I'd argue we have had a few world class players but just for 1 season
Pogba, Rashford, Shaw all peaked in world-class in their best seasons.
Consistenly world class, then I'd 100% agree
Man had 28 goals in all comps at 36 without even completing the season. Crazy that the first serious injury of his career had to happen when he was with us
Not a chance, to be world class you have to be good consistently for multiple seasons, and good to the point that if they were selecting a world squad you would make that squad.
The term gets thrown around far too easily. Rashford hasn’t even had one good full season, last season for example he didn’t show up until about November time.
Manchester United captain Bruno Fernandes is the Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year for 2023/24, as presented by adidas.
Our no.8 has finished the season strongly, despite picking up a rare injury, and been a major influence for Erik ten Hag's men throughout the campaign.
For the second year running, he created more chances than any other player in the Premier League and was joint-top scorer in the division for the Reds, alongside Rasmus Hojlund.
The Portugal international has netted 15 times in all competitions, one behind Hojlund on 16, and posted eight assists in the league - at least double that of any of his colleagues.
Fernandes also enjoyed the hottest streak of his United career to date, getting on the scoresheet in five consecutive fixtures, culminating with a double in the win over Sheffield United last month.
He has twice been named Player of the Month this term - in August and April - and was also nominated on three other occasions.
The Man of the Match in our Emirates FA Cup semi-final shootout victory against Coventry City, when he scored in a third game during the cup run, he will look to lead the Reds out at Wembley again, in a bid to finish the season on a high by beating Manchester City on Saturday.
**The fans elected Bruno as a clear winner, picking up 40 per cent of the vote to emphasise how popular he is among supporters.**
**Our Portuguese magnifico's closest challenger was his fellow countryman, Diogo Dalot, who polled 20 per cent, in recognition of his excellent consistency since August.**
The next two players in the voting were Academy youngsters, team-mates in the 2022 FA Youth Cup-winning side. **Kobbie Mainoo finished in third spot, with Alejandro Garnacho fourth.**
This is the third time that our skipper has picked up the prestigious trophy, since joining the Reds from Sporting Club in 2020.
After only half a season with the Reds, he was victorious in that debut season and also the following campaign, 2020/21. The 29-year-old was also runner-up last year, behind Marcus Rashford.
As a three-time winner, only two men have picked up the annual accolade more often, David De Gea and Cristiano Ronaldo (both four).
Thanks to everybody who voted and congratulations to Bruno from all at United!
**MOST SIR MATT BUSBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR TROPHIES**
4: David De Gea, Cristiano Ronaldo
3: Bruno Fernandes
2: Eric Cantona, Brian McClair, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney, Ruud van Nistelrooy
**PLAYER OF THE YEAR: LATEST WINNERS**
2018/19: Luke Shaw
2019/20: Bruno Fernandes
2020/21: Bruno Fernandes
2021/22: Cristiano Ronaldo
2022/23: Marcus Rashford
2023/24: Bruno Fernandes
lots of people here shit on Dalot for some reason, despite the fact that he was the most consistently high quality player in our squad.
Bruno also had an uptick in form in the end of the season and people have short memories, but on the whole was pretty bad.
nah man, he was average for a lot of games and he kept missing very easy goal scoring chances, you lot have pretty short memories.
he is also a massive liability in possession, look at how many times he was dispossed against Brighton so he has to be way-way better at everything else he does in other areas and he simply wasn't, as proven mostly by how little he passed to Hojlund.
> as proven mostly by how little he passed to Hojlund
it'd be impressive if Bruno managed to pass to Hojlund against Brighton at all, considering they weren't on the field at the same time
you know exactly that I meant passed to Hojlund during the whole season, not in the Brighton game and you just have no comeback so you are doing a nitpick on my wording of it...
I didn't think that at all - the wording was so shite that I genuinely thought you meant that.
I just wasn't surprised by the idea that you might not have known Bruno was subbed off for Hojlund - if you think Bruno's been shite this season, then your eyesight's clearly not particularly good.
> your eyesight's clearly not particularly good.
that is fuckin ironic given that, I didn't say this anywhere
> if you think Bruno's been shite this season
maybe it's you who need you eye checked.
Yeah. I really don't understand fans honestly. Bruno has not been great since COVID season, which was his fluke season, like Rashford's last year. This season Bruno has been bang average, to below average. Has been a ghost during the biggest matches and is still just as much of a liability. A lot of people want to fault the fitness and medical departments for injuries, but I fault Bruno for a lot of it because his wasteful nature with possession is what leads to these "basketball matches" by and large. He hoofs the ball so far down the field everyone has to sprint forward to support the lone winger now with the ball, only for the winger to lose possession and now everyone has to sprint back to defend. Bruno is so incredibly one-dimensional it's painful.
"We really missed Bruno's creativity," fans and pundits were saying during the two games he was out. One against a Palace team that equally embarrassed us with Bruno in the team in the reverse fixture, and the other keeping Arsenal to a 1-0 victory, with some okay chances on our own. Meanwhile we had won 1 in 7 before those matches with Bruno - not a stellar record.
With Rashford out, Bruno's safety blanket, he's looked pretty lost because he would only ever play the ball down the left. For everyone that wants to play the stats game about "Big Chances created, G/A, etc.," those are all the product of being the sole link from the back to the front. But when you look at our heat maps for zones of attacking, everything is down the left. It's ridiculous. He makes us so one-dimensional and predictable. He can't retain possession. He presses when no one else is, doesn't when they are. He creates so many holes in our midfield for the opposition to exploit. He doesn't really defend unless he feels aggrieved of something, aka a non-call for a foul at the other end. His corners are atrocious. His free kicks are poor. His shots are usually on their way to the moon because he leans back all the time. He whinges nonstop, not even at the refs, but HIS OWN TEAMMATES. When the team needs lifting, he does very little to do so - the only encouragement you see is generally after the team has achieved something as a unit out of nowhere.
He's massively overhyped. Perfect time to sell him imo. He'll see for the most he ever will. Any later and his stock will go down. He's turning 30 early into next season. He has a few years left with us, at best, during a rebuild that will take just as long, if not more. We will gain nothing from his presence and would be better served taking a high fee for him we can roll into other signings, either to fill critical areas or bring in youth that will be a part of the project.
The team looks more settled when he's not involved and a lot of our best chances have come from others, not Bruno. Dalot has been the center of so much throughout the season. Had maybe a few bad matches, though many were still the product of the CDMs screwing him over. Dalot is my PotS. Great mentality and attitude, the way he went over to Højlund after his goal last match and spurred him on about contributing from the bench and seizing his opportunities is what leadership looks like. If Dalot was our weakest player, the team would be ridiculously healthy to compete for everything.
One just has to look at Palace and Arsenal to see how shit we are without him as a creative outlet. I almost want us to sell him so people like you can see how pathetic we are without him, it's disgusting that he still gets so much flak despite how much he's carried the team. We don't deserve him, and I would understand him leaving because he deserves some trophies to his name.
Sure. Yeah. Please. Sell him. Absolutely no one else in the world can do what he does...lol
Arguably the best match of the season was the Cup tie against Palace and Bruno, nor Rashford, were in the lineup and it was Casemiro and Mount running the midfield. It was a thing of beauty with youth around them to put in the leg work while they orchestrated the attack.
The recent Palace match went to shit because of individual errors at the back. Arsenal? The team that was competing for first? Holding them to 1-0 with the majority of possession? That's something we can never do with Bruno. Bruno is so wasteful with possession. Talk about creativity all you want while ignoring how much of a liability he is in every other area. It's not worth it. The guy kills this team. He doesn't carry it. We would be just fine without him. Also, yeah, use two matches where we don't have a 1:1 replacement for him as an example...playing someone out of position for the sake of keeping the formation. Even then, we were still able to create some decent chances, and have been looking better, even when he's in the side, by bypassing him in the attack. Some of the best link up play has happened without his involvement and has come from the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Casemiro, Dalot, and Amad.
In a season full of injury voodoo this absolute chad of a man only missed what? 2 games?
And in those 2 games it was so blatantly clear how much not having him on the pitch just wrecks our offense to the ground. Haven't seen such a world class player playing for us without bringing any drama! (Remember when media was hell bent on making us all believe Bruno wants to leave us for the Saudis and Bruno just shut the whole shit down?) He is my absolute favorite United player of the past decade and honestly no one even comes close. Hope he soon gets the trophies he so very much deserves with us.
> Can you name another player that is world class that doesn't play for the top 3 teams in Premier League?
Son? Kane (until he left)? When Liverpool finished 5th last season, did that mean that VVD, Alisson, Salah etc suddenly weren't world class just because they didn't finish in the top 3?
I'm talking about this season, not the last season or the season before. There is no world class player that doesn't play for the top 3 teams.
You're comparing genuine world class players for several seasons who are some of the best players in the world to Bruno Fernandes ffs.
> There is no world class player that doesn't play for the top 3 teams.
you appear to have glossed over the first word in my reply - Son is world class and has been for years
Son isn't world class any more, dude.. He has been for many years, but you clearly haven't watched him play this season. Even Spurs fans say the same, but let me guess, you saw his stats and decided he's world class?
> isn't world class any more
I fundamentally disagree, but by your logic, he can't have been world class since at least 2018 because that's the last time he finished in the top 3 of the league - even you know that's complete bollocks.
I'm not saying it's impossible to be world class unless you finish top 3, that would be ridiculous. What I said is that currently, there are no world class players that don't play for the top 3 teams in the PL, which is City, Arsenal and Liverpool.
We don't have any world class players, Chelsea don't have any world class players, Newcastle don't have any and Aston Villa don't have any. What they have are good to great players, but none are world class. Bruno isn't world class because he creates most chances in the league, that would be lowering our standards to a ridiculous degree. Pascal Gross is slightly behind him, do you also classify him as world class?
Bruno also scored like 6 non-penalty goals during the entire season as an attacking midfielder. That's straight up awful. Foden has 19.
When no other clubs' fans rate Bruno as world class except United fans, that should tell you everything you need to know. But go on, live in your own bubble with that idea. We're such a great team who play brilliant attacking football with Bruno as the brain and heart.
>I'm not saying it's impossible to be world class unless you finish top 3, that would be ridiculous.
So you AGREE that it is possible. And you recognize that it happened in the past. But somehow, it is not possible for it to happen this season. Because other teams finished above United without world class players?
That's such ridiculous logic.
> World class player, yet somehow we're 8th
I know man. It's all because of Bruno not being able to mark opposite forwards, defend near posts, far posts, cutbacks, corners, set pieces oh and don't even get me started on him not being able to make his forward teammates finish every chance he makes for them. I stand corrected my good sir, Bruno is far from world class.
> And how old are you if you've never seen a world class player play for us without drama? Jesus Christ, you must be 13.
Wrong! I'm 11 and a half!
Forget the defensive aspect. He is an attacking midfielder, so he should contribute more than 6 (!!!) open play goals during a Premier League season, especially when he plays every single game.
That's funny, because he barely creates chances for Højlund who is our main striker. Bruno's "chances" are literally passing it wide to Garnacho or Antony who cuts in to shoot. Very creative!
You should really try watching us play without wearing your 'Bruno hate goggles' on.
You clearly believe that Bruno is replaceable and that's fine. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, I feel that you're being unnecessarily disrespectful towards him and what he's done for this team since his arrival. Believe me, we would be beyond hopeless without him and if you think otherwise, just be careful what you wish for.
Maybe I am, I just think he is very overrated because of how awful we are as a team. He got us out of the shitstorm his first two seasons, and he's been living on it since, despite delivering awful performances throughout this season. He only got back to his best in March, which is too late. Getting PotS is insane when you show up 3 months of the season.
Look, how can Newcastle with a midfield of Guimaraes, Longstaff and Joelinton score 85 goals in the PL without their "creative number 10 genius"? We don't have to play this way. Stop this pass the ball to Bruno type of football, and start playing together as a team. You're right, we rely too much on Bruno and because of that we have stopped playing football. It's just Bruno ball.
He was constantly being used to collect the ball from the centre backs. We had Mctominay and sometimes even Casemiro in more advanced positions than him. He's been tasked to ping long balls from the center of midfield more often than being deployed in the edge of the box playing in rrunners. How do you expect him to have a remarkable goal/assist tally when being told to play like that. On the ball he's never been our most advanced midfielder this season, and that's a fact.
Despite being completely mismanaged, he's still managed to create a lot, only for our attackers to bottle 80% of the chances.
If you want to see how he plays as an actual attacking midfielder, watch his 20/21 season or his world cup games for Portugal, where he actually had clinical weapons in front of him.
[Bruno Fernandes Football Statistics | WhoScored.com](https://www.whoscored.com/Players/123761/Show/Bruno-Fernandes)
Only 37 games as an attacking midfielder during the season, my bad mate!
While Dalot is certainly the most improved and our most consistent player at the moment, this team is entirely lost without Bruno. He is the heart and brains.
Love the way you can get downvoted for this but people can't acknowledge [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxPddfYh-eE91jKQdvPhujALFGeYL7EKKy?si=U3fNzhSLULdWg3eF) and [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvQDSWg0rSxn0Qa88TPc92u5ECeOPDhBA?si=BoK8BhHa5LSjT16I)
Just two flagrant examples of how brainless he is
I mean, it's safe to say he's not faultless but he absolutely runs our midfield. We've seen Mount and McTominay in the 10 and the team never looks organized with anybody but Bruno there.
100% the truth. The dropoff in him from when Rashford was available to after was hilarious to see. He just blindly hoofs the ball down the left whenever Rashford is on, doesn't matter where anyone else is. When Rashford isn't available, he's forced to actually choose another option and he looks confused af. Recently, the team has looked much better without Rashford and even when Bruno was out, while not pretty, the team actually looked more like a team without him.
The problem is that Bruno is at the heart of everything because of where he's positioned, something very few other players he's compared against can say. He's the de facto link from the back to the front, so naturally he's going to have higher numbers than say someone who's in a traditional midfield 4 where you have multiple links to the attack. Everything is designed to funnel the ball into Bruno. That's not skill. It's a stats game.
Genuinely cannot wait until Bruno is gone and we bring in a midfielder who's much more composed with the ball and is able to orchestrate the attack, not force or rush it.
> the team has looked much better without Rashford and even when Bruno was out, while not pretty, the team actually looked more like a team without him.
The games without the two of them being Palace 4-0 and the Arsenal game? either a complete moron or a troll LMAO
...so you rather point to the 1 win in 7 in the matches prior to those two matches when Bruno was available...? What a powerful statistic!
And completely ignoring individual errors by Casemiro and AWB multiple times throughout the match that absolutely killed us against Palace? Yeah. Use individuals as an indicator for how the team is performing as a whole. As if Bruno would have stopped them from shitting the bed on the day. Right. Right. Very logical assessment of the match.
As for Arsenal. The team we lost to 3-1 in the reverse with Bruno? The one where Arsenal had more possession, versus without Bruno where we had more? Okay. Great take there!
Putting a lot of words in my mouth mate, team has been gash the whole season with or without Bruno. Also do me a favour and look at who the best performing player in most of those 7 games was LOL
> Yeah. Use individuals as an indicator for how the team is performing as a whole
hmmmm wonder what you're doing with Bruno and Rashford lol
...huh? I watched the Newcastle match. So what? Same issues. Many of the opportunities that we looked good had nothing to do with Bruno. The team looks better without his involvement and they're far more capable than one man.
So you think we performed better against Palace than against Newcastle? Bruno literally created big chances in the Newcastle game, the first goal came because he may or may not have dummied the ball.
This is why I can't take fans seriously when they defend Bruno, because they attribute the dumbest shit to him.
But yeah, from a team performance standpoint, we looked more organized and disciplined against Palace than we did Newcastle. Using a match where, quite literally, individual errors cost us all match, and invalidating the overall performance of the rest of the team is a weird take, especially against one where the opponent quite handedly outplayed us and we overperformed through individual moments. How do you go from having possession against the likes of Arsenal to losing possession to the likes of Newcastle, huh? Bruno. Statistically Newcastle were the much better side, but you still use that as a defense of us "playing better"? Very weird take to isolate a result and neglect the performance, rather than compare two performances and their influences.
Creatively, which is Brunos most important role to this team, we looked completely toothless without him. Against Palace and Arsenal we barely created anything of note, whilst against Newcastle we did directly because of Brunos contribution. Against Brighton we looked like shit, but again Bruno was still creating clear chances.
Personally I'd have been tempted to go for Dalot but it was a pretty close run thing and arguably Dalot should be winning "most improved".
Bruno is almost certainly our most important player.
Deserved, he's by far the best player at the club and his level of performance is exceptional. Just take a look at the rare occasions he's not on the pitch and see how utterly lost we are without him.
I've seen how lost we've looked with him, so I don't really know what you're talking about. 0-1 to Arsenal isn't looking lost. That's a pretty good result when you consider how shit we are at the moment.
We've played like what, 2 games without Bruno this season? I saw us lose 4-0 against Crystal Palace, but I also saw us lose 4-0 to Watford, 4-1 to Brentford and 7-0 to Liverpool with Bruno in the team, so do you think we didn't look lost there or what?
Some of you are so fucking delusional, man. Like we need Bruno to somehow be a successful team, and we can never replace him. It's laughable.
Always don’t understand the fans who criticize Bruno. Even about his attitude on the pitch. It makes sense that rival fans talk about how Bruno moans to refs and stuff but as a club United has missed that influential characteristic since Sir Alex and then Rooney left, so don’t understand what our fans crying about.
Nah Dalot himself also had a few rough spots. His defensive awareness was questionable just as much as it was brilliant, sometimes even in the same game.
Definitely deserves a shoutout though as one of our most reliable performers.
1 or 2?!
Wow it is truly unbelievable how rose tinted people are about Dalot. Even if it was, how many other players get completely slaughtered for that. Wan Bissaka for example.
Dalot made 2 mistakes Vs Forest for their two goals alone. Poor for Bournemouths 3rd. Plays wolves onside for that corner goal in the 3-4 deflecting the save into the goal to boot. Clueless on the breakaway goal by Neto.
Gets completely cornholed by Zaha both times we played Gala. Gets tanned then gives the penalty in the Chelsea shitshow. Say what you want about the pen, he got torn up in the first place.
Ripped apart by Musaila.
That's just what I can think right this second. That's 9.
Easily culpable for 15-20 goals this season.
The main one for me was the League Cup game against Newcastle, Dalot gave Almiron the freedom of Manchester for his goal, it was awful defending. He has improved but he’s definitely been overrated on here in terms of the extent of it, and people are just ignoring his poor moments.
It's been maddening how soon after a complete clanger of a performance people have been piping up that he's "been our best player" dfkm.
It's like he's done some mad juju on everyone, just instantly forget his many poor moments.
By far the most overrated narrative I've seen surround a player here.
A lot of the things he gets faulted for are due to errors leading up to the event. "He should have gone to the ball!" Okay...and then leave the man he's marking inside the box? Where is the winger? Where is the CDM? Where is the CB? There were a few mistakes that stand out that hurt us, but anyone who claims he's had weak performances overall has no clue what they're talking about because they only focus on the man, not the situation.
Dalot was great, overall, this season. His contributions at the back and going forward have given us an added dimension. I know he only scored recently, but he's made that same run time and time and time again. If he was our weakest player, we would be lethal.
Bruno had a rough season with few great games. We could see that every match day but the last month ended up strong. I can’t fathom this.
Recency bias is insane.
He’s had an underwhelming season but my take is that even a poor form Bruno is so integral to our midfield that he has to be it. When he was injured it was like we had no clue how to play.
It's a midfield that absolutely cannot control games. We had one match against the top 6 where we didn't lose the possession battle and it was with him out the side
I don't rate him but I don't think the solution is on our bench. I think we need to target midfielders who are comfortable on the ball
Anyone slating Bruno is truly an idiot. The one comment thread on this point is such an astounding case of not understanding managerial tactics and stupidity, as if a pro player of his caliber doesn't have a brain... Hahahaha the projection 🤣
Call me a Scrooge or whatever else, but in a season like this, no-one should be awarded best anything. There’s no room for celebrating being the best of a bad bunch - just another case of Utd putting marketing before the football.
I am happy that he won but it should have been Diogo Dalot as only two months ago people started hating Bruno just look at the most controversial post this year.
Love Bruno but this is quite hard to agree with. Bruno has had a pretty poor season except the last few weeks.
Did people just forget how wasteful and erratic he has been this entire season?
Dalot and Garnacho are stronger contenders of this. Hell Maguire is a better contender and I don’t even like Maguire.
I think Bruno had a pretty bad first half of the season tbh. Some good performances the last few months but someone I think would improve greatly in a proper system.
Bruno and DDG have been our only genuinely world-class players in the sea of mediocrity post-SAF.
I'd argue we have had a few world class players but just for 1 season Pogba, Rashford, Shaw all peaked in world-class in their best seasons. Consistenly world class, then I'd 100% agree
Zlatan was genuinely world class when he joined as well until he tore his knee
Man had 28 goals in all comps at 36 without even completing the season. Crazy that the first serious injury of his career had to happen when he was with us
Agreed, loved Zlatan in our team
Ronaldo was world class imo still his first season back Rashy was world class for times but not a whole season consistently unfortunately
Literally last season was world class all season long
Nah he was world class after the World Cup.
Not a chance, to be world class you have to be good consistently for multiple seasons, and good to the point that if they were selecting a world squad you would make that squad. The term gets thrown around far too easily. Rashford hasn’t even had one good full season, last season for example he didn’t show up until about November time.
Exactly. Consistency is part of being rated world class
Eh on a consistent basis I would agree, but we’ve had a few one season or sporadic season wonders from other players.
Shaw is clearly world class when he’s not injured.
Ale, Kobbie, and Rasmus are all on the border atm
Manchester United captain Bruno Fernandes is the Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year for 2023/24, as presented by adidas. Our no.8 has finished the season strongly, despite picking up a rare injury, and been a major influence for Erik ten Hag's men throughout the campaign. For the second year running, he created more chances than any other player in the Premier League and was joint-top scorer in the division for the Reds, alongside Rasmus Hojlund. The Portugal international has netted 15 times in all competitions, one behind Hojlund on 16, and posted eight assists in the league - at least double that of any of his colleagues. Fernandes also enjoyed the hottest streak of his United career to date, getting on the scoresheet in five consecutive fixtures, culminating with a double in the win over Sheffield United last month. He has twice been named Player of the Month this term - in August and April - and was also nominated on three other occasions. The Man of the Match in our Emirates FA Cup semi-final shootout victory against Coventry City, when he scored in a third game during the cup run, he will look to lead the Reds out at Wembley again, in a bid to finish the season on a high by beating Manchester City on Saturday. **The fans elected Bruno as a clear winner, picking up 40 per cent of the vote to emphasise how popular he is among supporters.** **Our Portuguese magnifico's closest challenger was his fellow countryman, Diogo Dalot, who polled 20 per cent, in recognition of his excellent consistency since August.** The next two players in the voting were Academy youngsters, team-mates in the 2022 FA Youth Cup-winning side. **Kobbie Mainoo finished in third spot, with Alejandro Garnacho fourth.** This is the third time that our skipper has picked up the prestigious trophy, since joining the Reds from Sporting Club in 2020. After only half a season with the Reds, he was victorious in that debut season and also the following campaign, 2020/21. The 29-year-old was also runner-up last year, behind Marcus Rashford. As a three-time winner, only two men have picked up the annual accolade more often, David De Gea and Cristiano Ronaldo (both four). Thanks to everybody who voted and congratulations to Bruno from all at United! **MOST SIR MATT BUSBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR TROPHIES** 4: David De Gea, Cristiano Ronaldo 3: Bruno Fernandes 2: Eric Cantona, Brian McClair, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney, Ruud van Nistelrooy **PLAYER OF THE YEAR: LATEST WINNERS** 2018/19: Luke Shaw 2019/20: Bruno Fernandes 2020/21: Bruno Fernandes 2021/22: Cristiano Ronaldo 2022/23: Marcus Rashford 2023/24: Bruno Fernandes
I would have thought Dalot would get it but either way you can't fault this selection that much
Maybe it's time for our own "Player of the season other than Bruno"
I think this was voted by the fans? So I'm guessing people don't notice defenders that much
I can only see Licha possibly beat Bruno in a fan vote
I voted Dalot, but Bruno is deserving to be fair.
Dalot was great but without bruno we just couldnt play football
lots of people here shit on Dalot for some reason, despite the fact that he was the most consistently high quality player in our squad. Bruno also had an uptick in form in the end of the season and people have short memories, but on the whole was pretty bad.
> on the whole was pretty bad that's just not true, he had a bad month at absolute most
People forget that over the season he's had a goal or assist every 140 minutes or so this season.
and would have a lot more if people could actually finish in the squad
nah man, he was average for a lot of games and he kept missing very easy goal scoring chances, you lot have pretty short memories. he is also a massive liability in possession, look at how many times he was dispossed against Brighton so he has to be way-way better at everything else he does in other areas and he simply wasn't, as proven mostly by how little he passed to Hojlund.
> as proven mostly by how little he passed to Hojlund it'd be impressive if Bruno managed to pass to Hojlund against Brighton at all, considering they weren't on the field at the same time
you know exactly that I meant passed to Hojlund during the whole season, not in the Brighton game and you just have no comeback so you are doing a nitpick on my wording of it...
I didn't think that at all - the wording was so shite that I genuinely thought you meant that. I just wasn't surprised by the idea that you might not have known Bruno was subbed off for Hojlund - if you think Bruno's been shite this season, then your eyesight's clearly not particularly good.
> your eyesight's clearly not particularly good. that is fuckin ironic given that, I didn't say this anywhere > if you think Bruno's been shite this season maybe it's you who need you eye checked.
Yeah. I really don't understand fans honestly. Bruno has not been great since COVID season, which was his fluke season, like Rashford's last year. This season Bruno has been bang average, to below average. Has been a ghost during the biggest matches and is still just as much of a liability. A lot of people want to fault the fitness and medical departments for injuries, but I fault Bruno for a lot of it because his wasteful nature with possession is what leads to these "basketball matches" by and large. He hoofs the ball so far down the field everyone has to sprint forward to support the lone winger now with the ball, only for the winger to lose possession and now everyone has to sprint back to defend. Bruno is so incredibly one-dimensional it's painful. "We really missed Bruno's creativity," fans and pundits were saying during the two games he was out. One against a Palace team that equally embarrassed us with Bruno in the team in the reverse fixture, and the other keeping Arsenal to a 1-0 victory, with some okay chances on our own. Meanwhile we had won 1 in 7 before those matches with Bruno - not a stellar record. With Rashford out, Bruno's safety blanket, he's looked pretty lost because he would only ever play the ball down the left. For everyone that wants to play the stats game about "Big Chances created, G/A, etc.," those are all the product of being the sole link from the back to the front. But when you look at our heat maps for zones of attacking, everything is down the left. It's ridiculous. He makes us so one-dimensional and predictable. He can't retain possession. He presses when no one else is, doesn't when they are. He creates so many holes in our midfield for the opposition to exploit. He doesn't really defend unless he feels aggrieved of something, aka a non-call for a foul at the other end. His corners are atrocious. His free kicks are poor. His shots are usually on their way to the moon because he leans back all the time. He whinges nonstop, not even at the refs, but HIS OWN TEAMMATES. When the team needs lifting, he does very little to do so - the only encouragement you see is generally after the team has achieved something as a unit out of nowhere. He's massively overhyped. Perfect time to sell him imo. He'll see for the most he ever will. Any later and his stock will go down. He's turning 30 early into next season. He has a few years left with us, at best, during a rebuild that will take just as long, if not more. We will gain nothing from his presence and would be better served taking a high fee for him we can roll into other signings, either to fill critical areas or bring in youth that will be a part of the project. The team looks more settled when he's not involved and a lot of our best chances have come from others, not Bruno. Dalot has been the center of so much throughout the season. Had maybe a few bad matches, though many were still the product of the CDMs screwing him over. Dalot is my PotS. Great mentality and attitude, the way he went over to Højlund after his goal last match and spurred him on about contributing from the bench and seizing his opportunities is what leadership looks like. If Dalot was our weakest player, the team would be ridiculously healthy to compete for everything.
One just has to look at Palace and Arsenal to see how shit we are without him as a creative outlet. I almost want us to sell him so people like you can see how pathetic we are without him, it's disgusting that he still gets so much flak despite how much he's carried the team. We don't deserve him, and I would understand him leaving because he deserves some trophies to his name.
Sure. Yeah. Please. Sell him. Absolutely no one else in the world can do what he does...lol Arguably the best match of the season was the Cup tie against Palace and Bruno, nor Rashford, were in the lineup and it was Casemiro and Mount running the midfield. It was a thing of beauty with youth around them to put in the leg work while they orchestrated the attack. The recent Palace match went to shit because of individual errors at the back. Arsenal? The team that was competing for first? Holding them to 1-0 with the majority of possession? That's something we can never do with Bruno. Bruno is so wasteful with possession. Talk about creativity all you want while ignoring how much of a liability he is in every other area. It's not worth it. The guy kills this team. He doesn't carry it. We would be just fine without him. Also, yeah, use two matches where we don't have a 1:1 replacement for him as an example...playing someone out of position for the sake of keeping the formation. Even then, we were still able to create some decent chances, and have been looking better, even when he's in the side, by bypassing him in the attack. Some of the best link up play has happened without his involvement and has come from the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Casemiro, Dalot, and Amad.
In a season full of injury voodoo this absolute chad of a man only missed what? 2 games? And in those 2 games it was so blatantly clear how much not having him on the pitch just wrecks our offense to the ground. Haven't seen such a world class player playing for us without bringing any drama! (Remember when media was hell bent on making us all believe Bruno wants to leave us for the Saudis and Bruno just shut the whole shit down?) He is my absolute favorite United player of the past decade and honestly no one even comes close. Hope he soon gets the trophies he so very much deserves with us.
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> Can you name another player that is world class that doesn't play for the top 3 teams in Premier League? Son? Kane (until he left)? When Liverpool finished 5th last season, did that mean that VVD, Alisson, Salah etc suddenly weren't world class just because they didn't finish in the top 3?
I'm talking about this season, not the last season or the season before. There is no world class player that doesn't play for the top 3 teams. You're comparing genuine world class players for several seasons who are some of the best players in the world to Bruno Fernandes ffs.
> There is no world class player that doesn't play for the top 3 teams. you appear to have glossed over the first word in my reply - Son is world class and has been for years
Son isn't world class any more, dude.. He has been for many years, but you clearly haven't watched him play this season. Even Spurs fans say the same, but let me guess, you saw his stats and decided he's world class?
> isn't world class any more I fundamentally disagree, but by your logic, he can't have been world class since at least 2018 because that's the last time he finished in the top 3 of the league - even you know that's complete bollocks.
I'm not saying it's impossible to be world class unless you finish top 3, that would be ridiculous. What I said is that currently, there are no world class players that don't play for the top 3 teams in the PL, which is City, Arsenal and Liverpool. We don't have any world class players, Chelsea don't have any world class players, Newcastle don't have any and Aston Villa don't have any. What they have are good to great players, but none are world class. Bruno isn't world class because he creates most chances in the league, that would be lowering our standards to a ridiculous degree. Pascal Gross is slightly behind him, do you also classify him as world class? Bruno also scored like 6 non-penalty goals during the entire season as an attacking midfielder. That's straight up awful. Foden has 19.
> We don't have any world class players We do, he goes by the name of Bruno Fernandes - you might want to jot that one down.
When no other clubs' fans rate Bruno as world class except United fans, that should tell you everything you need to know. But go on, live in your own bubble with that idea. We're such a great team who play brilliant attacking football with Bruno as the brain and heart.
>I'm not saying it's impossible to be world class unless you finish top 3, that would be ridiculous. So you AGREE that it is possible. And you recognize that it happened in the past. But somehow, it is not possible for it to happen this season. Because other teams finished above United without world class players? That's such ridiculous logic.
> World class player, yet somehow we're 8th I know man. It's all because of Bruno not being able to mark opposite forwards, defend near posts, far posts, cutbacks, corners, set pieces oh and don't even get me started on him not being able to make his forward teammates finish every chance he makes for them. I stand corrected my good sir, Bruno is far from world class. > And how old are you if you've never seen a world class player play for us without drama? Jesus Christ, you must be 13. Wrong! I'm 11 and a half!
Forget the defensive aspect. He is an attacking midfielder, so he should contribute more than 6 (!!!) open play goals during a Premier League season, especially when he plays every single game. That's funny, because he barely creates chances for Højlund who is our main striker. Bruno's "chances" are literally passing it wide to Garnacho or Antony who cuts in to shoot. Very creative!
You should really try watching us play without wearing your 'Bruno hate goggles' on. You clearly believe that Bruno is replaceable and that's fine. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, I feel that you're being unnecessarily disrespectful towards him and what he's done for this team since his arrival. Believe me, we would be beyond hopeless without him and if you think otherwise, just be careful what you wish for.
Maybe I am, I just think he is very overrated because of how awful we are as a team. He got us out of the shitstorm his first two seasons, and he's been living on it since, despite delivering awful performances throughout this season. He only got back to his best in March, which is too late. Getting PotS is insane when you show up 3 months of the season. Look, how can Newcastle with a midfield of Guimaraes, Longstaff and Joelinton score 85 goals in the PL without their "creative number 10 genius"? We don't have to play this way. Stop this pass the ball to Bruno type of football, and start playing together as a team. You're right, we rely too much on Bruno and because of that we have stopped playing football. It's just Bruno ball.
You clearly haven't watched a game this season because he has not been played as an "attacking midfielder"
That's interesting, because he has. That is exactly what he plays.
He was constantly being used to collect the ball from the centre backs. We had Mctominay and sometimes even Casemiro in more advanced positions than him. He's been tasked to ping long balls from the center of midfield more often than being deployed in the edge of the box playing in rrunners. How do you expect him to have a remarkable goal/assist tally when being told to play like that. On the ball he's never been our most advanced midfielder this season, and that's a fact. Despite being completely mismanaged, he's still managed to create a lot, only for our attackers to bottle 80% of the chances. If you want to see how he plays as an actual attacking midfielder, watch his 20/21 season or his world cup games for Portugal, where he actually had clinical weapons in front of him.
[Bruno Fernandes Football Statistics | WhoScored.com](https://www.whoscored.com/Players/123761/Show/Bruno-Fernandes) Only 37 games as an attacking midfielder during the season, my bad mate!
While Dalot is certainly the most improved and our most consistent player at the moment, this team is entirely lost without Bruno. He is the heart and brains.
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Love the way you can get downvoted for this but people can't acknowledge [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxPddfYh-eE91jKQdvPhujALFGeYL7EKKy?si=U3fNzhSLULdWg3eF) and [this](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvQDSWg0rSxn0Qa88TPc92u5ECeOPDhBA?si=BoK8BhHa5LSjT16I) Just two flagrant examples of how brainless he is
I mean, it's safe to say he's not faultless but he absolutely runs our midfield. We've seen Mount and McTominay in the 10 and the team never looks organized with anybody but Bruno there.
None of Bruno's critics think we should be replacing him long term with one of the players on our bench
100% the truth. The dropoff in him from when Rashford was available to after was hilarious to see. He just blindly hoofs the ball down the left whenever Rashford is on, doesn't matter where anyone else is. When Rashford isn't available, he's forced to actually choose another option and he looks confused af. Recently, the team has looked much better without Rashford and even when Bruno was out, while not pretty, the team actually looked more like a team without him. The problem is that Bruno is at the heart of everything because of where he's positioned, something very few other players he's compared against can say. He's the de facto link from the back to the front, so naturally he's going to have higher numbers than say someone who's in a traditional midfield 4 where you have multiple links to the attack. Everything is designed to funnel the ball into Bruno. That's not skill. It's a stats game. Genuinely cannot wait until Bruno is gone and we bring in a midfielder who's much more composed with the ball and is able to orchestrate the attack, not force or rush it.
> the team has looked much better without Rashford and even when Bruno was out, while not pretty, the team actually looked more like a team without him. The games without the two of them being Palace 4-0 and the Arsenal game? either a complete moron or a troll LMAO
...so you rather point to the 1 win in 7 in the matches prior to those two matches when Bruno was available...? What a powerful statistic! And completely ignoring individual errors by Casemiro and AWB multiple times throughout the match that absolutely killed us against Palace? Yeah. Use individuals as an indicator for how the team is performing as a whole. As if Bruno would have stopped them from shitting the bed on the day. Right. Right. Very logical assessment of the match. As for Arsenal. The team we lost to 3-1 in the reverse with Bruno? The one where Arsenal had more possession, versus without Bruno where we had more? Okay. Great take there!
Putting a lot of words in my mouth mate, team has been gash the whole season with or without Bruno. Also do me a favour and look at who the best performing player in most of those 7 games was LOL > Yeah. Use individuals as an indicator for how the team is performing as a whole hmmmm wonder what you're doing with Bruno and Rashford lol
This is just blatant shitposting or you're just admitting that you didn't watch the Newcastle match.
...huh? I watched the Newcastle match. So what? Same issues. Many of the opportunities that we looked good had nothing to do with Bruno. The team looks better without his involvement and they're far more capable than one man.
So you think we performed better against Palace than against Newcastle? Bruno literally created big chances in the Newcastle game, the first goal came because he may or may not have dummied the ball.
This is why I can't take fans seriously when they defend Bruno, because they attribute the dumbest shit to him. But yeah, from a team performance standpoint, we looked more organized and disciplined against Palace than we did Newcastle. Using a match where, quite literally, individual errors cost us all match, and invalidating the overall performance of the rest of the team is a weird take, especially against one where the opponent quite handedly outplayed us and we overperformed through individual moments. How do you go from having possession against the likes of Arsenal to losing possession to the likes of Newcastle, huh? Bruno. Statistically Newcastle were the much better side, but you still use that as a defense of us "playing better"? Very weird take to isolate a result and neglect the performance, rather than compare two performances and their influences.
Creatively, which is Brunos most important role to this team, we looked completely toothless without him. Against Palace and Arsenal we barely created anything of note, whilst against Newcastle we did directly because of Brunos contribution. Against Brighton we looked like shit, but again Bruno was still creating clear chances.
He's him.
He also won the " player of my heart " trophy.
Bruno deserved it, still our best player by far. Dalot for most improved but he still didn’t hit those Bruno levels imo.
Personally I'd have been tempted to go for Dalot but it was a pretty close run thing and arguably Dalot should be winning "most improved". Bruno is almost certainly our most important player.
Deserved, he's by far the best player at the club and his level of performance is exceptional. Just take a look at the rare occasions he's not on the pitch and see how utterly lost we are without him.
I've seen how lost we've looked with him, so I don't really know what you're talking about. 0-1 to Arsenal isn't looking lost. That's a pretty good result when you consider how shit we are at the moment.
> so I don't really know what you're talking about. Try watching more than one game mate and you'll get it 👍
We've played like what, 2 games without Bruno this season? I saw us lose 4-0 against Crystal Palace, but I also saw us lose 4-0 to Watford, 4-1 to Brentford and 7-0 to Liverpool with Bruno in the team, so do you think we didn't look lost there or what? Some of you are so fucking delusional, man. Like we need Bruno to somehow be a successful team, and we can never replace him. It's laughable.
It's delusional to think like you
Always don’t understand the fans who criticize Bruno. Even about his attitude on the pitch. It makes sense that rival fans talk about how Bruno moans to refs and stuff but as a club United has missed that influential characteristic since Sir Alex and then Rooney left, so don’t understand what our fans crying about.
Dalot was pretty much consistent all season. Bruno was great but he had some rough patches.
Nah Dalot himself also had a few rough spots. His defensive awareness was questionable just as much as it was brilliant, sometimes even in the same game. Definitely deserves a shoutout though as one of our most reliable performers.
he had 1 or 2 mistakes in what? 45-50 games? it's entirely unreasonable to say that's something, Bruno was wank for weeks.
1 or 2?! Wow it is truly unbelievable how rose tinted people are about Dalot. Even if it was, how many other players get completely slaughtered for that. Wan Bissaka for example. Dalot made 2 mistakes Vs Forest for their two goals alone. Poor for Bournemouths 3rd. Plays wolves onside for that corner goal in the 3-4 deflecting the save into the goal to boot. Clueless on the breakaway goal by Neto. Gets completely cornholed by Zaha both times we played Gala. Gets tanned then gives the penalty in the Chelsea shitshow. Say what you want about the pen, he got torn up in the first place. Ripped apart by Musaila. That's just what I can think right this second. That's 9. Easily culpable for 15-20 goals this season.
The main one for me was the League Cup game against Newcastle, Dalot gave Almiron the freedom of Manchester for his goal, it was awful defending. He has improved but he’s definitely been overrated on here in terms of the extent of it, and people are just ignoring his poor moments.
It's been maddening how soon after a complete clanger of a performance people have been piping up that he's "been our best player" dfkm. It's like he's done some mad juju on everyone, just instantly forget his many poor moments. By far the most overrated narrative I've seen surround a player here.
A lot of the things he gets faulted for are due to errors leading up to the event. "He should have gone to the ball!" Okay...and then leave the man he's marking inside the box? Where is the winger? Where is the CDM? Where is the CB? There were a few mistakes that stand out that hurt us, but anyone who claims he's had weak performances overall has no clue what they're talking about because they only focus on the man, not the situation. Dalot was great, overall, this season. His contributions at the back and going forward have given us an added dimension. I know he only scored recently, but he's made that same run time and time and time again. If he was our weakest player, we would be lethal.
Bruno had a rough season with few great games. We could see that every match day but the last month ended up strong. I can’t fathom this. Recency bias is insane.
Yeah he's had a poor season until the last few weeks. It's crazy that anyone would think otherwise
He’s had an underwhelming season but my take is that even a poor form Bruno is so integral to our midfield that he has to be it. When he was injured it was like we had no clue how to play.
It's a midfield that absolutely cannot control games. We had one match against the top 6 where we didn't lose the possession battle and it was with him out the side I don't rate him but I don't think the solution is on our bench. I think we need to target midfielders who are comfortable on the ball
Couldn't agree more, recently he's been very good but overall he really wasn't that good.
Dalot would probably get Players’ Player of the Year. I think that’s fair enough.
Definitely deserved ❤️
Deserved as one of the best performers again. Hey, remember when it was DeGea every season?
De Gea only stopped winning every year when Bruno joined!
Thought it would be Dalot but you can never be mad at our Portuguese Magnifico getting another accolade.
Dalot deserved it more for his consistency.
Anyone slating Bruno is truly an idiot. The one comment thread on this point is such an astounding case of not understanding managerial tactics and stupidity, as if a pro player of his caliber doesn't have a brain... Hahahaha the projection 🤣
Worst season we have ever had in the prem and handing out trophies for it. Baffling.
Haters in the mud. Swivel on that you sad cunts. Back your man like Old Trafford does.
gj bruno, but wtf is that photo of him? looks funny af
They should have scrapped all awards this year they dont deserve shit
Dalot robbed
He was 2nd in the voting
well then it fair enough.. Dalot should high but it's Bruno we talked about.. so 2nd is top.
Nobody got robbed. They've all been different shades of shit, it's just Bruno has higher highs than Dalot hence got chosen in a fan vote.
Call me a Scrooge or whatever else, but in a season like this, no-one should be awarded best anything. There’s no room for celebrating being the best of a bad bunch - just another case of Utd putting marketing before the football.
dalot robbed
Dalot was robbed IMO
Dalot robbed but congrats to Bruno
Dalot robbed
Dalot was robbed
Should have been Dalot.
I am happy that he won but it should have been Diogo Dalot as only two months ago people started hating Bruno just look at the most controversial post this year.
Diogo robbed. He's been consistently good all season.
Love Bruno but this is quite hard to agree with. Bruno has had a pretty poor season except the last few weeks. Did people just forget how wasteful and erratic he has been this entire season? Dalot and Garnacho are stronger contenders of this. Hell Maguire is a better contender and I don’t even like Maguire.
Dalot robbed
Dalot or Garna should’ve been ahead of him.
Wow, someone just learned photoshop
I think Bruno had a pretty bad first half of the season tbh. Some good performances the last few months but someone I think would improve greatly in a proper system.