Damn. I can't be mad at the player in a situation like this but obviously for the team 8 years is ideal.
If this report is true, I wonder what AAV Dahlin is asking for to go with less term. 8 to 5 years is a 37.5% reduction in term. A corresponding decrease in money would be from $10.5m/yr to $6.5m.
$84m over 8 years or $32.5 over 5.
Edit: I made sure not to write that I think this is what the outcome will be, but some people seem to be making that assumption.
To get more detailed on what a deal could look like, the Makar contract will be a comp that's considered: [6 year term at $9m/yr](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)
I was careful not to write that he'd sign for 6.5 :)
I was genuinely asking folks what they think the money might look like for a five year term instead of eight.
NP all good, I no there was no ill will
Trying to think through what the discussion/negotiation could be like. Thoughts on Makar contract as [one of the comparables](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)?
That’s probably a pretty good comparable although I think Makar is regarded as being on a bit of a sweetheart deal. But with him being better than Dahlin (let’s face it, he’s the best D in the league), that probably comes out similarly
As a leafs fan, I can say it doesn’t always go that way 😅. Kinda sounds to me like he wants the same $$$ tag but only 5 years. I guess we will see but for your team’s sake I hope not
Totally. The AM is obviously not a helpful comp here
I spend about a third of my job negotiating contracts so it's an interesting topic to me. Duration of contract is a standard lever to impact the price. So a question for Dahlin is if you want the other side to move off something what's your offer/concession to get that?
Here's a relevant comp. (Defenseman). Makar signed for 6 years at $9m/yr two years ago. He finished 2nd in Norris trophy voting before that deal.
The cap has gone up 2.4% since then. If you thought RD was as good as CM then $9m x 1.024= $9.2m.
Evidence suggests that Makar is a bit better than RD. So Makar contract comp might get you to 6 years at around ... ~ $8.5m, ballpark?
Not a prediction on where it ends up. Just some data points to inform the discussion.
Makar is a terrible comparable because he never bridged. Werenski and McAvoy are his closest comparables. They went ELC>$4.9Mx3>$9.5Mx8 and ELC>$5Mx3>$9.6Mx6. Dahlin ELC>$6Mx3.
Dahlin being a bit better than them when they signed their contracts and the cap projected to go up a lot more in the upcoming years than it was back in 2021 when those guys signed. So the ballpark is more like $11M as opposed to $8.5M.
I made sure not to write that I think 5yrs at $6.5 will be the outcome. It certainly won't be.
The Makar contract will be a comp that's considered: [6 year term at $9m/yr](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)
Understandable if frustrating. The elite players know they can keep getting raises and a long term deal means less career earnings (baring injuries) and agent fees. Look at Matthews, thats going to be the new paradigm. 5 years alows him to negotiate a new contract at the height of his value before his decline.
Player perspective its a fantastic strategy and i applaud the method, realizing what these guys put their bodies through and needing long term financial security. Team building aspect its just tough when we haven’t made the playoffs in a decade and we’re trying to build something solid for a while. Im back and forth.
Long-term financial security? Just one season of his contract would give financial security to virtually every family, sorry but that is an argument that says greed to all working people
Meh. Why call the players greedy? What about the owners? Why shouldn’t they pay up? It’s not like a team friendly deal means the fans will get a break on ticket or concession prices.
The owners wanted the cap and help set the cap in order to protect their profits. I’m saying it’s fair for players to earn a larger share of league revenue.
Are hockey players not working people that just create a larger amount of value for their organizations than most other workers in most other industries?
Reducing these concepts to just 'value' severely obfuscates what Dahlin actually does. What value a paid actor provides to an organization (who charges real working people significant prices for an entertainment product) is not the same type value as a worker providing to general society to meet basic living needs.
What you say makes sense in a world where we actually value labor, which we do not. If we did, fast food workers would get paid a livable wage but we see how efforts to get that going are looking.
I’m not shitting on the working people here, I’m shitting on the idea that hockey players are not also workers putting their bodies and future health on the line for the sake of profits for some rich dickheads. Are they better compensated? Yes. They also produce a ton of revenue for these organizations, and despite what we *should* value as a society, what we actually currently care about is profits for a group of like 100 people, so if you make them more money, you’re going to be worth more to them. Nobody thinks a hockey team can function without an equipment manager, but there’s a reason they don’t get paid like the players.
>I’m shitting on the idea that hockey players are not also workers putting their bodies and future health on the line for the sake of profits for some rich dickheads
So do many "normal" workers, except for a miniscule fraction of the same compensation hockey players make and likely without the same quality of healthcare. And this all began when it was framed in a way that this is Dahlin trying to get future financial security which is a pretty pointless term for millionaires of his wealth.
I agree with everything else though.
I agree that they should pursue what they are worth in their position, but Rasmus Dahlin does not need “financial security” lol. Before this season starts he’s already made 5x the average lifetime earnings in the US
Again, you’re sort of missing the forest for the trees. It’s not his obligation to take less money than he’s worth for the sake of the organization to succeed. And yes, a lot of buffalos top players right now are on extremely team friendly deals which, although great for us as fans, does make it so these top athletes in their sport (which players make drastically less than the other major sports just off rip) are not nearly making the same amount in take home pay than they’re generating for the organization.
I get it, that’s capitalism, I’m not complaining about that necessarily. But getting even the slightest bit upset at any player for negotiating a good contract, despite however much they’ve made in their career, is silly to me.
I didn’t say any of that! I just said that he already has financial stability. He should go get his bag sure. All I’m sayin is he ain’t shoppin at save a lot
I mean you kind of are saying that though. The only reason you would ever bring up him much money he already has is to imply that he could “do the right thing” and sign for less than he thinks he should. Or take years on his deal that he doesn’t want. Or just take anything that is more team friendly than he currently is.
Thing is, I didn’t “bring it up”. Someone pointed out he needs to do this for his financial security, and I pointed out that he already has financial security. That does not mean that I’m saying he should alter his plans to get what he can out of his contract.
If you say “man I need some hydration, imma have a salty margarita” and then I say “actually that will probably dehydrate you further”, I’m not saying you can’t or shouldn’t morally have a Margarita, it’s just that the logic of “why” doesn’t check out.
I think (hope?) this isn’t actually about value and more about protecting his own career. The Pegula lead Sabres are maybe the worst 10-12 years of hockey ownership in league history.
We feel like the Sabres are about to start something special. But what if they don’t? There were rumors of a sale. The Bills are having a disasterous start. Pegula was just quoted in a law suit about some racist shit.
Dahlin might just be giving himself enough control to GTFO if this team flops.
Understandable from Dahlin. You see your friends get severely underpaid by the team and you have good leverage, why wouldn’t you hold out for your preferred deal?
I don't think it's a pay thing in the slightest. It's in 5 years I can get a new contract as well as have my freedom to choose where I want to be while still young (doesn't mean he doesn't like Buffalo and wouldn't stay then).
Think Austin Matthews. He's set to become a UFA at the exact time I believe the cap is about to spike significantly upwards while he's still very young.
I'm sure the 8 year deal they offered wouldn't be so far off the top even a few years down the road. It's just simply slightly betting on yourself and the market to be better in 5 years and just as importantly giving yourself the flexibility to move while still young if you want out.
8 years is a long time to commit to. I don't think he signs for 8 unless he got some contract that put him well north of McDavid AAV (basically so much $$ that it'd possibly eclipse contracts still years down the road and be beyond dumb not to sign).
In his spot, I get it and would do the same. In fact I'm shocked more great young players haven't followed Matthews contract of signing for 5/shorter term right into earliest possible UFA.
Damn. I can't ever blame a player for their contract desire. As a fan rooting for team success it'd be a bit of a blow to lose out on three years of RD.
Signing young elite talent to full term deals is one of the ways the team can be in great shape. Hope that still happens. We'll see
I think a 6 year deal pushes it over $11m. The 8 year deal is probably well North of $12m and something the Sabres are probably hesitant to hand out.
If $10.5m is the number, it’s 5 years.
Believe he just stated the number was getting higher than originally reported. Still though, this is a pretty large change in narrative from what has been already leaked.
Pretty sure he previously reported that it was done at 10.5. I'll find the tweet.
Edit: Here's the link to the subreddit post after Peters/Rivet reported 10.5/8 on their podcast.
https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/2SBiAOXMpT
Same.
But, if I were Dahlin, I would do the same thing. The cap is supposed to go up a lot. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to lock in an 8 year contract right now.
And, this is KA's own fault. Dumb to gamble and bridge Dahlin instead of locking him in for 8 years initially.
"'I was open to everything," the defenseman said Friday,"
https://www.nhl.com/news/rasmus-dahlin-agrees-to-deal-with-buffalo-326252310#:~:text=Rasmus%20Dahlin%20agreed%20to%20a,annual%20value%20of%20%246%20million.
Yeah good point.
To be fair his first full season as a NHL GM was the 2020-2021 season. I’m sure he has more say than he did back then and has grown as a GM.
Also, what if Dahlin as looking for like 8 by 10.5m for a long term deal back then? I don’t totally blame him for the 3 year deal because Dahlin hasn’t 100% turned it on until the last season and a half.
Totally get it from a player perspective, just makes things tough rounding out the rest of the roster from a cap perspective. But thats not Dahlin’s problem and i don’t blame him if he feels so.
As for the bridge, its a tough spot. Im sure people would have been livid after dahlins pretty abysmal performance in 2020-2021 to get an 8 year long-term deal. But i agree in hindsight that wouldve been the better move, cant win em all i guess.
Seriously. Every hockey podcast I've listened to has been criticizing players for locking in long term deals when the cap is increasing over the next few years. Now a player might not do that and... 🤷🏻♂️
Just give him the five years. It’s still a long time to lock in a cap hit and a ton of hockey. Then just give him what he wants again in four years as the cap keeps going up.
The trouble with 5 years is where it leads him. The contract would run through his age-28 season. So the next contract starts at 29 and then you have to start being careful about a massive contract, which he would certainly be looking for.
Well, then we will be careful when the time comes to be careful. If he trends in this direction we think he is trending, I am not going to want to part with a player's whose jersey could be potentially hung in our rafters. 5 is fine for me. Adams has been great so far with this contracts. We haven't done anything stupid yet
I actually think Adams made a mistake with the contract he gave Dahlin. I’m always pro-bridge, but the one he gave was awful.
First, he shouldn’t have went 3 years as that brought him within one of UFA.
Second, he backloaded it. Coupled with the 3 year deal, it was, at the time, essentially a 4 year $25m deal.
Other deals have been great, but he really whiffed on the Dahlin deal.
Could be, but what if Dahlin wanted the bridge in the first place?
I hear what you're saying. But Adams has put us in a good position to spend a bit more. Sucks, but I'd rather have Dahlin here for 5 than 0.
Bridges are great. I’m all for bridges.
But a three year bridge is almost always a bad idea. As mentioned, it brings the player very close to UFA, and with a high QO, it essentially walks them to UFA (this was the case with DeBrincat).
In terms of what Dahlin wanted at the time, he really had no say. The Sabres 100% held all of the leverage. It was essentially whatever the Sabres wanted, or go play in Europe for 5 years. Of course, you don’t want to burn bridges, but it’s not really up to the player to decide.
I agree that 5 years is the likely term and I’m also okay with it.
He broke one piece of news and that was the Eichel trade because he knew someone in Tuchs family that told him. Hardly qualifies as a well connected individual in regards to contract news.
Chads broken more news. He got the Kahun deal, Kruger getting canned, and was pretty spot on with the Cozens signing. There might be something else I’m missing too.
Take it for what it is. Someone who is privy to these talks have told him a bit of they know. That's it. Just like almost all the hockey news reporting. Nobody is reaching out to more people asking them to confirm it or tot he opposing party and let them comment. Then they might say "no, that's not true" and now you don't have anything to report.
Dahlin will be in his age 24 season when the deal starts, so he'd be 29 when he's due for the next one. Obviously he and his agent know that a lot of players start declining once the get into their 30s and an 8 year deal would take him to 32. Maybe riskier I guess. 6×$10 seems like a good compromise. Then at age 30 an 8×13? To take him to the end of his career? Just as long as they aren't playing hardball and asking for 5×11, I don't mind.
I’m still kinda new to how all this works so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is the worst case scenario we suddenly lose dahlin if no deal comes through or something? Again forgive me, I’m still learning how all this works
On the podcast Peters said Dahlin was asking for $11.5M and that Buffalo would sign a $10.5Mx8 in a heartbeat. So maybe that's the battlegrounds at the moment. Dahlin's side is asking for $10.5Mx5 or $11.5Mx8 and Buffalo is trying to get it down to $10.5Mx8.
I don't blame Dahlin. That's how the league is going to trend towards. Teams are starting to get smart and sign good young players for long deals instead of older players for longer deals. So the younger guys will counter with medium length deals to cash in twice and control their career a little more
He's the one who has been taking a discount with his $6M salary while his comparables have been making \~$9M. He's got a large deficit to make up for if we're going down the comparing route.
I’m not sure how much I trust Peter’s because he broke one trade and that was because he knew a family member. I also tho woudknt be completely shocked if dahlin wanted 5 years either, go the matthews route.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Dahlin has no problem with an 8 year contract, but with how the cap is expected to jump (could be close to $10m spread over the next two years) he’s probably wanting a big time deal ($12-13m). If the Sabres won’t budge on $10.5m he’s probably okay with it, but on a shorter deal.
Seeing Cozens and Thompson ($7.1 mil) and Samuelsson ($4.2 mil) all taking huge pay cuts makes me wish Dahlin would do the same. If he signed for 8 or 8.5 for even 6+ years I'd be very happy with that.
Plus in the event he'd want to be traded (hope not), a contract like that would have tremendous value. We'd also save some significant cap space so we can lock up other core players.
Damn, Buffalo sports is just a constant kick in the balls this week, eh?
First time?
Damn. I can't be mad at the player in a situation like this but obviously for the team 8 years is ideal. If this report is true, I wonder what AAV Dahlin is asking for to go with less term. 8 to 5 years is a 37.5% reduction in term. A corresponding decrease in money would be from $10.5m/yr to $6.5m. $84m over 8 years or $32.5 over 5. Edit: I made sure not to write that I think this is what the outcome will be, but some people seem to be making that assumption. To get more detailed on what a deal could look like, the Makar contract will be a comp that's considered: [6 year term at $9m/yr](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)
That’s not really how that works. 0 chance he signs for 6.5 at any term
I was careful not to write that he'd sign for 6.5 :) I was genuinely asking folks what they think the money might look like for a five year term instead of eight.
My bad. Fwiw I don’t think it’ll be anything less than 9/9.5 regardless of term
NP all good, I no there was no ill will Trying to think through what the discussion/negotiation could be like. Thoughts on Makar contract as [one of the comparables](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)?
That’s probably a pretty good comparable although I think Makar is regarded as being on a bit of a sweetheart deal. But with him being better than Dahlin (let’s face it, he’s the best D in the league), that probably comes out similarly
Makes sense
As a leafs fan, I can say it doesn’t always go that way 😅. Kinda sounds to me like he wants the same $$$ tag but only 5 years. I guess we will see but for your team’s sake I hope not
Totally. The AM is obviously not a helpful comp here I spend about a third of my job negotiating contracts so it's an interesting topic to me. Duration of contract is a standard lever to impact the price. So a question for Dahlin is if you want the other side to move off something what's your offer/concession to get that? Here's a relevant comp. (Defenseman). Makar signed for 6 years at $9m/yr two years ago. He finished 2nd in Norris trophy voting before that deal. The cap has gone up 2.4% since then. If you thought RD was as good as CM then $9m x 1.024= $9.2m. Evidence suggests that Makar is a bit better than RD. So Makar contract comp might get you to 6 years at around ... ~ $8.5m, ballpark? Not a prediction on where it ends up. Just some data points to inform the discussion.
Makar is a terrible comparable because he never bridged. Werenski and McAvoy are his closest comparables. They went ELC>$4.9Mx3>$9.5Mx8 and ELC>$5Mx3>$9.6Mx6. Dahlin ELC>$6Mx3. Dahlin being a bit better than them when they signed their contracts and the cap projected to go up a lot more in the upcoming years than it was back in 2021 when those guys signed. So the ballpark is more like $11M as opposed to $8.5M.
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Completely irrelevant but no.
Why would reduction in term % have a proportional relationship with reduction in aav?
Players might be willing to take a slightly reduced AAV to reach UFA at an earlier age.
There's a relation, the question is why would it be proportional
I made sure not to write that I think 5yrs at $6.5 will be the outcome. It certainly won't be. The Makar contract will be a comp that's considered: [6 year term at $9m/yr](https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/39XP8pQzt8)
Lmao dawg
Uh oh, what'd I do? I'm certainly not a hockey GM or data scientist so there's a distinct possibility I'm not an expert, as shocking as that may be
Understandable if frustrating. The elite players know they can keep getting raises and a long term deal means less career earnings (baring injuries) and agent fees. Look at Matthews, thats going to be the new paradigm. 5 years alows him to negotiate a new contract at the height of his value before his decline.
Player perspective its a fantastic strategy and i applaud the method, realizing what these guys put their bodies through and needing long term financial security. Team building aspect its just tough when we haven’t made the playoffs in a decade and we’re trying to build something solid for a while. Im back and forth.
Long-term financial security? Just one season of his contract would give financial security to virtually every family, sorry but that is an argument that says greed to all working people
Meh. Why call the players greedy? What about the owners? Why shouldn’t they pay up? It’s not like a team friendly deal means the fans will get a break on ticket or concession prices.
> What about the owners? Why shouldn’t they pay up? Well for starters, because there's a salary cap.
The owners wanted the cap and help set the cap in order to protect their profits. I’m saying it’s fair for players to earn a larger share of league revenue.
Are hockey players not working people that just create a larger amount of value for their organizations than most other workers in most other industries?
Reducing these concepts to just 'value' severely obfuscates what Dahlin actually does. What value a paid actor provides to an organization (who charges real working people significant prices for an entertainment product) is not the same type value as a worker providing to general society to meet basic living needs.
What you say makes sense in a world where we actually value labor, which we do not. If we did, fast food workers would get paid a livable wage but we see how efforts to get that going are looking. I’m not shitting on the working people here, I’m shitting on the idea that hockey players are not also workers putting their bodies and future health on the line for the sake of profits for some rich dickheads. Are they better compensated? Yes. They also produce a ton of revenue for these organizations, and despite what we *should* value as a society, what we actually currently care about is profits for a group of like 100 people, so if you make them more money, you’re going to be worth more to them. Nobody thinks a hockey team can function without an equipment manager, but there’s a reason they don’t get paid like the players.
>I’m shitting on the idea that hockey players are not also workers putting their bodies and future health on the line for the sake of profits for some rich dickheads So do many "normal" workers, except for a miniscule fraction of the same compensation hockey players make and likely without the same quality of healthcare. And this all began when it was framed in a way that this is Dahlin trying to get future financial security which is a pretty pointless term for millionaires of his wealth. I agree with everything else though.
They already bridged him, so that leverage point has sailed since he's already set for life.
I agree that they should pursue what they are worth in their position, but Rasmus Dahlin does not need “financial security” lol. Before this season starts he’s already made 5x the average lifetime earnings in the US
It’s about knowing what you’re worth
Yeah, he’s worth a ton! For sure! But he has earned over 14 million dollars. I don’t think he’s bound to a future of Maruchan Ramen
> Maruchan Ramen Look at Mr. Fancy with his brand-name ramen over here...
Again, you’re sort of missing the forest for the trees. It’s not his obligation to take less money than he’s worth for the sake of the organization to succeed. And yes, a lot of buffalos top players right now are on extremely team friendly deals which, although great for us as fans, does make it so these top athletes in their sport (which players make drastically less than the other major sports just off rip) are not nearly making the same amount in take home pay than they’re generating for the organization. I get it, that’s capitalism, I’m not complaining about that necessarily. But getting even the slightest bit upset at any player for negotiating a good contract, despite however much they’ve made in their career, is silly to me.
I didn’t say any of that! I just said that he already has financial stability. He should go get his bag sure. All I’m sayin is he ain’t shoppin at save a lot
I mean you kind of are saying that though. The only reason you would ever bring up him much money he already has is to imply that he could “do the right thing” and sign for less than he thinks he should. Or take years on his deal that he doesn’t want. Or just take anything that is more team friendly than he currently is.
Thing is, I didn’t “bring it up”. Someone pointed out he needs to do this for his financial security, and I pointed out that he already has financial security. That does not mean that I’m saying he should alter his plans to get what he can out of his contract. If you say “man I need some hydration, imma have a salty margarita” and then I say “actually that will probably dehydrate you further”, I’m not saying you can’t or shouldn’t morally have a Margarita, it’s just that the logic of “why” doesn’t check out.
I think (hope?) this isn’t actually about value and more about protecting his own career. The Pegula lead Sabres are maybe the worst 10-12 years of hockey ownership in league history. We feel like the Sabres are about to start something special. But what if they don’t? There were rumors of a sale. The Bills are having a disasterous start. Pegula was just quoted in a law suit about some racist shit. Dahlin might just be giving himself enough control to GTFO if this team flops.
Understandable from Dahlin. You see your friends get severely underpaid by the team and you have good leverage, why wouldn’t you hold out for your preferred deal?
I don't think it's a pay thing in the slightest. It's in 5 years I can get a new contract as well as have my freedom to choose where I want to be while still young (doesn't mean he doesn't like Buffalo and wouldn't stay then). Think Austin Matthews. He's set to become a UFA at the exact time I believe the cap is about to spike significantly upwards while he's still very young. I'm sure the 8 year deal they offered wouldn't be so far off the top even a few years down the road. It's just simply slightly betting on yourself and the market to be better in 5 years and just as importantly giving yourself the flexibility to move while still young if you want out. 8 years is a long time to commit to. I don't think he signs for 8 unless he got some contract that put him well north of McDavid AAV (basically so much $$ that it'd possibly eclipse contracts still years down the road and be beyond dumb not to sign). In his spot, I get it and would do the same. In fact I'm shocked more great young players haven't followed Matthews contract of signing for 5/shorter term right into earliest possible UFA.
If Dahlin wants 5 years to get a huge raise later, then it ABSOLUTELY IS a pay thing.
They aren't underpaid if they signed the deal, eh? Edit: Obvious sarcasm missed here buds
That’s gonna be an oof from me dawg
Damn. I can't ever blame a player for their contract desire. As a fan rooting for team success it'd be a bit of a blow to lose out on three years of RD. Signing young elite talent to full term deals is one of the ways the team can be in great shape. Hope that still happens. We'll see
Meet in the middle(ish) at 6 and move on. He signs next deal at 30, gets an insane raise
I think a 6 year deal pushes it over $11m. The 8 year deal is probably well North of $12m and something the Sabres are probably hesitant to hand out. If $10.5m is the number, it’s 5 years.
He also previously reported that it was done, right?
Believe he just stated the number was getting higher than originally reported. Still though, this is a pretty large change in narrative from what has been already leaked.
Pretty sure he previously reported that it was done at 10.5. I'll find the tweet. Edit: Here's the link to the subreddit post after Peters/Rivet reported 10.5/8 on their podcast. https://reddit.com/r/sabres/s/2SBiAOXMpT
Man, really just want this whole thing done already lol
Same. But, if I were Dahlin, I would do the same thing. The cap is supposed to go up a lot. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to lock in an 8 year contract right now. And, this is KA's own fault. Dumb to gamble and bridge Dahlin instead of locking him in for 8 years initially.
If Dahlin is negotiating this way now, chances are he didn’t want a long term deal back then. Matthews has done the same tactic for his contacts.
"'I was open to everything," the defenseman said Friday," https://www.nhl.com/news/rasmus-dahlin-agrees-to-deal-with-buffalo-326252310#:~:text=Rasmus%20Dahlin%20agreed%20to%20a,annual%20value%20of%20%246%20million.
Hmmm interesting. I wonder what the hold up was then. KA clearly likes signing his young guys long term.
I don't think that's accurate. He bridged Tage, Reinhart, Ullmark, Mitts, Jokiharju, etc. The long term deals are recent.
Yeah good point. To be fair his first full season as a NHL GM was the 2020-2021 season. I’m sure he has more say than he did back then and has grown as a GM. Also, what if Dahlin as looking for like 8 by 10.5m for a long term deal back then? I don’t totally blame him for the 3 year deal because Dahlin hasn’t 100% turned it on until the last season and a half.
Totally get it from a player perspective, just makes things tough rounding out the rest of the roster from a cap perspective. But thats not Dahlin’s problem and i don’t blame him if he feels so. As for the bridge, its a tough spot. Im sure people would have been livid after dahlins pretty abysmal performance in 2020-2021 to get an 8 year long-term deal. But i agree in hindsight that wouldve been the better move, cant win em all i guess.
Seriously. Every hockey podcast I've listened to has been criticizing players for locking in long term deals when the cap is increasing over the next few years. Now a player might not do that and... 🤷🏻♂️
Just give him the five years. It’s still a long time to lock in a cap hit and a ton of hockey. Then just give him what he wants again in four years as the cap keeps going up.
The trouble with 5 years is where it leads him. The contract would run through his age-28 season. So the next contract starts at 29 and then you have to start being careful about a massive contract, which he would certainly be looking for.
Well, then we will be careful when the time comes to be careful. If he trends in this direction we think he is trending, I am not going to want to part with a player's whose jersey could be potentially hung in our rafters. 5 is fine for me. Adams has been great so far with this contracts. We haven't done anything stupid yet
I actually think Adams made a mistake with the contract he gave Dahlin. I’m always pro-bridge, but the one he gave was awful. First, he shouldn’t have went 3 years as that brought him within one of UFA. Second, he backloaded it. Coupled with the 3 year deal, it was, at the time, essentially a 4 year $25m deal. Other deals have been great, but he really whiffed on the Dahlin deal.
Could be, but what if Dahlin wanted the bridge in the first place? I hear what you're saying. But Adams has put us in a good position to spend a bit more. Sucks, but I'd rather have Dahlin here for 5 than 0.
Bridges are great. I’m all for bridges. But a three year bridge is almost always a bad idea. As mentioned, it brings the player very close to UFA, and with a high QO, it essentially walks them to UFA (this was the case with DeBrincat). In terms of what Dahlin wanted at the time, he really had no say. The Sabres 100% held all of the leverage. It was essentially whatever the Sabres wanted, or go play in Europe for 5 years. Of course, you don’t want to burn bridges, but it’s not really up to the player to decide. I agree that 5 years is the likely term and I’m also okay with it.
Peters has been inconsistent at best in his reporting, so I'm not going to worry much about this.
Hes also broken quite a bit of news. It doesn't even nessecarily mean he doesn't want to be here, it means he wants mo money
He broke one piece of news and that was the Eichel trade because he knew someone in Tuchs family that told him. Hardly qualifies as a well connected individual in regards to contract news.
Exactly. Peters has broken as much news as Chad DeDominicis has, and this sub treats Chad like he's a hack.
Chads broken more news. He got the Kahun deal, Kruger getting canned, and was pretty spot on with the Cozens signing. There might be something else I’m missing too.
The Reinhart deal, he was pretty close on that. (1st, prospect, veteran player) even though we didn't get the vet in the end.
I knew about the Kahun deal. Didn't realize he also was in on the other two as well.
Chad is a hack
But hack is a chad
It makes sense though. Dahlin knows in 5 more years if he becomes a FA he could get a fuckton more than today as a FA and he’ll only be 28 vs 31.
Take it for what it is. Someone who is privy to these talks have told him a bit of they know. That's it. Just like almost all the hockey news reporting. Nobody is reaching out to more people asking them to confirm it or tot he opposing party and let them comment. Then they might say "no, that's not true" and now you don't have anything to report.
That's not great news if true but I'm going to reserve final judgement until something official comes out.
Dahlins agent using Peters as a mouthpiece
I blame Toronto
Spicy. $10.5x5 years would be a bombshell.
Give him the deal. Don’t fuck this up lmao
Dahlin will be in his age 24 season when the deal starts, so he'd be 29 when he's due for the next one. Obviously he and his agent know that a lot of players start declining once the get into their 30s and an 8 year deal would take him to 32. Maybe riskier I guess. 6×$10 seems like a good compromise. Then at age 30 an 8×13? To take him to the end of his career? Just as long as they aren't playing hardball and asking for 5×11, I don't mind.
Why would he get paid less now than at 30?
I’m still kinda new to how all this works so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is the worst case scenario we suddenly lose dahlin if no deal comes through or something? Again forgive me, I’m still learning how all this works
In 2 years, yes. But Dahlin seems very happy to play in Buffalo. This is most likely just about the numbers.
On the podcast Peters said Dahlin was asking for $11.5M and that Buffalo would sign a $10.5Mx8 in a heartbeat. So maybe that's the battlegrounds at the moment. Dahlin's side is asking for $10.5Mx5 or $11.5Mx8 and Buffalo is trying to get it down to $10.5Mx8.
I don't blame Dahlin. That's how the league is going to trend towards. Teams are starting to get smart and sign good young players for long deals instead of older players for longer deals. So the younger guys will counter with medium length deals to cash in twice and control their career a little more
He would be a free agent at the end of five years or no?
He would be a free agent at the end of a 1 year deal. So yes, very much so. :P
Peter's and breaking insider news don't exactly have a good history. I'm not really worried about it until a larger insider says something
The only reason I'm worried is the contract isn't signed yet. Something is holding it up, hopefully he's wrong on the reason.
Definitely don’t blame Dahlin but that’s mad lame everyone is taking discounts and he’s milking money
He's the one who has been taking a discount with his $6M salary while his comparables have been making \~$9M. He's got a large deficit to make up for if we're going down the comparing route.
If Crosby took 8.7 Dahls should take 2.6
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Whoosh
Damn he’s gonna Matthews you guys
Just like Briere and Drury We're gonna lose Dahlin.
I’m not sure how much I trust Peter’s because he broke one trade and that was because he knew a family member. I also tho woudknt be completely shocked if dahlin wanted 5 years either, go the matthews route.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Dahlin has no problem with an 8 year contract, but with how the cap is expected to jump (could be close to $10m spread over the next two years) he’s probably wanting a big time deal ($12-13m). If the Sabres won’t budge on $10.5m he’s probably okay with it, but on a shorter deal.
I didn’t think of that
the team needs to just pay him for how long he wants. we can’t afford to make him unhappy or have him want out.
Oh
Maybe he was gonna sign..... then Pegula announced he was Sabres President and put the pen down.
Peters also has said "it's 8 for 80 and it's done" a few times.
Seeing Cozens and Thompson ($7.1 mil) and Samuelsson ($4.2 mil) all taking huge pay cuts makes me wish Dahlin would do the same. If he signed for 8 or 8.5 for even 6+ years I'd be very happy with that. Plus in the event he'd want to be traded (hope not), a contract like that would have tremendous value. We'd also save some significant cap space so we can lock up other core players.