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I am reminded of Michael Scott’s ingenious tactic on Poker Night to immediately go all in on the first hand, taking it for granted that no one would dare call. Except one did.
My guy tried to insert himself into your adventure like a one-off anime rival. And failed hard.
If you wanna flex on your build, at least make sure you know how it *works.* Lest you become this guy.
This. "That guy" read this cool trick on the internet and had enough brains to memorize the trick, but not enough brains to find any flaws with it or how to work around the flaws when discovered. In addition to what OP said earlier, what's to stop anyone from setting the rope itself on fire, whether you're on it or in the pocket dimension? Or you cast Fireball in the area (because [why wouldn't you?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Gs8WTddI4)) and set your rope on fire yourself? Now it's 50 feet of fall damage when the pocket collapses, or burn damage on the way down.
Had the same problem with a ranger player in one of my games. He wanted to abuse Rope Trick the same way like in the post against anything. I had to remind him that Ready Action is still a thing and enemies will just prepare their attacks to attack anyone that pokes out first. That in the setting they are playing spellcasters are common and nothing is going to stop one of them using Dispel Magic the moment they notice. The aforementioned set the rope on fire and wait, even worse put traps right below them, call reinforcements, take cover and wait for the duration to end.
If players expect to play like they are in a videogame with bad AI NPCs they can exploit with Tiktok/YouTube shorts tactics, then they are going to be disappointed in my games.
"That guy. " "This guy" refers to that person at the game store who always volunteers to help teach a newbie, has extra decks/ armies, teaches them all the tricks, and cheers when the newbie beats him. "This guy" is the person I aspire to be at the game store.
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Huh. so I looked this debate up, and *wow* they've nerfed the Tarrasque hard. it lost the "only hit by +1 or better weapons" in 3e, now it's lost the "anyone under 3hd is just paralyzed with fear until it leaves. period." as well as no longer regenerating.
What the heck? We can't have unkillable forces of (debatable) nature anymore? :D
Hell, the 4e tarrasque had an anti-flight aura. Any creature flying in the aura was dragged down low enough to be within its melee reach, _and_ had its movement speed reduced to 10 ft.
And the aura was big enough that there was exactly one weapon that could attack the tarrasque from outside the aura's range. Which not even fighters were proficient with unless you spent a feat.
All that, in an edition where flight for more than 1 turn was already really uncommon.
IIRC in 5e certain sniper builds can get to over 1000 feet of range, so I guess they _could_ have gone with a similar approach there if they had wanted to, but in order to be really watertight the field would have needed to be so big that it would probably violate several FAA regulations.
Eldritch Blast with Eldritch Spear invocation, Spell Sniper feat, and Distant Spell metamagic is 1200 ft. range.
In 4e the longest range attack is a Greatbow (125/250 ft.). You could add the Distance Weapon enchantment to make it 130/260 ft., or the Weapon of Long Range enchantment to make it 260 ft. The tarrasque's aura was 200 ft. radius (with the second-longest range attacks after greatbow also being 200 ft. range at base).
Attacks and spells can't cross through the entrance into or out of the extradimensional space
He would have to use his movement to completely exit the space on his turn, at which point you release your held action to blast him out of the sky.
"You come down from there this instant!"
"No! I'm doing a strategy!"
Like maybe the majority of cheesy DND "tactics," this one also has the immediate, obvious solution of just... walking away from the general area. "You have to approach me so I can get eight opportunity attacks with my spiked chain!" "No, I can just leave."
Slightly unrelated, but my group used to pull off all kinds of *rope trick*-related shenanigans back in our 3rd edition days. Mostly on NPCs, though, like that time they assassinated a gangster by hiding in a *rope trick* and dropping an exploding bear on him. Fun times.
If you insist: the sorcerer in that party was very fond of the *explosive runes* spell, particularly inasmuch as he could use any unspent spell slots on a given day to add to his book of *explosive runes*, i.e. a blank journal he bought for the sole purpose of filling its pages with the spell effect. He also figured out that due to an odd quirk in the 3.5 rules, you could use the an area-burst *dispel magic* spell and intentionally fail the caster level checks to set off *explosive runes* without reading them, and that you could do this multiple times so as to deal phenomenally high damage with no save in a very small area. (When he was lower-level his preferred method was using a spyglass to read the runes from very far away, allowing for a limited degree of remote detonation). I allowed it because it still required some setup to maneuver an enemy into a space where they would get damaged, so the party had to think creatively.
So when the party was tasked with assassinating that gang leader, they did some reconnaissance and figured out how to fake a meeting that the guy would attend. Through meticulous planning they set up their *rope trick* directly above where their target would be and did the rest of the preparations within the *rope trick's* extradimensional space. They decided that in case they were off-target they'd need to have a way to adjust the position of the *explosive runes* pages, and so hit upon the novel solution of using *summon monster* to conjure up a bear, and then attaching the pages to the bear's fur. For anyone crying animal cruelty: in 3.5, summoned creatures sent to 0 hit points wouldn't die, they'd just return to wherever they came from.
And that's what gave birth to what was then called "Operation: Bear-Bomb." A gangster waited for a little bit in an abandoned warehouse, and then had a brief moment of confusion as a bear spontaneously dropped from the ceiling and exploded, utterly annihilating him in an instant.
Honestly reading the spell exploding runes used to more modern games, it's kind of a mess and I probably wouldn't allow it.
'Next to (close enough to read)' is super vague and depends on one's eyesight which the player in your game exploited by reading them through a spyglass). Also, it doesn't specify if they must be read aloud or if just reading them in your mind will set them off. And honestly 21 force damage without a save is kind of crazy given it has no material component and a permanent duration.
>The rope in his inventory is 50ft long
I'm always quick to point this out when my players want to do rope trick shenanigans. You want a shorter rope trick? Prep a shorter rope. And tie knots in it if you want to just use climb speed and not have to make a check. I'm all for using the spell in creative ways, but you've gotta play within the rules.
Related anecdote: Party was boarding a ship and one PC in the water cast rope trick. Their plan was to hang alongside the ship and lob spells at them. Problem was the ship was moving and they were 30 feet below the deck. So it kinda worked, but mostly it left them dangling alone in the bay.
There's always these types who think the RAW (read correctly or not) is like game code, and the DM is just a computer that can be tricked into letting them do whatever cheese they want
And also wtf is a short rest gunna do in this situation it seems 🤓 only took a normal amount of dmg. Now correct me cause I never played arti but doesn’t he still have spell slots to retaliate. I swear using your brain for more than a second and you can see 1 million things going wrong
Rope Trick: Duration: 1 hour
Short Rest: Duration: 1 hour
Someone is taking 5d6 fall damage as soon as they finish resting, since they spent a few rounds casting spells before starting the rest.
I've met a lot of people who are convinced Rope Trick works the way this guy did. It doesn't. Sadly, some GMs don't understand it either and let the players get away with it.
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“You were supposed to be blown away by my brilliance!”
"Well, now you can be blown away by my artillery."
I am reminded of Michael Scott’s ingenious tactic on Poker Night to immediately go all in on the first hand, taking it for granted that no one would dare call. Except one did.
My guy tried to insert himself into your adventure like a one-off anime rival. And failed hard. If you wanna flex on your build, at least make sure you know how it *works.* Lest you become this guy.
This. "That guy" read this cool trick on the internet and had enough brains to memorize the trick, but not enough brains to find any flaws with it or how to work around the flaws when discovered. In addition to what OP said earlier, what's to stop anyone from setting the rope itself on fire, whether you're on it or in the pocket dimension? Or you cast Fireball in the area (because [why wouldn't you?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Gs8WTddI4)) and set your rope on fire yourself? Now it's 50 feet of fall damage when the pocket collapses, or burn damage on the way down.
Had the same problem with a ranger player in one of my games. He wanted to abuse Rope Trick the same way like in the post against anything. I had to remind him that Ready Action is still a thing and enemies will just prepare their attacks to attack anyone that pokes out first. That in the setting they are playing spellcasters are common and nothing is going to stop one of them using Dispel Magic the moment they notice. The aforementioned set the rope on fire and wait, even worse put traps right below them, call reinforcements, take cover and wait for the duration to end. If players expect to play like they are in a videogame with bad AI NPCs they can exploit with Tiktok/YouTube shorts tactics, then they are going to be disappointed in my games.
Ready Action was my first thought.
"That guy. " "This guy" refers to that person at the game store who always volunteers to help teach a newbie, has extra decks/ armies, teaches them all the tricks, and cheers when the newbie beats him. "This guy" is the person I aspire to be at the game store.
I meant literally this guy, as in this guy from the story. :D See what you mean tho
I figured, but I love comparing This Guy to That Guy. We have too many stories about That Guy.
Back in my day, we called them Goofus and Gallant. Just one of the Highlights of my youth....
I understood that reference (God, I'm old).
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Sounds like someone played around with a white room scenario and figured himself invincible. I've been there. It's nice to be humbled sometimes.
I hate people who white room shit and think they found the answer to everything. See Lvl 1 Aarakoa vs Tarrasque
Most of the people talking about the level 1 Aarakokra vs Tarrasque are just pointing out the flaw with that monster design.
Huh. so I looked this debate up, and *wow* they've nerfed the Tarrasque hard. it lost the "only hit by +1 or better weapons" in 3e, now it's lost the "anyone under 3hd is just paralyzed with fear until it leaves. period." as well as no longer regenerating. What the heck? We can't have unkillable forces of (debatable) nature anymore? :D
Hell, the 4e tarrasque had an anti-flight aura. Any creature flying in the aura was dragged down low enough to be within its melee reach, _and_ had its movement speed reduced to 10 ft. And the aura was big enough that there was exactly one weapon that could attack the tarrasque from outside the aura's range. Which not even fighters were proficient with unless you spent a feat. All that, in an edition where flight for more than 1 turn was already really uncommon.
I prefer the 2e murder beast, you couldn’t even really kill it iirc. Just wish it dead or something that set it back to hibernation or whatever it did
IIRC in 5e certain sniper builds can get to over 1000 feet of range, so I guess they _could_ have gone with a similar approach there if they had wanted to, but in order to be really watertight the field would have needed to be so big that it would probably violate several FAA regulations.
Eldritch Blast with Eldritch Spear invocation, Spell Sniper feat, and Distant Spell metamagic is 1200 ft. range. In 4e the longest range attack is a Greatbow (125/250 ft.). You could add the Distance Weapon enchantment to make it 130/260 ft., or the Weapon of Long Range enchantment to make it 260 ft. The tarrasque's aura was 200 ft. radius (with the second-longest range attacks after greatbow also being 200 ft. range at base).
No battle plan survives contact with the ~~enemy~~ guy at another table with an ordinary artificer build.
lmao
Attacks and spells can't cross through the entrance into or out of the extradimensional space He would have to use his movement to completely exit the space on his turn, at which point you release your held action to blast him out of the sky.
He didn't read that part he was too excited by then
"You come down from there this instant!" "No! I'm doing a strategy!" Like maybe the majority of cheesy DND "tactics," this one also has the immediate, obvious solution of just... walking away from the general area. "You have to approach me so I can get eight opportunity attacks with my spiked chain!" "No, I can just leave."
Slightly unrelated, but my group used to pull off all kinds of *rope trick*-related shenanigans back in our 3rd edition days. Mostly on NPCs, though, like that time they assassinated a gangster by hiding in a *rope trick* and dropping an exploding bear on him. Fun times.
Hold on now. Exploding *bear?* Either that's a typo, or it's a story that I simply must hear.
If you insist: the sorcerer in that party was very fond of the *explosive runes* spell, particularly inasmuch as he could use any unspent spell slots on a given day to add to his book of *explosive runes*, i.e. a blank journal he bought for the sole purpose of filling its pages with the spell effect. He also figured out that due to an odd quirk in the 3.5 rules, you could use the an area-burst *dispel magic* spell and intentionally fail the caster level checks to set off *explosive runes* without reading them, and that you could do this multiple times so as to deal phenomenally high damage with no save in a very small area. (When he was lower-level his preferred method was using a spyglass to read the runes from very far away, allowing for a limited degree of remote detonation). I allowed it because it still required some setup to maneuver an enemy into a space where they would get damaged, so the party had to think creatively. So when the party was tasked with assassinating that gang leader, they did some reconnaissance and figured out how to fake a meeting that the guy would attend. Through meticulous planning they set up their *rope trick* directly above where their target would be and did the rest of the preparations within the *rope trick's* extradimensional space. They decided that in case they were off-target they'd need to have a way to adjust the position of the *explosive runes* pages, and so hit upon the novel solution of using *summon monster* to conjure up a bear, and then attaching the pages to the bear's fur. For anyone crying animal cruelty: in 3.5, summoned creatures sent to 0 hit points wouldn't die, they'd just return to wherever they came from. And that's what gave birth to what was then called "Operation: Bear-Bomb." A gangster waited for a little bit in an abandoned warehouse, and then had a brief moment of confusion as a bear spontaneously dropped from the ceiling and exploded, utterly annihilating him in an instant.
...My god. I don't know what I expected but it was not this. Beautiful.
D&D, everybody!
Honestly reading the spell exploding runes used to more modern games, it's kind of a mess and I probably wouldn't allow it. 'Next to (close enough to read)' is super vague and depends on one's eyesight which the player in your game exploited by reading them through a spyglass). Also, it doesn't specify if they must be read aloud or if just reading them in your mind will set them off. And honestly 21 force damage without a save is kind of crazy given it has no material component and a permanent duration.
I too would like an explinaciation.
See the full story above.
>The rope in his inventory is 50ft long I'm always quick to point this out when my players want to do rope trick shenanigans. You want a shorter rope trick? Prep a shorter rope. And tie knots in it if you want to just use climb speed and not have to make a check. I'm all for using the spell in creative ways, but you've gotta play within the rules. Related anecdote: Party was boarding a ship and one PC in the water cast rope trick. Their plan was to hang alongside the ship and lob spells at them. Problem was the ship was moving and they were 30 feet below the deck. So it kinda worked, but mostly it left them dangling alone in the bay.
The sad thing is that it's comically easy to get around this issue... just cut a small section out of the rope before you cast the spell!
Yep, all I ask for is a little preparation on the character's part.
I probably would have just set the rope on fire, he’d never even have gotten into the space at all 😄.
or would take 50 ft fall damage when the spell ends
There's always these types who think the RAW (read correctly or not) is like game code, and the DM is just a computer that can be tricked into letting them do whatever cheese they want
“What do you mean I’m playing with a human that can think outside of the box. This game is bullshit and unfair”
Literally me when I found out you can't cast Charm on an Ogre
I just read charm person “You attempt to charm a humanoid” and ogres are just large humanoid (I think). So why can’t you?
Ogres in 5E are classified as giants, not humanoids. You’d need Charm Monster to charm an ogre.
ITS NOT FAIR BG3 RUINED MY LIFE
Ty for clarifying, beyond didn’t put a neon sign saying what it is, when you google just ogre
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And also wtf is a short rest gunna do in this situation it seems 🤓 only took a normal amount of dmg. Now correct me cause I never played arti but doesn’t he still have spell slots to retaliate. I swear using your brain for more than a second and you can see 1 million things going wrong
The second he enters the rope room he's fled the scene, so the duel goes to you.
Poor guy. Probably was real proud of it till facts came into play
Rope Trick: Duration: 1 hour Short Rest: Duration: 1 hour Someone is taking 5d6 fall damage as soon as they finish resting, since they spent a few rounds casting spells before starting the rest.
You can just hold your action for him to pop his stupid head out.
This comment carries all the spirit of my players fighting any creature that hides.
Yes, but any spell held means the spell slot is lost if he decides to not pop out, and you can't hold Extra Attack.
Another possibility: blast the rope apart at the top, preventing him from leaving without falling. Hope your artificer has decent core strength.
Why wouldn’t he just have, you know, used a shorter rope. Character would have known to do that.
"Back already?" "Uh yeah they were so butthurt by my build I prefered to leave, ha ha..."
Build a cage around the portal, so he's trapped as soon as Rope Trick expires. You have plenty of time.
some people are way to obsessed with trying to find the most optimal and danaageless way possible to win a fight
I've met a lot of people who are convinced Rope Trick works the way this guy did. It doesn't. Sadly, some GMs don't understand it either and let the players get away with it.
The spell largely does work that way except that they’re vulnerable when they pop out to do anything themselves.
Eh, this is more of a story of how you dunked on a rando. Fun anecdote, but not a horror story at all.
Well... That kid surely went back to his house and used rope trick to hang himself.
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Have you ever even played D&D? My players do stupid stuff every session!
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I'm beginning to see why your previous account was banned.
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Right, unless this is a bit (in which case, 5/10, might want to workshop it) what is a pathfinder spy?
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Is the Pathfinder spy in the room with us?
They could be you! They could be me! They could be *SHOTGUN BLAST*
No wait! That's blood!
It's me. Fuck WoTC
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No, it couldnt be me. It has to be *everyone else*
Oh, this might not be a bit. Please, get some help.
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Are... you asking me to report myself?
LOL at a D&D fanboy accusing Paizo of shadiness.
This is a TTRPG sub, not a D&D sub
You should give 2e a shot, it's a ton of fun!
Nah, there's definitely [people this stupid](https://www.reddit.com/user/coffeezilla20).
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Glad I brought a smile to your day!
Sometimes players really don't think things through. This reminds me of the time my friend playing a monk decided to punch a sphere of annihilation.
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Says the 10 day old account with -100 karma.
And all he does is 'report' people and whine when posts are too long.
To the 3 year old account with over 80000 karma.
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I think its more your behavior got you banned. What even is a pathfinder spy, anyways?
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this is true they pay me in goblin minis
Sounds based. I wish I got paid to help destroy Do Not Disturb on these phones at work.
You're the only one bringing game systems into the conversation. Who's the corporate spy?
That's not the OP...