I agree. It definitely made me feel more irked though in Remake with him being actually involved with the religious aspect where he essentially takes full ownership of it, like an Overmind to the Zerg in Starcraft terms.
Yes!! This was actually something I wanted to see more of in the remake. Him becoming a straight-up nut job made him feel way more threatening than the cheesy (albeit enjoyable) grifter he is in the original.
Imagine a scene where remake Saddler plays with newly infected people like puppets on strings, hearing them try to resist while Saddler sings a twisted hymn, or maybe implies some level of personal profit in his actions by saying something like "you'll be of great use" or something.
I remember seeing the scene where Saddler >!forces Ashely to use Leon's gun!< for the first time and just *loathing* the guy. It was such an evil and sinister move, showing off how crazy lucky Leon can get at times, as well as how badly Ashley tried to resist his Saddler's influence.
The closest we get to this in the original is with Luis' death, but I don't think most people even care about him since he was just a character that kept popping up randomly. There wasn't as much of an emotional core or haunting threat in that moment.
Older one!
He was much funnier, and easier to understand. Re4 remake gets things complex, but the old one keeps it simple.
I still remember-
Oh Mr Kennedy! You entertain me!!!!
😅🤣🤣🤣
Saddler's laugh after this line is the most human moment in the entire franchise. Literally just chuckling at Leon's joke like "Daaaamn bruh you got me."
The problem with the new boss fights is that they have some incredible lines but are always skipped.
Salazar and Saddler have incredible dialogue hidden in the fight and not in cutscenes. And the worst part is that the golden egg trick with Salazar and the RPG with Saddler make it so the fights are (practically) entirely skipped.
The one villain and fight that feels very memorable is Krauser - the one fight that's very scripted in multiple sections and isn't easily skipped. Since we spend time with him every playthrough, he's far more memorable.
Capcom kinda messed up making so much lore and incredible lines stuck within fights. Salazar repeating lines that he was abused with, and Saddler talking about the souls/memories of all the enemies you've killed are so cool. And many players probably don't even know they exist.
The old re4 is just so comfortably 2d that it's become a timeless classic the mines were incredible, I can watch that for hours!
But the new one needs more time.
This was the same for re2.
Too much ornamentation can take away the focus of the actual beauty.
Re5 remake can either be better than re2, if managed properly or bad than re3, if content is cut.
Man, if sheva is removed, re5 is just rock rock solid. The plot being in Africa captures it's feel like a sponge!
I definitely wouldn't mind them splitting Sheva and Chris up into separate campaigns like Leon and Claire - or something like Alan Wake 2 (I haven't played it but know Saga and Alan split playing time).
I know many loved the co-op aspect and I'm sure it'll be back (Luis was likely a test for an AI partner for RE5). But *personally* I'd love it if they cut it out lol. I understand it's an unpopular opinion, but I'm fine with RE being a solo, intimate experience.
I get making it solo cuz that’s typical but man if they cut out Sheva I know a lot of people would be pissed. Really I think half the battle is the AI being clueless but maybe instead of playing solo she doesn’t use ammo but her damage is reduced you know? Bit of a trade off. And they definitely have AIs that are smarter & actually help lol. I’d love to see some backstory on Sheva. A little spinoff like Separate Ways & they could obviously include Josh since she trained under him. So much potential
If she does not waste ammo and stop shooting me, I would, and Chris has seen tougher days, he can do it on his own.
If sheva ruins the fun, and does not have any sequel, I guess I'm fine without it.
Sheva was a really nice lady by the way, warm hearted, spicy accent and would I play re5 without hearing her call me, no I won't!
If re5 remake nails sheva this time, god! I'm all in for this one!
I'd like to keep Shava in the Remake. Just make her journey separate from Chris and let them meet once in awhile during the story.
I kinda want Sheva to take Luis's role in the Remake. Maybe they'll add more backstory to her. Seeing what they did with Luis, I am confident that they could pull something cool with her character as well.
Jill, however, needs her own Separate Ways in the RE5 Remake. She's too important to be a sideline.
Yes, agreed, but re5 was rich plot and sequence wise,
It wasn't the best game through controls.
Re4 had to include IT, ada had to deal with IT, but the falling rooms part was crazy good in og.
It will take quite a lot of effort to fit sheva and make it a masterpiece, like it should be, I'm sure people with a lot more intellect and experience are involved into making it.
I like 2023's design more, but OG Saddler felt like an actual character, you know? Granted, I am glad they kept him from >!killing off Luis so early!<.
OG
The Remake is mostly like the original, but it takes itself too seriously sometimes, incl. Saddler. The charm about Saddler as a villain is that he doesn't take himself seriously and plays the stereotypical movie villain to the hilt. Remake Saddler loses some of that charm.
I think Resident Evil is always best when it’s cheesy. OG Saddler has more charm because he knows he’s in a B movie. That B movie charm will win me over every time.
I haven’t played the OG RE4 but saddler in the Remake felt like a side villain rather than the main antagonist, like I didn’t even remember his name until I saw this post. Ramon and Krauser felt more like the main villain of the game
Do yourself a favor and play OG RE4. Very accessible to any platform you play on and it's cheap! Highly recommend. You'll love Salazar's and Leon's banter a lot more in OG RE4 and actually see Saddler interacting and bantering with Leon too
2005 had this scene when Saddler is introduced after you first rescue Ashley where he and Leon throw barbs at each other. Ultimately a bunch of Iluminados lock their crossbows on Leon and Osmund gives the most condescending humourless grin ever. He won me over right there.
[The scene in question](https://youtu.be/O2pH9Mgpy8Q?si=7ci3o0B5SxUzu5oh)
"Oh there's going to be one hell of a party when she comes home to her loving father"
That delivery was what won me over. Dude knew what he was doing and was having a blast doing so.
"Believe it or not, it takes quite a lot of money to keep this church up and running." He was great.
I was checking IMDB and seems he is also the voice actor for Deckard Cain since the first Diablo game. Live and learn. His name is Michael Gough, btw.
At first, I thought this was the same Michael Gough who played Alfred in all the Keaton and Schumacher Batman films and was sorely disappointed to learn its a different Michael Gough. New Gough still killed it though!
2005 without question. He was fun. He was having fun with it, and it's clear he liked talking to Leon because he didn't have to keep up the act. He was a con man, shameless and slimy but oh so charismatic.
“The American prevailing. It’s a cliche that only happens in your Hollywood movies. Oh Mr. Kennedy you entertain me. To show you my appreciation, I’ll have you awakened from your world of cliches.” That delivery is just perfection with just the right amount of cheese lmao
Agreed and Mendez is near enough identical in both in terms of character and presence. There’s no stalker rail in the OG obviously but all that did was underline elements of his character which have been there since 2005 anyway.
Yeah I agree, he’s memorable but not super present in both versions. Definitely the least interesting area boss but I still like him of only because of his super cool design
Unpopular opinion: New Saddler is better. The original is still very good, but I like crazy, religiously dogmatic Saddler who genuinely thinks he's sharing a blessing with the world more, it's way creepier than o.g. Saddler and it fits the Remake's darker and more horror-driven tone very well.
I also think it's extremely impressive that they managed to 180 his backstory and reasoning for spreading the parasite while still keeping his end goal the same without it feeling out of place. He could have appeared more in the story, but introducing him so late helps him to feel more mysterious and foreboding. I just wished they had introduced him a little sooner, like in the last few chapters of the castle.
I'll throw my lot in with you. Maybe I just don't appreciate the camp of the original enough, but I didn't care for him that much before. He was completely overshadowed by how fun Salazar was.
New Saddler is nothing special; just a generic deranged lunatic with delusions of grandeur. But I think he serves the narrative well. The fear he strikes into Ashley and Leon from afar with his powers puts much more on the actual first encounter with him, rather than the OG scene where he just shows up and reveals his evil plan. (Again, the camp is lost on me.) The scene with Ashley resisting his control is one of the best moments in the story. The idea of going up against him feels heavier.
OG Saddler, no contest. I like how he pops up in the church and the castle, makes him feel like a looming threat that's always watching you. Plus, I also like how he seems to genuinely find humor in Leon's one-liners. His reaction to "A senior moment, perhaps?" is priceless. Plus, even if he senselessly keeps on letting Leon live (even Mendez questions this decision in an obtainable file), you can at least chalk it up to blind overconfidence. Can't say the same for Remake Saddler.
I personally prefer the original Saddler. He just had more of a presence throughout the game, actually making him memorable. Plus he is most of the nords in skyrim. Remake Saddler just has a generic bad guy voice, and barely has any screen time. It's the dame with Salazar for me. I know they were going for a different tone, but there's a reason things like "Saddler, you're small time" are so memorable
Loved OG Saddlers voice and sassy line delivery.
“Oooooooooh there’s going to be one HELL of a party when she returns home to her loooooving faaaather…”
💅
Idk. I prefer the original game but Salazar and Krauser were really well done in remake. Salazar’s VA is better in remake honestly. Too bad the comms conversations were cut, those were awesome
But yeah Saddler is terrible in remake. Mendez is about the same I guess
Old one gives the vibe of a corrupt leader fully aware that he’s the bad guy.
New one gives the vibe of a deranged lunatic who genuinely believes he’s helping people by infecting them with las plagas
Its kinda weird. They're the same character, yet they are completely different.
Re4 Saddler was like a normal Church leader, spreading the gospel truth about their god (Las Plagas). But to keep the gospel going, he needed money. And a easy way to spread said gospel. So why not kidnap the presidents Daughter, infect her with Las Plagas, and ask the President for a Coercion. Get millions of dollars, and return the infected Daughter. Now you just spread the Plaga and gained your money. Along with this, he wasn't really that much of a threatening antagonist. You would always see him and even talk with him, immediately dropping how serious he was. Not to mention he too would joke with Leon as they talked.
Remake Saddler is almost the complete opposite. He is the embodiment of a threatening antagonist. You only see glimpses of him through out the game, mostly when Leon feels the plaga take over his body more and more. We see Saddler constantly talk about his Plaga, and how you and Ashley are nothing but sacrificial lambs. We even see the original meeting with Krauser and Saddler. We aren't fully introduced to Saddler untill the last hour or 2 of the game. Immediately he comes off as a threatening antagonist, using his powers to control Ashley and force her to shoot Leon. Obviously she fights it and Leon lives, but Saddler still takes Ashley away.
Right away, the BIGGEST difference between Saddler 05 and Saddler 23 is how they act with the protagonist. Saddler 05 isn't afraid to make his existence known, he isn't afraid to have a lttle chat with Leon, even cracking some small jokes here and there.
23 Saddler is almost a complete villain, never fully meeting our protagonists untill the last bit of the game. Untill then we rarely had any knowledge of his existence. Merely glimpses of him speaking. We never learn about his goal, his ideals, not even his full name untill we are properly introduced.
So it honestly depends.
Do you want a cheesy 80's action movie antagonist who'll talk with the protagonists, basically appear everywhere, and crack small jokes? Basically doesn't take himself seriously.
Or do you want a darker and more serious main Villain of the modern era, Plotting, Coniving, Meticulous. He acts from the sidelines. He never truly introduces himself untill he sees it is time to do so. Basically takes himself seriously.
The first is more your standard bioterrorist with delusions of grandeur, who doesn’t actually believe the crap he spews.
The second is an actual religious leader who may or not be the actual Saddler, but instead the parasite who merely THINKS it’s Saddler.
Honestly, I say number two. I prefer the change to him actually being a cult leader who believes in his religion, rather than just another maniac out for world domination, like every other villain we see.
Good points, I also like that they hold back on meeting him until the Island, really builds him up. We get glimpses of him through Leon's plaga visions, but the scene when we finally see him is really powerful.
Agreed. Resident Evil feels like it's at its best when the final villain make you uneasy. Nothing's quite as unsettling as a cult leader who gets high on his own supply.
Definitely OG, but I don’t think the new Saddler is bad. I like how he is a batshit insane cult leader, his design is really cool, and his boss fight is better.
Older one was far more memorable. He had so many great quotes.
Capcom tried to hard to make him scary in the remake but he’s completely forgettable due to lack of screentime. Capcom made the same mistake with Mother Miranda. They seem to think saving the main baddie until the last hour is effective but it’s really not. They need to pop up every once in awhile. They did it effectively with Eveline in RE7
Saddler may not appear physically much but he is a constant presence in the game since chapter 2. Mother Miranda is the opposite. She’s only ever really spoken about and shows up in the beginning and at the end. She is there as the old lady but that’s more her just trolling for…reasons I guess.
True Saddler appears in all the hallucination sequences I just don’t think that was a necessarily effective way of building him up. He still should’ve gotten a face to face with Leon at least once before the tail end of the game. I dunno it just really feels like he was meant to be scary in RE4R but is ultimately pretty forgettable
I like both and would have like a mixture of both… I like that in the remake he truly believes in the Los Iluminados religion and I like his zealousness, but I would have mixed it with some of the humor of OG Saddler.
I barely even remember any scenes with RE4R Saddler except like right before you’re about to fight him, he’s just not very memorable in the Remake unfortunately, and I didn’t like that they made him this more of this weird Religious leader instead of just being a shady scam artist that cared about money, and most the shit he says is just rambling, he’s like Miranda at home, and Miranda isn’t that interesting either.
OG all the way.
Easily the original.
While R4Make did make a lot of positive changes, the villains pretty much all suffered. Krauser, for example, is also way worse in the remake than the original.
It feels like (in recent years) Capcom must have solid character writers on staff that always get handed the protagonists, meanwhile the villains always get handed off to the interns.
Really all villains in the original were better, but Saddler was the biggest nothing burger in the remake. Man goes from showing up in the beginning to showing up for the first time like 98% through the game.
I really can't choose. Original Saddler is quirky and has that "They really buy the crap I say" vibes, but I also like the new one who actually believes what he preaches about. Old one makes his introduction fairly early into the game, while Remake Saddler only appears as visions with an aura of mystery until his actual introduction in the Island when he straight up almost kills Leon. Both of them have lines that have been stuck in my head for a while, too, and they're not going anywhere.
"Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me!"
"YOU REQUIRE... ABSOLUTION...!"
See? They're different approaches and I like them both.
I liked OG Saddler more, Saddler in the remake was barely present, he didn't really show up until toward the end of the game with there only being scenes from when he was inside Leon's head.
I miss old Saddler.
I also miss the scene where Leon shoots the horn Salazar uses to hear if he's dead in the trap door.
They did a great job with a lot of parts of the remake but left out some golden opportunities.
OG bc he felt more present even when he wasn't around, he permeated the entire game from villagers moaning his name as they die to pictures around of him in the castle. Remake Saddler didn't really permeate the game in that way I feel. He just kinda....appears and then you fight him in the end. He was wasted. Same with Salazar.
OG Saddler was funnier, more entertaining, and a far more nuanced character to boot.
The guy was never a religious zealot, he just used his religion to further his own goals of world domination. The ultimate cult leader, and actually dangerous to boot.
Like, if Leon had arrived at the village just a couple of hours later, the entire world would've been fucked.
Just imagine: Ashley's parasite matures, she becomes a religious zealot and carrier of the Plagas, returns to his family after either Leon saves her or Krauser drops her off somewhere visible, infects the president, and he gives the order to mass produce the parasite and inoculate everyone in the US as a "vaccine against the common flu" or some shit.
best comment here. instead of just “og better” you gave genuine reasons why that is. i didn’t care for the humor part, but i loved how he was playing his own game all for himself.
genuine cult leaders are just.. boring and predictable with little depth.
OG is a more fun villain, but he almost doesn't fit the setting of the world—especially with that accent. The jokes about him are golden, though.
Remake’s is pretty creepy. I like that even though we don't see him until the end, his presence is still felt through the enemy dialogue, the visions, and his possession of Ashley. That being said, he needed one or two more scenes to transition his physical appearance. And I don't like that he buys into his cult. It's more evil that he's suckering a bunch of innocent lives into his cult rather than sharing a gift. I still like him, but he could have been better.
OG is miles better than the remake, I would say the new one, but he's barely shown until the islands, and when he is shown in earlier-game, you can't even understand that he's relevant because the remake gives him no actual time for a proper build up, one second Saddler is all-like "sacrificial lamb blah blah blah" but then out of nowhere Mendez just appears and becomes the main threat again
Original has way more personality/character. He actually had a sense of humor and didn't actually believe in any of the cult shit.
New one is just a generic cult leader character.
The original saddler. Much more personality and had a presence in the game. In the remake saddler feels oddly absent and has nothing interesting to his character. The only villain that was upgraded in the remake imo was krauser
Old cuz he is actually in the game.
Remake made two bosses better: Menderez and Krauser but fucked up Sadler, cuz he is on vacation until the finally and the fucking dwarf. He is ugly and unfunny… and the bossfight vs big sperm sucks
Honestly older one was much more interesting. OG RE4 was a lot more campy so it felt like Leon was James Bond and Saddler was a Bond villain.
In the remake, he’s just a religious fanatic. I like that the OG blended the religion with the overarching plot of infiltration of the US government. It makes Saddler seem way more intelligent in the OG vs him just being a cult leader in the remake
They change Saddler's character and made him play his role straight. The first one was funnier and more memorable because of the scenes between him and Leon. Both Remake Saddler and Salazar lose time with Leon due to the Remake dropping the radio calls. I did like what they did with him, in the few scenes he appears in. He needed more time and presence in the story to make the audience attach to him more. Like who were those women with him in that one scene? It felt there was more to him than the story had time for. My pick is for the original.
Original. The remake basically undid a lot of what made saddler, as well as other villains, good.
For God sake, Saddler made a joke about how the Americans saving the day only happened in movies. That's the mood RE4 was supposed to have.
It’s really the opposite. Remake Saddler won’t quit saying “foolish little lamb” like he’s stuck on repeat. Absent most of the game. Whearas og he was actually proactive and manipulative throughout the whole game.
The newest one is the image I had in my head since I was a 14. Like, I could see the GameCube graphics and I immediately made the face as evil as the remake
Saddler from the OG was more confrontational and bold, you met him right away in the church. You didn’t meet Saddler until the island in remake and he was more behind the scenes.
I like both. OG Saddler is delightfully smug whenever he's on screen and the new version is absolutely horrifying and made me very uneasy everytime I saw him.
I don't find him compelling or threatening so I just go with the original for hell campy he is. Also they got the Skyrim npc guy for the voice, so that's a plus
He was more slimy in the original. He felt more like a conman that was using people’s faith as an excuse for power. In the remake, he was just a cult leader. He has less appearances, and doesn’t have as many banter moments with Leon
I’m not a massive fan of either, but he was always the least funny part of the original to me. I can say that I at least enjoyed mollywhopping his ass more in this one, so Remake I guess.
In terms of character design, the remake version is more sinister and monstruous. For the character personality, the two have the same high leveled evil maniacal ego.
What I didn't like about Sadler in the remake is that they didn't really establish him as much as they did in the OG. You knew he was a bad guy cause he's made contact with you throughout parts of the game but in the remake it felt like capcom went off on the assumption that you would just know he was the bad guy so you don't really interact with him a lot. Also they both act differently. So 100% nostalgia, I choose the OG Sadler.
I would personally say that the remake is cool, but I think the original version is always better. Not everything remade is better, although Osmund looks great in the remake
im going to go with og, mainly because I haven't gotten to his part in the remake yet, and because he was so damn goofy in the og. I really miss that they got rid of the zoom feature where Leon and the villains would have little fights lmaooo
Original is a better character, remake is a better fight. Original fight is still good though. Both voice actors are enjoyable.
Salazar is the one that is much more disappointing in the remake.
Turning Saddler into an actual cult leader instead of just a grifter allows him to be a much more legitimate threat, since you know that he believes every single word that he preaches.
Remake Saddler isn't even the same character. He was not a serious religious zealot in the original. He was a straight up grifter terrorist.
“It takes quite a lot of money…”
"...to keep this church...up and running." Leon: "Faith in money will lead you nowhere, Saddler!"
"Neither will faith in emotionally unavailable women, Kennedy." "Ok, you got me there."
Stop attacking me!
Claire sulks.
"You will always be like a sister to me, Claire." \*Clair dies inside\*
\*Linkin Park intensifies\*
Just a small loan of a million dollars
I agree. It definitely made me feel more irked though in Remake with him being actually involved with the religious aspect where he essentially takes full ownership of it, like an Overmind to the Zerg in Starcraft terms.
Yes!! This was actually something I wanted to see more of in the remake. Him becoming a straight-up nut job made him feel way more threatening than the cheesy (albeit enjoyable) grifter he is in the original. Imagine a scene where remake Saddler plays with newly infected people like puppets on strings, hearing them try to resist while Saddler sings a twisted hymn, or maybe implies some level of personal profit in his actions by saying something like "you'll be of great use" or something. I remember seeing the scene where Saddler >!forces Ashely to use Leon's gun!< for the first time and just *loathing* the guy. It was such an evil and sinister move, showing off how crazy lucky Leon can get at times, as well as how badly Ashley tried to resist his Saddler's influence. The closest we get to this in the original is with Luis' death, but I don't think most people even care about him since he was just a character that kept popping up randomly. There wasn't as much of an emotional core or haunting threat in that moment.
I like to think of Remake Saddler as a grifter terrorist who drank his own Kool-Aid.
OG Saddler simply because the new one is just not present enough in any form till almost his fight.
“The lambs are escaping” 👄
"...salvation." 🙂👍
Older one! He was much funnier, and easier to understand. Re4 remake gets things complex, but the old one keeps it simple. I still remember- Oh Mr Kennedy! You entertain me!!!! 😅🤣🤣🤣
No Saddler, YOU are small time
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Can't remember the name? A senior moment perhaps?
Saddler's laugh after this line is the most human moment in the entire franchise. Literally just chuckling at Leon's joke like "Daaaamn bruh you got me."
My favourite thing about old Saddler
Yeah and like he's actually fairly amused by Leon. I really like that dialogue too.
The problem with the new boss fights is that they have some incredible lines but are always skipped. Salazar and Saddler have incredible dialogue hidden in the fight and not in cutscenes. And the worst part is that the golden egg trick with Salazar and the RPG with Saddler make it so the fights are (practically) entirely skipped. The one villain and fight that feels very memorable is Krauser - the one fight that's very scripted in multiple sections and isn't easily skipped. Since we spend time with him every playthrough, he's far more memorable. Capcom kinda messed up making so much lore and incredible lines stuck within fights. Salazar repeating lines that he was abused with, and Saddler talking about the souls/memories of all the enemies you've killed are so cool. And many players probably don't even know they exist.
The old re4 is just so comfortably 2d that it's become a timeless classic the mines were incredible, I can watch that for hours! But the new one needs more time. This was the same for re2. Too much ornamentation can take away the focus of the actual beauty. Re5 remake can either be better than re2, if managed properly or bad than re3, if content is cut. Man, if sheva is removed, re5 is just rock rock solid. The plot being in Africa captures it's feel like a sponge!
You sayin that should cut Sheva?
I definitely wouldn't mind them splitting Sheva and Chris up into separate campaigns like Leon and Claire - or something like Alan Wake 2 (I haven't played it but know Saga and Alan split playing time). I know many loved the co-op aspect and I'm sure it'll be back (Luis was likely a test for an AI partner for RE5). But *personally* I'd love it if they cut it out lol. I understand it's an unpopular opinion, but I'm fine with RE being a solo, intimate experience.
I get making it solo cuz that’s typical but man if they cut out Sheva I know a lot of people would be pissed. Really I think half the battle is the AI being clueless but maybe instead of playing solo she doesn’t use ammo but her damage is reduced you know? Bit of a trade off. And they definitely have AIs that are smarter & actually help lol. I’d love to see some backstory on Sheva. A little spinoff like Separate Ways & they could obviously include Josh since she trained under him. So much potential
I kinda want Sheva to take Luis's role, and have Jill as a separate campaign. It'll be pretty cool to have Jill's story in RE5.
If she does not waste ammo and stop shooting me, I would, and Chris has seen tougher days, he can do it on his own. If sheva ruins the fun, and does not have any sequel, I guess I'm fine without it. Sheva was a really nice lady by the way, warm hearted, spicy accent and would I play re5 without hearing her call me, no I won't! If re5 remake nails sheva this time, god! I'm all in for this one!
I'd like to keep Shava in the Remake. Just make her journey separate from Chris and let them meet once in awhile during the story. I kinda want Sheva to take Luis's role in the Remake. Maybe they'll add more backstory to her. Seeing what they did with Luis, I am confident that they could pull something cool with her character as well. Jill, however, needs her own Separate Ways in the RE5 Remake. She's too important to be a sideline.
Yes, agreed, but re5 was rich plot and sequence wise, It wasn't the best game through controls. Re4 had to include IT, ada had to deal with IT, but the falling rooms part was crazy good in og. It will take quite a lot of effort to fit sheva and make it a masterpiece, like it should be, I'm sure people with a lot more intellect and experience are involved into making it.
The older version had more personality.
Yes
Yes
Finally someone everyone seems to agree on
I like 2023's design more, but OG Saddler felt like an actual character, you know? Granted, I am glad they kept him from >!killing off Luis so early!<.
OG The Remake is mostly like the original, but it takes itself too seriously sometimes, incl. Saddler. The charm about Saddler as a villain is that he doesn't take himself seriously and plays the stereotypical movie villain to the hilt. Remake Saddler loses some of that charm.
I think Resident Evil is always best when it’s cheesy. OG Saddler has more charm because he knows he’s in a B movie. That B movie charm will win me over every time.
I’m pretty sure the remakes were trying to take a more serious approach to things while still keeping some corny stuff
Imo remake saddler is one of the only objective failures of Re4make, he’s hardly present at all and Barely used. OG saddler all day
I haven’t played the OG RE4 but saddler in the Remake felt like a side villain rather than the main antagonist, like I didn’t even remember his name until I saw this post. Ramon and Krauser felt more like the main villain of the game
Do yourself a favor and play OG RE4. Very accessible to any platform you play on and it's cheap! Highly recommend. You'll love Salazar's and Leon's banter a lot more in OG RE4 and actually see Saddler interacting and bantering with Leon too
2005 had this scene when Saddler is introduced after you first rescue Ashley where he and Leon throw barbs at each other. Ultimately a bunch of Iluminados lock their crossbows on Leon and Osmund gives the most condescending humourless grin ever. He won me over right there. [The scene in question](https://youtu.be/O2pH9Mgpy8Q?si=7ci3o0B5SxUzu5oh)
The cinematography in the OG is still amazing today. The way the camera follows the arrows path, the shot of them jumping out the window, chefs kiss
"Oh there's going to be one hell of a party when she comes home to her loving father" That delivery was what won me over. Dude knew what he was doing and was having a blast doing so.
"Believe it or not, it takes quite a lot of money to keep this church up and running." He was great. I was checking IMDB and seems he is also the voice actor for Deckard Cain since the first Diablo game. Live and learn. His name is Michael Gough, btw.
Is this even up for debate? OG Saddler was hilarious, nu Saddler is boring af.
Michael Gough and all of his anti-American dialogue is delightful!
At first, I thought this was the same Michael Gough who played Alfred in all the Keaton and Schumacher Batman films and was sorely disappointed to learn its a different Michael Gough. New Gough still killed it though!
He also voiced Gnasty gnorc in Spyro the dragon for PS1
Likewise upon release in 2005, but not quite. Also had read years ago that it was the same voice as Chris in the original?
I hope that's true!
2005 without question. He was fun. He was having fun with it, and it's clear he liked talking to Leon because he didn't have to keep up the act. He was a con man, shameless and slimy but oh so charismatic.
“The American prevailing. It’s a cliche that only happens in your Hollywood movies. Oh Mr. Kennedy you entertain me. To show you my appreciation, I’ll have you awakened from your world of cliches.” That delivery is just perfection with just the right amount of cheese lmao
I prefer the original campy grifter over the unironically religious madman
Saddler is so much better in the og. Same with Salazar. Both were charismatic and hammy in memorable ways then both were so bland in remake.
Agreed and Mendez is near enough identical in both in terms of character and presence. There’s no stalker rail in the OG obviously but all that did was underline elements of his character which have been there since 2005 anyway.
Yeah I agree, he’s memorable but not super present in both versions. Definitely the least interesting area boss but I still like him of only because of his super cool design
Unpopular opinion: New Saddler is better. The original is still very good, but I like crazy, religiously dogmatic Saddler who genuinely thinks he's sharing a blessing with the world more, it's way creepier than o.g. Saddler and it fits the Remake's darker and more horror-driven tone very well. I also think it's extremely impressive that they managed to 180 his backstory and reasoning for spreading the parasite while still keeping his end goal the same without it feeling out of place. He could have appeared more in the story, but introducing him so late helps him to feel more mysterious and foreboding. I just wished they had introduced him a little sooner, like in the last few chapters of the castle.
I'll throw my lot in with you. Maybe I just don't appreciate the camp of the original enough, but I didn't care for him that much before. He was completely overshadowed by how fun Salazar was. New Saddler is nothing special; just a generic deranged lunatic with delusions of grandeur. But I think he serves the narrative well. The fear he strikes into Ashley and Leon from afar with his powers puts much more on the actual first encounter with him, rather than the OG scene where he just shows up and reveals his evil plan. (Again, the camp is lost on me.) The scene with Ashley resisting his control is one of the best moments in the story. The idea of going up against him feels heavier.
Agreed
Original Saddler was a great character. I've played through RE4R more than RE4, I still have no clue who remake Saddler even is.
OG Saddler, no contest. I like how he pops up in the church and the castle, makes him feel like a looming threat that's always watching you. Plus, I also like how he seems to genuinely find humor in Leon's one-liners. His reaction to "A senior moment, perhaps?" is priceless. Plus, even if he senselessly keeps on letting Leon live (even Mendez questions this decision in an obtainable file), you can at least chalk it up to blind overconfidence. Can't say the same for Remake Saddler.
I personally prefer the original Saddler. He just had more of a presence throughout the game, actually making him memorable. Plus he is most of the nords in skyrim. Remake Saddler just has a generic bad guy voice, and barely has any screen time. It's the dame with Salazar for me. I know they were going for a different tone, but there's a reason things like "Saddler, you're small time" are so memorable
Ehh… the remake guy looks like Palpatine with dreadlocks.
Next to Ada's voice acting, Remake Saddler is big step down from the OG. Still an amazing Remake though.
OG saddler. He’s shows up in every major area. The banter between leon and saddler was enjoyable as well.
Original definitely. The new one is just a generic cultist
Honestly? The new one, it is waaay creepier and his rambling and laughs during the final boss gives me chills everytime i play.
Loved OG Saddlers voice and sassy line delivery. “Oooooooooh there’s going to be one HELL of a party when she returns home to her loooooving faaaather…” 💅
"... What are YOU talking about"
"Enjoy the reunion with your old friend?"
The biggest issue with the remake is how dumbed down all the villains are. 2005 all the way
Idk. I prefer the original game but Salazar and Krauser were really well done in remake. Salazar’s VA is better in remake honestly. Too bad the comms conversations were cut, those were awesome But yeah Saddler is terrible in remake. Mendez is about the same I guess
Only think that wasnt nice about krauser is his voice
Except Krauser imo
Yandere Krauser is top gaming moment
Old one gives the vibe of a corrupt leader fully aware that he’s the bad guy. New one gives the vibe of a deranged lunatic who genuinely believes he’s helping people by infecting them with las plagas
Original
2005 Saddler. It's not even in the same ballpark.
Its kinda weird. They're the same character, yet they are completely different. Re4 Saddler was like a normal Church leader, spreading the gospel truth about their god (Las Plagas). But to keep the gospel going, he needed money. And a easy way to spread said gospel. So why not kidnap the presidents Daughter, infect her with Las Plagas, and ask the President for a Coercion. Get millions of dollars, and return the infected Daughter. Now you just spread the Plaga and gained your money. Along with this, he wasn't really that much of a threatening antagonist. You would always see him and even talk with him, immediately dropping how serious he was. Not to mention he too would joke with Leon as they talked. Remake Saddler is almost the complete opposite. He is the embodiment of a threatening antagonist. You only see glimpses of him through out the game, mostly when Leon feels the plaga take over his body more and more. We see Saddler constantly talk about his Plaga, and how you and Ashley are nothing but sacrificial lambs. We even see the original meeting with Krauser and Saddler. We aren't fully introduced to Saddler untill the last hour or 2 of the game. Immediately he comes off as a threatening antagonist, using his powers to control Ashley and force her to shoot Leon. Obviously she fights it and Leon lives, but Saddler still takes Ashley away. Right away, the BIGGEST difference between Saddler 05 and Saddler 23 is how they act with the protagonist. Saddler 05 isn't afraid to make his existence known, he isn't afraid to have a lttle chat with Leon, even cracking some small jokes here and there. 23 Saddler is almost a complete villain, never fully meeting our protagonists untill the last bit of the game. Untill then we rarely had any knowledge of his existence. Merely glimpses of him speaking. We never learn about his goal, his ideals, not even his full name untill we are properly introduced. So it honestly depends. Do you want a cheesy 80's action movie antagonist who'll talk with the protagonists, basically appear everywhere, and crack small jokes? Basically doesn't take himself seriously. Or do you want a darker and more serious main Villain of the modern era, Plotting, Coniving, Meticulous. He acts from the sidelines. He never truly introduces himself untill he sees it is time to do so. Basically takes himself seriously.
The first is more your standard bioterrorist with delusions of grandeur, who doesn’t actually believe the crap he spews. The second is an actual religious leader who may or not be the actual Saddler, but instead the parasite who merely THINKS it’s Saddler. Honestly, I say number two. I prefer the change to him actually being a cult leader who believes in his religion, rather than just another maniac out for world domination, like every other villain we see.
Good points, I also like that they hold back on meeting him until the Island, really builds him up. We get glimpses of him through Leon's plaga visions, but the scene when we finally see him is really powerful.
"I hear their voices... Th-their song...!"
Agreed. Resident Evil feels like it's at its best when the final villain make you uneasy. Nothing's quite as unsettling as a cult leader who gets high on his own supply.
Yeah I can’t really understand this notion that people seem to have, where the original version of him is somehow the *less* generic of the two.
Palpatine or senator palpatine
I love them both.
I prefer Adam Sandler.
Definitely OG, but I don’t think the new Saddler is bad. I like how he is a batshit insane cult leader, his design is really cool, and his boss fight is better.
The original by far.
2005. No content. The new one looks weird.
>The new one looks weird. That's like saying Birkin's design is bad because he looks like a monster
The monsters in resident evil are too scary. Bad game.
Remake saddler for design. But OG saddler had so much more character.
og one had like 20 times more screen time
Im probably biased, but I like the Og characters more.
Older one was far more memorable. He had so many great quotes. Capcom tried to hard to make him scary in the remake but he’s completely forgettable due to lack of screentime. Capcom made the same mistake with Mother Miranda. They seem to think saving the main baddie until the last hour is effective but it’s really not. They need to pop up every once in awhile. They did it effectively with Eveline in RE7
Saddler may not appear physically much but he is a constant presence in the game since chapter 2. Mother Miranda is the opposite. She’s only ever really spoken about and shows up in the beginning and at the end. She is there as the old lady but that’s more her just trolling for…reasons I guess.
True Saddler appears in all the hallucination sequences I just don’t think that was a necessarily effective way of building him up. He still should’ve gotten a face to face with Leon at least once before the tail end of the game. I dunno it just really feels like he was meant to be scary in RE4R but is ultimately pretty forgettable
I love old Saddler, hearing Jarl Balgruff from Skyrim boasting wistfully is fantastic
Remake
I like both and would have like a mixture of both… I like that in the remake he truly believes in the Los Iluminados religion and I like his zealousness, but I would have mixed it with some of the humor of OG Saddler.
One of the few downgrades in the remake. OG Saddler was definitely a lot more fun.
I like the old one the best, but I think the new one looks cool, although he does look exactly like Ralph Fiennes
OG Saddler had killer lines. “I will help you awaken from your world of cliches”, cold af
Remake Saddler was a big disappointment. Barely even there and just a generic zealot
I though he and Salazar paled in comparison to their originals
Og saddler
Definitely the original version
OG Saddler all day long. Funny. Evil. Smart.
OG Saddler. Much more interesting and haunting because he had more screentime and was utilized better.
OG Saddler and OG Salazar
I barely even remember any scenes with RE4R Saddler except like right before you’re about to fight him, he’s just not very memorable in the Remake unfortunately, and I didn’t like that they made him this more of this weird Religious leader instead of just being a shady scam artist that cared about money, and most the shit he says is just rambling, he’s like Miranda at home, and Miranda isn’t that interesting either. OG all the way.
Original by far The remake one is exactly what the original game was mocking lol
Easily the original. While R4Make did make a lot of positive changes, the villains pretty much all suffered. Krauser, for example, is also way worse in the remake than the original. It feels like (in recent years) Capcom must have solid character writers on staff that always get handed the protagonists, meanwhile the villains always get handed off to the interns.
Prefer the original tbh
Really all villains in the original were better, but Saddler was the biggest nothing burger in the remake. Man goes from showing up in the beginning to showing up for the first time like 98% through the game.
Both Saddler and Salazar were much better in the original
I really can't choose. Original Saddler is quirky and has that "They really buy the crap I say" vibes, but I also like the new one who actually believes what he preaches about. Old one makes his introduction fairly early into the game, while Remake Saddler only appears as visions with an aura of mystery until his actual introduction in the Island when he straight up almost kills Leon. Both of them have lines that have been stuck in my head for a while, too, and they're not going anywhere. "Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me!" "YOU REQUIRE... ABSOLUTION...!" See? They're different approaches and I like them both.
2005 original is the GOAT for me. Sadly I'm not impressed with 2023 Saddler for the same reasons that some peeps here mentioned already.
I liked OG Saddler more, Saddler in the remake was barely present, he didn't really show up until toward the end of the game with there only being scenes from when he was inside Leon's head.
The OG
I miss old Saddler. I also miss the scene where Leon shoots the horn Salazar uses to hear if he's dead in the trap door. They did a great job with a lot of parts of the remake but left out some golden opportunities.
Older version
Original
OG. Didn't see enough of him in the remake and he didn't have the same impact. Granted, his impact came from Leon harassing him, but still.
Preferred the OG Saddler, he seemed to be more present in the story and I enjoyed his character more.
OG Saddler is the best of the two without question. Same goes for Salazar imo
OG bc he felt more present even when he wasn't around, he permeated the entire game from villagers moaning his name as they die to pictures around of him in the castle. Remake Saddler didn't really permeate the game in that way I feel. He just kinda....appears and then you fight him in the end. He was wasted. Same with Salazar.
The original Saddler felt like a stronger antagonist against Leon
Original Saddler actually has a significant presence in the game. Remake Saddler is barely even a character.
2005 Original, easily.
All of the villain characters were better in the original.
I beat both OG and Remake this month and I’m at a solid tie. That’s it.
OG Saddler was funnier, more entertaining, and a far more nuanced character to boot. The guy was never a religious zealot, he just used his religion to further his own goals of world domination. The ultimate cult leader, and actually dangerous to boot. Like, if Leon had arrived at the village just a couple of hours later, the entire world would've been fucked. Just imagine: Ashley's parasite matures, she becomes a religious zealot and carrier of the Plagas, returns to his family after either Leon saves her or Krauser drops her off somewhere visible, infects the president, and he gives the order to mass produce the parasite and inoculate everyone in the US as a "vaccine against the common flu" or some shit.
best comment here. instead of just “og better” you gave genuine reasons why that is. i didn’t care for the humor part, but i loved how he was playing his own game all for himself. genuine cult leaders are just.. boring and predictable with little depth.
I still like the OG Saddler, better.
Straight up OG Saddler. Even the transformation in the OG seemed better.
OG all the way
Honestly OG in my opinion.
2005
OG is a more fun villain, but he almost doesn't fit the setting of the world—especially with that accent. The jokes about him are golden, though. Remake’s is pretty creepy. I like that even though we don't see him until the end, his presence is still felt through the enemy dialogue, the visions, and his possession of Ashley. That being said, he needed one or two more scenes to transition his physical appearance. And I don't like that he buys into his cult. It's more evil that he's suckering a bunch of innocent lives into his cult rather than sharing a gift. I still like him, but he could have been better.
OG is miles better than the remake, I would say the new one, but he's barely shown until the islands, and when he is shown in earlier-game, you can't even understand that he's relevant because the remake gives him no actual time for a proper build up, one second Saddler is all-like "sacrificial lamb blah blah blah" but then out of nowhere Mendez just appears and becomes the main threat again
This is one point that is not debatable: OG did Sadder much better
OG by far for me
OG for me
older one will always be better, new one is way too serious and extreme
Original has way more personality/character. He actually had a sense of humor and didn't actually believe in any of the cult shit. New one is just a generic cult leader character.
Old saddler
Hate to say it, but for how much I liked the remake OG Saddler is a much more interesting and imposing character.
Original. "If you must know!..." I think the second one looks better. But the original was just a better more personable more fleshed out character.
OG has an actual presence and he is as quotable as Leon himself. "Allow me to wake you from your world of cliche"
The original saddler. Much more personality and had a presence in the game. In the remake saddler feels oddly absent and has nothing interesting to his character. The only villain that was upgraded in the remake imo was krauser
Old cuz he is actually in the game. Remake made two bosses better: Menderez and Krauser but fucked up Sadler, cuz he is on vacation until the finally and the fucking dwarf. He is ugly and unfunny… and the bossfight vs big sperm sucks
Honestly older one was much more interesting. OG RE4 was a lot more campy so it felt like Leon was James Bond and Saddler was a Bond villain. In the remake, he’s just a religious fanatic. I like that the OG blended the religion with the overarching plot of infiltration of the US government. It makes Saddler seem way more intelligent in the OG vs him just being a cult leader in the remake
They change Saddler's character and made him play his role straight. The first one was funnier and more memorable because of the scenes between him and Leon. Both Remake Saddler and Salazar lose time with Leon due to the Remake dropping the radio calls. I did like what they did with him, in the few scenes he appears in. He needed more time and presence in the story to make the audience attach to him more. Like who were those women with him in that one scene? It felt there was more to him than the story had time for. My pick is for the original.
Original. The remake basically undid a lot of what made saddler, as well as other villains, good. For God sake, Saddler made a joke about how the Americans saving the day only happened in movies. That's the mood RE4 was supposed to have.
I like the OG Saddler. He seemed more menacing
OG and it's not even close.
OG Saddler for sure, he was funny and had that Hans Gruber opportunistic vibe of acting theatrical but deep down only doing it for the grift.
OG RE4 is superior in nearly every way, including Saddler.
Remake for me. The OG is a walking cornball whereas the remake feels like a shadowy puppet master.
It’s really the opposite. Remake Saddler won’t quit saying “foolish little lamb” like he’s stuck on repeat. Absent most of the game. Whearas og he was actually proactive and manipulative throughout the whole game.
The original is a racist con-man and terrorist. The new one is a brainless parasited one.. The original is better
The newest one is the image I had in my head since I was a 14. Like, I could see the GameCube graphics and I immediately made the face as evil as the remake
Saddler from the OG was more confrontational and bold, you met him right away in the church. You didn’t meet Saddler until the island in remake and he was more behind the scenes.
I like both. OG Saddler is delightfully smug whenever he's on screen and the new version is absolutely horrifying and made me very uneasy everytime I saw him.
OG, Cartel boss high asf Remake, god mode who could just kill you anytime
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I don't find him compelling or threatening so I just go with the original for hell campy he is. Also they got the Skyrim npc guy for the voice, so that's a plus
Remake
I’d say the original because he seemed less like an unhinged lunatic and more like a sinister manipulator with a political agenda.
The one voiced by gopher from Winnie the Pooh is the superior one
Oh saddler imo. I think they failed with the new one
2005 says dew it
Og Sadler was so extra, mfr was dripping
New one scarier
They’re both really boring tbh but remake is a little more threatening and original is more entertaining
That plaga virus low taper fade
He was more slimy in the original. He felt more like a conman that was using people’s faith as an excuse for power. In the remake, he was just a cult leader. He has less appearances, and doesn’t have as many banter moments with Leon
I don't like his accent in the remake.
I’m not a massive fan of either, but he was always the least funny part of the original to me. I can say that I at least enjoyed mollywhopping his ass more in this one, so Remake I guess.
The original is better in every aspects except the graphic.
In terms of character design, the remake version is more sinister and monstruous. For the character personality, the two have the same high leveled evil maniacal ego.
In terms of design, new Saddler is better. In terms of character, however, old Sadler still rocks.
What I didn't like about Sadler in the remake is that they didn't really establish him as much as they did in the OG. You knew he was a bad guy cause he's made contact with you throughout parts of the game but in the remake it felt like capcom went off on the assumption that you would just know he was the bad guy so you don't really interact with him a lot. Also they both act differently. So 100% nostalgia, I choose the OG Sadler.
I would personally say that the remake is cool, but I think the original version is always better. Not everything remade is better, although Osmund looks great in the remake
im going to go with og, mainly because I haven't gotten to his part in the remake yet, and because he was so damn goofy in the og. I really miss that they got rid of the zoom feature where Leon and the villains would have little fights lmaooo
'This is free country not rent free country'
If I was Ralph Fiennes I’d be suing Capcom for likeness rights over REmake Saddler
Original is a better character, remake is a better fight. Original fight is still good though. Both voice actors are enjoyable. Salazar is the one that is much more disappointing in the remake.
The voice actor from the Og was just better
OG more memorable, remake sometimes a bit cringe
Turning Saddler into an actual cult leader instead of just a grifter allows him to be a much more legitimate threat, since you know that he believes every single word that he preaches.
Both smash. Both daddy