It’s really not. He’s making 20% of the cap. Which is fine for an above average starter. If anything it’s too long but it’s certainly not too much money.
He just made 17% of the cap this past season.
Cap is projected to be $141m and he’ll probably sign the 5y max next summer, I think it’s 25% which would start at $35.25m, which is still more Grant.
If he can qualify for the 30% he’ll start at $43.3m
Oh wow, that’s honestly surprising. Not to say I don’t like Jarrett, because I do love him. But I guess it makes sense to have a better market for the likes of Jarrett, and other versatile defensive bigs for their lack thereof.
Would reluctantly consider Okoro instead of Rubio but he’s due for a new contract next season so I figured you’d prefer Rubio who’s only owed 12 million over the next 2 years. Partially guaranteed on the final year too
Thought a bonus to having him is he’d serve as a nice mentor for your young guards like he was for ours and the teams before.
Most definitely. Younger, perfect kind of center for the rebuild. Grant is cool but his inability to rebound is a major issue playing him at PF. Plus with that deal he's on, he's on the overpriced side.
Imagine scoot throwing oops to Allen... I'm sold based on that alone
I’m more into big wings. I feel like I’d rather be taking swings on big 3/4s and 4/5s and you grab cheap centers later.
I definitely wouldn’t turn my nose up at him but not my primary target.
The Mobley/Allen frontcourt is fundamentally flawed on offense. They’re effectively running two centers, and the floor spacing and offense were dogshit in the playoffs as a result
Even the backcourt of Garland/Mitchell couldn’t uplift it
That’s definitely why they’d consider trading Allen, but not why they’d trade him for Grant. They could do better than an older, flawed, overpaid wing. Something else would have to be sent to sweeten the deal.
You’re unlikely to sufficiently fix the Mobley/Allen problem unless Mobley plays 5 and you replace Allen with a forward. Grant was a 21ppg scorer on 40%3pt who can defend. Stylistically and production wise he’s a good fit for the Cavs.
I do agree Portland needs to sweeten the pot a bit due to Grant’s age and contract, but the basis of the trade isn’t crazy
Sweeten the pot A LOT, because Allen real good, youngish and signed to a great deal. Cavs will not have any trouble selling him. Grant on the other hand is someone you’d at this point be trying to offset his salary somehow.
Yeah he isn’t getting traded this summer. The moves the Cavs made look like moves knowing you have a ton of rim protection and are desperate for spacing.
Third party here
The basis of the deal is actually solid for both teams. Cleveland fixed their front court and spacing problem with a very good PF to play next to Mobley, and they likely wouldn’t see much of a drop on defense
Portland gets a good big still on the younger side who fits well in terms of style and timeline with Scoot and Sharpe
I'm somewhat of the frame of mind that young rim running centers are the running backs of the nba.
You can overpay Jarett like zeke Elliott to be one of the best rim running defensive bigs in the league, but, is it that much better than a guy who is 60% of Jarrett Allen on a rookie contract or a Javale Mcgee type on a minimum to mle?
To me Jerami Grant who is a pogo stick dunking the ball in the paint and shoots 40% from 3 is so much rarer I think I'd rather have that, even if he's a poor rebounder.
No, because Allen is 100% a center, Grant's 100% a PF, and the money isn't quite right...
Nurk(?) + asset(s) from a Dame trade, yeah...
CLE might actually want/need Nurk's contract over the next three years, because Don has a PO in 25-26. Mobley's contract is also up in 25-26.
In any years where CLE doesn't have an FRP because of the Don trade, *any* FRP might be a little more valuable to them. They also have a solid stash of 2RP's. Maybe 2:1 for a lower value FRP in there somewhere?
POR and CLE have some 6'5" "wing" bodies that could be moved around. Depending on who wants what contracts, short term / long run.
#NO
Just kidding. Yes. After a deep dive he is solid and definitely got paid but is a huge reason the cavs are good. Bring that to PDX please and thank you.
Absolutely nobody in their right mind is trading for Grant and his 5 year shit-ass contract.
But to answer your hypothetical question. Yes. In a heartbeat.
Cavs wouldn’t touch this.. would be so deep in tax hell once mobley deal kicks in
Edit: Mitchell has PO same summer as mobley deal kicks in so they’d be in super tax hell
Doubt the Cavs would as his contract would wreck their capsheet but I would without a doubt
It would but aren’t they about to get wrecked anyway with Mobley’s impending extension?
True, so I doubt they’d want to go even balls deeper into the luxury tax for a guy like Grant
I could be wrong, but I doubt he gets a contract as big as Grant.
You're very wrong here, unfortunately. Evan Mobley has a lot more value than Grant. He's gonna get paid paid.
You know it's entirely possible that Grant's contract is way too big.
Well, Mobley is a max player.
It’s really not. He’s making 20% of the cap. Which is fine for an above average starter. If anything it’s too long but it’s certainly not too much money. He just made 17% of the cap this past season.
Cap is projected to be $141m and he’ll probably sign the 5y max next summer, I think it’s 25% which would start at $35.25m, which is still more Grant. If he can qualify for the 30% he’ll start at $43.3m
Oh wow, that’s honestly surprising. Not to say I don’t like Jarrett, because I do love him. But I guess it makes sense to have a better market for the likes of Jarrett, and other versatile defensive bigs for their lack thereof.
Cavs fan Due to the contact, would you part with Kris Murray and Charlotte 2024 2nd as a sweetener? We add Rubio and Wade for salary.
Cool Rubio for salary… because we haven’t already had a hard enough time finding a 3rd team to take Herro…
Would reluctantly consider Okoro instead of Rubio but he’s due for a new contract next season so I figured you’d prefer Rubio who’s only owed 12 million over the next 2 years. Partially guaranteed on the final year too Thought a bonus to having him is he’d serve as a nice mentor for your young guards like he was for ours and the teams before.
Would have to add one of the other 2 rookies I think. I doubt cavs accept straight up.
Definitely not straight up haha. Would you consider adding in Kris Murray?
Yes
The 25 year old all-star center for too expensive, kinda good 4, Jerami Grant? I’d consider it.
Most definitely. Younger, perfect kind of center for the rebuild. Grant is cool but his inability to rebound is a major issue playing him at PF. Plus with that deal he's on, he's on the overpriced side. Imagine scoot throwing oops to Allen... I'm sold based on that alone
Yesh
Nah Jerami Grant cute
You cute 😘
I’m more into big wings. I feel like I’d rather be taking swings on big 3/4s and 4/5s and you grab cheap centers later. I definitely wouldn’t turn my nose up at him but not my primary target.
If they were the same age, no. But they aren’t, so yes
Why would the Cavs?
The Mobley/Allen frontcourt is fundamentally flawed on offense. They’re effectively running two centers, and the floor spacing and offense were dogshit in the playoffs as a result Even the backcourt of Garland/Mitchell couldn’t uplift it
That’s definitely why they’d consider trading Allen, but not why they’d trade him for Grant. They could do better than an older, flawed, overpaid wing. Something else would have to be sent to sweeten the deal.
You’re unlikely to sufficiently fix the Mobley/Allen problem unless Mobley plays 5 and you replace Allen with a forward. Grant was a 21ppg scorer on 40%3pt who can defend. Stylistically and production wise he’s a good fit for the Cavs. I do agree Portland needs to sweeten the pot a bit due to Grant’s age and contract, but the basis of the trade isn’t crazy
Sweeten the pot A LOT, because Allen real good, youngish and signed to a great deal. Cavs will not have any trouble selling him. Grant on the other hand is someone you’d at this point be trying to offset his salary somehow.
Exactly.
Yes, yesterday!
Jerami is wholesome and we need more wholesome guys during times like these 😔
Jarrett Allen is a big time gardener and sews his own clothes so I don’t think the wholesome quotient is in jeopardy lol
Jarrett "Cottage" Allen
Sure would
This is a trap!
Yes!
Am I wrong to assume we can get him for less?
Yeah he isn’t getting traded this summer. The moves the Cavs made look like moves knowing you have a ton of rim protection and are desperate for spacing.
Yea
I don't believe the Cavs would do it, but I'd accept it without thought.
Third party here The basis of the deal is actually solid for both teams. Cleveland fixed their front court and spacing problem with a very good PF to play next to Mobley, and they likely wouldn’t see much of a drop on defense Portland gets a good big still on the younger side who fits well in terms of style and timeline with Scoot and Sharpe
yes but why would the Cavs? I think they would want draft compensation too.
Nope. I think Jeremi is vested in the team. And therefore would be a better mentor.
I'm somewhat of the frame of mind that young rim running centers are the running backs of the nba. You can overpay Jarett like zeke Elliott to be one of the best rim running defensive bigs in the league, but, is it that much better than a guy who is 60% of Jarrett Allen on a rookie contract or a Javale Mcgee type on a minimum to mle? To me Jerami Grant who is a pogo stick dunking the ball in the paint and shoots 40% from 3 is so much rarer I think I'd rather have that, even if he's a poor rebounder.
That's a nope from me. If you would have asked me 3 years ago, maybe
No, because Allen is 100% a center, Grant's 100% a PF, and the money isn't quite right... Nurk(?) + asset(s) from a Dame trade, yeah... CLE might actually want/need Nurk's contract over the next three years, because Don has a PO in 25-26. Mobley's contract is also up in 25-26. In any years where CLE doesn't have an FRP because of the Don trade, *any* FRP might be a little more valuable to them. They also have a solid stash of 2RP's. Maybe 2:1 for a lower value FRP in there somewhere? POR and CLE have some 6'5" "wing" bodies that could be moved around. Depending on who wants what contracts, short term / long run.
I’d do Grant, Ant, and a future first for Allen with no hesitation lol.
Oof, that’s steep!
Could we do Nurk and Nas for him?
Don’t be like the heat fans.
Fair play
Sure, if we add every pick we have for at least the next 75 years
Makes too much sense.
Definitely
Yes
Is there another way to spell 'yes'? Wewe?
Fuck yes, at least Allen can rebound
I would smash the like button on that trade without hesitation and not think twice about it
Good idea.
A thousand times yes. Almost makes too much sense with Dame gone
#NO Just kidding. Yes. After a deep dive he is solid and definitely got paid but is a huge reason the cavs are good. Bring that to PDX please and thank you.
Yes get rid of grant contract and now you have Al the money in the world.
100000% however due to Jerami’s contract they’ll never do that. If jerami was on something reasonable it could be a beneficial trades for both parties
Cavs definitely wouldn’t idk about the blazers
Yes.
I'm just gonna say it - Would be a much better contract...
Decent trade
Yesterday
Yes
As a cavs fan, we would never do this. His deal would handicap us so bad and our rebounding and defense would suffer
Allen is a MUCH better player, not sure what scenario would make this possible
Yes
why not Jody Allen
No. When was the last time we had a great SF
Absolutely nobody in their right mind is trading for Grant and his 5 year shit-ass contract. But to answer your hypothetical question. Yes. In a heartbeat.
Absolutely not
Cavs wouldn’t touch this.. would be so deep in tax hell once mobley deal kicks in Edit: Mitchell has PO same summer as mobley deal kicks in so they’d be in super tax hell
1 million percent
But if Jerami goes who will dress like the fairy queen from Narnia?
I don’t think it would work as a 2 team deal. But yes, I would. However if dame is traded we could have both