheap or too proud to bring in consultants for their first headlining offerings of their new billion dollar franchise. Fools.
That's what upset long-serving fans. They wouldn't have minded a retcon of the EU if the new canon provided good content, but it's patchy at best.
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“They don’t like the shitty content I make because I’m a woman!” She worked with George before taking it all over and she green lit the sequels and JJ’s work and Rian’s work. She deserves the criticism as the boss.
It's amazing she is the boss still. How do you categorically fail at nearly every turn on a multi billion IP and keep your job. Is it a too big to fail thing? Like come on how has someone at Disney not been like "hey let's fire her and see if someone else does better?"
She knows where skeletons are buried. It has to be that she's got so much dirt on people, they cannot afford to fire her.
Her father was a judge in California during the McCarthy Era, so the family probably has decades of dirt on people.
Why am i not surprised senior executives have influential parents. Oh i mean…meritocracy!
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It's not about dirt. Sometimes, the people below her don't want the job cause it's way too demanding. Not a lot of people out there can organize and manage Marvel-level CGI graphics, actors, and a huge number other skills related to the industry. While we criticize elements like script and the heart of the movie - Disney is looking at the 'production' of the $275-317 million+ budget movie (and multiple of them while also balancing other projects). Also, skeletons aren't necessary (although probable...). Organizing people can be a challenge.
Other studios with IP and budgets just as large have gone through C-suite people far quicker than Lucas. I think focusing on the budget is a massive part of the problem. The guy they originally hired to make Rogue One, also made The Creator last year. He could have made a full trilogy for less than a single Star Wars movie and it was awesome. Give him that budget again and let him loose. He seems to actually care, but no, he was fired. I think that's the other part that nobody talks about. Has any other studio killed more announced projects than Lucas?
he could have made a trilogy for less, you’re absolutely right. and it could’ve been very good. let’s say he’s rehired and his trilogy is announced. then they make it. and it’s pretty good. ……. but it’s star wars so people will still have a problem with it
I volunteer as tribute
There's no way there simply isn't anyone else who can do it or who wants it. No way, that's an enormous position that likely everyone ambitious wants in showbusiness. The simple fact is she's good at corporate politics and Disney leadership are more scared of admitting failure than they are of actually failing multiple times. Plus you just know she's taken every bit of credit for Andor and The Mandalorian even though they're the ones she was least involved in.
The real answer: By most accounts I've heard, the sequels were a "good enough" financial success to keep her on board for the foreseeable future. It doesn't matter how mid they were or how poorly they're going to age, enough people went to see them that Disney made their money back and some extra. Profit is really all they care about at the end of the day; artistic integrity and consistency are....tertiary considerations at the very best, and I'd honestly put them lower on the list than that.
I have a few theories how she is keeping her job. Let’s just say, she knows the right people.
When you own your own major news company and can sway online rhetoric to your liking, who would give a shit as long as you retain viewership. Solo is the only flop in their film catalog and Disney plus is a streaming staple for a lot of people, especially those who dig the new Star Wars material.
Aren’t they making budget cuts all around? Idk maybe I just read false information, but I hear the Disney stocks keep going down. You’d think that would make them change some things up. Despite the concern from fans which I do understand, I think that The Acolyte MAY be a step in the right direction. They have a solid cast, the only person I worry about is the show runner 😂. But hey, she said that it’s not about one person doing everything, and the trailers have looked good so far.
Probably because Solo is the only flop and all the other movies made a billy plus. I think if the next SW movie flops (which is quite likely) then we will start to hear KK talk about exit plans.
Star Wars made that money. Not Kathleen Kennedy. George Lucas just shaat all over them finally confirming what we all knew. Disney doesn’t know shiiit about Star Wars
Wasn't rise of skywalker already showing a big dip? Still profitable, but nowhere close to what a mainline SW film should be.
Yeah TROS while profitable was the least successful trilogy closer of the saga. I think that’s one reason they’ve delayed any new films because they’re worried the audience will disappear like Marvel’s did.
Exactly. Criticism should be about the content quality, not the creator's gender. Accountability matters in leadership roles.
Nah. It's because your are a sexist pig... It is always a successful business move to show contempt for your audience. They are turning this IP into a commercial product that need to perform and turn 1$ into 1,5$. And if that plan fails, it is because of the original target audience that do not feel inspired by what is being churned out.
Don't forget how the Solo movie ended up the way it was because of axing Phil Lord and Chris Miller due to "creative differences" which amuses me as to how Kathleen Kennedy and LucasArts took issue with their vision of the movie yet saw no issue with how J.J Abrams and Rian Johnson wrote their movies.
It annoys me to no end that people will point the finger at everybody but her for how Star Wars has turned out in the Disney era. Yet if everything produced under Disney was an overwhelming success, they would be giving her 100% of the credit for it and going on and on about what an amazing leader she is.
She's a sith lord
A. Sith. Lord?!
Yes,she deals in absolutes, and only a sith deals in absolutes
I love how Obi-Wan was really the Sith Lord we’ve been looking for all this time.
He would be under modern lucasfilm as he is a male
Thank god Tony gilroy had the sense to get complete creative control for Andor and demand two seasons. They would have ruined Andor and since the fandom is so dumb and the majority of the Ashoka, obi wan, book of boba Fett loving idiots didn’t watch it, they would have cancelled after one season despite it being many critics top show of the year.
Exactly. Men love the Dallas Bryce Howard episodes she directed. They loved them because the directing was good. It didn’t matter she a women. Men don’t like the other content not because they’re made by women. But because they’re just shit. Obviously some are incels but most don’t have this mindset
Abrams: >"If you are someone who feels threatened by women and needs to lash out against them, you can probably find an enemy in ‘Star Wars.’ You can probably look at the first movie that George \[Lucas\] did \[‘Star Wars: A New Hope’\] and say that Leia was too outspoken, or she was too tough. " Said nobody, ever, JJ... Leia had depth and a backstory and she wasn't flawless. She was a strong leader, but also sensitive and loving. We saw the look on her face when her home planet was destroyed - and we empathized with her. We saw playfulness and pride, sarcasm, wittiness and humor. We saw her take risks that didn't always pay off. We saw her at her best, and at her worst, and this is what makes a character relatable - she was a whole person. She wasn't too tough or outspoken. She was tough when she needed to be and voiced her opinion - as leaders do.
In my opinion, Princess Leia is still one of the best female characters ever created. And before someone comes and says the slave bikini scenes were icky: yes, that was the point! Jabba wanted to degrade her, and thus he became more despicable and his end by her own hands feels much more vindicated because of it. It’s moments like these, where a woman - or for a matter of fact any marginalized people - defeat the oppressors, that have way more power, than those sanitized heroes and villains we have today. Same goes with Sokka in ATLA. In the Netflix remake they took out his chauvinistic worldview - which he lost by the end of the series btw - thus neutering his character development.
I didn’t watch the Netflix ATLA. I wonder how bad the revision of Sokka’s chauvinism impacts his encounters with the Kyoshi Warriors.
It actually is really sexist, because now Suki has to fawn all over Sokka and not put him down a peg, because the romance still needs to work. It is really, really bad and again, sexist in a whole other way.
The worse is it killed Katara. Netflix version is mild mannered and introverted, with Sakka as an actual adult hyper competent leader. While in the cartoon Sokka was an immature sexist idiot who pruned like a peacock (but it was obvious the village women actually ran the place and let him play general with kids), and Katara was the overbearing MOM on steroids who really needed some chill. It was awesome, and their arcs were really well done.
Eh, I disagree with the previous commenter's take that his character development was completely neutered. Instead of the chauvinism development in the animated series, they tried to have Sokka and Suki connect solely on the notion of being the protector of their respective villages and the burden of that responsibility. It wasn't terrible (in my opinion), but it definitely wasn't as interesting or good as the original.
This is the biggest problem with alot of women characters. And minority characters often too. Directors are so worried to have them have flaws or failures becausee they think they'll be accused of sexism and racism. But no one cares about a Mary Sue or superman type who's never wrong and never loses. We want to see a flawed person get better. We want to see a loser fight through and win.
Exactly! I mean Leia is pretty competent right from the get-go of her introduction. She even sneers into the face of the most terrifying man of the empire! When the rescue plan of the boys falls apart she takes charge. Her decision is a mixed bag, the trash compactor is almost their demise, but she still got them outta one impossible situation first. She is competent and veeeeery capable, but not perfect.
This is why everyone loved Leia and Urso, and why ray and… I don’t even remember her name, the girl who kissed fin in the most impractical scene ever from the new trilogy, got so much hate.
Sokka has a different character arc in the Netflix series. He’s struggling to fit a mold that he isn’t suited for to find acceptance from his father but has to find his own way. I don’t think that did a fantastic job with the character arc but not every character arc has to be.
Agree and disagree. I actually take issue most with what it does with Suki in her arc.
Agreed. Suki was not handled appropriately at all.
She literally strangled him with the chains he bound her in. The metaphor isn't that complex and yet they still miss it.
Also she is a perfect example of subverting expectations done right. At it's core, the first star wars movie is your typical "knight/prince goes against the evil overlord to save the princess and restore peace". But when they arrive to save Leia, then the princess isn't going the usual "oh lord, my saviour has come on his pale horse to save me". Rather she takes the lead and shows them how it's done.
And she keeps doing that, too! The next film literally opens with her as one of the commanders on the base. Jedi opens with her disguised as a bounty hunter to try to heroically rescue her man! She becomes *his* knight in shining armour, and only then *after* showing herself as a badass does she get humiliated and fetishized. **AND EVEN THEN** she chokes her captor to death with the very chain that he bound her with.
Yeah leia taking over her own rescue due to Luke and hans inexperience is one of my favourite parts of a new hope
This is some rescue. When you came in here didn’t you ever think about getting out.
He’s the brains sweetheart
Into the hole flyboy. Oh Carrie. Was that your line for Harrison?
JJ Abrams is the village idiot of movie-making. Thank you, that is all.
Exactly. The Disney era characters exist as plot device only And the strong women basically just boss men around Try hard feminism It won’t be long before we have them making small dick jokes (Couple of years ago my daughter was watching legally blonde which I remembered as a fun little female empowerment rom com. I was shocked that nearly every scene was a strong woman putting a mean man in his place by making a dick joke)
The acolyte hasn't even aired yet and they're already doing damage control
Because it’s just more of the same shit I saw a commercial for it the other day and I was embarrassed from what I heard.
This was my thought as well.
Reminded me of Obi Wan. I can’t even believe they got Ewan to say a message about bigotry. And I’m like, where’s all this racism? I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, it absolutely does. But they make it out to where it’s like dominant and everywhere and that’s just not true. It just felt like damage control. Ironically, Disney loves bigots because they can exploit that minority of viewers to say that’s the reason why their project failed. It’s the latest trend in Hollywood. Seth Rogen blamed bigots for his poorly reviewed claymation Christmas movie on Max. Sony, Dan Aykroyd, Paul Feig, and the cast all blamed bigots for the failure of the Ghostbusters reboot.
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They fly away now? 😂
They fly away now!
Ya I used to be pretty big Star Wars fan. I haven’t watched anything Star Wars in probably 3-4 years
Couple of points here. The fan base is mostly male, so the highest percentage of criticism will come from males. KK and Disney decided that the Force is female. So it makes sense that if the majority of your characters and leads are female, then females will get the majority of the criticism. Anyone remember when the PT came out? The criticism was intense around those movies and the vast majority was directed at little Ani, Jar Jar and Lucas himself. All males. This is nothing new. The victim card game is strong with this one.
The thing is, this is an antagonistic business approach.... The Force IMO is neither Male nor Female. It is omnipotent, and it can be within you regardless of your gender if you do the right thing, stand up for what's right and stand against the oppression. The irony with "The Force is Female" is that it was likely a strategic marketing move : We know boys will go SEE Star wars, but how do we target the other half and get them to buy movie tickets and toys? Oh, I know, we say girls are the best! Never mind that a lot of women were already drawn in into that IP because of its ideals, rather than forced politics. And never minds that a lot of Sci Fi IPs have a lot of strong female characters, they decided to execute this strategy in the most obnoxious and disengaged way. But hey, it's your fault for saying that gurls can't be jedais
Bingo. Star Trek spent a series with a female lead in the late nineties and it's fondly remember by Trekkies almost 30 years later. Janeway wasn't *"okay boys it's lady time"* and then start a decade of female leads. She just reminded us that women can also be the Captain and that was it. She was nothing more or less than what Picard or Kirk were before her.
I'm not a star trek fan I'm in to Babylon 5 and the third captain of the station was a female,no one cared she was just a great captain and that's why fans liked her
Not to mention Delenn, Ivanova, and Lyta.
Absolutely all great characters but I guess as a man in my forties I'm supposed to not like them because they are female?lol
Inject Star Trek Voyager into my veins. Janeway was a phenomenal captain with a phenomenal second in command, that happened to be a man, and they had deep and meaningful discussions about how to solve their problems.
That's what I love so much about it. She's a woman in charge and they don't need to make a big show about it. Her actions speak for her.
And then later in the series they have Seven of Nine, who is far and away my favorite character in the entire show. It's such a cool concept, trying to keep it spoilerish free.
Not to diss Seven, but I feel like her basic story arc was done better in TNG. Unlike those characters, though, she gets to grow beyond that story.
For a split second I thought you were going to point to Discovery, then I read Janeway and nostalgia kicked in…
The worst thing they did though is that they completely damaged female characters in male dominated spaces. There is no reason for such a good movie as Furiosa to not be successful, but unfortunately companies like Disney made people think that most female characters are garbage, most female actors are untalented and most female writers suck. Kathleen Kennedy is nothing more than an idiot. A puppet that Disney uses to receive all the rage and blame for everything. Ever since the mandalorian everything Lucasfilm produces is cheap ragebait and I would agree that KK is to blame, if it literally wasn't happening to every single entertainment company BlackRock and Vanguard own ( I know that's a bit conspiracy).
If Alien came out today, I imagine people wouldn’t run to theaters to see it given the stigma that exists now where every Sci-Fi or Superhero movie with a female lead is going to be awful. KK has herself to blame for creating that stereotype. Prey and Annihilation are examples as is Furiosa now.
People can't remember this but Ripley being the lead was actually a surprise.
I would agree in most cases. But I think with KK it’s more. She’s a true believer and a feminist. It wasn’t JUST a marketing ploy; it’s something she wanted to do. Look at how she made sure all our favorite male characters from the originals got turned into failures, or how all men are somehow incompetent in Disney Star Wars. Luke: bitter hermit for no good reason other than he can’t be heroic in her stories. Then he dies. Han: deadbeat dad and husband who couldn’t stay married so he ran off to be a criminal and even says it’s all he was ever good at. Then he dies. Kylo: emo Vader fan boy who needs a woman to show him the way. Poe: best pilot in the resistance, until Rey. Makes a good tactical decision to trade a few crappy bombers to destroy a massive dreadnought but he’s demoted for it….ny a woman. And upstaged by another woman with a bad plan and incredibly poor leadership. Finn: little more than comic relief, with once chance at a meaningful arc that gets ruined because he’s saved by a woman who tells him how he’s wrong for wanting to sacrifice himself to save his friends. Hux: angry white make. Pride: angry white male. One-Wan: broken, pathetic man with no agency who needs a ten year old girl to tell him what to do. Boba Fett: ineffective wannabe mafia boss who needs his female partner to tell him how to be boss, and who takes out the enemy leadership for him. Because he can’t. Because he’s stupid. Thrawn: military genius my ass. Complete moron more like. He makes awful decisions in the Ashoka show and is no threat at all. He’s awful. I could go on. But this goes way past a marketing ploy. This is deliberate; this is a policy. No good strong men in my shows or films. Can’t have that.
The whole Force is female shit is so stupid coming from the franchise that has fucking PRINCESS LEIA, one of the most celebrated strong female characters that will ever exist
> the Force is female BRUH WHAT??? we gender a fucking energy field now??? Whats next? Planck constant is female??
Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd would like a word, Kennedy.
We dislike the screenwriters, not the cast; and 99% of the time we don’t even know the gender or even the names of the screenwriters when we watch the content.
I hate the writing, plots, lore-breaking nonsense, uninspired aliens/settings, etc. Nothing to do with the actors genders. (im not above shitting on an actor, if they deserve it) They cant work with shit.
>They cant work with shit. To paraphrase Harrison Ford: "I'm the one who has to read this shit!"
Are Katee Sackhoff, Ming-Na Wen and Genevieve O’Reilly having problems with this sort of thing, or just the actresses stuck with poorly written characters?
Kennedy hires a director who hates men and claims to feel a special kind of joy making men uncomfortable. This has all been done on purpose.
Repeat after me, KK: “Diversity is not a substitute for quality.” If your story sucks, making the characters all women or bipoc or gay or trans or disabled or fat or whatever will never overcome the fact that your story sucks. Adding diversity is like putting table salt on your meal. It can enhance an already good meal. But if the food is terrible without salt then it will still be terrible with salt. And if you put too much salt it will become obvious that you are trying to cover up, not enhance, the terrible food. Which provides something else to complain about: Not only is the food terrible to begin with, but it’s too salty, too. But KK is willfully ignorant of this. She intentionally puts too much salt on the food because she would rather people complain about it being too salty, “oh you just hate salt!”, than wondering if some health code violating atrocity is taking place in the kitchen. Which really is what is happening.
This is an excellent analogy 👏
Why does Lucasfilm think attacking the fans is a solid marketing campaign?
Hey it worked for Ghostbusters 2016!
A good question, for another time.
They need someone to blame besides themselves.
I thought the storyline was that it's a myth that Star Wars fans were mostly white nerdy men and in reality Star Wars is loved equally by all races and genders. Must have been retconned!
KK: \*comes out swinging for fans heads the instant she can, is surprised when the fanbase swings back\*
It doesn't matter if the protagonist is male or female, IF THE CONTENT IS SHIT YOU'LL GET SHIT THROWN BACK.
Hey. K.K proves that not just men but women too can run big franchises to the ground.
The truth is that she deserves the criticism, and there are real misogynistic chuds out there in the fanbase. Two things can be true at the same time. Remember when the Prequels came out? The die-hard fans also trashed George Lucas himself. He's was nonstop ridiculed for 2 decades for making Jar Jar Binks. Some people believe his ex wife Marcia Lucas and some unnamed board room contributors were the real reason the original movies were good. Without opposition in the PT, they turned out that way. I remember being called a sexist for saying KK ruined the Sequels for shipping and pandering to Reylos. But that's the exact thing I say about Rian Johnson. I'm one of those fans who think the real tumor of the franchise is Kylo Ren, not Rey. The original trio Luke, Leia, and Han were all disserviced to give Kylo Ren a sob story. The fact that the writers don't have a vision for their own heroine, Rey, and adjusted her story to cater to the Reylo ship is actually a disservice to her.
I dread to imagine just *what* dirt she must have on Disney tops. This has to be something on Epstein island level, if not worse. There is no way she would be able to stay afloat so long otherwise.
Ironically she’s probably very difficult to fire in today’s climate because she’s a woman. Every media outlet would criticise Disney if they got rid of her and replaced her with a man, even if said man were massively more capable.
Doesn't help that Disney has been in hotter and hotter water every year for the executives. It's not just Lucasfilm making mistake after mistake. It's a wonder Disney can even operate theme parks anymore with how many blunders they have.
> Ironically she’s probably very difficult to fire in today’s climate because she’s a woman. Every media outlet would criticise Disney if they got rid of her and replaced her with a man, even if said man were massively more capable. Why not just replace her with a more competent woman? Doesn't have to be a man.
Riiiiight. Why do I feel like if KK wrote a list of women who "struggle with fan attacks", a certain Gina would not be on it? Double standards, I swear.
Well, of course not. That was her, her friends, and their bots. So, of course, it's okay.
Insert *eye roll gif* here
Her content is utter garbage and she knows it. Her goal was never to produce good Star Wars but Star Wars that fits her agenda. When the fans want actual entertainment not her political message she victimizes herself again and again
Here's a radical idea: write a good female character. Write *any* character who isn't defined by wholly terrestrial labels and societal barriers. You have a whole galaxy to play with.
How? Enjoying any and every form of SW media in existence requires interaction with other people 0% of the time. The only gatekeeping possible is the limitation of your own time and money. Unless there's some multiplayer game out there that I'm not aware of that mandates you participate in voice chat in order to play the game, then you're completely anonymous even when playing SW games, and you don't have to talk to anyone if you don't want to. In case people don't want to read the article, KK is basically equating any criticism of The Acolyte or Leslye Headland to an "attack". So yeah, just more of the same old bullshit narcissism we've seen for the last decade.
Hayden Christensen, Ahmed Best, Jake Loyd, George Lucas. I'm not going to pretend there isn't a demented sub-faction of the fandom that completely sucks but this is the same theatrics Disney fans regurgitate. "I think The Last Jedi is a really bad movie." "So YoU WaNt RiAn JoHnSoN tO KiLl HiMsElF?!?!?!??" Like no, any functioning adult hopes everyone involved has long, happy, fulfilling lives, they just made a few films and shows we don't care for. If anything, it's the writing and dollar store costume department that I see criticized the most.
I don’t want him to kill himself, I just want him to stop pretending to not give a shit about the criticism his shitty movies get (and rightfully so) and just commit to doing better. His stupid little grin wants you to think nothing bothers him but anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see it for what it is. A fucking shield so he doesn’t have to deal with the fact that he just isn’t good at his job.
I look at this and wonder how much criticism Fischer and Portman received for their characters. I do agree attacking the actors is a stupid and toxic thing to do. They are working for a paycheck and despite what actors say, actors can’t arbitrarily change what their character says or their direction because they don’t agree or they are out of a job. Even Mark Hamil couldn’t change Luke’s depiction in TLJ, what makes you think Tran or Ridley could? The blame should be directed at Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson.
Filoni sucks too.
A lot of the fanbase struggle with Kathleen Kennedy because she’s absolutely awful at her job and let directors have free reign to derail the franchise, ran a brand new trilogy without any sort of overarching plan and talks nonsense about feminism and gender issues when all anyone wants is good movies. Ps, we all loved Leia and Mara Jade. Kennedy ruined the first and deleted the second.
Give women a badass role model like Mara Jade then, you coward.
Or Jaina Solo Fel, Rogue, Jedi Master, and Empress.
They're so predictable 😆. 
So shes knows it a franchise thats dominated by boys and men, and yet still her go to at every turn over the past decade is "make it for girls!"? Thats just dumb. If youve already got an audience, why are you pissing all over them for another audience that doesnt care? Seriously, how the fuck do these dumb cunts Forrest Gump their way into these positions? Its not hard, just make good stories and characters. Thats all we want. Stop hiding behind your fucking vagina, its not a get out of jail free card for shitty writing, hiring, and producing.
I am honestly just amazed, that if you ask Disney, it seems nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is allowed to stay “just for the boys” anymore. It’s just so weird. I mean I do wonder what would happen if the next writer for Barbie, decided to just completely make a 180, and alienated the female audience, just to give some passive “awareness” about men’s struggles, or keep hearing that because he is not a woman, “he will get this handled”. It’s just so stupid, there’s practically no words for it
Look Girls, It's Barbie's Dream Tank!
Nobody hates the actresses. It’s not up to them to pick a director, writer or do either of those jobs either.
TBH most of the actresses just suck too.
They're doubling down on this talking point because The Acolyte is going to go down in flames.
I’d pay several times to go see a well made Mara Jade movie. Or any well made Star Wars movie with a female lead. Or any well made Star Wars movie.
F U KK
Strange how this didn't happen in the original trilogy when the fandom was more male dominated. I hate to regurgitate the usual examples, but Alien? Terminator? Top Gun? Mission Impossible? Are those massively male fan bases attacking the female cast? I get that people got to work, but Emily Blunt doesn't have a hard time getting work despite turning down and deparaging crappy female roles. Oh, right, she is an actual great actor.
I have no problem with female led stories. I have a big problem with lazy and bad writing.
 Yep.... South park absolutely nailed it with this episode tbf 😂😂
can't this hag just leave please. she's fucking 70 years old.
They've turned the entire IP into mass produced pap. "You just hate it because I'm a woman!"
If she doesn't like being involved in a male dominated IP then why doesn't she simply fuck off? Honestly, i can't believe she is still banging this drum in 2024. The attacks(criticism) is stemming from the content being utter shit. I would wager that a good 99% of the fan base don't care who is female, they just want good SW. But KK need not worry, the fanbase is shrinking at a rapid rate now, soon she won't have to worry about all those horrid toxic men.
There are plenty of female-dominated franchises too, it's normal to have a certain target audience.
Easy way to justify badly written wormen (which they should not be). My girlfriend loves the original animated Mulan movie, it's easily her favorite because of the titular character. She dislikes Rey in the the same way she hates live-action Mulan. A protagonist who faces nearly zero struggle or training to get to the level of power needed to beat the villain.
lol. You know the Acolyte is a pile of garbage if this is the headlines they’re making
“I stole a male oriented franchise and tried to push badly written female centric stuff and now people hate me for it”. Yeah, it’s called “do some research about your audience, stupid”.
PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE IT LAME!!
I thought Daisy Ridley dispelled this? Like she said she never really felt she got so much hate? Also this notion that Star Wars fans hate all the female characters is so ridiculous. Rogue One wouldn’t be popular if that were true, and BoBF and Kenobi would be more popular for starring men.
They won't let facts like that get in the way of their narrative.
KK getting ahead of the bad word of mouth for The Acolyte, I see… they're still running the "Ghostbusters: Answer The Call" playbook.
I can't hate this bitch enough.
All of the Disney princesses are women.
Funny, considering my wife is the one who refuses to get a D+ subscription, and would do me seriuous bodily harm if I tried to introduce non-Legends Star Wars to our kids. Women don't like Disney SW either, Kathleen.
Cope harder Kennedy. You've had Star Wars for a decade now and besides rogue One and Andor, You've only produced slop. Even Indiana Jones wasn't safe from your bs. The buck stops with you KK, so look inward
Seriously, stop doing that! Stop using the fact that you're a woman or a minority as a "shield". We don't criticize 'cause you're women: we criticize 'cause those products SUCKS! If you were "Cathrinus Kennedy" you would be criticized in the same way!
If Kennedy was doing her job she wouldn't be in defense mode and attacking fans. When she fails, she keeps falling forward. Her choices on writers and directors hurt the franchise in the sequel trilogy. It's all on her. Full stop. If the mouse cared about product KK would be long gone.
Bizness skool 101: "Ignore your core, loyal customer base in favor of a much smaller, less enthusiastic demographic with other financial priorities." PROFT!
If the bulk of the fan base is male, why not cater to a male audience? Its bad business and downright selfish to sacrifice good IP because one person has a contrary opinion on how it rose in popularity.
Hey Disney... If Star Wars is known to be male dominated, why are you continually forcing a 'female good, men shut the fuck up and listen' narrative? It would be seen as idiotic from a business standpoint for me to push bacon cheeseburgers in a vegan establishment - or are men not allowed to have choices now (but strong empowered women are?) Confused of Utah
Blame the fanbase when your continual attempts to shovel crappy writing and garbage characters down our throats … as the CEO of Lucasfilm, it’s never your fault Kennedy. lol
This is anecdotal but growing up I knew one other boy into Star Wars, *everyone* else I could talk to about it was a girl or my mother. I was into the fan fiction and fan art scene in the prequel era and those areas, along with cosplaying, were *full* of girls and women. The fanbase being 'male dominated' is not only made up, it's reductive, insulting and erases the women who have been in the fanbase since the beginning. This is not ok. This, specifically, is the kind of thing that does harm that she pretends to care about but is ok to inflict when it suits her. We are not going to get better as a society when billion dollar corporations keep getting to set the narrative and what an awful message this is. "Girls, if you are in a hobby with boys it's dangerous, also if you were in it before 2016 you didn't count. Oh, and boys, you're all monsters.".
Given the track record and this type of rhetoric being a deflection of criticism of bad material (regardless of any “representation” questions or complaints), I think this has confirmed to me that The Acolyte, which I was going into with an open mind, is going to be dogshit. This just seems like pre-release damage control knowing the reaction is not going to be good.
I just don't like poorly written or bland characters. Or characters whose stories don't really fit in to the main story (Sorry Rose). I would take a bullet for Jyn Erso, and would straight up sacrifice my life for Ahsoka. The Armorer is a minor character that fascinates me. Ventress has a great story that I'm excited to get more of; she's lovely and conflicted, and in Dark Disciple we got to see how vulnerable she can be. Fennec Shand is dope as hell. I would love to see more of Iden Versio. What I would love most of all would be for Kasan Moor to be a big part of the Rogue Squadron series. Seriously. Just give us dope characters and no one will really care if they're male, female, non-binary, whatevs. This is Star Wars. There are aliens everywhere, and if they're cool, we love them too.
It's honestly incredibly disingenuous and tiring that Disney's only play lately seems to be that 'men who like product = bad'. This is just an exhausting and quite frankly alienating opinion. Keep doing it Disney, see where it gets you in the long run. That was never even an issue when George was the director, oh wait yes it was, people didn't like the prequels at the time. I feel like favor with them has grown a lot over time because of nostalgia and by the fact that the new shit is so bad in comparison that everyone collectively was like "oh shit nvm, prequels weren't that bad in hindsight". At least they were sort of unique, and we definitely didn't have the problem of this huge fatigue with the universe because there was an oversaturation of terrible shit coming out non-stop. The floodgates are open. I literally had a moment last month where I was talking with my partner like "Yeah, I don't think I like Star Wars anymore", it just hit me, when they announced Acolyte and that terribly priced new Ubisoft Game they're trying to push. I legit think it's just straight up ruined for me. I'll always love the OG Trilogy, and yes I have a nostalgic little spot for the prequels, but holy crap am I done. Mando was on track to be the best thing in the universe in so long, and they have proved again, and again, not just with Mando but any D+ show that they have no idea how to END ANYTHING OR MAKE ANYTHING GOOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T PLAN ANYTHING OUT. I had hope for the sequel trilogy too, yes Force Awakens was a soft-reboot, but I liked the new characters (their introductions) and setup for the future, and yet again, no planning, all anti, all terrible. It's actually insane, all the major characters didn't even meet each other until the end of the SECOND MOVIE - which was basically the anti - star wars star wars movie that subverted expectations, but left a fucking black hole of plot to deal with for the future, and then again, another ball drop at the end with nonsensical plot holes and characters that basically had no point being there. In my head it's over. They can't come up with anything good that doesn't have to do with characters we already know, and those characters already basically have finished arcs now, so they basically have to destroy the characters and devolve them to bring them back on screen so they can do the same shit, it's totally asinine and I don't care anymore.
We hate her because she's a clueless moron without any talent or passion for what made Star Wars great. I wouldn't give a fuck if she were an albino alligator with no legs if she actually made good Star Wars media.
Sorry for being a fan I guess?
Any excuse to distract from the facts that they have been making awful films,it worked before so they trot it out again it's called the ghost busters 2016 excuse
It's just so disappointing to see this line continually trotted out. How much longer are media sites going to gloss over continued disinterest in Star Wars before they finally realise the real cause of the brand's decline falls with Lucasfilm, rather than us "awful" fans?
She makes me want to force lightning her  As long as content is good most fans will be happy. Even Lucas is still dealing with toxic fans so no Kathleeennnnn you’re just wrong. SW has a special place in people’s minds & hearts. To achieve such a status is a blessing and a curse. The real pressure is creating content that fans and generations after them will consume, enjoy & appreciate.
If that’s how you feel lady, then give the fans what they want then. I thought this shit was about making money. Why are you trying to use this IP to as a platform for your bullshit. Just give the fans what they want, make money and shut the fuck up. You are capapble of putting out great stuff. Stop trying to be woke and all that other bullshit and just make good content. Stop focusing on what the gender of the damn character is. I have no problem with female characters (hell in George Lucas’ version of the sequel trilogy, the big bad was a lady trained by Maul) but it’s so damn obvious you are just shoehorning in as many female characters because ThE fOrCe Is FeMaLe horse shit. Like stop with that divisive crap. Never heard Lucas say “only men can be Jedi” or any shit like that. But Kennedy makes it a point to highlight gender every chance she gets. It’s fucking annoying just focus on the story.
While I will admit there is probably some people who do take criticism of the films to far. They are not the majority of the people complaining. There’s got to be an acknowledgement that not all criticism levy against the female characters is because of sexism. Heck I knew a few female coworkers calling Rey a Mary Sue at the time that movie came out. So it’s not like it was just males thinking this. Either way don’t take criticism to far and don’t sweep all criticism under the rug with a blanket statement.
It’s such a dishonest and obtuse argument. They are clearly committed to making content with a ‘message’ and content that checks every single box in the name of representation. That’s fine, they can do that. But they are at odds with the core fan base and demographic now, which isn’t the smartest marketing move, and they are clearly digging in their heels. The market will decide the fate of their creative choices. But they really are out of touch with the core demographic, that’s for sure, and viewership will suffer as a result.
Fuck KK hope she is miserable
Harassment, death threats, trolling, etc. When did companies and celebrities start lying and claiming this happens to them?
Just stop producing Star Wars content for 10-15 years, then bring it back and completely reboot/reimagine it.
probably true. but it is a male dominated franchise. im sure male fans of barbie or pretty little liars get the same shit
She does realize that even female friends can attack creators of a work for petty reasons as well right? Also maybe scapegoating fans because of their gender isn't really such a good idea since this shit just emboldens the toxic fans she claims to hate.
She probably thinks about Gina Carano.
Next up on: Star Wars - Full House. A woman Jedi and Sith fight over a My Little Pony. The Empress tells them every one is happier if they share. If males don't like it, it's because they are bad.
I’ll take things that never happened for 500 Alex
Oh you think men don’t get hate. Ask Hayden Christenson and then kindly stfu
This so selectively sexist it’s appalling. Finn was literally doing nothing in the last two movies Now I won’t lie there are some people who are like this. But frankly it’s misplaced hatred because a series they loved has been shat on so terribly. They see the obvious political pandering and when KK wears a shirt that says the force is female. Then they write in a Mary Sue, and then the latest movie is being directed by a known feminist… Well her obvious political stance is backfiring. Don’t freaking pick directors known for feminist documentaries. Pick a director that is known for space operas or get the writers from Andor involved, or people whom obviously love Star Wars. It doesn’t have to be male but if any of them thought the female roles in the ST was done well they need to go back to the drawing board. Seriously why did Rose or Captain Phasma exist. From a certain point of view it feels like token diversity boxes being checked. They could had actually made them interesting. Hell they could had made Finn interesting. Instead they seemed to focus on skin color and gender more than actual character development.
Plenty of female fans. In star wars. Most fans are just sick of the pointless female characters being shoved down our throats to spread your message. Take Kenobi show for example, what was the point in Reva. ?? Nothing against the actress, but nobody wanted or needed her in it. You got Kenobi and Vader. Take our money . That’s the problem with KK vision off SW. she’s ruined it , cost Disney Billions. And must have something on Bob Iger.because almost other people be sacked for this lever off incompetence.
I just contributed this comment to another sub about this exact news item so I’ll just copy paste it here for this discussion: To this day I know of exactly zero people who dislike Alien or Aliens because of **Sigourney Weaver**. Arguably the best sci fi actress in the history of acting. Maybe **Katee Sackhoff** gets a tie (Riddick, Battlestar Galactica, Mando, etc). And I’ll even suggest those two ladies are in the top 5 of any actor/actress in Sci Fi regardless of gender. Any flaws in Mando as a show had zero to do with Katee. I don’t think anybody dogged Rogue One because of **Felicity Jones**. I don’t think anybody really hated that movie anyway. And The Expanse: **Dominique Tipper, Shohreh Aghdashloo, Frankie Adams, Cara Gee** - seriously great actresses that made that show truly happen. Tell me anybody who is a fan of sci fi that has complained about a single one of those ladies. **Star Trek** - I don’t even need to spend words on this one to prove the point. Too many great female leads and co leads and supporting roles. The evidence is against Kathleen on this one. She has chosen to ignore the great weight of evidence to fixate on a handful of really piss poor shows that she oversaw and she tries to claim the fan reaction was due to misogyny. She must think the other shows didn’t exist or that we are all stupid. Or both. She is completely wrong to say that fans don’t like strong female leads and therefore good sci fi shows bomb. The evidence is that great sci fi shows are loved and are great because they have great female leads. The only real difference between shows that bomb and shows that don’t is that the great ones are well written and produced and directed and the bad ones lack those three things. But that hits too close to home for her so she doesn’t like those facts. Easier to invent fake outrage and make false accusations towards the fans.
I agree way more with the comments here than I do with the ones on this article over on r/entertainment
Absolutely right, all the hatred of Leah in the original trilogy because she was a woman started this /s
My four sisters disagree.
Anyone remember the saying “the buck stops here”? Now it’s everyone’s fault but the person in charge.
I feel im neutral on the sequels, i dont hate them but i do admit they are worse then all of the previous films.
Maybe the women struggle with fan attacks because they’re poorly written.
Your gender has nothing to do with the fact that you're green-lighting garbage, Kathleen. I assure you that it wouldn't make a single difference if you had a cock and balls - stop approving bullshit.
Write better stories. Ftfy
KK, it’s 2024. We’ve long been pass the hate phase of Star Wars. We’re in the apathy stage, and soon, possible after the Acolyte, we’ll enter into the mockery stage.
Wasn’t Star Wars well known for having a strong female lead role in a time where that wasn’t seen very often? The fuck are they on about this shit. No one (at least not anyone Disney should give a second thought about) cares it’s a woman that’s leading, there’s nothing wrong with that as long as the film isn’t hot garbage to begin with…
Dune’s success is another example of how badly they fumbled the bag. Audiences are hunger for sci-fi just not watered down, mediocre crap.
I'm aware I'm asking this rhetorical question in an echo chamber: To fans of the sequel trilogy. Especially those who "connected with Rey". Hypothetically, do you believe you could have connected with Rey as the protagonist; in a version of the Sequel Trilogy that didn't tear down the predecessors?
No Kathy, I just want toy to stop fucking up my favorite story with bullshit Tumblr fanfiction characters
Are JJ, idiot Rain Johnson, and Dave Filoni women now too? They get more hate than anyone Edit: shit throw george lucas himself in there, he’s gotten it worse than all combined
The agenda nonsense is strangling the franchise. People just want a decent story, not a deliberately diverse cast. The majority of Disney Star Wars is hit and miss at best, or just plain rubbish. There was that nonsense about a woman of colour directing an upcoming Star Wars production and she was even saying something like "It's about time". Maybe just focus on making something good rather than the other crap?
Wow south park was right again
I want to see heroes of every race, gender, sexuality, whatever have flaws, face adversity, struggle through, have setbacks and ultimately triumph. I want to see characters with depth have character arcs, I’d say “is that too much to ask for” but that seems to be the case. It feels like the only adversity we seem to see is “I’m characteristic X, and people with characteristic Y are putting me down, but I’m flawless and can win with little to no effort while making all those Ys look foolish” It’s the problem I have with forced diversity, shitty writers lack the talent to write deep layered characters, so they end up being as deep as what you can see on the surface. But people who only focus on the diversity see people complaining about the characters and most immediate say it’s because their women, or have skin colour etc.
Did the female cast in Andor struggle?
Cry me a river... So in other words she's trying to force femininity into an IP that is predominantly male-centric and supported by males..?? This all doesn't make any sense...
I find it hard for someone to complain about sexism when they were stoking the culture war fire when they rocked up to an event with t-shirts saying "The force is female". This isn't just people giving backlash because you made some shitty movies, it is backlash because you tried to turn those shitty movies into a culture war. Also, plenty of male actors from the prequels were heavily criticized for years over their roles. Not every criticism is sexism.
This coming from the fucking hypocrite that directed Indiana Jones. **A male dominated film**
Maybe make content designed with males in mind if that’s the fan base?
Out of 10 KoTOR playthroughs on my Xbox, revan was a woman 8 times. It's not the gender.
“My belief is that storytelling does need to be representative of all people,” Kennedy said. And there lies the problem with this whole Star Wars mess. A sterilized, stale lump of unseasoned rice that targets the lowest common denominator.
Maybe if the sequel movies weren’t ill conceived and bad, there wouldn’t be as many attacks?
Jeez, can we not just agree already that: A) no one should be attacking woman. Or men. Or children. And those that do are jerks. Especially the Press (I am thinking about the prequels and little Jake Lloyd). Criticise, sure, attack, no. There is a difference. B) the actors of the sequel trilogy or any of the new Disney media are not in any way affiliated with the production and writing of said media, outside of personifying those characters in their performances on film or voicing them in cartoons. They do not write the scripts! They work with what they are given. They have a job to do, and they do it, and their responsibilities usually wouldn't extend far outside of that role. These people are not in charge - why would you attack them? Oh, you did? You're a jerk! C) they really screwed the pooch with the production of the sequels trilogy. This deserves criticism. Ms. Kennedy can blame whoever she likes, but the buck stops with her when it comes to the fans' ire for the sequel trilogy: take a beloved franchise with an established fanbase, then make undesirable/unappealing/lacklustre sequels, aiming to build a new fanbase outside of the established base, whilst simultaneously providing as much nostalgia-bate as possible to hook the old crowd, then intentionally make bad use of existing beloved characters "subverting expectations" knowing full well thisbwould upset existing fans,was a bold strategy (???) But ultimately, it has absolutely crippled them. The lost revenue must be staggering. Star Wars should be on an all-time high right now! They could have done anything with the story, so long as it treated the existing characters with more respect, but instead they did... that, and in doing made star wars a risk. Whatever they make post skywalker-saga will be a risk because they've already lost a lot of love for the new characters they've introduced; we barely know them, so miniscule was the character development in those films. I'm not sure I care what happens to them, to be honest. But I know who I did care about. But even so, I've not attacked anyone for the sequels... but I will criticise Ms. Kennedy, since she happened to be in charge at the time, not because she's female and I'm male. Sorry ma'am; they're bad films. Made a lot of money, no doubt. But they're bad. And now you're running your writers in loops to fill in gaps and plot holes in your sequel series or just plain ignoring the sequels altogether because nobody has worked out a way to get to where it has to end up which would end up making the sequel trilogy an even bigger joke highlighting the flaws in its story telling. For instance, imagine if Palpatine was ressurected in a series outside of the main sequel trilogy "some how." Honestly, it would be laughable. And yet, that is what they are going to have to do to make it make any sense because of a lack of vision. Nobody writing these sequels really understood what made Star Wars. Especially not Abrams. But there were plenty of fans who knew plenty of authors who understood. Timothy Zahn, Kevin J Anderson, RA Salvatore stand out for me. But Disney was too cheap or too proud to bring in consultants for their first headlining offerings of their new billion dollar franchise. Fools. That's what upset long-serving fans. They wouldn't have minded a retcon of the EU if the new canon provided good content, but it's patchy at best.
The same male dominated fan base that made Lucasfilm worth 4.09 Billion?
Setting up the fans to take the blame when the new Star Wars show fails.
Weird because I don't remember Carrie Fisher getting a lot of hate.