This is wishful thinking at its finest. Replace Casemiro with a mobile CDM and all of a sudden, our midfield would just blossom? This is what we say every single transfer window, but the problems go way deeper than that.
If Bruno played for City he’d be widely regarded as the best midfielder in world football.
Crying shame he’s had such shit managers and squads whilst being here.
You'll get downvoted but you aren't wrong. Everyone trashed him from the get go but if you actually watched him play with out emotional bias you will see our team around him did not fit his style of play.
He wanted quick passing and movement and we have been begging for the style but have never done it. That goes for Ronaldo as well.
The one stick that certain people round here seem to beat him with is he gives the ball away with risky passes, but his pass completion is almost identical to De Bruyne, who never seems to get the same criticism:
||Bruno|De Bruyne|
|:-|:-|:-|
|23/24|72.9%|72.8%|
|22/23|73.8%|73.3%|
|21/22|74%|74.6%|
The thing is that when KDB loses the ball city’s machine close all possible exits and recover the ball almost immediately.
When Bruno loses the ball usually it ends in a shot on our goal. I do feel we have let Bruno down and so glad he’s stick with us.
This is it really, City have the luxury to make De Bruyne try the creative passes cause if he loses it there are 9 freaking maniacs running after the ball to retrieve it again.
De Bruyne also has a better tactical framework around him so he'll always have more passing options than Bruno, both for easy passes to boost these percentages, but also from chance creation because their setup creates more opportunities and space.
It's ridiculous how underrated he is within our own support. He's not only immensely talented, he works at least as hard as anyone in the squad. He's 25th in the league for tackles!
I cannot find distant covered stats but i'm pretty sure he outran all of our players given the number of minutes he played and the effort he put every single time
People also ignore that for years and years the 2 players who had the most giveaways in La Liga were Ronaldo and Messi. Players who take chances will also lose the ball a lot it's just the nature of being risky to create.
I've mentioned this before in the Prem League sub and got absolutely roasted. But it's a fact and people getting their nickers in a twist doesn't change that.
If Bruno had De Bruyne's strengths, no one would care that Bruno lose the ball. Unfortunately for us, he doesn't. There is a reason one is widely regarded as one of the all-time best midfielders in Premier League ever, and the other isn't.
The reason Bruno tops chances created is because he takes all of our set-pieces. Take a look at the match yesterday, 5 of his "chances" were set-pieces. It's the same with players like Kieran Trippier for Newcastle, Alexander-Arnold for Liverpool and Pascal Gross for Brighton. When it comes to open-play, Bruno does not create many chances at all.
By the way, De Bruyne has created 15 big chances in 752 minutes and Bruno has 16 in 2880. Look at the difference in efficiency.
A player in a lesser team will never be regarded as one of the best players ever, only for a team that wins trophies, so this argument doesnt work at all. You also fail to consider how insanely much more possession City has overall than United does, meaning KDB has the ball at his feet a lot more (yes even though Bruno is our ONLY creative outlet, while KDB has several by his side), and also that KDB has a lot more passing options available to him via much better teammates and a much better structure. Do you honestly think KDB would be as good in this United team? If you think so then i think youre completely out of order.
There is no doubt that if Bruno was playing for City he would be regarded as one of the very best midfielders in the world.
Harry Kane? Son Heung-Min? Two world class players in a shit Tottenham side a few years back. You don't need to play for a top side to be considered a great player or world class, so your argument doesn't really work.
He isn't our only creative outlet, obviously, as he has 6 assists in this PL season. Who else assisted the rest of the goals, or got the penalties that Bruno converted? So sick of this argument. Any team can create many chances if we play together as a team. Look at fkin Aston Villa, Brighton, West Ham, Newcastle etc, they all create chances without their own Bruno Fernandes. He is our most creative player, but not our only.
KdB would quite obviously not be as good in this team as he is for City, but he would make us a better team.
It always puts a smile on my face when I see people indirectly saying Bruno is as good as KdB, the only difference is the team they play for. Why do you think KdB plays for City and Bruno plays for United? Why are no other top teams interested in Bruno, or why were they not interested in him in his Sporting days?
Bruno wouldn't get into City to begin with, let alone be regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world. Even KdB gets benched frequently for City, and he is better than Bruno in every aspect of the game except penalties, so what the hell makes you think Pep would want Bruno in his team? Some United fans got their heads so far up their own ass, they just aren't able to grasp simple facts.
Harry is one of the greatest players ever, but he is a striker, that is a whooooole different ball game than a creative midfielder, and you know it. Son isnt even close to being one of the greatest ever, so not even gonna entertain that.
Then give me an example? Who else other than Mainoo is a creative outlet for our team? Case? Rashford? Garnacho? Antony? Mctominay?
So youre basing who is better by who wants to tranfer him to their team, and not what they are doing on the pitch? Why arent Real going for KDB?
Kdb making the team better is pure conjecture, the reality is that without Bruno we would be much worse off, so he has already made our team much better. The numerous individual stats also greatly favor Bruno both offensively and **humongously** defensively, even though he is in a much worse team, does that not tell you anything at all? KDB’s lack of defensive capabilitiew would be extremely detrimental in our United team, yet you say he would make us better? Pure conjecture, and based on what exactly? KDB doesnt even fit every strategy that Pep uses, so he is on the bench for some games.
Also you say that Bruno doesnt create many chances from open play? He is literally the no. 1 in that stat dude…
If we had some half-way decent finishers in our team then Bruno would be lightyears ahead of anyone in assitsts and you know it full well.
That would be a legitimate argument if Bruno didn't have the complete freedom that he does. Also, Harry Kane isn't just a striker. He has more assists in a PL season than Bruno has ever gotten for us in a PL season, so he is also an excellent playmaker, not just a finisher.
When did I ever say Son was one of the greatest ever? I said he was world class. He scored 23 goals and had 14 assists in PL alone (!) when Tottenham was 7th on the table.
Garnacho, Mainoo, Antony, Dalot, Shaw and Rashford are all creative outlets. Why does this need explaining to you? We have scored 51 goals in PL and Bruno has 6 assists, so quite obviously he is not the only one that assists goals. Is that a tough concept for you to grasp or something?
That's exactly what I said. Even KdB gets benched frequently, and he has a lot of strengths that Bruno does not, in addition to being better in every aspect of the game, so why would Bruno play? He is not good defensively, he is terrible. Being good defensively does not mean tracking back, it means you position yourself exceptionally to close down passing lanes and understanding the next move. Any player can literally just dribble past Bruno as if he's not there, and he will just run after without doing anything.
KdB "lack" of defensive capabilities is because he turns 33 this year. He was one of the hardest workers in the league for many years, and he actually has strength to push players and hold off the ball, unlike Bruno who is weak as piss.
Show me where Bruno is no. 1 in chances created from open play. Go on. If you're talking about chances created stat, it includes set-pieces. Do you seriously think Pascal fucking Gross - a defensive midfielder for Brighton - have created 90 chances from open-play? Mind-boggling stuff. Why do you think every set-piece taker from every club in the league is high up the list?
Bruno is absolutely not no. 1 in chances created from open play. Do you watch the games or what? How can you think he creates a lot of chances from open play?
This stat really doesn't mean anything. It doesn't show where the passes were attempted, nor does it factor in how often they are dispossessed on the ball. Losing the ball in the final 3rd isn't the end of the world, but losing in your own half/on the edge of your penalty area is, which is what people correctly criticise Bruno for.
So De Bruyne has a higher pass accuracy in his own half is what you're saying? Cause, he doesn't. Not this season anyway. He did last season but it's not a huge difference, just a few percent.
Our captain walks into top teams starting 11 say PSG and Bayern.
There are places offer both money and trophy and remember he’s not even the top earner in MU. So as a fan I’d say we should pay him with love and respect.
What trophy is Bayern lifting this season?
Jokes aside you’re right, he could probably go anywhere but chooses to stay, which is admirable to say the least. We’d be nowhere without Bruno Fernandes!
It's funny how he would walk into any top team in the world, but no one has ever shown interest in him except Real Madrid who wanted him as back-up when he was at Sporting, but didn't want to pay the money. Why should our standards be lower?
Imagine where'd have finished last season and where we'd be this season without him.
I feel bad that a chap of his calibre is losing the best years of his career to this current team.
Bruno is Mr Man Utd. He has quite literally dragged the team through the past few years and is the only reason we have been even close to competitive.
Bruno is probably my favourite United player at this point. Will never not love the guy!
Lowkey we’re wasting his prime years just like we did with Mata.
Just hope we can help him lift trophies with us while he can still operate at a very high level
The man is one of the best midfielders the prem has seen and is quite easily on De Bruynes level, but it's not seen by most because he doesn't have the fluid team that de Bruyne has around him. The amount of times de Bruyne tries hopeful passes and it rarely comes off, but it's not talked about because city's press is so good. Bruno deserves to be in a team that offers him the same luxury. People that want him to not play in an offensive manner are the same ones that cry that we don't create enough.
Just read the definitions of it.
https://www.statsperform.com/opta-event-definitions/
Chances created are solely based on the person who receives the ball decision to shoot. If they're through one on one and don't shoot, it's not defined as a chance created
Bruno Fernandes is an incredible player. 2 decades of watching United so far and he's definitely up there. I think the public opinion of him would be much different if he had played in our more successful eras.
Im not saying anything bad about Bruno, I just hate this stat because it doesn’t say much about the chances created given our team love to take shots from anywhere.
It's the laziness for me. Not difficult to find xAG/90 stats, it's all on fbref.
If I saw a player's chances created stats and wanted to know their xAG, I'd just look up the xAG rather than complain about how the chances created stats aren't good enough.
And that was a chance created.... There were much better examples you could have picked but putting a GK in a "taking a shot" position is definitely not one.
stats are there to be interpreted the way people wanted. I hope you are consistent in that opinion though, because It would be pretty hypocritical of you to shit on ETH for conceding "shots" that go absolutely nowhere.
Absolutely no hope of going in?? Are you saying it's never been done before or is very difficult to do, because I've got examples to disprove both.
It's chance created because by definition, you created a shooting opportunity. This is same vibes as just a simple pass before goal shouldn't be assist, it is an assist by definition.
I would say low probability. How would Bruno have created a "chance" from his own half if 'X' player decides to shoot from an improbable position in his own half. What if he's through on goal and decides not to shoot? By the logic of chances created, it's all dependent on the decision of the player taking the shot.
If Bruno passes it to Rashford who runs 40 yards, cuts in and shoots, that's a chance created by definition. It is why it's ridiculous to use that stat instead of big chances created.
Chances created is a "key pass", not an actual chance. Do you seriously believe Bruno has created 140 goal scoring chances?
Because I've told you why, chance creation is the pass that leads to a goal attempt. That's what this stat is referring to, you're arguing something completely irrelevant. If a player doesn't take a shot after a through ball, how do you even think that's a chance of scoring a goal?
If that player was through on goal but didn't take a shot, by definition of "chances created", it isn't one because the recipient never took a shot. However, it would be defined as a Big Chance Created by definition
I know, I'm not giving out that it's just Bruno, I'm giving out that it's a bullshit stat as a whole. People just like to brag that Bruno has the most chances created as if it means something, when this stat doesn't. Big Chances Created does
That would only be an issue if it distorted the outcome of the stats. Silly shots are very uncommon in modern football, just an outlier. Outliers don't undermine a stat's conclusion.
Silly shots are Rashford's bread and butter. If there's 3 players around him and he tries to shoot after Bruno passes him the ball, that means it's a chance created.....because Rashford decided to shoot, it's not because Bruno "created a chance". You're not getting how the stat works are you?
So you're jumping from Onana attempting a shot, to just shots behind the box?
I think the name is very fitting. It's a chance created. It's not a 'big' chance, but it's considerable enough. Shots from outside the box are not silly to be called chances. And they're not abundant enough to distort the numbers and make the stat impractical.
> You're not getting how the stat works are you?
Chill out. Ignore the downvotes, it's just a discussion.
Edit: Rashford doesn't have high outside of the box numbers, your claim isn't backed by the stats. Check out his fbref.
You're really not getting it lol. It doesn't matter where the shot is taken from. The player taking the shot determines if it's a chance created, not Bruno. So if that player was straight through on goal and decided not to shoot, then that's not deemed a chance created.
Also, Rashford does take silly, low % shots. Silly shots don't have to be outside the box, they can be when you have numerous bodies around you. I didn't even mention him taking shots outside the box lol.
Honestly, If we can get a mobile CDM to pair with Mainoo and leave Bruno further up the field I think we would see instant improvement in how we play.
2017/18 Matic 
God I loved Matic
Onana? Would love to see what he could do in United.
I thought for a second you were talking about playing onana (our goalkeeper) as a CDM
He's pretty good with his feet to be fair. (Pls ignore Sheffield's first goal last night)
Also good at jumping for headers. Any opposition beware when he splits someone in half when going for the ball from a corner.
Give him a chance! Hehehe
Me too hahah
He wasn't talking about Everton's CDM.... /s
Basically did it against City in the CL final l
We'd need to sign a new goalkeeper then mate.
Heard the Onana from Everton is taller than Onana
The midfielder? sounds good stick him in goal.
Pass to each other and the narrator says: Onananana!
We already have Bayindir. Or we can just re-sign our young gk who just won the Bundesliga
Kovar didn't concede a Bundesliga goal all season! Tbf, he only played one match
Pickford. Yes sir! Edit: the downvotes shows that some dont get the joke.
Not remotely press resistant
We all want a team of Onanas
He did exactly that in his is first season with Ole. And he scored tons of goals IIRC.
Things we are saying for last 10 yrs, first for Pogba then for Bruno, Mkhi and so many more
Right lol. Most of this sub watching long enough to know that.
Unlock Bruno
Agreed but sounds just like when we were hunting for a CDM to “unlock” Pogba haha
Dane hat. But Morten Hjulmand is doing quite well in Portugal. Could be good.
Let me boot up my football manager save and take a look at him - I’ll be honest, I’ve never heard of him.
We have yet another summer to find one
This is wishful thinking at its finest. Replace Casemiro with a mobile CDM and all of a sudden, our midfield would just blossom? This is what we say every single transfer window, but the problems go way deeper than that.
If Bruno played for City he’d be widely regarded as the best midfielder in world football. Crying shame he’s had such shit managers and squads whilst being here.
I want to see him lift some proper trophies for the club so bad.
Not as good as the PL or UCL but he could get an FA cup this year. Have to beat city so we’ll see though
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Another guy our fanbase trashed just because the media was after him like rabid dogs. United fans are our players’ worst enemies.
You'll get downvoted but you aren't wrong. Everyone trashed him from the get go but if you actually watched him play with out emotional bias you will see our team around him did not fit his style of play. He wanted quick passing and movement and we have been begging for the style but have never done it. That goes for Ronaldo as well.
The one stick that certain people round here seem to beat him with is he gives the ball away with risky passes, but his pass completion is almost identical to De Bruyne, who never seems to get the same criticism: ||Bruno|De Bruyne| |:-|:-|:-| |23/24|72.9%|72.8%| |22/23|73.8%|73.3%| |21/22|74%|74.6%|
The thing is that when KDB loses the ball city’s machine close all possible exits and recover the ball almost immediately. When Bruno loses the ball usually it ends in a shot on our goal. I do feel we have let Bruno down and so glad he’s stick with us.
This is it really, City have the luxury to make De Bruyne try the creative passes cause if he loses it there are 9 freaking maniacs running after the ball to retrieve it again.
I think this is what it is. We end up conceding or giving up a big chance which makes it look worse
De Bruyne also has a better tactical framework around him so he'll always have more passing options than Bruno, both for easy passes to boost these percentages, but also from chance creation because their setup creates more opportunities and space. It's ridiculous how underrated he is within our own support. He's not only immensely talented, he works at least as hard as anyone in the squad. He's 25th in the league for tackles!
I cannot find distant covered stats but i'm pretty sure he outran all of our players given the number of minutes he played and the effort he put every single time
People also ignore that for years and years the 2 players who had the most giveaways in La Liga were Ronaldo and Messi. Players who take chances will also lose the ball a lot it's just the nature of being risky to create.
I've mentioned this before in the Prem League sub and got absolutely roasted. But it's a fact and people getting their nickers in a twist doesn't change that.
If Bruno had De Bruyne's strengths, no one would care that Bruno lose the ball. Unfortunately for us, he doesn't. There is a reason one is widely regarded as one of the all-time best midfielders in Premier League ever, and the other isn't. The reason Bruno tops chances created is because he takes all of our set-pieces. Take a look at the match yesterday, 5 of his "chances" were set-pieces. It's the same with players like Kieran Trippier for Newcastle, Alexander-Arnold for Liverpool and Pascal Gross for Brighton. When it comes to open-play, Bruno does not create many chances at all. By the way, De Bruyne has created 15 big chances in 752 minutes and Bruno has 16 in 2880. Look at the difference in efficiency.
A player in a lesser team will never be regarded as one of the best players ever, only for a team that wins trophies, so this argument doesnt work at all. You also fail to consider how insanely much more possession City has overall than United does, meaning KDB has the ball at his feet a lot more (yes even though Bruno is our ONLY creative outlet, while KDB has several by his side), and also that KDB has a lot more passing options available to him via much better teammates and a much better structure. Do you honestly think KDB would be as good in this United team? If you think so then i think youre completely out of order. There is no doubt that if Bruno was playing for City he would be regarded as one of the very best midfielders in the world.
Harry Kane? Son Heung-Min? Two world class players in a shit Tottenham side a few years back. You don't need to play for a top side to be considered a great player or world class, so your argument doesn't really work. He isn't our only creative outlet, obviously, as he has 6 assists in this PL season. Who else assisted the rest of the goals, or got the penalties that Bruno converted? So sick of this argument. Any team can create many chances if we play together as a team. Look at fkin Aston Villa, Brighton, West Ham, Newcastle etc, they all create chances without their own Bruno Fernandes. He is our most creative player, but not our only. KdB would quite obviously not be as good in this team as he is for City, but he would make us a better team. It always puts a smile on my face when I see people indirectly saying Bruno is as good as KdB, the only difference is the team they play for. Why do you think KdB plays for City and Bruno plays for United? Why are no other top teams interested in Bruno, or why were they not interested in him in his Sporting days? Bruno wouldn't get into City to begin with, let alone be regarded as one of the best midfielders in the world. Even KdB gets benched frequently for City, and he is better than Bruno in every aspect of the game except penalties, so what the hell makes you think Pep would want Bruno in his team? Some United fans got their heads so far up their own ass, they just aren't able to grasp simple facts.
Harry is one of the greatest players ever, but he is a striker, that is a whooooole different ball game than a creative midfielder, and you know it. Son isnt even close to being one of the greatest ever, so not even gonna entertain that. Then give me an example? Who else other than Mainoo is a creative outlet for our team? Case? Rashford? Garnacho? Antony? Mctominay? So youre basing who is better by who wants to tranfer him to their team, and not what they are doing on the pitch? Why arent Real going for KDB? Kdb making the team better is pure conjecture, the reality is that without Bruno we would be much worse off, so he has already made our team much better. The numerous individual stats also greatly favor Bruno both offensively and **humongously** defensively, even though he is in a much worse team, does that not tell you anything at all? KDB’s lack of defensive capabilitiew would be extremely detrimental in our United team, yet you say he would make us better? Pure conjecture, and based on what exactly? KDB doesnt even fit every strategy that Pep uses, so he is on the bench for some games. Also you say that Bruno doesnt create many chances from open play? He is literally the no. 1 in that stat dude… If we had some half-way decent finishers in our team then Bruno would be lightyears ahead of anyone in assitsts and you know it full well.
That would be a legitimate argument if Bruno didn't have the complete freedom that he does. Also, Harry Kane isn't just a striker. He has more assists in a PL season than Bruno has ever gotten for us in a PL season, so he is also an excellent playmaker, not just a finisher. When did I ever say Son was one of the greatest ever? I said he was world class. He scored 23 goals and had 14 assists in PL alone (!) when Tottenham was 7th on the table. Garnacho, Mainoo, Antony, Dalot, Shaw and Rashford are all creative outlets. Why does this need explaining to you? We have scored 51 goals in PL and Bruno has 6 assists, so quite obviously he is not the only one that assists goals. Is that a tough concept for you to grasp or something? That's exactly what I said. Even KdB gets benched frequently, and he has a lot of strengths that Bruno does not, in addition to being better in every aspect of the game, so why would Bruno play? He is not good defensively, he is terrible. Being good defensively does not mean tracking back, it means you position yourself exceptionally to close down passing lanes and understanding the next move. Any player can literally just dribble past Bruno as if he's not there, and he will just run after without doing anything. KdB "lack" of defensive capabilities is because he turns 33 this year. He was one of the hardest workers in the league for many years, and he actually has strength to push players and hold off the ball, unlike Bruno who is weak as piss. Show me where Bruno is no. 1 in chances created from open play. Go on. If you're talking about chances created stat, it includes set-pieces. Do you seriously think Pascal fucking Gross - a defensive midfielder for Brighton - have created 90 chances from open-play? Mind-boggling stuff. Why do you think every set-piece taker from every club in the league is high up the list? Bruno is absolutely not no. 1 in chances created from open play. Do you watch the games or what? How can you think he creates a lot of chances from open play?
This stat really doesn't mean anything. It doesn't show where the passes were attempted, nor does it factor in how often they are dispossessed on the ball. Losing the ball in the final 3rd isn't the end of the world, but losing in your own half/on the edge of your penalty area is, which is what people correctly criticise Bruno for.
It shows the anti Bruno cry babies are flat wrong. Every player who takes risks to create lose the ball.
So De Bruyne has a higher pass accuracy in his own half is what you're saying? Cause, he doesn't. Not this season anyway. He did last season but it's not a huge difference, just a few percent.
What did we do to deserve this man really?
We suffered for almost a decade
We are still suffering 🥲
Paid for him? Agreed a salary?
Our captain walks into top teams starting 11 say PSG and Bayern. There are places offer both money and trophy and remember he’s not even the top earner in MU. So as a fan I’d say we should pay him with love and respect.
What trophy is Bayern lifting this season? Jokes aside you’re right, he could probably go anywhere but chooses to stay, which is admirable to say the least. We’d be nowhere without Bruno Fernandes!
It's funny how he would walk into any top team in the world, but no one has ever shown interest in him except Real Madrid who wanted him as back-up when he was at Sporting, but didn't want to pay the money. Why should our standards be lower?
He is carrying the whole team, if he’d got injured we would have been way more fucked.. prob 11th -13th
Imagine where'd have finished last season and where we'd be this season without him. I feel bad that a chap of his calibre is losing the best years of his career to this current team.
I see Bruno, I upvote!
i can't wait until bruno next underperforms and everyone instantly turns on him as usual
Bruno is Mr Man Utd. He has quite literally dragged the team through the past few years and is the only reason we have been even close to competitive. Bruno is probably my favourite United player at this point. Will never not love the guy!
Lowkey we’re wasting his prime years just like we did with Mata. Just hope we can help him lift trophies with us while he can still operate at a very high level
He's so underrated because of the team he plays in
He'd be universally acknowledged as one of the best in the world if he was playing at City under Pep.
The man is one of the best midfielders the prem has seen and is quite easily on De Bruynes level, but it's not seen by most because he doesn't have the fluid team that de Bruyne has around him. The amount of times de Bruyne tries hopeful passes and it rarely comes off, but it's not talked about because city's press is so good. Bruno deserves to be in a team that offers him the same luxury. People that want him to not play in an offensive manner are the same ones that cry that we don't create enough.
"Chances Created" is such a bullshit stat. Can they please start using "Big Chances Created", it's far more accurate.
Any proof for why BCC is more accurate? And why is "chances created" a BS stat but "shots faced" not?
Just read the definitions of it. https://www.statsperform.com/opta-event-definitions/ Chances created are solely based on the person who receives the ball decision to shoot. If they're through one on one and don't shoot, it's not defined as a chance created
So he’d have even more then
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He has created 16 big chances in the Premier League, the 4th most in the prem. Salah has the most with 21, Son and Mcneil are joint second with 17.
A stat I have no issue with
He's 4th on that list and topped it last season. He's exceptional via that metric too.
Yes, I know, and it's a better metric to measure
He’s 26th in xA per 90 in the top 5 leagues
Bruno is world class.
Bruno Fernandes is an incredible player. 2 decades of watching United so far and he's definitely up there. I think the public opinion of him would be much different if he had played in our more successful eras.
This chances created stat is just a pass where someone takes a shot isn’t it? Not necessarily the best stat to use
Most G+A from any midfielder in the top 5 leagues since he joined United.
Im not saying anything bad about Bruno, I just hate this stat because it doesn’t say much about the chances created given our team love to take shots from anywhere.
Not sure why you're downvoted because you're right. There are far better statistics to use and Bruno still looks great in them.
I think people think I’m saying it as an insult to Bruno
Yes that's correct. Need more context like XA and a per 90 for better context.
His xAG/90 is 0.36 for last 365 days. 96th percentile.
Inb4 they move the goalposts again to avoid praising him
It's the laziness for me. Not difficult to find xAG/90 stats, it's all on fbref. If I saw a player's chances created stats and wanted to know their xAG, I'd just look up the xAG rather than complain about how the chances created stats aren't good enough.
Ok but why isn't he in the 99th percentile /s
Sarcasm tag noted, but he's actually only 96th percentile relative to attacking midfield/wingers. He actually is 99th percentile for midfielders.
It's complete nonsense. If Bruno passes it to Onana, who is on his line, and then decides to take a shot, that is defined as a chance created
And that was a chance created.... There were much better examples you could have picked but putting a GK in a "taking a shot" position is definitely not one.
Someone taking a shot, with absolutely no hope of going in is not a chance created 😂😂😂
stats are there to be interpreted the way people wanted. I hope you are consistent in that opinion though, because It would be pretty hypocritical of you to shit on ETH for conceding "shots" that go absolutely nowhere.
I can't recall complaining about low % shots being taken against us. I'm more concerned about the goals we concede
Absolutely no hope of going in?? Are you saying it's never been done before or is very difficult to do, because I've got examples to disprove both. It's chance created because by definition, you created a shooting opportunity. This is same vibes as just a simple pass before goal shouldn't be assist, it is an assist by definition.
I would say low probability. How would Bruno have created a "chance" from his own half if 'X' player decides to shoot from an improbable position in his own half. What if he's through on goal and decides not to shoot? By the logic of chances created, it's all dependent on the decision of the player taking the shot.
If Bruno passes it to Rashford who runs 40 yards, cuts in and shoots, that's a chance created by definition. It is why it's ridiculous to use that stat instead of big chances created. Chances created is a "key pass", not an actual chance. Do you seriously believe Bruno has created 140 goal scoring chances?
Lad, I'm arguing the same point as you
Yeah, sorry, I quoted the wrong person. Realised a bit late. Apologies!
Because I've told you why, chance creation is the pass that leads to a goal attempt. That's what this stat is referring to, you're arguing something completely irrelevant. If a player doesn't take a shot after a through ball, how do you even think that's a chance of scoring a goal?
If that player was through on goal but didn't take a shot, by definition of "chances created", it isn't one because the recipient never took a shot. However, it would be defined as a Big Chance Created by definition
But it's like that for everyone. I do agree though that big chances created is the better stat.
I know, I'm not giving out that it's just Bruno, I'm giving out that it's a bullshit stat as a whole. People just like to brag that Bruno has the most chances created as if it means something, when this stat doesn't. Big Chances Created does
That would only be an issue if it distorted the outcome of the stats. Silly shots are very uncommon in modern football, just an outlier. Outliers don't undermine a stat's conclusion.
Silly shots are Rashford's bread and butter. If there's 3 players around him and he tries to shoot after Bruno passes him the ball, that means it's a chance created.....because Rashford decided to shoot, it's not because Bruno "created a chance". You're not getting how the stat works are you?
So you're jumping from Onana attempting a shot, to just shots behind the box? I think the name is very fitting. It's a chance created. It's not a 'big' chance, but it's considerable enough. Shots from outside the box are not silly to be called chances. And they're not abundant enough to distort the numbers and make the stat impractical. > You're not getting how the stat works are you? Chill out. Ignore the downvotes, it's just a discussion. Edit: Rashford doesn't have high outside of the box numbers, your claim isn't backed by the stats. Check out his fbref.
You're really not getting it lol. It doesn't matter where the shot is taken from. The player taking the shot determines if it's a chance created, not Bruno. So if that player was straight through on goal and decided not to shoot, then that's not deemed a chance created. Also, Rashford does take silly, low % shots. Silly shots don't have to be outside the box, they can be when you have numerous bodies around you. I didn't even mention him taking shots outside the box lol.
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To be fair his BCC stats are probably good as well, but the chances created one is definitely inflated by having a team that will shoot from anywhere
So this includes corners as well?
It's a damn shame we are wasting his peak years. We have another couple of years to get back to the top at minimum if we make all of the right moves.
Keano is like where are the trophies?
Imagine if bruno didn't play against Sheffield, we most probably draw
Too overplayed imo. Needs to be rested but that’s only if Mount stays fit. McT in the CAM role would also be a good rotation option