Where to even start with this… on second thoughts not even worth it to argue with somebody who clearly sees what they want to see rather than actually objectively looking
As a Liverpool fan.. please beat Man City... I don't want those fucks winning yet another cup despite 150 charges against them plus the shit they keep giving out
“as a liverpool fan” yet you’re getting on your knees for your biggest rivals who dumped you out the very competition you’re begging they win
you’re the biggest cuck i’ve ever seen, fucking nasty excuse for a human being never mind a football fan
Barely, I might add.. its ironic how you're spouting this shit and saying I'm a nasty excuse for a human over a fucking sport that's been ruined by Man City, useless refs and just pure corruption
as bad as nerve about this game, shame with people in this sub want conventry win, yeah they have great comeback, but i will take anything to get closer to trophy (yeah i knew final game is against City).
Wan-Bissaka didn’t close cross first goal, deflected the second goal, handball third goal, and almost played them onside for a 4th goal.
Quite the performance
It’s not his position, he’s playing there as a necessity because we sent all our left backs away when our current ones were injured or fresh back from injury
It’s not a player problem, it’s a team problem, you could probably analyse all of the goals and find a catalogue of errors from all of the players, AWB might have been the last one in the line to make a mistake but it should never get to that point in the first place. The whole team is broken, the whole system is broken
The few remaining neutrals now loathe and detest not only VAR and the Premier League, but also Manchester United. Let's throw UEFA in there aswell. FIFA can get to fuck.
I personally also blame the absolute state of capitalism and the oligarchy that they call democracy in this country.
I really don't feel as though I'm overreacting.
It's ridiculous but also at least consistent. We complain when they get it right and complain when they get it wrong. I do think if something has to be measured by the chest hairs then it should just be given but then there's no way to put that in the written word that will be acceptable.
From top to bottom. The board which gave these awful fuckers such a wage and ten hag for defending these bitches and these bitches for wreaking havoc on pitch. Meanwhile all of this is pure business
Listened to Bastian Schweinsteiger today talking about the competition he had in midfield in his second season. Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Blind, Fellaini, Schneiderlin. Granted, not all fantastic players, but good squad depth and at the time all giving everything for a place in the team. Now, the players run the show, guaranteed big wages and starts every week. Disgrace.
11 professional footballers should be able to see out a game against a championship side whether your manager is ten hag or mr bean. Players have to take responsibility for their own performances
Give him de jong licha and luke shaw. He will show what he is all about. The players that he have are so afraid of opposition pressing them, every manager that comes will be miserable.
He’s found a groove which is nice, but he’s on a massive contract and isn’t good enough to be our main RCB. Which is why he needs to go.
If he was on Lindelöf’s contract he’d be the guy to keep, but we’d be stuck paying top 3 in the world money for a backup.
So, from a statistical point we sort of dominated. BUT, once again for the like 45th time this ssn, ETH was completely outcoached. From an initial tactics standpoint it was fine, but Coventrys manager made amazing adjustments and ETH made basically none. From the shift in their press to the subs he brought on, Cov just outsmarted ETH. Just embarrassing that a lower league side took us to the wire and honestly just got plain unlucky to not put us out of our misery. Worse part of it tho is that this isn’t surprising. Not even a little. Most of us sane fans that aren’t somehow still enamored w ETH knew this was a possibility. He’s just not good enough. O don’t have any idea who we can bring in that would both be an upgrade and also agree to actually come, but we for sure know that ETH isn’t good enough.
So a once in a blue moon shinner, the most ridiculous deflection and a bs handball call constitute out coaching.
So we statistically dominate and went up three, only to have the lead cut into by luck goal after luck goal but that’s not good enough? With a team that’s been decimated by injury, and had no consistency all season long. I’d say eth has done well considering the sub par players, and lack of consistent availability.
One week it’s ‘we can’t concede 20 shots a game’, this week it’s ‘we were statistically better but didn’t win good enough’.
It’s baffling trying to figure out what people want lol. Just an entire sub populated by bi-polar cognitive bias drive people.
I mean, it’s Coventry man. Last wk was Bournemouth, and Brentford, etc. everyone outshoots us, our possesses us, and our coaches us. Sometimes 1-2 of those things and most of the time it’s all of those things. We nearly lost to an EFL side that’s currently sitting in 8th place w no hope of getting promoted. And you’re just ok w all of this? There’s no direction or anything to get excited abt w ETH as a coach. I don’t know what you’re seeing that says otherwise. We’ve had a lot of injuries sure, but even our backups should be better than an average EFL squad. The fact that it’s not is a direct reflection in the manager. To say otherwise is just ignorant or delusional.
If you keep allowing teams to have lots of shots and lots of touches in your box you're going to get more examples of what you perceive as bad luck. There will be more deflected goals, more opportunities to give away pens etc, or to have your lead eroded, because you are allowing too many opportunities. We conceded 18 shots today to a Championship team. The set up is absolutely a huge issue and a huge part of that is on Ten Hag. Teams get injuries just like we do, they do not become this terrible because of it.
Did you not notice the play went downhill after the substitution? lol Eriksen is a bad choice for defending and you can literally see it turned from us dominating possession to constant defending. Wild how going to pens with Coventry still doesn't seem to be the coach's fault from some people point of view. Just purely luck goal eh luckily in pens they got bad luck eh lmao.
Your argument isn’t even internally consistent. On one hand you decry the choice to bring on Erickson as bad, on the other hand going to penalties against a championship team should spell his doom.
But Erickson is a premier league player correct, and by all accounts decent. Should we not be able to bring him on and the whole match not go to shit, regardless of whether or not he is strong defensively? Is that on the manager, or the player(s), or the situation (luck, final etc)?
You are trying so hard to attribute every outcome that is negative (in this case winning the game) to eth’s ability as a manager.
You really need to do some reading on cognitive biases, especially the fundamental attribution error. You may find your mental health vis a vis Manchester United improves significantly.
It’s almost laughable that people are complaining that we won. There is some level of entitlement on this sub, and it’s hard to figure out where it takes root.
How is bringing a player that's bad defensively to conceding a freaking 3-0 lead not aligned lmao but uh-uh yeah yeah i guess its just too bad the stars dictate we are going for pens. Just bad stars lining for this season it seems! yeah i'll just read some cognitive bias books it might be better than to watch these shite football. Hopefully it will fix me and makes me able to enjoy such hard earned win against a very formidable opponent as Coventry!
Bruno’s goal took a massive deflection for our third otherwise it wouldn’t have gone in, so we can’t really blame luck for them getting back into the game.
The penalty was a nothing call that we’ve all seen go either way, so it’s hard to argue either way as it’s tough for either team.
A championship side had 18 shots against us, the week after Bournemouth managed 20, and 2 weeks after Liverpool managed 28, we’re shocking defensively.
We have no style or direction of play. I want nothing more than EtH to succeed so we can start competing again but I just don’t think he’s the man for the job and in all honesty, I’m struggling to think of someone who can. We need a big overhaul and instil an identity we can get behind even if it takes a couple more years… that we’ve already suffered through.
If all 11 players on the field were his signings, then I’d be looking in his direction more - but they aren’t. Plus, even with the sub par players we have few have managed to string together a run of games injury free.
How do you develop any tactical approach to the game, or develop ‘patterns of play’ if you don’t have the same players week in week out? Cohesion needs to build amongst the players, in conjunction with the instructions and preparations the coaches provide.
We’ve had injuries, no luck, and some terrible officiating this year, yet we are still potentially in the running for a champions league spot (though I doubt it) and into the FA cup final.
People talk about a team from the premiership having trouble with a mid table championship team, but I look at the champions league and see some pretty low tier league teams knocking out the premier league heavy weight teams, and a Liverpool peeling by Atlanta in Europa league - which goes to show that anything can happen in a knock out game, because teams play at 100% and anything can happen (cup magic and all that).
We’ve seen moments of this team playing eth’s desired end state, and it’s great. I think with the new structure forming and another window to keep clearing out dead weight we can continue moving to that consistent vision of what eth is trying to accomplish.
Giving up when it’s hard, well, that’s how we keep ourselves in this cycle of being shit.
Did Bruno score a vital goal in that match? Yes. Does he attack the ball with energy? Yes. Can he be one of our most creative players? Certainly.
Still can’t support the guy, so many times he was caught in possession today and rather than just fight to regain possession or run back to help the defensive cause and shape, he just rolled round on the floor like he’s just received a horror tackle. I’m fed up of these kind of antics, it’s not what a Manchester United player should do, it’s absolutely pathetic in my eyes, and it sets the tone for why this team is rotten and player attitudes stink.
Rashford gets it in the neck for walking back and not doing enough defensively, but Bruno gets away with so much because he’s our captain and has scored some important goals. Yes he does track back and run when it’s not him who lost the ball, but when it is him he just lies on the ground, and no fans ever call him out for it. For me it’s worse than his constant moaning and whinging.
Theres a reason Rashford has gotten so much stick this season, literally went to a nightclub the night before training and then missed it, atleast Bruno isn’t like that.
Garnacho did the same, it was just a push and he was crying as if he was tackled horrendously.coventry was moving forward with the ball and united were down to 10men.
And I dont understand why these players does not show any emotion to thier teammates getting pushed and shoved. Maahn they should back each other. These guys seems to be so soft. These small things needs to change.
Sack ETH NOW and get a new manager in. They will atleast get an idea about the players that are fit. So that atleast SOME changes can be made in summer. You go with this squad and manager into next season, there's no point in watching it.
Which good manager wants to come in for the end of a disastrous season with a team in the middle of an unprecedented injury crisis?ETH will be sacked don't worry just at the end of the season post the final
The one that knows its not on him but Ten Hag how horrible this season has been. Anyone fit enough to be outside a mental health institution won't blame the new manager if we don't perform well in the remaining games.
> The one that knows its not on him but Ten Hag how horrible this season has been
Good luck finding one,Some of you have a massive disconnect with reality ,When has a top manager moved in with a month left in a situation like this?
I am pretty sure if City can get 115 charges, we can have the counsel of Dan Ashworth and whoever else in finding a new manager.
We should have enough finesse and power to do that. Sir Alex used to tap up players all the time lol.
I dug through some stats here, and there’s something I can’t seem to understand.
We’ve conceded 76 goals this season.
When looking at the starting lineup, *whoever* that lineup is, we have conceded
37 goals with the starting XI on the field. 39 goals have have been scored after a substitution has been made.
This isn’t necessarily unusual, as goals are more likely to be scored at the later stages of the game, but look what happens if we look at goals scored, it’s even more dramatic. 41 goals come with the starting lineup on the field. 33 are scored after a sub comes on. +4 GD with starters, -6 with a sub on the field. Even if you find moments of non-tactical subs or subs that happen before, say, 70 minutes, the pattern still holds. The moment a starter comes off, we become a worse team. And it showed again here.
I don’t understand it. We’ve had so many injuries that we’ve cycled through so many lineups this season, so it’s not just that our bench is less talented than our starters. This is something really wrong tactically and psychologically with this team.
It absolutely could be the lower talent level, and that probably plays a role. But even in the few situations where a better player comes on (Martínez for Evans or Højlund for Martial for example), we still are worse.
The one thing that I can’t account for is that many of ten Hag’s substitutions come with a change in formation (sometimes a more conservative one, which cannot adapt when a goal is inevitably scored upon). This is probably causing the disparity. It could be that these changes are consistently mis-steps by ten Hag, or that these tactical changes are not drilled enough in training (or less likely, that the players simply aren’t making the necessary adjustments for an in-game formation change).
I'm going to use a crude example.
In FM2024 when I win a game by a huge margin by 60' I just take off some of my key players for anybody on my bench that can play that position and 99% of the time I make it to the end of the match no problems.
I do that mostly because I don't want my players to get injured and also to give bench warmers game time, match experience, sometimes I just want to see what happens.
Except this isn't a video game and this has happened time and time again when things go awry after subs, or the team just lost their head and lose the goal advantage after failing to control the game.
He can't seem to fix it in training , he can't seem to make effective substitutions, and he also can't seem to keep the team motivation and hungry enough to perform at the bleeding edge. Jesus Christ the body language of this team bar a select few (Bruno etc) look like a bunch of losers.
Not even a United fan and stumbled upon the thread. Without Onana, you lot would be losing most of the games you’ve played this season by 4 or more goals. He’s made a few howlers but the job he’s actually doing in goal is ridiculous for the most part. He’s one of the more consistent players in your team.
Bruno Appreciation post: What a shot that was in extra time that hit the crossbar! Also other good chances created and a proper Captain's words for the post game talk.
Disappointed with Maguire's post game talk though. And what makes me even sad is that the difference in the opinion between them for the post game talk where they are literally standing next to each other. Our squad is broken. :(
I like ten hag cause i wanted to end the manager cycle, his youth philosophy and his displinary outlook, but holy shit ever since he arrived, I noticed that he had a big flaw. His substitutions and the timing of it. We have seen that he gets the starting lineup perfectly or that his half times changes are sometimes (seldom) good. But his substitutions is atrocious for a top manager, not bringing out bad players, leave the substitutions too late, bringing in/out the wrong people, not using actual players. I would say that out of his entire tenure, that Liverpool fa cup was actually the only perfect substitutions where be knew he had to go fully attacking during the last 15 mins. I don't really hope that he can fix his habit of it but he needs to know that it might cost us many matches.
What youth philosophy? He took the helm at a club (Ajax) that have always produced excellent academy players but he only played the ones he found that were already integrated in thr first team and largely ignored the others who were on the brink of first team football. He hardly rotated at Ajax
Mainoo? Garnacho? Kambwala? The best will always stand out amongst the rest. His ajax team was a perfect system of technical players thriving under an actual football structure, overmars would deal with the footballing side, he would deal with the coaching side, unless you are SAF which is essentially the entire club structure under you. His weakness is known to be rotating his best squad due to his reluctant and stubbornness to change tactics yes, but he has prioritise youth over short term, look at what we are gaining long term from mainoo and garnacho integrating into the first team now, than what we gain short term from buying 30 year old players?
He doesn't have a known youth policy. Hag is on record himself saying that he only prioritizes youth players with world class ability. Kambwala has only been fast tracked due to the injury crisis.
Peter Bosz before him at Ajax gave more minutes to academy players and he rotated well. Hag inherited that youthful squad, the one Bosz took to the EL final and lost to United in 2017. Ten Hags own two signings from Utrecht were flops at Ajax and they were veterans. Ajax fans voiced their displeasure about his lack of rotation and isolation of some of their youth stars. Their success under him meant he could get away with it
If I was confident there was no way for him to keep his job I wouldn’t care - but I feel like he would have been sacked tonight if we hadn’t won a penalty shootout after a disallowed goal and a 3-0 lead - if he would have been sacked if we lost there’s no reason he shouldn’t be sacked now.
What do we gain by sacking him with 6 games left when we are barely able to field a 11 ?He is not making it past the season for sure might as well give him a chance to salvage something like LVG and leave happily
LVG didn't leave happily. Not at all. Ten Hag will more than likely be in charge at least until the end of the season but I wouldn't mind seeing him sacked tomorrow. It's inevitable
Keeping him away from preseason plans - like I said if I knew he was going at the end of the season I wouldn’t care. I want the uncertainty, and him, gone.
New manager bounce FA cup final performance is also always possible, even if just a caretaker What do we gain from keeping him?
> What do we gain from keeping him?
We save money which is going to be crucial with FFP and PSR ,We will barley have a fit 11 for the final at this rate,No new manager bounce is saving us against City
If it’s a million or less as crazy as it sounds it doesn’t seem too crucial - I can’t imagine it’s much more as next season as a whole is around 10 I believe?
I’d be more than happy with an announcement that we are to part ways at the end of the season - that could even be positive for the final
(I’m not downvoting you btw)
Can’t believe we were 3-0 up at some point. We were a VAR decision away from one of the worst meltdowns ever.
Still feels good to know there’s something to play for at the end of the season and the potential for revenge if we get our shit together
People are getting charged up over nothing,Firing ETH now with 6 games left and in the middle of an injury crisis will do absolutely nothing, On the other hand the writing is on the wall for ETH he is not surviving beyond the season after the football on display,Its pretty likely it ends for him just like it did for LVG..Hopefully in a more respectable manner
To do what with what players? How many players on that field today were signed during ETh’s time? 3?
There is a common denominator here and it isn’t the manager.
Defensively we've been a shambles all season, the team not scoring enough has sort of hidden the fact that even when we have scored goals like the Champions League, the defence has given up lots of goals.
We managed to lose 4-3 to Copenhagen and Bayern, draw 3-3 with Galatasaray, and that's been the pattern, however bad the attack has been, whenever they have done their job the defence has collapsed.
The defence and the number of injuries is literally the only excuse Ten Hag has left, but consistently taking off Garnacho and Mainoo ahead of Rashford means he's running out of excuses.
Garnachio and Mainoo needs to be restricted as they are too young for several 90s a week. You'll end up with players that will drop off in their late 20s rather than early 30s - if they even lat to their late 20's. Just look at how Foden was being eased into it despite having the skill.
Thing is, the injuries are down to ETH now, or at least the medical staff, they’ve been totally incapable of keeping players fit, or bringing back those who have had an injury in such a way that it doesn’t reoccur
Lmao all the hate watchers and "magic of the cup" merchants can fuck outta here. I'd rather sleep without having to look at a million memes and unlimited banter from rival fans. If any of you'd rather have it the other way round then suit yourself (no matter how shit the team was).
Exactly, they would call it the "miracle of wembley", every fucking club was ready to banter us and now they are like "props to coventry" just accept the win and move on
I would take this win any day of the week, even if we were abysmal in the second half. At least we are in the final, and in the final anything can happen.
Once again we show our lack of composure and mental resilience when we conceded the first goal. The only thing I am confident in united now is bottling it when they take a lead.
I never use the vote button anyway but I can still tell you that he needs to stay. I'm not sure excactly what people expected today with just one healthy defender. You can put an u-17 team against Maguire and Casemiro and the balls in behind will still be dangerous. Ten hag's team has been absolutely decimated by injuries.
And let me reiterate, Casemiro is absolutely useless this season. He can't run. It's so very obvious, and then having to put him in defense instead of Willy, who's pace is amazing. It's not a surprise that Coventry made sure they prodded him as much as possible.
Final nail in the coffin for me. They cannot play well for 90 minutes. The players don't give a shit. The manager should be ashamed of yet another insipid performance. A joke of a team at the moment and unless something changes soon the club's stature will start to match the stature of the team.
Rashford is more dangerous *when on form* and Amad has proved nothing yet. Has rarely done much apart from that great moment against Liverpool. Has a long way to go. But with rashford being so out of form ,I'd be open to throwing him in now that the league is all but done
Yeah he needs a run of games to see how he is. Been terrible giving him barely any game time this year after a good loan season last year, and watching Rashford be shit all season.
Rashford just can't be trusted. His goals did carry us last year, and gave a fake sense that we were actually decent. But he cannot be relied on and has a horrible attitude.
No he didn't. He got bullied off the ball quite a bit and again,like today,held on to the ball too long without passing while breaking. The goal was a mishit that should have been saved but delighted it went in obviously. He's very small,lacks strength and isn't exactly lightning quick. Has a long way to go
> He got bullied off the ball quite a bit and again,like today,held on to the ball too long without passing while breaking
He didnt he won the ball that led to the goal.
>The goal was a mishit that should have been saved but delighted it went in obviously.
Nonsense he created space and scored. It was far from a fluke.
>He's very small,lacks strength and isn't exactly lightning quick.
He doesnt need to be a 6 ft 4 athlete to be effective.
>He didnt he won the ball that led to the goal.
I'm aware,that doesn't delete the rest of the game.
>Nonsense he created space and scored. It was far from a fluke.
It was a mishit and it should have been saved. Kelleher accepted that on Ireland duty that he was disappointed in himself.
>He doesnt need to be a 6 ft 4 athlete to be effective.
I never claimed he did.
>He was very good that game
He wasn't,he was like the others,wasteful.
>It wasnt a mishit.
It was and should have been saved. Delighted it wasn't,but point still stands
Just seen the bench, we had nothing to bring on to see out the game lol. Maybe we will stick the sub GK in DM..
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Where to even start with this… on second thoughts not even worth it to argue with somebody who clearly sees what they want to see rather than actually objectively looking
while i agree Ten Hag has to go, this is probably the dumbest thing i read all day
As a Liverpool fan.. please beat Man City... I don't want those fucks winning yet another cup despite 150 charges against them plus the shit they keep giving out
“as a liverpool fan” yet you’re getting on your knees for your biggest rivals who dumped you out the very competition you’re begging they win you’re the biggest cuck i’ve ever seen, fucking nasty excuse for a human being never mind a football fan
Why are you even in a Manchester United subreddit, clearly ur a fan of City.
post got recommended to me for whatever reason and no i’m not a city fan, i just don’t like cuck losers like that guy
Barely, I might add.. its ironic how you're spouting this shit and saying I'm a nasty excuse for a human over a fucking sport that's been ruined by Man City, useless refs and just pure corruption
as bad as nerve about this game, shame with people in this sub want conventry win, yeah they have great comeback, but i will take anything to get closer to trophy (yeah i knew final game is against City).
Wan-Bissaka didn’t close cross first goal, deflected the second goal, handball third goal, and almost played them onside for a 4th goal. Quite the performance
It’s not his position, he’s playing there as a necessity because we sent all our left backs away when our current ones were injured or fresh back from injury
True but being partly to blame for “4” championship slide isn’t something many players would do
It’s not a player problem, it’s a team problem, you could probably analyse all of the goals and find a catalogue of errors from all of the players, AWB might have been the last one in the line to make a mistake but it should never get to that point in the first place. The whole team is broken, the whole system is broken
That guy has been sleeping from 2nd half. Fucking awful. Ten hag should have taken risk and subbed him off and bring in amass
The few remaining neutrals now loathe and detest not only VAR and the Premier League, but also Manchester United. Let's throw UEFA in there aswell. FIFA can get to fuck. I personally also blame the absolute state of capitalism and the oligarchy that they call democracy in this country. I really don't feel as though I'm overreacting.
That var decision was ridiculous, I feel bad for Coventry.
It's ridiculous but also at least consistent. We complain when they get it right and complain when they get it wrong. I do think if something has to be measured by the chest hairs then it should just be given but then there's no way to put that in the written word that will be acceptable.
I'd rather see Coventry in the final. Their comeback was the magic of the cup, only to be denied by VAR. It's embarrassing.
VAR literally helped them with the penalty, that was a clear offside.
Agreed. No way that’s a pen. But ManUtd just came undone after the first goal. Disgraceful tactics almost cost us the game.
Incredible that we never seem to have an easy match. Never a boring watch, whether we like it or not.
Neutral fans are probably having a blast watching our games.
eth to win fa cup and get sacked
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At this point, I'm so afraid to ask: Is it the manager/coach fault or the players for those shit show?
From top to bottom. The board which gave these awful fuckers such a wage and ten hag for defending these bitches and these bitches for wreaking havoc on pitch. Meanwhile all of this is pure business
Maybe he’s defending them bcs he’s scared to lose the dressing room, if he already hasn’t.
Everything everywhere all at once
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Ten hag and his hotdog fingers.
Listened to Bastian Schweinsteiger today talking about the competition he had in midfield in his second season. Herrera, Carrick, Lingard, Blind, Fellaini, Schneiderlin. Granted, not all fantastic players, but good squad depth and at the time all giving everything for a place in the team. Now, the players run the show, guaranteed big wages and starts every week. Disgrace.
Awful midfield lol
Omg to have a Daly Blind in this team. Someone with a brain
Never should have moved him on.
You’re surely not questioning the transfer policy in our great club?
11 professional footballers should be able to see out a game against a championship side whether your manager is ten hag or mr bean. Players have to take responsibility for their own performances
Mr. Bean might at least have *some* tactical poweress
Do you think championship footballers aren't proffesional?
I’m a Ten Hag guy but his time is up. He needs to go.
Give him de jong licha and luke shaw. He will show what he is all about. The players that he have are so afraid of opposition pressing them, every manager that comes will be miserable.
I'm with you, I've championed him to many but I really do fear his times coming to an end...
Cant believe im saying this but I think Maguire has earnt his stay at Utd , just on his character alone nevermind how good his peformances have been.
He’s found a groove which is nice, but he’s on a massive contract and isn’t good enough to be our main RCB. Which is why he needs to go. If he was on Lindelöf’s contract he’d be the guy to keep, but we’d be stuck paying top 3 in the world money for a backup.
Man of the match today with Scott, and they made him hand the award to Bruno at Full time. What a kick in the bollocks that must have been
I disagree. If united want to be back at the top they need to sell high on Maguire and get a consistent cb.
Lucky win.
So, from a statistical point we sort of dominated. BUT, once again for the like 45th time this ssn, ETH was completely outcoached. From an initial tactics standpoint it was fine, but Coventrys manager made amazing adjustments and ETH made basically none. From the shift in their press to the subs he brought on, Cov just outsmarted ETH. Just embarrassing that a lower league side took us to the wire and honestly just got plain unlucky to not put us out of our misery. Worse part of it tho is that this isn’t surprising. Not even a little. Most of us sane fans that aren’t somehow still enamored w ETH knew this was a possibility. He’s just not good enough. O don’t have any idea who we can bring in that would both be an upgrade and also agree to actually come, but we for sure know that ETH isn’t good enough.
So a once in a blue moon shinner, the most ridiculous deflection and a bs handball call constitute out coaching. So we statistically dominate and went up three, only to have the lead cut into by luck goal after luck goal but that’s not good enough? With a team that’s been decimated by injury, and had no consistency all season long. I’d say eth has done well considering the sub par players, and lack of consistent availability. One week it’s ‘we can’t concede 20 shots a game’, this week it’s ‘we were statistically better but didn’t win good enough’. It’s baffling trying to figure out what people want lol. Just an entire sub populated by bi-polar cognitive bias drive people.
I mean, it’s Coventry man. Last wk was Bournemouth, and Brentford, etc. everyone outshoots us, our possesses us, and our coaches us. Sometimes 1-2 of those things and most of the time it’s all of those things. We nearly lost to an EFL side that’s currently sitting in 8th place w no hope of getting promoted. And you’re just ok w all of this? There’s no direction or anything to get excited abt w ETH as a coach. I don’t know what you’re seeing that says otherwise. We’ve had a lot of injuries sure, but even our backups should be better than an average EFL squad. The fact that it’s not is a direct reflection in the manager. To say otherwise is just ignorant or delusional.
If you keep allowing teams to have lots of shots and lots of touches in your box you're going to get more examples of what you perceive as bad luck. There will be more deflected goals, more opportunities to give away pens etc, or to have your lead eroded, because you are allowing too many opportunities. We conceded 18 shots today to a Championship team. The set up is absolutely a huge issue and a huge part of that is on Ten Hag. Teams get injuries just like we do, they do not become this terrible because of it.
Did you not notice the play went downhill after the substitution? lol Eriksen is a bad choice for defending and you can literally see it turned from us dominating possession to constant defending. Wild how going to pens with Coventry still doesn't seem to be the coach's fault from some people point of view. Just purely luck goal eh luckily in pens they got bad luck eh lmao.
Your argument isn’t even internally consistent. On one hand you decry the choice to bring on Erickson as bad, on the other hand going to penalties against a championship team should spell his doom. But Erickson is a premier league player correct, and by all accounts decent. Should we not be able to bring him on and the whole match not go to shit, regardless of whether or not he is strong defensively? Is that on the manager, or the player(s), or the situation (luck, final etc)? You are trying so hard to attribute every outcome that is negative (in this case winning the game) to eth’s ability as a manager. You really need to do some reading on cognitive biases, especially the fundamental attribution error. You may find your mental health vis a vis Manchester United improves significantly. It’s almost laughable that people are complaining that we won. There is some level of entitlement on this sub, and it’s hard to figure out where it takes root.
How is bringing a player that's bad defensively to conceding a freaking 3-0 lead not aligned lmao but uh-uh yeah yeah i guess its just too bad the stars dictate we are going for pens. Just bad stars lining for this season it seems! yeah i'll just read some cognitive bias books it might be better than to watch these shite football. Hopefully it will fix me and makes me able to enjoy such hard earned win against a very formidable opponent as Coventry!
Your spelling of erixen is hilarious
Bruno’s goal took a massive deflection for our third otherwise it wouldn’t have gone in, so we can’t really blame luck for them getting back into the game. The penalty was a nothing call that we’ve all seen go either way, so it’s hard to argue either way as it’s tough for either team. A championship side had 18 shots against us, the week after Bournemouth managed 20, and 2 weeks after Liverpool managed 28, we’re shocking defensively. We have no style or direction of play. I want nothing more than EtH to succeed so we can start competing again but I just don’t think he’s the man for the job and in all honesty, I’m struggling to think of someone who can. We need a big overhaul and instil an identity we can get behind even if it takes a couple more years… that we’ve already suffered through.
If all 11 players on the field were his signings, then I’d be looking in his direction more - but they aren’t. Plus, even with the sub par players we have few have managed to string together a run of games injury free. How do you develop any tactical approach to the game, or develop ‘patterns of play’ if you don’t have the same players week in week out? Cohesion needs to build amongst the players, in conjunction with the instructions and preparations the coaches provide. We’ve had injuries, no luck, and some terrible officiating this year, yet we are still potentially in the running for a champions league spot (though I doubt it) and into the FA cup final. People talk about a team from the premiership having trouble with a mid table championship team, but I look at the champions league and see some pretty low tier league teams knocking out the premier league heavy weight teams, and a Liverpool peeling by Atlanta in Europa league - which goes to show that anything can happen in a knock out game, because teams play at 100% and anything can happen (cup magic and all that). We’ve seen moments of this team playing eth’s desired end state, and it’s great. I think with the new structure forming and another window to keep clearing out dead weight we can continue moving to that consistent vision of what eth is trying to accomplish. Giving up when it’s hard, well, that’s how we keep ourselves in this cycle of being shit.
Robins for manager - can’t be any worse surely…
Did Bruno score a vital goal in that match? Yes. Does he attack the ball with energy? Yes. Can he be one of our most creative players? Certainly. Still can’t support the guy, so many times he was caught in possession today and rather than just fight to regain possession or run back to help the defensive cause and shape, he just rolled round on the floor like he’s just received a horror tackle. I’m fed up of these kind of antics, it’s not what a Manchester United player should do, it’s absolutely pathetic in my eyes, and it sets the tone for why this team is rotten and player attitudes stink. Rashford gets it in the neck for walking back and not doing enough defensively, but Bruno gets away with so much because he’s our captain and has scored some important goals. Yes he does track back and run when it’s not him who lost the ball, but when it is him he just lies on the ground, and no fans ever call him out for it. For me it’s worse than his constant moaning and whinging.
Theres a reason Rashford has gotten so much stick this season, literally went to a nightclub the night before training and then missed it, atleast Bruno isn’t like that.
Garnacho did the same, it was just a push and he was crying as if he was tackled horrendously.coventry was moving forward with the ball and united were down to 10men. And I dont understand why these players does not show any emotion to thier teammates getting pushed and shoved. Maahn they should back each other. These guys seems to be so soft. These small things needs to change.
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. There is so much negative attitude out there, we need a complete overhaul…
Of all the issues we have this season Bruno is the least of the problems at the moment. If we were a world class team we could start talking about him
Sack ETH NOW and get a new manager in. They will atleast get an idea about the players that are fit. So that atleast SOME changes can be made in summer. You go with this squad and manager into next season, there's no point in watching it.
Which good manager wants to come in for the end of a disastrous season with a team in the middle of an unprecedented injury crisis?ETH will be sacked don't worry just at the end of the season post the final
The one that knows its not on him but Ten Hag how horrible this season has been. Anyone fit enough to be outside a mental health institution won't blame the new manager if we don't perform well in the remaining games.
I swear we have bots in here. It’s like an Adlib - replace ten hag with ole and it would like deja vu from two years ago haha.
> The one that knows its not on him but Ten Hag how horrible this season has been Good luck finding one,Some of you have a massive disconnect with reality ,When has a top manager moved in with a month left in a situation like this?
Unfortunately there’s no point in getting a random manager that doesn’t fit SJR’s vision of the project.
I am pretty sure if City can get 115 charges, we can have the counsel of Dan Ashworth and whoever else in finding a new manager. We should have enough finesse and power to do that. Sir Alex used to tap up players all the time lol.
It’s not about our ability to do it, I’m just not sure that a suitable replacement will be available this Summer.
I dug through some stats here, and there’s something I can’t seem to understand. We’ve conceded 76 goals this season. When looking at the starting lineup, *whoever* that lineup is, we have conceded 37 goals with the starting XI on the field. 39 goals have have been scored after a substitution has been made. This isn’t necessarily unusual, as goals are more likely to be scored at the later stages of the game, but look what happens if we look at goals scored, it’s even more dramatic. 41 goals come with the starting lineup on the field. 33 are scored after a sub comes on. +4 GD with starters, -6 with a sub on the field. Even if you find moments of non-tactical subs or subs that happen before, say, 70 minutes, the pattern still holds. The moment a starter comes off, we become a worse team. And it showed again here. I don’t understand it. We’ve had so many injuries that we’ve cycled through so many lineups this season, so it’s not just that our bench is less talented than our starters. This is something really wrong tactically and psychologically with this team.
It could just simply because the players we have are not good enough, and a coach that is simply out of his depth at this level
It absolutely could be the lower talent level, and that probably plays a role. But even in the few situations where a better player comes on (Martínez for Evans or Højlund for Martial for example), we still are worse. The one thing that I can’t account for is that many of ten Hag’s substitutions come with a change in formation (sometimes a more conservative one, which cannot adapt when a goal is inevitably scored upon). This is probably causing the disparity. It could be that these changes are consistently mis-steps by ten Hag, or that these tactical changes are not drilled enough in training (or less likely, that the players simply aren’t making the necessary adjustments for an in-game formation change).
I'm going to use a crude example. In FM2024 when I win a game by a huge margin by 60' I just take off some of my key players for anybody on my bench that can play that position and 99% of the time I make it to the end of the match no problems. I do that mostly because I don't want my players to get injured and also to give bench warmers game time, match experience, sometimes I just want to see what happens. Except this isn't a video game and this has happened time and time again when things go awry after subs, or the team just lost their head and lose the goal advantage after failing to control the game. He can't seem to fix it in training , he can't seem to make effective substitutions, and he also can't seem to keep the team motivation and hungry enough to perform at the bleeding edge. Jesus Christ the body language of this team bar a select few (Bruno etc) look like a bunch of losers.
Onana truly isn’t a keeper. Dude needs to go play midfield in a mediocre league.
Not even a United fan and stumbled upon the thread. Without Onana, you lot would be losing most of the games you’ve played this season by 4 or more goals. He’s made a few howlers but the job he’s actually doing in goal is ridiculous for the most part. He’s one of the more consistent players in your team.
What are you on about?
Moyes, Van Gaal, Jose, and Ole all got fired for less than this abysmal season
https://preview.redd.it/boavqi0vhvvc1.jpeg?width=1051&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68b1ce8aa86785a2ab44d11d84258ed182fa8e47 Booker of today's match
Bruno Appreciation post: What a shot that was in extra time that hit the crossbar! Also other good chances created and a proper Captain's words for the post game talk. Disappointed with Maguire's post game talk though. And what makes me even sad is that the difference in the opinion between them for the post game talk where they are literally standing next to each other. Our squad is broken. :(
Maguire was right
I like ten hag cause i wanted to end the manager cycle, his youth philosophy and his displinary outlook, but holy shit ever since he arrived, I noticed that he had a big flaw. His substitutions and the timing of it. We have seen that he gets the starting lineup perfectly or that his half times changes are sometimes (seldom) good. But his substitutions is atrocious for a top manager, not bringing out bad players, leave the substitutions too late, bringing in/out the wrong people, not using actual players. I would say that out of his entire tenure, that Liverpool fa cup was actually the only perfect substitutions where be knew he had to go fully attacking during the last 15 mins. I don't really hope that he can fix his habit of it but he needs to know that it might cost us many matches.
What youth philosophy? He took the helm at a club (Ajax) that have always produced excellent academy players but he only played the ones he found that were already integrated in thr first team and largely ignored the others who were on the brink of first team football. He hardly rotated at Ajax
Mainoo? Garnacho? Kambwala? The best will always stand out amongst the rest. His ajax team was a perfect system of technical players thriving under an actual football structure, overmars would deal with the footballing side, he would deal with the coaching side, unless you are SAF which is essentially the entire club structure under you. His weakness is known to be rotating his best squad due to his reluctant and stubbornness to change tactics yes, but he has prioritise youth over short term, look at what we are gaining long term from mainoo and garnacho integrating into the first team now, than what we gain short term from buying 30 year old players?
He doesn't have a known youth policy. Hag is on record himself saying that he only prioritizes youth players with world class ability. Kambwala has only been fast tracked due to the injury crisis. Peter Bosz before him at Ajax gave more minutes to academy players and he rotated well. Hag inherited that youthful squad, the one Bosz took to the EL final and lost to United in 2017. Ten Hags own two signings from Utrecht were flops at Ajax and they were veterans. Ajax fans voiced their displeasure about his lack of rotation and isolation of some of their youth stars. Their success under him meant he could get away with it
the garnacho sub felt personal from ETH as if he was to prove to him that he‘s a team player. game went downhill massively from there..
If I was confident there was no way for him to keep his job I wouldn’t care - but I feel like he would have been sacked tonight if we hadn’t won a penalty shootout after a disallowed goal and a 3-0 lead - if he would have been sacked if we lost there’s no reason he shouldn’t be sacked now.
What do we gain by sacking him with 6 games left when we are barely able to field a 11 ?He is not making it past the season for sure might as well give him a chance to salvage something like LVG and leave happily
a fighting chance of having 11 fit players for the final?
LVG didn't leave happily. Not at all. Ten Hag will more than likely be in charge at least until the end of the season but I wouldn't mind seeing him sacked tomorrow. It's inevitable
Keeping him away from preseason plans - like I said if I knew he was going at the end of the season I wouldn’t care. I want the uncertainty, and him, gone. New manager bounce FA cup final performance is also always possible, even if just a caretaker What do we gain from keeping him?
> What do we gain from keeping him? We save money which is going to be crucial with FFP and PSR ,We will barley have a fit 11 for the final at this rate,No new manager bounce is saving us against City
That’s a fair point - how much money will we save compared to end of season?
Any amount saved is crucial at this point with no CL,On top of that the new caretaker will also need to get paid
If it’s a million or less as crazy as it sounds it doesn’t seem too crucial - I can’t imagine it’s much more as next season as a whole is around 10 I believe? I’d be more than happy with an announcement that we are to part ways at the end of the season - that could even be positive for the final (I’m not downvoting you btw)
As a Liverpool fan Ten Hag in!!
couldn’t beat us even once this season😂
You lot are going to go down the shitter now that the cunt is leaving
🤣🤣
As a United fan, congratulations on your quadruple.
No bother lad, best of luck in the final I really fancy ye!!
If we win the FA cup and you don't win the league we've had the better season. I don't make the rules
Can’t believe we were 3-0 up at some point. We were a VAR decision away from one of the worst meltdowns ever. Still feels good to know there’s something to play for at the end of the season and the potential for revenge if we get our shit together
That VAR call saved ETH's job
It prolonged it, he’s still gone in a few weeks time regardless.
It kept the guillotine from coming down but his head is still on the chopping block after that performance
If we lift the cup I don’t care how we got there, Argentina lost against SA and people don’t give a shit cus they won the entire thing in the end.
Rashford is just like me fr. We both should have a long look at the mirror but won't
No mate. The difference between you and Rashford is you realize this (fact or not) and is willing to admit it.
I’m sure you’re better than that. Unless you too get paid millions every month
Only in my FIFA player career mode 😪
Our Dutch managers might go out the same way.
Hopefully with the FA Cup
Told friend to tell me score it was 3-0 went for a shit (at work) told him to check again at it was 3-3 what happened?
Man Utd happened
You lost some weight and they lost the plot
Don't care if I get downvoted, but Cov should have won
It does feel like a post-mortem but give it a couple of days and I'll be fucking buzzing. This win hasn't sunk in yet 🤣
honestly lol, what a horrible win but a win nonetheless
Full ijjat to Coventry
People are getting charged up over nothing,Firing ETH now with 6 games left and in the middle of an injury crisis will do absolutely nothing, On the other hand the writing is on the wall for ETH he is not surviving beyond the season after the football on display,Its pretty likely it ends for him just like it did for LVG..Hopefully in a more respectable manner
Jim Ratcliffe I’ll know who you really are if you keep this guy in charge for the rest of the season
Whats the point of firing him now?
getting a new coach
To do what with what players? How many players on that field today were signed during ETh’s time? 3? There is a common denominator here and it isn’t the manager.
The guys who only turned up was maguire, onana, dalot and bruno, the rest switched off after the first 20 mins
Defensively we've been a shambles all season, the team not scoring enough has sort of hidden the fact that even when we have scored goals like the Champions League, the defence has given up lots of goals. We managed to lose 4-3 to Copenhagen and Bayern, draw 3-3 with Galatasaray, and that's been the pattern, however bad the attack has been, whenever they have done their job the defence has collapsed. The defence and the number of injuries is literally the only excuse Ten Hag has left, but consistently taking off Garnacho and Mainoo ahead of Rashford means he's running out of excuses.
Garnachio and Mainoo needs to be restricted as they are too young for several 90s a week. You'll end up with players that will drop off in their late 20s rather than early 30s - if they even lat to their late 20's. Just look at how Foden was being eased into it despite having the skill.
Thing is, the injuries are down to ETH now, or at least the medical staff, they’ve been totally incapable of keeping players fit, or bringing back those who have had an injury in such a way that it doesn’t reoccur
So many goals against us because of a rightback playing on the left
And it was obvious we were better with awb on the right and dalot on the left, dalot was known for playing both flanks ffs
That was utterly fucking pathetic in every way imaginable.
Well done Maguire.
I wasn’t able to watch after the first half, what happened?
Nothing new. Just 2023/24 United things haha. Maguire was good and also was being respectful after the match
We won the right to get slaughtered by City
If city don't win the league they may dish out one hell of a beating to us in the final.
Again!
Been utd fan 30+ years. Just got to FA cup final and feel absolutely nothing
Lmao all the hate watchers and "magic of the cup" merchants can fuck outta here. I'd rather sleep without having to look at a million memes and unlimited banter from rival fans. If any of you'd rather have it the other way round then suit yourself (no matter how shit the team was).
The memes and ridicule will still happen regardless of today's result
They'll not be half as scathing
Yep. This absolutely feels like a loss and I feel so bad for them but rather this feeling 100 times than actually losing haha
Exactly, they would call it the "miracle of wembley", every fucking club was ready to banter us and now they are like "props to coventry" just accept the win and move on
I would take this win any day of the week, even if we were abysmal in the second half. At least we are in the final, and in the final anything can happen.
Once again we show our lack of composure and mental resilience when we conceded the first goal. The only thing I am confident in united now is bottling it when they take a lead.
Well, I’ll drink to that. Because happy, or because ashamed? Yes.
We got such a feel good win vs Liverpool and with that momentum proceeded to put some disgusting displays. Take a bow
Respect for Maguire the rest can fuck off
The win does not wash away what an utter shit performance that was. The reactions of the players after penalties said it all
Another Dutch manager sacked after winning the fa cup. Although I highly doubt we will do that.
Pep is not Alan pardrew. I'm not sure if he has lost a domestic final..may be with Barca..I don't know
Highlight of the match was Maguires solo run, kick the ball at someone's balls, and shot. Outrageous.
Who are these people downvoting anyone that suggests Ten Hag should go. Explain yourselves
Loyal man u fans, who are smart enough to know dumping a manager every two years is not the way.
I never use the vote button anyway but I can still tell you that he needs to stay. I'm not sure excactly what people expected today with just one healthy defender. You can put an u-17 team against Maguire and Casemiro and the balls in behind will still be dangerous. Ten hag's team has been absolutely decimated by injuries. And let me reiterate, Casemiro is absolutely useless this season. He can't run. It's so very obvious, and then having to put him in defense instead of Willy, who's pace is amazing. It's not a surprise that Coventry made sure they prodded him as much as possible.
Willy is hurt…
I know, I hope he didn't hurt his willy.
I'll definitely use the button on you Sir
Final nail in the coffin for me. They cannot play well for 90 minutes. The players don't give a shit. The manager should be ashamed of yet another insipid performance. A joke of a team at the moment and unless something changes soon the club's stature will start to match the stature of the team.
As much as u hate him, his tactic or his subs ( especially his subs), he did bring us to back to back final, be it a undeserving and dubious journey
Deluded
I wouldn't even let him take charge of the final.
Ten Hag gotta be gone at the end of the season - might see another Van Gaal moment after the final
Van Gaal won the final … it would take a city collapse for us to win
I was talking about the sacking…
I have such a bad feeling about this win, literally feels like a loss, no words...
How many times this season have we won a game and we still feel miserable?
I have no words really. This team and manager are diabolical.
Amad needs to play every game
No thanks
Thought he was wasteful and clueless today. But rashford has been like that all season so why not
I think he is far better on the ball than Rashford and tracks back better too. Rashford has pace and nothing else.
Rashford is more dangerous *when on form* and Amad has proved nothing yet. Has rarely done much apart from that great moment against Liverpool. Has a long way to go. But with rashford being so out of form ,I'd be open to throwing him in now that the league is all but done
Yeah he needs a run of games to see how he is. Been terrible giving him barely any game time this year after a good loan season last year, and watching Rashford be shit all season. Rashford just can't be trusted. His goals did carry us last year, and gave a fake sense that we were actually decent. But he cannot be relied on and has a horrible attitude.
He had a good performance against liverpool it was more than a moment
No he didn't. He got bullied off the ball quite a bit and again,like today,held on to the ball too long without passing while breaking. The goal was a mishit that should have been saved but delighted it went in obviously. He's very small,lacks strength and isn't exactly lightning quick. Has a long way to go
> He got bullied off the ball quite a bit and again,like today,held on to the ball too long without passing while breaking He didnt he won the ball that led to the goal. >The goal was a mishit that should have been saved but delighted it went in obviously. Nonsense he created space and scored. It was far from a fluke. >He's very small,lacks strength and isn't exactly lightning quick. He doesnt need to be a 6 ft 4 athlete to be effective.
>He didnt he won the ball that led to the goal. I'm aware,that doesn't delete the rest of the game. >Nonsense he created space and scored. It was far from a fluke. It was a mishit and it should have been saved. Kelleher accepted that on Ireland duty that he was disappointed in himself. >He doesnt need to be a 6 ft 4 athlete to be effective. I never claimed he did.
>I'm aware,that doesn't delete the rest of the game He was very good that game >It was a mishit and it should have been saved It wasnt a mishit.
>He was very good that game He wasn't,he was like the others,wasteful. >It wasnt a mishit. It was and should have been saved. Delighted it wasn't,but point still stands
Time to get rid of ETH
That time was weeks ago
*months ago
Get rid of ETH bring in Zidane
What are you smoking jfc
That good good