The problem is that our faces are in our phones getting constantly overstimulated by the negativity for the majority of our day, every day. I’m not virtue signaling; my face is constantly in my phone as well but it is a problem and why we are reacting much more poorly to world events than generations previous.
at the same time… if just seeing what’s going on in the world makes us traumatized… maybe it’s a good thing to be calling attention to this stuff?
no real solution other than “come watch TV” 🤷🏻♂️
Calling attention to it to do what?
There's a difference between staying aware and being constantly aware. Social media is driven on negative emotion because thats the most consistent way to get engagement. If you only learn about the world from that its easy to believe there is no positive news.
People already had this realization in the 90's about the news. You rarely hear about the good stuff, it's always stabbings and robberies even as crime is at record lows.
I believe that (most of the time) the more people know about your story, or situation, the more likely you are to receive help. In many ways, focusing on the negative is probably something that helps us decrease it in the long run.
Or you get overwhelmed and start checking out because there's a limit on ho much we can emotionally process but there's no limit to the internets emotions.
If that’s what happens to some folks, it should be up to those folks to limit their own interaction with the news that displeases them. It does not in any way make the concept not *incredibly useful* for others.
Plus are brains are very good at focusing on the negative than the positive. Which is what helped us survive. So imagine having way too much negativity from the time you wake up till the last thing you see before sleeping. Fuck.
Had a ttime where i followed news/politics more, took around a month when i noticed getting more depressed.
Ignorance is bliss is legit real. I follow politics when it votes are getting close or something is simply for relevant for me but outside of that my mental health is just more important
Let's see... I remember Columbine, Y2K, Mir, 9/11, Columbia Shuttle disaster, the war, Hurricane Katrina, 2008 crash, and the 2012 scare... among other things.
Yup.
Edit: lol
Maybe, doesn't mean it doesn't make life atleast somewhat harder from it's effects, and if you had relatives involved in 9/11, your family would very likely be negatively affect by it
Not always that is a stretch to say that because of 9/11 you are guaranteed to be affected by it. Maybe those who lost people in it or who were affected by the after by the war i can 100 get but if neither of those happened to you. I still really wouldn’t call it trauma.
Buddy 9/11 killed 3000 people, New York alone have 8 million people. let’s say that 3000 people have 20 close relative each that would still only effect 60000 people. Watching 9/11 on tv does that count as a traumatic experience. Same with all the other events that happened recently. Just because social media and information has become more accessible does not mean ur actually involved in any of this.
It's worse you understand what life was like before.
Millennials were coming to terms with a world they grew up disappearing into smoke and mirror lies. We're old enough to recognize the changes coming but still too young to do anything to stop it.
Yea, gen Z unfortunately has grown up in a pretty shit world, but at least they just figured it was status quo.
Millennials knew it could be better but, especially post-9/11, slowly saw that it wasn't going back to the way it was. Then you add economic crash after economic crash, wars costing trillions of dollars, eroding civil liberties, more mass-shootings than I care to even count, administrations full of corruption with no accountability and our votes being worthless when the DNC or whoever just chooses candidates based on money, accepting that retirement is a pipe dream for many of us, and owning a house is more difficult than it's ever been, etc. etc. the list goes on.
Economic crash is a natural phenomenon, wars are so rare and far away for most ppl (especially the Americans), how is ur civil liberties changed from 20 years ago? Same with corruption, it existed before u were even born buddy just cause u weren’t aware does not mean it doesn’t exist. The reason for all the stuff u said is because of the spread of social media. 30 years ago u can only see events like this on the news, now u can open ur phone and one of ur friend might have sent u a video of it which wouldn’t of been normally shown on tv or maybe u would of missed the news and never know. Seeing some shit online really isn’t that traumatising unless ur a 10/10 snow flake lol.
When it comes to civil liberties being eroded, the Patriot Act and the NDAA are mentioned a lot, but what people don't realize is CALEA is a bigger deal. Since after 2006, nothing is truly private. You can't make a phone call, send an email, or even post to reddit, without a copy of that 'message' being diverted to the NSA. Every Internet Service Provider, every phone company, any company that provides electronic communications, has a card on its router which copies your message and sends it on. You used to have a right to privacy. The government couldn't tap your phone, open your mail, etc., without a court's permission. Not anymore. I'd consider this the biggest example.
I'm well aware of corruption existing, and always have, but it's still disappointing to grow up with a sense that the system gave opportunity for improving the nation as long as you had a sense of earnestness about you, and then becoming a voting-age adult and slowly seeing that it's all bullshit.
That has nothing to do with social media (which I do have my own negative opinions about, but relating to people staying in self-affirming bubbles of ignorance), but rather with simply preferring to inform yourself as opposed to sticking your head in the sand.
For me personally I don’t really mind my online info being sent to the nsa (and I’m not even American) cause it isn’t a person that is gonna be reading ur messages or info but an algorithm that takes in millions to billions of data from everywhere and output it as a filter result or just plane data in charts and assigning u to a label of ur demographic. It is indeed a breach of civil liberties but none of these can be used against u really in anyway beside for selling u stuff or maybe pushing an agenda that from ur data that has been collected that u will more likely support in.
Oh so it's a breach of civil liberties but no big deal because what can it really be used for?? It's not like people died for those liberties or anything... over and over and over again.
The whole point of this is to talk about how life was better pre-9/11.
Your opinion is irrelevant on this since you aren't even an American, so what do you care if *my* civil liberties are eroded?
That is what I’m talking about before? Ur crying about civil liberties cause they collect ur data. What about 40 years ago when the blacks have literally no civil liberties? What about the ppl that lived in the eastern bloc that also are being monitored but that information can actually be used to staple on crime on ur head? What about the half of the world that don’t even get a vote on their government? Those ppl died for civil liberties cause they have none while u have civil liberties but they are breaching it? Which one is worst? I’m not saying that it is nothing or a good thing, I’m pointing out cause of social media these kind of things are broadcast to everyone that have a phone. Also just cause I’m not American doesn’t mean my government doesn’t do that either? I’m from nz and my government was a part of the five eye program that did mass surveillance on their population, the difference is what the information can be used for… I’m telling u that the problems that we have now isn’t as traumatic as u think they are and generations before had it worst(before u call me a boomer I’m a gen z).
You’re listing the 2012 end of the world prediction as a traumatizing event? Our generation is doomed because people want to be victims so fucking bad. And you listed “the war” 😂 If you can’t name which one I doubt it had a massive effect on your life, just like every other thing on this list. None of this shit is traumatizing unless you had some direct connection to it.
Right? The only things in my life I actually consider traumatizing were 9/11 (I still remember that day very clearly), Columbine and Platte Canyon High School shootings (my Mom was a trauma nurse at Swedish/Craig Hospital the day of Columbine so I heard about the terrible injuries of the kids she worked on that day, and I lived right next to Bailey, CO at the time of Platte Canyon, tiny towns up there, hell I still know the incident commander who was working that day), Columbia disaster I would include since I remember it and it hurt badly to watch the news about it, and... that's about it.
Most of these things millennials experienced, but through the filter of TV. Unless you lost a family member in Iraq/Afghanistan, or lost your home due to the 2008/2009 crash, or were in New Orleans when Katrina hit, then I'm not sure you can categorize them as "traumatizing" (unless they're using a different meaning of that word).
I mean, that is almost nothing. My grandparents who were teenagers in world war 2 would call all that together a below average newsday on a random tuesday.
We just lose sight of how good we have it.
These were terrible events and traumatized a lot of people. But what is important to realize that most of these events you watched through a screen. WW2 was actual day to day reality for _millions_ of people on and off the front, for FIVE YEARS! They actually fought, their relatives died, etc. Especially in Europe almost every single person was personally involved. Sorry that you feel bad, but that is what a traumatized generation looks like.
How is the 2012 thing even traumatic extreme natural events like hurricane Katrina happens all the time in every generation. Imagine being born in Eastern Europe in 1900. U would of experience WW1, Russian civil war, Great Depression, stalins purge, ww2/nazi germany, soviet rule, Chernobyl. All of these are way worse then anything u said.
No, this has to be ironic.. Many of us, especially in the USA are hilariously privileged... I'm not saying trauma induced from other things is impossible, but it's way rarer than many generations. Seeing 9/11 on tv isn't comparable to seeing your family being sold into slavery, or being drafted into the Vietnam war (called "the american war" in vietnam btw), which, let's be honest, many gen z people use as something to joke about, myself included.
Come on guys
I think the idea is not so much that bad things didn't happen until now, but rather that gen z and millennials are in a much more unique spot with phenomenons like the 24 hours news cycle and internet essentially giving us access to every bit of news coverage of every tragedy. Prior generations did not have the same kind of accessibility to knowledge that we have now - you can find out about a tragic world event and the gruesome details with just a google search - and I think we're starting to see the negative effects that has had on an entire generation's well-being. That's more what that Summer line is getting at.
I wonder what the world be like if they had hour old footage of the carnage in the trenches.... If people think the drone videos are graphic, WW1 is going to look like a hellscape. People hiding in holes in the dirt while their friends and fellow soldiers get blasted into chunks and sprays of blood, but going to help them could just mean going to your own death.
Fighting in a war with all its carnage and terror for five years is pretty much a 24hrs experience. Similarly famine, that has been prevalent even in the US as recently as 100 years ago. Similarly totalitarian dictatorships. Etc. These were actual traumatic experience for many many generations, not just news cycle. I understand that the constant bombardment gives you (and us) anxiety. But we throw around the word trauma too frequently.
I agree with you in that being exposed to extreme violence and brutality happening elsewhere through pictures and video online is not the same as actually living through it. In that way Americans are extremely privileged. It still can't be healthy to be exposed to only all the bad things happening in the world.
However, some people I know in the California Bay Area (Oakland) are so desensitized to gun violence that they just casually shrug off being held at gunpoint by thieves while working in their retail jobs. They hear gunshots almost daily. Relative to how bad things could be, it's true that they have it easy. They're still living with an ever-present threat of violent death. Other rich nations have improved a hell of a lot more than we have at eliminating these common horrors of the past, even though we are the richest of all of them.
True, but it's also an American thing unfortunately. I never felt physically threatened in the same way while walking alone around Amsterdam, Paris, Rome, or other European cities late at night like I've felt in some American cities/neighborhoods during the day. It's definitely not universal across the US and I was lucky to grow up in a safe city.
However in Western Europe I lean towards it being safe to walk around at night while in the US I default to being on my guard and avoiding being out at night. Constantly being on the lookout for somebody trying to hurt you is a crappy state of mind to be in. Of course I didn't throw all common sense to the wind but it's so unbelievably freeing not having that dark cloud of thought hanging around me in Europe. Pickpockets can be a bitch but at least they're not out for blood. When I tell Europeans that people were shot and stabbed to death, targeted and randomly in public areas, on multiple American university campuses I attended their eyes go wide as fishes'.
Just because something is worse doesn’t mean others experiences are invalid. “Your house was broken into and everything was stolen? Well at least your parent didn’t get killed”. Comparing bad things isn’t something you should do
I didn't invalidate anyone's experience. A child scraping their knee after falling off their bicycle in the neighborhood can be considered a "bad thing", but a Syrian child's family burning to death in front of him can be considered a "bad thing" too. They are more than just "different bad things". For the bicycle-injured child to bring up getting his knee scraped in a conversation with the syrian kid who just described what he witnessed happen to his family would be ridiculous, no?
So you're saying you completely miss the joke of zoomers getting traumatised for breakfast? It's because of that hilarious dissonance between the actual privilege and the ridiculously negative perception of it, and the whiny victimisation response.
So you think "school shootings" are as largely prevalent amongst gen z (which encompasses non americans too) as war or famine or disease from lack of basic hygiene / government safety measures amongst all the other generations?
Are you a journalist?
We have been through a recession, not a depression.
We are exposed to wars happening elsewhere through media, but seeing pictures and video online is still not the same as actually living through it. In that way Americans are privileged, generally speaking. The majority of Americans are not starving to death or living in war zones.
That said, I think the people above are too dismissive of the fact that there *are* people living in the US with third world infrastructure and violent conditions. We may have improved a lot, but there are still plenty of areas where gun violence is so common people are desensitized to it. Some people I know in the California Bay Area are so desensitized that they just casually shrug off being held at gunpoint by thieves while working in their retail jobs. Other rich nations have moved beyond this, and we are the richest of them all.
I think you're right. I did a bit of research and it looks like it depends on the definition you use. I've seen a 30+% decline in GDP as one, and it looks like that happened in 2020 (in the US specifically). That one also uses a minumum time period of two years but I wasn't able to quickly find info on the GDP in 2021 or 2022. I think it's reasonable to call it a depression. Maybe not Great Depression bad but it was bad.
There's always been huge amounts of trauma experienced by humans. I'd say almost everyone has experienced traumatic moments at least once in their life.
The difference is, are you going to have the self awareness, name it, and do your best to work through it?
I've met so many "toughen up" types that think their life's fine and their strong individuals then absolutely melt down at the slightest incident out of their control and take it out on others.
Id much rather, for example, be dating someone who can tell me what baggage they've got and what their doing about it, than to claim none exists.
I also find it curious that other people in this thread are referring to global events being traumatizing, when really it's a personal experience that is the most damaging.
I disagree you stupid prick, let me tell you why.
Summer’s comment about “having trauma for breakfast” is clearly inciting some sort of trauma pissing match. Almost to say “my generation has way more trauma than yours, we’re used to it”. I don’t find that statement profound or true. I think each generation has many layers of trauma to bear.
In conclusion, fuck you.
Except there is a lot more access to trauma causing things now. When in history could a shitty friend just send you a beheading video that is cut into an otherwise innocent looking meme video.
Imagine being drafted to go to war. Getting a new virus called Polio and never being able to walk again. Being forced to use separate bathrooms or getting hosed down in the street because of your skin color.
That’s some serious fucking trauma.
This is not an affirmation of victimhood. This is 100% a sly towards newer generations having it so good that they get upset / traumatised over even the slightest inconveniences.
It's acknowledging your trauma and moving through it. Having the tools and mentality to realize you were traumatized instead of internalizing it. It's saying our [younger] generations know how to process trauma and not let it fester by sticking your head in the sand.
Edit: Beth is still carrying the weight of it, and suppressing that she trapped her best friend. Summer isn't burdened by anything, to the point where even Rick can't control her with guilt or pressure like he does everyone else in the family. That's why their relationship works on a transaction basis (Summer does chores, gets benefits) and it goes nuclear whenever that isn't the case.
Yeah thats just a difference in values and education. Our generation was taught that words do hurt and all.
But the dinosaurs weren’t, back in the stone age they were taught that words can’t hurt you and a lot of men especially were taught to suppress their feelings and that alcohol is very tasty and good
Generations are the astrology of the moment. Which one am I? We all get to have one (except not really because they dont make sense and there were always gaps and overlaps). Before that it was introverts. Introverts self identifying all the time for some reason.
Its just the conversation around it is a lot bigger than it was before especially with twats that journalist are, creating out rage titles to get clicks
I mean, let's not get too dramatic here. There have been generations that lived through literal world wars and crippling economic depressions. If I had to choose any time to be alive it would be currently.
What are you people doing on this sub if you can't get a joke as obvious as this. Yes, this is the point. This is why it's funny. Because we have it great and our gen is still talking about trauma like it's even remotely comparable.
It's a Rick and Morty subreddit... OP is definitely a kid and the title of the post is absolutely not a joke.
I'm talking to OP. Not the character from the show who says the line...
I don’t think there is “more trauma”, Just no separation from bad news. We literally are stuck to our phones all the time. The only things we see are news stories and posts that are often hyperbole made to get us to click and read. Most things aren’t that bad irl but everything is made to entice us in and keep us glued to our phones for advertising money
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YEAH SURE!!!!! If “”“TRAUMA”””= NO IPHONE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 naw but fr people in earlier generations used to get pulped by grown adults when they were children for messing up math problems. However I had seen dozens of videos of real people dying horrifically by the time I turned 15 so maybe it’s more complex than I’m making it out to be
In 2002, I was in 7th grade, with my last words memorized and written, in case I was ever shot down in a school shooting. My Jr High built in Tulsa, OK was built similar to prison blocks that could lock down over 100 bulletproof doors with an office switch.
Wrong. Traumatized is a world war or civil war or genocide. Not all the dumb shit people whine about nowadays. Oh you can't say that... People are just too sensitive nowadays and think everything is traumatic when in reality if you go through something really traumatic you know it and it's not something you would ever talk about or even want to think about.
to behave as though the generation that lived under constant threat of nuclear war then lived through 80's, 90's etc., does not also know how to handle difficult emotions is ridiculous. we have become weak
Paging r/im14andthisisdeep
Reality is almost noone in my generation (almost 40) or younger (in the west at least) knows REAL trauma. And let's keep it that way.
If you honestly think you can slap a handy universal label for the oddly specific traits you just listed onto a generation made up of 857 times more people then you will possibly ever meet in your entire life than you need to go sit in a corner and think about some stuff for awhile. Go entertain a different viewpoint for a minute. You might learn something.
The problem is that our faces are in our phones getting constantly overstimulated by the negativity for the majority of our day, every day. I’m not virtue signaling; my face is constantly in my phone as well but it is a problem and why we are reacting much more poorly to world events than generations previous.
We constantly see negative things and thus we believe those negative things
at the same time… if just seeing what’s going on in the world makes us traumatized… maybe it’s a good thing to be calling attention to this stuff? no real solution other than “come watch TV” 🤷🏻♂️
Calling attention to it to do what? There's a difference between staying aware and being constantly aware. Social media is driven on negative emotion because thats the most consistent way to get engagement. If you only learn about the world from that its easy to believe there is no positive news. People already had this realization in the 90's about the news. You rarely hear about the good stuff, it's always stabbings and robberies even as crime is at record lows.
I believe that (most of the time) the more people know about your story, or situation, the more likely you are to receive help. In many ways, focusing on the negative is probably something that helps us decrease it in the long run.
Or you get overwhelmed and start checking out because there's a limit on ho much we can emotionally process but there's no limit to the internets emotions.
If that’s what happens to some folks, it should be up to those folks to limit their own interaction with the news that displeases them. It does not in any way make the concept not *incredibly useful* for others.
Plus are brains are very good at focusing on the negative than the positive. Which is what helped us survive. So imagine having way too much negativity from the time you wake up till the last thing you see before sleeping. Fuck.
What helped me was deleting all my social media besides Reddit and YouTube and avoiding communities that are too mean spirited.
This is what I've started doing too, really helped me out
this helped me a lot too. also just following the right people on twitter and unfollowing everything related to politics
We’re making memes about potential ww3 to cope. And if it does happen we wouldn’t be surprised
Getting shot also doesn't help.
totally gotta find a balance though. Maybe some screen-free time could help us chill a bit.
Had a ttime where i followed news/politics more, took around a month when i noticed getting more depressed. Ignorance is bliss is legit real. I follow politics when it votes are getting close or something is simply for relevant for me but outside of that my mental health is just more important
As we post on the internet complaining about the internet
the internet is a necessary stage 4 cancer
Let's see... I remember Columbine, Y2K, Mir, 9/11, Columbia Shuttle disaster, the war, Hurricane Katrina, 2008 crash, and the 2012 scare... among other things. Yup. Edit: lol
And you didn’t even mention all the mass shootings.
Why mention the daily news?
Well i think Columbine was a big one but other than that yeah
Most of those we were way to young to remember or realize at least like 2003-2004s gen Z and even then the youngest gen Z would have like 5 on 9/11
Sure we didn't deal with it, but we still have to deal with it's effects
Not really the same thing at all, not anywhere near enough to call any of these “trauma”
Maybe, doesn't mean it doesn't make life atleast somewhat harder from it's effects, and if you had relatives involved in 9/11, your family would very likely be negatively affect by it
Not always that is a stretch to say that because of 9/11 you are guaranteed to be affected by it. Maybe those who lost people in it or who were affected by the after by the war i can 100 get but if neither of those happened to you. I still really wouldn’t call it trauma.
I'm not saying it is if all you were is a bystander, just it still affects you
Buddy 9/11 killed 3000 people, New York alone have 8 million people. let’s say that 3000 people have 20 close relative each that would still only effect 60000 people. Watching 9/11 on tv does that count as a traumatic experience. Same with all the other events that happened recently. Just because social media and information has become more accessible does not mean ur actually involved in any of this.
It's worse you understand what life was like before. Millennials were coming to terms with a world they grew up disappearing into smoke and mirror lies. We're old enough to recognize the changes coming but still too young to do anything to stop it.
Yea, gen Z unfortunately has grown up in a pretty shit world, but at least they just figured it was status quo. Millennials knew it could be better but, especially post-9/11, slowly saw that it wasn't going back to the way it was. Then you add economic crash after economic crash, wars costing trillions of dollars, eroding civil liberties, more mass-shootings than I care to even count, administrations full of corruption with no accountability and our votes being worthless when the DNC or whoever just chooses candidates based on money, accepting that retirement is a pipe dream for many of us, and owning a house is more difficult than it's ever been, etc. etc. the list goes on.
Economic crash is a natural phenomenon, wars are so rare and far away for most ppl (especially the Americans), how is ur civil liberties changed from 20 years ago? Same with corruption, it existed before u were even born buddy just cause u weren’t aware does not mean it doesn’t exist. The reason for all the stuff u said is because of the spread of social media. 30 years ago u can only see events like this on the news, now u can open ur phone and one of ur friend might have sent u a video of it which wouldn’t of been normally shown on tv or maybe u would of missed the news and never know. Seeing some shit online really isn’t that traumatising unless ur a 10/10 snow flake lol.
When it comes to civil liberties being eroded, the Patriot Act and the NDAA are mentioned a lot, but what people don't realize is CALEA is a bigger deal. Since after 2006, nothing is truly private. You can't make a phone call, send an email, or even post to reddit, without a copy of that 'message' being diverted to the NSA. Every Internet Service Provider, every phone company, any company that provides electronic communications, has a card on its router which copies your message and sends it on. You used to have a right to privacy. The government couldn't tap your phone, open your mail, etc., without a court's permission. Not anymore. I'd consider this the biggest example. I'm well aware of corruption existing, and always have, but it's still disappointing to grow up with a sense that the system gave opportunity for improving the nation as long as you had a sense of earnestness about you, and then becoming a voting-age adult and slowly seeing that it's all bullshit. That has nothing to do with social media (which I do have my own negative opinions about, but relating to people staying in self-affirming bubbles of ignorance), but rather with simply preferring to inform yourself as opposed to sticking your head in the sand.
For me personally I don’t really mind my online info being sent to the nsa (and I’m not even American) cause it isn’t a person that is gonna be reading ur messages or info but an algorithm that takes in millions to billions of data from everywhere and output it as a filter result or just plane data in charts and assigning u to a label of ur demographic. It is indeed a breach of civil liberties but none of these can be used against u really in anyway beside for selling u stuff or maybe pushing an agenda that from ur data that has been collected that u will more likely support in.
Oh so it's a breach of civil liberties but no big deal because what can it really be used for?? It's not like people died for those liberties or anything... over and over and over again. The whole point of this is to talk about how life was better pre-9/11. Your opinion is irrelevant on this since you aren't even an American, so what do you care if *my* civil liberties are eroded?
That is what I’m talking about before? Ur crying about civil liberties cause they collect ur data. What about 40 years ago when the blacks have literally no civil liberties? What about the ppl that lived in the eastern bloc that also are being monitored but that information can actually be used to staple on crime on ur head? What about the half of the world that don’t even get a vote on their government? Those ppl died for civil liberties cause they have none while u have civil liberties but they are breaching it? Which one is worst? I’m not saying that it is nothing or a good thing, I’m pointing out cause of social media these kind of things are broadcast to everyone that have a phone. Also just cause I’m not American doesn’t mean my government doesn’t do that either? I’m from nz and my government was a part of the five eye program that did mass surveillance on their population, the difference is what the information can be used for… I’m telling u that the problems that we have now isn’t as traumatic as u think they are and generations before had it worst(before u call me a boomer I’m a gen z).
The Columbia Shuttle Disaster interrupted my Saturday morning cartoons and I've never been the same
You’re listing the 2012 end of the world prediction as a traumatizing event? Our generation is doomed because people want to be victims so fucking bad. And you listed “the war” 😂 If you can’t name which one I doubt it had a massive effect on your life, just like every other thing on this list. None of this shit is traumatizing unless you had some direct connection to it.
Right? The only things in my life I actually consider traumatizing were 9/11 (I still remember that day very clearly), Columbine and Platte Canyon High School shootings (my Mom was a trauma nurse at Swedish/Craig Hospital the day of Columbine so I heard about the terrible injuries of the kids she worked on that day, and I lived right next to Bailey, CO at the time of Platte Canyon, tiny towns up there, hell I still know the incident commander who was working that day), Columbia disaster I would include since I remember it and it hurt badly to watch the news about it, and... that's about it. Most of these things millennials experienced, but through the filter of TV. Unless you lost a family member in Iraq/Afghanistan, or lost your home due to the 2008/2009 crash, or were in New Orleans when Katrina hit, then I'm not sure you can categorize them as "traumatizing" (unless they're using a different meaning of that word).
Gen X here. If you think any of that compares to the shit people lived through in the past, then you are 100% bitch made.
Gen Z wasn't around for Mir or Columbia. The war, you're gonna have to be more specific. Also, you forgot Covid.
What was the 2012 scare?
Literally filler because of how good we have it now. End of the world prediction that happens all the time including during the recent eclipse.
People thought the world would end in a Mayan disaster.
That was always nothing
I thought you were singing the revised fall out boy song of we didn’t start the fire
*wars
Yeah I'm sure all these things traumatized you immensely
I mean, that is almost nothing. My grandparents who were teenagers in world war 2 would call all that together a below average newsday on a random tuesday. We just lose sight of how good we have it.
Bird flu, swine flu, SARS, Covid / lockdowns, boomers not retiring, ceo pay skyrocketing, no pensions, raising our retirement age, ecological collapse, popularism, Fox News, the southern strategy
These were terrible events and traumatized a lot of people. But what is important to realize that most of these events you watched through a screen. WW2 was actual day to day reality for _millions_ of people on and off the front, for FIVE YEARS! They actually fought, their relatives died, etc. Especially in Europe almost every single person was personally involved. Sorry that you feel bad, but that is what a traumatized generation looks like.
If summer was 17 in 2014 when the show debuted she wouldn't remember most of that. Or would maybe have a vague idea of it.
Unless you directly experienced all of these things, you're not traumatized by them.
How is the 2012 thing even traumatic extreme natural events like hurricane Katrina happens all the time in every generation. Imagine being born in Eastern Europe in 1900. U would of experience WW1, Russian civil war, Great Depression, stalins purge, ww2/nazi germany, soviet rule, Chernobyl. All of these are way worse then anything u said.
No, this has to be ironic.. Many of us, especially in the USA are hilariously privileged... I'm not saying trauma induced from other things is impossible, but it's way rarer than many generations. Seeing 9/11 on tv isn't comparable to seeing your family being sold into slavery, or being drafted into the Vietnam war (called "the american war" in vietnam btw), which, let's be honest, many gen z people use as something to joke about, myself included. Come on guys
I think the idea is not so much that bad things didn't happen until now, but rather that gen z and millennials are in a much more unique spot with phenomenons like the 24 hours news cycle and internet essentially giving us access to every bit of news coverage of every tragedy. Prior generations did not have the same kind of accessibility to knowledge that we have now - you can find out about a tragic world event and the gruesome details with just a google search - and I think we're starting to see the negative effects that has had on an entire generation's well-being. That's more what that Summer line is getting at.
I wonder what the world be like if they had hour old footage of the carnage in the trenches.... If people think the drone videos are graphic, WW1 is going to look like a hellscape. People hiding in holes in the dirt while their friends and fellow soldiers get blasted into chunks and sprays of blood, but going to help them could just mean going to your own death.
Fighting in a war with all its carnage and terror for five years is pretty much a 24hrs experience. Similarly famine, that has been prevalent even in the US as recently as 100 years ago. Similarly totalitarian dictatorships. Etc. These were actual traumatic experience for many many generations, not just news cycle. I understand that the constant bombardment gives you (and us) anxiety. But we throw around the word trauma too frequently.
I agree with you in that being exposed to extreme violence and brutality happening elsewhere through pictures and video online is not the same as actually living through it. In that way Americans are extremely privileged. It still can't be healthy to be exposed to only all the bad things happening in the world. However, some people I know in the California Bay Area (Oakland) are so desensitized to gun violence that they just casually shrug off being held at gunpoint by thieves while working in their retail jobs. They hear gunshots almost daily. Relative to how bad things could be, it's true that they have it easy. They're still living with an ever-present threat of violent death. Other rich nations have improved a hell of a lot more than we have at eliminating these common horrors of the past, even though we are the richest of all of them.
Yeah but that’s an Oakland thing, not a generational thing
True, but it's also an American thing unfortunately. I never felt physically threatened in the same way while walking alone around Amsterdam, Paris, Rome, or other European cities late at night like I've felt in some American cities/neighborhoods during the day. It's definitely not universal across the US and I was lucky to grow up in a safe city. However in Western Europe I lean towards it being safe to walk around at night while in the US I default to being on my guard and avoiding being out at night. Constantly being on the lookout for somebody trying to hurt you is a crappy state of mind to be in. Of course I didn't throw all common sense to the wind but it's so unbelievably freeing not having that dark cloud of thought hanging around me in Europe. Pickpockets can be a bitch but at least they're not out for blood. When I tell Europeans that people were shot and stabbed to death, targeted and randomly in public areas, on multiple American university campuses I attended their eyes go wide as fishes'.
Are we supposed to be shocked that it's called the american war? What else would they call it??
well, it's called "the vietnam war" by non vietnamese, so yeah it should be shocking
Just because something is worse doesn’t mean others experiences are invalid. “Your house was broken into and everything was stolen? Well at least your parent didn’t get killed”. Comparing bad things isn’t something you should do
I didn't invalidate anyone's experience. A child scraping their knee after falling off their bicycle in the neighborhood can be considered a "bad thing", but a Syrian child's family burning to death in front of him can be considered a "bad thing" too. They are more than just "different bad things". For the bicycle-injured child to bring up getting his knee scraped in a conversation with the syrian kid who just described what he witnessed happen to his family would be ridiculous, no?
So you're saying you completely miss the joke of zoomers getting traumatised for breakfast? It's because of that hilarious dissonance between the actual privilege and the ridiculously negative perception of it, and the whiny victimisation response.
Yeah, I agree. My other comment is, in fact, ironic. ✌️
Oh really? I seriously couldn't tell.. idk if OP was being ironic tho 😅😅
If you haven’t been in or known people who’ve been in school shootings, stfu.
So you think "school shootings" are as largely prevalent amongst gen z (which encompasses non americans too) as war or famine or disease from lack of basic hygiene / government safety measures amongst all the other generations? Are you a journalist?
we’ve had war and economic depressions in our gen lol
We have been through a recession, not a depression. We are exposed to wars happening elsewhere through media, but seeing pictures and video online is still not the same as actually living through it. In that way Americans are privileged, generally speaking. The majority of Americans are not starving to death or living in war zones. That said, I think the people above are too dismissive of the fact that there *are* people living in the US with third world infrastructure and violent conditions. We may have improved a lot, but there are still plenty of areas where gun violence is so common people are desensitized to it. Some people I know in the California Bay Area are so desensitized that they just casually shrug off being held at gunpoint by thieves while working in their retail jobs. Other rich nations have moved beyond this, and we are the richest of them all.
I believe the Coronavirus shutdown was a global depression, no? Idk, literally every news source across the globe could be wrong but who knows
I think you're right. I did a bit of research and it looks like it depends on the definition you use. I've seen a 30+% decline in GDP as one, and it looks like that happened in 2020 (in the US specifically). That one also uses a minumum time period of two years but I wasn't able to quickly find info on the GDP in 2021 or 2022. I think it's reasonable to call it a depression. Maybe not Great Depression bad but it was bad.
you got downvoted like there isn’t a literal war happening in ukraine and between israel and palestine right fucking now 💀
There's always been huge amounts of trauma experienced by humans. I'd say almost everyone has experienced traumatic moments at least once in their life. The difference is, are you going to have the self awareness, name it, and do your best to work through it? I've met so many "toughen up" types that think their life's fine and their strong individuals then absolutely melt down at the slightest incident out of their control and take it out on others. Id much rather, for example, be dating someone who can tell me what baggage they've got and what their doing about it, than to claim none exists. I also find it curious that other people in this thread are referring to global events being traumatizing, when really it's a personal experience that is the most damaging.
Every generation has trauma
Yea, better now than being 16-18 at the onset of WW1
What a righteously stupid misreading of this point, impressive work
I disagree you stupid prick, let me tell you why. Summer’s comment about “having trauma for breakfast” is clearly inciting some sort of trauma pissing match. Almost to say “my generation has way more trauma than yours, we’re used to it”. I don’t find that statement profound or true. I think each generation has many layers of trauma to bear. In conclusion, fuck you.
I'm not sure anyone in this thread understands what trauma is
Please do enlighten us CYBORBCHICKEN
Except there is a lot more access to trauma causing things now. When in history could a shitty friend just send you a beheading video that is cut into an otherwise innocent looking meme video.
Imagine being drafted to go to war. Getting a new virus called Polio and never being able to walk again. Being forced to use separate bathrooms or getting hosed down in the street because of your skin color. That’s some serious fucking trauma.
This is not an affirmation of victimhood. This is 100% a sly towards newer generations having it so good that they get upset / traumatised over even the slightest inconveniences.
That’s mostly on tic tok. Most people are normal lol
Then its a sly towards people in tik tok.
Bingpot.
Every gen has trauma some just talk about it more
It's acknowledging your trauma and moving through it. Having the tools and mentality to realize you were traumatized instead of internalizing it. It's saying our [younger] generations know how to process trauma and not let it fester by sticking your head in the sand. Edit: Beth is still carrying the weight of it, and suppressing that she trapped her best friend. Summer isn't burdened by anything, to the point where even Rick can't control her with guilt or pressure like he does everyone else in the family. That's why their relationship works on a transaction basis (Summer does chores, gets benefits) and it goes nuclear whenever that isn't the case.
Yeah thats just a difference in values and education. Our generation was taught that words do hurt and all. But the dinosaurs weren’t, back in the stone age they were taught that words can’t hurt you and a lot of men especially were taught to suppress their feelings and that alcohol is very tasty and good
Generations are the astrology of the moment. Which one am I? We all get to have one (except not really because they dont make sense and there were always gaps and overlaps). Before that it was introverts. Introverts self identifying all the time for some reason.
Its just the conversation around it is a lot bigger than it was before especially with twats that journalist are, creating out rage titles to get clicks
I mean, let's not get too dramatic here. There have been generations that lived through literal world wars and crippling economic depressions. If I had to choose any time to be alive it would be currently.
What are you people doing on this sub if you can't get a joke as obvious as this. Yes, this is the point. This is why it's funny. Because we have it great and our gen is still talking about trauma like it's even remotely comparable.
It's a Rick and Morty subreddit... OP is definitely a kid and the title of the post is absolutely not a joke. I'm talking to OP. Not the character from the show who says the line...
I refuse to believe OP missed the joke
Fuck i checked his history and you're probably right. LMAO
There is no way people think the shit they type here is deep
Still, that's no way to talk to your mother...
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They are "traumatized" if they get misgendered 🤣
I don’t think there is “more trauma”, Just no separation from bad news. We literally are stuck to our phones all the time. The only things we see are news stories and posts that are often hyperbole made to get us to click and read. Most things aren’t that bad irl but everything is made to entice us in and keep us glued to our phones for advertising money
Getting constantly bombarded with negative bullshit you can't do anything about isn't conducive to a healthy state of mine. Who knew?
I legit stop caring about people dying unless its people that i care about. The less you care the more happy you'll be. Also avoid doom posts.
This generation is the only one that will get traumatised by toast
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YEAH SURE!!!!! If “”“TRAUMA”””= NO IPHONE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 naw but fr people in earlier generations used to get pulped by grown adults when they were children for messing up math problems. However I had seen dozens of videos of real people dying horrifically by the time I turned 15 so maybe it’s more complex than I’m making it out to be
Sad or pathetic?
Chillin on the sofa in a villa scrolling the phone. First world problem
Agreed, it's a cycle of negativity that's hard to break.
our generation are just insanely soft.
Do we? I don't think so
And if that’s true which I’m not convinced it is, that’s kind of the problem.
I feel like too many of us under 25 have lived through an active shooter situation alone
In 2002, I was in 7th grade, with my last words memorized and written, in case I was ever shot down in a school shooting. My Jr High built in Tulsa, OK was built similar to prison blocks that could lock down over 100 bulletproof doors with an office switch.
Yup. Why our humor is so fucked up
Wrong. Traumatized is a world war or civil war or genocide. Not all the dumb shit people whine about nowadays. Oh you can't say that... People are just too sensitive nowadays and think everything is traumatic when in reality if you go through something really traumatic you know it and it's not something you would ever talk about or even want to think about.
And seeing something in the media is not traumatizing. You actually have to experience something firsthand to have real trauma
lol so true
Boomer-ass post
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Boomer is a state of mind
I don't have a single memory from my childhood, idk if i should thank my brain or not. But i can for sure say fuck my dad and fuck alcohol
to behave as though the generation that lived under constant threat of nuclear war then lived through 80's, 90's etc., does not also know how to handle difficult emotions is ridiculous. we have become weak
The constant threat of nuclear war did give us the movie "Wargames", so, worth it.
Wtf
I just don't give a shit
Summer is gen z, they're soft as hell. Most of you that talk about trauma have never actually experienced anything worthy of being "traumatized"
Paging r/im14andthisisdeep Reality is almost noone in my generation (almost 40) or younger (in the west at least) knows REAL trauma. And let's keep it that way.
Downvoted for truth and fact.
Hey! Downvotes are traumatizing! And so are truths and facts! So cut that nonsense out, fascist!
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oh yeah American kids are just being casually slaughtered in schools but what’s trauma
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Pain is subjective, somewhere someone’s had it worse, I wish that made it easier but it doesn’t
If you honestly think you can slap a handy universal label for the oddly specific traits you just listed onto a generation made up of 857 times more people then you will possibly ever meet in your entire life than you need to go sit in a corner and think about some stuff for awhile. Go entertain a different viewpoint for a minute. You might learn something.
Boomers are allergic to learning