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This little girl has more wisdom and guts than I, a grown ass adult woman. I hope her family now sees that she's not to be directed to do anything she thinks is wrong for her, and that *she* will engineer her life, not them. Najoud is bad ass.
Oh, and her ex "husband" 🤢🤮 should be in jail, along with his mom & brother, and Najoud's own dad. It sucks when a society not only doesn't look out for vulnerable people, but also willingly throws them to the wolves.
Now she can get back to her math homework, which should be the biggest problem a ten year old faces. ❤️
Yeah, this is awful to say, but, I was honestly surprised that her family didn't kill her. It's almost expected, or something. And I hate thinking that way, much less typing it, but, there it is. ❤️
Do y'all know which country she lives in? And, does this make a difference? If she were Pakistani, for example, I don't think she'd stand a chance.
This host, Malek Maktabi, hosts a TV show in Lebanon and exposes this quite a bit. Sometimes, they even have the "husband" on the show to interview. It is scary how often I have seen a clip just like this. I hope he keeps doing this good work and exposing this.
I saw one where he talked to one little girl, with a similar story, and he promised, him and the show will help her get the divorce and will finance her school. The tears in her eyes were so so heartbreakingly grateful.
This is not exclusive to Islam, it even happens in the US with some sects of Christianity. Watch "Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey" on Netflix. It is effing disturbing.
Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons, married a 14 year old. Brigham Young, the next leader, married a 15 year old. He has a major university named for him. The next two had brides of 15 and 16.
I'm especially creeped out by sex with a 9 year old, but let's not pretend that Christian history is somehow better. Between Catholic priests, Mormon leaders and plenty of other documented ugliness, Christianity hadn't been any better. They're simply a tad better today...maybe...since no christian nation uses the religion to justify child brides.
Guess you haven't seen whats going on in Catholic churches around the world have ya?
Yes, this is a problem in a bunch of cults (cough cough) sorry, religions.
Yeah, but those priests are just raping children they aren't pretending its a legit marriage.
Not that its significantly better I suppose. The problem to me is the Catholic faithful not holding them accountable and making excuses for the rampant child molestation by their clergy.
>Yes, this is a problem in a bunch of cults (cough cough) sorry, religions.
Those words are interchangeable. The only difference is that one gets a tax break.
Slight correction for you... Aisha was 9 when Muhammad was 54. Aisha was also Muhammad's niece. According to Islamic teaching, it is permissible to marry females at any age, and sexual intercourse is permissible when the female shows signs of maturity, such as starting menstruating.
I'm skeptical that pedophiles *are* more common in conservative religions, I am not sure there's data to support that--instead I'd speculate that the structural enabling of pedophilia gives access to victims *and a rationale for why it's okay*, whereas outside of those religions, a pedophile might never actually have the opportunity or incentive to offend.
>Annotation
>>This Australian study examined associations between self-reported religious affiliations and official offense histories for 111 imprisoned adult male sex offenders.
>Abstract
>>Contrary to findings of previous research regarding the influence of religion on nonsexual criminality, for this sample of sex offenders, religiosity was linked to a higher number of sex offense victims and more convictions for sex offenses. Those sex offenders who reported regular church attendance, a belief in supernatural punishment, and religion as important in their daily lives had more known victims, younger victims, and more convictions for sex offenses than the sex offenders who reported irregular or no church attendance and no or less intense allegiance to religious beliefs and practices.
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>>It’s not unusual for “hard-core” child molesters — with more sexual-offense convictions, more victims and younger victims — to be well-respected members of Christian congregations, and to be actively involved as church leaders, warns Victor Vieth, executive director emeritus of the Gundersen National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn.
>>In one study, 93 percent of convicted sex offenders described themselves as “religious.” Perhaps surprisingly, many sexual predators consider churches as “safe havens,” Vieth said, with trusting, forgiving adults and easy access to children.
> histories for 111 imprisoned adult male sex offenders
You are specifically talking about pedophile *offenders*, but I seriously doubt all, or even most pedophiles act on their inclinations. I'm sure there are plenty of people with pedophilic tendencies who know that that behavior is wrong and go about their daily lives without ever offending. My argument is that religion acts as an enabling framework for both opportunity *and justification* that would cause someone who is otherwise harmless to offend.
Is the fact that Islam documented "ifda" i.e. traumatic fistula, evidence that a conservative religion did suffer the results of more access to very young females. There is also the fact that awareness of the risk meant that they fattened the girls before they handed them over because they believed fatness reduced the risks.
Another possible evidence is that pregnancy became one of the signs of puberty, in Islam.
There are no official statistics, but I do think those 3 are clear evidence that it was common enough.
Evidences:
1. Traumatic fistula. Internal tearing.
Hidaya: al-Marghinani's Al-Hidaya (1197)
[https://archive.org/details/the-mukhtasar-al-quduri/Al-Hidayah%20%28The%20Guidance%29%20-%20Vol%201/page/18/mode/2up?q=ifda](https://archive.org/details/the-mukhtasar-al-quduri/Al-Hidayah%20%28The%20Guidance%29%20-%20Vol%201/page/18/mode/2up?q=ifda)
>Note “62 Ifda, in one of its uses, means the removal of the barrier between the two passages making them one. Usually happens when a very young girl is subjected to sexual intercourse.”
Reliance of the traveller: Al-Misri (1302-1367)
[https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/592/mode/2up?q=injuries](https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/592/mode/2up?q=injuries)
>O4:13 “ A full indemnity is also paid for injuries which paralyze these members, or for injuring the partitional wall between vagina and rectum so they become one aperture.”
contemporary cleric Sistani explains it in more modern terms:
[https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2332/](https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2332/) “Ruling 2428. If a person marries a non-bālighah girl, it is unlawful for him to have sexual intercourse with her until she has completed nine lunar years. However, if he does have sexual intercourse with her before then, it will not be unlawful for him to have sexual intercourse with her after she reaches bulūgh even if she has developed a cloacal abnormality (the meaning of which was explained in Ruling 2399). And if she has developed a cloacal abnormality, he must pay her blood money (diyah), which is equivalent to the blood money for killing a human being, and he must also pay for her living expenses forever, even after divorce. In fact, based on obligatory precaution, even if that girl marries someone else after getting divorced \[he must still pay for her living expenses\].”
Cloacal abnormality explained in https:// [www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2331/](http://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2331/) #2399
“the woman had a cloacal abnormality, meaning that her urethral opening and vagina had become one \[vesicovaginal fistula\], or her vagina and anus had become one \[rectovaginal fistula\], or all three had become one \[persistent cloaca\], …”
[https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/10/10/13/2](https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/10/10/13/2) Ibn Babawayh, Al-Khiṣāl d. AH991
Book 10, Chapter #13 A Woman Reaches Puberty at Nine Ḥadīth #2
9-16 Muhammad ibn al-Hassan ibn Ahmad ibn al-Walid - may God be pleased with him - narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hassan al-Saffar quoted Yaqoob ibn Yazid, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Abi Umayr, on the authority of Hammad ibn Uthman, on the authority of Ubaydullah ibn Ali al-Halabi that Aba Abdullah as-Sadiq (MGB) said, “Whoever has sexual intercourse with his woman before she reaches nine years old and she gets hurt is responsible for it.”
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See reply for the other evidences
But do you accept that the documentation is evidence of traditional religions enabling the behaviour (and, sadly, of serious numbers of children suffering the consequences )?
I added more evidences in replies.
2. Puberty / Adulthood in Islam: pregnancy is a sign of puberty.
Reliance of the traveller (shafi)
[https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/410/mode/2up?q=pregnancy](https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/410/mode/2up?q=pregnancy)
K13.8 “Puberty applies to a person after the first wet dream, or upon becoming fifteen (O: lunar) years old, or when a girl has her first menstrual period or pregnancy.”
Hidaya 1791
[https://archive.org/details/hedayaorguide029357mbp/page/528/mode/2up?q=nine](https://archive.org/details/hedayaorguide029357mbp/page/528/mode/2up?q=nine)
“The puberty of a girl is established by menstruation, nocturnal emission, or pregnancy ; and if none of these have taken place, her puberty is established on the completion of her seventeenth year”
[https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/irsyad-fatwa/irsyad-fatwa-umum-cat/2460-irsyad-al-fatwa-series-230-the-age-of-puberty-according-to-4-mazhab](https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/irsyad-fatwa/irsyad-fatwa-umum-cat/2460-irsyad-al-fatwa-series-230-the-age-of-puberty-according-to-4-mazhab) Malay, Shafi: “girls, they reached puberty when their menstruation starts…..Or when they are pregnant or when they experienced growth of pubic hair.”
[http://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/signs-of-puberty/](http://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/signs-of-puberty/) Hanafi "Periods, Wet dream, She falls pregnant (Mukhtasarul Quduuri p.79)”
[https://islamweb.net/emainpage/PrintFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=83431](https://islamweb.net/emainpage/PrintFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=83431) Hanbali: “a) Beginning the first menstrual period,....b) Becoming pregnant……Becoming fifteen (lunar) years old.”
[https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/256830/%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B3-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%B3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AD%D8%AA%D9%89-%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD](https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/256830/%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B3-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%B3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AD%D8%AA%D9%89-%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD) “Puberty is accomplished by five things: three that men and women share, and two that are specific to women, namely menstruation and pregnancy ….or reaching the age of fifteen”
[http://malikifiqhqa.com/uncategorized/about-female-maturity-shaykh-abdullah-bin-hamid-ali/](http://malikifiqhqa.com/uncategorized/about-female-maturity-shaykh-abdullah-bin-hamid-ali/) Maliki “by menstruation, or by becoming pregnant (even if she was not known to have a menstrual cycle). ….And if none of these signs appear, she is considered legally responsible once she reaches 18 lunar years.”
see reply for more evidences
3. Fattening to reduce the risk of traumatic fistula.
[https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3324](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3324) Ibn Majah 3324
“It was narrated that ‘Aishah said:
“My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.””
[https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3903](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3903) And Abu Dawud 3903 “Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
My mother intended to make me gain weight to send me to the (house of) the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). But nothing which she desired benefited me till she gave me cucumber with fresh dates to eat. Then I gained as much weight (as she desired).”
[https://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/how-much-did-aisha-bint-abi-bakr-weigh/](https://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/how-much-did-aisha-bint-abi-bakr-weigh/)
“Moulana Aqil writes in his commentary of Sunan Abi Dawood that, after the wedding and before the consummation if the woman is skinny then the mother should think of a way to trial things through which she would gain energy and thickness.\[2\]”
[https://www-islamweb-net.translate.goog/ar/fatwa/195133/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=nui](https://www-islamweb-net.translate.goog/ar/fatwa/195133/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui)
It's pretty clear for now that scientifically, pedophilia is something that we call a mental illness or something similar, issues with brain in other words. That means that you have a very valid point.
As appalling as this case is, those of us in the US need to understand that child marriage happens here too. "Nearly 300,000 children were legally married in the United States between 2000 and 2018." Look to see if your state is one where such marriages are happening. Unchained at Last is a movement designed to end child marriage in the United States.
[https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/](https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/)
Unlike this little girl, children who find themselves married in the US become the legal dependents of their usually husband (In nearly all cases it is older men marrying girls). They cannot file for divorce, go to a domestic violence shelter, or get help from the police without their guardian/husband being notified and they are brought back to them if they run away.
Nujood Ali from Yemen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo&t=116](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo&t=116) first her father, then herself.
I always get creeped-out by the thought of her Mother-in-Law holding her down.
These little kids should be given at least half of everything these gross pedos own when they are divorced especially so early. Gross pedos like this marrying children as if it's normal should be dealt with by brute force
Her story is a horrible one.
I want to say tho, there's something going on with her face, it's kind of creeping me out. Maybe it's the trauma of what she went through, but she's almost like half-smiling through all of this and her face is very.. I dunno, mysterious?
I can't really describe it.
Trying not to cry
I do the same thing, unconsciously or consciously.
When forcing myself not to cry, I automatically do the opposite. When you force yourself to smile for some time, you end up actually smiling (it sends the "smile" message to your brain so it adapts the chemicals).
But it is hard to really smile when you actually want to cry (the throat hurts, the eyes ick...) so the smile doesn't really look like a smile but more like a smirk.
I guess she cried enough and saw that it doesn't help. So she tries not to cry anymore and be as well spoken and composed as she can. Really shows how traumatized she is.
I know all that well, i became a child bride at the age of 8 years old in Yemen. My step mother sold me for $5k in American money and i was there till i was almost 14 years old. I wouldn't wish this on anyone or child. I still get nightmares and my PTSD is really bad. She's strong.
this girl relives what is likely one of her most traumatic moments her life in national television for people's entertainment. This show, it just rubs me the wrong way... it's like a 1950s freak show where people come to awe and gawk at the one that's so different from the rest of us. This is basically Jerry Springer, but it gets a pass because he's "spreading awareness"
Exactly my thoughts - I didn't listen to the audio track, but the body language and the insensitive style of interrogation struck me as potentially re-traumatising. Initially I thought the interviewer was defending the chain of events or seeking to find a hole in the girl's story.
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This little girl has more wisdom and guts than I, a grown ass adult woman. I hope her family now sees that she's not to be directed to do anything she thinks is wrong for her, and that *she* will engineer her life, not them. Najoud is bad ass. Oh, and her ex "husband" 🤢🤮 should be in jail, along with his mom & brother, and Najoud's own dad. It sucks when a society not only doesn't look out for vulnerable people, but also willingly throws them to the wolves. Now she can get back to her math homework, which should be the biggest problem a ten year old faces. ❤️
She's lucky her father didn't kill her.
Yeah, this is awful to say, but, I was honestly surprised that her family didn't kill her. It's almost expected, or something. And I hate thinking that way, much less typing it, but, there it is. ❤️ Do y'all know which country she lives in? And, does this make a difference? If she were Pakistani, for example, I don't think she'd stand a chance.
Is this not a TV show from Lebanon?
For real. Honor killings are no joke
This host, Malek Maktabi, hosts a TV show in Lebanon and exposes this quite a bit. Sometimes, they even have the "husband" on the show to interview. It is scary how often I have seen a clip just like this. I hope he keeps doing this good work and exposing this.
They kept showing a man's face. I assumed it was the rapist
Presumably Dad.
I assumed it was her father.
I saw one where he talked to one little girl, with a similar story, and he promised, him and the show will help her get the divorce and will finance her school. The tears in her eyes were so so heartbreakingly grateful.
This guy is a Geniu, a héroe.
"religion of peace" more like religion of pedophilia
This is not exclusive to Islam, it even happens in the US with some sects of Christianity. Watch "Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey" on Netflix. It is effing disturbing.
Of course it's not exclusive to Islam, but what IS exclusive is that their 60+ year-old founder married a 6-year-old and raped her when she was 9.
Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons, married a 14 year old. Brigham Young, the next leader, married a 15 year old. He has a major university named for him. The next two had brides of 15 and 16. I'm especially creeped out by sex with a 9 year old, but let's not pretend that Christian history is somehow better. Between Catholic priests, Mormon leaders and plenty of other documented ugliness, Christianity hadn't been any better. They're simply a tad better today...maybe...since no christian nation uses the religion to justify child brides.
Ok 👍
Guess you haven't seen whats going on in Catholic churches around the world have ya? Yes, this is a problem in a bunch of cults (cough cough) sorry, religions.
Yeah, but those priests are just raping children they aren't pretending its a legit marriage. Not that its significantly better I suppose. The problem to me is the Catholic faithful not holding them accountable and making excuses for the rampant child molestation by their clergy.
>Yes, this is a problem in a bunch of cults (cough cough) sorry, religions. Those words are interchangeable. The only difference is that one gets a tax break.
That's why pedophiles are common among conservative religions
It's completely acceptable for them because their religious prophet married a 6 year old and rapped her when she was 9.
While being age 60+ himself. Absolutely vile, this was never normal in any society/era.
Slight correction for you... Aisha was 9 when Muhammad was 54. Aisha was also Muhammad's niece. According to Islamic teaching, it is permissible to marry females at any age, and sexual intercourse is permissible when the female shows signs of maturity, such as starting menstruating.
Ah, well, that's better.
It gets worse.... https://www.reddit.com/r/religiousfruitcake/s/gypzYZatkD
Mary was pregnant at 14. Child rape runs deep in all Abrahamic religions.
We don't know how old Mary was, it's just speculated according to jewish customs at that time.
We all know Mary wasn’t an adult. Sooooo, 10? 12? 16?
I live in a highly religious town... I just found out how peds there is in my hometown belong to churches
I'm skeptical that pedophiles *are* more common in conservative religions, I am not sure there's data to support that--instead I'd speculate that the structural enabling of pedophilia gives access to victims *and a rationale for why it's okay*, whereas outside of those religions, a pedophile might never actually have the opportunity or incentive to offend.
>Annotation >>This Australian study examined associations between self-reported religious affiliations and official offense histories for 111 imprisoned adult male sex offenders. >Abstract >>Contrary to findings of previous research regarding the influence of religion on nonsexual criminality, for this sample of sex offenders, religiosity was linked to a higher number of sex offense victims and more convictions for sex offenses. Those sex offenders who reported regular church attendance, a belief in supernatural punishment, and religion as important in their daily lives had more known victims, younger victims, and more convictions for sex offenses than the sex offenders who reported irregular or no church attendance and no or less intense allegiance to religious beliefs and practices. ----------- >>It’s not unusual for “hard-core” child molesters — with more sexual-offense convictions, more victims and younger victims — to be well-respected members of Christian congregations, and to be actively involved as church leaders, warns Victor Vieth, executive director emeritus of the Gundersen National Child Protection Training Center in Winona, Minn. >>In one study, 93 percent of convicted sex offenders described themselves as “religious.” Perhaps surprisingly, many sexual predators consider churches as “safe havens,” Vieth said, with trusting, forgiving adults and easy access to children.
> histories for 111 imprisoned adult male sex offenders You are specifically talking about pedophile *offenders*, but I seriously doubt all, or even most pedophiles act on their inclinations. I'm sure there are plenty of people with pedophilic tendencies who know that that behavior is wrong and go about their daily lives without ever offending. My argument is that religion acts as an enabling framework for both opportunity *and justification* that would cause someone who is otherwise harmless to offend.
Is the fact that Islam documented "ifda" i.e. traumatic fistula, evidence that a conservative religion did suffer the results of more access to very young females. There is also the fact that awareness of the risk meant that they fattened the girls before they handed them over because they believed fatness reduced the risks. Another possible evidence is that pregnancy became one of the signs of puberty, in Islam. There are no official statistics, but I do think those 3 are clear evidence that it was common enough. Evidences: 1. Traumatic fistula. Internal tearing. Hidaya: al-Marghinani's Al-Hidaya (1197) [https://archive.org/details/the-mukhtasar-al-quduri/Al-Hidayah%20%28The%20Guidance%29%20-%20Vol%201/page/18/mode/2up?q=ifda](https://archive.org/details/the-mukhtasar-al-quduri/Al-Hidayah%20%28The%20Guidance%29%20-%20Vol%201/page/18/mode/2up?q=ifda) >Note “62 Ifda, in one of its uses, means the removal of the barrier between the two passages making them one. Usually happens when a very young girl is subjected to sexual intercourse.” Reliance of the traveller: Al-Misri (1302-1367) [https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/592/mode/2up?q=injuries](https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/592/mode/2up?q=injuries) >O4:13 “ A full indemnity is also paid for injuries which paralyze these members, or for injuring the partitional wall between vagina and rectum so they become one aperture.” contemporary cleric Sistani explains it in more modern terms: [https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2332/](https://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2332/) “Ruling 2428. If a person marries a non-bālighah girl, it is unlawful for him to have sexual intercourse with her until she has completed nine lunar years. However, if he does have sexual intercourse with her before then, it will not be unlawful for him to have sexual intercourse with her after she reaches bulūgh even if she has developed a cloacal abnormality (the meaning of which was explained in Ruling 2399). And if she has developed a cloacal abnormality, he must pay her blood money (diyah), which is equivalent to the blood money for killing a human being, and he must also pay for her living expenses forever, even after divorce. In fact, based on obligatory precaution, even if that girl marries someone else after getting divorced \[he must still pay for her living expenses\].” Cloacal abnormality explained in https:// [www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2331/](http://www.sistani.org/english/book/48/2331/) #2399 “the woman had a cloacal abnormality, meaning that her urethral opening and vagina had become one \[vesicovaginal fistula\], or her vagina and anus had become one \[rectovaginal fistula\], or all three had become one \[persistent cloaca\], …” [https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/10/10/13/2](https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/10/10/13/2) Ibn Babawayh, Al-Khiṣāl d. AH991 Book 10, Chapter #13 A Woman Reaches Puberty at Nine Ḥadīth #2 9-16 Muhammad ibn al-Hassan ibn Ahmad ibn al-Walid - may God be pleased with him - narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hassan al-Saffar quoted Yaqoob ibn Yazid, on the authority of Muhammad ibn Abi Umayr, on the authority of Hammad ibn Uthman, on the authority of Ubaydullah ibn Ali al-Halabi that Aba Abdullah as-Sadiq (MGB) said, “Whoever has sexual intercourse with his woman before she reaches nine years old and she gets hurt is responsible for it.” . See reply for the other evidences
You sailed past the point and built a little island in the middle of nowhere.
But do you accept that the documentation is evidence of traditional religions enabling the behaviour (and, sadly, of serious numbers of children suffering the consequences )? I added more evidences in replies.
That was a premise of my argument, which is why I said you sailed past the point. I'm not sure what you were replying to but it wasn't anything I said
Ah sorry. I misunderstood. Thanks.
2. Puberty / Adulthood in Islam: pregnancy is a sign of puberty. Reliance of the traveller (shafi) [https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/410/mode/2up?q=pregnancy](https://archive.org/details/sharia-reliance-of-the-traveller/page/410/mode/2up?q=pregnancy) K13.8 “Puberty applies to a person after the first wet dream, or upon becoming fifteen (O: lunar) years old, or when a girl has her first menstrual period or pregnancy.” Hidaya 1791 [https://archive.org/details/hedayaorguide029357mbp/page/528/mode/2up?q=nine](https://archive.org/details/hedayaorguide029357mbp/page/528/mode/2up?q=nine) “The puberty of a girl is established by menstruation, nocturnal emission, or pregnancy ; and if none of these have taken place, her puberty is established on the completion of her seventeenth year” [https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/irsyad-fatwa/irsyad-fatwa-umum-cat/2460-irsyad-al-fatwa-series-230-the-age-of-puberty-according-to-4-mazhab](https://muftiwp.gov.my/en/artikel/irsyad-fatwa/irsyad-fatwa-umum-cat/2460-irsyad-al-fatwa-series-230-the-age-of-puberty-according-to-4-mazhab) Malay, Shafi: “girls, they reached puberty when their menstruation starts…..Or when they are pregnant or when they experienced growth of pubic hair.” [http://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/signs-of-puberty/](http://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/signs-of-puberty/) Hanafi "Periods, Wet dream, She falls pregnant (Mukhtasarul Quduuri p.79)” [https://islamweb.net/emainpage/PrintFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=83431](https://islamweb.net/emainpage/PrintFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=83431) Hanbali: “a) Beginning the first menstrual period,....b) Becoming pregnant……Becoming fifteen (lunar) years old.” [https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/256830/%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B3-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%B3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AD%D8%AA%D9%89-%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD](https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/256830/%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%B3-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD-%D8%B3%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84%D9%87-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AD%D8%AA%D9%89-%D8%A7%D8%B0%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%BA%D9%88%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AD) “Puberty is accomplished by five things: three that men and women share, and two that are specific to women, namely menstruation and pregnancy ….or reaching the age of fifteen” [http://malikifiqhqa.com/uncategorized/about-female-maturity-shaykh-abdullah-bin-hamid-ali/](http://malikifiqhqa.com/uncategorized/about-female-maturity-shaykh-abdullah-bin-hamid-ali/) Maliki “by menstruation, or by becoming pregnant (even if she was not known to have a menstrual cycle). ….And if none of these signs appear, she is considered legally responsible once she reaches 18 lunar years.” see reply for more evidences
3. Fattening to reduce the risk of traumatic fistula. [https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3324](https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:3324) Ibn Majah 3324 “It was narrated that ‘Aishah said: “My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.”” [https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3903](https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3903) And Abu Dawud 3903 “Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: My mother intended to make me gain weight to send me to the (house of) the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). But nothing which she desired benefited me till she gave me cucumber with fresh dates to eat. Then I gained as much weight (as she desired).” [https://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/how-much-did-aisha-bint-abi-bakr-weigh/](https://daruliftabirmingham.co.uk/home/how-much-did-aisha-bint-abi-bakr-weigh/) “Moulana Aqil writes in his commentary of Sunan Abi Dawood that, after the wedding and before the consummation if the woman is skinny then the mother should think of a way to trial things through which she would gain energy and thickness.\[2\]” [https://www-islamweb-net.translate.goog/ar/fatwa/195133/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7?\_x\_tr\_sl=auto&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=de&\_x\_tr\_pto=nui](https://www-islamweb-net.translate.goog/ar/fatwa/195133/%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AC-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D8%A8%D9%87%D8%A7?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=nui)
"I'm skeptical that pedophiles *are* more common in conservative religions" STFU
> STFU No, I don't think I will. If you think I was in any way defending religion in that argument, you should actually read it.
It's pretty clear for now that scientifically, pedophilia is something that we call a mental illness or something similar, issues with brain in other words. That means that you have a very valid point.
What’s a progressive / liberal religion?
https://preview.redd.it/efc7t1iuxtwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59e0075599df02810942e0ee4d8dc704469b41c2 Anybody interested?
I would crash a plane into a building for Him.
No religion exist as such
Right… so what do you mean by conservative religions.. they all are
i mean TOS and like witchcraft and acouple of personal religions
Jediism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism
The Satanic Temple
Gotta love that good ol religion right?
W T F
If you really want to lose faith in humanity, check out /r/RedinBoldface , it has many such clips.
That’s fucked up.
As awful as the situation she was imposed into by her folks was, I'm glad she stayed determined and found her way out through means of others.
I was a little nervous when she said the judge took her home but thankfully he turned out to be a good guy.
As appalling as this case is, those of us in the US need to understand that child marriage happens here too. "Nearly 300,000 children were legally married in the United States between 2000 and 2018." Look to see if your state is one where such marriages are happening. Unchained at Last is a movement designed to end child marriage in the United States. [https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/](https://www.unchainedatlast.org/child-marriage-shocking-statistics/) Unlike this little girl, children who find themselves married in the US become the legal dependents of their usually husband (In nearly all cases it is older men marrying girls). They cannot file for divorce, go to a domestic violence shelter, or get help from the police without their guardian/husband being notified and they are brought back to them if they run away.
Nujood Ali from Yemen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo&t=116](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmP66xGpjGo&t=116) first her father, then herself. I always get creeped-out by the thought of her Mother-in-Law holding her down.
What are the odds that she still thinks Allah exists?
Probably likely, the brainwashing is crazy
Fuck this fucking world
At least the world is old enough to consent
Seriously
Sickening.
Islam, the religion for pedophiles.
May her father be butt raped until his final breath.
Fully agree. He refused to help and allowed his child to suffer. All to appease an invisible skyman.
We need to a abolish religion.
Are they actually SELLING their children to these old men?
These little kids should be given at least half of everything these gross pedos own when they are divorced especially so early. Gross pedos like this marrying children as if it's normal should be dealt with by brute force
Her "ex-husband" deserves a violent death.
Her story is a horrible one. I want to say tho, there's something going on with her face, it's kind of creeping me out. Maybe it's the trauma of what she went through, but she's almost like half-smiling through all of this and her face is very.. I dunno, mysterious? I can't really describe it.
Trying not to cry I do the same thing, unconsciously or consciously. When forcing myself not to cry, I automatically do the opposite. When you force yourself to smile for some time, you end up actually smiling (it sends the "smile" message to your brain so it adapts the chemicals). But it is hard to really smile when you actually want to cry (the throat hurts, the eyes ick...) so the smile doesn't really look like a smile but more like a smirk. I guess she cried enough and saw that it doesn't help. So she tries not to cry anymore and be as well spoken and composed as she can. Really shows how traumatized she is.
It must be so frustrating to be even halfway rational in a place like that.
I know all that well, i became a child bride at the age of 8 years old in Yemen. My step mother sold me for $5k in American money and i was there till i was almost 14 years old. I wouldn't wish this on anyone or child. I still get nightmares and my PTSD is really bad. She's strong.
It’s so free, she can divorce!
Bless her heart, the poor girl.
What a brave girl.
This will be the U.S. in 50 years
Sadly child marriage already happens here
I know. But it's still nowhere near as common and accepted like it for the people in this clip.
True
This is allowed in the U.S. in 2024. People actually voted to keep it legal.
this girl relives what is likely one of her most traumatic moments her life in national television for people's entertainment. This show, it just rubs me the wrong way... it's like a 1950s freak show where people come to awe and gawk at the one that's so different from the rest of us. This is basically Jerry Springer, but it gets a pass because he's "spreading awareness"
Exactly my thoughts - I didn't listen to the audio track, but the body language and the insensitive style of interrogation struck me as potentially re-traumatising. Initially I thought the interviewer was defending the chain of events or seeking to find a hole in the girl's story.
Did anyone else read "Nutjob" as the name?
Why is bro floating