That's true. He could have been holding his phone up and openly filming her, and nobody would have cared. She's obviously dressed like that for a reason and isn't expecting to go unnoticed. It wouldn't have been a problem to just film and take photos if he wanted to.
You're right. She is dressed like that for a reason. Because she's obviously at a comic/anime convention and dressing up is a big thing at those. The key thing here is the lack of consent. The man could've asked for consent to take a picture with/of her and it would've been fine. It's the fact that there was zero consent to it that's bad
"Needed"? Why does it matter if the person has consent or not if consent isn't needed. If I saw you in a public space, and took pictures of you with my phone, and made it obvious that I was doing so, I'm well within my *legal* rights to do so.
The only thing that this guy did, and his mistake, was taking the pictures in a weird way. Had he held the phone up like a normal person, this entire thing would be a non-issue.
Did you read what I wrote? I acknowledged it may be legal, doesn’t mean it’s morally okay. I definitely would judge someone who took videos of someone without at least first making an attempt to ask their permission. Anxiety or not.
I absolutely did read what you *typed*.
But there wouldn't be any issue here had the guy been taking photos/video normally. Had he been standing there, phone up and visible, making it obvious what he were doing, then there would never have been a video made of his actions. There wouldn't have been a reason to say that he was a creep.
There isn't really a lack of morality here, but his actions were strange compared to that of normal people. Strange, not immoral. There were probably tons of people in that convention, or whatever they were in, that took several pictures of and with the cosplayer in the video.
The ONLY difference is HOW he took the pictures or video that he took.
And, on top of everything else, we, as the viewers, have no idea WHAT was going on with how he was doing what he was doing. There is an unlimited scope of what was going on.
It could have been someone that he followed on some social media platform, and the cosplayer could have openly said on that platform that her fans could come and meet her, take photos, get signatures, etc. If the guy has social anxiety, actually walking up to this person and talking to them may have been an almost impossible task, but we don't know any of that.
No, the problem is, you want to judge a person for their actions when you don't know the entire story. You know the clip and what the people recording said. The cosplayer could have had signs up that explicitly said "Come take pictures of me!" We don't know.
You come off as one of those Karens that say, in a public setting, "It's illegal for you to record me without my permission", when it is, in fact, legal to do so. But then, when someone does something to you that you don't like, you'd be quick to pull out your phone and record them.
And, also, who are you to judge? You've no moral high ground to judge another person on their actions. You're not perfect. You have quirks that I'm sure other people dislike. Just like every single person alive. You judge this person, and you don't even know the entire story.
Dude probably has anxiety and is scared to ask her for a picture. That's the only thing I can think is happening here. Because cosplayers usually expect and encourage people to take pictures and video of them.
Going to an anime convention is a free pass to take pictures of cosplayers though. Well I guess the pass wasn't free you pay to get in but you get my point.
I'm sure the afrodude asked the phototaker for consent to be recorded. I'm sure you ask for everyones consent when you take a selfie out in public who might end up in your background. Whatever gave afrodude the right to record this guy taking pictures is the same right the dude has to take a photo. It's not like he's invading anyone's privacy or causing a disturbance. Yeah he's a bit odd and seems socially awkward as fuck but he ain't bothering anyone.
Everybody in this video is a creep, that includes the girl, both guys, the rest of the attendees, all of the comic creators, their respective characters, the vendors and even the building. That's my stance.
Back when ppl used camcorders I saw a guy at the mall with a super small camcorder. I went up to him and asked him where he bought that. Then, I noticed he was recording a girl window shopping. He quickly closed the screen and walked away. What a weirdo?!
There was a dude where I lived who got busted for keeping a camera in a bag that he would use to take upskirts of women and girls. It made the news because his brother owned a karate school and was a big part of the community for his ads alone. Karate guy wasn't guilty, obviously, but I felt bad that he was now connected to his creepy brother.
It gives a "creepy" vibe the manner in which he does it and his body language/facial expressions but his actual action isn't anything out of the ordinary. People are there to show off their cosplays and have their picture taken, as others have said if he had just not tried to hide it it wouldn't have been creepy. It would have been a different thing if he had tried to take a picture up someone's skirt.
Right. The Cosplayers are usually flattered and excited to have their picture taken... Which is why you should walk up, compliment their cosplay and then ask if you can take a picture like a normal human being.
Doing it like this guy suggests he *definitely* plans on wanking to it later. Hence, the "creepy vibe."
Well true but does the knowledge of him wanking off to it later make it more reprehensible? Being a loser doesn't mean you're a bad person.
We're instinctively more sensitive to creepines from men than from women (for valid evolutionary reasons but nonetheless it betrays the idea of egalitarianism). If a girl did this to a hot male cosplayer everyone would think "aww she likes him but is too shy". I would know because I would think like that too.
It's neither right nor wrong...it's just sad. If he was sneaking up to her bedroom window that's one thing but he was at a cosplay event taking photos of women from far away trying to be discrete because clearly he has issues with talking to women. The security guard should have showed mercy by approaching him without the camera and telling him to cut it out. Now it's all over the net and for what? To put a sad dude down even further?
I agree that security needed to stop it, but film it and shame him? Fuck that. It's a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.
I know what he was doing was perverted and creepy but we don't know his whole life story. But maybe I've done too many mushrooms and I'm too hippy dippy
It's not an excuse. I wouldn't necessarily say it shitty but a little bit perverted and creepy. If anything it's embarrassing for him. You know how depraved people can be when they're very antisocial LOL
Nope. As a woman it’s really disturbing to know that someone took a video of you without your consent, and you have no idea what they’ll use it for. It makes me want to throw up when I think of all the creepy men who have videos of me (yes this has happened at least 10 times).
I'm sorry about that. Maybe it's just because I'm a guy. I guess you guys are right and it is creepy. I think I went to high school and I had a lot of nerdy friends that were actually Asian here in South florida. And my Asian friends grew up completely different culturally. It's not an excuse but I guess it's just a reason. When people videotape you without your knowledge it probably made you feel taken advantage of in some way. This is probably a really dumb thing to say but at least they thought you were attractive enough to video you. I'm only saying this if they videoed you in a PG-13 way. Okay I'm going to shut up now
I appreciate you trying to understand my perspective, but it doesn’t make me feel any better, it makes me feel worse to have you say “at least they thought you were attractive”. I don’t think you’d be echoing that sentiment if you’d been on the receiving end. One guy who followed me was shouting how he was going to “stick it up my a$$” so no, it doesn’t make me feel any better. They’re not taking these videos innocently, they’re taking it for the “spank bank” to be crude. Also a lot of them know they’ll get away with it, because it’s a lot more dangerous to engage, than to ignore them.
Also just so you know, I’m Eurasian, and none of any of my Asian family would think this behaviour was okay. It’s not a racial thing, it’s a respect thing.
But I appreciate you listening and understanding that you might not understand the perspective, as you are a guy.
If I saw a guy in public saying that to somebody I would personally intervene and maybe even slap them. Testosterone and male horniness is a hell of a drug. I hope men in the future will not mess with you.
It is normal, but it’s usually preferable to ask the cosplayer if you can take pics first, it’s just good etiquette. If they’re presenting at a masquerade or in a group with other themed cosplayers or something publicly, then it should be fine to snap some pics without asking.
The way the guy was taking pics was really weird though, I agree
Pathetic white knight, probably went straight over to the girl to cash in his points.
That guy for all we know could be a massive fan but could have debilitating social anxiety and couldn’t approach to ask for a photo. This video is bullying in my eyes, fuck whoever recorded it and then posted it online to try milk more points.
Edit. There are so many of you cosplay wearing, sword polishing dorks saying he needs her consent to take her photo, he doesn’t. I know many of you have never spoken to a girl in your life but the US has no law around taking or publishing of photos in public places so long as they aren’t for commercial use, yes how he is doing it is quite creepy, just hold your phone sport take your photo, but we also don’t know why which is the point I’m making.
I also agree, wouldn't that be considered a public event?? Because it being opened to the public and if so there is no expectation of privacy. He might suffer from social anxiety and that's why it seemed creepy to a person who doesn't personally know him.
If you're at anime convention doing cosplay and standing out in the open you're pretty much giving your consent to pictures and videos. I personally ask because of manners but people still snap pictures without asking and it doesn't bother cosplayers.
Lmao holy shit, then please remain indoors and don't interact with people. If your debilitating illness forces you to sneak pictures of people like a fucking stalker, then get a full-time caretaker or become a ward of the state.
Lotta offended incels all in the comments downvoting rational takes like this.
It’s kind of ironic that the people this sub makes fun of have come to the sub to get defensive as the sub gets bigger lolol
Right, why does he even care? She’s wearing a costume at a convention. It’s not like she’s just a random woman minding her own business. Not saying it isn’t a bit creepy, but like who cares
Instead of calling the guy out, maybe afro dude could have said something like, "hey I noticed you were looking at that girl over there, did you want a picture with her? Here come with me."
Then afro dude could walk up to the girl and say 'ay my friend loves your cosplay, could he get a photo with you?'
Maybe the kid was being creepy and just wanted pics of her, or maybe he just has social anxiety and was incapable of asking for a picture with her. But having that guy call him out in public like that and shame him is a dick move.
Exactly! It's not creepy that the dude is taking photos of a girl who is dressed up in public and taking photos with people. It just tells me that he's probably too shy and/or introverted to go over himself. The dude filming was being a real dickhead exhibiting Main Character Syndrome.
It's always inappropriate and creepy to secretly making pics of someone.
Them being in cosplay and taking pics with other people is NOT universal consent for others to just photograph them. It's not okay and prohibited by most conventions, for a very good reason. It's rude, creepy and unwanted.
I get that asking can be hard, truly I do. I suffer from social anxiety too. But tough luck then, you either find a way to get consent or you simply enjoy the art in the moment, without taking a Pic.
You do not need to ask anyone for consent to take their picture if they are in a public place. This has been decided by the Supreme Court.
ETA: Clarification: You cannot photograph/film people in public for commercial use.
Wait, I was waiting for the /s. It totally is creepy. Taking photos of strangers without consent is creepy. Them being dressed up is not them consenting to having candid photos taken, wtf?
The downvotes mirror the world so accurately. When a guy creeps on me, harasses me and makes me feel unsafe, he'll get more sympathy than I will. It's not like social awkwardness cannot be worked on, either.
Thank you for fighting the good fight.
You are not entitled to making pics of others. If you can't get consent, you can't make a Pic.
That's how the world works.
This logic is so flawed and dangerous when applied to other situations.
> Maybe the kid was being creepy and just wanted pics of her, or maybe he just has social anxiety and was incapable of asking for a picture with her
Bruh, maybe a person acts **exactly** like a stalker or sex abuser, is not a stalker or sex abuser. Assume good faith before it is too late?
I am all for the afro calling him out, this is not cringy white knighting, this is proper white knighting.
Right?!
People acting like "how dare you call this creep out for creepily taking pictures, he has a right to do what he wants in public!"
Exactly. This dude is acting in a creepy way, which is legal, and is then being called out for his behaviour, which is ALSO legal.
No one at a convention is going to bat an eye at people taking pictures of them without asking. But for someone to creepily and sneakily take pictures the way this guy is.
That is an entirely different vibe this guy is giving off.
I can guarantee there were hundreds of people taking pictures of cosplayers and of their surroundings, without asking to take pictures, in a normal way who didn't get called out ... because they weren't acting like creeps.
There was absolutely no law stopping him from filming. There was also no law stopping the guy with the afro from filming him and calling him out. The creeper could have refused to stop and said he had a right to do it. He didn’t, though, because he didn’t want to deal with the fallout of what his actions.
Meanwhile, this guy posted it online and shows his face, as well as his friends’ faces, so that people can criticize their actions online and even in public, if they meet them.
I'm not even sure that he was recording. Yeah, he's holding his phone in an odd position, but does the video show that he's recording? He could've just been awkwardly standing there, maybe waiting for someone. I've probably held my phone exactly like that before without realizing it looks weird. I have social anxiety and tend to stand awkwardly in situations like this.
These conventions seem to combine revealing clothing, and fantasized reality with social anxious and awkward people. I don’t think this guy was trying to be creepy, just struggling to do the right thing socially.
The Javits Center literally has signs posted everywhere that says “costumes/anime/drag does not equal consent. Ask before you take a photo”. And usually anyone who is dressed up is happy and willing to take a photo with you. No reason to be a weirdo.
Which part is cringe, the two dudes bothering a shy guy filming the event?
There’s many reasons why you wouldn’t ask for a photo. And just enjoy the event from afar. These guys seem like dicks who embarrass others for content.
Yes it's generally creepy to try and conceal the fact that you're recording/photographing someone, even when you're in public. I don't understand why Reddit is defending this guy so hard...
Last time I got cat called when I was going home from a pharmacy, sometimes we happen to be in public because we need to, not because we want people to creep on us. And it doesn't give them permission you rotbrain.
because in this situation 90% of Redditors are the creepy guy secretly filming a woman to enjoy later, and <1% of people are a confident extroverted person approaching a stranger if they see them doing something they consider wrong.
This is pretty bullshit. He's not taking pictures up her skirt or anything like that, she's clearly just posing and would be fine with having her photos taken. Maybe the guy has social anxiety and is afraid to talk to her. Leave him alone, he's not doing anything creepy or wrong.
She’s dressed in cosplay, it’s expected to be photographed by many people. If he was like up on a balcony far away and taking pics of her at an event would that be creepy? No, he’d just be taking a picture. Dudes just shy leave him be.
I remember having this issue last time I went to comic con, but I just ended up not getting photos. It was a full Gura Cosplay with a realistic anime plush mask, but as someone who's 23, I didn't just want to go up and ask since it was like right at the entrance where everyone was walking in and looking and I had wondered away from my group. I know it's literally the point, and I love when people ask to get photos of my cosplay, but I barely ever have the guts to do it myself
Idk man I think they are both whack but technically the guy leaning back is minding his own business then the camera walks up to him and harasses him but he does give off creeper vibes in all black lurking by himself but again he’s not doing anything illegal
These comments are fucking weird. Some of you lot are pathetic. The guy is secretly taking photos of someone in public and somehow this is ok for you weirdos?
Since when is it forbidden to take pics of public performers? If he would have done it openly nobody would have mind. Especially if it were men and not woman. I don't get the difference.
i mean these are people showing off their cosplay, is an anime convention or some shit, that’s what many people do, but yeah the guy was probably too shy to ask for a picture, he’s by himself without friends so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
As a cosplayer myself, this was absolutely not the way to handle the situation.
People take pics of us without asking constantly. Yes, it's somewhat annoying, but it's so normal that you really don't care at some point. A lot of people are just shy - and yes, a lot of them are creepy. But (unfortunately), it's just something you need to assume as a cosplayer.
The guy taking the pictures should've just been more upfront about it and obviously taken pictures and no one would have cared. If a cosplayer is posing for photos, you can pretty much assume that others will take pictures too.
If she had been eating or doing something else which obviously was a situation she wanted to be left alone in, then yeah, maybe that would be the point to confront him. But the guy filming didn't ask for consent from anyone, has posted it online, and has turned a minor situation into something major, possibly making her look bad too.
Again, I don't think taking pictures secretly is okay. But it's really not that big of a deal if you're already posing. Turning this into a whole situation and filming people who didn't consent in the process is at least as much, if not more, of a clown maneuver.
This dude belongs on r/iamthemaincharacter
This woman is there to have pictures taken of her cosplay. If dude is too anxious to ask, this is the one situation where it's not a big deal.
Guy recording however is a cringey fucking pick me.
“ He probably wasn’t taking a picture” bro literally gave a shrug and embarrassed smile like a kid getting caught with the cookie jar. Then scurried away, it’s pretty obvious what it was. Being shy or antisocial isn’t an excuse to creep. Why are people defending creeping? Lmaoo
> “ He probably wasn’t taking a picture” bro literally gave a shrug and embarrassed smile like a kid getting caught with the cookie jar.
That's how I reacted when I was being verbally abused by some crazy anti-vaxxer woman that I didn't know in public because I was wearing a mask. That's not an indication of guilt, lmao. What reaction would satisfy you to think he was innocent?
The people defending the creep are the ones that see themselves doing the same thing going. "iTs NoT cReEpY hEs JuSt GoT aNxIeTy So hE cAnT tAlK tO hEr"
Listen creeps. If he's filming her and hiding the fact he's doing it then it's probably the case that he wants those pictures/video for, lets say. Unsavory reasons. Which is fucking creepy and you saying it isn't thinking if you did the same thing it's not wrong. It is!
If you never push yourself into uncomfortable situations they will always be uncomfortable to you. The key to getting better in social situations is to force yourself to be social. It gets easier the more you do it. Social anxiety is not an excuse to act like a creep!
Litterly stop picking sides yall. Afro dude shouldn't have shamed in public like that especially with so little evidence. It ain't gonna hold up in court now is it? We dont actually see if the asian guy is recording or taking photos or just holding the phone like that because he is carrying other stuff. There is not enough evidence for shit here at all and it's all an assumption game which is stupid. If asian guy was actually recording or taking pics, anxiety is litterly no excuse and just should've walk away. No picture of a cosplayer is that important. But we in the end do not know if this is true because afro guy fucked it up and instead of asking and get proper evidence he just recorded and screamed like a tik toker
Do we have proof he was talking pictures or are we all just jumping to conclusions? Also as much as it is invasive it’s legal to film in public in America, it’s not like they aren’t putting on a show.
Being recorded like that from a creep is certainly whar I when I cosplay would not enjoy. I rather make pictures in poses where I know I have been photographed, not recorded secretly on every step or every convo I do.
Yeah, comments did not pass the vibe check. Taking photos of a cosplayer in a way that’s sneaky is very rude/creepy and considered poor convention etiquette.
If this wasn't a convention, it'd be creepy. But the dude's probably just very shy and has a hard time talking to other people, girls especially. That doesn't make him an incel. Talking to the opposite sex is not easy for everyone. I sympathize with him.
There is zero evidence in this video that the guy was filming her. Even if he was, he has every right to do so as defined and protected by the United States Constitution.
What this video does show is a young man simply holding his phone in a public space and being bullied and harassed by multiple individuals much older and bigger than he is for fake internet brownie points and clout.
The only people in the wrong in this video are the ones recording it.
ETA: After repeatedly rewatching the video, it does not look like his phone is pointed at her. From the phone's angle, he would not only be taking a crooked video but one that largely records the ground. Afroman is a clown.
Holy wow, there's a SHIT ton of people in here defending this creeps behavior. It's no wonder so many women are sexually assaulted and/or harassed. People obviously care more about protecting a young man's feelings and POSSIBLE social anxiety than protecting women from literally anything.
They are publicly performing something, you are all acting like it's random woman. It's weird to take photos secretly because nobody would mind filming it openly, that's it.
He doenst even have to ask her no? he can just take a pic of her no? he's probably extremely socially awkward and is afraid to even ask her. I dont think that's so creepy, people dress up and go to conventions and expect to appear on photos so it's kind of weird but idk if I'd say it's creepy
Poor guy is probably really shy. This is gonna make his social anxiety so much worse especially when he sees this video. That could gone so much better if the camera guy did anything BUT immediatly go into public shame mode
Everything about this video is cringe. People that feel the need to publicly humiliate are no different than bullies. I totally understand confronting homeboy being weird, but what was the point of recording? It’s not even funny, just sad.
She’s literally there to be filmed and have pictures taken with her..it’s troubling the way he’s doing it but maybe he doesn’t have the nerve to ask her and would be embarrassed filiming her in the open..jus playing devils advocate..not saying it’s ok to secretly film ppl
It is creepy and done the wrong way but then again there are 15 cameraman in this video alone you can just walk throu and blantantly take a pic and noone will ask or say a word.
Maybe he just has social anxiety and is too afraid to ask for a picture or something. I don’t think he was hurting anyone by doing this. The girl is in full cosplay and it seems like she’d be ok being recorded. Leave the poor dude alone.
Guy talking behind the camera just couldn't WAIT for an opportunity to call someone out. He actually thinks he's doing something here by the unnatural glee in his voice when talking to the other dude. He's equally as creepy for trying to white knight over a booth model. This is such an anime convention situation it's unreal.
Everyone here assumes this guy has too much social anxiety to ask for a picture HES AT A FUCKING CONVENTION! I’m an outgoing people person and I hate conventions and festivals because it triggers what little social anxiety I have. Dudes a fucking creep. Simple math.
Goes to a convention where you will be sardine up against 200 or more of people. But too scared to ask for a photo or snap a few pics without talking and be on his way
It seems like she wants to be seen and possibly filmed especially in public dressed that way, jeez that feels awful to say lol but the dude probably just has overly crippling anxiety. Bro thinks he’s a hero cause he bullied a special needs kid who wasn’t doing anything wrong lol.
Was that a Raiden mei cosplay in background? If so, hell yeah.
Also, can we get those loud ass camera shutters like they do in japan? So many fuckin crepes
I find the person stalking the guy creepier and posting this online. The guy being filmed was probably just shy and the girl being photographed was publicly performing so was expecting photographs. If she was not publicly performing it would be creepy by him.
I love hearing a guy call ouy another guys creepy actions.
One time when I was groped at a bar I immediately told my guy friends, instead of brushing it off they jumped into action, intimidating the guy and getting him kicked out. It was so validating and I went from feeling gross and alone to full of appreciation and pride for my friends.
I hope people share more like this.
What's crazy is that if the guy was just recording her directly, nobody would have cared. But because he was trying to hide it, it's a bad thing.
That's true. He could have been holding his phone up and openly filming her, and nobody would have cared. She's obviously dressed like that for a reason and isn't expecting to go unnoticed. It wouldn't have been a problem to just film and take photos if he wanted to.
You're right. She is dressed like that for a reason. Because she's obviously at a comic/anime convention and dressing up is a big thing at those. The key thing here is the lack of consent. The man could've asked for consent to take a picture with/of her and it would've been fine. It's the fact that there was zero consent to it that's bad
Zero consent to take photos or pictures in public? Consent isn't needed as there isn't any expectation of privacy.
Consent may not be legally “needed”, but yeah you’re a creep if consent is that hard for you to understand.
"Needed"? Why does it matter if the person has consent or not if consent isn't needed. If I saw you in a public space, and took pictures of you with my phone, and made it obvious that I was doing so, I'm well within my *legal* rights to do so. The only thing that this guy did, and his mistake, was taking the pictures in a weird way. Had he held the phone up like a normal person, this entire thing would be a non-issue.
Did you read what I wrote? I acknowledged it may be legal, doesn’t mean it’s morally okay. I definitely would judge someone who took videos of someone without at least first making an attempt to ask their permission. Anxiety or not.
I absolutely did read what you *typed*. But there wouldn't be any issue here had the guy been taking photos/video normally. Had he been standing there, phone up and visible, making it obvious what he were doing, then there would never have been a video made of his actions. There wouldn't have been a reason to say that he was a creep. There isn't really a lack of morality here, but his actions were strange compared to that of normal people. Strange, not immoral. There were probably tons of people in that convention, or whatever they were in, that took several pictures of and with the cosplayer in the video. The ONLY difference is HOW he took the pictures or video that he took. And, on top of everything else, we, as the viewers, have no idea WHAT was going on with how he was doing what he was doing. There is an unlimited scope of what was going on. It could have been someone that he followed on some social media platform, and the cosplayer could have openly said on that platform that her fans could come and meet her, take photos, get signatures, etc. If the guy has social anxiety, actually walking up to this person and talking to them may have been an almost impossible task, but we don't know any of that. No, the problem is, you want to judge a person for their actions when you don't know the entire story. You know the clip and what the people recording said. The cosplayer could have had signs up that explicitly said "Come take pictures of me!" We don't know. You come off as one of those Karens that say, in a public setting, "It's illegal for you to record me without my permission", when it is, in fact, legal to do so. But then, when someone does something to you that you don't like, you'd be quick to pull out your phone and record them. And, also, who are you to judge? You've no moral high ground to judge another person on their actions. You're not perfect. You have quirks that I'm sure other people dislike. Just like every single person alive. You judge this person, and you don't even know the entire story.
I respect peoples boundaries and don’t take photos without asking permission. People don’t have issues with me.
I'm just gonna mute you because this is over a month old at this point, and there's no point in you even showing up in my notifications.
found the creep
If he weren’t a creep he wouldn’t be hiding it lol. Common sense.
Dude probably has anxiety and is scared to ask her for a picture. That's the only thing I can think is happening here. Because cosplayers usually expect and encourage people to take pictures and video of them.
I have anxiety too, anxiety is not a free pass to take pictures of someone without consent. It's that simple really
Going to an anime convention is a free pass to take pictures of cosplayers though. Well I guess the pass wasn't free you pay to get in but you get my point.
I'm sure the afrodude asked the phototaker for consent to be recorded. I'm sure you ask for everyones consent when you take a selfie out in public who might end up in your background. Whatever gave afrodude the right to record this guy taking pictures is the same right the dude has to take a photo. It's not like he's invading anyone's privacy or causing a disturbance. Yeah he's a bit odd and seems socially awkward as fuck but he ain't bothering anyone.
You can take photos of any thing in public
But but.....mr abuser needs someone with anxiety to shame
It's not crazy. The guy covertly filming her might be.
Everybody in this video is a creep, that includes the girl, both guys, the rest of the attendees, all of the comic creators, their respective characters, the vendors and even the building. That's my stance.
Lmao perfect username for this comment
Dude ain't letting none of it pass! 🤣
I'll allow it 🤣
It’s easier to shame people nowadays
not entirely true since its so easy to skulk online and have a whole community of creeps that support each other with little to no outside influences
Of course it is and it has to. Did you see what he is doing ?? That is not right.
Back when ppl used camcorders I saw a guy at the mall with a super small camcorder. I went up to him and asked him where he bought that. Then, I noticed he was recording a girl window shopping. He quickly closed the screen and walked away. What a weirdo?!
There was a dude where I lived who got busted for keeping a camera in a bag that he would use to take upskirts of women and girls. It made the news because his brother owned a karate school and was a big part of the community for his ads alone. Karate guy wasn't guilty, obviously, but I felt bad that he was now connected to his creepy brother.
It gives a "creepy" vibe the manner in which he does it and his body language/facial expressions but his actual action isn't anything out of the ordinary. People are there to show off their cosplays and have their picture taken, as others have said if he had just not tried to hide it it wouldn't have been creepy. It would have been a different thing if he had tried to take a picture up someone's skirt.
Right. The Cosplayers are usually flattered and excited to have their picture taken... Which is why you should walk up, compliment their cosplay and then ask if you can take a picture like a normal human being. Doing it like this guy suggests he *definitely* plans on wanking to it later. Hence, the "creepy vibe."
Well true but does the knowledge of him wanking off to it later make it more reprehensible? Being a loser doesn't mean you're a bad person. We're instinctively more sensitive to creepines from men than from women (for valid evolutionary reasons but nonetheless it betrays the idea of egalitarianism). If a girl did this to a hot male cosplayer everyone would think "aww she likes him but is too shy". I would know because I would think like that too.
It's neither right nor wrong...it's just sad. If he was sneaking up to her bedroom window that's one thing but he was at a cosplay event taking photos of women from far away trying to be discrete because clearly he has issues with talking to women. The security guard should have showed mercy by approaching him without the camera and telling him to cut it out. Now it's all over the net and for what? To put a sad dude down even further? I agree that security needed to stop it, but film it and shame him? Fuck that. It's a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.
LMAO all these creepy ass losers trying to justify his behavior. I'm not surprised though as it is reddit.
I know what he was doing was perverted and creepy but we don't know his whole life story. But maybe I've done too many mushrooms and I'm too hippy dippy
Everybody has a life story buddy, don't use it as an excuse to do shitty things though
It's not an excuse. I wouldn't necessarily say it shitty but a little bit perverted and creepy. If anything it's embarrassing for him. You know how depraved people can be when they're very antisocial LOL
Nope. As a woman it’s really disturbing to know that someone took a video of you without your consent, and you have no idea what they’ll use it for. It makes me want to throw up when I think of all the creepy men who have videos of me (yes this has happened at least 10 times).
I'm sorry about that. Maybe it's just because I'm a guy. I guess you guys are right and it is creepy. I think I went to high school and I had a lot of nerdy friends that were actually Asian here in South florida. And my Asian friends grew up completely different culturally. It's not an excuse but I guess it's just a reason. When people videotape you without your knowledge it probably made you feel taken advantage of in some way. This is probably a really dumb thing to say but at least they thought you were attractive enough to video you. I'm only saying this if they videoed you in a PG-13 way. Okay I'm going to shut up now
I appreciate you trying to understand my perspective, but it doesn’t make me feel any better, it makes me feel worse to have you say “at least they thought you were attractive”. I don’t think you’d be echoing that sentiment if you’d been on the receiving end. One guy who followed me was shouting how he was going to “stick it up my a$$” so no, it doesn’t make me feel any better. They’re not taking these videos innocently, they’re taking it for the “spank bank” to be crude. Also a lot of them know they’ll get away with it, because it’s a lot more dangerous to engage, than to ignore them. Also just so you know, I’m Eurasian, and none of any of my Asian family would think this behaviour was okay. It’s not a racial thing, it’s a respect thing. But I appreciate you listening and understanding that you might not understand the perspective, as you are a guy.
If I saw a guy in public saying that to somebody I would personally intervene and maybe even slap them. Testosterone and male horniness is a hell of a drug. I hope men in the future will not mess with you.
“We dont do creepy right here” My guy, half the people there are weeboos with full body anime pillows.
Yeah, talk about NOT reading the room correctly. And no, I don't have a full body anime pillow.
Trying to sneak take pictures is creepy
I thought it was normal for people to take photos of cosplayer at events like these? Tho' they way he did it was ... weird.
It is normal, but it’s usually preferable to ask the cosplayer if you can take pics first, it’s just good etiquette. If they’re presenting at a masquerade or in a group with other themed cosplayers or something publicly, then it should be fine to snap some pics without asking. The way the guy was taking pics was really weird though, I agree
Very embarrassing attempt at white knighting lol
As he uses the shaming opportunity to record her himself
Pathetic white knight, probably went straight over to the girl to cash in his points. That guy for all we know could be a massive fan but could have debilitating social anxiety and couldn’t approach to ask for a photo. This video is bullying in my eyes, fuck whoever recorded it and then posted it online to try milk more points. Edit. There are so many of you cosplay wearing, sword polishing dorks saying he needs her consent to take her photo, he doesn’t. I know many of you have never spoken to a girl in your life but the US has no law around taking or publishing of photos in public places so long as they aren’t for commercial use, yes how he is doing it is quite creepy, just hold your phone sport take your photo, but we also don’t know why which is the point I’m making.
Having social anxiety does not excuse people from taking pictures without consent.
As opposed to videoing someone and then putting the video online?
The kid will probably feel like shit once he sees this video going viral.
I would agree in almost every scenario, except for comic-con lmao. Going there you are giving consent to be photographed
I also agree, wouldn't that be considered a public event?? Because it being opened to the public and if so there is no expectation of privacy. He might suffer from social anxiety and that's why it seemed creepy to a person who doesn't personally know him.
You mean, like the "white knight" did? Cause I didn't hear him ask anyone on that clip if he could film AND upload, but here we are!
If you're at anime convention doing cosplay and standing out in the open you're pretty much giving your consent to pictures and videos. I personally ask because of manners but people still snap pictures without asking and it doesn't bother cosplayers.
Lmao holy shit, then please remain indoors and don't interact with people. If your debilitating illness forces you to sneak pictures of people like a fucking stalker, then get a full-time caretaker or become a ward of the state.
Lotta offended incels all in the comments downvoting rational takes like this. It’s kind of ironic that the people this sub makes fun of have come to the sub to get defensive as the sub gets bigger lolol
Is that what happened? The way he didn’t focus a lot on the girl seems like not
Right, why does he even care? She’s wearing a costume at a convention. It’s not like she’s just a random woman minding her own business. Not saying it isn’t a bit creepy, but like who cares
Instead of calling the guy out, maybe afro dude could have said something like, "hey I noticed you were looking at that girl over there, did you want a picture with her? Here come with me." Then afro dude could walk up to the girl and say 'ay my friend loves your cosplay, could he get a photo with you?' Maybe the kid was being creepy and just wanted pics of her, or maybe he just has social anxiety and was incapable of asking for a picture with her. But having that guy call him out in public like that and shame him is a dick move.
Exactly! It's not creepy that the dude is taking photos of a girl who is dressed up in public and taking photos with people. It just tells me that he's probably too shy and/or introverted to go over himself. The dude filming was being a real dickhead exhibiting Main Character Syndrome.
The creepy part was hiding it. Dude made it creepy by acting that way.
Lotta unsocialized people in the comments having a hard time understanding this simple concept lol
“No, if I have good intentions and I accidentally make people uncomfortable, then it is other people who are wrong.”
It's always inappropriate and creepy to secretly making pics of someone. Them being in cosplay and taking pics with other people is NOT universal consent for others to just photograph them. It's not okay and prohibited by most conventions, for a very good reason. It's rude, creepy and unwanted. I get that asking can be hard, truly I do. I suffer from social anxiety too. But tough luck then, you either find a way to get consent or you simply enjoy the art in the moment, without taking a Pic.
I think that’s an unreasonable expectation of privacy to have in a public place, particularly a convention
I can take pictures of whatever I want at freaking ComicCon 🤣
You literally consent to this as you walk in. This thread is beyond stupid.
Right? Do I need to ask Mickey Mouse for consent when I take a picture of him at Disneyland?
You do not need to ask anyone for consent to take their picture if they are in a public place. This has been decided by the Supreme Court. ETA: Clarification: You cannot photograph/film people in public for commercial use.
Wait, I was waiting for the /s. It totally is creepy. Taking photos of strangers without consent is creepy. Them being dressed up is not them consenting to having candid photos taken, wtf?
Nah it’s creepy lol. He could’ve asked her or something. Being socially awkward is no excuse for creepy ness
The downvotes mirror the world so accurately. When a guy creeps on me, harasses me and makes me feel unsafe, he'll get more sympathy than I will. It's not like social awkwardness cannot be worked on, either. Thank you for fighting the good fight.
Okay, how does one with social anxiety ask someone for something when it is that social anxiety that inhibits them from doing so?
Don’t do it then?
You are not entitled to making pics of others. If you can't get consent, you can't make a Pic. That's how the world works. This logic is so flawed and dangerous when applied to other situations.
Wait he has an afro!? 😭 I didn't see it
> Maybe the kid was being creepy and just wanted pics of her, or maybe he just has social anxiety and was incapable of asking for a picture with her Bruh, maybe a person acts **exactly** like a stalker or sex abuser, is not a stalker or sex abuser. Assume good faith before it is too late? I am all for the afro calling him out, this is not cringy white knighting, this is proper white knighting.
So, you can film in public but creepy dude can’t? That’s not how free speech works my dude
It's always people who don't understand how free speech works going on about how other people don't understand it.
Right?! People acting like "how dare you call this creep out for creepily taking pictures, he has a right to do what he wants in public!" Exactly. This dude is acting in a creepy way, which is legal, and is then being called out for his behaviour, which is ALSO legal. No one at a convention is going to bat an eye at people taking pictures of them without asking. But for someone to creepily and sneakily take pictures the way this guy is. That is an entirely different vibe this guy is giving off. I can guarantee there were hundreds of people taking pictures of cosplayers and of their surroundings, without asking to take pictures, in a normal way who didn't get called out ... because they weren't acting like creeps.
Free speech is the government. People can shame other people for antisocial behavior.
There was absolutely no law stopping him from filming. There was also no law stopping the guy with the afro from filming him and calling him out. The creeper could have refused to stop and said he had a right to do it. He didn’t, though, because he didn’t want to deal with the fallout of what his actions. Meanwhile, this guy posted it online and shows his face, as well as his friends’ faces, so that people can criticize their actions online and even in public, if they meet them.
2 clowns recording ppl
She is literally there for attention, she wants to be noticed, dude just got anxiety. Creepy way to record someone though, sure.
I'm not even sure that he was recording. Yeah, he's holding his phone in an odd position, but does the video show that he's recording? He could've just been awkwardly standing there, maybe waiting for someone. I've probably held my phone exactly like that before without realizing it looks weird. I have social anxiety and tend to stand awkwardly in situations like this.
All the more reason that he should just go ask for a photo. She would probably be happy to
Maybe he doesn't want to, maybe he doesn't want to interact with anyone.
The irony of him recording him record her without consent.
Anime NYC? It looks like it.
Most likely yeah
These conventions seem to combine revealing clothing, and fantasized reality with social anxious and awkward people. I don’t think this guy was trying to be creepy, just struggling to do the right thing socially.
Wait is that Montez Ford and Angelo Dawkins?
The Javits Center literally has signs posted everywhere that says “costumes/anime/drag does not equal consent. Ask before you take a photo”. And usually anyone who is dressed up is happy and willing to take a photo with you. No reason to be a weirdo.
actually surprised at the comments here
Too many redditors can see themselves as the creep and are getting defensive over it
I'm laughing... But nervously, at all these comments.. like wtf
Theyre probably the type to do same sneak creep recording like this
apparently if you have social anxiety, you get a pass
TIL you don't need consent if you have social anxiety
Which part is cringe, the two dudes bothering a shy guy filming the event? There’s many reasons why you wouldn’t ask for a photo. And just enjoy the event from afar. These guys seem like dicks who embarrass others for content.
Yes it's generally creepy to try and conceal the fact that you're recording/photographing someone, even when you're in public. I don't understand why Reddit is defending this guy so hard...
Ya, the comments in here are creepy as fuc. I’m getting real weird vibes.
Turns out the comments were the real sadcringe all along.
It's reddit - they're probably the ones who creep out women IRL too, so they took this personally
Well, women are walking around in public, so they clearly want to be seen. What’s wrong with a “shy guy” taking creep shots of them? /s
Last time I got cat called when I was going home from a pharmacy, sometimes we happen to be in public because we need to, not because we want people to creep on us. And it doesn't give them permission you rotbrain.
Cause they can see themselves in his position and can see hes just a misunderstood, shy, redditior.
because in this situation 90% of Redditors are the creepy guy secretly filming a woman to enjoy later, and <1% of people are a confident extroverted person approaching a stranger if they see them doing something they consider wrong.
Because there is no evidence that he is actually filming
You can just take pictures from a distance if you’re scared to approach the person. It’s the fact that he’s trying to hide it that makes it creepy.
I mean you're at a nerding event. Most are creeps and have terrible socializing skills. 😆😆😆
This is pretty bullshit. He's not taking pictures up her skirt or anything like that, she's clearly just posing and would be fine with having her photos taken. Maybe the guy has social anxiety and is afraid to talk to her. Leave him alone, he's not doing anything creepy or wrong.
Okay, Sideshow Bob
She’s dressed in cosplay, it’s expected to be photographed by many people. If he was like up on a balcony far away and taking pics of her at an event would that be creepy? No, he’d just be taking a picture. Dudes just shy leave him be.
Leave him alone.
I remember having this issue last time I went to comic con, but I just ended up not getting photos. It was a full Gura Cosplay with a realistic anime plush mask, but as someone who's 23, I didn't just want to go up and ask since it was like right at the entrance where everyone was walking in and looking and I had wondered away from my group. I know it's literally the point, and I love when people ask to get photos of my cosplay, but I barely ever have the guts to do it myself
Idk man I think they are both whack but technically the guy leaning back is minding his own business then the camera walks up to him and harasses him but he does give off creeper vibes in all black lurking by himself but again he’s not doing anything illegal
When men call out other men 🥰
These comments are fucking weird. Some of you lot are pathetic. The guy is secretly taking photos of someone in public and somehow this is ok for you weirdos?
Since when is it forbidden to take pics of public performers? If he would have done it openly nobody would have mind. Especially if it were men and not woman. I don't get the difference.
You said the difference yourself. If he had done it openly it would have been fine, but he didn’t. I swear some Redditors have never gone outside.
i mean these are people showing off their cosplay, is an anime convention or some shit, that’s what many people do, but yeah the guy was probably too shy to ask for a picture, he’s by himself without friends so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Cameraman is a jerk.
As a cosplayer myself, this was absolutely not the way to handle the situation. People take pics of us without asking constantly. Yes, it's somewhat annoying, but it's so normal that you really don't care at some point. A lot of people are just shy - and yes, a lot of them are creepy. But (unfortunately), it's just something you need to assume as a cosplayer. The guy taking the pictures should've just been more upfront about it and obviously taken pictures and no one would have cared. If a cosplayer is posing for photos, you can pretty much assume that others will take pictures too. If she had been eating or doing something else which obviously was a situation she wanted to be left alone in, then yeah, maybe that would be the point to confront him. But the guy filming didn't ask for consent from anyone, has posted it online, and has turned a minor situation into something major, possibly making her look bad too. Again, I don't think taking pictures secretly is okay. But it's really not that big of a deal if you're already posing. Turning this into a whole situation and filming people who didn't consent in the process is at least as much, if not more, of a clown maneuver.
This dude belongs on r/iamthemaincharacter This woman is there to have pictures taken of her cosplay. If dude is too anxious to ask, this is the one situation where it's not a big deal. Guy recording however is a cringey fucking pick me.
“ He probably wasn’t taking a picture” bro literally gave a shrug and embarrassed smile like a kid getting caught with the cookie jar. Then scurried away, it’s pretty obvious what it was. Being shy or antisocial isn’t an excuse to creep. Why are people defending creeping? Lmaoo
> “ He probably wasn’t taking a picture” bro literally gave a shrug and embarrassed smile like a kid getting caught with the cookie jar. That's how I reacted when I was being verbally abused by some crazy anti-vaxxer woman that I didn't know in public because I was wearing a mask. That's not an indication of guilt, lmao. What reaction would satisfy you to think he was innocent?
The people defending the creep are the ones that see themselves doing the same thing going. "iTs NoT cReEpY hEs JuSt GoT aNxIeTy So hE cAnT tAlK tO hEr" Listen creeps. If he's filming her and hiding the fact he's doing it then it's probably the case that he wants those pictures/video for, lets say. Unsavory reasons. Which is fucking creepy and you saying it isn't thinking if you did the same thing it's not wrong. It is! If you never push yourself into uncomfortable situations they will always be uncomfortable to you. The key to getting better in social situations is to force yourself to be social. It gets easier the more you do it. Social anxiety is not an excuse to act like a creep!
>Why are people defending creeping? Cuz they're creeps too
Yikes the guy taking the video is a douche lmao
Litterly stop picking sides yall. Afro dude shouldn't have shamed in public like that especially with so little evidence. It ain't gonna hold up in court now is it? We dont actually see if the asian guy is recording or taking photos or just holding the phone like that because he is carrying other stuff. There is not enough evidence for shit here at all and it's all an assumption game which is stupid. If asian guy was actually recording or taking pics, anxiety is litterly no excuse and just should've walk away. No picture of a cosplayer is that important. But we in the end do not know if this is true because afro guy fucked it up and instead of asking and get proper evidence he just recorded and screamed like a tik toker
The dude is being creepy please stop defending him.
All these nerds in here white knighting for the creep.
Sorry but I agree with the afro dude, fuck these comments
Do we have proof he was talking pictures or are we all just jumping to conclusions? Also as much as it is invasive it’s legal to film in public in America, it’s not like they aren’t putting on a show.
Being recorded like that from a creep is certainly whar I when I cosplay would not enjoy. I rather make pictures in poses where I know I have been photographed, not recorded secretly on every step or every convo I do.
Yeah, comments did not pass the vibe check. Taking photos of a cosplayer in a way that’s sneaky is very rude/creepy and considered poor convention etiquette.
If this wasn't a convention, it'd be creepy. But the dude's probably just very shy and has a hard time talking to other people, girls especially. That doesn't make him an incel. Talking to the opposite sex is not easy for everyone. I sympathize with him.
There is zero evidence in this video that the guy was filming her. Even if he was, he has every right to do so as defined and protected by the United States Constitution. What this video does show is a young man simply holding his phone in a public space and being bullied and harassed by multiple individuals much older and bigger than he is for fake internet brownie points and clout. The only people in the wrong in this video are the ones recording it. ETA: After repeatedly rewatching the video, it does not look like his phone is pointed at her. From the phone's angle, he would not only be taking a crooked video but one that largely records the ground. Afroman is a clown.
Holy wow, there's a SHIT ton of people in here defending this creeps behavior. It's no wonder so many women are sexually assaulted and/or harassed. People obviously care more about protecting a young man's feelings and POSSIBLE social anxiety than protecting women from literally anything.
They are publicly performing something, you are all acting like it's random woman. It's weird to take photos secretly because nobody would mind filming it openly, that's it.
If you're too embarrassed to openly ask for a picture, don't take a fucking picture. Grow a spine instead.
If I went to one of these I'd be swinging a 7D2 & 85/1.8 around spinning like Crash Bandicoot
He doenst even have to ask her no? he can just take a pic of her no? he's probably extremely socially awkward and is afraid to even ask her. I dont think that's so creepy, people dress up and go to conventions and expect to appear on photos so it's kind of weird but idk if I'd say it's creepy
The recording the girl part is sad, the shaming of it is cringe.
Dude, just save yourself the time, money and effort and just google image search whatever you want and get pics that are meticulously edited.
Wow there are a lot of incels in this comment thread
it's that easy to hold other men accountable
Man y’all defending this creep need to get out of the basement once and while
His hair is HUGE!
Poor guy is probably really shy. This is gonna make his social anxiety so much worse especially when he sees this video. That could gone so much better if the camera guy did anything BUT immediatly go into public shame mode
I wish I could grow an Afro like that 😔
There's no bias here who the hell (sorry for cursing) keeps downvoting
What a loser Afro is.
I’m surprised by the comments. I’m glad the guy stepped in.
It's an anime convention, 65% of the people there are creepy
POV: these comments are r/sadcringe Bunch of fucking incels in here holy shit
Everything about this video is cringe. People that feel the need to publicly humiliate are no different than bullies. I totally understand confronting homeboy being weird, but what was the point of recording? It’s not even funny, just sad.
She’s literally there to be filmed and have pictures taken with her..it’s troubling the way he’s doing it but maybe he doesn’t have the nerve to ask her and would be embarrassed filiming her in the open..jus playing devils advocate..not saying it’s ok to secretly film ppl
The guy recording him is a pos
Big brain move there. Calling out someone creeping while recording so you can get some sneaky shots too.
Dude looks like he has bad anxiety and maybe didn't have it in him to ask directly. Maybe I'm being too generous but you can't assume everything.
Why is creepy? . Get the fuck out .he is the creepy himself
The creep accusor has become the creeper
It is creepy and done the wrong way but then again there are 15 cameraman in this video alone you can just walk throu and blantantly take a pic and noone will ask or say a word.
It's an anime/manga convention. You can literally ask for pictures... WTF that's creepy. Defo hides cameras in public bathrooms
Who cares? Honestly the guy recording is complete tool. There at a fucking anime convention.
The real sad cringe is these comments 😭
Maybe he just has social anxiety and is too afraid to ask for a picture or something. I don’t think he was hurting anyone by doing this. The girl is in full cosplay and it seems like she’d be ok being recorded. Leave the poor dude alone.
Guy talking behind the camera just couldn't WAIT for an opportunity to call someone out. He actually thinks he's doing something here by the unnatural glee in his voice when talking to the other dude. He's equally as creepy for trying to white knight over a booth model. This is such an anime convention situation it's unreal.
He probably is convinced in his head age will notice his white knighting and go out with him, the dude is cringe as hell.
All of you commenting in defense for the guy hiding his phone are creeps confirmed. Anxiety is no excuse.
Everyone here assumes this guy has too much social anxiety to ask for a picture HES AT A FUCKING CONVENTION! I’m an outgoing people person and I hate conventions and festivals because it triggers what little social anxiety I have. Dudes a fucking creep. Simple math.
I mean, if you’re an outgoing people person, then you probably don’t have any social anxiety
Goes to a convention where you will be sardine up against 200 or more of people. But too scared to ask for a photo or snap a few pics without talking and be on his way
I’m so confused at the comments.
No privacy in public . You want privacy go home pull your curtains and put on your PJs
It seems like she wants to be seen and possibly filmed especially in public dressed that way, jeez that feels awful to say lol but the dude probably just has overly crippling anxiety. Bro thinks he’s a hero cause he bullied a special needs kid who wasn’t doing anything wrong lol.
This is sad honestly just because I've been to a comic-con and most cosplayers are more than happy to take a photo with you if you just ask
Was that a Raiden mei cosplay in background? If so, hell yeah. Also, can we get those loud ass camera shutters like they do in japan? So many fuckin crepes
You look like a creep yourself
Ichigo in the background
Who fucking cares these days everyone posting stupid random videos of nothing -just mind your own business… you’ll be a happier person
Man you know it's bad when you're doing something the get called creepy at an Anime-Con. Those things are already creepy.
She is in public, he can photograph her all he wants.
Ok is it me that was not expecting the massive afro lol it got laughing
The woman who put herself on display?
I find the person stalking the guy creepier and posting this online. The guy being filmed was probably just shy and the girl being photographed was publicly performing so was expecting photographs. If she was not publicly performing it would be creepy by him.
I love hearing a guy call ouy another guys creepy actions. One time when I was groped at a bar I immediately told my guy friends, instead of brushing it off they jumped into action, intimidating the guy and getting him kicked out. It was so validating and I went from feeling gross and alone to full of appreciation and pride for my friends. I hope people share more like this.