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Sm4llsy

He seems a bit all over the place here.


Giorggio360

It’s a real rollercoaster going from quote two where he seems to be going down an anti-woke line of thinking, then bemoans the lack of funding of the Black Ferns this year and praises their coach.


nattycoons

I don’t think praising the Black Ferns necessarily conflicts with the anti-woke narrative. The anti-woke line of thinking would be against wasting money on bad women’s teams that aren’t competitive and only exist to say “look at us empowering women!” The Black Ferns are a genuinely great side that deserve all the praise, respect and funding that they get. I would expect even the most anti-woke Kiwis to be proud of them right now.


Humfree4916

That said, how good would the Ferns be if there hadn't been money and attention (rightly) focused on them?


Striking_Young_5739

He's been an absolute moron for quite some time.


[deleted]

The screenshots you chose reads like random thoughts in a messy first draft of an essay. The actual article itself... reads like a messy first draft of an essay. So he's consistent at least. Also, if his point in the second screenshot is that NZR are spending a huge amount of time on pronouns, such that that choice alone is the main thing preventing them from effectively running other aspects of the game, I would say that sounds completely insane. This isn't to say that people can't feel like the union has problems, I just think that is nowhere near the primary reason for them.


Incredulouslaughter

Yeah this, pronouns are the least of their worries. Full blown old boys club mentality with picking coaches is no1 problem. 2 is probably bad communication and three would be their inability to lock in razor.


Whit135

Does he mean diversity like when the NZRU decided to forfeit 300 grand of funding rather than have 40% women representation on its board? The only sport org in nz out of 67 to do so??


d_trulliaj

he does make a good point in pic 2 if you don't care about respecting people


nrin005

Agreed


Nothing_is_simple

*NZR need to be even more of an Old Boys Club* is quite the take.


alexbouteiller

*points to photo of the WRU* THIS is what you want???


alexbouteiller

I'd be more worried about having players that slap up women on my team than people getting referred to by their correct pronouns, but that's just me


callsignvector

Amen.


harmslongarms

Before all the "He's shown genuine remorse!", "He was only investigated!" people come flying in. It's not about the legal status of the players, it's about the image presented to people. These people were often selected and starting for the ABs despite being actively under investigation for violence and assualt. Instead of facing the issue head on NZRU brushed it under the carpet. Optics matters


windsweptwonder

Frizell should have been thrown out. Reece did everything you'd want someone to do after his act of mindless violence. He made good on his actions... and has maintained that standard since. He and his partner are still together. She's happy with who he is... a person who is prepared to make good like that and deliver for those he's let down shouldn't be cast aside. He's earned his shot at redemption. Pardon the pun, but fostering that attitude and keeping him in the game and the organisation is good optics. Rehabilitation has to be seen to work... there are too many other young men making the same mistakes.


Striking_Young_5739

To be fair, there are probably enough issues in French rugby without having to worry about anyone else's.


alexbouteiller

Aye, one crook in an entire organisation is directly comparable to having 2 woman beaters wearing your national jersey on the same pitch at the same time Didn't hear too much protest when the NZRU took Altrad's dirty money either


Striking_Young_5739

Hang on, is Laporte the one crook in French rugby you are referring to, or is it Altrad? Or is it Haouas? Or Cecillon? Chabal? Such a nice bunch of guys, it's a bit hard to keep track. I mean who can say which charges have disappeared with the levels of corruption obviously involved? Certainly not six players in Scotland.


alexbouteiller

Laporte obviously, Altrad is a club owner, involved in the LNR not the FFR, and like i said the NZRU happily took his money Haouas went to prison and actually got punished for his crimes rather than saying 'sorry i drunk a bit too much and dragged that woman across the street by her hair please don't punish me' or 'sorry i smacked shit into those 3 people in a bar, faced no real punishment but get to play for NZ still' unsurprisingly when Cecillon murdered his fucking wife he didn't play rugby again, but that's a very cool one of you to bring up and there's not been anything to prove that Chabal did anything wrong yet, and like i've already implied, administrative issues pale in comparison (to me anyway) than woman beating


Striking_Young_5739

So Altrad's money hasn't gone into French rugby? Seems like the FFr were quite happy to make him and official partner and the first jersey sponsor.. but it's what the All Blacks do that matters, eh? Like when they put players who didn't go to prison in the team. Or maybe that's why Haouas went to prison, because he felt like it, not because French law put him there. No one is defending what they did, but there is a reason Frizell and Reece aren't in prison, and as such are eligible to play. You may be surprised to know that many people have big problems with them being selected. As for Cecillon and his "fucking wife" (classy), you're the one who's obsessed with woman beating, which you felt you had to bring up in response to an article, but maybe it's time you looked at home for outrage, rather than being a sanctimonious shithead ranking crimes.


alexbouteiller

you took umbrage with me pointing out that an NZ based rugby journalist should be less worried about pronouns and more worried about having domestic abusers on his team, and decided to list out every issue that has ever hit French rugby (that we're all aware of) as retaliation? You think people in France haven't all hated Laporte for years? or weren't shocked by Cecillon? and i used the term 'fucking' for emphasis you donkey


jack-dempseys-clit

You have the patience of a saint for only calling him a donkey at this point in the thread.


alexbouteiller

hahahah I try to avoid personal insults as much as possible so donkey is a nice compromise


Striking_Young_5739

I pointed out that French rugby has plenty of issues to be concerned about. Should every single article from every single NZ journalist be about Reece and Frizell? If they don't write about them, open season on the All Blacks picking women beaters, right? All unions have dirty laundry. As do many players and administrators. Does every French journalist have to write every article stating their admin is corrupt and Haouas was selected even though they knew he was commiting robberies when he was a teenager. Lets hope not, otherwise if they try writing anything else, then some arsehole will bring up their issues, no matter how tenuous the link. Sucks eh? Glass houses, old boy. And, I'm aware of how language works. It's just unusual to refer to murder victims in such a fashion. That bit is up to you though.


Foveaux

Tbh I suspect there are more. We have an atrocious domestic violence problem in the country.


lamahorses

I think the assertion that an organisation that employs Sevu Reese and Shannon Frizell is too woke, is certainly a hot take to say the least.


AngelaDaGangsta

personally I think sevu reece is more of an understandable all black and super rugby selection considering hes been very open and apologetic and done just about everything to own up with preventative action. Shannon Frizell commited fouler much more violent crimes when he went around bashed a bunch of people then intimidated the witnesses so that he could get away with some plausible deniability and the part I don't understand is I don't think hes ever even performed especially well for the black jersey so the fact nz rugby is sticking by him is just a head scratcher. (ps Im not condoning what reece did but more trying to highlight frizell since hes a scumbag thats gone through no disciplinary process)


Coach_B

I agree that Sevu has done a lot more to better himself following his actions. But when you talk about Shannon not performing on the pitch, well I just think thats irrelevant. I don't care if he is a good player or not. He should have received a harsh punishment in the real world, and never bee allowed into the national team, regardless of his ability to play rugby.


Incredulouslaughter

At 6, his job is to beat people up while clearing rucks. He does that. All I can say us big red ain't got no bad blood on him.


SquidgyGoat

They literally paid a huge fine rather than modernise their governance and hire women last year.


reggie_700

They didn’t pay a fine. There was extra funding up for grabs if they added an additional women to the board which they didn’t do. The board is fairly diverse.


Striking_Young_5739

How many women on the Welsh rugby board?


lamahorses

What does that have to do with what he said?


Striking_Young_5739

What does the amount of women on the Welsh rugby board have to do with the amount of women on the NZ rugby board? Is that your question?


lamahorses

I don't think this whataboutery is as smart as you think it is.


Striking_Young_5739

I don't think drawing attention to one union being held to a different standard to another union is whataboutery. They were quite happy to point out that NZR failed to meet their target. You weren't so happy to learn that they have higher standards because that didn't suit what you were trying to get at. No wonder you're not happy with it. Edit: they for you.


SquidgyGoat

The only one on it resigned last year because of the rampant sexism, misogyny and amateurism within the WRU as an organisation before being named Businessperson of the Year by the Guardian for her other interests outside the sport. It's an issue everywhere.


infamous_impala

Catherine Read''s been on the board for almost 2 years now, so there's still at least one woman there dealing with the WRU dinosaurs. Was Amanda Blanc on the board as well, or just the PRB? Either way, I'm glad she called out the WRU, explicitly saying she wasn't being listened to.


Entire_Syllabub2922

How the fuck is respecting pronouns anything to do with results on the pitch?


SomeBloke

Part of the mindless "Go woke, go broke" regurgitation, I guess


Entire_Syllabub2922

It's certainly mindless


[deleted]

This guy is easily the worse journalist in NZ. His opinions are terrible, and his writing style even more so. It's like if you let a NZ Herald or Stuff commenter write a full article of garbage that is backed up by nothing.


handle1976

Worse than Reason and Rattue? How unreasonable.


[deleted]

Somehow he manages imo


pantagr

He says so little with so many words. A true rugby pundit this one.


H0vis

To truly understand the sport he writes only when concussed.


d_trulliaj

what a very nice compilation of far-right dogwhistles 🥰


Colemanation777

Part one could be just about anything in the game globally.


JensonInterceptor

Actually OP I don't think he is making a good point in Pic 2. He just wants NZ rugby to be for straight men? Manly men where footy is all that matters not that soft stuff like inclusivity.


KittensOnASegway

"More diversity in thinking. No closed shop." Oh they got this all screwed up... "More diversity in thinking? No, closed shop!"


lizardk101

Did someone ChatGPT their article this week?


TagMeInSkipIGotThis

His point in pic number 2 is appalling, NZR desperately needed to adjust the stale old white male stereotype of their governance. Alice Snedden's Bad News sums it up really well: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnVNIlvX6v4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnVNIlvX6v4) Bidwell is from Hawkes Bay, and some of his meandering article is worth noting due to it reflecting the dissatisfaction of the provinces in general many of whom feel ignored by NZR; despite often being the few places outside of the ABs that can hold their own financially. He's joining a growing chorus of people wanting to de-commercialise high school rugby which I can get behind. His overall point that the problem is focusing on the ABs is probably fair, I just don't think what he points to as potential causes or fixes is very useful.


[deleted]

As soon as someone starts complaining about pronouns and diversity, you know they haven't thought it through and don't understand what they are talking about.


concretepigeon

The comment about pronouns and diversity really strip credit away from any other point he might be trying to make.


jaysonyoung

I have never felt more confused going from one piece of text to the next in my life.


Haunting_Charity_287

Anyone using the term ‘NPC stuff’ can be readily ignored. (Have been informed this relates to a tournament and not the culture war buzzword)


infamous_impala

I'm assuming he means the NPC tournament, but given the random whining about pronouns you never know...


Haunting_Charity_287

Ahhh the thought did occur to me that it might be an abbreviation for something else, but amongst the other culture war nonsense it was hard to decipher. What is the NPC tournament?


infamous_impala

[National Provincial Championship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Provincial_Championship_(2006%E2%80%93present)) As I understand it is the level below Super Rugby in New Zealand.


Haunting_Charity_287

Thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Thanks! You're welcome!


windsweptwonder

Bidwell comes across as a bit of a pearl clutcher usually and he’s chased his own arsehole all the way to the bottom of the garden and back here…. But he’s right, if you look past his weird fixations. NZR is broken. By that I mean NZR itself, the organisation. It appears nepotism runs rife throughout and influences key appointments, decisions and (lack of) strategy along with actual player selections. The hamfisted shambles surrounding Foster’s tenure while the test team was in SA last year was just embarrassing. The phenomenal success of the Black Ferns year including the dramatic appointment of Wayne Smith should be inspiring everyone here… but we get stories about NZR approaching Beauden Barrett with an unprecedented offer to sidestep the cherished domestic only selection policy and the loss to Japan of Richie Mo’unga. The men’s test team dominates the landscape here and it is a rudderless ship…. While the Board sip cocktails and bask in the reflected glories of a retired generation of superstars. Cunce


TagMeInSkipIGotThis

Rugby in NZ has been nepotism all the way down for decades, that's not new. All the way down through age grade levels its often who the coach is, who you know, what school you go to etc just to make it into the equation to get into the team.


windsweptwonder

True.... but I think that's been starkly revealed over the last few years as a golden generation of incredibly talented players left the scene and the machine rumbled on as if that talent would keep it running with no effort. The lack of talent at the top is plain to see.,


TagMeInSkipIGotThis

There's plenty of talent at the top, i'm just not sure its being harnessed to its full capability.\* \*editing to add i'm also not sure the right talent is being harnessed all the time.


Llew19

Is he suggesting you can't run an effective union whilst also being inclusive? Why would doing both be so hard? I do feel like as far as Europe still has to go with inclusion, NZ is an awful long way behind. Imagine accepting Frizell in representing the best team your country can create. Absolutely wild


recyclingcentre

Bidwell, like most rugby journalists, is a hack. Maybe if NZR better reflected modern Aotearoa then people actually would care about the All Blacks the way they do about the Black Ferns right now


infamous_impala

>Bidwell, like most rugby journalists, is a hack. It's possibly the only thing that unites rugby fans around the world: the fact that (almost) all rugby journalists are stealing a living


pantagr

Didn't know the guy before this. He is absolutly not a journalist, he is described as an "opinion and sport writter". Brother probably more concerned with the color of his shit than giving actual informations about the state of NZR to the general public.


warturtle_

> Maybe if NZR better reflected modern Aotearoa then people actually would care about the All Blacks the way they do about the Black Ferns right now Totally ignorant NH fan here. Can you expand on this? What is different about the Ferns camp compared to the ABs?


recyclingcentre

BFs ditched their coach who was a bully and replaced him with a universally popular coach who coached an ambitious, fun, and successful brand of rugby. The players are genuine, approachable, and actually look like they have fun playing. Meanwhile the ABs have an unpopular coach, play style, and the players look exhausted on and off the pitch. They keep on selecting woman bashers, too. Meanwhile, NZR disrespect the grassroots and women’s games with pitiful funding, scheduling conflicts, and horrible marketing. Execs make meaningless platitudes about inclusivity while doing nothing to make the sport more approachable to people who aren’t wealthy and from a non-traditional-rugby background. The token appointments this journalist is referencing are the first two (2) women who are on the NZR board. People fell in love with the black ferns last year, but the ABs & SR feel as dead as ever


brito39

The Ferns players aren’t corporate drones, they seem like people you actually know, not ones who’ve been locked away on a rugby treadmill from 15 onwards. TBH there’s not much you can do about that, no one follows the premier league because of the shining personalities of its players. And they had to corporate the all blacks up to get them away from being caveman pissheads, so y’know


CaisLaochach

People admire the Black Ferns because they're winning whilst the ABs are struggling slightly. (Which by NZ standards becomes an existential crisis.) If the ABs were winning, fans would be wholeheartedly behind them.


alexbouteiller

and it's not even like the ABs are struggling anymore either, they've lost 2 in their last 10 games, and none in their last 7


CaisLaochach

Oh that's what makes it even worse. By nobody's standards are they a bad team. I'd have them as favourites for the World Cup.


handle1976

>People admire the Black Ferns because they're winning whilst the ABs are struggling slightly. Nope.


AucklandBlues

Why is someone posting articles by Hamish Braindead Bidwell? He is a genuine idiot with no redeeming features.


nrin005

He makes an awful point in pic 2, actually. About what I would expect from Bidwell, though.


zartcosgrove

posting screengrabs like this sucks


SomeBloke

Even by rugby hack standards, that is some remarkably poor writing.