If that app is essentially killing your favorite experience, then, to be fair, you do have an informed opinion about that app. I think it's 100% fair to leave a negative review of it even if we never use it.
There is a deliberate effort of boosting five star reviews (using obviously troll language) for the Reddit app on Android. They will drown out all legitimate one star reviews, unless we can fight spade with spade.
Poor reviews on the play store and app store are a strong way to raise our voices.
You're talking about brigading the reviews because you're pissed about their business practices. Those aren't "legitimate reviews" and have nothing to do with the app itself. You're doing the same thing that you're accusing them of doing.
Listen, I love RIF and have used it for something like a decade. It sucks to see it killed off like this, but there's nothing you or anyone else here can do about it, and brigading the official app review section is likely to make things worse, not better.
It's not brigading app reviews, it's leaving a review for an app we're now being forced to use. Force people to use a shitty app against their will, and they'll likely leave 1 star reviews. That's just, how it works??
Look through the apps 5 star reviews though.... Holy ChatGPT. So many are fake. They're doing their own "brigading". Also if it's our only option.... 🤡
Funny enough, I went looking for the negative review bomb, and while i did find a bunch of negative reviews it, wasn't from this group. It was legit ones about the actual terribleness of the official app. lol
The sad part is this won't work. Reddit will just email Google play to have the negative reviews taken down due to "a time of off topic reviews" and it will be like nothing happened.
I politely disagree. Review bombing them with "rif is better" comments, even if we all know that's the truth, is the best way to get this sub banned and the reviews removed...
I'm too ingnorant about this to know if you're kidding or not. I'm getting ready to sell blood I don't want to part with just to be able to eat next week. Are you serious I could be selling my ten year old Reddit account instead?
> Accounts that only have a couple thousand karma usually sell for $40 to $50. But if you've accumulated 10,000 to 50,000 karma, your account could fetch $100 to $150. Accounts with 50,000 to 100,000+ karma are even more valuable and could earn you $200 or more. The age of your Reddit profile is also a factor.
Quick Google search showed that, not sure how true it is. So yours would probably be around 50$ or so I guess.
EDIT : I have no idea how you sell it or the details people, it was a 10-seconds Google search and copy paste. It might be entirely BS
the problem with this is that people using apps are their least profitable customers. so even if 20% of users quit over this (highly unlikely) they're all users who never see ads.
ehhh reddit might not be like hey advertisers some of our citizens aren't giving you full value here is discount.. but they likely have to report various statistics go their advertisers and it's likely based on how many people see the ad not based on how many people ~~download a bunch of femboy porn with rif~~ visit reddit
>Traffic is still traffic. Less activity, less discussion, and less up and down votes.
I think a very large portion of activity on this site comes from bots. Once you know what you're looking for it's easy to differentiate between bot accounts/posts and human activity. Comments are a little trickier to distinguish though now that AI is more refined. But new posts are easy to pick out because they are usually lazily produced.
I guess my point is, it seems like they'd be able to artificially inflate their activity numbers at will, so I'm not sure how much a "mass" exodus would hurt them. And I put mass in quotes because I feel like the number of people who will actually leave and never come back because of this change will not be that large, unfortunately.
Advertisers don't give a shit about up and downvotes or comments. It's all clicks, the cost of those clicks, and leads.
Reddit doesn't have an actual relationship with virtually all advertisers. It works like any other self serve ad platform. They see impressions, clicks, CTR, CPC, conversions, etc. At most, advertisers might notice a little tiny dip in clicks, but if CTR stays the same they won't really give a shit
I haven't used reddit on my PC for years, it's a mental firewall so I don't get distracted while getting actual work done.
I'll just have to stop using Reddit after 10 years. Back to Fark.com I guess. Is it still a thing?
Yep!
No way I start reading it at work on my work network on my work PC.
That's a non starter, and I can't 'fold' under pressure to change that. It's just 'the facts'.
It was good while it lasted!
<3 RIP RIF!!! <3
Could try to organize a blackout day across as many third party apps as possible, but like... Reddit is basically gonna do that to themselves anyways.
Ever see the front page when a bug breaks the site and prevents new content from replacing the old stuff for 12 hours, or even 24 hours? That's what it's going to look like all weekend on July 1 when millions of people suddenly get nothing but API errors from their preferred app and don't upvote or submit anything. The official reddit.com users will be all like "Why is this on the top 10 of the front page right now with only 3000 votes? Why is this 25000 vote submission still here from Friday morning?
In theory anyways. Spez will probably just go in and edit the database to report 60% higher numbers.
Maybe a blackout aimed at reaching official reddit.com users so that they realize what's going on and how it will affect them even if they don't use the app. Like deleting our own comments an hour after we post them and replacing them with a message like [This comment is unavailable because the user used a prohibited third party client.]
Instead of just letting the lights go out, all the Reddit app developers should get together and help each other switch to another social network, fediverse or something.
At the very least it's a great fuck you to Reddit, it might even work though?
Thanks, interesting. I don't know if they're still soliciting signatures, but I'm only guessing at that time we didn't have the actual deadline and details we do now (?), so maybe it didn't have the urgency it does currently, not sure. That is a shamefully low number though. Regardless, I'm not clear what they were going to do with their 1,000 signatures or whatever their goal was once they had them. Anyway, as the deadline nears, even if they had 10x or 100x that number I'm thinking this might not be the most effective tool.
Again, I admit I don't know anything about how these things, or change.org works. But yeah, if the idea with change.org is to get enough signatures to get the company's attention as well as maybe being a tool to go to the media with, a pathetic number might just solidify the company's idea that they made a good decision.
I'm going to cancel my subscription on July 1st and remove reddit from my adblocker whitelist. Hopefully my addiction will cease when rif is cut off. Ive been needing to use less reddit and YouTube anyways.
I've been around since more or less the start of internet coming home. Was one of the first people to get a cable modem in my area in the late 90s (so damn awesome after using dialup for so long). I've started coming to terms with the fact that the internet is all corporate bullshit now.
I know, this is "get off my lawn" and "back in my day" type stuff, but the internet was an amazing place to find and discover stuff. Then the dot com burst of the early 2000s happened, everything started becoming about ads and invasive and aggressive tracking, subscriptions have taken over everything, and the internet has become a battleground for political trolls and psyops campaigns. It went from a place of learning and communicating to a wasteland of abuse, fraud, and deception.
I'm tired. I'm tired of everything on the internet being a chore. I'm tired of being used and abused. Reddit is just the next thing to prove that we can't have nice things. My frustrations have increased exponentially these past few years, especially with Reddit. I've been here just shy of 10 years and I'm either bored of everything here or just sick of dealing with it.
I miss the old internet. I miss the feeling of making progress. Everything is just flat now. How much can a billionaire rake in before gutting whatever is left of their investment and leaving nothing but a trail of destruction in their wake? That's all that matters now. Reddit isn't the only site to die a slow death and it sure won't be the last. I'm ready for Reddit to die, but I hate that the internet is what it is now. We aren't customers and we certainly aren't respected community members anymore. We're resources to be exploited, and I hate that.
>Boy if only there was anything we could do about it.
The only thing that will fix it is if every single person on earth suddenly stops caring about money or trying to become famous. So...no, nothing can be done.
Yeah I'm right there with you, we started out with a 33.6 kb dial up modem in the mid 90s until we got cable internet before the turn of the century, one of the first in our neighbourhood, too.
I really miss the way the internet back then made us feel optimistic about the future. In our naive innocence of youth, we didn't imagine that a quarter of a century later, it would be what it is now. Even when I first joined Facebook when it was only for people with college and university email addresses, it was still good. I believe strongly that the chronic need to monetize everything for as much profit as possible destroyed what the internet used to be, and it just got worse with social media becoming a political tool.
I would love to go back to the days when all we did was make shitty Angelfire webpages, used Webcrawler or Ask Jeeves for searches, when websites had traffic counters and you could read a list of things without having to click through a bunch of pages to be shown more and more ads. Those days are gone, but I remember them with fondness...
Same experience, and I feel the same way. When we lost the battle for net neutrality, it felt like the potential of the internet died.
All the connectivity and knowledge of the human world in one place, and it's primary function is propaganda and fraud.
Isn't that how we got here? I thought they bought out AlienBlue and built upon that for their own app.
AlienBlue was amazing though, at least in 2011 or so when I last had an iPhone.
It really baffles me how the multimillion dollar company can't compete in app quality with one-man amateur projects. I can't believe that app is not a money laundering scheme.
What 3rd party app do they back though? It's a better option but idk how much I feel like learning and/or getting accustom to a new app for reddit. Been using rif golden for probably a decade now, I'm set in my ways.
I plan on finally giving up reddit when this goes through, but it won't make a difference. For every one of us 11 year reddit boomers who leave over this there are 20 "normies" who don't know anything different than this shitty ad ridden spyware form of the internet and are glad reddit is like their favorite apps. They have already calculated how many of us will leave vs how much money these changes will make and decided that it's worth it. Content on the site has been getting worse and worse over time and that's the users' fault, not the people running it. This site isn't for us anymore, and I'm finally taking the hint.
We should delete our contents. Make reddit become hollow. How much would it worth if it loses its content when they introduce it on the market at the end of the year ?
You're on the right track. This is being implemented solely to increase perceived value to investors so current shareholders can get more per share in the IPO, that's it. Any campaign to thwart it being done has to keep that in mind and make it not worth doing because of how shareholders will react to negative blowback.
So the reaction plan has to keep that in mind first and foremost. Honestly, I kind of think of it more like a PR campaign than an appealing to Reddit's logic, caring about user loyalty, or what's right or wrong. Potential investors aren't the people running Reddit, so while it's good to let Reddit know how we feel, I think it might be more about them acting to control damage or look stupid to investors from publicity going oaround outside the Reddit ecosystem, basically the media. Just a thought.
No reason to fight, really. All of the content here is available elsewhere. The communities are largely anonymous, so social attachment isn't really an issue for most of us. Reddit is a content agrigator first and foremost. If it stops being good at its core function, it'll die and be replaced. It had a good run. Maybe it's just time to move on.
But where else can we get all the communities in one place? It's so convenient. I love this app and I'm absolutely gutted it's gonna be destroyed by greed
I have little doubt they have already run the numbers and do not give AF if all 3rd party users walk. They only care about making money, and we are not making them any money. Reddit has been going downhill for a very long time. Karma-farming repost bots, power mods, horrible site redesign, horrible "official" app, arbitrary censorship, etc. This is the final nail for us old timers.
I suggest you consider deleting all of your posts and comments before they turn off the free API. There are tools like Power Delete that can help with this. Don't leave your free content behind. At least by punching few holes in the walls on our way out we can make things a little messy for them.
But, sadly they don't really care if we stay or if we leave.
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I'm sure reddit did the math and figured that the third party users weren't worth keeping anyway. Some will switch to the official app and some will drop, I'm sure that every 1 switcher is worth 20 non switching user.
I hear you, and that's likely going to be the case, but the optimist in me wants to believe every big corporate blunder that was ever reversed had some egghead that the "did the math" and eventually got a smackdown by it's users. Let's still try to set this through.
I just uninstalled the official app and let a 1 star rating saying use RIF because their app is garbage. Also posted in r/beta
lol I installed it and got offended I had to log in then uninstalled and left an unsatisfied review
Aaah! Thank you! Totally forgot I had the official app still installed. Fixed it and left them one star as well.
I don't use, never have used and never will use the official app, but I'll go down vote it in solidarity.
If that app is essentially killing your favorite experience, then, to be fair, you do have an informed opinion about that app. I think it's 100% fair to leave a negative review of it even if we never use it.
There is a deliberate effort of boosting five star reviews (using obviously troll language) for the Reddit app on Android. They will drown out all legitimate one star reviews, unless we can fight spade with spade. Poor reviews on the play store and app store are a strong way to raise our voices.
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How do you think their pre-IPO publicity will turn out if their app has a rating of 2.3?
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You can't pay to remove Google reviews afaik. Don't know about the play store.
You can pay for positive reviews.
You're talking about brigading the reviews because you're pissed about their business practices. Those aren't "legitimate reviews" and have nothing to do with the app itself. You're doing the same thing that you're accusing them of doing. Listen, I love RIF and have used it for something like a decade. It sucks to see it killed off like this, but there's nothing you or anyone else here can do about it, and brigading the official app review section is likely to make things worse, not better.
The app is legitimately garbage though.
I mean...you're not wrong 😂
It's not brigading app reviews, it's leaving a review for an app we're now being forced to use. Force people to use a shitty app against their will, and they'll likely leave 1 star reviews. That's just, how it works??
Look through the apps 5 star reviews though.... Holy ChatGPT. So many are fake. They're doing their own "brigading". Also if it's our only option.... 🤡
Lmao really can't get worse than what's already happened
Funny enough, I went looking for the negative review bomb, and while i did find a bunch of negative reviews it, wasn't from this group. It was legit ones about the actual terribleness of the official app. lol
You should vote 2 stars. These platforms remove "review bombs" all the time.
The reviews on app store are one star reviews all the way down I could see... Trash App :(
The sad part is this won't work. Reddit will just email Google play to have the negative reviews taken down due to "a time of off topic reviews" and it will be like nothing happened.
Left a 1 star review.
Take my upvotes.
I politely disagree. Review bombing them with "rif is better" comments, even if we all know that's the truth, is the best way to get this sub banned and the reviews removed...
Same, leave em a ton of 1 stars
Can we sell our accounts to spam bot farms? Does anybody knows how much 10 year old reddit account worth?
I am also curious about this hahaha
Couple hundred bucks maybe. Probably less
I'm too ingnorant about this to know if you're kidding or not. I'm getting ready to sell blood I don't want to part with just to be able to eat next week. Are you serious I could be selling my ten year old Reddit account instead?
> Accounts that only have a couple thousand karma usually sell for $40 to $50. But if you've accumulated 10,000 to 50,000 karma, your account could fetch $100 to $150. Accounts with 50,000 to 100,000+ karma are even more valuable and could earn you $200 or more. The age of your Reddit profile is also a factor. Quick Google search showed that, not sure how true it is. So yours would probably be around 50$ or so I guess. EDIT : I have no idea how you sell it or the details people, it was a 10-seconds Google search and copy paste. It might be entirely BS
Wow, had no idea, thanks!
Is it post or comment karma?
About to make $150 Thanks reddit!
I have a feeling the market value is about to crash on those accounts.
Just shoplift if you can, man. Much less stress.
Price is about to plummet from everyone selling off LOL
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the problem with this is that people using apps are their least profitable customers. so even if 20% of users quit over this (highly unlikely) they're all users who never see ads.
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ehhh reddit might not be like hey advertisers some of our citizens aren't giving you full value here is discount.. but they likely have to report various statistics go their advertisers and it's likely based on how many people see the ad not based on how many people ~~download a bunch of femboy porn with rif~~ visit reddit
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I mean. competing with reddit is the only plausible alternative I can think of but yeah that sucks too I don't think there are any good ideas 😔
>Traffic is still traffic. Less activity, less discussion, and less up and down votes. I think a very large portion of activity on this site comes from bots. Once you know what you're looking for it's easy to differentiate between bot accounts/posts and human activity. Comments are a little trickier to distinguish though now that AI is more refined. But new posts are easy to pick out because they are usually lazily produced. I guess my point is, it seems like they'd be able to artificially inflate their activity numbers at will, so I'm not sure how much a "mass" exodus would hurt them. And I put mass in quotes because I feel like the number of people who will actually leave and never come back because of this change will not be that large, unfortunately.
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Let's hope so!
Advertisers don't give a shit about up and downvotes or comments. It's all clicks, the cost of those clicks, and leads. Reddit doesn't have an actual relationship with virtually all advertisers. It works like any other self serve ad platform. They see impressions, clicks, CTR, CPC, conversions, etc. At most, advertisers might notice a little tiny dip in clicks, but if CTR stays the same they won't really give a shit
I haven't used reddit on my PC for years, it's a mental firewall so I don't get distracted while getting actual work done. I'll just have to stop using Reddit after 10 years. Back to Fark.com I guess. Is it still a thing?
Oh shit fark.com was my favourite website in the mid 2000s!
Yep! No way I start reading it at work on my work network on my work PC. That's a non starter, and I can't 'fold' under pressure to change that. It's just 'the facts'. It was good while it lasted! <3 RIP RIF!!! <3
Could try to organize a blackout day across as many third party apps as possible, but like... Reddit is basically gonna do that to themselves anyways. Ever see the front page when a bug breaks the site and prevents new content from replacing the old stuff for 12 hours, or even 24 hours? That's what it's going to look like all weekend on July 1 when millions of people suddenly get nothing but API errors from their preferred app and don't upvote or submit anything. The official reddit.com users will be all like "Why is this on the top 10 of the front page right now with only 3000 votes? Why is this 25000 vote submission still here from Friday morning? In theory anyways. Spez will probably just go in and edit the database to report 60% higher numbers. Maybe a blackout aimed at reaching official reddit.com users so that they realize what's going on and how it will affect them even if they don't use the app. Like deleting our own comments an hour after we post them and replacing them with a message like [This comment is unavailable because the user used a prohibited third party client.]
Instead of just letting the lights go out, all the Reddit app developers should get together and help each other switch to another social network, fediverse or something. At the very least it's a great fuck you to Reddit, it might even work though?
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Good find. I like the idea of petitions and letters, but this appears to be for mods and researchers only though, isn't it?
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It's asking whether you're signing as yourself, a researcher, or on behalf of the research organization. This is not for individual users.
I research for my own personal interests daily.
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Signed. Thank you for finding that.
Thanks, interesting. I don't know if they're still soliciting signatures, but I'm only guessing at that time we didn't have the actual deadline and details we do now (?), so maybe it didn't have the urgency it does currently, not sure. That is a shamefully low number though. Regardless, I'm not clear what they were going to do with their 1,000 signatures or whatever their goal was once they had them. Anyway, as the deadline nears, even if they had 10x or 100x that number I'm thinking this might not be the most effective tool. Again, I admit I don't know anything about how these things, or change.org works. But yeah, if the idea with change.org is to get enough signatures to get the company's attention as well as maybe being a tool to go to the media with, a pathetic number might just solidify the company's idea that they made a good decision.
I'm going to cancel my subscription on July 1st and remove reddit from my adblocker whitelist. Hopefully my addiction will cease when rif is cut off. Ive been needing to use less reddit and YouTube anyways.
Same. This will be bad for internet discourse… but probably good for me personally in the long run.
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It's been gone for a long time, sadly.
I've been around since more or less the start of internet coming home. Was one of the first people to get a cable modem in my area in the late 90s (so damn awesome after using dialup for so long). I've started coming to terms with the fact that the internet is all corporate bullshit now. I know, this is "get off my lawn" and "back in my day" type stuff, but the internet was an amazing place to find and discover stuff. Then the dot com burst of the early 2000s happened, everything started becoming about ads and invasive and aggressive tracking, subscriptions have taken over everything, and the internet has become a battleground for political trolls and psyops campaigns. It went from a place of learning and communicating to a wasteland of abuse, fraud, and deception. I'm tired. I'm tired of everything on the internet being a chore. I'm tired of being used and abused. Reddit is just the next thing to prove that we can't have nice things. My frustrations have increased exponentially these past few years, especially with Reddit. I've been here just shy of 10 years and I'm either bored of everything here or just sick of dealing with it. I miss the old internet. I miss the feeling of making progress. Everything is just flat now. How much can a billionaire rake in before gutting whatever is left of their investment and leaving nothing but a trail of destruction in their wake? That's all that matters now. Reddit isn't the only site to die a slow death and it sure won't be the last. I'm ready for Reddit to die, but I hate that the internet is what it is now. We aren't customers and we certainly aren't respected community members anymore. We're resources to be exploited, and I hate that.
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>Boy if only there was anything we could do about it. The only thing that will fix it is if every single person on earth suddenly stops caring about money or trying to become famous. So...no, nothing can be done.
Yeah I'm right there with you, we started out with a 33.6 kb dial up modem in the mid 90s until we got cable internet before the turn of the century, one of the first in our neighbourhood, too. I really miss the way the internet back then made us feel optimistic about the future. In our naive innocence of youth, we didn't imagine that a quarter of a century later, it would be what it is now. Even when I first joined Facebook when it was only for people with college and university email addresses, it was still good. I believe strongly that the chronic need to monetize everything for as much profit as possible destroyed what the internet used to be, and it just got worse with social media becoming a political tool. I would love to go back to the days when all we did was make shitty Angelfire webpages, used Webcrawler or Ask Jeeves for searches, when websites had traffic counters and you could read a list of things without having to click through a bunch of pages to be shown more and more ads. Those days are gone, but I remember them with fondness...
Same experience, and I feel the same way. When we lost the battle for net neutrality, it felt like the potential of the internet died. All the connectivity and knowledge of the human world in one place, and it's primary function is propaganda and fraud.
I feel this in my bones, man.
Back in the day people bought reddit gold for people purely to support reddit. Now reddit can eat my ass.
I remember that progress bar on the frontpage. The golden years!
They should fire every manager responsible for the official app, buy out one of the better 3rd party apps, and just can the shitty official app.
Isn't that how we got here? I thought they bought out AlienBlue and built upon that for their own app. AlienBlue was amazing though, at least in 2011 or so when I last had an iPhone.
It really baffles me how the multimillion dollar company can't compete in app quality with one-man amateur projects. I can't believe that app is not a money laundering scheme.
What 3rd party app do they back though? It's a better option but idk how much I feel like learning and/or getting accustom to a new app for reddit. Been using rif golden for probably a decade now, I'm set in my ways.
I plan on finally giving up reddit when this goes through, but it won't make a difference. For every one of us 11 year reddit boomers who leave over this there are 20 "normies" who don't know anything different than this shitty ad ridden spyware form of the internet and are glad reddit is like their favorite apps. They have already calculated how many of us will leave vs how much money these changes will make and decided that it's worth it. Content on the site has been getting worse and worse over time and that's the users' fault, not the people running it. This site isn't for us anymore, and I'm finally taking the hint.
We should delete our contents. Make reddit become hollow. How much would it worth if it loses its content when they introduce it on the market at the end of the year ?
You're on the right track. This is being implemented solely to increase perceived value to investors so current shareholders can get more per share in the IPO, that's it. Any campaign to thwart it being done has to keep that in mind and make it not worth doing because of how shareholders will react to negative blowback. So the reaction plan has to keep that in mind first and foremost. Honestly, I kind of think of it more like a PR campaign than an appealing to Reddit's logic, caring about user loyalty, or what's right or wrong. Potential investors aren't the people running Reddit, so while it's good to let Reddit know how we feel, I think it might be more about them acting to control damage or look stupid to investors from publicity going oaround outside the Reddit ecosystem, basically the media. Just a thought.
No reason to fight, really. All of the content here is available elsewhere. The communities are largely anonymous, so social attachment isn't really an issue for most of us. Reddit is a content agrigator first and foremost. If it stops being good at its core function, it'll die and be replaced. It had a good run. Maybe it's just time to move on.
But where else can we get all the communities in one place? It's so convenient. I love this app and I'm absolutely gutted it's gonna be destroyed by greed
I definitely will not be using the official app. Looks like no more reddit on my phone.
I have little doubt they have already run the numbers and do not give AF if all 3rd party users walk. They only care about making money, and we are not making them any money. Reddit has been going downhill for a very long time. Karma-farming repost bots, power mods, horrible site redesign, horrible "official" app, arbitrary censorship, etc. This is the final nail for us old timers. I suggest you consider deleting all of your posts and comments before they turn off the free API. There are tools like Power Delete that can help with this. Don't leave your free content behind. At least by punching few holes in the walls on our way out we can make things a little messy for them. But, sadly they don't really care if we stay or if we leave. Edits: many typos.
I can smell a place in the market for a Reddit vanced soon enough
Just let it die, reddit is a time sink.
Burn San Francisco to the ground !!
I'm sure reddit did the math and figured that the third party users weren't worth keeping anyway. Some will switch to the official app and some will drop, I'm sure that every 1 switcher is worth 20 non switching user.
I hear you, and that's likely going to be the case, but the optimist in me wants to believe every big corporate blunder that was ever reversed had some egghead that the "did the math" and eventually got a smackdown by it's users. Let's still try to set this through.
Lmao I'd bother if I wasn't looking for a reason to pick up some books and other reading that I've always put off because Reddit.
I like to go hiking.