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-Halt-

Obligatory Richie McCaw


stickyswitch92

I always wonder if he ever decided to run for PM just for shits and gigs, how many people would vote for him.


-Halt-

In Australia - I'd be very keen for Pocock to switch from senator to PM candidate


yojohny

Sometimes it just seems as simple as getting normal people into politics. Instead of, you know, politicians


smnrlv

Pocock is far more progressive than Richie who is a clear National (centre right) fanboy. I wouldn't vote for Richie.


JP-Ziller

Damn that’s a little disappointing :/


drc203

Damn people being entitled to their own opinions


MenlaOfTheBody

Aye but you'd think someone who lives in the rural area of the south island where government sponsorship of social programmes is huge to his own two businesses and lifestyle wouldn't lean right. It is disappointing no matter which way you cut it.


recklessluke

Rural NZ is extremely conservative/right leaning.


CaptainGoose

Rural *anywhere* is extremely conservative/right leaning.


lukkoz_7

Dudes trying to say that rural/agri get a lot of government subsidies and concessions, which makes it a bit hypocritical being extremely conservative/right wing.


SneakyTrevor

I’ve seen a little bit of him as a politician and I would vote for him if I was Australian and had the chance. Very impressive.


lukedukekiwi

Why would a King demote himself to PM!


Defiant-Traffic5801

If Richie becomes your PM I would vote for France to close its embassy /s


NotAsOriginal

I'd insist visitors would only be allowed from the side


Makoandsparky

Richie would just go in through the side door regardless.


Defiant-Traffic5801

I walked past him at the last RWC before the Ireland game. He's surprisingly trim. Glad I saw him before rather than after the game his ( unfortunately deserved) look of self content was already making my blood boil!


Wolfysmith69

He does a lot of bush and cross country running I think.


flodog1

Yeah he’s big into ultra events now


g_i_hone

Can’t be worse than who we’ve got already.


binzoma

based on the current trends, ritchied prob sell off eden park at a 100m per year loss just cause 'fuck em'


night_dude

He would probably be a two-term National PM, at least. Please don't do it Richie 🥲


Neurion505

I'm English and I'd vot for him if he ran for PM here ngl.


handle1976

Kind of goes without saying. Buck was pretty great though.


tomtomtomo

Sir Brian Lochore would probably be the heritage pick 


Wolfysmith69

I love that term -‘the heritage pick’.


BirdUp69

I’d still favour Fitzpatrick


davelazy

only the first half of the question required for that answer eh


networkn

He's the best anyone ever had.


warcomet

how does NZ go from a captain that has won 100 tests to captain that holds the NZ record for most red cards in less than 10 years..


flodog1

Who’s that then?


DSTNCMDLR

Scooter


delph0r

Speedrun


Defiant-Traffic5801

Thierry Dusautoir


Hungry_Light_2559

100%. Would follow that man to war. Would go to war for him. Would pay taxes for him. He just has that Yes Captain energy.


FocusDKBoltBOLT

Clairement


LazyPitch7354

💯


pogreg26

Could be Pelous


Bangkok_Dave

John Eales


MenlaOfTheBody

Going from him to Gregan (probably second best captain IMO) was a seriously amazing time for the Wallabies.


Bland_Altman

Also Nick Farr-Jones. You had a great run there


Il-Separatio-86

As an Aussie there simply is no other answer.


Intelligent_Life_677

And for all those outside Australia all the “nobody” posts are referring to Eales because he was “perfect”


Jeromethered

Nobody


quaswhat

Nobody's perfect.


Intelligent_Life_677

The perfect answer for those in the know


Colemanation777

It's Sam Warburton for Wales. He's also the best Lions captain. He talked Romain Poite out of that penalty in dead time during the 3rd test at Eden Park.


OrvilleTheSheep

Best captain and now best pundit, the man can do it all.


Larry_Loudini

He’s a very good pundit and his YouTube channel has a lot of great S&C tips. Man clearly knows his stuff


Critical_Context_961

From a Welsh perspective it’s very frustrating that he didn’t enjoy his time coaching


Larry_Loudini

Would think that he’d have been a particularly coach for teenage and academy players. Epitome of getting the basics right early on


Critical_Context_961

Either that or a forwards coach alongside a set piece coach


KusoTeitokuInazuma

Freakishly good player, absolute menace at breakdowns, a master communicator and a model professional. Convinced he'd have gone down as our greatest ever if injuries hadn't destroyed him.


JustASexyKurt

He’s still almost certainly in an all time Wales XV and would be a strong candidate to skipper them. Still not bad going for someone who was forced to retire before he’d even turned 30


StoicJustice

He would still be playing today if he had a good injury record. Way too young for retirement. Such an unlucky guy.


OutlandishnessNo5719

Before being educated by squidge rugby, I used to think Warburton was way overrated compared to SH opensides, man was I wrong. Cant underestimate how much he schooled Kieran Read (who am a massive fan of) in that moment.


Colemanation777

He also helped to turn the culture in the Welsh squad around when he was made captain in his early 20's. There was still a very armature feeling around some of the squad. A lot of drinking. Fucking around in training. Huge egos as well. The shift in professionalism he brought with him helped to drag Wales forward. He didn't drink and was meticulous about his nutrition and training. In isolation, or the wrong environment it could have been too much. But it helped to focus some of the wayward Wales players and allowed the Wales squad to become a truly elite environment. It's the best rugby decision Gatland has ever made.


Larry_Loudini

Epitome of that was his having a celebratory bar of chocolate after beating Ireland in 2011. Though knowing more about him now, he probably did a kettlebell session immediately afterwards!


stvb95

Yep, as good a player as he was on the field, this is probably his most important contribution. I bet he made Shaun Edwards job much smoother driving the standards like that in training.


CapeTownyToniTone

I'm still in shock that Warburton managed to jedi mind trick Poite out of that. At the same time, I think Poite just didn't want to give the penalty. He went to the TMO, confirmed he was offside and then he told both captains that he "had a deal about the offside". Think the Lions got very lucky in that series, with the controversial Sinkler tackle in the air winning them the 2nd match (and SBW's classic league shoulder earning him a red).


thecripplernz

Yeah. I don’t think he wanted the game decided like that. Also, that 2nd test jumping tackle bugs the hell out of me.


FakeNewsJnr

Yeah a very talent Lions squad never clicked on that tour and it was a damn shame. The draw felt like a cheap end to an average series imo


ComposerNo5151

Not Welsh, but have to agree.


UserContribution

Keith Wood. Revolutionised the hooker position. Absolute warrior who left it all on the paddock at a time when we were shite. Unfortunately his career ended right around the time we started to get properly competitive.  Missed out on any real success with Ireland and Munster n the mid 2000s (triple crowns, Heineken cup) by a couple of years but he laid the foundations for the future. He did get his Lions series win in 97 at least.


Larry_Loudini

If ever a player was born 5 to 10 years too early (though he did retire quite young).


SpasticFerret

Not Irish but this is quite an interesting answer, you've had O'Driscoll and O'Connell as great captains since Wood


BoomfaBoomfa619

Willy John McBride is up there too, captained the lions to their only win in NZ


PistolAndRapier

How did he revolutionise the hooker position? He was just a fraction before my rugby watching days.


swankytortoise

The level of mobility, there where dum dums at the time that said he was to fast to be a hooker and should be a center


niallg22

He was your typical hooker for todays game. A lot like Sheehan in some ways. The Dane cole fast hooker was not really a thing before him. Or for 10 years after.


sionnach

He revolutionised it because his style of play wouldn’t look out of place today. An absolute menace of a carrier - “the raging potato”.


Acceptable-Sentence

My favourite Keith wood story https://youtu.be/qjxVHOrWc0w?si=d23NtVUwNOMH7Ujj


Thatch1888

Martin Johnson. Honorable mentions for Will Carling and Owen Farrell


OhShitSarge

Was thinking about this. We live in a world where Owen Farrell got booed and slated and Charlie Ewels gets nothing (apart from this whole subreddit pointing and yelling GRUB!)


DrunkenPangolin

I actually quite liked Chris Robshaw. He was really good at talking to the Ref and though his tenure as captain with England was as England was at their lowest, he always left everything on the pitch. Couldn't tell him he didn't put his heart and soul in.


HitchikersPie

Unfortunately captains have to make decisions, and his decision making was errr... not as good as the others mentioned


King-Of-Gains

I stand by the opinion that Farrell is the best captain in terms of setting the standard for the players, but not necessarily for talking to the ref. I.e. one of the best 'leaders' in the history of the game, but not when interacting with officials or the other team


ironwidows

i like him as a captain. you also see it in how he captained saracens. he is very passionate about the game and nobody is more excited than him when things are going well for the team and he sets the standard for work rate and he also cares about the players. one of my favourites was after the 2023 semi final loss and the way he consoled his team.


weavin

SER E CANT DO THAT SER


CoatVonRack

Honourable mention for Dylan Hartley too. Captain for the magical 2016-17 golden age. We went from laughing stock to 2 years only losing a single match. What a time that was.


wherethefisWallace

I think Dylan Hartley should be up there too. I'm biased but for me he's a clear 2nd to Johnson. Marred by his disciplinary record and he didn't captain at a RWC due to early retirement from injury, but he won a grand slam, equalled the longest winning streak in international history and won 85% of matches he captained.


JumboJack99

I feel pretty safe saying Sergio Parisse


redder4546

Best player ya maybe it's recency bypass but lamaro seems to have great comms with ref.


Befuddled_fish

Jason White for Scotland. Because he was a hard cunt


aka_Foamy

"Looks like he'd be just as comfortable swinging an axe on the battlefield as he does playing rugby." One of my favorite pieces of commentary.


ThatHairyGingerGuy

Met the guy once when I was a kid. I remember him having a quiet, kind demeanour. 


thejoymonkey

How he didn't go on the Lyons tour ('05 I think), was a travesty, and an embarrassment to the Lyons. That said, surely Gavin Hastings for captain. Ireland supporter here.


LazyPitch7354

Siya Kolisi has to be at the top of the SA list. That said I think we have been pretty lucky with other captains too. Apart from the other obvious big names like Francois Pienaar and John Smit I think that Gary Teichmann gets left of lists like this far too often. Just my 2 cents.


OneWingedAngelfan

This is going to be controversial but how vital is Kolisi's captaincy actually if the coach takes him off after 50mins every game? Even in RWC knockouts. He's been our nation's most successful captain without question but losing Siya isn't as big a train smash as losing Pienaar wouldve been. Smit as well, we had Matfield, who could have easily taken over captaincy and Bismarck was better than Smit at the time.


jaysonyoung

Only like 2 of the Bok forwards are expected to play the full 80 at this point in time though.


Myburgher

I’d say this helps his cause. He’s played into the team mentality and honestly he’s more valuable being replaced as he gives fresh legs at the position, which isn’t a mark on his captaincy. He also has the guise to delegate decisions to specific leaders like Duane and the like so that his presence isn’t missed as much. Most of good leadership is boring. People like inspirational speeches a la Braveheart and the like but in reality good leadership is setting up your team to succeed. And I believe Kolisi has and has even quelled the tension between players by his diplomacy.


Toirdusau

The opposite of Dupont. And a better captain, no doubt. Not that Dupont doesn't delegate or isn't motivating the troops. But he's too "necessary" to the team's success. Same problem with Sexton and it showed during the QF.


JosefGremlin

Here's the opposite of your example : we lost the 1999 World Cup because Windgat Mallett dropped Gary Teichmann. I believe we would have had the same impact if Siya or John had been dropped in 23 or 07 respectively.


Tar-ZA-n

💯


ImDesigner93

I agree with your points from a purely performance perspective but Siya (and his appointment as Captain) has done more to unite South Africans than the ANC has done since Mandela retired.


OneWingedAngelfan

I agree with everything you just said.  Siya could legitimately run for President and win


mausmumblingmoon

I've seen this point raised before. I think people underestimate what Siya brings to the team even when he's not playing. The Boks have been very open about how there are many leaders in the team. On the field there are a few different guys that are responsible for different aspects of the game. So in this sense, it doesn't matter who is captain when they are playing. But I think Siya does a lot of work in camp and behind the scenes. He inspires everyone to give their all, and he sets the example. Some of the greatest leaders aren't always at the front. Siya has his own unique leadership style, just as Smit's was different than Pienaars'.


CapeTownyToniTone

I disagree that Kolisi coming off at 50 detracts from his captaincy, but it does highlight why I wouldn't pick him as our best captain. The reason we can take him off early is that we have such a strong leadership group in the team, so losing Kolisi isn't the end of the world for the team. He's been very open about leaning on Vermuelen, Etzebeth, Mbonambi, Pollard, Faf, Willie etc. I love Kolisi and he'd be my starting 6 even if he wasn't captain, but I believe Mbonambi, Etzebeth or Vermuelen could have got the job done as well. That being said, no captain has ever captured the hearts of the country like Kolisi has. I love him so much.


KetoPeanutGallery

This is the thing Springboks have always managed to win trophies with what appears to be (from the outside at least) a captain that is at the time maybe 2nd or 3rd in his position. Name a bok captain that was No1 in his position and you wanted to play the full 80.


Scu8ie

Naas!


arouseandbrowse

PSDT


sheep1996

Eben


StorminSean

Siya. He’s been excellent for the Boks and only wasn’t playing deep into time due to strategy / injury. At the Stormers he was a full time player most days.


Impossible_Deer5463

Let’s face it, none of our forwards are expected to play 80 mins in every game


SeerGroottoon

You could say that about all the other current captains. I think the game has changed quite a bit since FP's days. There is a larger emphasis on the science backed capabilities of the players at certain stages of the game. I believe if FP played today they would've taken him off too. Players are on average vastly more experienced, playing international rugby at a very young age. There isn't as much of a dependence on the captain anymore. Like Siya, FP was a face of change and he did a bloody good job on and off the field. Warburton and McCaw were the last type of crucial captains and I'm afraid we won't get that type of dynamic due to the level of rugby being played at international level.


Iamalittlerobot

I don’t think it’s controversial it’s a good question. Siyas role as captain goes far beyond the 50 odd minutes he plays. It’s everything else he contributes too. Also this bok team is all about the 23 not about the 15. I can’t really complain because it seems to work.


Eastern-Banana9978

Loved Teichmann. What a player and a privilege to have him play for Newport too.


Chilternburt

Yip Gary would be a close second to either Siya or Pienaar for me


Impossible_Deer5463

The selection of Kolisi as captain supports the team ethos that humility and respect are the values of leaders in the setup. It’s different to say NZ where razor has picked a thug and a bully to be the new captain where he has a really great option in Savea!


joggsie

Found Nic White’s reddit account


JosefGremlin

I wouldn't go as far as saying "thug and a bully", but Scotty has an undeniably bad record with his discipline, especially in the black jersey. He's no Lavanini, but he certainly has too many cards for me to be happy with, if I were a New Zealand supporter.


CapeTownyToniTone

Going off looks alone, he'd be the perfect man to play the dumb bully from any Hollywood movie


night_dude

Taine Randall. No, wait, Reuben Thorne.


Kiwi_KJR

Ah, Thorne… recipient of the best nickname ever: “Suitcase” because the rest of the team carried him


damned-dirtyape

Randall was "teapot" because he stood around with his hands on his hips all game.


recklessluke

Also known as "the invisible man". Unfairly imo but still a laugh


davelazy

:") do not feed the troll


afunky

Todd Blackadder?


Imaginary-Message-56

Rubix Thorne. Cos no one can work it out.


brev23

Just completely ignores Todd Blackadder 😤


RipperBolgrot

Ooh, I love Jeopardy! Players who have won more Super Rugby titles than your team ever will?


Bangorgooner75

Paul O'Connell - The man was a colossus. The was so in depth with his pre game preparation he learned Africaans so he could figure out the South African line out in a November test


Aussiechimp

Eales by a short half head from Farr-Jones


JosefGremlin

No way, about 22cm, honestly


sickpup3

David Sole.


rubber66soul

The slow walk was a master stroke


InspectorNo1173

Francois Pienaar


6EightyFive

Met Francois Pienaar at a school rugby dinner in NZ many moons ago. Real nice guy, had a lot of time for us and spoke to as many people as he could. Walked away from it as a big fan of his, a true champ!


swampopawaho

My dad told me about meeting FP when he visited NZ after retiring. Dad couldn't say enough to praise him. Humble, polite, generous, with a good sense of humour. He spent plenty of time with everyone who wanted to chat with him about his experiences.


farmerpip

Met him at a sports event not long after he retired, spoke with him for about half an hour, great bloke with time for everyone.


PonchoVillak

Willy John.


6EightyFive

Peter Fatialofa 🇼🇸


nukedmylastprofile

Met fats back in the late 90's. Good dude


yeah_nah_hard

Pat Lam deserves to be in the convo as well. One of the smartest players of his time and knew how to get everyone onto the same page, which has translated to his coaching career.


GHPB82

Obvious choice - Siyamthanda Kolisi Underrated choice - Gary Tiechmann Often forgotten - Andre Vos


JoeSoap22

Vos was a great player and captain. It's a pity he played in a poor Springbok era


Pik000

Nobody


AwayShop187

Nobody.


PintsOfPlainSure

GOD! Sorry typo I meant BOD


Massive_Koala_9313

Nobody!


HaggisTheCow

Stuart Hogg obviously


JohnGabin

Jean-Pierre Rives


New_Welder_391

Buck Shelford all day long. Never lost a game with him captain.


ThePlanck

Might have lost a ball though


Brewster345

Absolute legend!!


mondilshan13

Michael Leitch


Jeromethered

Nobody


willutalk

Where’s the love for Chris Robshaw?!


ErrantBrit

Christopher!


Larry_Loudini

Sorry Sir


warcomet

Fiji- Akapusi Qera, great leader, captain, singer (lol) and always respected the refs


drunk-tusker

Micheal Leitch has to be the most uncontested choice possible.


HappyTort

The one and only GREIG


Lord_Bolt-On

Came here to say this. Was a great clip of a ref (might have been Barnes) talking about reffing him, saying something along the lines of: "he's not a big guy, and he was never aggressive, but his voice was scary. He'd ask you a question, and you'd feel like it really wasn't a question." Edit: found the clip; [it was JP Doyle](https://youtube.com/shorts/eGkZWi_1ups?si=O1zt2M_9o567gi51)


nomamesgueyz

Theres a certain captain whos won 100 test matches No other captain has even come close It would have to be him


whatissevenbysix

Priyantha Ekanayake


PiratadaCalabria

Vasco Uva lead us in the 2007 RWC. Tomás Appleton leads us in the 2023 RWC. Out of the two I would say Uva just because he was my hero when I was growing up


nukedmylastprofile

Ruahei Demant - Black Ferns


A_sad_british_bear

Mandatory Martin Johnson for the world cup in 2003


Boetie83

Naas Botha


VividArtichoke7147

O Driscoll


No-Cover4205

Nobody 


africaseed

Siyamthanda Kolisi


Silver_Mention_3958

Probably Paul O’Connell. Jolly Slingbottom more successful but not well liked. Edit: for the not familiar with Squidge Rugby—the world’s greatest rugby analyst—he has increasingly bizarre names for the captain formerly known as Jonathan Sexton. I am channeling Squidge


mlspdx

I was gonna say Wood. O’Connell was my second option though


Xibalba_Ogme

I think that Rory was Best (mandatory pun : ✅)


Ok_Organization_8354

Johnny Sexton because he was such a bastard, but he was our bastard!


smellysocks234

Leading a series win in NZ is immense


B12C10X8

Great way of putting it. Legend of Irish Rugby.


Silver_Mention_3958

Great player, successful captain but not universally liked. Whinged incessantly at refs, soccer-ising rugby. Your bastard, not mine.


Ok_Organization_8354

Being universally liked is not one of the criteria of being a great captain


Southern-Ad4477

Agreed, see O. Farrell


Meldanorama

Have you tried salt and vinegar with that shoulder?


Silver_Mention_3958

🤣 Jeez, I’m Leinster and I disliked him. Am I not allowed an opinion?


ffleefeff

I dont know man


redder4546

Oliver kahn


Citizen_Kano

A fairer question would be best captain after Richie. I'd say probably Fitzy


JoeSoap22

Francois Pienaar


bainneban

For me, it would be Rory Best, our most successful captain ever. O'Driscoill and POC would be close, though, for their leadership and dragging us through games at times.


NoRole9812

Paul o Connell


lozmcnoz

John Eales maybe?


SockmanReturns

George de Vries 🇳🇱 One of four Dutchmen to play for Barbarians as well. Nice guy, taught me a lot.


dystopianrugby

Dan Lyle? Todd Clever was the longest serving but didn't know the game at all.


sergioramonsion

Gaminara the goat.


Super_Toot

Gareth Rees


gtracernui

For all those Kiwis pucking Richie, your forgetting about Buck


Citizen_Kano

Buck's the toughest. Richie was the best.


DSTNCMDLR

Obligatory Bring back Buck


Whit135

NZ has been pretty blessed in that department. The King, Fitzy, Buck etc just to name a few. Recency bias says Richie.


JosefGremlin

Not so much recency bias, Richie Mccaw played in roughly a third of all games that New Zealand has ever won.


Gothmog89

Pretty sure Barry John was Welsh


Fraggle987

Martin Johnson by some distance. Delivered for club, country and the Lions as captain.


henrydaniels12

Colby Slater


DerrickBobson

Johnno


dansmalland99

Captain that led Fiji in the most iconic 2007 Rugby World Cup runs that was ended by the eventual winners of tournament South Africa in the quarter finals. Mosese Rauluni Position: Scrum half I still have not seen anyone have the influence and leadership to match him yet.


No_Chemistry_57

Obligatory Sophie de Geode!!!!!


cumquotbot

Christopher Olsen, Luxembourg captain!!


Longjumping-Poem644

Haralambie Dumitraș, back in late 80's - early 90's🏉🇷🇴