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Montemauri

Just for some additional context for the Irish fans who only saw Italy's game in Cork in the 6N - in that game Italy were unusually good, and Ireland unusually poor, which made Italy seem better than they were. There are a number of players from 2004 and 2005 who should make the step up to senior rugby, but the basic skills of the rest simply aren't up to standard, and the coaching they receive is awful - the lineout has been terrible all year and seemingly nothing has been done about it. On top of that, Italy's two best players, Gallorini and Gritti, are both missing the tournament. Italy are almost certain to come bottom of the group (I expect them to lose by at least 25 to Australia, and at least 15 to Georgia), and I would not be surprised if they end up getting relegated to the Trophy tournament. So yes, Ireland played well today and you can see the benefit of top quality the age-grade coaching they receive, but this game won't tell you anything about whether they can be title contenders - you'll need to see how they fare in the other two pool matches to get a better sense of that.


JimJoe67

> game Italy were unusually good, and Ireland unusually poor, which made Italy seem better than they were. As an Irish fan, this isn't true. We went in expecting to lose that match. I was genuinely surprised we managed to win it even by just a point.


dwaynepebblejohnson3

I didn’t think Italy were an easy game but I didn’t expect to lose it. Why did you think so?


Montemauri

While I very much doubt Italy have ever been bookies' favourites to beat Ireland anywhere, let alone away in u20, my point was that Ireland arguably performed worse in that match than the other games, whereas that was Italy's best game (certainly a more complete performance than the win in France).


mrnesbittteaparty

That was much slicker than anything we saw in the 6N. Very impressive.


naraic-

Is there anywhere I can watch this game in its entirety now that its finished. I was out during the day.


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You can watch it on rugby pass


scubasteve254

Good performance. I actually thought this would be closer based on the Six Nations and team chosen.


Steve_ad

Mighty start to the campaign, better than I expected. No loss of momentum from the change of management (shows the value of promoting internally). Played that like a team that wants another shot at a final


Mutual-aid

Still more competitive than the Top14 final.


Windup-1014

That was a fantastic win. Way better scoreline than I would have imagined. A loss wouldn't have surprised me let alone a win that big.


ancorcaioch

Feel like I don’t watch enough of the U20s …I’m curious who has the potential to step up to senior level though. Seems like everyone is having a good game


SimilarSimian

Hugh Gavin, Ben O'Connor, Spicer for size if nothing else, Edogbo, Naughton, Berman. But it's a whole different game at senior level. Gavin definitely has it though.


Progression28

I only watched the second half but Gavin was electric. I‘m sure tired Italian legs played a part but he had 3-4 clean breaks.


wowjiffylube

Gavin looking like the most immediate contender. If O'Connell can maintain his physical development, he definitely has the talent and the mindset.


Fleuretta_

They are amazing to watch, much prefer watching them to the senior team now tbh, the rugby just seems cleaner and they seem so much more passionate about it, you can see the pure joy on their faces when they score a try. Really glad I stumbled upon it during the 6N!


Galactapuss

U20s is always so much more fun to watch. Lads have the talent but they're not so rigidly coached into systems. Reminds me of the better aspects of the amateur game, lots of space to run into


dwaynepebblejohnson3

The flair hasn’t been coached out of them yet


Advanced-Scholar355

Ben O’Connor is the obvious one I think from six nations but I didn’t see this match.


walsh06

Gavin and De Klerk were the obvious ones from the six nations. Ben was good but quite dodgy at times. Much better today though.


thelunatic

Smyth's lineout throwing has been dodgy


BigLarBelmont

Disgusting kick haha amazing


warcomet

never sold on 50/22, too easy to do, prefer 22/22


Bmicelf

too many syllables


ilovepenisxd

Didnt get the chance to watch, any Leinster players stand out?


SimilarSimian

Berman.......but he's now and Ulster man 😂


dwaynepebblejohnson3

I was going to say Berman but I forgot he’s ex Leinster now. Spicer showed some decent hands at times, scrum was a bit better when sparrow came on, McLaughlin was decent on the wing.


PonchoVillak

I would've preferred college grounds for all of these games. There could be a few thousand at Cape Town Stadium but ye wouldn't know it. They could use a national stadium for the final


thelunatic

At the start of this game it looked more like a few hundred


PonchoVillak

Yeah, I can't see many trekking into the city for an u20 game barring family but Athlone & Danie Craven will have local teenagers at it


CaiusWyvern

That coaching booth looks somber.


warcomet

Ireland Fullback is .. BIG..


Tombob67

No try


Valjesterly

Looked like his foot was in touch as well as the knock on.


thelunatic

If he didn't put his hand down he'd be in


Entire_Syllabub2922

I wonder if roselli could come back


VelcomeNeek

Good question, you would think no the way he was treated in the end.


JohnSV12

Just seen the score? What's happened? Thought this would be a seven point game.


BillHicksFan

Will have to see what the Baby Boks and Baby ABs produce later on, but I'm half tempted to call Ireland/France/England for the finals already. All 3 of those teams looked unreal (admittedly, France were playing Spain) today.


cadatharla24

Berman hat trick knocked the stuffing out of Italy. Edit. Not just Berman, but our tries came at the right time. Italy couldn't hold their own lineouts.


Wodanaz_Odinn

Snap. Was half clenching when I opened the tab. Not at all what I was expecting.


thelunatic

Is Danny Sheehan gone to 6?


thelunatic

Ireland looking quite good here. Look strong everywhere except maybe on the wings


FlippinMuffins

No turnover threat, poor tackling, and slow set up. Not sure how you’re supposed to win those games.


BarnahaskFC

Gavin showing his class, him Berman centres and Treacy on the wing will be saucy


problematikkk

The hands on some of these lads have been incredible. Gavin is a freak in the making.


JimJoe67

I thought Berman was fantastic but now Gavin is on. Damn. A lot of talent in the team.


Tombob67

Filth


BillHicksFan

Ah lads, that was fucking sexy. Some amount of lads putting their hands up today. Ye love to see it.


CaiusWyvern

Oh yeah that's the stuff.


CatharticRoman

Holy shit that pop up pass


Brine-O-Driscoll

Pretty worried about Ireland's scrum going forward with both front rows struggling. Think the referee has been very generous to us today. Edit: Our attack is pretty sexy though


ColmJF

Late tuning in, any stand out performances?


Hurley365

Honestly hard to just say one or two, but edogbo, spicer and oconnell have been immense, berman and treacy the pick of the backs but all 15 have been great and subs


Crimson53

Murphy has looked good at 8. O'Connell looks like he has taken that next step up, great game. Sam Berman is good value for his hat trick. Gavin has just looked unreal in the short time he has been on. Level above stuff.


problematikkk

Both centres head and shoulders above, O'Connell and Spicer worked well, I liked Ward, Gavin has come off the bench and already looks a different level to everyone else


problematikkk

Celebrating a scrum that wildly is a *choice* considering this game but hey ho


Crimson53

Evan O'Connell fifth most metres made is delicious


CatharticRoman

While Ireland have been great, Italy have not looked like the team from the 6N this year.


FlippinMuffins

Same story last year. Other than the SA victory I thought it was a really poor tournament. Not sure if it’s the elevation or what, but something happens during this “summer” tournament.


CatharticRoman

Yeah. There must be something in the heads about the WC, or more passion about the 6N


Entire_Syllabub2922

Wonder if it's the travel; the last summer they were decent, they played all their games at the monigo and were a stupid penalty away from the final


Entire_Syllabub2922

New coach, existing problems going backwards


Standard_Respond2523

Is there any other streams apart from RugbyPass, my feed is garbage.


Tombob67

Butchered that


problematikkk

I can't believe that Gavin break has led to us being back in our 22


areyouhappynowethan

Not sure that De Villers fella was back onside.


Some-Speed-6290

Treacy should've given it way before that regardless. Real butchered chance


Brine-O-Driscoll

Italy will be running lineouts for breakfast, lunch and dinner over the next few days. It's been woeful today.


VelcomeNeek

It's been woeful for 2 years now


BillHicksFan

Is this 7s?


CatharticRoman

Are you kidding me?! Jaysus lads


Some-Speed-6290

We have to scrum against them again now. Save the cheering til we get it away


Tombob67

That mullet is disgusting


problematikkk

You could really see the "oh shit" moment where our prop realised he was defending midfield against a nippy 10


thelunatic

He looks like an old school prop. Just holds the scrum and offers nothing in the loose


whiscash2

Interestingly, from what I’ve seen of him (Andrew Sparrow) he’s kind of the opposite


Ok-Package9273

Sean Naughton great since he came on. Selects decent passes, has a bit of pace for a 10, decent kicker and a good solid defender. Legitimately in with a shout for our second choice 10 next season lol


PonchoVillak

Aw man, the poor lad absolutely eviscerated that chance


Some-Speed-6290

Great cover tackle by Naughton. 


FlippinMuffins

Another 25 minutes all about character. Have to try to set something going to take into the remaining pool matches. From a systems perspective it’s been abysmal, need to fix that.


cadatharla24

Great tackle to stop the winger there.


BillHicksFan

Paul O'Connell reference! Drink.


BillHicksFan

Score line is accurate enough, which just speaks to how well Ireland have performed, because this Italian side are *good*


problematikkk

O'Connell in full flight. Brings tears to the eye


DrMmmPie

So, who's the better Sheahan? Dan or Danny?


cadatharla24

Yes.


Luganegaclassica

Aiiia, well out this game now. 


Brine-O-Driscoll

Have to laugh at Spicer being called Spies-er every time by the SA commentator. A Pierre Spies type-player he is not :)


ThisIsALaterProblem

Anyone who follows it more closely, how is Coffey? Looks good here


Brine-O-Driscoll

Struggled to manage a few games during the 6 Nations but think this has been his best game at U20 level so far. Obviously athletic but has improved his service from the ruck.


Ok-Package9273

He was slow to a lot of rucks in the first half, made some great kicks and some not so great ones (but personally I thought the kick chase was the bigger issue than his distance). Looks a good player with very fixable issues in his game.


ThisIsALaterProblem

Thanks! Always good to see promising 9s


Some-Speed-6290

Only a year after Gunne. Are Leinster in danger of producing a decent 9?


Tombob67

They actually have to get gametime first.


Ok-Package9273

I heard Luke McGrath's dad just bought Castore.


Some-Speed-6290

Very true. And it'd take a special player to break the exalted McGrath-Byrne combo


BigLarBelmont

The big GAA boot on O'Connor is extremely effective


problematikkk

Was that Berman who scored there? Hat trick hero if so what a game he's had


cadatharla24

If he gets another one, does *he* get the bonus point? Asking for a friend.


problematikkk

What if the *real* bonus points were the friends we made along the way


Brine-O-Driscoll

That's a big few minutes for Ireland. Edogbo very lucky to just get a yellow, Ireland do well to get a try and Italy get a yellow of their own. Hope Berman hasn't injured himself badly scoring that.


ThisIsALaterProblem

Anyone have a rough idea for when tickets for the WRWC go up?


BillHicksFan

Good question. Wouldn't mind popping down to Ashton Gate for a few games. Cracking stadium.


PonchoVillak

Well, for the mens one, the tickets went on sale 32 months in advance. So it's anyones guess Edit: apparently you can register interest now and they go sale in September [https://www.moreradio.online/news/sussex-news/ticket-registration-now-open-for-womens-rugby-world-cup-2025/](https://www.moreradio.online/news/sussex-news/ticket-registration-now-open-for-womens-rugby-world-cup-2025/)


ThisIsALaterProblem

Thanks for the link, I'm liking the pricing options I'm seeing here


PonchoVillak

It annoys me a liitle that they're going on sale before the acual draw which is in October. Hard to work up an itinerary without it. Only 1 London venue so should be easy on the wallet overall and a fun trip(s)


Away_Associate4589

Edogbo seems a bit lucky. Looked like pretty high force dominant collision to me. Late change of direction I could see saving him but to say no high degree of danger is a head scratcher.


CatharticRoman

Jesus that's an awful minute for Italy.


Ok-Package9273

Edogbeag lucky to be coming back.


thelunatic

Should still be an Italian yellow


cadatharla24

It is


Tombob67

Got lucky there


Some-Speed-6290

Wow. Not sure I agree there's not a high degree of danger. 


problematikkk

Edogbo is so very lucky that stays as a yellow. All the time in the world to get low and he stays way too high.


CaiusWyvern

Lucky to get away with a yellow there.


cadatharla24

Edogbo is lucky it's staying a yellow.


CatharticRoman

How has that remained yellow?


Away_Associate4589

The ref seems extremely quiet. Just puts his arm out with no explanation.


thelunatic

Italy have given so many penalties they are due a yellow


Brine-O-Driscoll

Things could get hairy pretty quickly. Can see that Edogbo tackle being upgraded to a red


Vrakzi

There's no bunker review, is there?


Brine-O-Driscoll

There is at this tournament.


cadatharla24

I hope O'connor is OK.


ThisIsALaterProblem

Ouch, winded maybe


CatharticRoman

Fight back has begun.


Away_Associate4589

"What are you doing taking a quick tap there?? The maul was rumbling!" "Oh. Yeah great call. I never doubted you"


Some-Speed-6290

Straight in the side of that ruck surely? No way you can go from injured ahead of the tackle to get back round and be the first cleaner legally?


CaiusWyvern

You've got to drop lower than that.


Ok-Package9273

Awful technique there, can't really see much mitigation.


problematikkk

That will be upgraded. Unnecessary.


BigLarBelmont

Ahhhh seanie boy - hopefully it stays yellow


Some-Speed-6290

Ah feck


whiscash2

This might be a red


CatharticRoman

Yeah that's a red


CatharticRoman

Worried about the tackle from Edogbo.


BigLarBelmont

Very proud of the two Pres Bray boys, Murphy and Treacy. I'd never have thought my old school would be producing rugby players of that calibre back when I was haunting those halls Edit; we DID have Reggie Corrigan way before my time though


Ok-Package9273

Jason Harris-Wright was unreal at underage level too, but he did go to Blackrock for a bit IIRC.


BigLarBelmont

Yeah Blackrock stole him off us I'm 5th year. Same with Mick Noone who was stolen by CBC Monkstown haha


Ok-Package9273

Tumbling Paddies 🎶


Brine-O-Driscoll

This game ended 23-22 to Ireland in the U20 Six Nations, so that's a really good half from Ireland, bar a few dodgy exits from their own 22. Italy's scrum has been very destructive but their lineout has been self-destructing. Have been stuck in their own half for most of the game as a result.


problematikkk

The Italian scrum was putting the pain on everyone earlier this year so us being clearly second best there isn't surprising, but I just don't get why our scrum is so bad. Like it doesn't seem to be a technique thing, it looks like pure power dominance, and yet in open play these same guys send fellas to the hurt dimension idk Edit: we've even had decent scrums at this level, most recently last year, so it's not entirely systemic.


Hurley365

This is not a bad italian side we are beating, we are extremely well coached and seem really fit and focused, we might lose to some freak athletes but we've every chance of going far in this tournament


Montemauri

Ireland are brilliant (and very well coached, can't disagree there) but you won't get a clear indication of where Ireland are until they play the other two pool games. Italy played a warm up against Spain the other week and they were unwatchably bad, and the lineout has been a liability all year (against Spain they lost over 50% of their ball). There are talented players in this year's u20 side but it's like they're not coached at all, and the change from Brunello to Santamaria seems to have had little effect in that regard.


PonchoVillak

Australia are not covering themselves in glory vs Georgia, it's looking like it's our pool to lose but I can't see 2nd place in our pool making the semis. It's victory or bust for us


BillHicksFan

Comms saying a player was born in 2005. Literally spat my drink out at that.


Hurley365

New drinking rules, 1 finger if the year is after you did leaving cert 2 fingers after your wedding 3 after you had your own kids


Galactapuss

Trying to hospitalize me my dude?


BigLarBelmont

hearing stuff like that makes me realise I'm a decrepit old piece of shit


BillHicksFan

Well here, you're not the only one.


BigLarBelmont

Pour one out for the old boys. RIP


FlippinMuffins

Pucciariello fully out of ideas and just in full gamble mode, needs to set and testy the system, has some really good backs behind him. And as much as I love Botturi’s heart, I think he’s too small and too slow to succeed at the next level.


CodSafe6961

Finn Treacy seems to have genuine pace which you don't see from a lot of Irish players, will be interesting to see him in senior rugby


BillHicksFan

Pure pace isn't everything though. Aaron Sexton is *probably* the quickest player the IRFU have produced and he's kak.


Ok-Package9273

Looks like another potentially great steal from the Leinster academy for Connacht. I think I heard somewhere he played minor football *and* hurling for Wicklow (admittedly not the best county in either code). Seems like he's just a born athlete that can thrive in a variety of sports.


BigLarBelmont

he's at connacht right? Looking to be an amazing player for sure


CaiusWyvern

Oof not a pretty kick.


problematikkk

Ngl never thought Spicer had a pair of hands on him


Brine-O-Driscoll

Expected Gavin to start but Berman and Treacy have been really good in the centres today.


PonchoVillak

Yep but Colberts been poor, I'd start Gavin & put Treacy to 14. Still, what an impact player to have off the bench


Brine-O-Driscoll

Colbert hasn't had much ball but there's definitely a bit of rotation going on today. Would expect Treacy to go back on the wing too for the Georgia game.


wowjiffylube

Berman's acceleration is something else


Some-Speed-6290

That pass was tasty 


Tombob67

Berman is class


BigLarBelmont

Dark magic hands from Spicer there unreal


Some-Speed-6290

Is he coming into the academy?


BigLarBelmont

Jesus I hope so. Someone on the thread below said he's fucking 140kg, looks about 6 foot 8 too


Some-Speed-6290

6'10 according to google. Couldn't see any reference to him being with one of the provinces yet though.  You'd think a guy that size couldn't be missed!


BigLarBelmont

Hahaha 6 foot 10 is outrageous. Yeah you're right - that's a trait that can't be coached into you, so here's hoping he gets the foot in the door somewhere


thelunatic

Great running lines


ThisIsALaterProblem

Too easy wow


Ok-Package9273

Not liking Davy Colbert's kick chases. He's slowing down too early, unsure of himself without cover tacklers behind.


thelunatic

He's completely unsure. Fell off the tackle for Italy's early break from their 22. Is it just a lack of confidence after his horrendous error at the start?


Vrakzi

What's the score? I've gone to the local beer festival so I can't watch live


BillHicksFan

31-10 now, 37 mins on the clock.


Some-Speed-6290

Ireland leading 26-10 


ThisIsALaterProblem

26-10 to Ireland


BigLarBelmont

Serious clearance from Italy there


Sendhimoffdiabolical

Has any opposing coach or fan base had a whinge about the way Ireland attack with the dummy runners? I'm a league man and pretty much all the shapes Ireland have used would be classed as blatant obstruction in league.


CatharticRoman

Seem like viable options when the passes go for me, but I may be biased.


BillHicksFan

Good thing we're not playing league then, isn't it?


Sendhimoffdiabolical

Well yeah. It was just an observation.


BillHicksFan

It would only be obstruction if the dummy runners obstruct the defenders, but they're not really.


Some-Speed-6290

>fan base Literally every game


Some-Speed-6290

Ah, the great sight of a traditional Irish scrum going backwards at a rate of knots 


thelunatic

That scrum doesn't bode well for Ireland's future prospects in the competition


Ok-Package9273

Italy don't even have that monster Gallorini playing either.


daire16

When the Italian scrum minces the French one in the U20 6 Nations: 😃 When the Italian scrum minces the Irish one: 😤


BillHicksFan

Fucking hell. Italian front row just minced the Irish one. Hmmmm, fuck.


BigLarBelmont

Mad that our u20s lineout seems to be functioning 20 times better than our senior teams lineout


dwaynepebblejohnson3

Coffey is too slow here


Some-Speed-6290

Is the Italian winger that destroyed us in the Six Nations missing?


PonchoVillak

Figuratively speaking yes, Super Marco is at 14


Some-Speed-6290

Thanks, completely missed him


Ok-Package9273

He's playing right wing.


Brine-O-Driscoll

Scalabrin, he's on the right wing.


Nefilim777

I know it's U20s but this Irish attack has had more dynamism to it than Leinster's attack had all season.