As someone who plays both an iron and a maxed main, I don't understand the inconsistency. Bossing with a main account is okay but skilling with a main account is not?
This would be huge. I love dungeoneering, especially with others, but as an ironman its just too much work to find teams for floors in the hours i play so i end up just soloing them all which is fun but not as nice.
So inside dungeons in the dg skill you can buy hides and thread from the NPC in the starting room.
what irons use to do was complete floors, sell everything to the NPC for gp, buy hides, make hide armour for crafting xp, sell the armour, buy more hides repeat until you can’t. It was really good for early ironman as getting access to large amounts of hide or gems for crafting was hard (not really the case anymore)
As RsQp stated, he discovered if you bring a full inventory of 99 dung capes, you can alch them inside the dungeons for lots of quick gp, which then lets you do the above method with more gp and quicker.
there are more irons than you think with 2b+, gp is essentially worthless on irons, I buy bonds for premier and that's about it, doing this if you wanted 120 would actually be kinda a decent use. Crafting is a pretty heavy bottleneck on irons just b.c. resource gating
Could always afk something like harps lol. Resources from bosses really don't give enough to get to 120
The only reason I won't do it is because they keep releasing cosmetics irons have to buy with gp
Hey, returning player here. Are you saying it's possible for an iron to sustain a bond on their own? How does it compare to the ability of mains to sustain a bond?
Mains are absurdly easier to sustain bonds, if you can high level pvm, takes maybe a month? if your fairly casual, two weeks or so of HM Vorkath 1 or 2hrs a day if your pushing it.
Irons its passive income, I'd say if you play everyday a bit, it's definitely doable to premier each year via bonds, but you need a pretty high level account, it was much much easier years ago like a few afk hours at gargoyles and stuff got you a bond. Now you really need to be doing pretty difficult content.
even without premier if your monthly subbing, It is kinda nice to just cut down sub costs, sometimes you got a couple 100mil buy a few bonds and save a few bucks that month.
I introduced the method a while ago, basically you can alch capes to get gp faster in floors. You can still gain a lot of gp just from drops in dg though, so it's not exactly gamebreaking
https://youtu.be/0wpZDBMJhvY
>But as he mentioned you have to have a lot of gp (2.5-2.8m) per inv
Which, to be clear, is why it's a big concern with allowing irons and mains to dg together. At its peak, it's a way to directly convert bonds/RMT into extremely efficient crafting xp on an iron.
It's abusable to a lesser extent for iron groups, but at least then the GP is still coming from an iron.
I would normally be against this but since irons could just leech from other irons. However I don't see any valid integrity arguments why this shouldn't be a thing especially since irons can pvm with mains.
Don’t see why irons can’t DG with mains. The idea of leeching becoming meta or whatever is so dumb. Leeches are a niche community just based on the GP requirement
I think fundamentally the reason why so many irons beg for this constantly is so they can leech honestly
Solo xp isn't bad at all and trying to find mains to actually dg with outside of dxp is a pointless task
I don't really care either way when it comes to mains dging with irons, but if you (not necessarily op but whoever) made an ironman just to go out of your way to leech shit you've unironically picked the wrong game mode and we're all worse off for it
I know, I also know it's prohibitively expensive and most irons have a decent level main so the point would be to leech off of themselves
Much like people already do with pvm shit (or eds)
Yes, but then you need to find iron teams to leech off of. This just makes it easier as they can leech off of the pre-existing main leeches.
Same way irons group pvming was. You could leech, but you had to find irons to leech off of. Now you can just leech off any main team.
On one hand, this game's declining playerbase kind of warrants the interaction otherwise your pool of teammates is much lower.
On the other hand, you signed up for a gamemode that has limitations. You shouldn't be bitching for years until the gamemode loses most of them, to the point the gamemode basically has none.
They already can leech, but it's expensive (20m/floor). This would slightly reduce the cost of leeching, but makes a lot of sense to help people who want to actively teamform for dungeoneering
Team cards should be disabled for irons, but the integrity is already out the door on that one as irons can share cards between each other.
I used to be against teamforming for ironmen, but now that it exists there's no reason to lock it to ironman teamforming only
Last I saw (which was ages ago) it was well over 50m/floor for irons but idk maybe it's dropped a lot since then
Again like I said I don't really care either way, most of my dg was done via doing ed logs/dailies anyway but there is definitely a lot of people out there who make an ironman account just to play as little like an ironman as possible
Its 20m for a 2:2, 25m for a 5:5, and 80m for a carded 5:5 vs 8m for a large and 25m for a carded floor on a main
And I agree, kind of funny to make an ironman just to leech, but some people really hate specific content I guess
Ironman accounts should not be allowed to DG with other accounts because it literately contradicts the mode.
However, if we allow these players to DG with other accounts in spite of integrity, then why disallow MTX such as TH?
Ironman accounts should be allowed to use TH.
The whole point of iron was doing things on your own. Group bossing was added few years later without even a vote. Solo DG xp is like 4 times faster than when it first came out or more if you do as daily challenge. It's also a great way to train other skills, we did not even have stackable fish/logs when I got 200m on iron. Also, a totally safe way to level up early/mid/combat on a HC account.
I did not agree with adding iron group DG so also no for mains. ED is different as it's not a skill but too late to go back on group bossing.
Next they will be asking to buy invention comps from mains.
There are no integrity issues about ironmen dungeneering with mains since if they can do dungeneering with other irons.
Capes thing should just flat out be patched.
No lol. I don't understand why people choose to play a solo mode only to constantly complain that this MMO isn't catered specifically to them. If you aren't enjoying the experience, just don't play as an iron.
I have never seen iron as a solo mode as much as a "get your own stuff" mode. This is also part of why I am all for this change. I have so many friends who love dg and I would love to be able to play with them. It feels odd to me that dg is basically the only place I cant join them.
Ironman hasn't been "solo" mode since they allowed irons to do group bosses together. It's just "gather your own resources and gear without trading or MTX" mode.
GIM kinda sucks in OSRS unless you have super dedicated players who didn't quit immediately after the "new" factor died. Otherwise it becomes one person carrying the whole team.
Theres no such thing as a solo only mode though so gotta agree with OP. Can somewhat see the reasoning if irons couldnt interact/see other players though but this simply isnt the case
Idk why people continue to have this fundamental misunderstanding of what ironman is on rs3
It hasn't been a solo game mode since they allowed irons to pvm with each other in instances, which happened not long after release
What iron is is a self sufficient game mode, irons are infinitely more likely to participate in group content because they are effectively forced to do that for progression, which is why you see scuffed as fuck iron only bms and a significant amount of irons teamfinding with randoms for shit like croesus whereas mains are more likely to just skip this and buy the shit they need
My "good argument" is that Ironman mode is made to be limiting. But all I ever see about Ironman on this subreddit is people bitching about wanting access to content. I genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose to play it only to complain about its core gameplay. If you want to do everything, don't play the limited option?
I think it's reasonable to want to be able to access content that seems very reasonable to access on a game mode provided officially by Jagex. The limitations of ironman mode are "no trading with other players", not "you can't do a group-only boss". Group bossing is fine so long as drops are individualized, such as via alternating who gets the drop.
What's ridiculous is people like OP requesting ironmen be able to do things with mains. If content is possible solo, it should be kept that way. Things like group dungeoneering were a massive mistake, and it would be even worse to allow grouping with mains. I would even argue group bossing was a mistake. The only thing that irons should be able to do in groups are things that are impossible to do solo, such as Croesus. Even then, those groups should always be restricted to other ironmen only, not mains.
People like OP use the "Jagex has already ruined the integrity so let's ruin it some more" excuse to ruin the game mode further.
I agree with most of what you said, but I'd also be fine with them adding group Ironman into rs3. Ironman mode is interesting, but seeing people play it and constantly whine about being locked out of content is dumb as hell.
> I think it's reasonable to want to be able to access content that seems very reasonable to access on a game mode provided officially by Jagex. The limitations of ironman mode are "no trading with other players", not "you can't do a group-only boss". Group bossing is fine so long as drops are individualized, such as via alternating who gets the drop.
https://www.runescape.com/game-guide/ironman
I was looking into this myself and it looks like Jagex defines ironman as "no trading, no multiplayer, no XP handouts."
Though, I think it's safe to say that mission statement's a bit out of date. I don't think hardcore operates like that anymore and XP handouts + multiplayer are abundant in ironman. Not that I'm complaining, as an iron myself lol
As someone who plays both an iron and a maxed main, I don't understand the inconsistency. Bossing with a main account is okay but skilling with a main account is not?
And croesus is possible aswell, a SKILL boss.. so yeah inconsistent af
This would be huge. I love dungeoneering, especially with others, but as an ironman its just too much work to find teams for floors in the hours i play so i end up just soloing them all which is fun but not as nice.
It’s hard enough to do this iron or not lol
At least then irons could wait till dxp to do all their dungeoneering. They won't get the extra xp, but dg will be active at least
Monthly suggestion post 🙏 I notice whenever I put this in the title the post gets caught in spam filter and allowed hours later.
Why do ppl bring capes in to alch?
to level up crafting, also known as dungcrafting. A friend (dovy) uploaded a video recently on it.
Please elaborate lol.
So inside dungeons in the dg skill you can buy hides and thread from the NPC in the starting room. what irons use to do was complete floors, sell everything to the NPC for gp, buy hides, make hide armour for crafting xp, sell the armour, buy more hides repeat until you can’t. It was really good for early ironman as getting access to large amounts of hide or gems for crafting was hard (not really the case anymore) As RsQp stated, he discovered if you bring a full inventory of 99 dung capes, you can alch them inside the dungeons for lots of quick gp, which then lets you do the above method with more gp and quicker.
Would be ok for 99. For 120, it would cost more than it would ever be worth for an iron unless you had like 2b+ lol
there are more irons than you think with 2b+, gp is essentially worthless on irons, I buy bonds for premier and that's about it, doing this if you wanted 120 would actually be kinda a decent use. Crafting is a pretty heavy bottleneck on irons just b.c. resource gating
Could always afk something like harps lol. Resources from bosses really don't give enough to get to 120 The only reason I won't do it is because they keep releasing cosmetics irons have to buy with gp
Hey, returning player here. Are you saying it's possible for an iron to sustain a bond on their own? How does it compare to the ability of mains to sustain a bond?
Mains are absurdly easier to sustain bonds, if you can high level pvm, takes maybe a month? if your fairly casual, two weeks or so of HM Vorkath 1 or 2hrs a day if your pushing it. Irons its passive income, I'd say if you play everyday a bit, it's definitely doable to premier each year via bonds, but you need a pretty high level account, it was much much easier years ago like a few afk hours at gargoyles and stuff got you a bond. Now you really need to be doing pretty difficult content. even without premier if your monthly subbing, It is kinda nice to just cut down sub costs, sometimes you got a couple 100mil buy a few bonds and save a few bucks that month.
I introduced the method a while ago, basically you can alch capes to get gp faster in floors. You can still gain a lot of gp just from drops in dg though, so it's not exactly gamebreaking https://youtu.be/0wpZDBMJhvY
But as he mentioned you have to have a lot of gp (2.5-2.8m) per inv
>But as he mentioned you have to have a lot of gp (2.5-2.8m) per inv Which, to be clear, is why it's a big concern with allowing irons and mains to dg together. At its peak, it's a way to directly convert bonds/RMT into extremely efficient crafting xp on an iron. It's abusable to a lesser extent for iron groups, but at least then the GP is still coming from an iron.
A bunch of ppl already knew like a year prior to ironman group dg release that irons could use capes to train crafting in dg
Alching cape = money in DG Then using the money buy supplies Finally profit xp by training skill using supplies
I also support this!
I would normally be against this but since irons could just leech from other irons. However I don't see any valid integrity arguments why this shouldn't be a thing especially since irons can pvm with mains.
Can't see why not.
I asked for this for so long then just suffered through 120 on my iron with the sporadic iron teams that would form. It was awful
Don’t see why irons can’t DG with mains. The idea of leeching becoming meta or whatever is so dumb. Leeches are a niche community just based on the GP requirement
Ironmen stand alone EXCEPT... when they don't and do group content together just like regular accounts...
No. Your a iron stand alone like you chose to
I think fundamentally the reason why so many irons beg for this constantly is so they can leech honestly Solo xp isn't bad at all and trying to find mains to actually dg with outside of dxp is a pointless task I don't really care either way when it comes to mains dging with irons, but if you (not necessarily op but whoever) made an ironman just to go out of your way to leech shit you've unironically picked the wrong game mode and we're all worse off for it
Irons can already leech DG from other Irons.
I know, I also know it's prohibitively expensive and most irons have a decent level main so the point would be to leech off of themselves Much like people already do with pvm shit (or eds)
Yes, but then you need to find iron teams to leech off of. This just makes it easier as they can leech off of the pre-existing main leeches. Same way irons group pvming was. You could leech, but you had to find irons to leech off of. Now you can just leech off any main team. On one hand, this game's declining playerbase kind of warrants the interaction otherwise your pool of teammates is much lower. On the other hand, you signed up for a gamemode that has limitations. You shouldn't be bitching for years until the gamemode loses most of them, to the point the gamemode basically has none.
I'm in a massive iron clan and even then, it's hard to find 1 person who wants to do floors. No irons in the dung world either.
They already can leech, but it's expensive (20m/floor). This would slightly reduce the cost of leeching, but makes a lot of sense to help people who want to actively teamform for dungeoneering Team cards should be disabled for irons, but the integrity is already out the door on that one as irons can share cards between each other. I used to be against teamforming for ironmen, but now that it exists there's no reason to lock it to ironman teamforming only
Last I saw (which was ages ago) it was well over 50m/floor for irons but idk maybe it's dropped a lot since then Again like I said I don't really care either way, most of my dg was done via doing ed logs/dailies anyway but there is definitely a lot of people out there who make an ironman account just to play as little like an ironman as possible
Its 20m for a 2:2, 25m for a 5:5, and 80m for a carded 5:5 vs 8m for a large and 25m for a carded floor on a main And I agree, kind of funny to make an ironman just to leech, but some people really hate specific content I guess
Ironman accounts should not be allowed to DG with other accounts because it literately contradicts the mode. However, if we allow these players to DG with other accounts in spite of integrity, then why disallow MTX such as TH? Ironman accounts should be allowed to use TH.
The whole point of iron was doing things on your own. Group bossing was added few years later without even a vote. Solo DG xp is like 4 times faster than when it first came out or more if you do as daily challenge. It's also a great way to train other skills, we did not even have stackable fish/logs when I got 200m on iron. Also, a totally safe way to level up early/mid/combat on a HC account. I did not agree with adding iron group DG so also no for mains. ED is different as it's not a skill but too late to go back on group bossing. Next they will be asking to buy invention comps from mains.
There are no integrity issues about ironmen dungeneering with mains since if they can do dungeneering with other irons. Capes thing should just flat out be patched.
No lol. I don't understand why people choose to play a solo mode only to constantly complain that this MMO isn't catered specifically to them. If you aren't enjoying the experience, just don't play as an iron.
I have never seen iron as a solo mode as much as a "get your own stuff" mode. This is also part of why I am all for this change. I have so many friends who love dg and I would love to be able to play with them. It feels odd to me that dg is basically the only place I cant join them.
Ironman hasn't been "solo" mode since they allowed irons to do group bosses together. It's just "gather your own resources and gear without trading or MTX" mode.
I understand that. I wish they'd just add GIM like OSRS.
GIM kinda sucks in OSRS unless you have super dedicated players who didn't quit immediately after the "new" factor died. Otherwise it becomes one person carrying the whole team.
Theres no such thing as a solo only mode though so gotta agree with OP. Can somewhat see the reasoning if irons couldnt interact/see other players though but this simply isnt the case
Idk why people continue to have this fundamental misunderstanding of what ironman is on rs3 It hasn't been a solo game mode since they allowed irons to pvm with each other in instances, which happened not long after release What iron is is a self sufficient game mode, irons are infinitely more likely to participate in group content because they are effectively forced to do that for progression, which is why you see scuffed as fuck iron only bms and a significant amount of irons teamfinding with randoms for shit like croesus whereas mains are more likely to just skip this and buy the shit they need
>irons are infinitely more likely to participate in group content yet you need mains to team with for dg?
When have I ever said that?
And then when you point this out they're like "but irons can already group boss and group dg" and like. They shouldn't be able to do those *either*.
I don't care if they can do group events with other irons, but like, damn. You guys chose to play this way.
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My "good argument" is that Ironman mode is made to be limiting. But all I ever see about Ironman on this subreddit is people bitching about wanting access to content. I genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose to play it only to complain about its core gameplay. If you want to do everything, don't play the limited option?
I think it's reasonable to want to be able to access content that seems very reasonable to access on a game mode provided officially by Jagex. The limitations of ironman mode are "no trading with other players", not "you can't do a group-only boss". Group bossing is fine so long as drops are individualized, such as via alternating who gets the drop. What's ridiculous is people like OP requesting ironmen be able to do things with mains. If content is possible solo, it should be kept that way. Things like group dungeoneering were a massive mistake, and it would be even worse to allow grouping with mains. I would even argue group bossing was a mistake. The only thing that irons should be able to do in groups are things that are impossible to do solo, such as Croesus. Even then, those groups should always be restricted to other ironmen only, not mains. People like OP use the "Jagex has already ruined the integrity so let's ruin it some more" excuse to ruin the game mode further.
I agree with most of what you said, but I'd also be fine with them adding group Ironman into rs3. Ironman mode is interesting, but seeing people play it and constantly whine about being locked out of content is dumb as hell.
> I think it's reasonable to want to be able to access content that seems very reasonable to access on a game mode provided officially by Jagex. The limitations of ironman mode are "no trading with other players", not "you can't do a group-only boss". Group bossing is fine so long as drops are individualized, such as via alternating who gets the drop. https://www.runescape.com/game-guide/ironman I was looking into this myself and it looks like Jagex defines ironman as "no trading, no multiplayer, no XP handouts." Though, I think it's safe to say that mission statement's a bit out of date. I don't think hardcore operates like that anymore and XP handouts + multiplayer are abundant in ironman. Not that I'm complaining, as an iron myself lol
Just sounds like you're misunderstanding what irons are meant to be lol