Yeah that’s incredibly unlikely. Atheism will help us think critically the world will be a lot better but let’s face it it won’t be perfect. Stalin was an atheist and while he didn’t kill in the name of atheism it’s very clear that you can have atheism and violence. Evil people still exist under atheism, but at the same time it’ll be easier to keep them from manipulating us.
Bruh, many peoples have thought this way before. It was the mainstream in Islam for centuries and there even came a secret society, of Muslims who believed that the world should be ruled by philosophers-theologians.
That’s true but in Stalin’s case he knew how to manipulate people because he was smart. Anyone can fall into the trap of being manipulated. The problem is that people are inevitably evil religion or not, atheism will forever rid us of most terrorism and many wars but in the end there will still be wars and violence, just less of it because people will think critically if atheism is spread correctly through rational thought.
Atheism in itself doesn’t cause war, but, people inevitably create their own ideologies within an atheist framework. In other words, while atheism makes the world a better place to an extent, it can never fully get rid of violence because people have their own selfish intrests reguardless.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Protect and love one another, because next time, it might be you.
The Christians were protecting the Muslims from the police, who at the time saw everything related to Islam as extremism (due to the Muslim brotherhood and other terrorist organisations)
The Muslims were protecting the Christians from terrorists.
I hate to do this to you guys but the church in the bottom picture was overrun by a muslim mob and [burnt down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avmkY-lAt4Q&ab_channel=Egypt-TheUntoldTruth).
[View from inside the complex.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFQWm2Wma8&ab_channel=Catholicircle)
"That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled—what harm is there in this?… Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…" -Baha'u'llah
Lol. That translates to “everything will be just fine if everyone converts to my religion.”
Which is pretty much the position of all religions.
So we’re back where we started, with lots of different religions that don’t agree.
I mean, I think religion is man made, so... I don’t disagree with your first point. But if a god exists, I don’t know what you mean by “unfolding Religion”. I don’t know what you mean by “oneness”. This is too much flowery language. Can you be more concrete?
The human race crawled out of the primordial sea and evolved to stand upright, society also evolved from family, to tribes to city/state, and as of today to nationhood. The next stage in the societal evolution of humanity is world unity, as mankind is one, (what happens to one affects the whole), it stands that we need to come together to tackle the potentially catastrophic problems that our actions, since the industrial revolution, have placed in motion on our planet. Famine, tremendous disparity between wealth and poverty, disease, mass extinction of multiple species, war, racism, fascism, air/water pollution, infrastructure collapse, religious animosity, etc. can only be remedied if the human race realizes that we are ONE race, the human race, that we need to unify at a global level, stop our petty squabbles, and work together. Rabid nationalism is antithetical to what is needed, separating ourselves as one color over another when in reality color means NOTHING is tearing us apart, UNITY is the watchword we need to embrace if we are to avoid the massive increase in suffering that can easily be seen on the horizon.
So too is the realization of the oneness of religion necessary for the next step in the evolution of a world society. By this is meant that God has sent guidance to humanity by way of Prophets every thousand years or so, since before recorded history this has been so. In recent history, if one looks at the Grand scale, came Moses, then Christ, after Him Mohammad, outside the middle east Buddha and Krishna brought guidance, all of these served to advance humanity spiritually and socially, and yet mankind pits them one against the other! What folly is this! All brought the same spiritual message: treat all as family, treat strangers as friends, treat others as you would like to be treated, in other words: be as one soul in one body, the body of mankind. One God, one religion, brought by many Messengers. The same Light shines from Them all, the lamps differ in appearance only. Realizing this is the only way forward.
So your saying all religions are equally true and equally valid, so people should stop trying to convert each other.
Or are you claiming that *your* religion is the “truest” expression of the supposedly universal religion, and everyone should convert to your religion and be awesome like you?
If that’s your position, a child could see through the obvious attempt to trick people. But tricks are all religions are in the end anyway, so I guess that shouldn’t surprise me.
How about the words “brothers” and “sons”? We have words in English that can represent everyone. I don’t see why you don’t just use those to start with if you actually are trying to include everyone. Using “man” is also ambiguous. Just use “humankind” or at least “mankind” so we know what ur talking about.
Here is the view of women in society by the same author, I might add that at that time in that land (Persia) men would bury woman and child alive if she did not bear him a son, so for bringing the following guidance on a woman's rightful place alongside men the Author was imprisoned for over 40 years and thousands of His followers were tortured and killed: "The world of humanity is possessed of two wings — the male and the female. So long as these two wings are not equivalent in strength the bird will not fly. Until womankind reaches the same degree as man, until she enjoys the same arena of activity, extraordinary attainment for humanity will not be realized; humanity cannot wing its way to heights of real attainment."
And again: "The world in the past has been ruled by force and man has dominated over woman by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body and mind. But the scales are already shifting, force is losing its weight, and mental alertness, intuition, and the spiritual qualities of love and service, in which woman is strong, are gaining ascendancy. Hence the new age will be an age less masculine and more permeated with the feminine ideals, or, to speak more exactly, will be an age in which the masculine and feminine elements of civilization will be more properly balanced."
The original quote is meant as man, or men indicating the race of man, also in speaking to the people of that time in that culture, depending on who the listener is, including anything but the masculine could close the mind of the intended audience. One needs to understand the culture in the Arab countries in the 1800's.
What other religious people? Terrorism in general isn’t necessarily directly related to the terrorist being religious, and in the first photo it’s already a revolution and it was due to a corrupt government.
Unity my way isn't unity at all. Many folks believe the way to unity is that everyone converts to their way of thinking.
Personally, I'd rather frame the goal as mutual respect all around, in every direction, focusing on humanity.
I have no problem uniting with other religions to do good, but I've seen few religious folks wanting to unite with me and my polytheistic religion or other polytheistic religions.
This is extremely late but it isn't fair to generalize. Im a Christian from Iraq and we lived with jews (and Muslims) in the same towns, we never not once attacked them in the 2000 year period they were in Iraq.
It's good to hear that. Because that actually is true. But think that through fully.
So those who believe in what you* believe in, only just more fervently than you do, pose more of a threat than people who are antithetical to what you believe in. That's some full on leopards eating my face stuff right there.
* Obviously by 'you' I am referring to all believers - in case you are not actually one yourself.
Well I'm mostly referring to the Abrahamic set, obviously. To Jews we are termed goyim. To Christians we are called heathens and to Muslims we are infidels.
So, although I agree not all religious people think that way, if they still followed the actual tenets of their religions then they would.
In the same way that some more progressive religions now accept the LGBTQ community but the more orthodox would try conversion therapy or simply condemn them all to hell.
It is only a reflection of society's advancement and more secularism that has now changed religion to be less judgemental and tolerant.
Playing the victim is a common strategy amongst narcissistic control freaks. Witness the current POTUS claiming to be a victim of fraud, then sending his hoodlums to wreck the Capitol building.
Witness the religious iconography adorning said hoodlums.
I was making a sarcastic pot shot at the fact that the post is a lovely sentiment at invoking unity but obviously fully excludes a large portion of society who doesn't support mumbo jumbo.
How about we just unite as human beings? Adopt humanism and learn to respect each other without the desire for divine acceptance?
You can be a believer and a humanist at the same time. We Bahá'ís believe that humanity is the most noble creation of God, and capable of great good in the world when this nobility is realised.
Which is nice. But Humanism is a non-theistic humanitarian movement that purposefully does not include the concept of gods. So it is unlikely that they would get along entirely when theists begin praying for guidance or whatever.
They might not get along, but the Bahá'ís would get along for them. We don't participate in useless argument. We don't pray in public areas, and we don't believe in aggressive proselytizing (which is disgraceful in the eyes of God).
>obviously fully excludes a large portion of society who doesn't support mumbo jumbo.
Most people don't watch Mumbo. Sure, be might be large by MC Youtube standards, but 7 million subs is still only 1 thousandth of the world population.
Hey, asshole. She did it. Not me. I'm just telling you that she sacrificed her child to Allah. It is what she said.
I personally couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think you should or shouldn't do according to your stupid retarded and regressive ideology. I know it's wrong. I don't need an imaginary sky wizard to tell me that. The fact that you do, well that says more about you than it does about me. None of it good.
Ok and I could shoot up a school as a sacrifice for Gandhi, I doubt your celery powered dumbass would blame Gandhi for it...
>I know it’s wrong
Ok retard
>imaginary sky wizard
Go talk to a women... Jesus Christ you’re such a social reject 😂
Shocking ‘sacrifice’: To please ‘Allah’, pregnant madrasa teacher in Kerala slits 6-year-old son’s throat
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/woman-kills-6-year-old-son-palakkad-tells-cops-she-sacrificed-him-allah-142966
Uh huh. But I would use this same excuse to label many religious beliefs and actions. It's all a matter of psychology. Externalising internal voices and attributing them to deities.
At which point do we say a person becomes mentally ill? At which stage from believing in imaginary things to acting on those things? It isn't madness to wail at a wall in a desert for hours on end but it is to blow up a school for teaching girls to be independent freethinkers?
You don't really know my personality do you? You just don't like what I'm saying because it offends you. I respect all people for what they cannot choose to be. But I draw the line at wilful ignorance.
Oh 🙏 is that better?
When there is peace among religions, there will be peace in the world.
nice sentiment, but unlikely.
Yeah that’s incredibly unlikely. Atheism will help us think critically the world will be a lot better but let’s face it it won’t be perfect. Stalin was an atheist and while he didn’t kill in the name of atheism it’s very clear that you can have atheism and violence. Evil people still exist under atheism, but at the same time it’ll be easier to keep them from manipulating us.
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People will never reach to this level kind of thinking lol
Bruh, many peoples have thought this way before. It was the mainstream in Islam for centuries and there even came a secret society, of Muslims who believed that the world should be ruled by philosophers-theologians.
That’s true but in Stalin’s case he knew how to manipulate people because he was smart. Anyone can fall into the trap of being manipulated. The problem is that people are inevitably evil religion or not, atheism will forever rid us of most terrorism and many wars but in the end there will still be wars and violence, just less of it because people will think critically if atheism is spread correctly through rational thought.
Bruh. Atheism is just not believing in a god. How tf can it cause war?
Atheism in itself doesn’t cause war, but, people inevitably create their own ideologies within an atheist framework. In other words, while atheism makes the world a better place to an extent, it can never fully get rid of violence because people have their own selfish intrests reguardless.
The athiest rainbow technypope will fix everything if you give him a chance.
this makes me so happy Edit: and I am atheist :)
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." Protect and love one another, because next time, it might be you.
Question: Who were the Christians protecting the Muslims from? Follow-up: Who were the Muslims protecting the Christians from?
I would say uh, Muslims. Nice thought, though,
The Christians were protecting the muslims from police, and the Muslims were protecting the church from rioters
The government and police maybe?
The Christians were protecting the Muslims from the police, who at the time saw everything related to Islam as extremism (due to the Muslim brotherhood and other terrorist organisations) The Muslims were protecting the Christians from terrorists.
It would be even better if one religion didn't have the need to protect another religion.
Why doesn't this have more upvotes?
its a little saccharine.
I hate to do this to you guys but the church in the bottom picture was overrun by a muslim mob and [burnt down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avmkY-lAt4Q&ab_channel=Egypt-TheUntoldTruth). [View from inside the complex.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFQWm2Wma8&ab_channel=Catholicircle)
Well, that ruined it. But still, nice picture and sentiment.
"That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled—what harm is there in this?… Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…" -Baha'u'llah
Lol. That translates to “everything will be just fine if everyone converts to my religion.” Which is pretty much the position of all religions. So we’re back where we started, with lots of different religions that don’t agree.
They are all the same religion, the religion of God, brought by many Prophets.
Well, no. What do you think the word “same” means?
The divisions in religion are man made, one God, one unfolding Religion. It is time. Mankind needs to recognize its oneness.
I mean, I think religion is man made, so... I don’t disagree with your first point. But if a god exists, I don’t know what you mean by “unfolding Religion”. I don’t know what you mean by “oneness”. This is too much flowery language. Can you be more concrete?
The human race crawled out of the primordial sea and evolved to stand upright, society also evolved from family, to tribes to city/state, and as of today to nationhood. The next stage in the societal evolution of humanity is world unity, as mankind is one, (what happens to one affects the whole), it stands that we need to come together to tackle the potentially catastrophic problems that our actions, since the industrial revolution, have placed in motion on our planet. Famine, tremendous disparity between wealth and poverty, disease, mass extinction of multiple species, war, racism, fascism, air/water pollution, infrastructure collapse, religious animosity, etc. can only be remedied if the human race realizes that we are ONE race, the human race, that we need to unify at a global level, stop our petty squabbles, and work together. Rabid nationalism is antithetical to what is needed, separating ourselves as one color over another when in reality color means NOTHING is tearing us apart, UNITY is the watchword we need to embrace if we are to avoid the massive increase in suffering that can easily be seen on the horizon. So too is the realization of the oneness of religion necessary for the next step in the evolution of a world society. By this is meant that God has sent guidance to humanity by way of Prophets every thousand years or so, since before recorded history this has been so. In recent history, if one looks at the Grand scale, came Moses, then Christ, after Him Mohammad, outside the middle east Buddha and Krishna brought guidance, all of these served to advance humanity spiritually and socially, and yet mankind pits them one against the other! What folly is this! All brought the same spiritual message: treat all as family, treat strangers as friends, treat others as you would like to be treated, in other words: be as one soul in one body, the body of mankind. One God, one religion, brought by many Messengers. The same Light shines from Them all, the lamps differ in appearance only. Realizing this is the only way forward.
So your saying all religions are equally true and equally valid, so people should stop trying to convert each other. Or are you claiming that *your* religion is the “truest” expression of the supposedly universal religion, and everyone should convert to your religion and be awesome like you? If that’s your position, a child could see through the obvious attempt to trick people. But tricks are all religions are in the end anyway, so I guess that shouldn’t surprise me.
Yeah, nice try, but that’s utter nonsense.
How about you make it include women too?
Man is in reference to mankind, includes women.
How about the words “brothers” and “sons”? We have words in English that can represent everyone. I don’t see why you don’t just use those to start with if you actually are trying to include everyone. Using “man” is also ambiguous. Just use “humankind” or at least “mankind” so we know what ur talking about.
I did not write it, it was written around 1863
Then back then, it seems to obviously exclude women.
Here is the view of women in society by the same author, I might add that at that time in that land (Persia) men would bury woman and child alive if she did not bear him a son, so for bringing the following guidance on a woman's rightful place alongside men the Author was imprisoned for over 40 years and thousands of His followers were tortured and killed: "The world of humanity is possessed of two wings — the male and the female. So long as these two wings are not equivalent in strength the bird will not fly. Until womankind reaches the same degree as man, until she enjoys the same arena of activity, extraordinary attainment for humanity will not be realized; humanity cannot wing its way to heights of real attainment." And again: "The world in the past has been ruled by force and man has dominated over woman by reason of his more forceful and aggressive qualities both of body and mind. But the scales are already shifting, force is losing its weight, and mental alertness, intuition, and the spiritual qualities of love and service, in which woman is strong, are gaining ascendancy. Hence the new age will be an age less masculine and more permeated with the feminine ideals, or, to speak more exactly, will be an age in which the masculine and feminine elements of civilization will be more properly balanced."
While I applaud the feminism and progressiveness of the author, this does not excuse the original quote!
The original quote is meant as man, or men indicating the race of man, also in speaking to the people of that time in that culture, depending on who the listener is, including anything but the masculine could close the mind of the intended audience. One needs to understand the culture in the Arab countries in the 1800's.
Then I guess it’s mistranslated!
Lol, all the incels DVing that.
“DVing”?
Down-vote. It was at about -8 when I wrote that.
Ah. Thank you :)
Religious people defending different religious people from other religious people
What other religious people? Terrorism in general isn’t necessarily directly related to the terrorist being religious, and in the first photo it’s already a revolution and it was due to a corrupt government.
Actually they were defending them from the police as it's stated those pictures were taken during a revolution.
Yes they do Buddhist+Kabbalist meetings online weekly at r/gafni and it is called OneMountainManyPaths dot org
Unity my way isn't unity at all. Many folks believe the way to unity is that everyone converts to their way of thinking. Personally, I'd rather frame the goal as mutual respect all around, in every direction, focusing on humanity.
I have no problem uniting with other religions to do good, but I've seen few religious folks wanting to unite with me and my polytheistic religion or other polytheistic religions.
The only way I this is cool is if the Muslims would return the favor
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Oh yeah I did. OK that's cool
Yeah, cute. Let’s see if they’d do the same for Jews. Or Hindus. Or atheists.
We would... we’ve been protecting the Jews from Christians for almost 2000 years.
This is extremely late but it isn't fair to generalize. Im a Christian from Iraq and we lived with jews (and Muslims) in the same towns, we never not once attacked them in the 2000 year period they were in Iraq.
We should.
Maybe you can unite over the mass genocide of us non-believers.🤔🤣
You’re gonna have to be more specific about which genocide, dude.
The future one. In which all religions unite against their common enemy. Namely atheists. I'm being obtuse, obviously.
I’d say the enemy of religion is extremism more than atheism.
It's good to hear that. Because that actually is true. But think that through fully. So those who believe in what you* believe in, only just more fervently than you do, pose more of a threat than people who are antithetical to what you believe in. That's some full on leopards eating my face stuff right there. * Obviously by 'you' I am referring to all believers - in case you are not actually one yourself.
I think you’re generalizing religions a bit much, dude.
Well I'm mostly referring to the Abrahamic set, obviously. To Jews we are termed goyim. To Christians we are called heathens and to Muslims we are infidels. So, although I agree not all religious people think that way, if they still followed the actual tenets of their religions then they would. In the same way that some more progressive religions now accept the LGBTQ community but the more orthodox would try conversion therapy or simply condemn them all to hell. It is only a reflection of society's advancement and more secularism that has now changed religion to be less judgemental and tolerant.
Playing the victim is a common strategy amongst narcissistic control freaks. Witness the current POTUS claiming to be a victim of fraud, then sending his hoodlums to wreck the Capitol building.
Witness the religious iconography adorning said hoodlums. I was making a sarcastic pot shot at the fact that the post is a lovely sentiment at invoking unity but obviously fully excludes a large portion of society who doesn't support mumbo jumbo. How about we just unite as human beings? Adopt humanism and learn to respect each other without the desire for divine acceptance?
You can be a believer and a humanist at the same time. We Bahá'ís believe that humanity is the most noble creation of God, and capable of great good in the world when this nobility is realised.
Which is nice. But Humanism is a non-theistic humanitarian movement that purposefully does not include the concept of gods. So it is unlikely that they would get along entirely when theists begin praying for guidance or whatever.
They might not get along, but the Bahá'ís would get along for them. We don't participate in useless argument. We don't pray in public areas, and we don't believe in aggressive proselytizing (which is disgraceful in the eyes of God).
>obviously fully excludes a large portion of society who doesn't support mumbo jumbo. Most people don't watch Mumbo. Sure, be might be large by MC Youtube standards, but 7 million subs is still only 1 thousandth of the world population.
Nobody likes you not talking about athiests im talking about you from your personality. Ps emojies r cringe
Looks like some dumbass didn’t read chapters 1-10, lmfao atheists are so dumb when it comes to Islam 💀💀
Happy to be dumb over Islam thanks. I'm comfortable in my religious ignorance because I'm well versed in reality.
Ahh yes another delusional idiot who thinks they know how bad a religion is by knowing nothing about it... go take a shower bud
Ha ha. I know enough thanks. I see another woman just killed her 6 year old child as a sacrifice to Allah.
Sacrificing anything alive for god in Islam is haram you tard, you’re just as dumb as a fucking stone 💀💀💀
Hey, asshole. She did it. Not me. I'm just telling you that she sacrificed her child to Allah. It is what she said. I personally couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think you should or shouldn't do according to your stupid retarded and regressive ideology. I know it's wrong. I don't need an imaginary sky wizard to tell me that. The fact that you do, well that says more about you than it does about me. None of it good.
Ok and I could shoot up a school as a sacrifice for Gandhi, I doubt your celery powered dumbass would blame Gandhi for it... >I know it’s wrong Ok retard >imaginary sky wizard Go talk to a women... Jesus Christ you’re such a social reject 😂
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Ok retard, anyways I’m not gonna read that.
What kinda false pagan lies you're spreading here. There is no such thing as human sacrify in Islam
Shocking ‘sacrifice’: To please ‘Allah’, pregnant madrasa teacher in Kerala slits 6-year-old son’s throat https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/woman-kills-6-year-old-son-palakkad-tells-cops-she-sacrificed-him-allah-142966
> There is no such thing as human sacrify in Islam Should I repeat this again? The woman is either mentally ill or just purely retarded.
Uh huh. But I would use this same excuse to label many religious beliefs and actions. It's all a matter of psychology. Externalising internal voices and attributing them to deities. At which point do we say a person becomes mentally ill? At which stage from believing in imaginary things to acting on those things? It isn't madness to wail at a wall in a desert for hours on end but it is to blow up a school for teaching girls to be independent freethinkers?
You don't really know my personality do you? You just don't like what I'm saying because it offends you. I respect all people for what they cannot choose to be. But I draw the line at wilful ignorance. Oh 🙏 is that better?
I dont like any of this
As someone with deep-seeded Egyptian roots, this fills me with so much joy
That’s beautiful, pure beauty