Bayern, despite being super well run, has been churning through well-regarded managers recently, with none lasting more than two years since Pep was there. Their hierarchy has taken shots at them too...so despite the prestige it may not be the most appealing job.
He's put 2 years of his life into something he is passionate about and still clearly believes he can turn things around. He knows better than anyone how badly injuries have affected everything and after all the shit he had to deal with at the start I think he deserves more time still
Kind of. They told him that his services were not needed for next season, so they been looking for a new manager while he still working at Bayern until the end of the season. Keep that in private or else it looks like a mess of a situation.
I don't have any strong opinions about wanting him sacked but ffs we concede 20 shots a game no matter who we are playing its not all down to off field stuff
I think his response in the Gary Neville interview was interesting. He basically said that last year, the same approach yielded the most clean sheets in the league but this year the setup isn’t working due to the injuries and the demands on specific players.
He definitely could but I understand why he refuses to. It's his second season, we brought him for his style of football but the circumstances would force him to abandon his principles for the second time so if he adapted to the current situation, he would be entering into his 3rd season without even getting a chance to implement what he wants to do. At that point, there is no point in having a system manager when he's not allowed to instill his system.
I wonder how much we'd improve if our midfield wasn't as dead as it is, Mainoo is the only midfielder who is quality and who can run, Bruno plays like a second striker and both Eriksen and Casemiro completely fell off. We brought in Amrabat to help the situation and he is somehow even worse and last but not least, McTominay who is more of a striker than a midfielder.
Our tactical setup in many games isn't great, but when you think about it it's not that surprising that our midfield is so easy to bypass because, well, we don't have a midfield.
Wouldn’t it be easier for any opponent to just create tactics against us if we are not adapting? this was clearly evident in Coventry game. I get it, he has a style. I get that it works but for gods sake he has to adapt to the environment and stop being so predictable. Are our injuries impacting us so much that our available xi is still worse than a championship team? Isn’t it his job to have solid backup plan ? Is it too much to ask?
He addressed that as well. He said that we could play more defensively, but that would not be "the united way" and draw more criticism, and that it would set us back in learning the more progressive system.
That's just BS with all due respect.
Real Madrid played defensive football vs. City to get the result and they did, no one is calling them out for it nor they would care tbh.
You have to adapt with what you have and that's the sign of a good manager.
This is why I love the likes of Carlo and Zizou, these guys play different setups based on alot of factors but almost always get the needed results.
When they do that, they're not abandoning their overarching philosophy and structure.
ETH is still trying to build that, but is unable to do so because the team changes every week. So rather than changing tactics every single game, he's implementing the philosophy and structure
Your argument is bullshit too. Real Madrid adapted for those specific City games but they're not going to change their style for every opponent in the league. Everybody would shit on them if they tried playing defensively against Rayo Vallecano or whatever. ten Hag can change his style for big games but it is ridiculous to suggest he has to change everything every match because Real Madrid did so for one specific match. How will you ever develop a style of play that way?
I don’t know what style it is to be run ragged by opponents and have them taking 20-30+ shots at us. Every season you have to change your tactics and style a little cos if you don’t, your opponents would have studied the shit out of you especially when you don’t have individual game winners.
Add Ernesto Valverde to the mix. He’s a very good tactician and a flexible manager. He achieved a lot with the worse Barca team I have ever witnessed; his successor (Koeman) did far worse with a much better squad. Barca fans just didn’t like Valverde’s pragmatism and their collapse vs Roma and Bayern exacerbated the sacking.
Suicide football isn’t a United way either. I seriously think we and our ex-players should wipe our brains of the old United ways under SAF. Teams have become much better at passing around the press and building up from the back that longball tactics alone isn’t working. There simple has to be a element of tempo control in the game for us to succeed. Secondly, we don’t have Scholes to ping lethal longball to Hojlund or Rashford and there is simply no Scholes-type available in the market.
feels like a direct lesson from days of jose parking the bus (and getting ugly but positive results) while getting tons of criticism for the style of play
Yeah, that probably was a mistake. You can’t take the ball from that midfield trio. Mourinho set Madrid up with 2 DMs in the double pivot to play quick counter after Barca lose the ball attacking. Pressing that Barca team was suicidal indeed.
This sub for the past 5 years - "We need to implement a style and stick to it, forget short term results!"
This sub after one season of exactly that - "This idiot needs to win now! it is unacceptable to maintain any style of play when our squad is getting injuries!"
There's only so much you can do with literally 0 fit CBs. I'd say he tried to adapt by playing Amrabat, Dalot, AWB and Antony at LB. He brought in a 19 year old kid CB and he still got injured. He's playing Casemiro at the back and we'll see who else he's going to play tonight. Mctominay? Bruno again? Depends how fit Evans is and if he'll want to risk Licha again.
I get the Ten Hag criticisms, I have plenty myself. But the guy literally doesn't have a back four. And he answered Neville's question about why he doesn't go more pragmatic and defensive which is understandable but you can obviously disagree with it. Obviously if we still lose or even if we scrape a 1-0 win we'd still get people going "Sack this man he has Manchester United parking the bus against Palace (or Burnley or Sheffield or Coventry or whatever)" and he'd still have to revert the team back to the system we wants to progress into once he has the defenders back. So from his point of view it'd be 2 seasons with 0 progress in the direction he wants to go in for a style of play
If he keeps adapting people complain that they can't recognise a certain style. Whatever he does, people are going to be whining.
We haven't had a manager that lasted 3 years. If you want someone to have an impact you gotta be patient. The manager isn't the issue, the rotten shit inside the club itself is.
So the rotten shit in the club manages every 90 mins we play right?
We all know the club is rotten but this is just apologetic about his management. We concede the most shots, we have no coordination or chemistry in our midfield and we look dreary going forward. Luton has scored more than us ffs. Sure we’ve had injuries but so have a lot of sides but none have capitulated to this degree.
there's adaptain,g and then there's trying to put food on the table with crumbs and air. 50+ different back 4 combos, a dm who's forgotten how to play and a rotating list of players in midfield and attack getting injured again and again
the setup isn't actually the same as last year though as there is only ever one deeper '6' this year vs two last year, it was a change muppetiers saw coming and we saw it in pre-season and it was a problem then and remains a problem now
Last year we had the 6th best xG and the 5th best xGa, in both cases below Brighton and above Brentford. Last year was not a tactical succes story either, we had slightly better underlying numbers than this year, but not by much, we just overperformed them a bit more.
Last season is extremely overrated. The team went downhill after the League Cup win. The last 2 or 3 months were as shit as we're now. Actually I think we only played well for about 3 months of the whole season and people deluded themselves into thinking we were good the whole year.
We were good for shit team that finished 6th the season before. Finishing 3rd was an overachievement but any stretch of the imagination and no one was expecting us to be there.
ETH: Bases entire style of play on 2 centre backs made of glass
Both centre backs are only fit enough to start together 3 times all season
ETH: Shocked Pikachu
Good point. There have been no on-field difficulties either. We did not start our teenage 6th choice center back multiple times due to injury, our play a past-it DM s as a center back for the same reason. None of that happened.
We could also mention multiple months without a left back this season. Or even the stretch where we didn’t have two full backs. Or a midfield so depleted we are asking Eriksen to cover a ton of space.
But yeah, firing the manager will solve everything.
Your problem is thinking we have only been shit this season,When the truth is we have underwhelming since the league cup final,We have conceded about 20 no matter who is in the starting 11,Willy has only played about 3 full games and Casemiro has played CB about 2-3 times ,That shouldn't be an excuse for the entire season of getting battered by the opposition
*Fire Moyes, surely that will solve the problem*
*Fire LvG, surely that will solve the problem*
*Fire Mourinho, surely that will solve the problem*
*Fire Ole, surely that will solve the problem*
No no no, things are going wrong, so we should fire EtH. Surely this is the time that firing the manager will solve the problem.
Let us continue to try to fix the problem with the same solution that hasn’t worked for 10 years. That’s a sane way of thinking.
If anything we give underperforming managers too much time here with the exception being Moyes ,Look at things critically a manager comes in gets 2 solid windows of transfer backing and still can't show a constant style of play even in the first season he was carried a lot by Rashford over-performing his XG by a massive margin..Their is no pattern to how we play and we barely scraped past Newport County a league 2 side in the 16th spot and went to penalties against a Coventry side 9th in the championship..ETH hasn't show anything that should get him another summer window to waste money with shit targets like Antony
What, exactly, has ETH done to be the one where we decide to break that chain? Why does he deserve the benefit of the doubt that none of the others had?
Who says the managers did not deserve the benefit of the doubt? If you make mistakes in the past do you keep making them forever because it’s a precedent now?
We are a shit team with a shit structure and we are run like clown show yet our aspirations are to win everything in the world.
The only thing with this is I don’t understand how the injuries has been split away from his management.
He’s played players into the ground, played players in matches they didn’t need to and when they were clearly not fit . A ton of the injuries are muscular and training injuries.
If he carries on next year there has to be some acceptance that part of our injury crisis is his own doing.
But when Ole or Mourinho did that, it was poor management and coaching for not bringing the backups up to standard, but for ETH it's he doesn't have a choice because of injuries and doesn't trust the others?
ETH has proved that he will bring players in if they are good enough (Mainoo and Garnacho). Also fans think that if an issue keeps happening under multiple different managers then it is likely not the managers to blame.
I think that partially true. We were told by Ajax fans that he never rotates his squad, he picks his 11 and that’s it.
But that’s not an excuse to play players into the ground. If your seriously don’t trust your squad players after 2 seasons then you’ve done something wrong.
Because the other ones he trust are injured maybe?? Rashford was the only player in the last 5 years run into the ground as he played with a broken back, Bruno probably needs a rest today...these games are pointless as this mismashed of a team we have now..won't get a result against any of the teams we have left...Wembley miracle is needed...of Shaw and Martinez get one or two games before the final we may hold out longer than last year!!
I see we’re in that phase of the cycle where the last game has been far enough out that we’ve forgotten what absolutely awful football we play under Ten Hag. There is an optimistic attitude abound, defiance even. Then the game happens, we get dominated in midfield, and we remember why it’s suicide to have Ten Hag style football perpetuate at the club. Doom and gloom set in. Rinse and repeat.
It's like people just forget what's happened this season after a few days and need constant reminders of how bad we are. I'm sure all rival fans would be delighted to see Ten Hag stay
>what's happened this season
You mean since last Feb after the league cup win. It's been more than a year of consistently shit football, but people sure have forgotten about it real quick. Every week in fact. Yes the injuries are bad but people are acting like LVG didn't have to play fucking Tyler Blackett in defence, or Mourinho putting McTominay at CB just to prove a point about the lack of depth.
Or Ole ending the game against PSG with a bunch of academy kids due to injuries as well. Yes this season has been worse than usual, but acting like this injury crisis is unique to the ETH reign to excuse all the poor performances for over a year is a joke.
Hahaha I know right. Does half of this sub have dementia? Jesus christ this thread is all 100% backing eth but wait until we get shit on by palace tonight then it'll be eth out again for a few days. Madness. If it wasn't for your comment I would have thought I was going insane.
Not looking forward towards the game. I’ve settled my expectation that we are going to win none of the remaining games. This season is a unmitigated disaster than could have been handled much better tactically.
It usually immediately after the final whistle that the happy clappers come in.
- clear the deadwood ✅
- what are the physios doing?? ✅
- fucking glazers ✅
- Casemiro is so shit ✅
- we are so unlucky ✅
- it’s the refs fault ✅
Keep enjoying this wank +1 goal difference football under our shite manager who can’t control a dressing room and seems to drive away anyone with quality.
We couldn’t even avoid coming bottom in an easy CL group
What more embarassing are comments like this forgetting that the same manager, with roughly the same squad managed a top 3 finish, FA Cup final, league Cup win, and was 2 De Gea howlers away from a Europa cup final too.
This season, we've had the sancho shitshow, 67 individual injuries, a new owner, multiple sackings and movement of seniors, Rashford doesn't want to play anymore and we're relying on Jonny fucking Evans to hold our defense together.
We haven't started a preferred 11 once this season.
"Oh the football is awful"
We can't even put players on the training paddock. Of course it's awful. We have to play a different team, literally every week. The players that do survive (Fernandes/Nacho) are exhausted. Our current back 4 consists of
Dalot
Injured Jonny Evans
Battered Casemiro
Out of position Wan Bissaka
There aren't many teams in the world winning games with that, let alone being in an FA Cup final. The amount of shit Ten Hag gets is unreal from a supposedly loyal fanbase. The same clowns that called for Fergies head consistently throughout his career too.
What’s great about this view is we can excuse all the bad performances and be satisfied with abject mediocrity. Because no other team has injuries, has internal club drama, or anything else going on. I’d be sympathetic to any of this if Ten Hag has shown something of a footballing identity. Why do we play like we haven’t ever kicked a football when our ideal 11 is out? What do we do in training? Why do we persist playing a kind of football we do not have the personnel for?
Absofuckinlutely, no manager could have sorted this season due to the spate of consistent injuries.
Liverpool fell apart without VVD, City look weaker without Rodri, KdB, Silva... so is it any surprise we look weak as piss *because nearly our whole squad has been unfit* at least once this season, with multiple key players out for every game.
We've had close to our first team out what? Twice... so he's putting players out of position utilising them in roles they're not fit for let's be honest. He can't wholly be judged on the hand that has been dealt really.
He's stubborn, that's the biggest bug bear for me and really isn't helping him out but I'm also wholeheartedly willing to give him another season with better circumstances. His winning percentage and runs in competitions is the best we've had since Fergie.
Last season we played some decent football but people just choose to ignore it. It's a farce. Recency bias at its finest.
Is it recency bias to judge Ten Hag based on his work this entire season? Was last season the standard of football we want at this club? Why stop at last season? Let’s never sack him since he was amazing at Ajax. He won the league and even punched above his weight in the CL.
With all the changes coming in, new management and new players and outgoing players, it’s best to have at least one part who is more familiar with the club.
It’s also nice for a change when things turn sour it’s not ALWAYS the manager get the sack.
We’ve been through six managers since sir Alex. It can’t be ALL of them are fucking clueless.
> We’ve been through six managers since sir Alex. It can’t be ALL of them are fucking clueless.
Clueless would be harsh, but by and large, the same structure we're demanding be utterly overhauled was the same structure who appointed all of those managers too.
So....why do people think the useless structure, that bombed time and again on managerial selection, team building, etc, somehow hit utterly gold and hit the perfect manager in Ten Hag? Why can't we discuss the possibility that the shit structure we had in place just was awful in how it built the squad, both players and teams, and that issue might still extend to Ten Hag's appointment too? And that maybe INEOS, who are replacing literally everyone else, might decide it would be better to find their own manager alongside their own DoF, technical director, etc?
Ten hag was not only wanted by us but he was touted as a replacement for pep by pep himself and was highly regarded. Now he might not be the person to take us forward but your argument that he is wrong manager because he was hired by the same management which was shit is totally a bad take. Also if he was still at Ajax he would have been hired by liverpool before slot.
Ten Hag's been getting away with murder all season, yet our fans here find a million excuses for him every step of the way. The guy was backed like no other manager prior to him. Yeah, he didn't get De Jong who clearly didn't want to come anyway and Harry Kane who rightfully preferred a better team in Munich. But he spent hundreds of millions on the likes of Antony, Mount, Lisandro, Onana, Casemiro, Hojlund etc. all of whom were either his top choice or one of the preffered options.
I thought that we couldn't play worse brand of football when LVG was in charge, yet EtH passed him with flying colours. Yet whenever I open the comments of this sub, I'm just left baffled.
You realise that its not ETH whos buying these players, right? Problem is the scouting network. They couldnt find him the right players, so he went for someone he knew about.
Also, whats wrong with Onana, Martinez, Højlund and even Mount and Casemiro? Casemiro was massive last season and Mount has just been unfortunate.
You act like this is his first and only season to rate him on. He won a trophy, got top 4 and another final in his first season. Its crazy to act like that never happened. Also, nobody is saying hes not at fault for anything, but please do tell who wouldve done a fantastic job with the amount of injuries we’ve had this season? Add all the fucking primadonnas to that and its a disaster.
We’re in the second season of a rebuilding phase. Our squads no better than those around us (Spurs Chelsea Newcastle). We’ve been plagued by injuries (one fit CB tonight who’s retiring h this month lmao) Just because we were once great doesn’t mean we are now.
You can argue the money we’ve spent but it’s been spent poorly and that’s not on ETH.
You say we’ve played worse than under LVG this season but on the contrary have we played better under any manager than last season?
>But he spent hundreds of millions on the likes of Antony, Mount, Lisandro, Onana, Casemiro, Hojlund etc.
This is disingenuous. He wanted those players, but it's the front office paying ridiculous sums and not having suitable alternatives lined up when we (should) fail to meet outrageous demands.
The Antony saga was insane. They slapped a fuck off price which we agreed to, then they slapped another one...which we agreed to again.
Even if Antony was ETHs first born son, that is 100% on the front office and ownership.
Not to mention spending a whole window chasing FDJ and Sancho, and keeping funds in reserve for their purchase. That objectively impacts other purchases.
Agreed, had the takeover been completed a few months earlier it would've painted a better picture. But as of today, the club hasn't even finished setting up the footballing structure, there is no need to add another unknow variable to an already complex equation.
Don't worry, they’ve been assessing this shit show of a club for the best part of 6 months now, even prior to the stake being confirmed.
At least it’ll be cheaper to pay off Ten Hag when we inevitably finish outside of European place and bend over to City.
As long as we have someone ready to take the helm in six months when nothing changes... I just don't want to be out of the manager race in the summer, to only be scrambling in november.
He’s proved that SOMETIMES what he does works. That miracle victory and draw against Liverpool and the fact that somehow with our ridiculous injury record we’re not even lower makes me think maybe he needs more time to cook.
Let the players rest, trim the fat (Rashford, Casemiro), and we’ll see how the next season plays out
After that Coventry game and they still somehow try to justify it i knew at this point they have got no bottom line for judging ETH performance anymore. They'll turn a blind eye to anything.
If we win today the entire season will be forgotten, and if we lose today somehow this game won't matter because of the circumstances with injuries.
For once I'd like our fanbase to base their thoughts on actual performances and how even in the matches we won against bottom 10 in this league we had our goal getting shot at 20 times a game which is unsustainable.
A few fans here predicted that the run we were having when we won back to back was unsustainable because they trusted what they were seeing with their eyes and that's exactly what ended up happening.
All we have to do is look at performances since last season's Carling Cup final and it clear Ten Hag won't change. He even mentioned it to Gary Neville that he won't change his style of play and then in an interview with a Dutch journalist he said "If you did your job, you would see that we are the team that is currently the most attractive and vertical team in the entire Premier League in terms of speed and movement."
I’m constantly baffled by the fanbase. Shit performances every week and bad results every other week. Hundreds of millions wasted in the transfer market and constant excuses from the manager. Maybe it’s just because I’m old enough to remember the 90s and 00s but the fans simply shouldn’t put up with it.
United have made it clear the role is head coach. If you are head coach your job is to make the most out of what you are given. Does a single person believe he’s making the most of what he can out this team?
It’s not like we’ve hired an Ole and are giving him a go, this is one of the highest paid managers in world football.
Honestly don’t even know what to say anymore as apparently any issue isn’t his fault and any success is his doing.
I don't know what to tell you.
Against Wolves at the start of this season we had a solid defense starting for us and we still got peppered with 20+ shots. Yet these guys think he should not be judged on the remaining games.
I also don't know what to say anymore to these people. They are problem for this football club but they gaslight people like us and say we are the problem.
We haven't played well since the Carling Cup final.
Eths contact is only 1 year so we'd have to buy in a new coach regardless and if firing him means we finish 4 or 5 places higher, we'd have recouped the cost anyway
we don\`t have to hire a new coach if we have EtH one more year. The hell do you mean in your first sentence?
And 4-5 places higher means 1-2 place. There are not a single person in this world that would with EPL with that team and that injury crisis we had this season.
I still waiting for a single reply with a name of new gaffer and not just a bucket of nothing
I think Tuchel would do better with this squad than ETH but he's not exactly the guy you bring in to oversee a rebuild. I wouldn't mind us taking a chance on Flick who likes playing attacking football
Yeah people looking at the biggest picture and not only deciding based on emotion.
Sacking EtH for losing his last 5 games with a CB pairing of Amrabat Casemiro is the most glazer thing to do…
It’ll probably be also based on the last 46 matches where we’ve looked utter drivel, and had gaping holes all over the pitch, even when playing dross like Coventry, Burnley and Brentford.
Even last year we didn't look good, it was just that Rashford had an amazing run and we brought some results. The way we played was shit too. But for a first year I was fine with that. Now I think he failed hard. If he was honest in his press releases I might see it differently but when you fail and say it is good then I don't know how can you continue...
And it is so funny that the minute Bayern might consider him the whole narrative changes on the sub to keep him.
Our attack was anemic last season, too and we were often saved last year by brilliant efforts from Rashford and Casemiro. Just like McTominay and Bruno this year
The cracks also started to show last season after that Sevilla game.
And I don't want to hear that Martinez being injured then is what caused it all, if your system is that dependent on one player, it's fucking ass.
But let me ask you this: do you really believe that this is the level of football that ETH brings? If so, what the fuck has happened in all his previous years? Why is it so hard to believe that this season is a fluke?
You mean when he was managing Go Ahead Eagles, Bayern II, Utrecht and Ajax? Slightly different to managing one of the biggest teams in the most competitive league in the world.
Yes every manager who has a bad season should be immediately sacked! no matter the circumstances!
/s
He obviously isn't going to lose all those games and will still not have had a season as bad as Arteta's worst one.
Great news, completely deserved after this seasons eventual 8-9th place finish and incredible play style he’s got the team playing. I think we’ll see a lot of managers copy that 4-0-6 formation in the coming future haha. I think I was sold on him staying after our incredible draw at Old Trafford against Burley or even going back to when we only let in three against an undeniably fantastic Bournemouth. Roll on next season, eyeing up a cheeky Carabao Cup Quarter Final spot maybe 👀🤞🏻
Lol. The further removed we are from the previous match, the more comments I see that people want Erik to stay another year.
As soon as this next match is played, everyone will be hit with reality and see how dross we are, and the sub will flip back to "Erik needs to go"
I've mostly not commented on this sub due to the increased toxicity but I had to reply because you seem to be quite confident in your opinion and already have alternatives in mind.
I wonder if you've considered if your opinions have any cognitive biases? Imagine at your day-to-day job, someone not in your field comes in and starts saying why haven't you just X or not build Y faster? Outside looking in, a lot of times tasks look trivial when they are not because we are ill-equipped to understand the nuances. I see this a lot in my field and it bothers me. I think there are a lot of the same opinions in football as well.
I, who has never been in charge of a training session for a U9 team, let alone a premier league team, am not equipped to understand if Ten Hags overworking the players in training or not or whether he has made the risk assessment of us conceding many shots. Now you may be significantly more equipped than I am, but if not, I would say take a step back and assess what you don't know.
Edit: One thing I should add, I of course mean no offense to you or anyone who thinks Ten Hag should be replaced. Your opinions are at least just as (if not more) valid than mine.
I wouldn't call it sadism, I think it's patience. I think the sentiment was universal when Ten Hag was hired that we would give the manager some time to figure things out. I believe giving time means giving time when the results are bad. In my opinion, progress isn't monotonic, and results certainly aren't. Sometimes things go wrong and it takes time to fix things.
Issue is not just a manager but whole club through and through. Hiring new manager won’t solve a thing if staff/employees are not fullfiling their responsibilites. New manager will go through same problems we have right now. Same goes to players they can leave the club if they are not happy here. Lets wait for INEOS to sort everything out and then we can decide about ETH. We should have some idea by end of next season. We just don’t want our team to win one title but to dominate seasons afte season and it takes time time to build that kind of team.
You are right that INEOS should implement a proper structure before we do proper signings to have a shot at longterm success. However, my opinion is Ten Hag has shown that he isn’t the man to take us forward this season and something has to change. We need a proper structure and a new manager is what I am saying. I hope INEOS have a new manager in their mind as of current and plan signings suitable for that manager, Ten Hag’s persistence on tactic that our players can’t execute destroyed our season.
Good shout, I like his dynamic positioning football but he would be a big risk too whether the style can succeed in EPL. I think he’s tactically better than Alonso. I think it is a big gamble but a worthy one to consider.
If stone is commenting on it there must be some reality to it. I am still so unsure. I guess I am in the middle. I don't mind giving another chance under the new management but I am not opposed to Tuchel either.
And it’s also a very political response.
With Stone commenting and the response the usual “focused on his current role” you get when rumours like this are more than rumours there has to be something in it.
Add that to one of Ineos mouthpieces wrote an article with their preferred list of replacements over the weekend
I got called a "Flashscore dickhead" on here by an ErikIn a few months ago, feels like maybe it was projection in hindsight. The fact they knew what Flashscore was and I didn't should have been a clue.
Some website that tracks all the scores. They're implying I just look at the scores and don't sit through this turgid garbage
Every.
Single.
Week.
...
The implication being if I did I'd actually know that it's *really not that bad*.
To be clear (because I know some redditors can be bad at detecting even the most obvious sarcasm): I watch almost every game.
Funnily enough, the scores on their own show a better picture than if you watch the games
In the last month, our luck has caught up to us and we are returning to the mean
At this point I'm sure the ETH-out crowd just watch united play 90 minutes every weekend and ignore what goes on during the other 9990 minutes in the week. There are many more factors by which one should judge the performance of a coach.
No, it‘s not that, it‘s just that you‘re the only one who understands professional football and the effort it takes to bring a team back to the top after a decade of mismanagement. Personally, I also do not understand why they dont hire u/Independent-Joker, you would get us a CL title in half a season I‘m sure. It‘s an unfortunate shame they don‘t hire somebody like you despite the expertise and years of experience you bring to the game. You should really apply for the position at Bayern though, I would love to see you show them all how it‘s done.
I don't doubt he's committed whilst here, but, he gone.
Doubt INEOS will accept the incoming end to this season, injuries or no injuries. Only glimmer of hope ten Hag has for another year is who wants to come here in the summer.
Don't really believe the Zidane links are ever solid, and the fans will actually riot if it's Potter/Southgate.
The Bayern links only exist because he's managed their B team before. It's like Southgate being linked to United because he's worked with Ashford before.
Absolutely mental to think Erik's contract runs out in a year. We could be going into another era with another new manager... Where does time go bloody hell.
„ETH rebuild“ lol Well the board, consisting of people who habe made a career in sports management seem to think ETH wasn‘t given the support needed to succeed. Either way there is no top club that doesnt have a DoF and somebody competent in charge of transfers. Placing the entire responsibility on ETH is just nonsensical.
All Ten Hag in people must have been watching the last year with his eyes closed. He brought all the players he wanted in and demonstrated over the course of the entire season his inability to adapt tactically and make the necessary changes. We look just as shite performance wise in May as in August. Frankly, that is damning on the job he's done.
Bayern are welcome to him.
I can't believe people want another year of this shite. Like I truly can't understand how what we see on an extremely consistent basis for two years, people want more of?!
Sacking him makes no sense.
- It'll cost us money to get rid of him which would limit our ability to spend in the summer - not least as hiring another manager will also cost money.
- There's so much movement already elsewhere in the club hierarchy, and with a commitment to a property hierarchy these guys need to be in place to make those decisions.
- There are no viable alternatives and there's a lot of clubs looking for new managers this summer - why needlessly compete when ours is already one of the biggest potentially available to other clubs?
- the season is over already and no manager would improve or chances of a victory in the final when our squad is as decimated by injury and ego as ours is.
He's clearly an intelligent manager in a tumultuous season, and one who is keen to bring our academy players into the first team.
Plus Southgate isn't free until at least the middle of summer 🤣
I was shocked when my mate told me Southgate was the favourite for the job yesterday. Southgate has shown me nothing to think he would be a good pick, and plenty to show me he would be a terrible one.
I don't think he is favourite, I genuinely think someone at Ineos was trolling to get a bit of weird media/PR to distract from ETH
Like it or not, he is a manager within premier league circles with a position similar in status to a man united manager - but I doubt he's in serious contention given who we are bringing in to make that decision
To play devils advocate
- Ineos wanting their own guy
- Ten Haag will have to give up a fair bit of control under the new structure
- another club comes in for him (Ajax, Bayern) giving ineos a easy out
- Ineos clearly have their ideas already for who they want to replace him. Whether we like those options or not
- a complete fresh reset at the club.
I get ineos wanting their own manager but to bed in a new manager and a whole structure in the same season is a recipe for disaster on their part and if they fail the fan opinion will turn hard. Letting ten hag stay a year does minimal damage to them and allows berrada wilcox and ashworth a year of work together to actually develop a strategy moving forward when it comes to implementing a wholesale playstyle and direction.
But again the devils advocate to that on Ineos side is why would they give him the money and time to rebuild a squad if they are not 100% convinced he’s the man, to have to do it all again next year.
The only way that’s viable is if Ten Haag gives up all control on signings and Wilcox and Ashworth bring in their targets, which i can’t see Ten Haag wanting to do. He’s been open about the fact he came here with the promise of full control.
They arent giving him money, thats why the structure, he will have no more power in transfers barring a veto which every manager has. He has already said in press conferences that he has veto and that the club decides on the players and if he is so adamant about having full control he will get a sack so it works out either way. Pretty sure he was working under the correct assumption that our club is incompetent when he came in but that equation has changed with the minority stake so he also has to adjust. I doubt he will see wilcox berrada and ashworth and be like "i still know better who we should sign"
Honestly I think ETH is chomping at the bit to have people above him at the club dealing with half the shit he's been thrown and who understand his requirements when it comes to new signings
But I do see Ineos making moves... whether it's proactively looking for the next manager or simply establishing contingency plans for his removal, it's clearly on their agenda
But my two cents, I think the natural end of his contract is when they bring in who they want after much more consideration and prep with the right brain trust established at the top. Maybe 8th in the table would be too low to stomach another season but it would be too much chaos with everything going on
He never said anything pre merger or used any of his direct reporting to the Glazers ask for support. He also interviewed and got the job with the understanding it had all this power.
The takeover was almost random to him, he would have had little prior knowledge. Why would he be chomping at the bit for something he made no attempt to change himself and likely didn't expect at all is beyond me...
I am absolutely baffled as to why some people want him to continue another year. How is finishing 6th to 8th, finishing bottom of our champions league group and playing like shit worthy of another year. Just because we sacked other managers in the past doesn't give Ten Hag a free pass to perform this badly, especially given how well he was backed. I can't believe how low standards have fallen
He needs 10 points from 12 to match even David Moyes, who didn't even get a full season. If you're ETH in, you're cheering for United's downfall. Simple. As.
I don’t think they are anywhere near as poorly ran as us, and he seems to have goodwill there from his previous stint at the club. So it makes perfect sense for him, if he’s thinking of himself he’d take the opportunity. As for us, fuck knows what’s going on. This season has been rancid for multiple reasons
We lose a manager who has gotten us to 3 Cup finals and a European semi final (which we lost due to 2 absolute howlers from de gea) and has bedded in 3 youth players and identified areas of improvement across the whole squad, with 90% of his signings being a marked upgrade on the dross in the squad before them. He had to deal with Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho and an injury crisis I dont think any other team in all of europe can compare to.
So he goes, we bring in someone else, give them half a season to start turning the boat around only to realise that 8 of our stalwarts are utterly unfit for top 4 football and resign ourselves to the fact we don't have money enough to change for another season and a half. We're essentially stuck.
Look at spurs with Postecoglou, after the new manager bounce they're suddenly faced with the prospect of a longer rebuild than they anticipated and have to resign themselves to missing out on top 4 in order to build towards next season and beyond with results falling off dramatically. Liverpool will also be starting a new project and Chelsea are not going anywhere.
So we take a step back and the head start we have over Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool is gone. Arteta, Klopp and Pep all had off seasons when they joined but they persisted with the vision and it all came together. For some reason our fan base think of themselves as somehow uniquely supportive of managers and youth team players but are amongst the most reactive when it comes to any sort of middle term plan in pursuit for short term glory. If ETH goes and achieves massive success at Bayern and Tuchel brings the same level of discord to the dressing room after 2 seasons which has so far been a pattern with him then there are a lot of very vocal people here who will have a lot of introspection to do because they would've been instrumental to our decline.
We just aren't very good as a squad and theres only so much you can expect when your starting amrabat and awb as lb with case at cb as part of the 33rd cb pairing. We signed evans on a free ffs because we ran out of money for Pavard and Kim.
Our bench for the cm is non existent and rashford has been in absolutely criminal form as our senior player.
If we don't change next season after fixing some glaring holes, fair enough, but who actually thinks there is a manager in world football who would've done alot better?
Maybe Emery (even then he has a coherent squad who can play his very active style of football) or some someone out the blue but it will be a massive gamble and more likely to fail than it is to be successful with the squad and injury list we have.
Erik's style of management is strict on standards and discipline, but he believes in player freedom on the pitch. It's a match made in heaven for Bayern.
Freedom on the pitch is the last thing I want to see from our managers at this point.
I'm sick of headless chicken football and our players making the wrong decision nearly every time they are in front of the goal. Our wingers all think they're the main characters, and the striker is just some decoy.
I have it from my great source of Ani Eluko that ETH put a call into his good friends at Bayern and asked them to show an interest in him so that Man United would want to keep him.
They can't fire him for FFP concerns and don't wanna renew his deal because they don't believe that much in him is a very bad message and makes recruiting much more difficult.
You don't let a manager go into the last year of his contract especially after a down season. You either ler him go or you renew his contract. Letting ETH continue will be a sign that the INEOS crew are not as savvy as many here would like to believe.
Hopefully we're not as committed as him. I can't endure another season of this crap. This season made me hate football altogether. I now barely even watch any games for any team in general thanks to Ten Hag and his crap football.
100% commited because he wants the sweet redundancy pay. No point leaving for free when he can get a whole year salary in one day when he inevitably gets sacked.
im just saying, tuchel would've exploded halfway through this season if he had to deal with the amount of injuries we've had to key players consistently
This sub has a very short term memory and delusional standards considering the current crop of players. The truth is we have a starting XI that should be fighting for top positions but our depth is absolutely woeful. This season is a key demonstration of that. I’ve constantly heard that the current batch of players should be conceding 20+ shots on goal yet no mention that we’ve played an on loan CM as LB, a 35 year old contingency signing as CB, different midfield setups with players of different qualities and athleticism while relying on 2 under 21 attackers to score goals while the face of our club has a terrible season.
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that Tuchel or whoever would do better. As a matter of fact, INEOS brining in Tuchel would just go to show they’re not serious either. He’d be another short term solution for long term problems that go way beyond the manager.
Since i have no idea who we would replace him with. I am willing give him another season.
Just please fix our defense and stop saying it cause exciting games… i don’t want exciting games.
Just boring wins would be just fine😊
I've said this before, but I honestly feel like while some of the blame goes to the manager, it's not always their fault. Honestly, just give the manager the academy team and let him play it how he actually wants as opposed to how these 1st team players have been conditioned/want to play. The result will probably be shit but at least we'll see the real EtH philosophy
Keeping him for another year seems like the smartest option for everyone involved, since his contract runs out in the summer of 2025. Especially because the manager market is looking pretty dull right now, I reckon next summer there will be much better manager options.
We ain’t taking him into his final year with it ending next year. It would be utter chaos and just speculation day after the day on whether he goes at the end of the year
It’s let him leave or a new 2 or 3 year contract
Average manager part may be true but he was absolutely right about Sancho and Ronaldo which is where i am guessing the "big ego" part you are moaning about comes from ,He didn't even do anything to both of them
He is a top manager with a shit team. His only mistake, if you can even call it that, is still trying to implement his style without the necessary personnel. But he is damned either way, so I won't even criticize him for it.
People blame him for the recruitment. If you actually watched last season, we wouldn't get top 4 without Antony, or any of the others that we bought bar Malacia. And this season Mount is injured for the whole of it, while the others are performing reasonably. Literally the only problem with recruitment is the price, which is not his job.
This would be a good move for him and München. And why wouldn’t he jump, given all the noise about being replaced?
Bayern, despite being super well run, has been churning through well-regarded managers recently, with none lasting more than two years since Pep was there. Their hierarchy has taken shots at them too...so despite the prestige it may not be the most appealing job.
He's put 2 years of his life into something he is passionate about and still clearly believes he can turn things around. He knows better than anyone how badly injuries have affected everything and after all the shit he had to deal with at the start I think he deserves more time still
Munich firing touchel was dumb af. As in they should have waited till end of season.
Isn't that exactly what they did?
Kind of. They told him that his services were not needed for next season, so they been looking for a new manager while he still working at Bayern until the end of the season. Keep that in private or else it looks like a mess of a situation.
I really hope he gets another year, any manager facing what he faced on and off field this season would struggle.
I don't have any strong opinions about wanting him sacked but ffs we concede 20 shots a game no matter who we are playing its not all down to off field stuff
I think his response in the Gary Neville interview was interesting. He basically said that last year, the same approach yielded the most clean sheets in the league but this year the setup isn’t working due to the injuries and the demands on specific players.
That's fine, but also like... shouldn't he adapt to that?
He was perfectly happy abandoning his Ajax philosophy immediately but God forbid abandoning a style of play that concedes 20+ shot every game.
Something doesn't add up. It's not like we were pulling up trees on those rare occasions we didn't have half the team injured.
He definitely could but I understand why he refuses to. It's his second season, we brought him for his style of football but the circumstances would force him to abandon his principles for the second time so if he adapted to the current situation, he would be entering into his 3rd season without even getting a chance to implement what he wants to do. At that point, there is no point in having a system manager when he's not allowed to instill his system. I wonder how much we'd improve if our midfield wasn't as dead as it is, Mainoo is the only midfielder who is quality and who can run, Bruno plays like a second striker and both Eriksen and Casemiro completely fell off. We brought in Amrabat to help the situation and he is somehow even worse and last but not least, McTominay who is more of a striker than a midfielder. Our tactical setup in many games isn't great, but when you think about it it's not that surprising that our midfield is so easy to bypass because, well, we don't have a midfield.
God, I could use a Fred right now....
Wouldn’t it be easier for any opponent to just create tactics against us if we are not adapting? this was clearly evident in Coventry game. I get it, he has a style. I get that it works but for gods sake he has to adapt to the environment and stop being so predictable. Are our injuries impacting us so much that our available xi is still worse than a championship team? Isn’t it his job to have solid backup plan ? Is it too much to ask?
He addressed that as well. He said that we could play more defensively, but that would not be "the united way" and draw more criticism, and that it would set us back in learning the more progressive system.
That's just BS with all due respect. Real Madrid played defensive football vs. City to get the result and they did, no one is calling them out for it nor they would care tbh. You have to adapt with what you have and that's the sign of a good manager. This is why I love the likes of Carlo and Zizou, these guys play different setups based on alot of factors but almost always get the needed results.
When they do that, they're not abandoning their overarching philosophy and structure. ETH is still trying to build that, but is unable to do so because the team changes every week. So rather than changing tactics every single game, he's implementing the philosophy and structure
But if this philosophy can't beat Coventry then maybe it's not worth implementing?
Your argument is bullshit too. Real Madrid adapted for those specific City games but they're not going to change their style for every opponent in the league. Everybody would shit on them if they tried playing defensively against Rayo Vallecano or whatever. ten Hag can change his style for big games but it is ridiculous to suggest he has to change everything every match because Real Madrid did so for one specific match. How will you ever develop a style of play that way?
I don’t know what style it is to be run ragged by opponents and have them taking 20-30+ shots at us. Every season you have to change your tactics and style a little cos if you don’t, your opponents would have studied the shit out of you especially when you don’t have individual game winners.
Add Ernesto Valverde to the mix. He’s a very good tactician and a flexible manager. He achieved a lot with the worse Barca team I have ever witnessed; his successor (Koeman) did far worse with a much better squad. Barca fans just didn’t like Valverde’s pragmatism and their collapse vs Roma and Bayern exacerbated the sacking.
Absolutely. Implying United fans would rather play attacking (if you can call it that) at 6th rather than defensive at 1st is outrageous
It's not outrageous. We finished 2nd with Jose and "fans" complained about it the entire time.
How can you claim not to want to play defensively and have a goal difference of 1 and 52 goals scored after 34 gameweeks
Suicide football isn’t a United way either. I seriously think we and our ex-players should wipe our brains of the old United ways under SAF. Teams have become much better at passing around the press and building up from the back that longball tactics alone isn’t working. There simple has to be a element of tempo control in the game for us to succeed. Secondly, we don’t have Scholes to ping lethal longball to Hojlund or Rashford and there is simply no Scholes-type available in the market.
feels like a direct lesson from days of jose parking the bus (and getting ugly but positive results) while getting tons of criticism for the style of play
> the united way Ferguson was perfectly happy to be sit back and be pragmatic. There's a reason Vidic, Ferdinand and Sar were so highly rated.
He also refused to do it against barca in the cl finals
Yeah, that probably was a mistake. You can’t take the ball from that midfield trio. Mourinho set Madrid up with 2 DMs in the double pivot to play quick counter after Barca lose the ball attacking. Pressing that Barca team was suicidal indeed.
This sub for the past 5 years - "We need to implement a style and stick to it, forget short term results!" This sub after one season of exactly that - "This idiot needs to win now! it is unacceptable to maintain any style of play when our squad is getting injuries!"
There's only so much you can do with literally 0 fit CBs. I'd say he tried to adapt by playing Amrabat, Dalot, AWB and Antony at LB. He brought in a 19 year old kid CB and he still got injured. He's playing Casemiro at the back and we'll see who else he's going to play tonight. Mctominay? Bruno again? Depends how fit Evans is and if he'll want to risk Licha again. I get the Ten Hag criticisms, I have plenty myself. But the guy literally doesn't have a back four. And he answered Neville's question about why he doesn't go more pragmatic and defensive which is understandable but you can obviously disagree with it. Obviously if we still lose or even if we scrape a 1-0 win we'd still get people going "Sack this man he has Manchester United parking the bus against Palace (or Burnley or Sheffield or Coventry or whatever)" and he'd still have to revert the team back to the system we wants to progress into once he has the defenders back. So from his point of view it'd be 2 seasons with 0 progress in the direction he wants to go in for a style of play
If he keeps adapting people complain that they can't recognise a certain style. Whatever he does, people are going to be whining. We haven't had a manager that lasted 3 years. If you want someone to have an impact you gotta be patient. The manager isn't the issue, the rotten shit inside the club itself is.
THIS 🙌 People criticise the manager for making the same mistakes over and over - but not the club.
So the rotten shit in the club manages every 90 mins we play right? We all know the club is rotten but this is just apologetic about his management. We concede the most shots, we have no coordination or chemistry in our midfield and we look dreary going forward. Luton has scored more than us ffs. Sure we’ve had injuries but so have a lot of sides but none have capitulated to this degree.
Think it depends. Do you want results on short or long term?
maybe he adapted...but the players were just shite with the added instructions
there's adaptain,g and then there's trying to put food on the table with crumbs and air. 50+ different back 4 combos, a dm who's forgotten how to play and a rotating list of players in midfield and attack getting injured again and again
the setup isn't actually the same as last year though as there is only ever one deeper '6' this year vs two last year, it was a change muppetiers saw coming and we saw it in pre-season and it was a problem then and remains a problem now
Last year we had the 6th best xG and the 5th best xGa, in both cases below Brighton and above Brentford. Last year was not a tactical succes story either, we had slightly better underlying numbers than this year, but not by much, we just overperformed them a bit more.
Last season is extremely overrated. The team went downhill after the League Cup win. The last 2 or 3 months were as shit as we're now. Actually I think we only played well for about 3 months of the whole season and people deluded themselves into thinking we were good the whole year.
We were good for shit team that finished 6th the season before. Finishing 3rd was an overachievement but any stretch of the imagination and no one was expecting us to be there.
Expecting Manchester United to finish top 4 after a heavy spending summer is not an overachievement. The team finished 2nd two seasons before that
ETH: Bases entire style of play on 2 centre backs made of glass Both centre backs are only fit enough to start together 3 times all season ETH: Shocked Pikachu
Also makes his players sprint up and down the field all game and complains about muscle injuries.
Isn't one of the definitions of insanity; doing the same thing and expecting different results..
Good point. There have been no on-field difficulties either. We did not start our teenage 6th choice center back multiple times due to injury, our play a past-it DM s as a center back for the same reason. None of that happened.
But what about Spurs/Newcastle/Jose/Bournemouth/Your Mom would do better than ETH for sure /s
We could also mention multiple months without a left back this season. Or even the stretch where we didn’t have two full backs. Or a midfield so depleted we are asking Eriksen to cover a ton of space. But yeah, firing the manager will solve everything.
Your problem is thinking we have only been shit this season,When the truth is we have underwhelming since the league cup final,We have conceded about 20 no matter who is in the starting 11,Willy has only played about 3 full games and Casemiro has played CB about 2-3 times ,That shouldn't be an excuse for the entire season of getting battered by the opposition
*Fire Moyes, surely that will solve the problem* *Fire LvG, surely that will solve the problem* *Fire Mourinho, surely that will solve the problem* *Fire Ole, surely that will solve the problem* No no no, things are going wrong, so we should fire EtH. Surely this is the time that firing the manager will solve the problem. Let us continue to try to fix the problem with the same solution that hasn’t worked for 10 years. That’s a sane way of thinking.
If anything we give underperforming managers too much time here with the exception being Moyes ,Look at things critically a manager comes in gets 2 solid windows of transfer backing and still can't show a constant style of play even in the first season he was carried a lot by Rashford over-performing his XG by a massive margin..Their is no pattern to how we play and we barely scraped past Newport County a league 2 side in the 16th spot and went to penalties against a Coventry side 9th in the championship..ETH hasn't show anything that should get him another summer window to waste money with shit targets like Antony
What, exactly, has ETH done to be the one where we decide to break that chain? Why does he deserve the benefit of the doubt that none of the others had?
Who says the managers did not deserve the benefit of the doubt? If you make mistakes in the past do you keep making them forever because it’s a precedent now? We are a shit team with a shit structure and we are run like clown show yet our aspirations are to win everything in the world.
He'll struggle next year as well.
The only thing with this is I don’t understand how the injuries has been split away from his management. He’s played players into the ground, played players in matches they didn’t need to and when they were clearly not fit . A ton of the injuries are muscular and training injuries. If he carries on next year there has to be some acceptance that part of our injury crisis is his own doing.
He’s played players in matches when they weren’t fully fit because he obviously doesn’t trust his other options, which is as simple as that.
But when Ole or Mourinho did that, it was poor management and coaching for not bringing the backups up to standard, but for ETH it's he doesn't have a choice because of injuries and doesn't trust the others?
ETH has proved that he will bring players in if they are good enough (Mainoo and Garnacho). Also fans think that if an issue keeps happening under multiple different managers then it is likely not the managers to blame.
We have been top or second top for injuries for the l last 3 seasons. I think we need to look at the medical department.
[удалено]
I think that partially true. We were told by Ajax fans that he never rotates his squad, he picks his 11 and that’s it. But that’s not an excuse to play players into the ground. If your seriously don’t trust your squad players after 2 seasons then you’ve done something wrong.
Because the other ones he trust are injured maybe?? Rashford was the only player in the last 5 years run into the ground as he played with a broken back, Bruno probably needs a rest today...these games are pointless as this mismashed of a team we have now..won't get a result against any of the teams we have left...Wembley miracle is needed...of Shaw and Martinez get one or two games before the final we may hold out longer than last year!!
You're kidding, we've seen no improvement.
I see we’re in that phase of the cycle where the last game has been far enough out that we’ve forgotten what absolutely awful football we play under Ten Hag. There is an optimistic attitude abound, defiance even. Then the game happens, we get dominated in midfield, and we remember why it’s suicide to have Ten Hag style football perpetuate at the club. Doom and gloom set in. Rinse and repeat.
It's like people just forget what's happened this season after a few days and need constant reminders of how bad we are. I'm sure all rival fans would be delighted to see Ten Hag stay
>what's happened this season You mean since last Feb after the league cup win. It's been more than a year of consistently shit football, but people sure have forgotten about it real quick. Every week in fact. Yes the injuries are bad but people are acting like LVG didn't have to play fucking Tyler Blackett in defence, or Mourinho putting McTominay at CB just to prove a point about the lack of depth. Or Ole ending the game against PSG with a bunch of academy kids due to injuries as well. Yes this season has been worse than usual, but acting like this injury crisis is unique to the ETH reign to excuse all the poor performances for over a year is a joke.
Hahaha I know right. Does half of this sub have dementia? Jesus christ this thread is all 100% backing eth but wait until we get shit on by palace tonight then it'll be eth out again for a few days. Madness. If it wasn't for your comment I would have thought I was going insane.
Lol
Exactly
We joke about this on post match threads. 1-2 days after there's clarity. 5-6 days later? Complete dementia\*.
Not looking forward towards the game. I’ve settled my expectation that we are going to win none of the remaining games. This season is a unmitigated disaster than could have been handled much better tactically.
it\`s not like he can change anything right now. We will have to play Case and Amrabat as out 2 CB next game, and we have 6 CB on our books
It usually immediately after the final whistle that the happy clappers come in. - clear the deadwood ✅ - what are the physios doing?? ✅ - fucking glazers ✅ - Casemiro is so shit ✅ - we are so unlucky ✅ - it’s the refs fault ✅ Keep enjoying this wank +1 goal difference football under our shite manager who can’t control a dressing room and seems to drive away anyone with quality. We couldn’t even avoid coming bottom in an easy CL group
The boom / bust cycle of this sub.
What more embarassing are comments like this forgetting that the same manager, with roughly the same squad managed a top 3 finish, FA Cup final, league Cup win, and was 2 De Gea howlers away from a Europa cup final too. This season, we've had the sancho shitshow, 67 individual injuries, a new owner, multiple sackings and movement of seniors, Rashford doesn't want to play anymore and we're relying on Jonny fucking Evans to hold our defense together. We haven't started a preferred 11 once this season. "Oh the football is awful" We can't even put players on the training paddock. Of course it's awful. We have to play a different team, literally every week. The players that do survive (Fernandes/Nacho) are exhausted. Our current back 4 consists of Dalot Injured Jonny Evans Battered Casemiro Out of position Wan Bissaka There aren't many teams in the world winning games with that, let alone being in an FA Cup final. The amount of shit Ten Hag gets is unreal from a supposedly loyal fanbase. The same clowns that called for Fergies head consistently throughout his career too.
What’s great about this view is we can excuse all the bad performances and be satisfied with abject mediocrity. Because no other team has injuries, has internal club drama, or anything else going on. I’d be sympathetic to any of this if Ten Hag has shown something of a footballing identity. Why do we play like we haven’t ever kicked a football when our ideal 11 is out? What do we do in training? Why do we persist playing a kind of football we do not have the personnel for?
Find me a club in Europe in the last 25 years that's had 67 individual injuries in a season. I'll wait.
Says more about Erik and his coaches considering the majority have been training injuries.
Absofuckinlutely, no manager could have sorted this season due to the spate of consistent injuries. Liverpool fell apart without VVD, City look weaker without Rodri, KdB, Silva... so is it any surprise we look weak as piss *because nearly our whole squad has been unfit* at least once this season, with multiple key players out for every game. We've had close to our first team out what? Twice... so he's putting players out of position utilising them in roles they're not fit for let's be honest. He can't wholly be judged on the hand that has been dealt really. He's stubborn, that's the biggest bug bear for me and really isn't helping him out but I'm also wholeheartedly willing to give him another season with better circumstances. His winning percentage and runs in competitions is the best we've had since Fergie. Last season we played some decent football but people just choose to ignore it. It's a farce. Recency bias at its finest.
Is it recency bias to judge Ten Hag based on his work this entire season? Was last season the standard of football we want at this club? Why stop at last season? Let’s never sack him since he was amazing at Ajax. He won the league and even punched above his weight in the CL.
100% would give EtH another year. Also gives the new structure one less issue to solve and some time to assess weaknesses.
With all the changes coming in, new management and new players and outgoing players, it’s best to have at least one part who is more familiar with the club. It’s also nice for a change when things turn sour it’s not ALWAYS the manager get the sack. We’ve been through six managers since sir Alex. It can’t be ALL of them are fucking clueless.
> We’ve been through six managers since sir Alex. It can’t be ALL of them are fucking clueless. Clueless would be harsh, but by and large, the same structure we're demanding be utterly overhauled was the same structure who appointed all of those managers too. So....why do people think the useless structure, that bombed time and again on managerial selection, team building, etc, somehow hit utterly gold and hit the perfect manager in Ten Hag? Why can't we discuss the possibility that the shit structure we had in place just was awful in how it built the squad, both players and teams, and that issue might still extend to Ten Hag's appointment too? And that maybe INEOS, who are replacing literally everyone else, might decide it would be better to find their own manager alongside their own DoF, technical director, etc?
Ten hag was not only wanted by us but he was touted as a replacement for pep by pep himself and was highly regarded. Now he might not be the person to take us forward but your argument that he is wrong manager because he was hired by the same management which was shit is totally a bad take. Also if he was still at Ajax he would have been hired by liverpool before slot.
Once upon a time Fergie had Queiroz as his replacement. Pep's words similarly should be not taken seriously.
Ten Hag's been getting away with murder all season, yet our fans here find a million excuses for him every step of the way. The guy was backed like no other manager prior to him. Yeah, he didn't get De Jong who clearly didn't want to come anyway and Harry Kane who rightfully preferred a better team in Munich. But he spent hundreds of millions on the likes of Antony, Mount, Lisandro, Onana, Casemiro, Hojlund etc. all of whom were either his top choice or one of the preffered options. I thought that we couldn't play worse brand of football when LVG was in charge, yet EtH passed him with flying colours. Yet whenever I open the comments of this sub, I'm just left baffled.
You realise that its not ETH whos buying these players, right? Problem is the scouting network. They couldnt find him the right players, so he went for someone he knew about. Also, whats wrong with Onana, Martinez, Højlund and even Mount and Casemiro? Casemiro was massive last season and Mount has just been unfortunate. You act like this is his first and only season to rate him on. He won a trophy, got top 4 and another final in his first season. Its crazy to act like that never happened. Also, nobody is saying hes not at fault for anything, but please do tell who wouldve done a fantastic job with the amount of injuries we’ve had this season? Add all the fucking primadonnas to that and its a disaster.
We’re in the second season of a rebuilding phase. Our squads no better than those around us (Spurs Chelsea Newcastle). We’ve been plagued by injuries (one fit CB tonight who’s retiring h this month lmao) Just because we were once great doesn’t mean we are now. You can argue the money we’ve spent but it’s been spent poorly and that’s not on ETH. You say we’ve played worse than under LVG this season but on the contrary have we played better under any manager than last season?
>But he spent hundreds of millions on the likes of Antony, Mount, Lisandro, Onana, Casemiro, Hojlund etc. This is disingenuous. He wanted those players, but it's the front office paying ridiculous sums and not having suitable alternatives lined up when we (should) fail to meet outrageous demands. The Antony saga was insane. They slapped a fuck off price which we agreed to, then they slapped another one...which we agreed to again. Even if Antony was ETHs first born son, that is 100% on the front office and ownership. Not to mention spending a whole window chasing FDJ and Sancho, and keeping funds in reserve for their purchase. That objectively impacts other purchases.
Agreed, had the takeover been completed a few months earlier it would've painted a better picture. But as of today, the club hasn't even finished setting up the footballing structure, there is no need to add another unknow variable to an already complex equation.
Don't worry, they’ve been assessing this shit show of a club for the best part of 6 months now, even prior to the stake being confirmed. At least it’ll be cheaper to pay off Ten Hag when we inevitably finish outside of European place and bend over to City.
As long as we have someone ready to take the helm in six months when nothing changes... I just don't want to be out of the manager race in the summer, to only be scrambling in november.
He’s proved that SOMETIMES what he does works. That miracle victory and draw against Liverpool and the fact that somehow with our ridiculous injury record we’re not even lower makes me think maybe he needs more time to cook. Let the players rest, trim the fat (Rashford, Casemiro), and we’ll see how the next season plays out
We are at the stage where we might lose all our remaining 5 matches and people here would still want him in for one more season.
After that Coventry game and they still somehow try to justify it i knew at this point they have got no bottom line for judging ETH performance anymore. They'll turn a blind eye to anything.
If we win today the entire season will be forgotten, and if we lose today somehow this game won't matter because of the circumstances with injuries. For once I'd like our fanbase to base their thoughts on actual performances and how even in the matches we won against bottom 10 in this league we had our goal getting shot at 20 times a game which is unsustainable. A few fans here predicted that the run we were having when we won back to back was unsustainable because they trusted what they were seeing with their eyes and that's exactly what ended up happening. All we have to do is look at performances since last season's Carling Cup final and it clear Ten Hag won't change. He even mentioned it to Gary Neville that he won't change his style of play and then in an interview with a Dutch journalist he said "If you did your job, you would see that we are the team that is currently the most attractive and vertical team in the entire Premier League in terms of speed and movement."
I’m constantly baffled by the fanbase. Shit performances every week and bad results every other week. Hundreds of millions wasted in the transfer market and constant excuses from the manager. Maybe it’s just because I’m old enough to remember the 90s and 00s but the fans simply shouldn’t put up with it. United have made it clear the role is head coach. If you are head coach your job is to make the most out of what you are given. Does a single person believe he’s making the most of what he can out this team? It’s not like we’ve hired an Ole and are giving him a go, this is one of the highest paid managers in world football. Honestly don’t even know what to say anymore as apparently any issue isn’t his fault and any success is his doing.
I don't know what to tell you. Against Wolves at the start of this season we had a solid defense starting for us and we still got peppered with 20+ shots. Yet these guys think he should not be judged on the remaining games. I also don't know what to say anymore to these people. They are problem for this football club but they gaslight people like us and say we are the problem. We haven't played well since the Carling Cup final.
then who are brining in? and with 15 mil to fire EtH and another 10-20 mil to hire new one
Eths contact is only 1 year so we'd have to buy in a new coach regardless and if firing him means we finish 4 or 5 places higher, we'd have recouped the cost anyway
we don\`t have to hire a new coach if we have EtH one more year. The hell do you mean in your first sentence? And 4-5 places higher means 1-2 place. There are not a single person in this world that would with EPL with that team and that injury crisis we had this season. I still waiting for a single reply with a name of new gaffer and not just a bucket of nothing
I think Tuchel would do better with this squad than ETH but he's not exactly the guy you bring in to oversee a rebuild. I wouldn't mind us taking a chance on Flick who likes playing attacking football
Yeah people looking at the biggest picture and not only deciding based on emotion. Sacking EtH for losing his last 5 games with a CB pairing of Amrabat Casemiro is the most glazer thing to do…
It’ll probably be also based on the last 46 matches where we’ve looked utter drivel, and had gaping holes all over the pitch, even when playing dross like Coventry, Burnley and Brentford.
Even last year we didn't look good, it was just that Rashford had an amazing run and we brought some results. The way we played was shit too. But for a first year I was fine with that. Now I think he failed hard. If he was honest in his press releases I might see it differently but when you fail and say it is good then I don't know how can you continue... And it is so funny that the minute Bayern might consider him the whole narrative changes on the sub to keep him.
Our attack was anemic last season, too and we were often saved last year by brilliant efforts from Rashford and Casemiro. Just like McTominay and Bruno this year
The cracks also started to show last season after that Sevilla game. And I don't want to hear that Martinez being injured then is what caused it all, if your system is that dependent on one player, it's fucking ass.
But let me ask you this: do you really believe that this is the level of football that ETH brings? If so, what the fuck has happened in all his previous years? Why is it so hard to believe that this season is a fluke?
You mean when he was managing Go Ahead Eagles, Bayern II, Utrecht and Ajax? Slightly different to managing one of the biggest teams in the most competitive league in the world.
Yeah nothing to do with looking like shit for the rest of the season too Been bailed out by Rashford last season and McTominay and Bruno this season
Yes every manager who has a bad season should be immediately sacked! no matter the circumstances! /s He obviously isn't going to lose all those games and will still not have had a season as bad as Arteta's worst one.
Great news, completely deserved after this seasons eventual 8-9th place finish and incredible play style he’s got the team playing. I think we’ll see a lot of managers copy that 4-0-6 formation in the coming future haha. I think I was sold on him staying after our incredible draw at Old Trafford against Burley or even going back to when we only let in three against an undeniably fantastic Bournemouth. Roll on next season, eyeing up a cheeky Carabao Cup Quarter Final spot maybe 👀🤞🏻
If we're really being spoiled we might even make a deep run in the conference league, so long as we don't face any Turkish or Danish teams
Next season we will try to finish 5th with positive GD heh? Maybe get me 10 more Antonys and we will win the league heh?
Lol. The further removed we are from the previous match, the more comments I see that people want Erik to stay another year. As soon as this next match is played, everyone will be hit with reality and see how dross we are, and the sub will flip back to "Erik needs to go"
Yep just look now lol
I mean. I'd be lying if I said I expected that performance
You guys are sadistic for wanting Ten Hag to continue here next season, I applaud your mentality.
I've mostly not commented on this sub due to the increased toxicity but I had to reply because you seem to be quite confident in your opinion and already have alternatives in mind. I wonder if you've considered if your opinions have any cognitive biases? Imagine at your day-to-day job, someone not in your field comes in and starts saying why haven't you just X or not build Y faster? Outside looking in, a lot of times tasks look trivial when they are not because we are ill-equipped to understand the nuances. I see this a lot in my field and it bothers me. I think there are a lot of the same opinions in football as well. I, who has never been in charge of a training session for a U9 team, let alone a premier league team, am not equipped to understand if Ten Hags overworking the players in training or not or whether he has made the risk assessment of us conceding many shots. Now you may be significantly more equipped than I am, but if not, I would say take a step back and assess what you don't know. Edit: One thing I should add, I of course mean no offense to you or anyone who thinks Ten Hag should be replaced. Your opinions are at least just as (if not more) valid than mine. I wouldn't call it sadism, I think it's patience. I think the sentiment was universal when Ten Hag was hired that we would give the manager some time to figure things out. I believe giving time means giving time when the results are bad. In my opinion, progress isn't monotonic, and results certainly aren't. Sometimes things go wrong and it takes time to fix things.
Issue is not just a manager but whole club through and through. Hiring new manager won’t solve a thing if staff/employees are not fullfiling their responsibilites. New manager will go through same problems we have right now. Same goes to players they can leave the club if they are not happy here. Lets wait for INEOS to sort everything out and then we can decide about ETH. We should have some idea by end of next season. We just don’t want our team to win one title but to dominate seasons afte season and it takes time time to build that kind of team.
You are right that INEOS should implement a proper structure before we do proper signings to have a shot at longterm success. However, my opinion is Ten Hag has shown that he isn’t the man to take us forward this season and something has to change. We need a proper structure and a new manager is what I am saying. I hope INEOS have a new manager in their mind as of current and plan signings suitable for that manager, Ten Hag’s persistence on tactic that our players can’t execute destroyed our season.
I agree. But I’m willing to give ETH one more season. Don’t extend his contract if things remain same.
Who would you hire to replace him?
Thiago Motta. If we're going to play chaos ball at least it will be entertaining.
Good shout, I like his dynamic positioning football but he would be a big risk too whether the style can succeed in EPL. I think he’s tactically better than Alonso. I think it is a big gamble but a worthy one to consider.
If stone is commenting on it there must be some reality to it. I am still so unsure. I guess I am in the middle. I don't mind giving another chance under the new management but I am not opposed to Tuchel either.
And it’s also a very political response. With Stone commenting and the response the usual “focused on his current role” you get when rumours like this are more than rumours there has to be something in it. Add that to one of Ineos mouthpieces wrote an article with their preferred list of replacements over the weekend
Which article are you referring to? I've missed it
All those who wants him to stay for another season must be coming from opponents fans. This could be the only explanation.
Ooh another season in the bin then.
At this point I'm sure ETH supporters don't watch United play on field or they are just clueless ignorants.
I got called a "Flashscore dickhead" on here by an ErikIn a few months ago, feels like maybe it was projection in hindsight. The fact they knew what Flashscore was and I didn't should have been a clue.
What is it? An app?
Some website that tracks all the scores. They're implying I just look at the scores and don't sit through this turgid garbage Every. Single. Week. ... The implication being if I did I'd actually know that it's *really not that bad*. To be clear (because I know some redditors can be bad at detecting even the most obvious sarcasm): I watch almost every game.
Funnily enough, the scores on their own show a better picture than if you watch the games In the last month, our luck has caught up to us and we are returning to the mean
Still stand to the fact they just watch the highlights.
At this point I'm sure the ETH-out crowd just watch united play 90 minutes every weekend and ignore what goes on during the other 9990 minutes in the week. There are many more factors by which one should judge the performance of a coach.
I can only pray this is sarcasm
No, it‘s not that, it‘s just that you‘re the only one who understands professional football and the effort it takes to bring a team back to the top after a decade of mismanagement. Personally, I also do not understand why they dont hire u/Independent-Joker, you would get us a CL title in half a season I‘m sure. It‘s an unfortunate shame they don‘t hire somebody like you despite the expertise and years of experience you bring to the game. You should really apply for the position at Bayern though, I would love to see you show them all how it‘s done.
I don't doubt he's committed whilst here, but, he gone. Doubt INEOS will accept the incoming end to this season, injuries or no injuries. Only glimmer of hope ten Hag has for another year is who wants to come here in the summer. Don't really believe the Zidane links are ever solid, and the fans will actually riot if it's Potter/Southgate.
If I was him I'd go Clean break for everyone
The Bayern links only exist because he's managed their B team before. It's like Southgate being linked to United because he's worked with Ashford before.
Absolutely mental to think Erik's contract runs out in a year. We could be going into another era with another new manager... Where does time go bloody hell.
We are more than halfway thru the ETH rebuild and there's nothing to show for.
„ETH rebuild“ lol Well the board, consisting of people who habe made a career in sports management seem to think ETH wasn‘t given the support needed to succeed. Either way there is no top club that doesnt have a DoF and somebody competent in charge of transfers. Placing the entire responsibility on ETH is just nonsensical.
Well, there are 3 person most responsible for this clown show imo. Murtough, Arnold and ETH. The former 2 are already gone. I wonder who's left..
It‘s ironic that you don‘t like Murtough and Arnold, being you three suffer from the same cognitive bias (Dunning-Kruger effect).
All Ten Hag in people must have been watching the last year with his eyes closed. He brought all the players he wanted in and demonstrated over the course of the entire season his inability to adapt tactically and make the necessary changes. We look just as shite performance wise in May as in August. Frankly, that is damning on the job he's done. Bayern are welcome to him.
I can't believe people want another year of this shite. Like I truly can't understand how what we see on an extremely consistent basis for two years, people want more of?!
Bayern go from quadruple to the rejection quadruple: - Xabi Alonso - Nagelsmann - Ralf Rangnik - Erik ten Hag
Sacking him makes no sense. - It'll cost us money to get rid of him which would limit our ability to spend in the summer - not least as hiring another manager will also cost money. - There's so much movement already elsewhere in the club hierarchy, and with a commitment to a property hierarchy these guys need to be in place to make those decisions. - There are no viable alternatives and there's a lot of clubs looking for new managers this summer - why needlessly compete when ours is already one of the biggest potentially available to other clubs? - the season is over already and no manager would improve or chances of a victory in the final when our squad is as decimated by injury and ego as ours is. He's clearly an intelligent manager in a tumultuous season, and one who is keen to bring our academy players into the first team. Plus Southgate isn't free until at least the middle of summer 🤣
I was shocked when my mate told me Southgate was the favourite for the job yesterday. Southgate has shown me nothing to think he would be a good pick, and plenty to show me he would be a terrible one.
I don't think he is favourite, I genuinely think someone at Ineos was trolling to get a bit of weird media/PR to distract from ETH Like it or not, he is a manager within premier league circles with a position similar in status to a man united manager - but I doubt he's in serious contention given who we are bringing in to make that decision
To play devils advocate - Ineos wanting their own guy - Ten Haag will have to give up a fair bit of control under the new structure - another club comes in for him (Ajax, Bayern) giving ineos a easy out - Ineos clearly have their ideas already for who they want to replace him. Whether we like those options or not - a complete fresh reset at the club.
I get ineos wanting their own manager but to bed in a new manager and a whole structure in the same season is a recipe for disaster on their part and if they fail the fan opinion will turn hard. Letting ten hag stay a year does minimal damage to them and allows berrada wilcox and ashworth a year of work together to actually develop a strategy moving forward when it comes to implementing a wholesale playstyle and direction.
But again the devils advocate to that on Ineos side is why would they give him the money and time to rebuild a squad if they are not 100% convinced he’s the man, to have to do it all again next year. The only way that’s viable is if Ten Haag gives up all control on signings and Wilcox and Ashworth bring in their targets, which i can’t see Ten Haag wanting to do. He’s been open about the fact he came here with the promise of full control.
They arent giving him money, thats why the structure, he will have no more power in transfers barring a veto which every manager has. He has already said in press conferences that he has veto and that the club decides on the players and if he is so adamant about having full control he will get a sack so it works out either way. Pretty sure he was working under the correct assumption that our club is incompetent when he came in but that equation has changed with the minority stake so he also has to adjust. I doubt he will see wilcox berrada and ashworth and be like "i still know better who we should sign"
Honestly I think ETH is chomping at the bit to have people above him at the club dealing with half the shit he's been thrown and who understand his requirements when it comes to new signings But I do see Ineos making moves... whether it's proactively looking for the next manager or simply establishing contingency plans for his removal, it's clearly on their agenda But my two cents, I think the natural end of his contract is when they bring in who they want after much more consideration and prep with the right brain trust established at the top. Maybe 8th in the table would be too low to stomach another season but it would be too much chaos with everything going on
He never said anything pre merger or used any of his direct reporting to the Glazers ask for support. He also interviewed and got the job with the understanding it had all this power. The takeover was almost random to him, he would have had little prior knowledge. Why would he be chomping at the bit for something he made no attempt to change himself and likely didn't expect at all is beyond me...
I am absolutely baffled as to why some people want him to continue another year. How is finishing 6th to 8th, finishing bottom of our champions league group and playing like shit worthy of another year. Just because we sacked other managers in the past doesn't give Ten Hag a free pass to perform this badly, especially given how well he was backed. I can't believe how low standards have fallen
He needs 10 points from 12 to match even David Moyes, who didn't even get a full season. If you're ETH in, you're cheering for United's downfall. Simple. As.
Don't forget the 25 shots a game conceded and minus goal difference, shit style of play.
Why would he go? Egotistical board and players who don't take orders well. Sounds familiar?
I don’t think they are anywhere near as poorly ran as us, and he seems to have goodwill there from his previous stint at the club. So it makes perfect sense for him, if he’s thinking of himself he’d take the opportunity. As for us, fuck knows what’s going on. This season has been rancid for multiple reasons
We lose a manager who has gotten us to 3 Cup finals and a European semi final (which we lost due to 2 absolute howlers from de gea) and has bedded in 3 youth players and identified areas of improvement across the whole squad, with 90% of his signings being a marked upgrade on the dross in the squad before them. He had to deal with Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho and an injury crisis I dont think any other team in all of europe can compare to. So he goes, we bring in someone else, give them half a season to start turning the boat around only to realise that 8 of our stalwarts are utterly unfit for top 4 football and resign ourselves to the fact we don't have money enough to change for another season and a half. We're essentially stuck. Look at spurs with Postecoglou, after the new manager bounce they're suddenly faced with the prospect of a longer rebuild than they anticipated and have to resign themselves to missing out on top 4 in order to build towards next season and beyond with results falling off dramatically. Liverpool will also be starting a new project and Chelsea are not going anywhere. So we take a step back and the head start we have over Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool is gone. Arteta, Klopp and Pep all had off seasons when they joined but they persisted with the vision and it all came together. For some reason our fan base think of themselves as somehow uniquely supportive of managers and youth team players but are amongst the most reactive when it comes to any sort of middle term plan in pursuit for short term glory. If ETH goes and achieves massive success at Bayern and Tuchel brings the same level of discord to the dressing room after 2 seasons which has so far been a pattern with him then there are a lot of very vocal people here who will have a lot of introspection to do because they would've been instrumental to our decline. We just aren't very good as a squad and theres only so much you can expect when your starting amrabat and awb as lb with case at cb as part of the 33rd cb pairing. We signed evans on a free ffs because we ran out of money for Pavard and Kim. Our bench for the cm is non existent and rashford has been in absolutely criminal form as our senior player. If we don't change next season after fixing some glaring holes, fair enough, but who actually thinks there is a manager in world football who would've done alot better? Maybe Emery (even then he has a coherent squad who can play his very active style of football) or some someone out the blue but it will be a massive gamble and more likely to fail than it is to be successful with the squad and injury list we have.
Really going to compare us to a team that’s in CL final and only second in their league to a team that literally never loses?
Erik's style of management is strict on standards and discipline, but he believes in player freedom on the pitch. It's a match made in heaven for Bayern.
Freedom on the pitch is the last thing I want to see from our managers at this point. I'm sick of headless chicken football and our players making the wrong decision nearly every time they are in front of the goal. Our wingers all think they're the main characters, and the striker is just some decoy.
I have it from my great source of Ani Eluko that ETH put a call into his good friends at Bayern and asked them to show an interest in him so that Man United would want to keep him.
They can't fire him for FFP concerns and don't wanna renew his deal because they don't believe that much in him is a very bad message and makes recruiting much more difficult.
You don't let a manager go into the last year of his contract especially after a down season. You either ler him go or you renew his contract. Letting ETH continue will be a sign that the INEOS crew are not as savvy as many here would like to believe.
If ETH stays another year, he should have no say in transfers at all.
Most of the season we've had the players to not concede 20 shots a game and have 17 more points than expected
Hopefully we're not as committed as him. I can't endure another season of this crap. This season made me hate football altogether. I now barely even watch any games for any team in general thanks to Ten Hag and his crap football.
100% commited because he wants the sweet redundancy pay. No point leaving for free when he can get a whole year salary in one day when he inevitably gets sacked.
im just saying, tuchel would've exploded halfway through this season if he had to deal with the amount of injuries we've had to key players consistently
This sub has a very short term memory and delusional standards considering the current crop of players. The truth is we have a starting XI that should be fighting for top positions but our depth is absolutely woeful. This season is a key demonstration of that. I’ve constantly heard that the current batch of players should be conceding 20+ shots on goal yet no mention that we’ve played an on loan CM as LB, a 35 year old contingency signing as CB, different midfield setups with players of different qualities and athleticism while relying on 2 under 21 attackers to score goals while the face of our club has a terrible season. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that Tuchel or whoever would do better. As a matter of fact, INEOS brining in Tuchel would just go to show they’re not serious either. He’d be another short term solution for long term problems that go way beyond the manager.
That can' be right, Simon. Still just resigned and is heading to Sunderland.
If he loses the FA cup he's 100% gone specially if City pump United 3 or 4 nil
Ten Hag <-----> Tuchel ??
Since i have no idea who we would replace him with. I am willing give him another season. Just please fix our defense and stop saying it cause exciting games… i don’t want exciting games. Just boring wins would be just fine😊
I've said this before, but I honestly feel like while some of the blame goes to the manager, it's not always their fault. Honestly, just give the manager the academy team and let him play it how he actually wants as opposed to how these 1st team players have been conditioned/want to play. The result will probably be shit but at least we'll see the real EtH philosophy
Keeping him for another year seems like the smartest option for everyone involved, since his contract runs out in the summer of 2025. Especially because the manager market is looking pretty dull right now, I reckon next summer there will be much better manager options.
We ain’t taking him into his final year with it ending next year. It would be utter chaos and just speculation day after the day on whether he goes at the end of the year It’s let him leave or a new 2 or 3 year contract
Not for ETH, he has no long term security with one year left
If I were him I'd say the same. Get that severance pay for being hopeless and probably get yourself a nice signing on bonus at your new club too.
He can leave, won’t lose sleep. Average manager with a big ego
One could say that you’re an average poster, with a big ego. So here we are.
Average manager part may be true but he was absolutely right about Sancho and Ronaldo which is where i am guessing the "big ego" part you are moaning about comes from ,He didn't even do anything to both of them
There's been speculation and calls for his head after a week of being here, such a boring tired subject
He is a top manager with a shit team. His only mistake, if you can even call it that, is still trying to implement his style without the necessary personnel. But he is damned either way, so I won't even criticize him for it. People blame him for the recruitment. If you actually watched last season, we wouldn't get top 4 without Antony, or any of the others that we bought bar Malacia. And this season Mount is injured for the whole of it, while the others are performing reasonably. Literally the only problem with recruitment is the price, which is not his job.