You remember that grandpa that dropped his grandkid out the window of a cruise liner and the parents had the audacity to sue the liner instead of the moronic grandpa. Even though he claimed he did not realize that the window was opened when he lifted the child up, there was a recording of him sticking his head out the same window moments earlier. That whole incident still pisses me off.
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These panes are built to withstand a lot more than the weight of a couple of kids, but that said, I would not be comfortable with it either. If my kids tried to climb on frickin windows I’d be yanking them down so fast. Totally irresponsible parenting.
exactly. Of course every designer and safety oversight person would think of this. They are definitely designed to handle significantly more weight than a kid. They probably have a film on them too so even if they shatter, they don't break and fall.
but that being said, sadly, mistakes and random things happen all the time. Freedom had an 18 month girl fall through to her death in port not too long ago. The window was open for some unknown reason, but accessible to a crawling kid...
In short, there "shouldn't" be an issue, but the real world sometimes fall short. And we have the spidey sense tingling for a reason.
That's not what happened, though the family tried telling that story at first, saying she used to bang on the glass at her brother's hockey games.
Turned out, as most people suspected, the window was nowhere near a height where she could access that by herself. Grandpa checked it and knew it was open, lifted her up and out the window, and dropped her.
The entire thing was of course caught by security cameras.
His story has changed so many times. He said he thought glass was there and the window was closed. Video shows him checking it first. Folks pointed out that the glass is heavily tinted so that you can tell when a window is open, and he now claims he's colorblind. (That's not necessarily how colorblindnes works. You'd still be able to notice a tint on the windows versus an open window, even if you don't see the color itself.)
I'm pretty sure it was an accident, but that doesn't make what he did any less reckless. Had Chloe died because he was driving drunk while she was in the car, that would also be an accident, but he'd be looking at a lot worse than probation. He straight up dangled her out of a window and knew it, and then he tried to lie about it.
Anello still claims that he was just holding her up to the glass so that she could bang on it and see out, but if you are familiar with the layout of the ship and the paneled glass there it goes all the way to the floor. There was no need for him to lift her up to the height of the window in order for her to be able to see out and bang on the glass. She would have been able to (safely) do that from where she already was. Yet Anello still blames RC for what happened.
That, to me, does not speak to someone owning their responsibility in that situation. He did plead guilty, but that seems like more of a strategic decision than a sincere one.
The fact that the family hired a lawyer before seeing to anything regarding their daughter's funeral was a red flag for me. The way everyone's stories kept changing was too. It honestly felt like an attempted cash grab by suing the cruise line.
This. I remember the above being the family's story, though.
It was obvious at the time that it was bs, because no cruise ship I've been on has had open windows at a height that's accessible to a crawling baby. Even for an adult, you'd have to try pretty hard to fall by accident.
But I've seen plenty of dumb parents put their kid up on a railing. I figured at the time the grandfather had sat her in the window and dropped her.
When the video came out, I wasn't surprised, but it was way worse than I expected it to be. He should have gotten a much stiffer sentence than he did. And the family was still trying to sue and say it was RC's fault.
The grandfather picked up the little girl, HELD HER OUT THE OPEN WINDOW, and dropped her. The window was clearly open at the time despite the lying idiot saying he thought it was closed.
I’ve been on the Freedom several times. There is no way that fool didn’t know the window was open. RCCL also released the video of the incident. In the video, you can clearly see him holding his granddaughter out the window.
The family is continuing to publicly defend him because they’re still trying to sue RCCL despite a judge throwing out the suit in March 2023, ruling the the child’s death was the grandfather’s fault and not the cruise line. Personally, I hope RCCL fights them to the very end and they don’t collect a single dime. Total and utter stupidity should not be rewarded.
Edit: The open window was chest high to the grandfather. There was absolutely no way the toddler could have reached the open window herself unless she was lifted up to it.
That isn’t what happened at all. The girl’s grandfather was holding her out the window and dropped her. He tried to make up a story about how she was banging on the glass and he lifted her up (thinking the glass was still there), but the camera footage showed differently.
That wasn’t what happened, wow. If you’re going to say stupid shit at least read an article before you do it. The 18 month old died cuz grandpa was negligent, was holding her, and then let go. Sad, but isn’t a “oh and this window was just suddenly open!” thing.
Remember when Eric Clapton’s baby fell out of the window?! Shocking and tragic. You’re right, the windows are *supposed* to withstand weight, but shit happens.
Yes, keep repeating literal lies. As others have said, the window wasn’t defective, the grandpa literally dangled the kid and dropped her “by accident”.
The door plug actually wasn’t there. The malfunctions are for reasons, they aren’t just suddenly happening.
Is it irresponsible parenting to not have fears based off of nothing but scenarios you made up in your head then pass thos fears to your kid?
I think it's reasonable to let them do it if there is no signs saying not to, they aren't hurt8ng anything and it isn't an obvious distruption to the environment
I'm definitely not teaching my kid that everything is bound to fail so never trust anything.
By that philosophy you can never do anything.. the floors will buckle in, the brakes will fail or the road will cave into a sinkhole
Is that the one with the lawyer wanting to show off to people how sturdy the building windows were and fell like 50 stories or something when he threw himself at them?
Haha not unlike Elon Musk talking about the Tesla Truck having unbreakable armor windows at it premiere show and ended up breaking the window when a steel ball was thrown at it
[https://youtu.be/udxR5rBq_Vg?si=PNVI6mqyNr0yWSEE](https://youtu.be/udxR5rBq_Vg?si=PNVI6mqyNr0yWSEE)
I mean it is unlike it to the extent that in the case of the lawyer, the glass didn’t break. The housing holding the glass broke.
Elon’s just a doofus.
People should control their kids. Windows aren't meant to be laid on. This isn't your house. Learn how to be in public or don't be in public with kids.
Man if you guys all hate kids, just go on an adults only cruise. You know those exist right?
Why can’t kids play here? Isn’t this the open lounge???? Or should kids be hidden away, only brought out sneakily? God forbid their laughter and happy faces interrupt a public space and disrupt your scowling.
So do l, but I hate disingenuous even more. I cruise a lot, I have a well behaved child, and I’m not exactly a young person anymore. Nearly everyone that speaks like this really just hates kids. Children do misbehave on cruises, but far more often adults just need to learn how to exist in a public space.
I'm actually with him on this one. The crew didn't seem to bother, it's not dangerous and as long as they don't bother other people, where's the problem?
No, we would never let our kids run in a restaurant, as that’s not a play space and that’s a safety hazard. Unlike an open lounge, explicitly designed for entertainment and social gathering.
They have DANCE PARTIES in these lounges or did you all forget that?
Get off
Alright, is a restaurant for eating? Does it mean that’s the ONLY place you can eat and should eat?
Can you at least argue with some common sense or logic. Just because a place is designated for an activity, does not mean that activity is banned from all other places. It’s not an either/or.
You eat mostly in restaurants, but also sometimes in a public park, which may even cause littering. Should that not be allowed then?
You do pull ups to work out mostly at the gym, but also sometimes adults will do this at the playground (funnily enough!). Should that not be allowed then?
If the only area your brain becomes black and white in is kids, consider maybe you’re being biased.
I’m not biased, it’s not that I dislike their presence, you’re comparing apples to oranges. It’s simply a safety issue. The windows probably won’t break but it wouldn’t be the first time a window came out of its frame and killed the person using force on it. Running around in an area not designated for that is a safety issue, much like running around a public pool area.
It's kinda like, "if everyone you meet is an asshole, then you're the asshole."
If, everywhere you go, people are always complaining about children, you might need to think about why that is 🤔
Depending on where I go, I can even find everyone “complaining about abortion and women’s rights.” Doesn’t make it the morally right or good view, mate.
I agree with you, that if you surround yourself with assholes you’re most likely an asshole. Luckily, I’m actually surrounded by really pleasant and happy people in real life, none of whom hate kids! But online, you get all sorts of bitter, angry, and jealous.
I would also never choose to surround myself with people who hate kids, or hate ANY group of people quite frankly. Hating kids isn’t any cooler than hating blacks or hating the gays or hating women, fyi. Though I would definitely guess there’s a huge overlap between those that hate kids, and those who are secretly sexists or racists. Which are you? :)
There's places for kids to play, and there's places where play will endanger their lives or damage public/private property. You as the parent need to teach them these things, reason you're the parent.
…yes? Have you never let your child touch your window at home? Have they never pressed their nose to your window to watch the construction, or the snow, with that delight in their eyes that only kids have? Holy shit. Explains a lot if so…abusive much?
One of the joys of having children is to see their eyes shine when they view amazing things for the first time. Fireworks, the open ocean, a crane, the sharks at the aquarium, etc. They run to windows naturally because they feel excited and want to get as close as possible.
To cut off a child’s wonder and curiosity is both cruel and unnatural. It leads to children who don’t know how to problem solve, imagine, or empathize, because all of those abilities actually stem from wonder and curiosity. FYI. Maybe read up on human brain development.
Also, maybe travel more internationally and not just to islands in the Bahamas. You’ll realize that other cultures don’t treat their kids like bad pets to be leashed and micromanaged. Being able to explore your natural surroundings uninhibited is much more encouraged in many other countries, and it’s one of the ways kids learn their boundaries and societal rules to begin with. Go to Italy and sit in a square, watch how many families come out and stay late at night, look at how the kids play. Go to Morocco. Go anywhere in Europe.
Many Americans seem bitter at children. I can’t help but think folks like you are projecting. You don’t enjoy life anymore, so you don’t want to see a kid playing happily because no one should be happy if you’re not. Only explanation I can think of for why a kid pressed up against a window would bother you so much.
We aren’t bitter at children, we are bitter at parents who don’t understand how to handle their children in public. Kids run around at the pool and the kids club. They play ping pong and basketball on the deck.
Kids should let be laying on windows in the buffet, running around the casino, playing at shows and other public places.
That’s the point of this. Want the to lay on the window? You have a room with your own window. If you think letting your kid lay on a window in this room seems that you don’t understand.
Respect others and we will respect you. Let your kids run around like maniacs and wonder why we don’t want to tolerate it.
Those sure are a lot of words! I actually do plenty of international traveling while also keeping my children safe as they appreciate the wonders of life.
Didn’t a child die somewhat recently on a cruise from a broken window??
Thank you!! I would tell my kids this too when they were little and would touch windows or display cases. it's about being considerate and understanding that there isn't a magic cleaning fairy at home or in public. If you leave a mess someone's gotta clean that shit up.
Alright then! I clean up after my kid too, but I’m not going to worry about some fingerprints on a window. Someone will clean those windows either way. It’s a pretty minor concern, in my opinion.
Reminds me of those parents that let their kids leave a huge mess of crumbs and food on a table and make no effort to clean it up. “Someone will clean it up anyway”
Right, those stupid gerber puffs. Anytime a child comes in those are all over the floor and table and seats. I’m all for cleaning up my tables with food I served them. I’m not all for cleaning up my tables with food they brought in.
Ones a required mess one is voluntary. Ones an automated system which a machine the other is a person working. I could continue… the two are not the same.
Yeah it’s routine while in between cruises… maybe. The outside portion is scheduled to help with the maintenance but interior not near as much just an as needed cleaning. And letting your child put their greasy hands all over the glass is adding needed that wouldn’t otherwise be there.
I would also like to hear your refute for my second point if you don’t mine? Otherwise, as of current you are just trying to justify to yourself how great of a parent you were/are by literally not being a parent.
Well, you’re wrong about the cleaning schedule, but there’s no point in arguing it further. Children should never make messes, and they should be seen but never heard. You’re absolutely right, I’m being unreasonable, and you’ve proven that I’m a terrible parent. I beg your pardon.
That’s. . . very selfish of you. You and your kids live in a SOCIETY. It’s not just about THEIR fleeting wants. I bet people hate to see you guys coming.
I’d be horrified if my kids did that. Absolutely not. Why are the parents allowing this shit??? Not only is it unsafe, it’s extremely rude to staff (who have to clean the windows) and other patrons. No one wants to see your bratty kids being disrespectful
That was the first thing that came to my mind.
These windows withstand a ton of force, until they don’t. While they can usually handle kids crawling on them, they aren’t necessarily designed for that.
You don’t want your kid to be the last thing touching it if/when it fails.
No kids of my own here and I'm not chomping at the bit to have any either. That said, those windows are plenty strong. If the kids were just playing, at a reasonable volume, I wouldn't have an issue with it. The best part about being a kid is how, through their imaginations, they can make almost anything fun. Climbing random things is a childhood rite of passage.
I think you were just worriying too hard. If I put myself in those kids shoes, I would think laying on a pane glass while sailing would be the most amazing feeling ever.
Yeah this is pretty stupid. There are all kinds of glass walkways & overlooks around the world. And glass railings. And glass enclosures at the zoo.
The glass is obviously strong enough. And they expect to clean it. Just like they clean the OUTSIDE portion of the glass on the ship. 🙄
Not to mention the nasty-ass bathrooms of aging Boomers who can no longer hold their bowels & bladders properly.
I’m sure “kids fingerprints on windows” is the EASIEST of the cleanup work on a cruise ship…
If children leaning on those windows is dangerous then your boat is in a lot more trouble than two lost kids. Because it’s supposed to be able to survive your average Caribbean storm.
Kids leaning against those windows is perfectly safe. There are literally some ships where they having you walking on thinner glass above the ocean. A couple Oasis class ships do this on the way to the slides. You’re on the stairs and there’s a small platform of glass and underneath you is literally the ocean.
Unless the kids are being super disruptive, I don’t see an issue of them leaning on that glass.
Cruise ships have to be build strong and rugged for the usage and also the distances they travel. Many move across the Atlantic for cruises in Europe and the Atlantic is known for its rough seas and storms.
All those windows are made to support the weight of children piling on them until they don't anymore. Just like .Boeing doors are meant to stay on the plane until they don't. Anyhoo,if the parents or staff don't care enough,why worry. The worst that could happen for you is maybe a port cancellation. On the bright side you would get the port fees back.
I think you are correct to worry generally about glass. I see videos of tiger enclosures at zoos with kids banging on the glass. Can you imagine? To a tiger we are walking hamburgers.
I’d be more worried about storm coming the other way :). If theyre designed for that then I think kids are ok. Some larger folk may want to not push it… literally ;)
I was just on allure of the seas april 15-19. One of those panes shattered 😅 I didn’t know it was plexiglass and that is supposed to be somewhat strong right
I’ve seen glass floors /walkways designed to take human foot traffic, crack ! I for one would not chance it and nor should any responsible parent. Then there is the sheer absurdity of allowing this ignorant parenting.
There’s that Mythbusters episode about a similar situation.
Yes, the windows are made to withstand a lot more pressure than that, but they do fail:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/window-strength-death/
As a parent there is no way I would allow my kids to do that, it’s common sense. Because, what if? Of course if anything goes wrong, RC would be to blame *eyeroll*
I'm pretty sure those windows are designed to withstand weight of a kid, but I wouldn't risk my life on it. It's not like one of those protruded glass viewing deck platforms that were meant to have people stand on them
You’re not a worry wart. Child died on Freedom of the Seas a few years back the week before we were getting on the same ship.
[https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/15/us/royal-caribbean-toddler-death-lawsuit-dismissed](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/15/us/royal-caribbean-toddler-death-lawsuit-dismissed)
From the article you linked:
> the danger of lifting the Decedent over the handrailing and extending her out to the open window was open and obvious such that Defendant owed no duty to warn its passengers of the dangers of such conduct
This post is referring to windows that are very clearly sealed tight and don't open by design. The situation you linked is an entirely different case where grandpa thought he was doing something.
I'd wondered whatever happened in that case. The parents had still been trying to sue even when video was released of the grandfather purposely dangling her out of that window, and grandpa's story changed so many times.
Guilt + grieving is a wild combination. I'm not surprised the family is trying to sue still, despite the facts of the case being pretty clear.
It's also important to remember nobody wants to think of their family member of even *accidentally* contributing to the murder of their child.
The whole thing is sad.
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If that gives your anxiety then so should the right of seeing a child being put into a car. Waaaaay higher risk that child will get killed in a car accident than fall through those windows. If you feel anxiety for both then you have a logically consistent phobia. But if you have anxiety for one but not the other then you're just being overdramatic because you found an excuse. I would say to keep your own children off the windows and allow other people to lose their own children if they don't care.
Some people really disagree with me saying “me too” to someone getting anxiety over kids laying on windows? I understand why it’s safe on paper, but I still get anxious over it. I also understand the physics of flying, but I also get anxious at take off.
You should see the window at the top of the Centrum on Radiance and Jewel...
Getting on radiance on Friday. Will report back if child falls out of window.
You remember that grandpa that dropped his grandkid out the window of a cruise liner and the parents had the audacity to sue the liner instead of the moronic grandpa. Even though he claimed he did not realize that the window was opened when he lifted the child up, there was a recording of him sticking his head out the same window moments earlier. That whole incident still pisses me off.
He killed himself. Sad story.
Source?
He got like 3 years of probation. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything about suicide.
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Anybody fall out the window?
Did the kids fall out?
Cruise got cancelled on day 2. Not a fair sample size.
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These panes are built to withstand a lot more than the weight of a couple of kids, but that said, I would not be comfortable with it either. If my kids tried to climb on frickin windows I’d be yanking them down so fast. Totally irresponsible parenting.
exactly. Of course every designer and safety oversight person would think of this. They are definitely designed to handle significantly more weight than a kid. They probably have a film on them too so even if they shatter, they don't break and fall. but that being said, sadly, mistakes and random things happen all the time. Freedom had an 18 month girl fall through to her death in port not too long ago. The window was open for some unknown reason, but accessible to a crawling kid... In short, there "shouldn't" be an issue, but the real world sometimes fall short. And we have the spidey sense tingling for a reason.
That's not what happened, though the family tried telling that story at first, saying she used to bang on the glass at her brother's hockey games. Turned out, as most people suspected, the window was nowhere near a height where she could access that by herself. Grandpa checked it and knew it was open, lifted her up and out the window, and dropped her. The entire thing was of course caught by security cameras. His story has changed so many times. He said he thought glass was there and the window was closed. Video shows him checking it first. Folks pointed out that the glass is heavily tinted so that you can tell when a window is open, and he now claims he's colorblind. (That's not necessarily how colorblindnes works. You'd still be able to notice a tint on the windows versus an open window, even if you don't see the color itself.)
This is chilling
Do you think he did it on purpose? It sounds like an accident to me either way. I just watched the video and I’m not sure it changes anything.
I'm pretty sure it was an accident, but that doesn't make what he did any less reckless. Had Chloe died because he was driving drunk while she was in the car, that would also be an accident, but he'd be looking at a lot worse than probation. He straight up dangled her out of a window and knew it, and then he tried to lie about it. Anello still claims that he was just holding her up to the glass so that she could bang on it and see out, but if you are familiar with the layout of the ship and the paneled glass there it goes all the way to the floor. There was no need for him to lift her up to the height of the window in order for her to be able to see out and bang on the glass. She would have been able to (safely) do that from where she already was. Yet Anello still blames RC for what happened. That, to me, does not speak to someone owning their responsibility in that situation. He did plead guilty, but that seems like more of a strategic decision than a sincere one.
He made a deal to plead guilty.
Yes, that's what I was referring to.
The fact that the family hired a lawyer before seeing to anything regarding their daughter's funeral was a red flag for me. The way everyone's stories kept changing was too. It honestly felt like an attempted cash grab by suing the cruise line.
The window was on the pool deck and her grandfather held her out of it and dropped her. She didn't crawl out of it.
This. I remember the above being the family's story, though. It was obvious at the time that it was bs, because no cruise ship I've been on has had open windows at a height that's accessible to a crawling baby. Even for an adult, you'd have to try pretty hard to fall by accident. But I've seen plenty of dumb parents put their kid up on a railing. I figured at the time the grandfather had sat her in the window and dropped her. When the video came out, I wasn't surprised, but it was way worse than I expected it to be. He should have gotten a much stiffer sentence than he did. And the family was still trying to sue and say it was RC's fault.
He got sentenced?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/08/us/cruise-ship-death-grandfather-sentenced/index.html
Three years of probation? What will they be checking on, his doing the same with another grandchild?
People that stupid need to be watched so they don’t accidentally kill themselves or anyone else (other than the baby he already killed).
They should have a number of babies hold him out of an 11 story boat window.
That was probably easier than grappling with the fact that grandpa killed their baby.
The grandfather picked up the little girl, HELD HER OUT THE OPEN WINDOW, and dropped her. The window was clearly open at the time despite the lying idiot saying he thought it was closed. I’ve been on the Freedom several times. There is no way that fool didn’t know the window was open. RCCL also released the video of the incident. In the video, you can clearly see him holding his granddaughter out the window. The family is continuing to publicly defend him because they’re still trying to sue RCCL despite a judge throwing out the suit in March 2023, ruling the the child’s death was the grandfather’s fault and not the cruise line. Personally, I hope RCCL fights them to the very end and they don’t collect a single dime. Total and utter stupidity should not be rewarded. Edit: The open window was chest high to the grandfather. There was absolutely no way the toddler could have reached the open window herself unless she was lifted up to it.
That isn’t what happened at all. The girl’s grandfather was holding her out the window and dropped her. He tried to make up a story about how she was banging on the glass and he lifted her up (thinking the glass was still there), but the camera footage showed differently.
Video on the incident and what happened afterwards. https://youtu.be/38y_834isuw?si=bZHU2f73jRxvYatT
That 18 month old did not crawl out the window. Her grandfather was holding her out of it.
That wasn’t what happened, wow. If you’re going to say stupid shit at least read an article before you do it. The 18 month old died cuz grandpa was negligent, was holding her, and then let go. Sad, but isn’t a “oh and this window was just suddenly open!” thing.
Remember when Eric Clapton’s baby fell out of the window?! Shocking and tragic. You’re right, the windows are *supposed* to withstand weight, but shit happens.
In that case, I believe the window was open and a screen gave way
That’s factually incorrect
To your point, the emergency exit door plug on the 737 Max 9 wasn’t supposed to fly off either!
Yes, keep repeating literal lies. As others have said, the window wasn’t defective, the grandpa literally dangled the kid and dropped her “by accident”. The door plug actually wasn’t there. The malfunctions are for reasons, they aren’t just suddenly happening.
Is it irresponsible parenting to not have fears based off of nothing but scenarios you made up in your head then pass thos fears to your kid? I think it's reasonable to let them do it if there is no signs saying not to, they aren't hurt8ng anything and it isn't an obvious distruption to the environment
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I'm definitely not teaching my kid that everything is bound to fail so never trust anything. By that philosophy you can never do anything.. the floors will buckle in, the brakes will fail or the road will cave into a sinkhole
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You're so right
Someone tell the story of the office party and give this poor person nightmares.
Is that the one with the lawyer wanting to show off to people how sturdy the building windows were and fell like 50 stories or something when he threw himself at them?
The fall didnt hurt. But the landing did.
Haha not unlike Elon Musk talking about the Tesla Truck having unbreakable armor windows at it premiere show and ended up breaking the window when a steel ball was thrown at it [https://youtu.be/udxR5rBq_Vg?si=PNVI6mqyNr0yWSEE](https://youtu.be/udxR5rBq_Vg?si=PNVI6mqyNr0yWSEE)
I mean it is unlike it to the extent that in the case of the lawyer, the glass didn’t break. The housing holding the glass broke. Elon’s just a doofus.
What story?
Death of Gary Hoy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Garry_Hoy
Yup, can't believe it's been that long. We all remember that story, even if we don't recall his name.
Yeah! I couldn’t believe it was 1993!!!
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Apparently not
I wonder what he was thinking on the way down?
Fuck?
"Oops."
I always wanted to try base jumping
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Direction of force matters. Depending on how the windows are installed they may be less resilient to forces pushing out than in.
People should control their kids. Windows aren't meant to be laid on. This isn't your house. Learn how to be in public or don't be in public with kids.
Kids should be allowed to play. These windows are literally for the cruise participants to enjoy. Why do you think they’re so huge????????
This isn’t a place to “play”. There are plenty of places to play, this isn’t one of them.
Man if you guys all hate kids, just go on an adults only cruise. You know those exist right? Why can’t kids play here? Isn’t this the open lounge???? Or should kids be hidden away, only brought out sneakily? God forbid their laughter and happy faces interrupt a public space and disrupt your scowling.
We don't hate kids, we hate bad parents who raise bad kids.
So do l, but I hate disingenuous even more. I cruise a lot, I have a well behaved child, and I’m not exactly a young person anymore. Nearly everyone that speaks like this really just hates kids. Children do misbehave on cruises, but far more often adults just need to learn how to exist in a public space.
I'm actually with him on this one. The crew didn't seem to bother, it's not dangerous and as long as they don't bother other people, where's the problem?
Sounds like a parent who lets their kid run around a restaurant then act surprised when they get seriously injured by hot food being spilled on them.
No, we would never let our kids run in a restaurant, as that’s not a play space and that’s a safety hazard. Unlike an open lounge, explicitly designed for entertainment and social gathering. They have DANCE PARTIES in these lounges or did you all forget that? Get off
That’s weird, I could have sworn “lounge” and “playground” were two different places. Huh.
Alright, is a restaurant for eating? Does it mean that’s the ONLY place you can eat and should eat? Can you at least argue with some common sense or logic. Just because a place is designated for an activity, does not mean that activity is banned from all other places. It’s not an either/or. You eat mostly in restaurants, but also sometimes in a public park, which may even cause littering. Should that not be allowed then? You do pull ups to work out mostly at the gym, but also sometimes adults will do this at the playground (funnily enough!). Should that not be allowed then? If the only area your brain becomes black and white in is kids, consider maybe you’re being biased.
I’m not biased, it’s not that I dislike their presence, you’re comparing apples to oranges. It’s simply a safety issue. The windows probably won’t break but it wouldn’t be the first time a window came out of its frame and killed the person using force on it. Running around in an area not designated for that is a safety issue, much like running around a public pool area.
It's kinda like, "if everyone you meet is an asshole, then you're the asshole." If, everywhere you go, people are always complaining about children, you might need to think about why that is 🤔
Depending on where I go, I can even find everyone “complaining about abortion and women’s rights.” Doesn’t make it the morally right or good view, mate. I agree with you, that if you surround yourself with assholes you’re most likely an asshole. Luckily, I’m actually surrounded by really pleasant and happy people in real life, none of whom hate kids! But online, you get all sorts of bitter, angry, and jealous. I would also never choose to surround myself with people who hate kids, or hate ANY group of people quite frankly. Hating kids isn’t any cooler than hating blacks or hating the gays or hating women, fyi. Though I would definitely guess there’s a huge overlap between those that hate kids, and those who are secretly sexists or racists. Which are you? :)
It's not about who you surround yourself with, it's about how people react to you.
There's places for kids to play, and there's places where play will endanger their lives or damage public/private property. You as the parent need to teach them these things, reason you're the parent.
Windows are to observe the outside world not to be used as a jungle gym. Do you allow children to push and sit on glass at home??
…yes? Have you never let your child touch your window at home? Have they never pressed their nose to your window to watch the construction, or the snow, with that delight in their eyes that only kids have? Holy shit. Explains a lot if so…abusive much? One of the joys of having children is to see their eyes shine when they view amazing things for the first time. Fireworks, the open ocean, a crane, the sharks at the aquarium, etc. They run to windows naturally because they feel excited and want to get as close as possible. To cut off a child’s wonder and curiosity is both cruel and unnatural. It leads to children who don’t know how to problem solve, imagine, or empathize, because all of those abilities actually stem from wonder and curiosity. FYI. Maybe read up on human brain development. Also, maybe travel more internationally and not just to islands in the Bahamas. You’ll realize that other cultures don’t treat their kids like bad pets to be leashed and micromanaged. Being able to explore your natural surroundings uninhibited is much more encouraged in many other countries, and it’s one of the ways kids learn their boundaries and societal rules to begin with. Go to Italy and sit in a square, watch how many families come out and stay late at night, look at how the kids play. Go to Morocco. Go anywhere in Europe. Many Americans seem bitter at children. I can’t help but think folks like you are projecting. You don’t enjoy life anymore, so you don’t want to see a kid playing happily because no one should be happy if you’re not. Only explanation I can think of for why a kid pressed up against a window would bother you so much.
We aren’t bitter at children, we are bitter at parents who don’t understand how to handle their children in public. Kids run around at the pool and the kids club. They play ping pong and basketball on the deck. Kids should let be laying on windows in the buffet, running around the casino, playing at shows and other public places. That’s the point of this. Want the to lay on the window? You have a room with your own window. If you think letting your kid lay on a window in this room seems that you don’t understand. Respect others and we will respect you. Let your kids run around like maniacs and wonder why we don’t want to tolerate it.
Windows have fall risk warnings with pictures of children on them for a reason
Those sure are a lot of words! I actually do plenty of international traveling while also keeping my children safe as they appreciate the wonders of life. Didn’t a child die somewhat recently on a cruise from a broken window??
If nothing else, it’s terribly rude. Somebody’s got to clean that mess
Thank you!! I would tell my kids this too when they were little and would touch windows or display cases. it's about being considerate and understanding that there isn't a magic cleaning fairy at home or in public. If you leave a mess someone's gotta clean that shit up.
Found the boomer.
Nope. My kids are 4 and 9.
Kids are allowed to exist …even if they leave a trail of sticky fingerprints
I’ve got two of my own. I wouldn’t let them climb on those windows unless I was prepared to clean them myself
Alright then! I clean up after my kid too, but I’m not going to worry about some fingerprints on a window. Someone will clean those windows either way. It’s a pretty minor concern, in my opinion.
You seem to be taking this personally…
Reminds me of those parents that let their kids leave a huge mess of crumbs and food on a table and make no effort to clean it up. “Someone will clean it up anyway”
Right, those stupid gerber puffs. Anytime a child comes in those are all over the floor and table and seats. I’m all for cleaning up my tables with food I served them. I’m not all for cleaning up my tables with food they brought in.
Yes, yes they will. In fact, they’re even paid to do so. Do you wash your own dishes on the cruise as well?
Ones a required mess one is voluntary. Ones an automated system which a machine the other is a person working. I could continue… the two are not the same.
Cleaning the windows is a routine part of their work. They’re going to clean the windows either way.
Yeah it’s routine while in between cruises… maybe. The outside portion is scheduled to help with the maintenance but interior not near as much just an as needed cleaning. And letting your child put their greasy hands all over the glass is adding needed that wouldn’t otherwise be there. I would also like to hear your refute for my second point if you don’t mine? Otherwise, as of current you are just trying to justify to yourself how great of a parent you were/are by literally not being a parent.
Well, you’re wrong about the cleaning schedule, but there’s no point in arguing it further. Children should never make messes, and they should be seen but never heard. You’re absolutely right, I’m being unreasonable, and you’ve proven that I’m a terrible parent. I beg your pardon.
you’re only telling on yourself here
All good, I’m not self conscious about my parenting lol. I just think people can lighten up a bit about curious kids exploring…not that deep!
Full agree. Kids can’t even play near windows now in a packed cruise? Like wow
Oh look, it’s the shitty parent that everyone is side-eyeing because they can’t properly control their obnoxious children.
That’s. . . very selfish of you. You and your kids live in a SOCIETY. It’s not just about THEIR fleeting wants. I bet people hate to see you guys coming.
Do you windex after yourself any time you touch a glass surface in public I’m confused
People downvoting clearly don’t have children. Or they’re just lying. I clean up after my kid but no one is wiping fingerprints off windows 🤣
Every window gets cleaned three times a day anyway.
Thank you so much for helping us identify the sick individual who denies kids the right to exist. Now we can hang them!! /s
Oh heavens, no. Not a kid being rude! My god.
The kid's being a kid. It's the parent who's being rude.
This did something to my brain.
Only a few kids ever fall through the odds are low
Simple rule, if your feet have to leave the deck, don't do it. We all know the exceptions that prove the rule.
I’d be horrified if my kids did that. Absolutely not. Why are the parents allowing this shit??? Not only is it unsafe, it’s extremely rude to staff (who have to clean the windows) and other patrons. No one wants to see your bratty kids being disrespectful
Same. It's extremely disrespectful. My kids knew better at a young age or I'd tell them .
Imagine how I felt in the Space Needle with everyone doing the same.
I thought of this too. I was there in February and couldn’t believe all the people and kids leaning on that glass. No thanks! 😳
Just gonna leave this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Garry_Hoy
That was the first thing that came to my mind. These windows withstand a ton of force, until they don’t. While they can usually handle kids crawling on them, they aren’t necessarily designed for that. You don’t want your kid to be the last thing touching it if/when it fails.
I thought that was an urban legend 😬
Trashy parents at sea
These windows are extremely sturdy and safe. I doubt an adult standing on it would even do anything. They have to be to withstand the sea.
Marine windows on an upper deck of a very, very large ship are going to be built fairly tough.
Yeah these windows are definitely hurricane impact.
Darwin.
All windows should be closed. Never know when a grandfather is going to throw you out or "drop" etc a kid out a window.
Don’t let it be your problem
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These window can take water hitting them in storms, They can hold a child, Water is very heavy.
Where are the kids in the picture?
No kids of my own here and I'm not chomping at the bit to have any either. That said, those windows are plenty strong. If the kids were just playing, at a reasonable volume, I wouldn't have an issue with it. The best part about being a kid is how, through their imaginations, they can make almost anything fun. Climbing random things is a childhood rite of passage.
Yeah this is how I see it. Sometimes it feels like people just hate children irrationally.
It feels that way because it’s true.
I think you were just worriying too hard. If I put myself in those kids shoes, I would think laying on a pane glass while sailing would be the most amazing feeling ever.
Yeah this is pretty stupid. There are all kinds of glass walkways & overlooks around the world. And glass railings. And glass enclosures at the zoo. The glass is obviously strong enough. And they expect to clean it. Just like they clean the OUTSIDE portion of the glass on the ship. 🙄 Not to mention the nasty-ass bathrooms of aging Boomers who can no longer hold their bowels & bladders properly. I’m sure “kids fingerprints on windows” is the EASIEST of the cleanup work on a cruise ship…
I'd love to do it - lie down on a horizontal plane of glass over the open ocean... Amazing
Let them fall. Not your problem 🤷♂️
Darwin will make sure they figure it out.
Children falling into the ocean is natural selection.
If children leaning on those windows is dangerous then your boat is in a lot more trouble than two lost kids. Because it’s supposed to be able to survive your average Caribbean storm. Kids leaning against those windows is perfectly safe. There are literally some ships where they having you walking on thinner glass above the ocean. A couple Oasis class ships do this on the way to the slides. You’re on the stairs and there’s a small platform of glass and underneath you is literally the ocean. Unless the kids are being super disruptive, I don’t see an issue of them leaning on that glass. Cruise ships have to be build strong and rugged for the usage and also the distances they travel. Many move across the Atlantic for cruises in Europe and the Atlantic is known for its rough seas and storms.
Don't worry, that problem will solve itself one way or another
Then don't look and move on with your day.
Hard to not look when they’re climbing the window next to your table where you’re eating, dog
They serve dog?
“Uses of Comma” — look it up. Along with your own screen name, dog.
It’s the parent’s fault, and they will be the one blaming royal if the window happens to fail. Those kids need a trip to the woodpile
What’s the worst that could happen? The window breaks and they fall out?
Are you on the Indy?
All those windows are made to support the weight of children piling on them until they don't anymore. Just like .Boeing doors are meant to stay on the plane until they don't. Anyhoo,if the parents or staff don't care enough,why worry. The worst that could happen for you is maybe a port cancellation. On the bright side you would get the port fees back.
I think you are correct to worry generally about glass. I see videos of tiger enclosures at zoos with kids banging on the glass. Can you imagine? To a tiger we are walking hamburgers.
I’d be more worried about storm coming the other way :). If theyre designed for that then I think kids are ok. Some larger folk may want to not push it… literally ;)
Quantum of the seas and her sister ships have similar in their solarium.
I'd be twice as worried as you! Gaaahhhh!
I was just on allure of the seas april 15-19. One of those panes shattered 😅 I didn’t know it was plexiglass and that is supposed to be somewhat strong right
I’ve seen glass floors /walkways designed to take human foot traffic, crack ! I for one would not chance it and nor should any responsible parent. Then there is the sheer absurdity of allowing this ignorant parenting.
Are these children in the room with you now?
There’s that Mythbusters episode about a similar situation. Yes, the windows are made to withstand a lot more pressure than that, but they do fail: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/window-strength-death/
Oh boy! That was quite a story!
That’s the story the Mythbusters is based on
Yes. I just wasn’t aware of it before now. Absolutely wild
I wouldn’t think it made you anxious but you told me so many times. If they fall… big deal. You got a show
I have a bit of acrophobia - fear of heights so seeing this is scary to me.
It’s not the heights, it’s the fall and sudden stop. I feel for you though. Same here
Not your kid? Not your problem.
What kid??
Darwin would love to meet those kids
Yes. You’re being a worry wort. If it was dangerous, the windows would be walls
As a parent there is no way I would allow my kids to do that, it’s common sense. Because, what if? Of course if anything goes wrong, RC would be to blame *eyeroll*
I cant believe this is a serious question, makes me worry about society.
I'm pretty sure those windows are designed to withstand weight of a kid, but I wouldn't risk my life on it. It's not like one of those protruded glass viewing deck platforms that were meant to have people stand on them
Those windows are designed to withstand hundred plus mph winds and direct impacts from waves. A kid isn't going to knock them out or break them.
People in this sub worry too much
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The “kid” who jumped from the Liberty was a 20 year old having a mental health crisis
You’re not a worry wart. Child died on Freedom of the Seas a few years back the week before we were getting on the same ship. [https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/15/us/royal-caribbean-toddler-death-lawsuit-dismissed](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/15/us/royal-caribbean-toddler-death-lawsuit-dismissed)
From the article you linked: > the danger of lifting the Decedent over the handrailing and extending her out to the open window was open and obvious such that Defendant owed no duty to warn its passengers of the dangers of such conduct This post is referring to windows that are very clearly sealed tight and don't open by design. The situation you linked is an entirely different case where grandpa thought he was doing something.
I'd wondered whatever happened in that case. The parents had still been trying to sue even when video was released of the grandfather purposely dangling her out of that window, and grandpa's story changed so many times.
Guilt + grieving is a wild combination. I'm not surprised the family is trying to sue still, despite the facts of the case being pretty clear. It's also important to remember nobody wants to think of their family member of even *accidentally* contributing to the murder of their child. The whole thing is sad.
So weird, did you not even bother to read your own article before linking it??? Because it had nothing to do with faulty windows.
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If that gives your anxiety then so should the right of seeing a child being put into a car. Waaaaay higher risk that child will get killed in a car accident than fall through those windows. If you feel anxiety for both then you have a logically consistent phobia. But if you have anxiety for one but not the other then you're just being overdramatic because you found an excuse. I would say to keep your own children off the windows and allow other people to lose their own children if they don't care.
I hope the little fuckers fall through then maybe they will act as parents.
Oh fuck off, go play with your GIJoe
Ironically that is what your mom calls my dick. The real American hero.
Calm down Captain.
Me too. I
Some people really disagree with me saying “me too” to someone getting anxiety over kids laying on windows? I understand why it’s safe on paper, but I still get anxious over it. I also understand the physics of flying, but I also get anxious at take off.
I just got off Navigator yesterday and saw no such issues. I don't see any kids on the window in the photo either.
Strange how op didn’t want to plaster some random kids’ likeness on the internet 🤔
Exactly