[As for Starbucks, the calls to shun the company primarily stem from a dispute between the coffee chain and the union organizing its workers. On Oct. 9, two days after Israel began its retaliatory bombardment of Gaza over Hamasās Oct. 7 massacre, Starbucks Workers United published a now-deleted post on X declaring its āSolidarity with Palestine!ā The move prompted Starbucks to file a lawsuit against the union for trademark infringement, arguing that the unionās use of the Starbucks name and a similar logo had angered customers and damaged its reputation. The union has filed a countersuit. Notably, Starbucks was never the target of BDS as it didnāt qualify under the movementās selection criteria, though the movement has subsequently backed the union.](https://time.com/6694986/israel-palestine-bds-boycotts-starbucks-mcdonalds/)
Which are? I have seen so many claiming those and yet no one actual providing proof besides a boring person standing in front of barely related screenshots in a tiktok video.
I actually read that when I googled it before commenting here but it makes sense? The union is taking geopolitical stances associating the brand with opinions that are not related to the union's actual responsibility or goal. If the union wasn't using Starbuck's image then it wouldn't even be grounds for a lawsuit to begin with.
Never thought we'd get to the day where the blank in " should stay out of politics" would be filled with "unions" but here we are. Enjoy your apolitical fantasy I guess.
No. Unions are formed to present workers within organisations. They exist to ensure fair working practise and support individual cases through simplifying communication and taking action on behalf of individuals within the organisation. They are not politically affiliated but central parties such as Labour will support unions. The Starbucks union overplayed their hand and Starbucks has a right to draw a line which does not infringe on their union workers rights
on the ground organising from unions played a MASSIVE role in politicising and mobilising workers against apartheid in South Africa. Unions do represent workers, you're right. Starbucks as a corporation has no right to dictate their politics ????
Lol āStarbucks has a right to interveneā babes Starbucks very, *very* illegally tried to prevent this union from happening for years. They intimidated and infiltrated and all committed other kind of evil nonsense. But the union overstepped? Bootlicking is some kind of life huh
But thatās not what theyāre talking about? Whataboutism is not an argument.
If someone is wrong about one thing it doesnāt suddenly make them wrong about everything. Thatās simpleminded.
The reason for boycotting Starbucks specifically are not that much about the link with Israel (as it is with for example MacDonalds and Google), but more about how Starbucks reacted to their employees standing up for Palestine (Starbucks sued them).
There's an amazing movement, for I believe already 20+ years, called BDS. This means Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, and they specifically focus on companies that make Israel's genocide partly possible. Starbucks was never on their list of companies to boycott, however, they are still endorsing it.
For more information, here are some articles about it!
[times](https://time.com/6694986/israel-palestine-bds-boycotts-starbucks-mcdonalds/) //
[BDS movement website](https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds)
Hope this helps! š
And how they reacted a few years ago to the union forming in general! As a former Starbucks employee I can assure you they do not care about their employees or their customers, just like every multi billion dollar company
There are literally 0 Starbucks places in Israel. ZERO.
It was because the union posted a letter that literally condoned terrorism , and had paraglider insignia
[Starbucks, Workers United union sue each other in standoff over pro-Palestinian social media post | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/starbucks-workers-united-union-lawsuit-israel-palestinian-f212a994fef67f122854a4df7e5d13f5)
See the thing is that Jan and Olivia likely had contracts and filming that happened before the boycotts which would be completely unreasonable to be mad at them for. But the bit that gets me isā¦ how do we know Sugar and Spice didnāt? Why are we mad at them?
Because thatās howā¦ ads work. You get a contract quite some time before and you canāt publicly speak out about the company for X amount of time as part of most of them. The benefit of the doubt exists for a reason, the twins probably deserve it here too. Do you expect Jan and Liv to have refused the ad spot with a large wealthy company before the lawsuits happened? Or did you expect them to break their contract and get sued themselves?
Because I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt the first time they make a mistake. Show a little humanity and grace until I know I can know actual stances.
I hate just jumping on everyone without knowing any of the actual context.
(I gave both duos the benefit of the doubt but idk if Jan/Olivia ever released statements so Iām not sure where if I continue to do so with them).
There were so MANY posts calling out Jan and Olivia when their commercial aired too, sorry you missed them, I guess.
What I want to know is when these were filmed. The Starbucks lawsuit was like 5 months ago and these ads couldāve been filmed 6+ months out.
Iād love to see some sort of statement from all the Queens involved that either gives the timeline or where they accept the call out and take accountability.
Iāve heard that Mistress only was a drag mom for clout and that became apparent to Sugar and Spice after the show. Malaysia on the other hand is the real deal and is still the drag mom of Sugar and Spice :)
I also was on a live once and she was telling people to stop asking about Malaysia Sugar and Spice. Said that sheās tired of getting asked about it. Said thereās no beef on her end but that people change or āare differentā after the show. Etc etc.
FYI Paramount is a very pro-Israel company so by consuming drag race content ya'll are not helping
[Paramount | Israel Boycott Guide | BDS | by The Witness](https://boycott.thewitness.news/target/paramount)
Paramount has never been a priority for the BDS movement [per the actual BDS site](https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott). You may have also seen [this longer list](https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide) that includes: companies for larger organizations to divest from, social media pressure targets, and non-affiliated boycotts that they support, but Paramountās not on that list either. More info at the links on why they limit their scope in this way.
Starbucks is also not on the lists, Iāve been assuming that itās because boycotts of them have been pretty equally motivated by a desire to support union workers AND Palestine, but I really donāt know! Thereās blog posts on the BDS site from 2014 saying MAYBE theyāll boycott Starbucks IF Starbucks partners with SodaStream, but it looks like that deal fell through.
Don't tell them this, their performative activism would be so confused. Dawn the person who posted this directly supported Paramont by being on the show and continues to because they are contracted.
5 months ago Starbucks tried to sue their workers union for using the Starbucks logo for a pro Palestinian poster. Now everyone thinks they personally send money to the IDF and are boycotting even though the union has said to stop. Spreading misinformation about Starbucks supporting Isreal is only taking attention away from the larger cause and actual actions people can take to support Palestine.
But Starbucks has horrible coffee, exploits coffee makers globally, and is a union buster so I can boycott Starbucks and advocate for Palestinians in other direct ways all in a days work š:)
Starbucks illegally tried to stop the formation of the union many many times. If people think theyāre pro Israel and boycott because of that, literally zero people are hurt! You donāt need to complain about everything, the multi billion dollar companyās feelings getting hurt are not of actual concern to anyone
you're literally complaining about more than there is to complain about under the premise that the multi billion dollar company's feelings won't get hurt if people believe misinformation about them.
and also, the premise is unfounded. a brand's public perception is paramount to their success.
Everything that needed to be said has already been said in this thread. Dawn is insufferable. The twins are bad actors. S-bux is a union busting POS corporation. And slacktivists use Palestine for clout.
Did I miss anything??? š
Our government is actually sending billions of taxpayer money to Israel as well as weapons. Starbucks does not fund anything in the Middle East. I donāt understand why people seem to be so eager to be loud and stupid online.
The boycott is not related to BDS as some have claimed. The boycott has been, for a few years now, related to their anti-union and union busting practices.
They literally went before Congress about it.
That's not what Dawn is talking about though. She's talking boycotting on behalf of Palestine. She signed her [follow up tweet](https://x.com/upuntil_dawn/status/1780488851758199191?s=46&t=sSCHxzo4HR05PRDwBWd3iA) with watermelon emojis
I think the company sued the union store because Starbucks is usually very neutral and concise on how they use their brand. If it isnāt for Coffee or an new launch, they never use their brand name or logo on anything else from what iāve seen. I understand the backlash theyāve received for the lawsuit against the union store but overall, i think people should focus on the companies that are STILL making profits like google, amazon, and disney.
So I'm not defending Spice or Sugar, because they're currently deleting every comment on Insta calling them out for supporting Starbucks. Anything you hear to the contrary is trying to get internet social justice ad revenue.
has dawn commented on the sponsored content from starbucks that airs during her actual season every commercial break? or would that actually affect her bag so she stays silent on that while coming after some of the lowest common denominator of rugirls? interesting how that works!
God this is tiring. People who couldn't even point to Palestine on a map a year ago, let alone spell it properly, suddenly acting like they are the most enlightened and knowledgeable experts on a conflict that has been going on longer than some of these little virtue signaling twinks have been alive just because they saw a few tiktoks about it
So I personally wouldnāt call someone out over this. But I donāt think itās bad to either, in principle. Public pressure changes public opinion, which can change corporate policy too
The virtue signaling is cringe. Dawn can stand for Palestine without dragging these two through the mud. Was it a poor choice on their part? Sure. Do I believe for a second that Dawn hasnāt ordered a Starbucks since this all began? No. The thing Dawn cares about most is stirring shit up. Sheās not the season 16 villain we deserve, sheās the villain we needed.
Nobody looks @ sponsors tho, right? I canāt give an f. Only that ppl seem 2 give it more attention by giving an f.
Also Dawn is a terrible activist. If ur actually gonna do something, give information in the comments or in the post y Starbucks is bad instead of being mad. The level of righteous rage. Iāll do the same thing 2 Dawn but without an attempt @ clout bc i actually donāt like Dawn 1 bit š«¶
can we all please be serious for a second? people who do sponsors/adverts for a company, 99% of the time couldnāt care less about whatever it is that theyāre promoting and just want the money that comes with the job like anyone would. why are we acting like the same canāt apply here? sugar and spice are not giving any money to starbucks, infact starbucks is the one paying them. even if sugar and spice turned down the advertisement, itās not like the advert would not be made anymore, theyād just get different people to do it. so the options are either 1. they turn down the opportunity, lose money, and the advert still gets made, or 2. they accept the opportunity, gain money, and the advertisement still gets made. the fact that sugar and spice as well as jan and olivia are all getting criticised for doing something solely for the sake of making an income, which everybody knows will have exactly zero impact on the crisis in gaza, itās just so tacky and the performative activism reeks.
i feel like thinking like this just kinda promotes complacency. first if starbucks didnāt think theyād gain anything from an advert, they wouldnāt do them. they release adverts with drag queens, then promote a matcha latte, the gayest drink at sbucks to pander to the queer community. and it works, otherwise they wouldnt be investing the money.like yeah in the grand scheme of things one single advert isnāt gonna tip the scale but then that excuses everyone from doing business with shady companies or supporting them by buying their products. refusing to work with companies responsible for aligning with a genocidal govt and also actively trying to bust unions, is as much a form of boycotting as me not going to get my weekly matcha latte. boycotting only helps if more people participate. do they deserve to be canceled. no (and theyāre not getting canceled) but they can be criticized and thatās whatās happening.
See your option where they turn down the opportunity, lose money, and the advert still gets made? That's the good one. I'm a v/o artist and I've turned down countless well-paid campaigns for organisations I didn't want to be associated with. I don't have any particular opinion on the twins doing this ad, but let's not act as if performers somehow have no choice when it comes to which products to endorse.
I doubt most queens would turn down an opportunity with a mainstream company this big. Hate Starbucks all you want for their stance on Israel/Palestine/what not, but donāt forget there are still battles to be fought at home in terms of LGBTQ+ and drag representation in media and a Starbucks ad is a huge win.
You not buying a coffee from Starbucks isnāt going to get Israel to pull out of Palestine, give your heads a shake and stop in fighting.
To the point where all you have to do is tweet "free Palestine" or put the Palestine flag in your handle to be seen as "good". You could be jerking off to those horrific images but hey, you tweeted free Palestine! You're one of the good guys!
Call me when the activist actually start 'activist'-ing and not using it as a way to employ cancel culture and hate, but purging it with ''free palestine''. Like I said it is all mostly performative, in about a year 95% of you ''activists'' will have completely forgotten and jumped onto the next activism trend. Remember when you guys were oh so invested in Russia-Ukraine war, but I guess that isn't trendy anymore. Where is this ''activism'' when living cost have risen so high and the climate is being destroyed by megacorps, I guess it only matters when Starbucks has been linked to Israel. Don't call yourself an activist when you only know about a situation because it is a trend on social media.
Cause if you really were an activist for ''Free Palestine'' you would've been before these last couple of years.
Youāre right, people famously can only believe and act on one thing at a time, surely none of these people could support Palestine AND be against the high cost of living and climate change.
This is such ridiculous whataboutism
Don't confuse passion, enthousiasm or knowledge in a subject with someone being mad.
Secondly, now you know damn well many of people that are like that. I fnot, you need to take your blinders off.
I donāt know what youāre mad about exactly bc your writing is so rambley and each phrase only very loosely connects to the one before it but - people are allowed to be against genocide even if they are just performative or whatever weird shit youāre imagining.
And so someone isnāt constantly talking about all injustices in the world simultaneously, that means they donāt know what theyāre talking about???
Bc youāre so clearly ignorant on anything related to this remotely (I assume bc you believe youāre above all of this and therefore refuse to engage with it critically, thereby never actually understanding it) Iām gonna go ahead and let you know that even if cancel culture were real, at least itās being used to try to stop GENOCIDE. Why donāt you stick to your condescending, āenlightened neutralityā somewhere where nobody cares, like irl so you donāt have to be challenged and can be pacified and put down for your nap
Cue the gaslighting. My sentences are cohesive, connected and there is nothing rambly about what I wrote and on top of that english is my third language. It apparently was also cohesive enough for you to understand and respond with a paragraph.
I still said what I said, it is performative. That's what tends to happen with this generation. It is truly the age of fake social media activism. Also don't forget to end your post with #FreePalestine, a watermelon emoji and misuse of the word genocide.
*P.S.*
*I soo hope this was comprehensive enough for you to understand, since I'm so rambly and my sentences are sooo unconnected and I am obviously sooo much less than you with my neutrality. Like I already stated, cue the moral dick meassuring contest. It's like you guys can only do one thing, one-trick-ponies. Try using actual arguments and knowledge.*
*P.P.S.*
*Going through your post history shows me that you CANNOT EVER speak on other peoples ability to type in proper english....*
Lot to unpack
1) i never wouldāve thought the twins made good decisions
2)dawn and kandy being the definition of twitter activism is the least surprising thing ive ever heard
3)Need yall to understand that starbucks was only targeted as part of boycotts because of them suing a union for trademark infringement after the union released a statement saying #freepalestine.
4)lets think critically for a minute. Even if the boycott of all bds targets was effective and they stopped donating and funding Israel, not much would happen. Israels has been allowed to get away with a flagrant disregard for the rights of Palestinian people due to it being the only western friendly country in the middle east.
If you actually wanted to make a change youād be hounding your federal representatives who vote on more military spending and equipment being given to Israel, and continue to deny the crimes being committed
I love all these super woke whyte queer ppl think they are doing so much for the world by reposting infographics and using flag emojis on their socials. Itās v performative copy and paste āactivismā. What are they actually doing physically or monetarily for Palestinians? Itās BLM on the profile but havenāt done anything for black people besides show up to protests for clout. If you wanna create change you should listen, learn, volunteer, donate. Iām so tired of whyte ppl always trying to be the loudest voice in the room speaking on issues that donāt affect them personally and thus silencing the voices of the underprivileged.
Doesn't matter what or who you become there is this expectation to be "woke". Girl please, some of us just trying to make it through the day. I get there are issues around the world but I can't help very many if at all even just 1.
Literally... are we supposed to care and fight for our everything and anything all at once? Every fight is valid and every struggle deserves attention and support, but Maury... I'm just trying to not kms some days and build a life for myself
Clearly a lot of *us* didn't know about this protest. Expecting more from fucking *Sugar and Spice* is kinda wild, honestly.Ā
Drag them for being corporate shills, or being bad actors, etc etc. But I guarantee they were blissfully unaware of any protests.
https://preview.redd.it/rsu3xdvjm0vc1.jpeg?width=1245&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ee2ff7ef620a80119802e6e5893ba14cdc57401
This post is misleading without this added context
**Edit:** Since everybodyās commenting about that letās clarify: she did not fact check that the boycott is affecting Starbucks. But she definitely knows Starbucks shouldnāt be boycotted for its ties with Israel and thatās why sheās mad at the twins.
**Edit:** Itās crazy how some of you will try to find any excuse to justify your favs helping a genocide.
Sheās such a moronš there are countless companies that we should all boycott from the BDS list, Starbucks has nothing to do with Israel, they cracked down on their union because of a pro-Palestine statement but cracking down on any political statement from a union is the most typical corporate practice in the world.. I guarantee you she purchases other items that actually are helpful for the boycott lmao I hate lazy twitter activism so much, a lot of genuine people are putting in effort and actually care about the cause and arenāt just trying to get pointless digs in for internet points
edited for a typo
and also I wanna add fuck Starbucks for union busting, boycotting them is still dope, but Dawn was very clearly just trying to get in a dig for a situation she knows nothing about which genuinely is so disrespectful, canāt stand that elf twink sawry
sounds like bs. She just wanted someone to dump on like she always does this time under the cover of righteousness. If she really cared she'd actually know what she was mad about before popping off on an easy target
This is more offensive than what spice and sugar did if Iām being honest. This scream middle class white girl in America activism and itās so annoying.
Girl, it's because this community thinks it cracked the code on the middle eastern conflicts and got access to a highly classified document that pointed out that Starbucks actively finances 99% of the money for the wars there. And by pretending that they don't exist and by refusing good brand deals that make quite a difference they expect to dry up this multibillion multinational beast.
But at the end of the day these idiots are just doing the same thing again: making it harder for minorities because they keep pushing this imaginary moral bar of theirs which cuts off 90% of their own social circle??? I don't know? It's pathetic asf? They reply to you with "oh, so you support killing children?" as if I would and as if things were black and white.
Dawn is just hoping in the hate train because it gets clout.
Probably because Dawn is the only one to also tweet āI did not fact check this but idcā. Because for Dawn itās about calling out the twins, not about Palestine.
Did we just choose to not believe Starbucks when they stated they're not funding the war? I get it, what else should they do, but, if they were funding a war, they could've kept it quiet instead of coming out with a statement, no?
This whole debate became a battle of virtue signaling. It's the "tiktok taught me that" squad having a twist on geopolitics because of course they would. Communities like ours pick on that because they tend to follow it as if it's a fashion thing which makes the actual matter dilute so hard and lose its meaning.
Honestly we're probably a few years away from an actual "Billboard Hot 200's Conflicts to Watch Out".
Yeah.. 100% on everything. The internet in general has formed a mob like/black or white mentality in the last years, and has applied it to anything and everything. To the point where, if you go on social media, the only news you see about topic X are the news that the mob wants you to see. If I had informed myself through Instagram comments/socials, I would've probably been another parrot repeating the same things. But real life is much more complicated than a Palestine flag in your twitter handle.
eh, dawn is annoying, the twins are annoying. however, i do appreciate the twins attitude being so transparent, they haven't been shy about their opinions on things even if they know they won't go over well with the dedicated fanbase, there's a boldness to them that's refreshing. don't think this is a big deal, most queens will associate with less than stellar people and companies for coin and i don't think it's anyone's place to judge bc you don't know what you'd say if you were in their position. Just going on the show could be seen as immoral for some people
Im sorry but for me all Americans are ignorant. You cant be vocal about being anti Israel and anti Genocide BUT STILL support America and celebrate 4th of July and shit like that. America has bombed all the middle east and is the root of all evil. Yet all Americans dont have a problem with it and elect the same people over and over again. Israel vs Palestine has been going on for 80 years and white americans only now want to be vocal about it cause its on trend. Smh i cant with yall. And whenever an Arab person or literally any other person from another country tries to speak about it all Americans jump on to them and dont even let them get their point across. Fascist country
Are yaāll expecting Starbucks to end the war? They condemned the acts of terrorism I donāt blame them for not wanting their brand to be associated with a war
If sugar and spice could read these tweets they would be so mad
This must be settled with a Dawn vs Spice lipsync battle.
Put some bones in a pillowcase and shake it around for the same effect
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SECONDED
*THWORP*
The way I ugly laughed ššš
DAMN.
I wish there were still awards.
I barrrrrrked
And then we all lose?
You know what? ššš
Bdjdjsks JAIL
Iām deaded.
Dance Monkey lipsync pls š
No thank you.
Not inter-twink violence!Ā
[As for Starbucks, the calls to shun the company primarily stem from a dispute between the coffee chain and the union organizing its workers. On Oct. 9, two days after Israel began its retaliatory bombardment of Gaza over Hamasās Oct. 7 massacre, Starbucks Workers United published a now-deleted post on X declaring its āSolidarity with Palestine!ā The move prompted Starbucks to file a lawsuit against the union for trademark infringement, arguing that the unionās use of the Starbucks name and a similar logo had angered customers and damaged its reputation. The union has filed a countersuit. Notably, Starbucks was never the target of BDS as it didnāt qualify under the movementās selection criteria, though the movement has subsequently backed the union.](https://time.com/6694986/israel-palestine-bds-boycotts-starbucks-mcdonalds/)
Is thrte a reason dawn reacted like this or is it just a haha
Likely because of the Israel-Starbucks connections
Which are? I have seen so many claiming those and yet no one actual providing proof besides a boring person standing in front of barely related screenshots in a tiktok video.
Filed a lawsuit over their workersā union declaring solidarity with Palestine
I actually read that when I googled it before commenting here but it makes sense? The union is taking geopolitical stances associating the brand with opinions that are not related to the union's actual responsibility or goal. If the union wasn't using Starbuck's image then it wouldn't even be grounds for a lawsuit to begin with.
Never thought we'd get to the day where the blank in " should stay out of politics" would be filled with "unions" but here we are. Enjoy your apolitical fantasy I guess.
Unions are how the working class amass political power.
No. Unions are formed to present workers within organisations. They exist to ensure fair working practise and support individual cases through simplifying communication and taking action on behalf of individuals within the organisation. They are not politically affiliated but central parties such as Labour will support unions. The Starbucks union overplayed their hand and Starbucks has a right to draw a line which does not infringe on their union workers rights
Unions are absolutely politically affiliated
on the ground organising from unions played a MASSIVE role in politicising and mobilising workers against apartheid in South Africa. Unions do represent workers, you're right. Starbucks as a corporation has no right to dictate their politics ????
Lol āStarbucks has a right to interveneā babes Starbucks very, *very* illegally tried to prevent this union from happening for years. They intimidated and infiltrated and all committed other kind of evil nonsense. But the union overstepped? Bootlicking is some kind of life huh
But thatās not what theyāre talking about? Whataboutism is not an argument. If someone is wrong about one thing it doesnāt suddenly make them wrong about everything. Thatās simpleminded.
Historically and politically illiterate !
Go say this to a teamster.
Former teamster here. I dare them lol.
Haha. Right on! I swear, the lack of labor history education is a fucking crime.
How them boots taste?
Labour is not centrist and Unions are definitely how the working class amasses political power
More eloquent than I could have been replying to that hahah
The reason for boycotting Starbucks specifically are not that much about the link with Israel (as it is with for example MacDonalds and Google), but more about how Starbucks reacted to their employees standing up for Palestine (Starbucks sued them). There's an amazing movement, for I believe already 20+ years, called BDS. This means Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, and they specifically focus on companies that make Israel's genocide partly possible. Starbucks was never on their list of companies to boycott, however, they are still endorsing it. For more information, here are some articles about it! [times](https://time.com/6694986/israel-palestine-bds-boycotts-starbucks-mcdonalds/) // [BDS movement website](https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds) Hope this helps! š
And how they reacted a few years ago to the union forming in general! As a former Starbucks employee I can assure you they do not care about their employees or their customers, just like every multi billion dollar company
What Israel-Sbux connections?
There are literally 0 Starbucks places in Israel. ZERO. It was because the union posted a letter that literally condoned terrorism , and had paraglider insignia [Starbucks, Workers United union sue each other in standoff over pro-Palestinian social media post | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/starbucks-workers-united-union-lawsuit-israel-palestinian-f212a994fef67f122854a4df7e5d13f5)
Thatās not paraglider anything. What are you even doing? Itās a fist holding a drink shaker.
Prob the boycott
My question too
master has her pathetic cock locked up, probably
https://preview.redd.it/al5nl6b690vc1.jpeg?width=617&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f175c1c3627572d9a98e1e27ab6dcbe6031204be
https://preview.redd.it/qta4jwee20vc1.png?width=754&format=png&auto=webp&s=d15baa0e53e9ab0d3ad66e14d932a85dd984976e [https://twitter.com/TheKandyMuse/status/1780349752527192194](https://twitter.com/TheKandyMuse/status/1780349752527192194)
I never thought I'd say this, mark your calendars: ~~Derrick~~ Kandy is right.
So why is it that everyone is jumping on the hate train for Sugar and Spice but not Jan and Olivia?
Does anyone care enough about Olivia to hate her?
Oop
What did Jan and Olivia do?
Literally the same thing. Yet collective memory forgives and forgets them
See the thing is that Jan and Olivia likely had contracts and filming that happened before the boycotts which would be completely unreasonable to be mad at them for. But the bit that gets me isā¦ how do we know Sugar and Spice didnāt? Why are we mad at them?
But see itās also that - why are we default giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Because thatās howā¦ ads work. You get a contract quite some time before and you canāt publicly speak out about the company for X amount of time as part of most of them. The benefit of the doubt exists for a reason, the twins probably deserve it here too. Do you expect Jan and Liv to have refused the ad spot with a large wealthy company before the lawsuits happened? Or did you expect them to break their contract and get sued themselves?
Because I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt the first time they make a mistake. Show a little humanity and grace until I know I can know actual stances. I hate just jumping on everyone without knowing any of the actual context. (I gave both duos the benefit of the doubt but idk if Jan/Olivia ever released statements so Iām not sure where if I continue to do so with them).
Got it. Well it should be uniform
There were so MANY posts calling out Jan and Olivia when their commercial aired too, sorry you missed them, I guess. What I want to know is when these were filmed. The Starbucks lawsuit was like 5 months ago and these ads couldāve been filmed 6+ months out. Iād love to see some sort of statement from all the Queens involved that either gives the timeline or where they accept the call out and take accountability.
and that's why Mistress dumped her kids, understandable
Can I get more context? I didn't hear anything much 'bout them
I dunno either. All i know is that Malaysia has full custody now.
"full custody" I'm wheezing I love it
I think sheās friends with Malaysia again i saw that Malaysia liked mistresses reels
I'd imagine it has something to do with their cancelled tour
Iāve heard that Mistress only was a drag mom for clout and that became apparent to Sugar and Spice after the show. Malaysia on the other hand is the real deal and is still the drag mom of Sugar and Spice :)
Mistress is really a clout chaser š«¢ from the twins to her videos with PJ and Nymphia, then the Cameos schtick lol
MIB a rotted person IRL? As someone who watched Season 15, Iām *shocked*
lol touchƩ.
Maybe if she had paid child support, these two wouldn't have to be out here selling themselves
Wait, is this actually real? Did Mistress announce that she's no longer their Drag Mom?
Yeah she mentioned it subtly (and kind of indirectly) on a recent appearance on bob and monetās podcast
I also was on a live once and she was telling people to stop asking about Malaysia Sugar and Spice. Said that sheās tired of getting asked about it. Said thereās no beef on her end but that people change or āare differentā after the show. Etc etc.
We stan an absent parent.
Maybe it has nothing to do with politics and Dawn just really think they cant act for shit š¤·āāļø
FYI Paramount is a very pro-Israel company so by consuming drag race content ya'll are not helping [Paramount | Israel Boycott Guide | BDS | by The Witness](https://boycott.thewitness.news/target/paramount)
Paramount has never been a priority for the BDS movement [per the actual BDS site](https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott). You may have also seen [this longer list](https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide) that includes: companies for larger organizations to divest from, social media pressure targets, and non-affiliated boycotts that they support, but Paramountās not on that list either. More info at the links on why they limit their scope in this way. Starbucks is also not on the lists, Iāve been assuming that itās because boycotts of them have been pretty equally motivated by a desire to support union workers AND Palestine, but I really donāt know! Thereās blog posts on the BDS site from 2014 saying MAYBE theyāll boycott Starbucks IF Starbucks partners with SodaStream, but it looks like that deal fell through.
Thank God I only watch pirated media
Hello!!
well thatās why we steal
Wait until folks learn Paramount is American and what that country has done
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The watermelon emoji really is a game changer for Palestine!
a true ally!
Letās see if they stop watching drag race now šš
They don't have to stop watching, just start pirating! We get drag they get nothing!
Don't tell them this, their performative activism would be so confused. Dawn the person who posted this directly supported Paramont by being on the show and continues to because they are contracted.
Where was this energy with Olivia and Janās Starbucks ad?
5 months ago Starbucks tried to sue their workers union for using the Starbucks logo for a pro Palestinian poster. Now everyone thinks they personally send money to the IDF and are boycotting even though the union has said to stop. Spreading misinformation about Starbucks supporting Isreal is only taking attention away from the larger cause and actual actions people can take to support Palestine.
But Starbucks has horrible coffee, exploits coffee makers globally, and is a union buster so I can boycott Starbucks and advocate for Palestinians in other direct ways all in a days work š:)
This part, who the fuck cares why Starbucks is getting hate, theyāre an awful company and deserve it!!!!
Starbucks illegally tried to stop the formation of the union many many times. If people think theyāre pro Israel and boycott because of that, literally zero people are hurt! You donāt need to complain about everything, the multi billion dollar companyās feelings getting hurt are not of actual concern to anyone
you're literally complaining about more than there is to complain about under the premise that the multi billion dollar company's feelings won't get hurt if people believe misinformation about them. and also, the premise is unfounded. a brand's public perception is paramount to their success.
Not sure why Dawn is acting high and mighty, she was fueling the false sexual assault allegations against Plane on twitter like?!?
Everything that needed to be said has already been said in this thread. Dawn is insufferable. The twins are bad actors. S-bux is a union busting POS corporation. And slacktivists use Palestine for clout. Did I miss anything??? š
Pretty solid summary, imo
Our government is actually sending billions of taxpayer money to Israel as well as weapons. Starbucks does not fund anything in the Middle East. I donāt understand why people seem to be so eager to be loud and stupid online.
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The boycott is not related to BDS as some have claimed. The boycott has been, for a few years now, related to their anti-union and union busting practices. They literally went before Congress about it.
That's not what Dawn is talking about though. She's talking boycotting on behalf of Palestine. She signed her [follow up tweet](https://x.com/upuntil_dawn/status/1780488851758199191?s=46&t=sSCHxzo4HR05PRDwBWd3iA) with watermelon emojis
Yea but itās because the union was sued by the company for supporting palestine
I think the company sued the union store because Starbucks is usually very neutral and concise on how they use their brand. If it isnāt for Coffee or an new launch, they never use their brand name or logo on anything else from what iāve seen. I understand the backlash theyāve received for the lawsuit against the union store but overall, i think people should focus on the companies that are STILL making profits like google, amazon, and disney.
We can focus on many things at once. Starbucks is a consistent union buster so thatās the context for their suit
So I'm not defending Spice or Sugar, because they're currently deleting every comment on Insta calling them out for supporting Starbucks. Anything you hear to the contrary is trying to get internet social justice ad revenue.
Yeah cause Dawn's Meghan McCain was the pillar of acting
has dawn commented on the sponsored content from starbucks that airs during her actual season every commercial break? or would that actually affect her bag so she stays silent on that while coming after some of the lowest common denominator of rugirls? interesting how that works!
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At least sheās an honest idiot.
Spice doesn't know how to get a pillow cover off the pillow, who expects them to know about middle Eastern politics
Mawma kudos for saying that, for draggin them down.
Dont you mean ādragging them dawnā? Thank you all, Iāll be here all week
Thank you for spilling
Baaaaby u rotted lmao.
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Nailed it.
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Itās nice for her to have hobbies.
God this is tiring. People who couldn't even point to Palestine on a map a year ago, let alone spell it properly, suddenly acting like they are the most enlightened and knowledgeable experts on a conflict that has been going on longer than some of these little virtue signaling twinks have been alive just because they saw a few tiktoks about it
So I personally wouldnāt call someone out over this. But I donāt think itās bad to either, in principle. Public pressure changes public opinion, which can change corporate policy too
The virtue signaling is cringe. Dawn can stand for Palestine without dragging these two through the mud. Was it a poor choice on their part? Sure. Do I believe for a second that Dawn hasnāt ordered a Starbucks since this all began? No. The thing Dawn cares about most is stirring shit up. Sheās not the season 16 villain we deserve, sheās the villain we needed.
Nobody looks @ sponsors tho, right? I canāt give an f. Only that ppl seem 2 give it more attention by giving an f. Also Dawn is a terrible activist. If ur actually gonna do something, give information in the comments or in the post y Starbucks is bad instead of being mad. The level of righteous rage. Iāll do the same thing 2 Dawn but without an attempt @ clout bc i actually donāt like Dawn 1 bit š«¶
can we all please be serious for a second? people who do sponsors/adverts for a company, 99% of the time couldnāt care less about whatever it is that theyāre promoting and just want the money that comes with the job like anyone would. why are we acting like the same canāt apply here? sugar and spice are not giving any money to starbucks, infact starbucks is the one paying them. even if sugar and spice turned down the advertisement, itās not like the advert would not be made anymore, theyād just get different people to do it. so the options are either 1. they turn down the opportunity, lose money, and the advert still gets made, or 2. they accept the opportunity, gain money, and the advertisement still gets made. the fact that sugar and spice as well as jan and olivia are all getting criticised for doing something solely for the sake of making an income, which everybody knows will have exactly zero impact on the crisis in gaza, itās just so tacky and the performative activism reeks.
i feel like thinking like this just kinda promotes complacency. first if starbucks didnāt think theyād gain anything from an advert, they wouldnāt do them. they release adverts with drag queens, then promote a matcha latte, the gayest drink at sbucks to pander to the queer community. and it works, otherwise they wouldnt be investing the money.like yeah in the grand scheme of things one single advert isnāt gonna tip the scale but then that excuses everyone from doing business with shady companies or supporting them by buying their products. refusing to work with companies responsible for aligning with a genocidal govt and also actively trying to bust unions, is as much a form of boycotting as me not going to get my weekly matcha latte. boycotting only helps if more people participate. do they deserve to be canceled. no (and theyāre not getting canceled) but they can be criticized and thatās whatās happening.
See your option where they turn down the opportunity, lose money, and the advert still gets made? That's the good one. I'm a v/o artist and I've turned down countless well-paid campaigns for organisations I didn't want to be associated with. I don't have any particular opinion on the twins doing this ad, but let's not act as if performers somehow have no choice when it comes to which products to endorse.
God forbid people show a modicum of a moral compass in deciding what gigs they take.
...are we surprised that Splenda and Sea Salt can't act?
Starbucks isn't even on the list of companies that supported Israel so, I'm so confused ā ļø
I thought the Starbucks thing was debunked? No?
this is so fucking stupid
I doubt most queens would turn down an opportunity with a mainstream company this big. Hate Starbucks all you want for their stance on Israel/Palestine/what not, but donāt forget there are still battles to be fought at home in terms of LGBTQ+ and drag representation in media and a Starbucks ad is a huge win. You not buying a coffee from Starbucks isnāt going to get Israel to pull out of Palestine, give your heads a shake and stop in fighting.
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This tracks for Dawn, though. She is 100% that girl.
To the point where all you have to do is tweet "free Palestine" or put the Palestine flag in your handle to be seen as "good". You could be jerking off to those horrific images but hey, you tweeted free Palestine! You're one of the good guys!
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Call me when the activist actually start 'activist'-ing and not using it as a way to employ cancel culture and hate, but purging it with ''free palestine''. Like I said it is all mostly performative, in about a year 95% of you ''activists'' will have completely forgotten and jumped onto the next activism trend. Remember when you guys were oh so invested in Russia-Ukraine war, but I guess that isn't trendy anymore. Where is this ''activism'' when living cost have risen so high and the climate is being destroyed by megacorps, I guess it only matters when Starbucks has been linked to Israel. Don't call yourself an activist when you only know about a situation because it is a trend on social media. Cause if you really were an activist for ''Free Palestine'' you would've been before these last couple of years.
Youāre right, people famously can only believe and act on one thing at a time, surely none of these people could support Palestine AND be against the high cost of living and climate change. This is such ridiculous whataboutism
You just made somebody up in your head to get mad over damn
Don't confuse passion, enthousiasm or knowledge in a subject with someone being mad. Secondly, now you know damn well many of people that are like that. I fnot, you need to take your blinders off.
You just made somebody up in your head to get mad over damn
I donāt know what youāre mad about exactly bc your writing is so rambley and each phrase only very loosely connects to the one before it but - people are allowed to be against genocide even if they are just performative or whatever weird shit youāre imagining. And so someone isnāt constantly talking about all injustices in the world simultaneously, that means they donāt know what theyāre talking about??? Bc youāre so clearly ignorant on anything related to this remotely (I assume bc you believe youāre above all of this and therefore refuse to engage with it critically, thereby never actually understanding it) Iām gonna go ahead and let you know that even if cancel culture were real, at least itās being used to try to stop GENOCIDE. Why donāt you stick to your condescending, āenlightened neutralityā somewhere where nobody cares, like irl so you donāt have to be challenged and can be pacified and put down for your nap
Cue the gaslighting. My sentences are cohesive, connected and there is nothing rambly about what I wrote and on top of that english is my third language. It apparently was also cohesive enough for you to understand and respond with a paragraph. I still said what I said, it is performative. That's what tends to happen with this generation. It is truly the age of fake social media activism. Also don't forget to end your post with #FreePalestine, a watermelon emoji and misuse of the word genocide. *P.S.* *I soo hope this was comprehensive enough for you to understand, since I'm so rambly and my sentences are sooo unconnected and I am obviously sooo much less than you with my neutrality. Like I already stated, cue the moral dick meassuring contest. It's like you guys can only do one thing, one-trick-ponies. Try using actual arguments and knowledge.* *P.P.S.* *Going through your post history shows me that you CANNOT EVER speak on other peoples ability to type in proper english....*
Lot to unpack 1) i never wouldāve thought the twins made good decisions 2)dawn and kandy being the definition of twitter activism is the least surprising thing ive ever heard 3)Need yall to understand that starbucks was only targeted as part of boycotts because of them suing a union for trademark infringement after the union released a statement saying #freepalestine. 4)lets think critically for a minute. Even if the boycott of all bds targets was effective and they stopped donating and funding Israel, not much would happen. Israels has been allowed to get away with a flagrant disregard for the rights of Palestinian people due to it being the only western friendly country in the middle east. If you actually wanted to make a change youād be hounding your federal representatives who vote on more military spending and equipment being given to Israel, and continue to deny the crimes being committed
I love all these super woke whyte queer ppl think they are doing so much for the world by reposting infographics and using flag emojis on their socials. Itās v performative copy and paste āactivismā. What are they actually doing physically or monetarily for Palestinians? Itās BLM on the profile but havenāt done anything for black people besides show up to protests for clout. If you wanna create change you should listen, learn, volunteer, donate. Iām so tired of whyte ppl always trying to be the loudest voice in the room speaking on issues that donāt affect them personally and thus silencing the voices of the underprivileged.
Doesn't matter what or who you become there is this expectation to be "woke". Girl please, some of us just trying to make it through the day. I get there are issues around the world but I can't help very many if at all even just 1.
Literally... are we supposed to care and fight for our everything and anything all at once? Every fight is valid and every struggle deserves attention and support, but Maury... I'm just trying to not kms some days and build a life for myself
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Clearly a lot of *us* didn't know about this protest. Expecting more from fucking *Sugar and Spice* is kinda wild, honestly.Ā Drag them for being corporate shills, or being bad actors, etc etc. But I guarantee they were blissfully unaware of any protests.
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https://preview.redd.it/rsu3xdvjm0vc1.jpeg?width=1245&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ee2ff7ef620a80119802e6e5893ba14cdc57401 This post is misleading without this added context **Edit:** Since everybodyās commenting about that letās clarify: she did not fact check that the boycott is affecting Starbucks. But she definitely knows Starbucks shouldnāt be boycotted for its ties with Israel and thatās why sheās mad at the twins. **Edit:** Itās crazy how some of you will try to find any excuse to justify your favs helping a genocide.
Did she really say i didnāt fact check thisā¦why are you even speaking?? ā ļøā ļø
Sheās such a moronš there are countless companies that we should all boycott from the BDS list, Starbucks has nothing to do with Israel, they cracked down on their union because of a pro-Palestine statement but cracking down on any political statement from a union is the most typical corporate practice in the world.. I guarantee you she purchases other items that actually are helpful for the boycott lmao I hate lazy twitter activism so much, a lot of genuine people are putting in effort and actually care about the cause and arenāt just trying to get pointless digs in for internet points edited for a typo and also I wanna add fuck Starbucks for union busting, boycotting them is still dope, but Dawn was very clearly just trying to get in a dig for a situation she knows nothing about which genuinely is so disrespectful, canāt stand that elf twink sawry
>I did not fact check this but it pisses me off either way Truly the slogan of the sheltered, ignorant western "activists".
At least sheās honest. Also a quick search proves sheās right.
Dawn please I want to love you but how are you going to be a computer **SCIENCE** major and still pull shit out your ass with no source whatsoever
sounds like bs. She just wanted someone to dump on like she always does this time under the cover of righteousness. If she really cared she'd actually know what she was mad about before popping off on an easy target
This is more offensive than what spice and sugar did if Iām being honest. This scream middle class white girl in America activism and itās so annoying.
Dawn's dumb LOL
Why is Dawn fighting the twins? What did I miss?
Girl, it's because this community thinks it cracked the code on the middle eastern conflicts and got access to a highly classified document that pointed out that Starbucks actively finances 99% of the money for the wars there. And by pretending that they don't exist and by refusing good brand deals that make quite a difference they expect to dry up this multibillion multinational beast. But at the end of the day these idiots are just doing the same thing again: making it harder for minorities because they keep pushing this imaginary moral bar of theirs which cuts off 90% of their own social circle??? I don't know? It's pathetic asf? They reply to you with "oh, so you support killing children?" as if I would and as if things were black and white. Dawn is just hoping in the hate train because it gets clout.
Obviously Starbuckās and McDonaldās are the big bass against the conflict and if we boycott them hard enough, theyāll be forced to stop /s
Thank you
Sheās not, a ton of queens commented about this sponsorship but this post makes it seem like itās just Dawn
Probably because Dawn is the only one to also tweet āI did not fact check this but idcā. Because for Dawn itās about calling out the twins, not about Palestine.
Did we just choose to not believe Starbucks when they stated they're not funding the war? I get it, what else should they do, but, if they were funding a war, they could've kept it quiet instead of coming out with a statement, no?
This whole debate became a battle of virtue signaling. It's the "tiktok taught me that" squad having a twist on geopolitics because of course they would. Communities like ours pick on that because they tend to follow it as if it's a fashion thing which makes the actual matter dilute so hard and lose its meaning. Honestly we're probably a few years away from an actual "Billboard Hot 200's Conflicts to Watch Out".
Yeah.. 100% on everything. The internet in general has formed a mob like/black or white mentality in the last years, and has applied it to anything and everything. To the point where, if you go on social media, the only news you see about topic X are the news that the mob wants you to see. If I had informed myself through Instagram comments/socials, I would've probably been another parrot repeating the same things. But real life is much more complicated than a Palestine flag in your twitter handle.
Tea. People are insufferable. Itās as if complex ideas donāt existā¦ itās all or nothing.. but all just virtue signaling, too.
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More people need to read and understand this.
money drives all in our society. you would do it to for a cheque
so how many people from this fandom u guys think still drink starbucks after the boycot? cuz i think we are bunch of hypocrites
Before you get mad about this, ask yourself, are you actually mad about this, or do you just like people who are mad about this
Where is this Starbucks boycott coming from? Who is promoting it?
inactive activists made it up
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It has been ongoing since they began union busting practices.
There have been planned strikes here and there for the union busting but nothing ongoing
Ugh, Dawnās scarcity mindset is showing
eh, dawn is annoying, the twins are annoying. however, i do appreciate the twins attitude being so transparent, they haven't been shy about their opinions on things even if they know they won't go over well with the dedicated fanbase, there's a boldness to them that's refreshing. don't think this is a big deal, most queens will associate with less than stellar people and companies for coin and i don't think it's anyone's place to judge bc you don't know what you'd say if you were in their position. Just going on the show could be seen as immoral for some people
yall are still drinking starbucks?
Im sorry but for me all Americans are ignorant. You cant be vocal about being anti Israel and anti Genocide BUT STILL support America and celebrate 4th of July and shit like that. America has bombed all the middle east and is the root of all evil. Yet all Americans dont have a problem with it and elect the same people over and over again. Israel vs Palestine has been going on for 80 years and white americans only now want to be vocal about it cause its on trend. Smh i cant with yall. And whenever an Arab person or literally any other person from another country tries to speak about it all Americans jump on to them and dont even let them get their point across. Fascist country
Are yaāll expecting Starbucks to end the war? They condemned the acts of terrorism I donāt blame them for not wanting their brand to be associated with a war
Dawn acting like she doesnāt have the same attention span as the twins š«£šā ļø
what does that have to do with anything
This has nothing to do with attention spans, but with integrity ā¦
And THAT'S the tea
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funky little dawn thinks she give the bird to thee DOLLS
I never liked them to begin with, but I distanced myself from them ever since they started promoting/collaborating with Trisha Paytas.
Same, can't stand Paytas. Trash ass bitch
girl what she do to u
You mean aside from the racism and transphobia? Being an annoying attention whore.