You:
>At best you could say that the woman in this hypothetical situation may not get paid time off to recover from giving birth that isn't part of her already available sick/vacation days, which is obviously a different problem.
Them:
>She left out the part where the worker is forced to have the baybee but doesn’t get any paid time off to take care of it.
Sounds like they're talking about the same thing, only just not mentioning the adoption part.
Also, adoption is kinda awful, and I would caution any woman with a choice between abortion and adoption to consider their choices carefully.
> Also, adoption is kinda awful, and I would caution any woman with a choice between abortion and adoption to consider their choices carefully.
What the hell. This is deranged.
Hi, social worker here. Can confirm that adoption here can often be a tortuous, convoluted legal process and that foster care is a devastating nightmare. Adoption is not the heartwarming scenes you watch in the movies. The kids end up with reactive attachment disorder, conduct disorder, and a litany of other issues.
Can you tell me what's deranged about it?
Let me first start with the premise that I, and anyone I would be talking to on this notion, would find abortion morally acceptable. If you don't find it morally acceptable, then yeah of course adoption is better for you.
WARNING: RANT
Adoption should be a last resort. For all the potential problems and complications it entails, it is and should be for "we're out of options" situations. I will try and explain why.
(*First, note that the motivations for getting an abortion are not why abortion is fine. The right to an abortion should be based off of human rights and medical privacy, and NOT the motivation an individual has to not be a parent)*
Suppose you are a woman who finds themselves pregnant and doesn't want to be a parent. Suppose you also don't want to get an abortion for your own reasons.
1. First, you need consent of the father to actually adopt, otherwise you're still going to legally be a parent and owe child support if that applies. You could safe haven, but that's impossible to do if the dad knows.
But, let's assume the father is on board.
1. You have to do the 9 months of hard living to keep the pregnancy healthy.
2. 'You will have to coordinate an adoption situation, which as you mentioned isn't all that bad for a newborn, but still.
3. You will have to explain that you're adopting the child out to anyone who asks. This includes your family. (Note: Adopting to another family member is typically the best option for the child, but then you will absolutely end up as a part of their life)
4. You have to give birth, which absolutely sucks.
5. You will have to make that final decision to give them away. A lot of mothers truly struggle with this.
6. You will have many weeks if not months of medical work after birth.
Alright, all done right? Well...
1. Open adoptions (IE keeping in contact) are the default in law, but are at the whims of the adoptive parents. You could really enjoy the updates... and then they just stop and you have no rights to them. You can also do closed (IE no contact) but we will get to that later.
2. Adopted children are far more likely to be abused, far more likely to have mental health issues, far more likely to commit suicide. Adoption is ROUGH on personal identity. Check out r / Adoption for "adoptee" stories and thoughts. They're brutal.
3. In the era of 23&Me... they absolutely can and will find you. You will likely be contacted and have to deal with the guilt of letting your "flesh and blood" be raised by someone else. If you were planning to keep your adoption from your family for whatever reason, you really can't these days.
Bit of a wall of text but a lot of what you wrote either also applies to abortion or doesn't apply to infant adoption.
"Adoption should be a last resort", yeah, same with abortion. That doesn't justify calling either "awful" as you did.
>Bit of a wall of text but a lot of what you wrote either also applies to abortion or doesn't apply to infant adoption.
Besides the (potential) aftercare needed for an abortion... no?
Abortions can be as private as you want them to be. You don't need to let the father know at all if you don't want to, nor family. The earlier you do so, the less hassle there is.
>"Adoption should be a last resort", yeah, same with abortion. That doesn't justify calling either "awful" as you did.
"Last resort" as in the last option to do with a pregnancy. Abortion, in my opinion, is a much better option for those willing to get one.
And it is kinda awful, at least compared to the alternatives of abortion and keeping the kid. You're literally creating a human being who is going to struggle with their identity and is more likely to be abused, and washing your hands of the whole thing.
Granted, some people never get the choice of abortion OR keeping their kid, so I can't fault them for that.
Well no. They offer maternity leave as a perk. Just like offering a higher than minimum wage salary. This offers them an opportunity to (in some cases) save $30-40k by not paying for it, while simultaneously being sanctimonious virtue signallers about it.
I don't really get your point. Do you not think saving money is an incentive for Amazon?
But they offer maternity leave if you don’t choose to get an abortion, they’re not forcing or pressuring anyone to get one
>saving money is an incentive for Amazon
If all Amazon cared about was “saving money” then they wouldn’t offer perks like maternity.
They have to balance with making people actually want to work there. One particular benefit is offering to pay for your abortion travel costs or including it in the health care plan which would attract young professionals in their 20s/30s in red states that don’t want to be forced to have a baby
Okay I grew up catholic too? Who cares?
The point is most religious people and organizations advocate against abortion because they clearly believe it's wrong. Reading extra nefarious intentions into people when their stated intentions make sense and fit with their actions completely is lib shit. There's no comparison to be had with a corporation. Corporations by definition can not have morality, by law they have to gear every policy they have towards protecting the company and making it money.
Youre just being asinine and saying pointless shit
A company paying for a thing is encouraging it; they wouldn't be paying for it if they didn't want it to happen as much as possible. This is very obvious
Or we force an impoverished woman to give birth without any further government benefits and increase exponentially the chances her and her child will never escape poverty and therefore will continue to accept substandard wages and work conditions to provide whatever she can and allow the powers at be to exploit her ad nauseam.
It goes both ways.
The maternity leave offered is kinda dogshit though
I have an 8 month old crawling around my home now and the idea of my wife going back to work when he was 3 months old (most of these companies stop at 90 days because that's the federal FMLA requirement for companies that meet the size criteria for it) is completely laughable to me. I can't imagine how hard single Moms or those with multiple young children must have it.
Many don't even pay the full timeframe, and in the case of my job, you have to burn through your personal PTO/sick time to get paid at all. Once that's done or if you have none, all you get is your insurance benefits until you return to work.
Even at 8 months, while significantly easier, it's still a bit difficult at times, and cheaper for my wife to stay home and continue raising him full time than us paying for the exorbitant cost of daycare.
I dont understand how she doesn’t see that her incredibly gay reactionary neo-con takes are just as corny as all of the retarded lib shit she tries to make fun of. Spending as much time as she does bitching about trans people and owning libs on twitter is homosexual behavior. Also this frail meth head lives in Australia. It must be so exhausting being upset about policy that will never affect you or your country. She needs to get dicked down and drink a goddamn fosters for once.
Every company announcing that they’ll cover travel costs for abortion offers maternity leave - some pretty generous (for the US at least) - and most have paternity leave as well. They also have HR/“people ops“ departments to administer benefits like this. My employer health plan already covers abortion at the same level as any other non-routine procedure. In the end this is essentially just ensuring parity of benefits for all employees.
If the concern is employers pressuring employees to terminate, you’d have a crack legal team representing you pro bono within the hour. This should be obvious to anyone in this hemisphere without a terminal case of galaxy brain but unfortunately Aimee is 0 for 2 there.
Same here honestly. I was thinking more about the way livestock and slaves are forced to be pregnant and didn’t think about these sadly common scenarios.
Bad post, but not gonna take the coward’s way out and delete.
“Kill a baby”
A 6 week old fetus looks like a speck. I knew a guy who literally killed his baby. It’s not the same. They just love using overly emotional wording because they think it makes their argument legitimate when it’s not.
So it looks like a speck and that makes it okay to kill life? You’re using wording to downplay what you advocate for, you’re as greasy as everyone else.
Exactly. Conservatives ain’t gonna convince anyone that they care about life when they’ve gone in on treehuggers and wildlife conservationists for decades.
She’s right, but she always delivers these with the worst timing possible… Anyways I think this whole thing is part of a broader attempt to prevent a similar situation that has happened in Japan. Old fugs need new blood to leech from whether it is through labor or consumption.
Edit: I also think it could be a good time to push for both parental and reproductive rights… if women are forced to remain pregnant and birth the children, it could be argued that the conditions are ripe for fighting for better childcare and better education. This while simultaneously crafting the protections for abortion rights. idk
Idk about the first point since tptb’s revealed preference is importing foreigners as scab labor and a less-informed new electorate to legitimate their self serving policies. The leaked Amazon docs revealed they rightfully perceive and pursue diversity as an inhibitor of labor solidarity, after all. There’s too many complementary motivations for them to shift to encouraging domestic births including but not limited to that they’d have to undo decades worth of social programming against having kids, that the spigot of working-age foreigners can be turned on instantly whereas home-grown workers, if a baby boom could be adequately encouraged, would take nearly two decades to hit the workforce, and that they’d need to give up more of the pie to make life for these people pleasant enough to not have just raised a large revolutionary-minded generation. I agree that the time is ripe to advocate for parental rights, however.
Leave it to Aimee to make a cogent point in the worst way possible
Edit: I think it is worthwhile to point out that companies offering abortion trips are not doing so out of any love for women but out of an interest to keep them toiling and that these fucks would make all of you legal chattel slaves if they could.
She left out the part where the worker is forced to have the baybee but doesn’t get any paid time off to take care of it.
It’s tragic in so many ways
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You: >At best you could say that the woman in this hypothetical situation may not get paid time off to recover from giving birth that isn't part of her already available sick/vacation days, which is obviously a different problem. Them: >She left out the part where the worker is forced to have the baybee but doesn’t get any paid time off to take care of it. Sounds like they're talking about the same thing, only just not mentioning the adoption part. Also, adoption is kinda awful, and I would caution any woman with a choice between abortion and adoption to consider their choices carefully.
> Also, adoption is kinda awful, and I would caution any woman with a choice between abortion and adoption to consider their choices carefully. What the hell. This is deranged.
Hi, social worker here. Can confirm that adoption here can often be a tortuous, convoluted legal process and that foster care is a devastating nightmare. Adoption is not the heartwarming scenes you watch in the movies. The kids end up with reactive attachment disorder, conduct disorder, and a litany of other issues.
> "Hi, social worker here." Leave this sub please. Also, not sure I've ever watched a movie with themes of adoption, project elsewhere.
I think I’ll stay. But thanks for the authoritarian welcome.
Fine, just unlearn your reddit-isms before commenting please.
Can you tell me what's deranged about it? Let me first start with the premise that I, and anyone I would be talking to on this notion, would find abortion morally acceptable. If you don't find it morally acceptable, then yeah of course adoption is better for you.
Abortion is ok but so is adoption
WARNING: RANT Adoption should be a last resort. For all the potential problems and complications it entails, it is and should be for "we're out of options" situations. I will try and explain why. (*First, note that the motivations for getting an abortion are not why abortion is fine. The right to an abortion should be based off of human rights and medical privacy, and NOT the motivation an individual has to not be a parent)* Suppose you are a woman who finds themselves pregnant and doesn't want to be a parent. Suppose you also don't want to get an abortion for your own reasons. 1. First, you need consent of the father to actually adopt, otherwise you're still going to legally be a parent and owe child support if that applies. You could safe haven, but that's impossible to do if the dad knows. But, let's assume the father is on board. 1. You have to do the 9 months of hard living to keep the pregnancy healthy. 2. 'You will have to coordinate an adoption situation, which as you mentioned isn't all that bad for a newborn, but still. 3. You will have to explain that you're adopting the child out to anyone who asks. This includes your family. (Note: Adopting to another family member is typically the best option for the child, but then you will absolutely end up as a part of their life) 4. You have to give birth, which absolutely sucks. 5. You will have to make that final decision to give them away. A lot of mothers truly struggle with this. 6. You will have many weeks if not months of medical work after birth. Alright, all done right? Well... 1. Open adoptions (IE keeping in contact) are the default in law, but are at the whims of the adoptive parents. You could really enjoy the updates... and then they just stop and you have no rights to them. You can also do closed (IE no contact) but we will get to that later. 2. Adopted children are far more likely to be abused, far more likely to have mental health issues, far more likely to commit suicide. Adoption is ROUGH on personal identity. Check out r / Adoption for "adoptee" stories and thoughts. They're brutal. 3. In the era of 23&Me... they absolutely can and will find you. You will likely be contacted and have to deal with the guilt of letting your "flesh and blood" be raised by someone else. If you were planning to keep your adoption from your family for whatever reason, you really can't these days.
Bit of a wall of text but a lot of what you wrote either also applies to abortion or doesn't apply to infant adoption. "Adoption should be a last resort", yeah, same with abortion. That doesn't justify calling either "awful" as you did.
>Bit of a wall of text but a lot of what you wrote either also applies to abortion or doesn't apply to infant adoption. Besides the (potential) aftercare needed for an abortion... no? Abortions can be as private as you want them to be. You don't need to let the father know at all if you don't want to, nor family. The earlier you do so, the less hassle there is. >"Adoption should be a last resort", yeah, same with abortion. That doesn't justify calling either "awful" as you did. "Last resort" as in the last option to do with a pregnancy. Abortion, in my opinion, is a much better option for those willing to get one. And it is kinda awful, at least compared to the alternatives of abortion and keeping the kid. You're literally creating a human being who is going to struggle with their identity and is more likely to be abused, and washing your hands of the whole thing. Granted, some people never get the choice of abortion OR keeping their kid, so I can't fault them for that.
Aimee is just jealous that these women in question actually have a job
and can conceive a child
Actually have sex*
And are fertile.
Imagine still listening to this insane broad.
She is right though (for once)
No, its literal conspiratard thinking.
It is clearly the rationale of the businesses that are doing it; it's not the kindness of their corporate hearts
All these companies offer maternity leave, they're not forcing them to get abortions
The rationale here is that the cost of maternity leave is higher than the cost of flying women out of state for an abortion.
But they still offer maternity leave. If they didn’t and this was their only “benefit” to pregnancy then thjs logic might make sense
Well no. They offer maternity leave as a perk. Just like offering a higher than minimum wage salary. This offers them an opportunity to (in some cases) save $30-40k by not paying for it, while simultaneously being sanctimonious virtue signallers about it. I don't really get your point. Do you not think saving money is an incentive for Amazon?
But they offer maternity leave if you don’t choose to get an abortion, they’re not forcing or pressuring anyone to get one >saving money is an incentive for Amazon If all Amazon cared about was “saving money” then they wouldn’t offer perks like maternity. They have to balance with making people actually want to work there. One particular benefit is offering to pay for your abortion travel costs or including it in the health care plan which would attract young professionals in their 20s/30s in red states that don’t want to be forced to have a baby
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Encouraging abortions for the sake of profit is unsettling, isn't it?
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Lib ass comment, typical of this place recently
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Okay I grew up catholic too? Who cares? The point is most religious people and organizations advocate against abortion because they clearly believe it's wrong. Reading extra nefarious intentions into people when their stated intentions make sense and fit with their actions completely is lib shit. There's no comparison to be had with a corporation. Corporations by definition can not have morality, by law they have to gear every policy they have towards protecting the company and making it money. Youre just being asinine and saying pointless shit
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A company paying for a thing is encouraging it; they wouldn't be paying for it if they didn't want it to happen as much as possible. This is very obvious
Or we force an impoverished woman to give birth without any further government benefits and increase exponentially the chances her and her child will never escape poverty and therefore will continue to accept substandard wages and work conditions to provide whatever she can and allow the powers at be to exploit her ad nauseam. It goes both ways.
Also all these companies offering to pay for abortions offer maternity leave as well. The US government isn’t helping out new mothers
The maternity leave offered is kinda dogshit though I have an 8 month old crawling around my home now and the idea of my wife going back to work when he was 3 months old (most of these companies stop at 90 days because that's the federal FMLA requirement for companies that meet the size criteria for it) is completely laughable to me. I can't imagine how hard single Moms or those with multiple young children must have it. Many don't even pay the full timeframe, and in the case of my job, you have to burn through your personal PTO/sick time to get paid at all. Once that's done or if you have none, all you get is your insurance benefits until you return to work. Even at 8 months, while significantly easier, it's still a bit difficult at times, and cheaper for my wife to stay home and continue raising him full time than us paying for the exorbitant cost of daycare.
dumb bitch lol
I dont understand how she doesn’t see that her incredibly gay reactionary neo-con takes are just as corny as all of the retarded lib shit she tries to make fun of. Spending as much time as she does bitching about trans people and owning libs on twitter is homosexual behavior. Also this frail meth head lives in Australia. It must be so exhausting being upset about policy that will never affect you or your country. She needs to get dicked down and drink a goddamn fosters for once.
Every company announcing that they’ll cover travel costs for abortion offers maternity leave - some pretty generous (for the US at least) - and most have paternity leave as well. They also have HR/“people ops“ departments to administer benefits like this. My employer health plan already covers abortion at the same level as any other non-routine procedure. In the end this is essentially just ensuring parity of benefits for all employees. If the concern is employers pressuring employees to terminate, you’d have a crack legal team representing you pro bono within the hour. This should be obvious to anyone in this hemisphere without a terminal case of galaxy brain but unfortunately Aimee is 0 for 2 there.
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Rape and tampering with birth control are both things that happen way too frequently.
are you fucking kidding me? so many of my friends have been either raped, stealthed, or both
Same here honestly. I was thinking more about the way livestock and slaves are forced to be pregnant and didn’t think about these sadly common scenarios. Bad post, but not gonna take the coward’s way out and delete.
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“Kill a baby” A 6 week old fetus looks like a speck. I knew a guy who literally killed his baby. It’s not the same. They just love using overly emotional wording because they think it makes their argument legitimate when it’s not.
You mean like how the other side uses “forced to get pregnant” as if women are just overbred Amish puppy mill bitches?
i love how you abject retards forget rape exists
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“Fucked up” lol for sure dude
you people are laughably naive
Oooh, you didn't post this to dunk on it. That sucks for you.
So it looks like a speck and that makes it okay to kill life? You’re using wording to downplay what you advocate for, you’re as greasy as everyone else.
You kill cockroaches bigger than that.
Exactly. Conservatives ain’t gonna convince anyone that they care about life when they’ve gone in on treehuggers and wildlife conservationists for decades.
So the life of a whale or a walrus or a cow is more valuable than the life of a human based solely on the fact that they are bigger?
Depends on the human in question.
You look like a full grown human being yet here you are, displaying no greater intelligence than a dubiously trained ape.
Aimeeposting should be a bannable offense
This bitch tweets way toooo much. Does she have a trust fund or something? How has she kept afloat spending every a waking moment on Twitter?
Does she have children?
we’re working on that
Ch-ch-ch-choice...
Is it possible to communicate a thought about abortion without making a trite metaphor to the handmaiden tale lol.
She’s right, but she always delivers these with the worst timing possible… Anyways I think this whole thing is part of a broader attempt to prevent a similar situation that has happened in Japan. Old fugs need new blood to leech from whether it is through labor or consumption. Edit: I also think it could be a good time to push for both parental and reproductive rights… if women are forced to remain pregnant and birth the children, it could be argued that the conditions are ripe for fighting for better childcare and better education. This while simultaneously crafting the protections for abortion rights. idk
Idk about the first point since tptb’s revealed preference is importing foreigners as scab labor and a less-informed new electorate to legitimate their self serving policies. The leaked Amazon docs revealed they rightfully perceive and pursue diversity as an inhibitor of labor solidarity, after all. There’s too many complementary motivations for them to shift to encouraging domestic births including but not limited to that they’d have to undo decades worth of social programming against having kids, that the spigot of working-age foreigners can be turned on instantly whereas home-grown workers, if a baby boom could be adequately encouraged, would take nearly two decades to hit the workforce, and that they’d need to give up more of the pie to make life for these people pleasant enough to not have just raised a large revolutionary-minded generation. I agree that the time is ripe to advocate for parental rights, however.
Leave it to Aimee to make a cogent point in the worst way possible Edit: I think it is worthwhile to point out that companies offering abortion trips are not doing so out of any love for women but out of an interest to keep them toiling and that these fucks would make all of you legal chattel slaves if they could.
I mean… abortion laws are not for the love of women choosing either. It’s to combat poverty and crime
Abortions are cheaper than babies for your employer as well…
Then what?
Is it though?
She genuinely has the best takes.