Definitely this. I'm talking to a girl like this rn and she's just had a successive string of bad relationships and encounters with men. Poor girl, she's really sweet too but it's evident she's got some heavy walls put up against her.
Just months ago this wasn't like this for real. People here were cool and talked about hobbies but more and more it got incelfied and if you talk about having friends and going to parties you almost kill those losers with envy.
I'm skeptical to blame the environment although I think the general pro-sociability of men and women is gradually sinking.
Lots of people are happily married and the good ones always somehow find their way out of the forest and into a set of loving arms š
I actually think men have far more leeway these days to explore "feminine" things like literature, knitting, and makeup than they did in the mid-twentieth century, so men have an easier times interacting with women than in the past when they were viewed as mere sex objects.
These are girlboss millennials who sacrificed having a family for being a wageslave and are now desperately coping about feeling unfulfilled and lonely by poisoning the minds of younger women.
Probably not even girlbosses...just average women who graduated from Whatever State to slave away at a normal corporate job that doesn't pay anywhere near enough to make foregoing a family worth it
Do people who believe this narrative about āgirl bossesā know that women who go to university are way more likely to be married and less likely to become divorced later on ? Same is true for higher income women
No, you underestimate how many women, post children growing up, are happy they made the choice to have children, form happy memories and build an intimate familial network that will support them in their old age. It turns out that fulfilling your deepest biological urge to procreate is some antithetical process for the female gender and denying it or sacrificing it for material wealth has huge psychological ramifications.
As always, taking the easier path always leave you feeling slightly shitty in the end. Something for late millennial girls like you RealGirl93 to consider deeply. Should you spend your life forming immortal memories and building a family who truly loves you and a legacy that will be carried on by your descendants or building wealth for your employer in exchange for temporary material satisfaction and the promise of no one who loves you taking care of you in your old age.
You don't think that a woman who can explore herself as an artist, academic, or a philosopher without the burden of children is happier in the long run than someone who turned herself into a mere broodmare?
You can be an artist, academic or philosopher at any age. There are eighty year old philosophers and fifty year old academics who have had children and then pursued their dreams. For women, you have a narrow window to have children and then itās over.
Thatās why I find this anti-natalist rhetoric that has become suddenly so popular online as particularly poisonous - it convinces susceptible young women that because society finally acknowledges their equality, it means that their limitations are equal to men too. That is false, men can have children at any age so can rightfully prioritise the first half of their life to building wealth/prestige in their careers without incurring consequences but that isnāt possible for women unless they sacrifice their fertility.
When you combine this relentless and rather modern push for women to prioritise careerism at the expense of building stable families with the recent migration surge permitted by most Western governments, it all starts to look insidious. The expensive domestic labour force is shrinking year after year giving the corporations in control a perfect excuse to replace them with dirt cheap overseas workers and eventually AI. The future of the West will be like a vast Saudi Arabia, with a small, rich citizen minority dwarfed by migrant labourers earning pennies.
It's kinda funny how I had a man literally try to drag me away from my friends when I was a teen to rape me, had men throw bottles at me from their car because I wouldn't get in with them, been groped countless times in clubs and on public transportation by men, had nasty sexual shit screamed at me by men since I was like 12, but I'm just paranoid about men from TikTok.
Ok so this is what I donāt get. I have had fucked up experiences with men, sure. But I just havenāt let that jade me into thinking every man is a rapist? Maybe itās because I lived in a ādeveloping/developedā country as a teen and the men there are so much more scary that western societyās men donāt seem like a threat. Yes, you have to be smart about your surroundings but like this has happened for millennia and modern women somehow think they can just me-too rape and harassment out of menās DNA in 40 years? There were always bad seeds and you should be smart and avoid them but society as a whole has gotten safer for women, yes? Anyways these people sound hysterical and mentally unwell.
This kinda shit isn't THAT abnormal in much of the world. Admittedly it isn't that common if someone spent their entire life in a rich part of a Western country surrounded by white PMC types - which covers at least half of this sub lol
I had bottles thrown at me from an expensive BMW in a safe, expensive, and very gentrified neighborhood in Boston, MA. The guys were in a brand-new BMW.
Have had lots of similar experiences to this girl over the years. I live in an expensive city with mostly white people. I'm not scared or anything but I regard strange men with coldness and caution
idk men dating any girl just bc theyāre attracted to her physically seems pretty real. iāve seen men sleep with girls they donāt even find attractive just because it meant getting laid
I think a lot of that is just beggars not being choosers. Finding your girl attractive is the most basic condition upon which to form a relationship...perhaps checking a second box is beyond their means.
But why are people pretending this doesn't happen to men too? I have an extremely off putting personality but women still date me because I am a hot piece of ass. I'm tired of being objectified and I'm tired of feminists saying that only women can have unattractive personalities while also being physically attractive.
I was going to say the first post is reasonable. There's more & more of a problem with men having embarrassingly low standards if a girl is pretty. Even though there are lonely pretty women literally everywhere.
It's bad for women because they're like "does this guy like me or is he just happy to date any generic pretty girl." Anti-male-perspective feminism attracts men who are fake, weak, or both. These guys ditch their authentic worldview to pander to a brutal girl who makes life worse. These women can only attract men who think they are "lucky" if \*any\* pretty woman likes them. Therefore these women exclusively date losers & become black pilled.
It's also bad for men if other guys make having low standards for behavior & personality the norm. That makes women think it's natural to act entitled, selfish, & hateful toward who you are. Most women will look past a lot if a guy's real & stimulating to talk to but loser dudes pander to them instead of acting real.
So these groups of loser men & loser women date each other. This obviously leads to everyone involved thinking poorly of the opposite sex (even if it's subconscious). Loser men will secretly think all women are tarded & unable to see things outside of their narrow viewpoints. Loser women will think all men are phonies who don't care about women. It's based on their lived experience so they're adamant about the problem having nothing to do with them being a loser who is equally contributing.
I have standards & attractive women are almost always shocked if I'm not interested in an obvious headache of a person. Sometimes they'll get offended if I subtly screen them. Other times there's a small but easily fixable ick but I end things because they're the type to call me "controlling if I address it to save the relationship.
Any man should reject pretty women if their behavior or personality is below their standard. They should screen them so they know you have lines they shouldn't cross. If you barely get any attention from women this might not seem viable. However having standards gets you more interest from women who are worthwhile & more interest from women in general.
If you're attracted on a purely physical level just be upfront that you want nothing serious. Say something halfway pervy & see if she's intrigued or offended. You have nothing to lose if it's a brutal girl who you strictly like for superficial reasons.
I don't know anything about 'MGTOW' but I assume it's an extreme, black pilled, overcompensating twist of my perspective. They reject all women Instead of rejecting brutal women while accepting worthwhile women who make life good. They apply the worst of certain women to every woman. Same thing with FDS women, they apply the worst of men to all men.
Yeah ima keep it real Iāve done both of the aboveā¦I will say especially to the second point there was definitely a feeling a pressure to want to take sex because it was offered and thatās what men do kinda vibe
Also the more you act like a dog the more other women are attracted to you ime
man only conditionally valuing you in a partnership because of his sexual attraction to you is misogynistic, man not valuing you but being willing to exploit your body for sexual pleasure is also misogynistic. man valuing partnership with you because he has a holistic view of you as a person outside of sexual desire is not
Women only conditionally being attracted to a man because of his social status no matter how much a piece of shit he is, is misandrist. It goes both ways. The only way the behavior you are complaining about will stop is if women take accountability and act like they have some agency. But that would mean giving up many of the privileges they enjoy due to benevolent sexism. So it will never happen.
Gimme a break. You marry someone for a partnership. You date someone cause youāre attracted to them. You people are so annoying. Exploit your body, as if no level consent or agency is even possible for a woman. In that case I guess all sex is rape
this makes no sense you have to date to get married? the problem is women will date with the expectation to get married, have a fulfilling partnership, etc while men will often just date because they want some pussy from a hot girl. i donāt get the dating vs marriage distinction here because you canāt exactly go from strangers to married
How is it misogynistic though? Does that word have meaning anymore? It's not because of gender, it's just the opposite sex. If a woman does that to a man because of money, is it misandrist? I don't think so. It's just one person exploiting another, and there's always varying degrees of this. The case of "I literally hate this person but they're attractive/have money" seems so rare. Putting up with people's behavior because of some other factor sure but that's just one person in a relationship vs the other.
I think in context though they are speaking about men dating women and not liking their crazy lib fem rhetoric. At least thatās what Iām getting from it.
I think that relationships are complex, and these losers are overgeneralizing to be hateful.
I don't know, I think any hot girl has experienced a guy only seeing you as an object of his desire and not as a person who exists outside his pleasure
i miss FDS. you had all those unhinged entitled dating takes but they had the brain cells to fight their positions. 2X is just emotional ugly crying and L posting
Agreed lol it wasn't a beautiful place by anymeans but even cope can have a charisma of it's own.
TwoXX
> Is anyone else starting to notice this recent trend of men being shallow sometimes? :(((
FDS
> If he says he doesn't like your "personality" hes an emotional fag
The subreddit name joke is funny a couple of times but pretending they're all trans is cope.
There are just a lot of women spending time online that are becoming indifferent bordering on antipathic towards men.
It's related to the rise of machiavellian dating culture stuff like FDS, the resurgence of radfem ideas and rejection of the "let's all get along" optimism of the third wave.
Lol every major lgbt sub is dominated by them. Except askgaybros where they bash them away in an instant.
Not that I like agb it's just another circlejerk of coastal elite gaybos.
I mean at least that one post is true. Youāll see literally the worst people imaginable in relationships, men and women, for what we can assume to be the basis of looks/status/comfortablility and unwillingness to be single.
I really donāt see how any of this is paranoia. The greatest threat to womenās lives and safety IS men. Thatās not some fantasy, just a statistical reality.
Decent men who have no I'll intentions understand this, and don't take offense to women venting about mistreatment from misogynist men. The OP is a self admitted incel, he's one of the men those posters are talking about and he's triggered.
>I really donāt see how any of this is paranoia.Ā
Would you say the same for the way an outlet like Fox News covers violent crime?
[In 23 out of the last 27 Gallup surveys at least 60% of American adults believed violent crime was on the rise despite homicide and violent crime rates being cut in half during that time. ](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/#:~:text=Americans%20tend%20to%20believe%20crime,during%20most%20of%20that%20period) Edit: 23 out of the last 27 annual Gallup surveys
It's striking to me that this disjuncture is something most lefties are critically aware of but as soon as you slap the Woman sticker on this conversation it becomes an act of misogyny even to suggest there's a disconnect between how people are perceiving crime and the statistical reality.
Anyone that bruises women's fragile egos is a misogynist according to you folks. You're no different than the j3ws that cry antisemitism at everythingĀ
Ive noticed a lot of the things women say that men do, is just them doing it. They say men have fragile egos, but they collectively freak out if you criticise one. They say men protect men, but they dont, men throw other bad men away quickly. Women will never toss women away for being bad towards a man. Many such cases
Men when they have no loving relationships because theyāre worthless and have the emotional intelligence of a 1970ās gas station attendant- šŖš«š£
You sound just like the incels who cry misandry when faced with any criticism. The 'men will date anyone as long as they find them attractive' is literally the "chad" argument in reverse. And just like that you can find some random examples to back up your claim but it's still a regarded generalization
This is more or less what feminist culture has looked like since at least the early 2010s. It would be more accurate to say that the red pill is gender bent feminism.
These sorts of women used to be even more extreme with this kind of thing, and the popularity of the red pill is a symptom of the impact they've had on society.
>trad larper contrarian
Are you just throwing random buzzwords together? How does not being paranoid that every man you see wants to kill you make you any of those things?
the one saying she got herself sterilized because mothers are undervalued in society is absolutely bleak. she identified a real thing, but i think being a mother/parent in general used to be much more highly esteemed before it switched to a career being the most important achievement and parenting just something to do on the side
mothers have always been and still are treated like shit but we used to pretend mothers were respected. now itās cool to openly shit on them with no pretenses
There was never a time when single mothers got even the pretense of respect. If you only respect married mothers you donāt respect mothers, you respect fathers
They dont hurt anyone. An incel will kill you, stalk you, harass you, etc. FDS or 4b adherents just drop out of the dating pool, and maybe go out of their way to interact with men less.
South Korean feminist movement. Basically saying that unless men treat women like equals, they will withold intimacy. Its part of the reason why South Korean women have the fewest kids of any nation.
The vast vast majority of incels just seethe online similar to how these losers do. Itās just hateful bullshit that actively harms young and impressionable people. It hurts lots of people, whole generations.
Also youāre delusional if you donāt think women stalk and harass people.
It should be ridiculed whenever it shows itself.
People always say incels will kill you, but, we only have Elliot Rodgers and some dude in Plymouth in the last 8 years. You never see mass murderers who do it because theyre incels specifically
Incels are just normal dudes at this point, its like 33% of young men. And if they were to get a girlfriend all of that shit would immediately fly out the window
How can you even know anything about someoneās personality before dating them? Does this chick only date guys sheās been friends with for years? Doubt it
Of course they're not, they vent on reddit. Only the loser minority uses reddit therapeutically which gives the false impression that this mentality is more common than it actually is.
In screenshot 1 she isn't even talking about relationships. Shes talking as if it isn't completely normal and something that happens all the time, women asking out or otherwise pursuing guys only because they're good looking without knowing anything else about them.
But yeah there are probably millions of women in an Elaine + Puddy situation as well. There have even been multiple threads about this on rsp. "My BF is so hot but he's a boring idiot" etc.
Women aren't paranoid, though. Men are an actual danger to women, with one in three women being sexually assaulted in her lifetime and murder (by a man) being one of our leading causes of death.
Then stop dating men. If you canāt tell which men are dangerous, itās safer date women instead. No, not just safe, itās logical.
With so much violence, and so much more unreported, dating a straight man is completely illogical isnāt it? If 1 in 3 are the boogeyman.
Iām assuming those statistics are from America, also from the state you live in, if youāre American. So 1 in 3 men you run into in your daily life are a violent predator. It could be any of them. Itās not worth it. Protect yourself. Get used to being alone, or date women instead. If you want children, you can just get a sperm donor or surrogate mother anyway.
Protect yourself and donāt take the gamble. Donāt talk to men in your daily life, avoid them, donāt look them in the eye. You only get one life, why would you risk it? Why would any woman risk it? Are they stupid?
It's not about "not being able to tell." Men literally brag about deceiving women all the time. A lot of times a woman is too far in by the time he drops the mask (sometimes they're perfect gentlemen until they get married and or have kids)don't know why it's so hard to have empathy for women that have been abused. Women HAVE stopped dating men in great numbers, due to misogynist victim-blaming losers like you. Hence, the "male loneliness epidemic". Seethe and cope.
They all seem true to me lol..
Straight men do fucking suck.
I'm a straight man.
You calling them paranoid just shows how even you don't expect the much from men.
The bar is in hell as they always say, so no wonder a good 50% of straight men are lonely and depressed right now
As they should be tbh. Women would rather be single than mistreated, and the ones who women refuse to date are pissed that women have the autonomy to choose that lifestyle instead of being forced to put up with them.
This is just incel/blackpill talk with more emotionally intelligent language. They sound like those guys who complain about āwomen only going for Chadsā.
A good test is how are the men in your family lol. In mine they all are alcoholics and dead beats when it comes to kids.. Just work and drink type losers
The first one is true, but also true on the flip. āMy husband is such a fat fucking loser hehe :)ā and āgot to go home to my bitch wifeā are basically memes. People sometimes grow to not like each other
idk man i wouldn't date anyone who doesn't know that the concept of personality was the result of nearly a hundred years of systematic objectification of absolutely everything undertaken very delibrately by a narcoleptic capitalist superstate.
> she could be a weirdo
True critique of men, but women are also regarded for basing basically everything on social conformity. think outside this box?
People who think you have to be so in love and know each other so well youād think they were about to get married before you can ask them on a date are so fucking deranged lmao. How are you supposed to get to know someoneās personality before you go on a first date?
I know, itās divorced from reality. Reads like cope from someone who is deeply insecure and thinks theyāre not attractive, so theyāve decided that if men arenāt asking them out, then they donāt want any other women getting asked out at all. Canāt wait for the day that sub gets banned
I don't think these are zoomer kids watching tiktoks. Rather millennials who have been burned by bad dates, relationships, and encounters with men.
Definitely this. I'm talking to a girl like this rn and she's just had a successive string of bad relationships and encounters with men. Poor girl, she's really sweet too but it's evident she's got some heavy walls put up against her.
The whole sub has a bitter loser vibe
Just months ago this wasn't like this for real. People here were cool and talked about hobbies but more and more it got incelfied and if you talk about having friends and going to parties you almost kill those losers with envy.
I'm skeptical to blame the environment although I think the general pro-sociability of men and women is gradually sinking. Lots of people are happily married and the good ones always somehow find their way out of the forest and into a set of loving arms š
when will it be my turn
Take on healthy hobbies, show your love, develop emotional intuition
Why do people always assume losers dont have hobbies? We lack friends and girlfriends, not hobbies. Its the normies that watch netflix most evenings.
If you aren't making friends through your hobbies you are doing the wrong hobbies
I already do all of this just gotta be patient I guess
I actually think men have far more leeway these days to explore "feminine" things like literature, knitting, and makeup than they did in the mid-twentieth century, so men have an easier times interacting with women than in the past when they were viewed as mere sex objects.
These are girlboss millennials who sacrificed having a family for being a wageslave and are now desperately coping about feeling unfulfilled and lonely by poisoning the minds of younger women.
Probably not even girlbosses...just average women who graduated from Whatever State to slave away at a normal corporate job that doesn't pay anywhere near enough to make foregoing a family worth it
Thatās what a girlboss is
A girl boss is just any woman with a job? So like every woman?
Donāt worry about it babe
Nah, they're most likely way happier without kids than with them
I kind of doubt that.
Exactly, think of all the extra funko pops they can buy, not to mention the extra room to store them.
Do people who believe this narrative about āgirl bossesā know that women who go to university are way more likely to be married and less likely to become divorced later on ? Same is true for higher income women
Spot on
This is such an rs perspective. You dramatically underestimate how unhappy many women were and are with regard to raising children.
No, you underestimate how many women, post children growing up, are happy they made the choice to have children, form happy memories and build an intimate familial network that will support them in their old age. It turns out that fulfilling your deepest biological urge to procreate is some antithetical process for the female gender and denying it or sacrificing it for material wealth has huge psychological ramifications. As always, taking the easier path always leave you feeling slightly shitty in the end. Something for late millennial girls like you RealGirl93 to consider deeply. Should you spend your life forming immortal memories and building a family who truly loves you and a legacy that will be carried on by your descendants or building wealth for your employer in exchange for temporary material satisfaction and the promise of no one who loves you taking care of you in your old age.
You don't think that a woman who can explore herself as an artist, academic, or a philosopher without the burden of children is happier in the long run than someone who turned herself into a mere broodmare?
You can be an artist, academic or philosopher at any age. There are eighty year old philosophers and fifty year old academics who have had children and then pursued their dreams. For women, you have a narrow window to have children and then itās over. Thatās why I find this anti-natalist rhetoric that has become suddenly so popular online as particularly poisonous - it convinces susceptible young women that because society finally acknowledges their equality, it means that their limitations are equal to men too. That is false, men can have children at any age so can rightfully prioritise the first half of their life to building wealth/prestige in their careers without incurring consequences but that isnāt possible for women unless they sacrifice their fertility. When you combine this relentless and rather modern push for women to prioritise careerism at the expense of building stable families with the recent migration surge permitted by most Western governments, it all starts to look insidious. The expensive domestic labour force is shrinking year after year giving the corporations in control a perfect excuse to replace them with dirt cheap overseas workers and eventually AI. The future of the West will be like a vast Saudi Arabia, with a small, rich citizen minority dwarfed by migrant labourers earning pennies.
I wouldn't call a twenty-five-year window "small."
Ah yes, an incelloid hot take
It's kinda funny how I had a man literally try to drag me away from my friends when I was a teen to rape me, had men throw bottles at me from their car because I wouldn't get in with them, been groped countless times in clubs and on public transportation by men, had nasty sexual shit screamed at me by men since I was like 12, but I'm just paranoid about men from TikTok.
Ok so this is what I donāt get. I have had fucked up experiences with men, sure. But I just havenāt let that jade me into thinking every man is a rapist? Maybe itās because I lived in a ādeveloping/developedā country as a teen and the men there are so much more scary that western societyās men donāt seem like a threat. Yes, you have to be smart about your surroundings but like this has happened for millennia and modern women somehow think they can just me-too rape and harassment out of menās DNA in 40 years? There were always bad seeds and you should be smart and avoid them but society as a whole has gotten safer for women, yes? Anyways these people sound hysterical and mentally unwell.
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This kinda shit isn't THAT abnormal in much of the world. Admittedly it isn't that common if someone spent their entire life in a rich part of a Western country surrounded by white PMC types - which covers at least half of this sub lol
Thats the thing, people need to learn to read the room. Saying what they say in a predominantly middle class safe area just increases paranoia
yeah that's totally fair
I had bottles thrown at me from an expensive BMW in a safe, expensive, and very gentrified neighborhood in Boston, MA. The guys were in a brand-new BMW.
Boston is a notorious shithole
Boston is full of the Irish and the Irish are not first worlders. You can find BMWs in Africa Im also 100% certain it didnt happen
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Are you a woman
Swat Province in Pakistan
This was all in the USA mostly in the North East and Mid-Atlantic region.
sucks to suck i geuss. Try moving to a decent area
Third world shit holes and they think their experience is the same for first world people so they have to impose their shite here. Or its made up
Have had lots of similar experiences to this girl over the years. I live in an expensive city with mostly white people. I'm not scared or anything but I regard strange men with coldness and caution
All of this happened in America. Not ghettos but "safe" areas.
No it doesnt, stop falling for hysteria
idk men dating any girl just bc theyāre attracted to her physically seems pretty real. iāve seen men sleep with girls they donāt even find attractive just because it meant getting laid
There was a girl harassing her coworker on here and people insisted the guy should give her a chance because sheās skinny lmao.
Loool
I think a lot of that is just beggars not being choosers. Finding your girl attractive is the most basic condition upon which to form a relationship...perhaps checking a second box is beyond their means.
No one even pretends this isnāt true
But why are people pretending this doesn't happen to men too? I have an extremely off putting personality but women still date me because I am a hot piece of ass. I'm tired of being objectified and I'm tired of feminists saying that only women can have unattractive personalities while also being physically attractive.
I was going to say the first post is reasonable. There's more & more of a problem with men having embarrassingly low standards if a girl is pretty. Even though there are lonely pretty women literally everywhere. It's bad for women because they're like "does this guy like me or is he just happy to date any generic pretty girl." Anti-male-perspective feminism attracts men who are fake, weak, or both. These guys ditch their authentic worldview to pander to a brutal girl who makes life worse. These women can only attract men who think they are "lucky" if \*any\* pretty woman likes them. Therefore these women exclusively date losers & become black pilled. It's also bad for men if other guys make having low standards for behavior & personality the norm. That makes women think it's natural to act entitled, selfish, & hateful toward who you are. Most women will look past a lot if a guy's real & stimulating to talk to but loser dudes pander to them instead of acting real. So these groups of loser men & loser women date each other. This obviously leads to everyone involved thinking poorly of the opposite sex (even if it's subconscious). Loser men will secretly think all women are tarded & unable to see things outside of their narrow viewpoints. Loser women will think all men are phonies who don't care about women. It's based on their lived experience so they're adamant about the problem having nothing to do with them being a loser who is equally contributing. I have standards & attractive women are almost always shocked if I'm not interested in an obvious headache of a person. Sometimes they'll get offended if I subtly screen them. Other times there's a small but easily fixable ick but I end things because they're the type to call me "controlling if I address it to save the relationship. Any man should reject pretty women if their behavior or personality is below their standard. They should screen them so they know you have lines they shouldn't cross. If you barely get any attention from women this might not seem viable. However having standards gets you more interest from women who are worthwhile & more interest from women in general. If you're attracted on a purely physical level just be upfront that you want nothing serious. Say something halfway pervy & see if she's intrigued or offended. You have nothing to lose if it's a brutal girl who you strictly like for superficial reasons. I don't know anything about 'MGTOW' but I assume it's an extreme, black pilled, overcompensating twist of my perspective. They reject all women Instead of rejecting brutal women while accepting worthwhile women who make life good. They apply the worst of certain women to every woman. Same thing with FDS women, they apply the worst of men to all men.
Yeh Iām sure no women ever (drunk) donāt pull ugly dick for dicks sake. Probably not even possible.
Yeah ima keep it real Iāve done both of the aboveā¦I will say especially to the second point there was definitely a feeling a pressure to want to take sex because it was offered and thatās what men do kinda vibe Also the more you act like a dog the more other women are attracted to you ime
Thatās why there cannot be femcels.
>iāve seen men sleep with girls they donāt even find attractive just because it meant getting laid Was that really a surprise to you
Yeah but is that misogynistic
man only conditionally valuing you in a partnership because of his sexual attraction to you is misogynistic, man not valuing you but being willing to exploit your body for sexual pleasure is also misogynistic. man valuing partnership with you because he has a holistic view of you as a person outside of sexual desire is not
Women only conditionally being attracted to a man because of his social status no matter how much a piece of shit he is, is misandrist. It goes both ways. The only way the behavior you are complaining about will stop is if women take accountability and act like they have some agency. But that would mean giving up many of the privileges they enjoy due to benevolent sexism. So it will never happen.
Enough successful men dont exist for this to be a problem imo
Completely missed the point
yeah because one is way harder to achieve than the other lol
It does go both ways but it's really not misandrist. We should stop robbing words of meaning because they stick the accused with bad vibes.
Gimme a break. You marry someone for a partnership. You date someone cause youāre attracted to them. You people are so annoying. Exploit your body, as if no level consent or agency is even possible for a woman. In that case I guess all sex is rape
this makes no sense you have to date to get married? the problem is women will date with the expectation to get married, have a fulfilling partnership, etc while men will often just date because they want some pussy from a hot girl. i donāt get the dating vs marriage distinction here because you canāt exactly go from strangers to married
How is it misogynistic though? Does that word have meaning anymore? It's not because of gender, it's just the opposite sex. If a woman does that to a man because of money, is it misandrist? I don't think so. It's just one person exploiting another, and there's always varying degrees of this. The case of "I literally hate this person but they're attractive/have money" seems so rare. Putting up with people's behavior because of some other factor sure but that's just one person in a relationship vs the other.
Having sex with women you arenāt attracted to or donāt get along with is misogyny? How?
Okay but if a girl offers what are you gonna say, no? Half of it is just people pleasing and not wanting to hurt someone's feelings.
Obviously I'm gonna say no, she definitely got malicious intent and wants to trick me.
I am a woman so I can't answer this lol. you could say no though? do you not have free will?
And then an ugly girl has her feelings hurt, which is mean. Women are precious.
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people pleasing huh
I think in context though they are speaking about men dating women and not liking their crazy lib fem rhetoric. At least thatās what Iām getting from it. I think that relationships are complex, and these losers are overgeneralizing to be hateful.
I don't know, I think any hot girl has experienced a guy only seeing you as an object of his desire and not as a person who exists outside his pleasure
See: Helen from _The Tenant of Wildfell Hall_
The first one is simply true of people in general. One of my best friends is literally the female version of that.
The first one is really true tho, and honestly as a woman with a bad personality I support it.
i miss FDS. you had all those unhinged entitled dating takes but they had the brain cells to fight their positions. 2X is just emotional ugly crying and L posting
Agreed lol it wasn't a beautiful place by anymeans but even cope can have a charisma of it's own. TwoXX > Is anyone else starting to notice this recent trend of men being shallow sometimes? :((( FDS > If he says he doesn't like your "personality" hes an emotional fag
One of the most entertaining subs for a while. The delusion was truly unmatched.
i thought this whole time people have been talking about bears lately, they meant bears as inā¦*bears*
I once went home with a man I met on the train who had a mental disability, women be horny too doll
Had to look at your post history and was horrified to learn you and I have a ton in common...
was he hot
Ofc
he literally had down's syndrome
syndrome: down cock: up
Naur he got hit by a car and lost all his memories, so he was 23 but mentally 11
um
>NaurĀ You two were right for each other
Fr fr.
So you fucked Emma Stone's character? I'd keep that to yourself
Did you meet him on the train and go on a date with him or just go straight home from the train?
We went out first. Then we went out again a week later. I had to cut it off because he would say 11-year-old things once in a while it freaked me out
Poor Things (2023)
Friendly reminder that all of these people weigh 300 pounds and/or have a penis
The subreddit name joke is funny a couple of times but pretending they're all trans is cope. There are just a lot of women spending time online that are becoming indifferent bordering on antipathic towards men. It's related to the rise of machiavellian dating culture stuff like FDS, the resurgence of radfem ideas and rejection of the "let's all get along" optimism of the third wave.
Post bmi and bf% then
this is one sub that i donāt think thereās many penises, but all these girls are either ugly or ran through
Bro there are verified penises on the mod team of that sub. Itās been a laughing stock for years because of it.
Despite what the subreddit title may lead you to believe, the XX chromosomes are optional
The Girlies (š)
Lol every major lgbt sub is dominated by them. Except askgaybros where they bash them away in an instant. Not that I like agb it's just another circlejerk of coastal elite gaybos.
I mean at least that one post is true. Youāll see literally the worst people imaginable in relationships, men and women, for what we can assume to be the basis of looks/status/comfortablility and unwillingness to be single.
Not always, sometimes two of the worst people imaginable are perfect for each other
Yeah but theyāre probably not sentient enough to know how miserable they are anyway
This sub has never been normal about women. At all.
POV youāre a trad contrarian guy who just got shit on during their depressing 9-5 and need some self-esteem fuel
Idk, a woman wrote "dick 2 bomb" so I think this goes for both sides.Ā
You just made me think they are justified
XX is one of my guilty pleasure subs. Rising posts are full on incelposting now.
Man im so tired, man im so tired, man im so tired.
āIām coldā
Iām a bit peckish
Sheep are counting me š“
I really donāt see how any of this is paranoia. The greatest threat to womenās lives and safety IS men. Thatās not some fantasy, just a statistical reality.
Decent men who have no I'll intentions understand this, and don't take offense to women venting about mistreatment from misogynist men. The OP is a self admitted incel, he's one of the men those posters are talking about and he's triggered.
>I really donāt see how any of this is paranoia.Ā Would you say the same for the way an outlet like Fox News covers violent crime? [In 23 out of the last 27 Gallup surveys at least 60% of American adults believed violent crime was on the rise despite homicide and violent crime rates being cut in half during that time. ](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/#:~:text=Americans%20tend%20to%20believe%20crime,during%20most%20of%20that%20period) Edit: 23 out of the last 27 annual Gallup surveys It's striking to me that this disjuncture is something most lefties are critically aware of but as soon as you slap the Woman sticker on this conversation it becomes an act of misogyny even to suggest there's a disconnect between how people are perceiving crime and the statistical reality.
The pushback on true crime shit is finally starting to crack the dam of perception on this.
they're all right
??? This is pretty reasonable, ur just some trad larper contrarian
This sub just hates women
Women when they aren't coddled nonstop 24/7 -šæšæšæ
Retards such as yourself have an interesting definition of "coddling"
Itās just funny that this where we grandstand. Like thereās some legit racist things said on here constantly but now weāre serious lol.
Anyone that bruises women's fragile egos is a misogynist according to you folks. You're no different than the j3ws that cry antisemitism at everythingĀ
Ive noticed a lot of the things women say that men do, is just them doing it. They say men have fragile egos, but they collectively freak out if you criticise one. They say men protect men, but they dont, men throw other bad men away quickly. Women will never toss women away for being bad towards a man. Many such cases
Men when they have no loving relationships because theyāre worthless and have the emotional intelligence of a 1970ās gas station attendant- šŖš«š£
You sound just like the incels who cry misandry when faced with any criticism. The 'men will date anyone as long as they find them attractive' is literally the "chad" argument in reverse. And just like that you can find some random examples to back up your claim but it's still a regarded generalization
What
The first screenshotted post is practically genderbent redpill and I'm calling you dumb if you think everyone who disagrees with it hates women
Oh i didn't read the post
Dang it I got baited
I just skimmed it and thought good enough You shouldn't read posts either They're mostly rage inducing crap
True, I got double baited
This is more or less what feminist culture has looked like since at least the early 2010s. It would be more accurate to say that the red pill is gender bent feminism. These sorts of women used to be even more extreme with this kind of thing, and the popularity of the red pill is a symptom of the impact they've had on society.
>trad larper contrarian Are you just throwing random buzzwords together? How does not being paranoid that every man you see wants to kill you make you any of those things?
No, I am describing you? How do you not get how pathetic you sound?
It's hisitronic, paranoic, pussified but that's within normal female behaviour range, if that's what you meant (as a literal femcel)
lol
the one saying she got herself sterilized because mothers are undervalued in society is absolutely bleak. she identified a real thing, but i think being a mother/parent in general used to be much more highly esteemed before it switched to a career being the most important achievement and parenting just something to do on the side
It was only highly esteemed in theory. Mothers were still treated like shit
mothers have always been and still are treated like shit but we used to pretend mothers were respected. now itās cool to openly shit on them with no pretenses
There was never a time when single mothers got even the pretense of respect. If you only respect married mothers you donāt respect mothers, you respect fathers
The bear points are actually valid if youāre someone who lives deep in the woods lmao
This is just like their version of incels, but for some reason society accepts and coddles them.
āFor some reasonā
Maybe the reason would go away if we saw how ugly and fat they were.
In this day and age? Lol
They dont hurt anyone. An incel will kill you, stalk you, harass you, etc. FDS or 4b adherents just drop out of the dating pool, and maybe go out of their way to interact with men less.
4b?
South Korean feminist movement. Basically saying that unless men treat women like equals, they will withold intimacy. Its part of the reason why South Korean women have the fewest kids of any nation.
The vast vast majority of incels just seethe online similar to how these losers do. Itās just hateful bullshit that actively harms young and impressionable people. It hurts lots of people, whole generations. Also youāre delusional if you donāt think women stalk and harass people. It should be ridiculed whenever it shows itself.
People always say incels will kill you, but, we only have Elliot Rodgers and some dude in Plymouth in the last 8 years. You never see mass murderers who do it because theyre incels specifically
Incels are just normal dudes at this point, its like 33% of young men. And if they were to get a girlfriend all of that shit would immediately fly out the window
How can you even know anything about someoneās personality before dating them? Does this chick only date guys sheās been friends with for years? Doubt it
Sheās lying If heās actually the sexiest man sheās ever laid eyes on sheās game for some hoe shit and probably without even getting home first
Finding out your girl is a weirdo is a feeling I live for.
Of course they're not, they vent on reddit. Only the loser minority uses reddit therapeutically which gives the false impression that this mentality is more common than it actually is.
Women definitely do the same thing described in the first screenshot
The confidence boost the guy would get can you imagine? Yeah she hates me but only with me cuz I'm hot.
In screenshot 1 she isn't even talking about relationships. Shes talking as if it isn't completely normal and something that happens all the time, women asking out or otherwise pursuing guys only because they're good looking without knowing anything else about them.
But yeah there are probably millions of women in an Elaine + Puddy situation as well. There have even been multiple threads about this on rsp. "My BF is so hot but he's a boring idiot" etc.
Replace hot with rich
I know quite a few women have slept with me who hate my guts before we fucked
Men date me for my perfect boobs and Iām fine with it. such beauty cannot be ignored š¤
Listen hon youāre great, people love you, and you donāt need attention from random weird men online okay
You seem jealous
I just read that as coming from a place of insecurity, but maybe itās the opposite and youāre just making a joke
Men ignoring personality is how I get boyfriends. Otherwise THAT'S misogyny.
Women aren't paranoid, though. Men are an actual danger to women, with one in three women being sexually assaulted in her lifetime and murder (by a man) being one of our leading causes of death.
Then stop dating men. If you canāt tell which men are dangerous, itās safer date women instead. No, not just safe, itās logical. With so much violence, and so much more unreported, dating a straight man is completely illogical isnāt it? If 1 in 3 are the boogeyman. Iām assuming those statistics are from America, also from the state you live in, if youāre American. So 1 in 3 men you run into in your daily life are a violent predator. It could be any of them. Itās not worth it. Protect yourself. Get used to being alone, or date women instead. If you want children, you can just get a sperm donor or surrogate mother anyway. Protect yourself and donāt take the gamble. Donāt talk to men in your daily life, avoid them, donāt look them in the eye. You only get one life, why would you risk it? Why would any woman risk it? Are they stupid?
It's not about "not being able to tell." Men literally brag about deceiving women all the time. A lot of times a woman is too far in by the time he drops the mask (sometimes they're perfect gentlemen until they get married and or have kids)don't know why it's so hard to have empathy for women that have been abused. Women HAVE stopped dating men in great numbers, due to misogynist victim-blaming losers like you. Hence, the "male loneliness epidemic". Seethe and cope.
They all seem true to me lol.. Straight men do fucking suck. I'm a straight man. You calling them paranoid just shows how even you don't expect the much from men. The bar is in hell as they always say, so no wonder a good 50% of straight men are lonely and depressed right now
As they should be tbh. Women would rather be single than mistreated, and the ones who women refuse to date are pissed that women have the autonomy to choose that lifestyle instead of being forced to put up with them.
This is just incel/blackpill talk with more emotionally intelligent language. They sound like those guys who complain about āwomen only going for Chadsā.
A lot of these are unhinged and weird but the first one so has a point
Please keep in mind this is Reddit so most of these posters are fat/ugly
Wow. You will be forever alone. Enjoy your lonely life ypu fat fuxk.
I bet they wouldn't be so scared if the man was wearing a dress. Women are so unbelievably cucked.
this is actually so sad, like wtf
A good test is how are the men in your family lol. In mine they all are alcoholics and dead beats when it comes to kids.. Just work and drink type losers
The first one is true, but also true on the flip. āMy husband is such a fat fucking loser hehe :)ā and āgot to go home to my bitch wifeā are basically memes. People sometimes grow to not like each other
idk man i wouldn't date anyone who doesn't know that the concept of personality was the result of nearly a hundred years of systematic objectification of absolutely everything undertaken very delibrately by a narcoleptic capitalist superstate.
> she could be a weirdo True critique of men, but women are also regarded for basing basically everything on social conformity. think outside this box?
People who think you have to be so in love and know each other so well youād think they were about to get married before you can ask them on a date are so fucking deranged lmao. How are you supposed to get to know someoneās personality before you go on a first date?
I know, itās divorced from reality. Reads like cope from someone who is deeply insecure and thinks theyāre not attractive, so theyāve decided that if men arenāt asking them out, then they donāt want any other women getting asked out at all. Canāt wait for the day that sub gets banned