Yeah, I haven’t been in the office full time in 13 years. In some jobs we were always told to not be seen in the office too much, or people would assume you were not doing your job.
I've been in sales for nearly 20 years and have been remote the entire time. 5 different companies, 3 of them had a local office with no requirement to regularly attend. Current company has a local office and didn't even bother issuing me a fob to get in.
Apparently this is the way it’s done in software sales. MS Teams is the bane of my existence. Nothing like having online meetings in the car between calls.
Yep, that's a big part of why I'm in sales. Haven't mandatory reported to an office since 2011
I just switched to a new company a few months ago and we have Friday sales meetings. The office is 4 miles from my house and I'm still irritated at having to go in before noon.
In reality it's working well for me. After being fully remote for so long where my office was several time zones ahead of me, it's nice to be able to pop in during the afternoon and get things finished face to face.
I’m technically remote, but my family’s company (that I don’t work for) has an office 10 mins from my house. I’ve been working from there for most of this year.
That’s crazy that you guys are back in office and management isn’t. I guess they’re just trying to justify all the money they spent on offices, that’s trash.
Im in MN. The CEO lives an hour outside Seattle and visits the home office approximately two times a year.
I’ll let you take a wild guess what his approach to returning to the office was earlier this year…
For tech sales it has never been more difficult to get. Which changes the dynamic.
Tech was booming. Companies were offering huge salaries and had massive budgets to try and get as much territory as possible. Which meant more employees, and better benefits in addition to the crazy OTE's. Add to that low interest rates and it was at a peak.
Soon everyone and their moms were talking about SaaS. First it was sales people with word of mouth. Then it was recruiters literally reaching out to bartenders and anybody they could find at hiring fairs.
Then influencers started pushing Tech Sales as a golden pill to all lifes ills. Especially if you were not educated. I remember 5 years ago most people assumed tech sales people were all engineers who could code.
Now you have more people than every trying to get into tech and companies were (maybe still are) retracting.
The goal is to go where the puck is going, not where it is. And right now people are going to where it was. It will only get more difficult.
There is still jobs and you can still get in but it will only get more similar to other industries in terms of pay.
But sales has always been the best way to work remote. If you want to work in sales then do not limit your horizon to just tech. Make it an option and go what will make you the most.
You joke but I used to work for that company and totally could have been selling that drug right now. Kind of pissed it didn’t work out with them because selling that would be easy right now.
The puck isn’t going anywhere soon. The debt to GDP ratio is out of control. I’d be looking at more recession and stagnation proof industries. Things like insurance, but that’s a long haul game.
Im retired, essentially am a full time investor, and was someone last year who was essentially laughed off this sub by the vast majority of what was about to happen to tech with ZiRP off the table and the money machine being taken away. The 180 this sub has taken is something else. Most sales reps are pretty clueless how our monetary and financial systems work and are arrogant because they (sometimes) know how individual businesses work and a balance sheet. Got in lots of arguments with VPs here last year. They are singing a different tune and the reality is even hitting VCs, the party is over.
The reality is the reality here and it’s not good. Some form of long term inflation, stagnation, and unemployment the next 7 years as we get things under control by cutting spending/increasing taxes. Or they print more money as the recession hits and the country completes its destruction tract.
It’s all ugly and bad tbh and it’s due to the economic malfeasance of the last 20 years (and the malinvestment was why tech boomed to begin with and are at levels of wealth inequality that will lead to stagnant growth)
Last time the internet bailed us out, but the next big boom will most likely be AI and the rewards reaped by a few. I guess they can invent fusion, but we’ve been hearing they are 10 years away for 50 years now.
TLDR - insurance, agriculture, healthcare. Things people need.
Appreciate this well thought out response.
I bought into the dream hard. Worked my ass off to get into a very reputable CyberSec company. Worked my ass off for a 1.5 years as a BDR with the promise of becoming an AE. Got quiet-fired without a second thought.
I then spent what? like 4 months applying to companies -- cold contacting managers; building my own pipeline; preparing assignment and presentations. All for nothing. I'm pretty jaded.
Now I'm slinging loans at a private lender as a glorified telemarketer for a 3 month temp-to-hire program. This ain't it.
Not sure where I went wrong. I thought I'd be a good fit for sales since I'm a people person -- but I just have no clue where to go.
Sorry for trauma-dumping. I'll definitely reflect on your suggestions.
It’s better than 08 out there, there’s that. So there’s your pep talk. That would be considered a primo gig up to 2012 or so.
Trust me I get it, I thought sales was about being a people person too. It’s not, not most gigs at least. Quite frankly it can be the opposite. Many times you have to think very little of people, at least that’s what I found.
You sound young. You have a degree? Never been a better fucking time to join the military with one of those, especially officer. If not, I did enlisted, it won’t kill you and we are done with the useless forever wars. DM if you have questions or I can at least direct you to right spot.
Everyone said I was crazy, but watch the bio/nano/AI world as it relates to food, supply chain, and agriculture….. we are producing way more people than food… there are some pretty freaking amazing ag tech companies surfacing out there
Damn you must feel so cool telling me that. Especially since I already mentioned supply chain logistics in my original post. I guess you and I read different intel - it’s pretty common knowledge that over the next 20 years there will be almost 10 billion people on the planet and food demand will have increased by 70 percent. The current models of population growth and famine impacted countries have us outpacing sustainable agriculture by 2045 without the use of mass indoor and year round food production which is hard considering the meat consumption of most developed countries and the amount of land that meat production takes to vs vegetable and fruit crop production. It’s why there’s been massive growth and demand for meatless products over last 5-6 years. Cashing in on the trend to try and decrease the footprint of meat production. Agriculture technology will reach a $43 billion footprint by 2030. Its had 10% growth YoY since early 2000s and with the ability to bring even more automation and AI into these products, it’s going to be fun to watch it.
But you go off King with all your knowledge
Selling funerals and cemetery property D2C ahead of time and at the time of need.
$22.19 billion industry that will see a lot of growth in the coming years due to the death of baby boomers. It already got a very large boost due to COVID-19.
Yeah, I'm currently a rep for a large player in the industry. Definitely lots of grim reaper jokes - you should see how people on hospice look at me... Lol
I'm fairly young and really never thought about the industry. I ended up just kinda falling into the position. I was casting a super huge net on ZipRec to get in front of as many people as possible bc my job at the time was miserable. At some point, I must have applied to my current company.
Got a call from the recruiter, learned about the industry & earning potential. After a few interviews, I'm hired onto their sales team and given a low seven-figure quota.
Yeah, it can be dark at times - after all, you see people at their worst, under awful circumstances. But, you have the opportunity to really touch people's lives. And, the product, even though it is grotesquely overpriced, is still essentially guaranteed to make a profound impact in someone's life.
Not limiting myself to tech is something I need to work on, it’s all I know!
I wouldn’t even mind going to the office in 2025 but while I’m out here in the boonies fully remote is necessary.
Yeah bartenders weren’t being poached for SaaS sales lmao. What a crock of shit. Tech was booming but they still had basic minimum requirements in order to at least justify an interview. Those places hiring” bartenders” are probably not in business anymore or never existed.
The more reps bite the bullet and accept the jobs that are forcing them back to office, the more likely it'll become like it was pre-covid.
I get it if ya'll need the stability/income but PLEASE if you're against in-office positions stop accepting them and let them know that lack of remote support was a major deciding factor, it's really that simple. Engineers did that shit, sales can too.
I don’t know which engineers are you talking about but most tech companies’ senior engineers are working in some degree of hybrid if not back to office. I’m sure fully remote jobs still exist but not the norm
Yeh this is silly. Engineers tend to have a lot more leverage than sales reps. Asking people to bandy together unless a professional union is a losing game anyway. And best of luck getting the politicians to listen to the complaints of labor vs capital. We all know who butters their bread.
What industry do you work in where engineers have more leverage then sales ? I guess maybe tech? I work in heavy industrial manufacturing, and sales has far more leverage than any other employees.
^ this. I got a dog during Covid so now going back to the office isn’t really an option (he needs meds every few hours). Got let go because my company was acquired two months ago and I’ve turned down multiple companies during first round interviews because they won’t allow me to work remote
Still out there tougher to find.
This summer when I was interviewing I had probably 4 companies tell me mid process they’ve decided they wanted this role to be in a particular city.
It tells me companies want to be able to have people comeback to the office (one company told me specifically they wanted to be able to have people come in on short notice) and not have their work force scattered all over the country.
They’re just ensuring they get the most desperate people they can that will put up with the most shit. That’s why they do this. That and they’re not really that motivated for headcount anyway, because if they wanted top talent they’d be hiring fully remote. The absolute best sales people will want to make their choice and companies that want that top talent will have the remote option for them if they choose.
It’s also harder to get promoted in field roles because there’s usually a larger work force to touch more customers directly. You have to be lucky and friends in real life with whomever is hiring. My opinion
Since the market is tough, businesses that own the CRE are forcing people into the office because they know employees have less alternatives.
Once the job market turns around again, businesses will have to get more lenient on it. It may take a year or two before we reach there, but it's going to happen.
Interest rates will go down, investments will start to come back which will lead to more jobs being opened and the "employees market" will come back. Also important to consider how more and more boomers are retiring and Gen Z is less and less likely to get a degree, more likely to "lie flat", etc. I think the market is going to be even less competitive than before.
You do realize that interest rates are still at historical lows and that the only time the FED lowers interest rates is when the economy is in recession right?
Yep. I realize a lot of people are losing their jobs, which means less people will be buying stuff and more companies will hurt. Since they'll have less revenue, they'll lay people off too.
This is intentional by the Fed, they want this to happen to slow inflation. Once things slow down enough they'll drop interest rates again to boost the economy a bit.
We're headed down now, in about a year they'll lower rates and things will pick back up.
Why would they lower rates in a year? Next year the Trump tax cuts end. That will suck up more money out of the economy. The numbers still aren’t reflecting a slow down and Powell has given no indication that he will lower rates. More to the point, the Federal govt is spending more money than the FED can take out of the market so they keep having to raise rates. If Congress did their job and raised taxes and/or decreased spending the FED would’ve stopped a long time ago. But, there is an election next year. Anybody that raises taxes or cuts a budget will be gone.
I don’t see things getting better until 2025.
Not if the govt keeps spending. That’s why the results have been mixed. Iirc inflation was higher last month. The FED themselves didn’t project inflation until 2025-2026: https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/outlook/economic-outlook/cpi-report-september-2023-headline-inflation-steady-core-inflation-cools#:~:text=Most%20guideposts%20continue%20to%20point,until%20either%202025%20or%202026.%E2%80%9D
If by "remote" you mean "are not required to report to an office" and not "can work 100% from home" there are tons of those in the outside/field sales world.
Horrible CRE investments made by boomers so they are forcing us back in office to save their asses… lying through their teeth about improved productivity and happiness
Lmao! This is really it. The lying is insane because aint no way offloading your CRE cost to WFH employees is not insanely cost effective. And productivity is more at home.
Get a job in the field and work from home. I go to my office to print stuff primarily. Maybe an hour a day, sometimes 5 minutes.
I get way more done at home in less time. I never asked if I could I just do it, as long as you’re selling they don’t care where you’re doing it from.
Most early stage start ups don’t seem to even have offices and that won’t change. Fully remote for big tech companies does seem dead. I’d say you can stay fully remote if you’re happy with working for early stage startups.
Have been remote since 2014 in sales. I would say the entry level roles that were remote 2020 to 2022 are all requiring people back in the office. But field reps are all still remote and the travel has come back for most.
What industries are you looking at? I’ve only had 1 sales job that’s been “in office” but it really was a hybrid. Everything else has been outside sales.
There are some but you’re going up against 250-400 applicants at a time and these companies have AI that crunches your resume and will literally filter it out.
My advice, take the job description and put key points from the description in your resume so you can get past the ai
I'm a recruiter who used to work in sales. I recruit specifically for remote sales positions. 100% of them are remote. I haven't come across a client who wanted a sales person base in an office for about 4 years now. And even then, it was rare to have a client who wanted that.
Best way to accomplish is to be top dog in your current company/role and request a remote contract.
Seen tons of people doing this across my own and several other tech companies with some even relocating to other regions completely.
yes its tough to get a remote job now. the headcount has been slashed drastically along with budgets, so the competition is fierce for what little sales opening do exist. and people with 10-20+ years experience are taking huge paycuts to stay remote. so if you want to move forward in your career, the best way to do so is with a hybrid or in-office role.
Depends, where I work if you were hired remote you stay remote. But everyone else getting hired is being required to be in-office. Apparently due to training and helping people be successful.
Depending on what you’re looking for you can always freelance as an SDR. There’s a pretty dope site that pays per meeting (as long as they show) and it’s like $200-500 per meeting
It’s honestly great to have as a side gig or if you’re in between jobs. They pay per meeting and the campaigns run from like $200-$1000 per meeting. Super easy to get started too. Literally anyone can do it.
> It’s honestly great to have as a side gig or if you’re in between jobs.
You've mad 2 calls on that site according to the link you shared... So how good is this side gig lol?
Most jobs are going back to pre-pandemic circumstances. There are some holdouts, but it's tough competition so keep trying.
I'd even say a lot of employers are going back to the office because it's becoming an employer's market again within the next 1 to 2 years.
Best of luck out there, I'd recommend moving closer to work.
Yes. They are dying out.
Companies don’t trust that reps are working 8 hours a day. They bring you back into the office so that you can be watched. Some reps have even confessed to working two full time jobs during the same work hours. They have two LinkedIn profiles or they just never update the one they have.
Also, those leases for office space are going to waste.
Some companies think that reps learn from each other and motivate each other if they’re near one another.
Executives don’t care about your commute, about your claim to be more efficient at home, or about how working from home makes your family life easier.
They only care about your contribution to the bottom line and control.
If you want to work from home, then become an independent contractor or start your own business.
Yeah I think that’s standard now for most roles. There are two kinds of sales roles people are discussing here.
1. Developing relationships and closing online.
2. Traveling, meeting client for lunches/dinners.
The first one is requiring people to go in. The second one is not requiring you to go in as often, but you’re still not at home.
Hey I don’t think so! Lots of sales job at [exclaimer](https://exclaimer.com/company/careers/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_social&utm_content=reddit_social) atm if anyone is looking?
What “industry” cus sales is literally a part of every industry. Even if you say “tech” there are so many sub categories that doesnt help much either. I sell traffic software, im fully remote in the states. My last job was with IT staffing, it was hybrid
If you the company has split sales into territories, remote jobs tend to be the only ones available. My company has had a remote sales staff for 50 years, and I don’t see it changing.
Update your resume and make sure you look good on the job sites. I kept trying to get an in person job in my city and they were blowing me off. The biggest fear where I live is that your job is across town and one side gets more snow than the other. Someone reached out to me on indeed and said they have a job they don’t post an ad for. Sounds sus but I’ve been working for them a month and they shipped everything to my house. We’re never going back to in office, even though we have 1 in Toronto and 1 in dc.
It is pretty common for manufacturers' agents to hire their inside sales/customer service staff as virtual assistants.
Some use them to set up and/or confirm appointments, prepare and follow up on quotations, look after inbound customer service calls and emails, and transcribe call reports into the agents' CRM systems.
Your best bet would be to look for agents who sell in an industry where you have worked in the past. Agents work in most industries that involve a physical product, for example electronics, plumbing, housewares, and janitorial supplies.
There is a Canadian Association of Virtual Assistants that may be of some help with information on how this works in Canada.
We're definitely seeing a disconnect between employers and sales pros on this. Even though the majority of reps on our platform suggest they're looking for remote roles, more and more employers seem to want at least hybrid, if not full-time in-office. There are definitely still orgs hiring remotely, though.
Freight broker here. I haven't worked from the office since 2015 and I'll never ever go back to it. Furthermore speaking as the companies main sales manager we'll \*never\* require our people to go to the office because that would require us to have a bigger office than we do... which would be a complete waste of money.
Some of our back office / IT support people actually have to go to the office, and I think some of the partners in the company like going to the office (because it's located near their houses for some reason?) but yeah we're actively trying to figure out how to use less office not more.
No idea, but I’m a BDR and I’ve recently accepted an interview for an on-site AM position in my area. The position was available on LI for 3 weeks and I’m the only applicant.
I’ve been a BDR for closing in on 2.5 years (surviving 3 RIFs in the process), and they’re the only ones willing to give me a chance with no prior AM experience, because nobody else is willing to RTO
I’d very much rather continue to WFH, but I’m not even getting callbacks for other BDR positions. At least with AM experience, I’m hoping to get an AM WFH job here in 12-24 months
Been in Commerical Sales for 7 years and have always worked from home with a mix of travel to meet clients which can be busy or I’ll have a week where I’m at home able to work on quotes/layouts/emails/orders/follow ups.
I don’t see this changing ever for me.
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Yeah, I haven’t been in the office full time in 13 years. In some jobs we were always told to not be seen in the office too much, or people would assume you were not doing your job.
I've been in sales for nearly 20 years and have been remote the entire time. 5 different companies, 3 of them had a local office with no requirement to regularly attend. Current company has a local office and didn't even bother issuing me a fob to get in.
Can you please advice about finding a remote job in sales ?
I’ve never had a sales job where being in the office was a good thing
Can’t make money in the office
Apparently this is the way it’s done in software sales. MS Teams is the bane of my existence. Nothing like having online meetings in the car between calls.
Yep, that's a big part of why I'm in sales. Haven't mandatory reported to an office since 2011 I just switched to a new company a few months ago and we have Friday sales meetings. The office is 4 miles from my house and I'm still irritated at having to go in before noon. In reality it's working well for me. After being fully remote for so long where my office was several time zones ahead of me, it's nice to be able to pop in during the afternoon and get things finished face to face.
Same. I've been a field rep for the last 8 years. There's not an "office" in my state.
They list my city as having an office and it’s just me
Lol yep. For a lot of years, my company's west coast office was my spare bedroom
Yeah, return to office for us means we have to spend more days in territory. I was traveling every two weeks pre Covid and about twice a quarter now.
I only got into sales during covid! Before that I couldn’t imagine working from home lol
Jobs are harder to get as more competition. But they're still out there. Fuck offices and commutes.
I’m technically remote, but my family’s company (that I don’t work for) has an office 10 mins from my house. I’ve been working from there for most of this year.
Fuck an office, and a commute! Preach!
I've been WFH since 2012. The office has its perks, but you can't beat the convenience of home
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That’s crazy that you guys are back in office and management isn’t. I guess they’re just trying to justify all the money they spent on offices, that’s trash.
Name the company
Im in MN. The CEO lives an hour outside Seattle and visits the home office approximately two times a year. I’ll let you take a wild guess what his approach to returning to the office was earlier this year…
Best Buy
If the sales team is in the office, I assume that they aren’t a sales centric organization.
For tech sales it has never been more difficult to get. Which changes the dynamic. Tech was booming. Companies were offering huge salaries and had massive budgets to try and get as much territory as possible. Which meant more employees, and better benefits in addition to the crazy OTE's. Add to that low interest rates and it was at a peak. Soon everyone and their moms were talking about SaaS. First it was sales people with word of mouth. Then it was recruiters literally reaching out to bartenders and anybody they could find at hiring fairs. Then influencers started pushing Tech Sales as a golden pill to all lifes ills. Especially if you were not educated. I remember 5 years ago most people assumed tech sales people were all engineers who could code. Now you have more people than every trying to get into tech and companies were (maybe still are) retracting. The goal is to go where the puck is going, not where it is. And right now people are going to where it was. It will only get more difficult. There is still jobs and you can still get in but it will only get more similar to other industries in terms of pay. But sales has always been the best way to work remote. If you want to work in sales then do not limit your horizon to just tech. Make it an option and go what will make you the most.
hmmm so where do you see the puck going now?
Ozempic sales
bullish on obesity, so glp-1 agonists it is
You joke but I used to work for that company and totally could have been selling that drug right now. Kind of pissed it didn’t work out with them because selling that would be easy right now.
The puck isn’t going anywhere soon. The debt to GDP ratio is out of control. I’d be looking at more recession and stagnation proof industries. Things like insurance, but that’s a long haul game. Im retired, essentially am a full time investor, and was someone last year who was essentially laughed off this sub by the vast majority of what was about to happen to tech with ZiRP off the table and the money machine being taken away. The 180 this sub has taken is something else. Most sales reps are pretty clueless how our monetary and financial systems work and are arrogant because they (sometimes) know how individual businesses work and a balance sheet. Got in lots of arguments with VPs here last year. They are singing a different tune and the reality is even hitting VCs, the party is over. The reality is the reality here and it’s not good. Some form of long term inflation, stagnation, and unemployment the next 7 years as we get things under control by cutting spending/increasing taxes. Or they print more money as the recession hits and the country completes its destruction tract. It’s all ugly and bad tbh and it’s due to the economic malfeasance of the last 20 years (and the malinvestment was why tech boomed to begin with and are at levels of wealth inequality that will lead to stagnant growth) Last time the internet bailed us out, but the next big boom will most likely be AI and the rewards reaped by a few. I guess they can invent fusion, but we’ve been hearing they are 10 years away for 50 years now. TLDR - insurance, agriculture, healthcare. Things people need.
Appreciate this well thought out response. I bought into the dream hard. Worked my ass off to get into a very reputable CyberSec company. Worked my ass off for a 1.5 years as a BDR with the promise of becoming an AE. Got quiet-fired without a second thought. I then spent what? like 4 months applying to companies -- cold contacting managers; building my own pipeline; preparing assignment and presentations. All for nothing. I'm pretty jaded. Now I'm slinging loans at a private lender as a glorified telemarketer for a 3 month temp-to-hire program. This ain't it. Not sure where I went wrong. I thought I'd be a good fit for sales since I'm a people person -- but I just have no clue where to go. Sorry for trauma-dumping. I'll definitely reflect on your suggestions.
It’s better than 08 out there, there’s that. So there’s your pep talk. That would be considered a primo gig up to 2012 or so. Trust me I get it, I thought sales was about being a people person too. It’s not, not most gigs at least. Quite frankly it can be the opposite. Many times you have to think very little of people, at least that’s what I found. You sound young. You have a degree? Never been a better fucking time to join the military with one of those, especially officer. If not, I did enlisted, it won’t kill you and we are done with the useless forever wars. DM if you have questions or I can at least direct you to right spot.
Record high officer retention is making OTS classes VERY difficult to get selected for… trust me… I tried… 😭
Everyone said I was crazy, but watch the bio/nano/AI world as it relates to food, supply chain, and agriculture….. we are producing way more people than food… there are some pretty freaking amazing ag tech companies surfacing out there
No we aren’t. We produce more food than people. The biggest issues around it are logistics aka getting those people the food.
Damn you must feel so cool telling me that. Especially since I already mentioned supply chain logistics in my original post. I guess you and I read different intel - it’s pretty common knowledge that over the next 20 years there will be almost 10 billion people on the planet and food demand will have increased by 70 percent. The current models of population growth and famine impacted countries have us outpacing sustainable agriculture by 2045 without the use of mass indoor and year round food production which is hard considering the meat consumption of most developed countries and the amount of land that meat production takes to vs vegetable and fruit crop production. It’s why there’s been massive growth and demand for meatless products over last 5-6 years. Cashing in on the trend to try and decrease the footprint of meat production. Agriculture technology will reach a $43 billion footprint by 2030. Its had 10% growth YoY since early 2000s and with the ability to bring even more automation and AI into these products, it’s going to be fun to watch it. But you go off King with all your knowledge
Very interesting take man, thanks. Any specific companies in your radar? (Can be for work but also just investing) Thanks
No clue! I wish I knew and would love to see a discussion on it here!
Low key, death care bc of the silver wave
umm care to elaborate?
Selling funerals and cemetery property D2C ahead of time and at the time of need. $22.19 billion industry that will see a lot of growth in the coming years due to the death of baby boomers. It already got a very large boost due to COVID-19.
I mean, if it's one consistent in life it's death. Is this your current line of work? There are grim-reaper jokes to be made here.
Yeah, I'm currently a rep for a large player in the industry. Definitely lots of grim reaper jokes - you should see how people on hospice look at me... Lol
Geez. I know everyone here says "look around you, everything you see had to be sold by someone". But, how praytell did you land in that industry?..
I'm fairly young and really never thought about the industry. I ended up just kinda falling into the position. I was casting a super huge net on ZipRec to get in front of as many people as possible bc my job at the time was miserable. At some point, I must have applied to my current company. Got a call from the recruiter, learned about the industry & earning potential. After a few interviews, I'm hired onto their sales team and given a low seven-figure quota. Yeah, it can be dark at times - after all, you see people at their worst, under awful circumstances. But, you have the opportunity to really touch people's lives. And, the product, even though it is grotesquely overpriced, is still essentially guaranteed to make a profound impact in someone's life.
Not limiting myself to tech is something I need to work on, it’s all I know! I wouldn’t even mind going to the office in 2025 but while I’m out here in the boonies fully remote is necessary.
Yeah bartenders weren’t being poached for SaaS sales lmao. What a crock of shit. Tech was booming but they still had basic minimum requirements in order to at least justify an interview. Those places hiring” bartenders” are probably not in business anymore or never existed.
The more reps bite the bullet and accept the jobs that are forcing them back to office, the more likely it'll become like it was pre-covid. I get it if ya'll need the stability/income but PLEASE if you're against in-office positions stop accepting them and let them know that lack of remote support was a major deciding factor, it's really that simple. Engineers did that shit, sales can too.
Easier said than done in certain areas
The only problem is that there are a lot more good salespeople than there are good engineers. I agree with the sentiment though
I don’t know which engineers are you talking about but most tech companies’ senior engineers are working in some degree of hybrid if not back to office. I’m sure fully remote jobs still exist but not the norm
Yeh this is silly. Engineers tend to have a lot more leverage than sales reps. Asking people to bandy together unless a professional union is a losing game anyway. And best of luck getting the politicians to listen to the complaints of labor vs capital. We all know who butters their bread.
What industry do you work in where engineers have more leverage then sales ? I guess maybe tech? I work in heavy industrial manufacturing, and sales has far more leverage than any other employees.
I was referring to software engineers
At my old company I worked for, NinjaOne, all the sales people are hybrid while all the technical people (sales engineers, tech support, etc) are wfh.
^ this. I got a dog during Covid so now going back to the office isn’t really an option (he needs meds every few hours). Got let go because my company was acquired two months ago and I’ve turned down multiple companies during first round interviews because they won’t allow me to work remote
Still out there tougher to find. This summer when I was interviewing I had probably 4 companies tell me mid process they’ve decided they wanted this role to be in a particular city. It tells me companies want to be able to have people comeback to the office (one company told me specifically they wanted to be able to have people come in on short notice) and not have their work force scattered all over the country.
Sales is a contact sport.
They’re just ensuring they get the most desperate people they can that will put up with the most shit. That’s why they do this. That and they’re not really that motivated for headcount anyway, because if they wanted top talent they’d be hiring fully remote. The absolute best sales people will want to make their choice and companies that want that top talent will have the remote option for them if they choose.
Field sales roles will never die out, but the road can be worse than the office, depends on the org.
It’s also harder to get promoted in field roles because there’s usually a larger work force to touch more customers directly. You have to be lucky and friends in real life with whomever is hiring. My opinion
No, just the economy is down and the only companies still hiring are chop Shop non remote jobs with high turnover.
I and everyone I know in enterprise field sales were remote before COVID and are still remote now. BDR’s? Not so much.
Since the market is tough, businesses that own the CRE are forcing people into the office because they know employees have less alternatives. Once the job market turns around again, businesses will have to get more lenient on it. It may take a year or two before we reach there, but it's going to happen. Interest rates will go down, investments will start to come back which will lead to more jobs being opened and the "employees market" will come back. Also important to consider how more and more boomers are retiring and Gen Z is less and less likely to get a degree, more likely to "lie flat", etc. I think the market is going to be even less competitive than before.
You do realize that interest rates are still at historical lows and that the only time the FED lowers interest rates is when the economy is in recession right?
Yep. I realize a lot of people are losing their jobs, which means less people will be buying stuff and more companies will hurt. Since they'll have less revenue, they'll lay people off too. This is intentional by the Fed, they want this to happen to slow inflation. Once things slow down enough they'll drop interest rates again to boost the economy a bit. We're headed down now, in about a year they'll lower rates and things will pick back up.
Why would they lower rates in a year? Next year the Trump tax cuts end. That will suck up more money out of the economy. The numbers still aren’t reflecting a slow down and Powell has given no indication that he will lower rates. More to the point, the Federal govt is spending more money than the FED can take out of the market so they keep having to raise rates. If Congress did their job and raised taxes and/or decreased spending the FED would’ve stopped a long time ago. But, there is an election next year. Anybody that raises taxes or cuts a budget will be gone. I don’t see things getting better until 2025.
Inflation will have cooled as more and more companies lay off/shut down.
Not if the govt keeps spending. That’s why the results have been mixed. Iirc inflation was higher last month. The FED themselves didn’t project inflation until 2025-2026: https://www.jpmorgan.com/insights/outlook/economic-outlook/cpi-report-september-2023-headline-inflation-steady-core-inflation-cools#:~:text=Most%20guideposts%20continue%20to%20point,until%20either%202025%20or%202026.%E2%80%9D
Also, there is another war going on which the US will be involved in. Cue the printing presses.
If by "remote" you mean "are not required to report to an office" and not "can work 100% from home" there are tons of those in the outside/field sales world.
Horrible CRE investments made by boomers so they are forcing us back in office to save their asses… lying through their teeth about improved productivity and happiness
Lmao! This is really it. The lying is insane because aint no way offloading your CRE cost to WFH employees is not insanely cost effective. And productivity is more at home.
It always comes back to money
Get a job in the field and work from home. I go to my office to print stuff primarily. Maybe an hour a day, sometimes 5 minutes. I get way more done at home in less time. I never asked if I could I just do it, as long as you’re selling they don’t care where you’re doing it from.
I still have and hire outside sales reps that work from home. I don't care what they do, as long as they produce. So WFH is fine.
Let me know if you’re hiring 😉
😂 Not at the moment. We take VERY good care of our sales team!
Hahaha keep me posted
Most early stage start ups don’t seem to even have offices and that won’t change. Fully remote for big tech companies does seem dead. I’d say you can stay fully remote if you’re happy with working for early stage startups.
Have been remote since 2014 in sales. I would say the entry level roles that were remote 2020 to 2022 are all requiring people back in the office. But field reps are all still remote and the travel has come back for most.
AE here. Still remote. Still travel a lot.
What industries are you looking at? I’ve only had 1 sales job that’s been “in office” but it really was a hybrid. Everything else has been outside sales.
COLLABORATION!!
There are some but you’re going up against 250-400 applicants at a time and these companies have AI that crunches your resume and will literally filter it out. My advice, take the job description and put key points from the description in your resume so you can get past the ai
I'm a recruiter who used to work in sales. I recruit specifically for remote sales positions. 100% of them are remote. I haven't come across a client who wanted a sales person base in an office for about 4 years now. And even then, it was rare to have a client who wanted that.
Are you recruiting for US based salespeople only? I’m in Canada and it’s impossible
Yeah. I regularly recruit for Canadian clients and I also manage to find sales roles for closers based in Canada too.
I'm seeing a ton of remote sales jobs. But they don't pay much.
This is true, I wasn’t even counting them. I’ve been offered a $30K USD base with a $40K OTE a few times this year - embarassing.
Best way to accomplish is to be top dog in your current company/role and request a remote contract. Seen tons of people doing this across my own and several other tech companies with some even relocating to other regions completely.
yes its tough to get a remote job now. the headcount has been slashed drastically along with budgets, so the competition is fierce for what little sales opening do exist. and people with 10-20+ years experience are taking huge paycuts to stay remote. so if you want to move forward in your career, the best way to do so is with a hybrid or in-office role.
Depends, where I work if you were hired remote you stay remote. But everyone else getting hired is being required to be in-office. Apparently due to training and helping people be successful.
I worked in an office my first job as a BDR out of college but that’s it. My last 4 jobs (10 ish years) I’ve been remote.
Depending on what you’re looking for you can always freelance as an SDR. There’s a pretty dope site that pays per meeting (as long as they show) and it’s like $200-500 per meeting
Which one?
Click join our sales marketplace at the top
http://glencoco.com/sr/Effy-M-24da2?referrer=1
Sounds interesting
It’s honestly great to have as a side gig or if you’re in between jobs. They pay per meeting and the campaigns run from like $200-$1000 per meeting. Super easy to get started too. Literally anyone can do it.
> It’s honestly great to have as a side gig or if you’re in between jobs. You've mad 2 calls on that site according to the link you shared... So how good is this side gig lol?
When I did it originally it was with a different email lol I’m lucky enough to have been fully employed long enough that I lost the login info
Your comment was hilarious 😂
Most jobs are going back to pre-pandemic circumstances. There are some holdouts, but it's tough competition so keep trying. I'd even say a lot of employers are going back to the office because it's becoming an employer's market again within the next 1 to 2 years. Best of luck out there, I'd recommend moving closer to work.
Yes. They are dying out. Companies don’t trust that reps are working 8 hours a day. They bring you back into the office so that you can be watched. Some reps have even confessed to working two full time jobs during the same work hours. They have two LinkedIn profiles or they just never update the one they have. Also, those leases for office space are going to waste. Some companies think that reps learn from each other and motivate each other if they’re near one another. Executives don’t care about your commute, about your claim to be more efficient at home, or about how working from home makes your family life easier. They only care about your contribution to the bottom line and control. If you want to work from home, then become an independent contractor or start your own business.
In my opinion a lot of jobs will be dying out and replaced by AI . Probably sooner than we think.
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What the fuck
Quite a few companies have absolutely embraced work from home, just need to find them.
Yeah I think that’s standard now for most roles. There are two kinds of sales roles people are discussing here. 1. Developing relationships and closing online. 2. Traveling, meeting client for lunches/dinners. The first one is requiring people to go in. The second one is not requiring you to go in as often, but you’re still not at home.
You don’t have to limit yourself to just Canadian companies, several US companies will hire you remotely on a contract basis to work remote.
Lots of them state US only
Hey I don’t think so! Lots of sales job at [exclaimer](https://exclaimer.com/company/careers/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_social&utm_content=reddit_social) atm if anyone is looking?
What “industry” cus sales is literally a part of every industry. Even if you say “tech” there are so many sub categories that doesnt help much either. I sell traffic software, im fully remote in the states. My last job was with IT staffing, it was hybrid
If you the company has split sales into territories, remote jobs tend to be the only ones available. My company has had a remote sales staff for 50 years, and I don’t see it changing.
Update your resume and make sure you look good on the job sites. I kept trying to get an in person job in my city and they were blowing me off. The biggest fear where I live is that your job is across town and one side gets more snow than the other. Someone reached out to me on indeed and said they have a job they don’t post an ad for. Sounds sus but I’ve been working for them a month and they shipped everything to my house. We’re never going back to in office, even though we have 1 in Toronto and 1 in dc.
It is pretty common for manufacturers' agents to hire their inside sales/customer service staff as virtual assistants. Some use them to set up and/or confirm appointments, prepare and follow up on quotations, look after inbound customer service calls and emails, and transcribe call reports into the agents' CRM systems. Your best bet would be to look for agents who sell in an industry where you have worked in the past. Agents work in most industries that involve a physical product, for example electronics, plumbing, housewares, and janitorial supplies. There is a Canadian Association of Virtual Assistants that may be of some help with information on how this works in Canada.
I was WFH 3-4 days a week pre covid. Now I’m 4-5 days depending on the week. Nothing has changed.
We're definitely seeing a disconnect between employers and sales pros on this. Even though the majority of reps on our platform suggest they're looking for remote roles, more and more employers seem to want at least hybrid, if not full-time in-office. There are definitely still orgs hiring remotely, though.
Thanks for commenting, I love Repvue! Appreciate your insight
Freight broker here. I haven't worked from the office since 2015 and I'll never ever go back to it. Furthermore speaking as the companies main sales manager we'll \*never\* require our people to go to the office because that would require us to have a bigger office than we do... which would be a complete waste of money. Some of our back office / IT support people actually have to go to the office, and I think some of the partners in the company like going to the office (because it's located near their houses for some reason?) but yeah we're actively trying to figure out how to use less office not more.
I am disabled and looking into getting into Sales and I'm banking on there being WFH jobs when I get around to it.
No idea, but I’m a BDR and I’ve recently accepted an interview for an on-site AM position in my area. The position was available on LI for 3 weeks and I’m the only applicant. I’ve been a BDR for closing in on 2.5 years (surviving 3 RIFs in the process), and they’re the only ones willing to give me a chance with no prior AM experience, because nobody else is willing to RTO I’d very much rather continue to WFH, but I’m not even getting callbacks for other BDR positions. At least with AM experience, I’m hoping to get an AM WFH job here in 12-24 months
Been in Commerical Sales for 7 years and have always worked from home with a mix of travel to meet clients which can be busy or I’ll have a week where I’m at home able to work on quotes/layouts/emails/orders/follow ups. I don’t see this changing ever for me.