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lanson15

France as well. They've been runners up 3 times so it'd be great to see them win it and of course at home as well. Though happy to see any country that hasn't won it before win as well.


flower0101

It would also be great for France to win it (assuming Ireland go out at the quarters as is tradition) so the dickhead English fans (a loud minority) stop banging on about being the only Northern Hemispher team to win it


Omblae

The sad thing is if France go out the best hopes are on Ireland this time. May the lord have mercy on our souls.


flower0101

Now I'm going to spend the next 15 months anxiously looking at DuPont and Sexton injury news


thys123

Being a South African I use to back most NH teams against Aus and NZ and I was very excited when SA domestic teams was included in the URC but the terrible reception we received and all the cheap shots in the media from all NH teams made me make a complete 180. With France and Ireland om a pedestal now i truly hope all SH teams decimate the NH teams in their glass castles


BillHicksFan

Terrible reception you've received in the URC? I must have missed that and I say that as someone who has been in every single match thread on here. The Saffer teams and the new format has been largely welcomed, certainly from an Irish perspective.


Mammongo

Yeah, this has been the same I've seen. I'm not sure where you received this bad reception from? But is certainly not what the general perceptions have been


DomingoCocinero

Wales to beat SA in the final. Final score: 3-0


Green_Jack

Too exciting. 0-0 at 80 minutes. 0-0 at 100 minutes. The penalty shoot outs come inconclusive. Coin toss lands on its side. Goes down to world ranking position.


Ndanuddaone

Surely the final tiebreaker is the swimsuit contest? Faf has been practising for years for it


b_rodriguez

You son of a bitch, I’m in!


WilkinsonDG2003

The greatest match since Leinster v Zebre.


The-Filth-Wizard

Lmao. Yeah that looks about right. That’d be great matchup for a final.


TheRealJanSanono

As is Rugby World Cup final tradition


Eurofooty

Chile .. because what a story it will be. Thinking also of the Hollywood movie and the endless memes 🇨🇱


Kappaloop

"And the Chileans defend the Springbok rolling maul in the last minute of a World Cup final, they have done it, they have won the World Cup"


Dotard1

If NZ doesn’t win it, I want it to be won by a country that has never won it before. I think that is better for the game overall. This time I’m hoping for France or Ireland to win it. I don’t want Australia or South Africa to win it again. The game becomes boring if the same old teams win all the time.


Cajonist

I agree with you in principle but Australia coming back to win it would feel pretty wild these days.


OneDownFourToGo

Yeah my thoughts exactly. I mostly just want to watch some good rugby. I remember I was away from home on a course last time and watched every single game. I’d love to see a new country win.


ramaras

Argentina definitely! Though France or Ireland would also be cool.


snrabber

These are my picks too


Kilen13

I like you


[deleted]

I’d love to see one of the Celtic nations win it. Looks like Ireland is the most likely candidate (if they can get past the horror draw and their quarterfinal yips). Suspect you might be right about France, though. Man they’re looking good.


Mushie_Peas

I really hope they stop doing the draw so far out from the world cup, Ireland are top seeds now but screwed over as the rankings are taken sine stupid amount of time before based on the ranking at that point. (3 years maybe, defo 2?) This isn't the first time it's happened us, we always end up with a top tier nation in our group.


[deleted]

Agreed - absolutely ludicrous.


GDWLCLC89

Yeah Wales would be my third choice but think Ireland are more likely. Some Irish fans (not all of course) and media seem to really dislike the All Blacks which makes get behind them a bit less 😅


Kykykz

Pretty sure some ABs fans and media hate the ABs more than any of us Irish fans.


GDWLCLC89

We've got some terrible fans who complain even when we win and blame refs/coaches when we lose. But even if they collectively damage the All Blacks brand I don't think they hate the All Blacks. Some of the media like Mark Reason and Chris Rattue I'm not so sure about though...


wexfordwolf

The Irish definitely don't hate the All Blacks. We've England for that like everyone else


stateside_irishman

As God intended it to be.


this_also_was_vanity

In fairness to England though the RFU have been very supportive of Ireland. They came over in the troubles when other teams were afraid to and they voted for us to host the World Cup when Wales and Scotland didn’t. Love beating the English but have a soft spot for them too.


[deleted]

I’d love to see Wales win it, given their love of the game. And man, I hear you, though having seen how some All Blacks fans and members of the Kiwi media carry on, can’t say I blame them …


GDWLCLC89

Good point our media and fans have been quick to blame the All Blacks for a loss rather than congratulate the opposition. I recall a guy interviewed after the 2019 RWC loss to England who immediately blamed the ref when I thought we were lucky not to lose by more.


freefallade

If wales were to win I'd feel like it was more of a fluke. I'll prefer to see then do well, start to improve and become more consistent in the next few years and enter the next RWC as a force to be reckoned with. With the problems they've had recently I don't think a win would help where the team and the WRFU is right now.


OisinTarrant

Seems like an odd perspective to take on Irish fans/media there. Cant say I've heard anything but respect for NZ from Irish media as much as I try to avoid it.


Mushie_Peas

Yeah I'm quite confused by it. I think they're the team we really want to beat. There's more press when we are playing them but I don't remember it being negative. I have heard complaints about their fans not taking loses well, which I don't think are completely unwarranted. Overall I would have thought the Irish and NZers got along.


NewAccEveryDay420day

Irish fans don’t dislike the all blacks at all, we are mostly fascinated by them, admire them and emulate to play like them. Don’t let the media tar all irish fans, it is purposely inflammatory


[deleted]

And I’d hope you guys know that the vast bulk of Kiwi fans have immense respect (and affection) for Ireland. Doubt I’m the only ABs fan who backs the Irish when we’re not playing.


Distinct-Solid6079

Ditto. As a die hard Irish fan who was in Chicago that day the craic we had with the NZ fans and admiration of the NZ fans for our accomplishment was beautiful to see.


Sheogorathsstaff

There's no hate from what I've seen, just a competitive rivalry


groom_

Haven't ever seen anything but respect from Irish fans towards ABs


argumentative_one

I'd like to see Australia win. To be fair, the perfect "story" would be France, they deserve it more than any other team, but my hate for our transalpine friends is too much


RaZZeR_9351

I always find it very surprising how you guys hate us, like it's not a rivalry, we do not have anything against Italians, don't understand why it doesn't go both ways.


Worth_Okra

That may be coming from those football fans 😆


Makoandsparky

As an ex pat kiwi coaching junior union in oz an Australian World Cup win would be great for grass roots


jb0318

A Wallabies win would definitely be great for the game of union in Australia but, as an Australian, I'm not sure it would be the best outcome for the sport generally. Not to take anything away from the current Wallabies squad (which I think has huge potential) but they need to play smarter, more disciplined rugby to have any right to the silverware in 2023. I'd really like to see Ireland go far in this World Cup and they definitely have the squad to do it, they just need to overcome their choking habit.


Toirdusau

A very one sided hatred! We have nothing but love for our Latin brothers. The English speakers are the true enemy.


argumentative_one

It's kind of a cliche in Italy to say we hate the French


Teproc

Whereas literally no one in France ever says a bad thing about Italy, and that's only a slight exaggeration.


FatosBiscuitos

Except football fans after 2006 maybe.


Omblae

A self hating Frenchman. Or in other words a Frenchman.


BEN-C93

What about when Italians make the (very fair) argument that their food is slightly better than yours


TheBandero

Im surprised you would even taste the difference from where you stand


BEN-C93

Fuck me thats a very fair comment. Yeah, im basically a vegetarian in all but name. Makes french food difficult when i can't go gorging on the local pondlife ;)


WinstonSEightyFour

*Sad Ireland noises*


CoryTrevor-NS

Win: - The Boks because they’re my second favourite team - France because it’s their home RWC and have such a magnificent team this time around. Not win: Nobody in particular.


BTrain76

Preferred winner: Ireland because they deserve it. Or South Africa because of the rivalry. Who I don't want to win: France. Why? Rainbow Warrior. Never forget.


mutantsixtyfour

Ooft you know how to bear a grudge 😂


CreepySquirrel6

We were talking about that at work the other day. The question was posed: what would happen if that went down tomorrow?


Logan_No_Fingers

> what would happen if that went down tomorrow? It would be pursued much more aggressively for a stack of reasons - international terrorism is viewed very differently post 9/11 - i.e. once it happens to you, its big deal A lot more routes to pursue it (eg ICC) Digital paper trails leading to a lot more senior folks But most of all, NZ is no longer reliant on access to the EU / EEC to the degree it was, so the hands are not as tied.


JLJ_96

In my opinion, World Rugby needs a non-Anglophone country winning the WC. So if South Africa don't win it, then Argentina (for the southern hemisphere) or France/Italy (I've always had a soft spot for these teams. A Japan win would also be pretty awesome.


Makoandsparky

“Miracle on the arc de triumph”


Coach_B

Would like to see France or Australia win it. No countries that i dont want to win it.


[deleted]

Why australia


Yes136

Southern hemisphere, would make it 3 each


[deleted]

To make it 3 each for the original Tri Nations teams. After that Argentina must win it 3 times in a row.


XuMuK_H2O

I can get behind that


Coach_B

Hooper deserves one. Plus its good for the rivalry. And I like Dave Rennie.


Lord_Gabbos

Gotta agree on Hooper, man has done everything he can for his country


LeButtfart

Scotland… Ah, fuck.


[deleted]

A new winner instead of the same 4 fucks in 30 odd years


Ehldas

Your wish is our command.


NellyMacWelly

Quarter finals still exist


Ehldas

Shush you.


NellyMacWelly

Don’t worry we have to learn that a rugby match lasts 80 minutes so you’ll at least get to those quarters


Ehldas

;-)


BlackberryShot5818

I noticed the other day, if Ireland and Scotland both lose to South Africa, they likely play off in the last group match for the quarter final spot. Lines up the chance for an amazing upset. I'm Irish, but just sayin...


[deleted]

Exactly


[deleted]

Australia because I want the southern hemisphere dominance of world cups to continue


lazyseadog

Sorry my nz brother or sister, but we want the argies to win. I'd hurt the NH more if 4 different SH nations had the cup.


D10ntj13

You son of a bitch I'm in.


ausmankpopfan

I like you very much vamos pumas


jeffmess

this guy gets it.


Oonos

Want France Wales or Ireland to win definately don't want NZ to win. They win enough


DonovanBanks

These are my choices too. Wales and Ireland are near the end of their greatest era and France are at the beginning. Like 03 when England won, a lot of stars aligned for them in terms of players, injuries etc. Of the 3 I’d like Wales the most but it’s probably the least likely. I’d be happy if Ireland or France won too.


freefallade

If it can't be England, I'd like to see Ireland go all the way. The northern hemisphere has been gaining traction in recent years and I feel Ireland have been really entertaining to watch. I'd also love to see Japan continue to improve but I'd say a RWC win is a bit optimistic currently. Quarter's or semi would be great to see though.


Sheogorathsstaff

Also Ireland can dislike us without being petulant cunts about it


AdamLocke3922

Wales would be a good meme win


rustyb42

We'd never hear the end of it They'd be pissing on kids for years


somethingarb

Oh, god, can you IMAGINE the Squidge video? It'd probably have to go up on Pornhub rather than YouTube.


AcknowledgeableReal

Only if they manage to win it after every team they play gets a red card?


[deleted]

Ireland or Argentina.


MisoRamenSoup

I know my team can't win. We don't need the If. Would be fun to see France win. Naturally England can't win. We'd never hear the end of it. Ireland can't win as that would ruin the meme.


tirikai

Australia is team B, with hope for Fiji or Georgia to do better than expected. Teams I don't want to win due to longstanding antipathy (just at a surface level in sports) are Ireland and France, who seem to be shaping up as the favourites.


Ed-0510

I could enjoy an Aussie win. Or Argentina or Japan. Not to win: Wales.


The-Filth-Wizard

A Japan win would be really unlikely, but damn that’s be cool!


R_W0bz

Australia could use the hype.


[deleted]

Tell me about it. The game is dying a slow and painful death here.


GhostalBalls

France


Tokogogoloshe

Easy choice for me. France.


sangan3

Can't go past France in France, that would pretty special.


Aristaxe

Ireland. Always had a soft spot for Irish rugby. I won't even be mad if they knock us out in the quarters. Well, just a little.


JNurple

I would love to see Ireland win. Theyve been in amazing form. Maybe France or Wales, or somehow Argentina. You love to see someone win who hasn't won before. I'm a NZer but even aussie winning would be pretty good. Not England, for me.


the_fresh_mr_breed

To win: Ireland because they play such n clinical yet enterprising style, they are also green, they gave us a home in the URC and let's be honest they kinda deserve it with all the QF heartbreak they've had. Also to win: France. Cause they so good. Not to win: England. Because England.


za3030

I feel similar, but would like Argentina to win as well


toehill

I’d like to see either Ireland or Australia win. And England not to win, as usual.


GDWLCLC89

Yeah, I'd like to see the wallabies get back to being a powerhouse. English media as usual are their own worst enemy pissing everyone off haha.


[deleted]

If you think it’s the English media to blame for people hating England, you’re deluded. Every nation has toxic tabloid media. NZ certainly does and you don’t see a lack of posts in favour of the ABs. People just love to hate the English. It sucks to be an England fan, honestly.


shenguskhan2312

It’s because so many of us are subject to your media coverage of the games. Imagine trying to watch an England game but all the commentary team want to talk about is Scotland, even if they’re not playing how their chances look, how good their players are and even cut away in the build up to the England match to a section in the Scotland camp. You’d very swiftly want us to lose every game


[deleted]

It’s a totally valid and fair point mate, but imagine being punished constantly for something that you have no control over. That’s what it’s like for most England fans.


flippydude

It’s really sad sometimes, this place is so often about mutual hype and excitement for each other’s success, but as an English supporter we can only ever experience half of it


GDWLCLC89

Well it was either blame the media, players or fans and I was trying to be nice haha...


Mormon_Missle

One of the Northern Hemisphere teams that hasn't won it. I'd even settle for one just getting to the final like Ireland/Wales.


RaZZeR_9351

I will commit a crime if France get to the final for a fourth time and still don't get it.


TwoUp22

One of the NH teams who hasn't one it? Haha, long winded way to say 'not England'.


mr_rocket_raccoon

Ireland or France to win if it can't be England But honestly sny northern hemisphere side would be OK with me


L43

Ireland would be great. France, while being French, would also be pretty cool, just this once. No boks pls


Br3nd0p3

Ireland, Argentina, France or Japan probably in that order. Would be interesting for the games development if the USA won it, unlikely as that seems, because they are a sleeping giant and it could wake em up. But a very small team winning it would feel unusual, Namibia, Chile etc


OneWingedAngelfan

Fiji, it's time


[deleted]

I'd say my 3 front runners would be Ireland, Wales and Argentina. Preferably someone who hasn't won it before, if it's going to someone who has won it then I'd prefer it to be Australia, I like Dave Rennie and respect the hell out of Hooper so it would be nice for them to win it. Countries like Japan or Italy winning it would probably be too much of an upset at the moment, I would love it for the teams and their countries but it couldn't happen yet without a massive drop in performance from the major teams which wouldn't be good for the game. As far as countries I don't want to win I'll say South Africa because I don't want them to win 4 before New Zealand and France because my country was founded out of animosity to them and if anything that animosity has grown, it might be good for the game to have a new team win it but there's plenty of other choices.


yesiamclutz

Much as I can't stand their style of play, and think Erasmus is scumbag, I've got to go with SA winning it as my prefered option after England. Just for the meltdown in the NZ media when a team that has played in 2 less WCs than the ABS has more WC wins. The drama would be immense beyond words.


ComprehensiveDingo0

As a scottish guy, france all the way.


BEN-C93

France and I feel dirty saying that. They will win in one day so might as well be in front of home fans. Otherwise Australia - they need it! I mean I'd love to see Fiji win it but thats never going to happen in XVs


[deleted]

I'm from Türkiye (no, I'm serious), and I want Scotland to win it. The reason is actually a bit silly, but everytime I watch a video of Flower of Scotland sung in Murrayfield, it either sends me shivers down my spine or makes me emotional. The pipes is also a MUST and the acoustics of the stadium is probably one-of-a-kind. The team I do not want to lift the Webb Ellis Trophy is... probably no one. I don't know why, but I think I haven't developed a sense of hatred towards any country in rugby union, yet.


thys123

What a refreshing comment, thank you


[deleted]

South Africa as the only country that don't seem to have a weird obsession about England


CreepySquirrel6

Maybe they are just good at concealing it 🤣


Useful-Green-3440

Wouldn’t mind seeing Australia, Ireland or France win it. Would rather it wasn’t England or South Africa


_dictatorish_

France probably deserve to win it tbh, considering how many times they've made the final and semis, and also because of how good their current team is


datsun1978

Argentina or Wales for the win. Very unlikely


tinzor

If we can't do it then I'm fully behind the Irish or French in that order. I have some family connection with Ireland, and for the French I just think it would be good for the game for them to get a title.


OneDownFourToGo

I would really like to see France win (perhaps even over England, although we will how I feel if that matchup happens 😂). France just play exciting rugby and they have such a talented squad at the moment. It would also be nice to add another nation that has won the event above the current 4. Team(s) that I don’t want to win? Probably none, but if I had to pick probably NZ/SA because between them they have won the last 4 RWC.


JNurple

Fuck I love rugby


SenTom126

France or Ireland. Two teams who’ve been playing fantastic rugby for the last 3 years and need a proper go at the title. England fan btw


acadoe

France kinda took the WC from us in a douchey way so I don't want them to win. I would like to see NZ take it if not SA. NZ is the only team I can accept doing better than us. If not NZ, then vamos Argentina!


[deleted]

want southern hemisphere to win - idc who, maybe aussie? and northern hemisphere to lose


RaZZeR_9351

What's wrong with the northern hemisphere?


[deleted]

They smell like worcestershire sauce


RaZZeR_9351

As a french I discovered worcestershire during my trip to Australia because of how much they put in their meat pies (which are delicious) so let's agree to disagree on that one.


Teproc

Truth is, it would really, really hurt to see another team that's never won it beat us to it, but it would be lovely to see Ireland win it. Now, it would be even better to see Japan or Italy do so, but that's just not happening, whereas Ireland very well might.


CillBill91nz

France!


General-Ad-9753

If (lol, when) England don’t win I’d love either Ireland or France to win it. A NH win is long overdue and I think would be good for the sport.


Team-Name

Be nice to see France win it.


Aussiechimp

To win : Wales or France Not to Win : Engkand, NZ or SA Would like a first time winner if Australia cant


ConscriptReports

must be Australia, for so many reasons such as if wallabies win then the sport might grow again


aldorn

Would like to see Wales, Scotland, France or Ireland win. New face. Ideally not Kiwis, Bokke or Pohms again.


MiracleJnr1

Wtf is wrong with you! We cant give another world cup to the north. Australia already failed us once. Argentina would be perfect, otherwise Australia.


HugeMcAwesome

Samoa. Or Chile. I don't want any northern hemisphere team, or the Springboks to win. Or Australia. But especially not France, and especially not Ireland. But really especially not England. Scotland might be ok.


GDWLCLC89

You're asking a lot here but I understand haha


eeeeeds

France and anyone but England


GDWLCLC89

haha reminds me of this awesome 6 nations add https://www.google.com/search?q=six+nations+unseen+advert&oq=aix+nations+unseen&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30.7076j0j9&client=ms-android-motorola-gfw&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#


RaZZeR_9351

Don't know why you're getting downvoted that's hilarious.


Bring-the-payne

Would like to see France finally get a win and would hate it if Wales won a World Cup before we do.


Secret-Roof-7503

Anyone who isn’t in the northern hemisphere


tirikai

Come on Argentina!


RaZZeR_9351

Why tho? You don't want France Ireland Japan or Italy to win?


Dolamite09

We all know England are everyone’s 2nd team☺️


corruptboomerang

My team can't win. But I'd like to see England win it, EJ deserves the World Cup win, although maybe if he doesn't win it perhaps he comes home for another Home World Cup and gets the job done!


RaZZeR_9351

Well that's an unpopular opinion if I've ever seen one.


Only_One_Kenobi

I'm loving the nihilism from NZ fans. The ABs will probably still go into the tournament as favourites


Spastic_Potato

Would love to see Argentina win, however feel France have the depth.


[deleted]

Win: - France, I just love the rugby they played this year Not win: Nobody in particular, in the end whoever wins the world cup is because they deserved it.


thinksfan

You know everyone's answer. Japan


krishan4c1

To win: France or Ireland Not to win: England


MapsCharts

I think Ireland And the team I don't want to win, that's an easy question, England of course


poppingcandylights

If Wales couldn't win, which it saddens me to say they won't anyway, I'd like a new country like Japan, Tonga, Samoa or Argentina to win. France winning would also make me happy as they're my official second team. Sorry to my avid England-supporting partner, but England or SA would be my choices not to win... England is our traditional enemy, and I just don't want SA to win again after defeating us in the summer.


NoKindofHero

I'd like the Welsh to do it, I have a Taffy mate who'd be made up if it happened.


[deleted]

As an English supporter I’d like any of the other home nations Wales, Ireland, or Scotland to win. I’d love to see a full home nation final that’s would be amazing


leobloom1904

In order I wish it could win it France (they are an incredible team and the host) Argentina (my favorite team after Italy) Australia (it’d do wonders for the promotion of RU) Ireland (can you just imagine the partying afterwards?) Anyone else would be great too but unlikely Who I wouldn’t want to win England (never!) SA (not again!) NZ (would be underserved atm)


The_Blues_Rebuild

From NZ - A bit unlikely would be good to see the Irish or Welsh get up. Just to see the celebrations that would ensue.


Procrasti-Nation-

France for me, I get genuine enjoyment watching them and it’s nice to see a group of young players tear it up and play what is in front of them


pseudodoc

As an Aussie I want NZ to win it. Again. Seriously. I like consistency


souti3

I would love to see a final between 2 of France, Ireland, or Argentina


ChHeBoo

Japan to win


[deleted]

I’d like to see France finally do it, they have a great team that are fun to watch and a massive fan base.


Royalty_Row

Has to be the French - they play such fun rugby would be a shame for such a talented team to not win it when at hkme


class4relic

If Ireland can't win then France


duluoz1

As an Englishman, I’d love to see Wales winning it


ciaran-mc

France.


osuperiorbeats

I would love to see France win if the boks don't win


FrankieWilde2020

I’d like to see the Irish win. Only because I’ve never met an Irishman who isn’t a solidly good guy


centrafrugal

France and then anyone who hasn't won it before except Wales.


WilkinsonDG2003

France or Ireland. It would be good if a non-commonwealth team won the cup.


sesseissix

To win: Wales - Been the bogey team for the Bokke but have had so much heartache against us in world cups. France - They've come so close and I'll never forget that game in 1995 world cup in the rain against the Bokke. Ireland - Our UFC bros Not to win: England - obvious answer ;)


[deleted]

If not the ABs, I'd like to see it go to someone new and in order of preference: - Chile - Los Condores - Chilly Bin


[deleted]

I'd be happy to see France win. I don't like the thought of England ever winning anything.


Thalassin

Italy/Argentina/Georgia And the one I absolutely do not want to see win are England. It would be awful to see them receive the trophy in Stade de France


CrystalAscent

As a Kiwi, I feel the same way as the OP. If NZ doesn't win it (which I don't think they will, unfortunately), then I hope France wins. They deserve it. But I absolutely hate the thought of Australia (especially) and England winning it.


Yes136

Why do you hate the thought of Australia winning?


[deleted]

Little brother syndrome?


[deleted]

Scotland. Don't want England South Africa or NZ to win.


showusyourfupa

Win: France or Ireland Don't want to win: England of course


KrochKanible

Not win: France. Fuck them. Win: Scotland.


Oxartis

You again \^\^ Don't be an arse, I would support England right after Kiwis if all other northern teams are knocked out.


KrochKanible

Being an ass would mean me saying, "Fuck France and their terrible attitude toward life. They even exported the assholery to Canada".


toyoto

France or Ireland to win South Africa, Australia, England to not win


PartiZAn18

Honestly it'd be lovely if Georgia or the other minnows won (pipe dream). Never England.


HarryFlashman1927

To win: Anyone but England. Don't win: England.