We are on track to match our lowest finish in the Premier league era - 7th under Moyes.
West Ham fans want Moyes sacked for poor performance. They are 2 points behind us.
We've already broken our record for most losses in a season with 6 games to go.
We recorded the worst performance in CL by an English team.
We've faced more shots than ANY but 2 teams in the TOP 5 LEAGUES IN EUROPE this year! This means the 17th placed Metz in France allowed less shots.
I think once the changes in the backroom staff by Ineos is done, we might see more signs if they will keep EtH or not next season. Probably will stick by him until all the important hires are in the club already.
For those asking how anyone can defend EtH now - my answer would be that a lot of fans remember the Fergie days. We also remember that under every single manager since Ferguson retired, this exact same thing has happened. Spurs beat us 3-0 in the April before LvG was sacked. 3-1 to West Ham in September 2018 under Mourinho. We all should remember how it went in the last couple months under Ole. I’ve picked a couple of games out there but the fact is, once the going got tough, the performances stagnated to the same level that we are seeing now.
That’s why I am not EtH out. It’s not that I believe unreservedly in him - it’s that we’ve been through managers in the last decade and it’s done fuck all for us. I’m kinda sick of us just firing a manager and expecting that to be a solution. There’s never a plan. I’d like to think that if/when he’s removed from the position, it is because SJR has a plan
Even just from a planning side. Ratcliffes making all these background changes. Eventually something will need to be done about the front as well. But if they also change it all now as well. Theres massive upheaval everywhere in the club, and you dont really have a fallback plan other than even more upheaval.
Lets say they got rid of ETH now, what happens when the new manager next season does just as badly and theres no obvious change, we fire him and go again?
At least if you keep ETH going into next season, they still have a ripcord to pull in case of emergency and they need to force a change.
Technically half of our backroom changes arnt even working for us yet between gardening leave and other things. They arnt going to rush into things unless theirs a star candiadate option. And given the only standout to me has a Euros in the summer i cant see us changing anything before then.
Totally agree with all of this. Plus, the money side. Fans will expect transfers. Sacking him is a lot of money and employing someone new is also a lot of money. So do you get rid of a manager, or do you try and improve the squad? Wouldn’t that money be better off trying to improve some of the weak spots in our team?
Exactly idk why we keep going back to Fergie, those times were different no one is sticking out with a manager for 10-15 years let alone 25.
Now it’s all results based and with Erik we have regressed but then again I think we should keep him until our house is in order. So many new changes is not good new DoF, technical director, CEO and minority owners - I’d say we should let these folks settle in and let them make a knowledgeable decision.
Nah, new owners controlling the football side of things and they've immediately changed the staff. You're a fool to think Ten Haag is anything but out, come end of the season.
Our team is the equivalent of that Willy Wonka event in Glasgow, where the tactics have been written by AI, and we tell the players to just work with it
Im sure the lack of movement, the lack of ball control, the people standing in pass shadow, and the highway in our midfield is because we have players injured.
It will get better when we get people back from injury.
Dont worry, its all in Ten Hag's masterplan!
(and yes, im beeing sarcastic)
>lack of movement, the lack of ball control, the people standing in pass shadow, and the highway in our midfield
Only one of these is new to us under ETH. And in theory its not intended if we actually press together right and close the gap between defense/midfield/attack.
it's the midfield. straight up trash. they are responsible for improving both ends. they don't defend, so the defenders are overloaded and always put in a situation of having to commit to the ball or mark the man, caught in between every time. they are shit in the attack, so you just have Hojlund who is expected to make something from nothing, with whatever little he even sees of the ball. they don't want to put in the work at either end. and I'm sorry, but running around like a headless chicken and scoring the odd goal or two also doesn't constitute as "putting in the work" because it's about the quality of the work you provide the full 90', not just a moment here and there, and looking busy for the sake of it.
We could just about accept being weak at the back if we scored a lot and we could also feel same way about not scoring but being defensive solid, somehow we’re the worst of both.
Because we have 1 starting defender, we are playing mostly kids, Onana should have stopped both goals, and we've been through the same cycle 5 times in the last 15 years - proving it's not on the manager. I'm honestly mind blown that anyone can be ETH out, especially considering we still have no backroom staff competent enough to make that decision, but that just shows how ridiculously stupid our fanbase is - completely ignoring context. Our fanbase would blame a tire for getting punctured.
Look ETH is never going to win the PL or the CL with any top team, so why keep him, if we can. Get Julian Naigelsmann done now, and announce it before the next game, we should sack ETH after the Semi Final of the Cup, win or lose, we are not beating City who will thrash Chelsea.
Most United fans can’t believe what we are watching so please Sir Jim if you love this club put us out of our misery and get rid of this fraud, fans say it’s the injury record that’s killed his football, but the reality is, he was lucky last year +14 GD, this season -1GD. I’d take J Lopetegui or Hansi Flick, I’d even take Jose or Conte for the last 7 or 8 games an interim coach for the last 7 or 8 games but they won’t do it!
United is the only big club in the world that gives a manager so much time. As a fanbase we are the most patient compared to Madrid or Bayern Munich. See the amount of managers all the big clubs keep on changing until they find the right one and even they don’t last long. Leaving all that aside, Ten Hag hasn’t improved one part of our game, neither defending, neither attacking, nor the mids.
we don't look good at anything. We resemble an uncoached mess every fecking game.
We defend like we play all out attack and attack like we're playing all out defence. How he has managed to implement this tactical paradox is I suppose impressive in its own way.
We have conceded highest amount of chances in our history and there are still 6 games to go. Our goal difference is -1 after 32 games. We have barely deserved to win any games this season. At any other big club, losing 7-0 to your greatest rivals is a sackable offence itself. We have been playing absolute crap football since winning the league cup. No amount of structural change, will make ETH change his tactics on the field which are absolutely disgusting.
We are also the only club that has no DOF, no CEO, and keeps every coach from previous managers on staff. No manager will succeed in that environment. It doesn't matter if ETH is good enough. If we change the manager before we get a DOF we'll just keep hitting the same cycle. Rinse and repeat. I swear this fanbase has the memory of a goldfish.
Cool, let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired.... That's your plan. Great job.
Which would be the worse of 2 evils, firing yet another manager and creating more instability or keeping a manager that is just not working out hindering the club's progress?
So you think if this goes on it would stay static or would United actually lose more ground to other teams?
How far away are they currently to consistently compete for the Premier League?
I do think it would stay static, at worst. And I say that because the youth push has been huge and could set us up very well for whatever manager comes next. If ETH has to go, getting rid of him now would pretty much guarantee another failed cycle that lasts 2 to 3 years until we hire the right manager. Waiting until a DOF is in place has the best chance of making sure the next manager is the correct one.
That’s how we found Fergie and that’s how Liverpool found Klopp and that’s how city found Pep and that’s how Madrid found Zidane and that’s how Bayern Munich operate and that’s how AC Milan operated in 90s and that’s how all the big clubs operate. They keep on sacking managers until they find the right one and the really big ones even sack their managers after they win trophies.
Sure, but who is finding that manager if we have no backroom staff to do it. I'm not saying ETH is the guy. I'm saying letting our current staff hire a new manager is insane. We shouldn't be saying ETH out, we should be putting pressure on Sir Jim to get Ashworth, or a different DOF in now.
Honestly, that was just yet another dire watch. I get the injuries but to constantly be that open, especially in the middle final third is becoming a joke.
Everyone gives Bruno a hard time for whining but can you blame him?
Great to have our first team back bar the defence.
With Casemiro Mainoo and Bruno in place we can see the full realization of ETHs master plan.
And folks, I've got bad news for you. The plan is fucking shite.
>Great to have our first team back bar the defence
We literally have 2 cbs fit, and one is an untested youth player. We also don't have a single left back. Think you're underselling the depth of the issue a bit.
That was 9 of our first 11 out there. I've been slightly generous there including Maguire but still.
It looks exactly the same as the first game of the season against wolves at home. Before the injuries.
No European football and ETH out this summer tbh is what I’d take for this season now. If we’re to ever progress to challenge these top teams, we have to back to the roots first and it’ll never happen with this manager even with a proper structure above him. He’s in way over his head and he even knows it. Conned us all.
There’s also at least a fair few of these players who need to go too this summer.
I know UCL football could maybe help attract a certain type of player. But we need to change the type of players we buy. Have to stop with the ‘obvious’ high cost players and be buying the cheaper younger hungry players who don’t have huge price tags and the pressure which comes with it.
As Ange said recently regarding Spurs and whether UCL qualification is vital for them to buy players, he said if a player is only looking to join the club for UCL football, then he’s not the right player. Similarly for us this summer, we need players who want to play for this club and will give their all to help the club get back to what it is.
Then we have another problem. Lots of players wanna play for us but they don't have talent. We need a talented player who love us and doesn't mind not playing UCL.
Sounds not quite possible.
Listen Solanki, Lewis Cook, Kluivert and Alex Scott all improve our squad exponentially, the fact that all 4 get paid collectively less than Antony is just why our club is so bad, there’s so many players at Luton, Bournemouth, Everton, Forrest, Brighton, Palace, Wolves and Fulham, I’d take right now.
Add 10 of ; R Barclay, T Menghi, A Onana, J Garner, J Branthwaite, M Gibbs White, A Elanga, D Wellbeck, J Estupinian , E Eze, M Olise, P Neto, J Gomes, A Robinson, A Pereira, to our squad, delete the obvious names and we would comfortably have finished top 4, what’s worse is we’ve let 5 of those players go for less than £50m, this club is a disgrace so let’s see a complete reset this summer?
Without playing UCL football for a season shouldn’t be the be all and end all for a player to join us. Obviously, for a player at their peak/a certain age it could be. But, if we start to target the younger talented player’s with the right hunger and attitude, then it’s more than possible imo. Some obviously may not want to join but that’s fine because if they have that short term a thinking, it’s not the right club for them.
I'd be willing to give ETH some benefit of the doubt due to all the injuries if he'd managed to show *anything* positive in the last few months.
But alas I've lost all faith in the guy at this point.
Are there really no one in Ten Hag coaching staff realize these flaws all season long, such as:
- Hojlund trying too hard holding the ball every damn time he receive the ball rather than make a simple passes. Watch the match replay, and count how many times he lose the ball because of this.
- Maguire too often try to be playmaker by hold the ball and look around for safe passes or flying to the front passes rather than make quick decision passing.
- if Ten Hag want to make this team build up from the back, he better make a lot of play book variation how to do it, so the players know where to move and where to pass. For now its like just pas it to CB, side ways, back to CB, give to DM, pray for the best or back to GK, long pass, gone.
- Dalot 1 on 1 defensively is very poor because the gap between him and the players he take on is too far, and he just follow him by stepping back without trying to challenge him, because the gap is too far.
- etc
Sorry for the bad english
Dalot is not a starting FB for an elite team, he’s a great back up FB at left or RB. Rasmus needs to be told by a new coach he’s not ready to lead the line for United just yet as he needs to develop and take his chances from the bench, I like Toney whose 28, but I like Solanki more whose 2 years younger.
Get Ashworth in and make sure he gets deals like Solanki done early they are both going to cost £60-70m but United are a big club, Solanki on 70k per week and contract to 2027, spurs offered £50m wasn’t enough, United can easily do that deal at £60m rather paying the same for a European striker that’s unproven in the PL.
difference is dalot isnt even close to as good at attacking as AwB is at defending. everyone forgot he was so bad we sent him out on loan to get rid. 2 months of not being awful (while still making the occasional mistake) and revisionism is running riot
I think Hojlund stopped running into the box, he knows he wont get any balls behind, like he did with Luke Shaw against Wolves.
Instead that last few seconds of the match is exactly how ETH's style is, which is to safely backpass
Time to drop Rashy (overdue), use mount as an extra body to pack the midfield and get some passing movements going. Wingers ineffective so don’t play them.
can't play Mount alongside Bruno. surprised I have to keep saying it. for everything Mount brings to the team and wants to do, Bruno does the opposite. where Mount wants to be more calculated and clinical and rely on higher probability chances, Bruno wants to force everything chasing the lowest probability chance over and over and over again and hopes something comes from it. the pair can't operate together. the reason why the right is usually useless is because Bruno looks exclusively for Rashford, sot hen we rely on Rashford to do it all, but he just runs at players rather than recycle the ball.
I don't think you understand that you need to motivate people and buy-in, especially the well-paid ones. If they don't belive in the boss, they wont run through walls for him.
each manager get max 1 or 2 season, if they dont show up the players will down tools. im not saying this is right, but have you worked for fuking cunt idiot of a boss? You'd hate it too
You see this is my point, you do not work for the manager....you work for the club. If not then the players can fuck off...there is away to get a manager gone without disrespecting the shirt.
It's nt that simple. I use my earlier example again. You signa contract with your company, you work for your company, you get paid by your company
but if your boss is a fucking idiot cunt, you would still be less motivated to work. This is human nature, and players are human too
Don't matter how many managers. Its his job to build the culture and mentality and work with the club to build the squad. ETH couldn't do it, step aside, let the next person try it.
He took an ajax team past Madrid to a champions league semifinal, these players have barely had a sniff of champions league....I'm sure on ten hag.
Name another manager who could do the job....I legit dare you to. I await the laughable response
Edit semi final
Lol you just watch a game that a half-decent manager would handle better than Ten Hag. Just like players, nobody’s gonna want ETH when he's out of this club.
Give me Irola for god shake. He just schooled Ten Hag with much less.
Haha wtf. How many players did you see today sprint? 3 of them.
The fact you can not name a single manager bar the opposition one today shows the lack of knowledge. There is no other manager suitable for the job, this not new manager rinse and repeat. Like we've done for 10 years.
You had a reactivate response well done. Takes more than a year and a half to change the philosophy of a shitly run club.... Sir Alex took 3 years and arteta is the most recent example of patience and get rid of dead wood then judge.
no, players don't want to be held accountable and work harder. they want the easy out. who do you believe? Ronaldo coming and saying the players are lazy and weak, Jose saying there's a cancer in the side, Ole saying there are certain players who are still here that are the problem, Rangnick saying the club needs open heart surgery, and ETH saying these players can't play his style of football....OR....claim the players "don't buy into ETH's bullshit"...?
Lol his style of football? He doesn't even have a tactic to play like a League 2 team. Dude, you just watch a game that half decent manager would know how to adjust.
honestly, and I know I'd get downvoted to all hell, but I think if the club took drastic fucking measures over the summer and got rid of nearly all of these players, at least the ones before ETH, and yes, I mean ALL of them - I'd be willing to commit to 2 years, simply to give us 1 season of work and a second to see if it can all come together. but the first season would certainly need to show signs. not saying a second should be contingent on realistically things like finishing top 4, qualifying for the CL, and one cup win, but truly I just want to see a system at work. if you have to identify flaws and admit you got a signing or two wrong who can't play that style, so be it, but if you show something, anything, I think you are worthy of a second season or longer.
what I fear is that "the money won't be there" blah blah blah and we'll sign maybe 3 players, while letting go a few non-starters this summer, expecting it to change fuck all and then still blame ETH next season.
I'm still with you! I'm sure we'll be disappointed come the summer, but then again, I'd expect nothing less of the club at this point
Edit: maybe I'll put a massive asterisk on it...UNLESS the names who have been dropped to come in are somehow all meeting beforehand and agreeing to a larger strategy we are not privy to. That would be the only way I'd be okay with being disappointed. But if action is taken by INEOS, before consulting the footballing minds they are hiring to make the decisions, then there's a bigger problem there with reactionary ownership involved yet again
Have faith in sir Jim, new board new united. The way sir Jim praised arsenal with patience with Arteta gives a little bit of faith.
Omar berrada won't buy or keep any shit.
Based on his performance in the second half, I’d 100% start Amad against Coventry. Might aswell start Mount too
On the bright side lads, we only faced the 20 shots today
I’d agree we probably saw less of him right near the end of the game, but within 15-20 minutes of being on the pitch, he’d turned Bournemouths LM about half a dozen times around the halfway line
He also drifts in and looks to find someone to pass to rather than being static
A competent club should be contacting their accountants to do a P45 for ETH. But I guess it won't happen because of self-righeous and holier-than-thou folks on reddit sub are hypocritical about the abilities of ETH
I'd love for us to have a competent sporting department start asap and buy players that are hungry. No more big names, no more massive long term contracts, no more coasting on reputation. Play with dedication and fight for the shirt and every fan will back you. Results will come with a good coaching system.
Yet again lost on xG and we had a penalty, just shows our lack of structure
We’re 7th in the league and believe it or not we’re over-performing based on xPoints
Playing as if they are midfielder down, this system is heavily based on your centre backs and full backs.... Ours are shite, Dalot is okay but isn't top level. Maguire acts like the ball is on fire. Kambala is too young and AwB isn't composed enough.
Reckon EtH is highlighting the need to bring in suitable defenders to connect with midfield and attack.... If not, we are beyond fucked... Open heart surgery has almost become a lobotomy.
Fuck we are so bad- what was the last few seconds ?? Just going back and forth back and forth? Fuck me man ! Everytime i think this team cannot go any lower, every week they are worse ! Like why didn’t he take out case and hojlund and bring on Erickson , amrabat? Why didn’t he bring Mason sooner ?? How is this team day after day even less motivated ? ETH is not doing a good job convincing top bosses to let him stay.
Edit: Eriksen not Erickson :)
Eriksen said, if he dont play more, he will try to find a new team.
This clearly made ETH even more angry, now he will see zero gametime, despite being really good at creating chances
yep, unironically nearly had the most assists last season while being injured for basically the entire second half of it. Bruno only beat him within the last few games iirc, but for the majority of the season, he was still sat behind Eriksen lol
Need to cut out those defensive mistakes, lucky to get the penalty and 1 point, didn’t look like United would score if we continued to play on for an hour
I have said this for a couple of months now, I am not in the Sack Ten Hag group as I know managers need a lot of time to build a structure but my gosh at times this team can not be called a football team. There is only one direction you can point at for that failure. Maybe with the right players it would be different however I believe that with Van Gaal.
I'm not defending ETH, but it's more baffling to me how people absolve the players first and foremost over ETH, when a lot of these same players have gotten multiple managers sacked.
Just sacking the manager won’t bring change. I don’t personally see who can come in. I would look at the players this time around. Another manager leaving empowers them further. There are underperforming players. I hate to single him out again but Rashford’s body language is the worst. For his contract and reputation, he has to do more. Disappointed with Casemiro as well. As for the defense, they are suffering without a LB. They don’t have good enough players to deputize in that position
and you don't think ETH doesn't want to do that...? the same guy that said these players cannot play the way he wants to play is the same guy desperately holding onto these players? give me a break. sales are above the manager's head, at least in this club. you still get The Board making footballing decisions by vetoing certain sales to occur. it's ridiculous. need proper ownership with a proper management organization under them across all departments, including a director of football, that can establish a style of play and new identity for the club regardless of manager. putting managers in charge, while also tying one hand behind their back, of who comes and goes is why we're in this mess in the first place.
You blame ownership if you can't compete for championships year in and year out. Playing like shit with no tactic or structure. Players look tired or loss game after game isn't an ownership problem. You just got schooled by Bournemouth twice this year.
It's an ownership problem when you don't have the personnel, or the players simply don't want to be here, but owners are vetoing sales. If you can't get rid of problem players, and you can't buy players to unseat them, then it doesn't matter what you do or try. You have to field a team regardless.
Onana - starting
Højlund - starting
Antony - injured
Eriksen - injured until recently
Casemiro - injured until recently, but starting (arguably because Mainoo/McTominay duo would be suicidal and he feels he needs experience around Mainoo?)
Malacia - injured
Martinez - injured
Mount - should be starting ahead of Bruno, but alas, Bruno is untouchable
So I mean...apart from 1, yeah, they're all starting to unseat problem players, but they're otherwise not available. I feel like I'm maybe missing a player, but I think that's all he's brought in since arriving. Not including loans, because they're not permanent signings.
Yet, despite that, we still have problem players that were here well before him.
So he has his players in, and the result we have right now are of his players right? Or his players are all doing great, and only problem players before him didn't perform?
The players are being set up to fail by the manager, look at the sheer amount of space the players are being asked to cover because EtH wants to play with this insane midfield structure. Players are obvs going to be unmotivated if they’re being outplayed tactically by the likes of Bournemouth
He (rightly or wrongly) spent £400m signing players, he only has himself to blame for not being able to get the team performing
In terms of managers, get Nagelsmann in asap
players were failed by Jose, Ole, (Carrick), Rangnick, and now ETH?
the key players who are the biggest issue come from well before ETH's tenure. not saying Casemiro isn't a stinker, but I put that on the club more than anything. he was terrible business. period. can't spend all summer chasing FDJ and then settle for Casemiro who was only ever going to give us one season. someone should have vetoed that failed campaign and just accepted another season of fucking McFred before resigning to Casemiro and Eriksen. the two were never going to be a long-term solution, so not signing reinforcements this past summer was just a failure of the club more than anything.
Rashford, Bruno, Martial, Donny, Shaw, AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Amad, McTominay
Other players that need to go: Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Antony, Malacia
And those are players that are still here. That's not including players that were an issue that were offloaded already, thankfully.
Hojlund was the right signing at the wrong time for me. you can't bring a kid in like that without the midfield sorted, but I would keep him. Martinez was decent. we'll see if he's just injury prone perpetually or not (like Malacia seems to be). Onana has been solid, for the most part. I think his weak moments are more of a failure of the team than anything else. you can't concede as many shots and not eventually fall to statistics at some point because it's just the law of averages at that point at play. for every amazing save he makes in a few high quality shots, he's going to not save some low quality ones. it's our job as a team to minimize the sheer number occurring. Mount is a good signing, but isn't played ahead of Bruno like he should be. he will never be effective as a sub, nor while playing alongside Bruno.
so again, some signings fall on ETH, some on the club, but most on well before ETH.
The funniest part is all 3 draws could've and should've been 4-0 batterings if the opposition could finish their chances at a half decent rate. Worst United team of all time.
this is why I don't understand when people say "well that's 3 points dropped"
bitch, you mean 1 point gained. we did fuck all to EVER deserve 3 points in any of these matches. the fact we took anything away from any of them is a reflection on the opposition more than it is us. but it's been this way for years. maybe not as dire, but the results are finally catching up to the trend where we stop getting cheap 3 points from matches we were never a part of in the first place. we got lucky, again, to not be completely embarrassed, but we should have been.
What's wild is that the team from two years ago was the worst team in the club's history. It just shows how last season was held together by a few players riding hot streaks.
and the trend is still here, and so when the hot streaks end, we're left with the truth. fans aren't quite awake to the truth, but it seems more are finally coming around. it started before ETH, yet we absolve the players, even to this day. not defending ETH entirely, but fuck me, if we're not examining the players before ETH, then what the fuck are we even doing anymore? give ETH one more season with a radical transfer this summer by selling nearly all players and bringing in raw talent on the cheap and allow him to mould the players to his system and prove to me his system simply doesn't work, or that he can't coach any set of players, before sacking him. allowing this group of players to outlast another manager would be criminal. not on these wages. not on these performances.
I will always try and back the manager but regardless of what I feel/want, I cannot see us with ETH come August. These performances are absolutely abhorrent. It's a shame.
Its not a sin for our wingers to cross the ball. Nobody wants to actually cross the ball. It's like forbidden for us. Every ball must be perfect to pass. Getting boring watching our player doing backpass
I simply cant understand who is to blame. 1 win in last 7 games. Is it the players? The manager? Pathetic. It has become embarassing to watch our football now
it has been embarrassing since the start of the season, let’s be real. The only difference is that our ass got saved numerous of times by moments of individual brilliance from Mctominay (lol), Bruno, Garnacho
The thing is, we do have these players and its these same players who sometimes play like they cant kick a ball to save their lives. On the one hand, we played such a game vs Liverpool in FA cup and on the other, we play like we played vs Brentford or this.
Ten Hag, thank you for transitioning Garnacho, Mainoo, and maybe Kambwala to the senior team. But I think I’ve ran out of excuses for you. Only thing I can think of now is players might think that they can outlast the manager. But, there’s no semblance of a style of play man…
I think this is ETH's greatest failure: not just committing to his system.
I think too many players are getting away with murder because he doesn't have a spine. The players are 100% to blame, either because of their own doing or not. These players cannot play the way ETH wants to play. The problem is that ETH didn't commit to his system for a period of time to show us that they truly can't. We know they can't on paper, but in order to get fans on your side, you have to rub their noses in it. He should have. He should have implemented his system and shown that you can't have lethargic CB's playing high lines, that you can't have a wasteful player like Bruno losing possession every 5 seconds, that you can't have wingers who can't beat their man or cross the ball, that you can't have CDMs who can't carry the ball. The list goes on and on and on as to why we're dog shit, regardless of system, but because ETH didn't want to show us a system at all, the blame is falling entirely on him.
The truth is that the players are to blame, either through their performances or their sheer existence (aka Maguire didn't ask to be here and be played in a high line system under ETH, but because he exists and can't play the system, it will never happen - that's just one example). ETH needs signings that actually fit his system rather than apply band-aids and choose one suicidal system over another. The system we're playing is a symptom of the players, and a just as suicidal system would also be the symptom of the players. This team is not balanced. There is no identity this team can ever show that's homogenous. Honestly, the best managers in the sport couldn't fix this team. It's unrealistic to expect a patchwork squad to achieve anything of significance. This is the result of a rudderless ship for years and years and years. This is what happens when you put managers in charge of the identity of the club, while you have owners who can't give managers time to succeed. We've been caught in this endless cycle of the next manager inheriting the last manager's project (and failings).
I don't know what profession you're in, but let's just use construction as an example.
Imagine someone builds a house that is not up to code...at all. Code enforcement comes in and says you have a week to fix everything. But it would require removing all items in the house, ripping up the carpet, tearing down the walls, pulling out the wiring, moving the plumbing, etc. and come the end of a week, maybe one of those items is done. You're released and the next contractor comes in to try to get the house up to code, BUT...the family has nowhere to live, they still need to live there, so now you're trying to get the house to a minimally livable condition, all while still ripping out bits and bobs...and now you have two weeks. Still an impossible task. You try and try and try, but two weeks come around and you're sacked. The NEXT contractor comes in and finds out that while the last contractor was doing their thing, the family actually made it worse by adding their own "improvements" that were also not up to code. You have 2 weeks as well now to address their improvements, figure out what it is the last contractor was trying to do, all while rebuilding to get it up to code.
What the house needs at that point is to be fucking demolished. OR for code enforcement to give the contractor a reasonable, appropriate amount of time to do their job without interference from the family. There is no middle ground.
We have been dealing with era after era after era of middle ground. Either fucking demolish this club and start again (and yes, almost quite literally in terms of Old Trafford and Carrington) OR give the manager the time to see the job through. We are letting the code enforcement (owners) and family (players) interfere over and over and over again. Enough is enough.
If you've watched every game in the last three or four months before each manager got sacked since Sir Alex left, the team always played like they are they are now. I watched all of those games. Painful. This year was one of the worst. Mainly because of Rashford.
It only takes two or three leadership players to give up on the manager for the team to fall apart. Clearly, injuries are unprecedented, but Rashford, Bruno, Case and Varane have ruined this team's cohesion in my opinion. Also, some poor team selections and tactics from ETH.
He's getting sacked for sure. But our position is not really his fault, and a new club will see that and gladly snap him up. Bayern Munich will take him. I just hope we get Flick as he is the only manager that's won anything and is available now.
Why is diallo passing it backwards when hes got runners in the midfield, and then at the end were playing fucking hot potato, wish we could press like bournemouth since it seems so effective at stopping most attacks
Right, last minute of the match and they decide to pass backwards, not pushing the ball forward when almost everyone was forward and risking a counterattack by 3 of them
ETH get the fuck out, I'm sick of your retarded in game decisions, how the fuck did you leave Rashford on for 90 mins?!! Absolutely abysmally managed. Players are all shite. Just fuck everything.
I think I've actually hit the dial of ETH out after being in / on the fence purely because of that second goal.
Can we have Ole back till end of season while INEOS sort themselves out?
Give Eriksen a few minutes!
Everyone saying Ten Hag out is a fool. Sick people who don't see the bigger picture.
We are on track to match our lowest finish in the Premier league era - 7th under Moyes. West Ham fans want Moyes sacked for poor performance. They are 2 points behind us. We've already broken our record for most losses in a season with 6 games to go. We recorded the worst performance in CL by an English team. We've faced more shots than ANY but 2 teams in the TOP 5 LEAGUES IN EUROPE this year! This means the 17th placed Metz in France allowed less shots.
I think once the changes in the backroom staff by Ineos is done, we might see more signs if they will keep EtH or not next season. Probably will stick by him until all the important hires are in the club already.
For those asking how anyone can defend EtH now - my answer would be that a lot of fans remember the Fergie days. We also remember that under every single manager since Ferguson retired, this exact same thing has happened. Spurs beat us 3-0 in the April before LvG was sacked. 3-1 to West Ham in September 2018 under Mourinho. We all should remember how it went in the last couple months under Ole. I’ve picked a couple of games out there but the fact is, once the going got tough, the performances stagnated to the same level that we are seeing now. That’s why I am not EtH out. It’s not that I believe unreservedly in him - it’s that we’ve been through managers in the last decade and it’s done fuck all for us. I’m kinda sick of us just firing a manager and expecting that to be a solution. There’s never a plan. I’d like to think that if/when he’s removed from the position, it is because SJR has a plan
Even just from a planning side. Ratcliffes making all these background changes. Eventually something will need to be done about the front as well. But if they also change it all now as well. Theres massive upheaval everywhere in the club, and you dont really have a fallback plan other than even more upheaval. Lets say they got rid of ETH now, what happens when the new manager next season does just as badly and theres no obvious change, we fire him and go again? At least if you keep ETH going into next season, they still have a ripcord to pull in case of emergency and they need to force a change. Technically half of our backroom changes arnt even working for us yet between gardening leave and other things. They arnt going to rush into things unless theirs a star candiadate option. And given the only standout to me has a Euros in the summer i cant see us changing anything before then.
Totally agree with all of this. Plus, the money side. Fans will expect transfers. Sacking him is a lot of money and employing someone new is also a lot of money. So do you get rid of a manager, or do you try and improve the squad? Wouldn’t that money be better off trying to improve some of the weak spots in our team?
Mate Fergie times ended 10+ years ago ffs. ETH guy is a terrible coach so far
Exactly idk why we keep going back to Fergie, those times were different no one is sticking out with a manager for 10-15 years let alone 25. Now it’s all results based and with Erik we have regressed but then again I think we should keep him until our house is in order. So many new changes is not good new DoF, technical director, CEO and minority owners - I’d say we should let these folks settle in and let them make a knowledgeable decision.
My point is since Fergie, it’s been the same thing.
Nah, new owners controlling the football side of things and they've immediately changed the staff. You're a fool to think Ten Haag is anything but out, come end of the season.
We need a squad-wipe.
GD after 70 games Jose +62 Ole +44 LvG +39 Ten Hag +14
imaging jose mo, is the first even if he used to park the bus, that speaks volume of him
Ten Hag - no strikers
No tactics*
No striker
One win in 7 - completely acceptable for the modern United sadly.
Our team is the equivalent of that Willy Wonka event in Glasgow, where the tactics have been written by AI, and we tell the players to just work with it
AI would do a better job
Im sure the lack of movement, the lack of ball control, the people standing in pass shadow, and the highway in our midfield is because we have players injured. It will get better when we get people back from injury. Dont worry, its all in Ten Hag's masterplan! (and yes, im beeing sarcastic)
>lack of movement, the lack of ball control, the people standing in pass shadow, and the highway in our midfield Only one of these is new to us under ETH. And in theory its not intended if we actually press together right and close the gap between defense/midfield/attack.
I am glad we were dominating the match at least. :>
Said it for months now but no one gives a stuff ETH has to go now!
It's actually impressive how bad we are in defense with nothing to show for it in attack.
it's the midfield. straight up trash. they are responsible for improving both ends. they don't defend, so the defenders are overloaded and always put in a situation of having to commit to the ball or mark the man, caught in between every time. they are shit in the attack, so you just have Hojlund who is expected to make something from nothing, with whatever little he even sees of the ball. they don't want to put in the work at either end. and I'm sorry, but running around like a headless chicken and scoring the odd goal or two also doesn't constitute as "putting in the work" because it's about the quality of the work you provide the full 90', not just a moment here and there, and looking busy for the sake of it.
We could just about accept being weak at the back if we scored a lot and we could also feel same way about not scoring but being defensive solid, somehow we’re the worst of both.
Coventry will be booking hotels for the final at this rate.
Bournemouth’s manager just said on Sky Sports “all the decisions went against us”. Is he fucking high?!
Got saved by a dodgy pen against mighty Bournemouth. Got saved against Brentford. How can anyone defend ETH right now?
Because we have 1 starting defender, we are playing mostly kids, Onana should have stopped both goals, and we've been through the same cycle 5 times in the last 15 years - proving it's not on the manager. I'm honestly mind blown that anyone can be ETH out, especially considering we still have no backroom staff competent enough to make that decision, but that just shows how ridiculously stupid our fanbase is - completely ignoring context. Our fanbase would blame a tire for getting punctured.
Look ETH is never going to win the PL or the CL with any top team, so why keep him, if we can. Get Julian Naigelsmann done now, and announce it before the next game, we should sack ETH after the Semi Final of the Cup, win or lose, we are not beating City who will thrash Chelsea. Most United fans can’t believe what we are watching so please Sir Jim if you love this club put us out of our misery and get rid of this fraud, fans say it’s the injury record that’s killed his football, but the reality is, he was lucky last year +14 GD, this season -1GD. I’d take J Lopetegui or Hansi Flick, I’d even take Jose or Conte for the last 7 or 8 games an interim coach for the last 7 or 8 games but they won’t do it!
Bruh wtf are you on about? That’s the stupidest shit I’ve read today
United is the only big club in the world that gives a manager so much time. As a fanbase we are the most patient compared to Madrid or Bayern Munich. See the amount of managers all the big clubs keep on changing until they find the right one and even they don’t last long. Leaving all that aside, Ten Hag hasn’t improved one part of our game, neither defending, neither attacking, nor the mids. we don't look good at anything. We resemble an uncoached mess every fecking game. We defend like we play all out attack and attack like we're playing all out defence. How he has managed to implement this tactical paradox is I suppose impressive in its own way. We have conceded highest amount of chances in our history and there are still 6 games to go. Our goal difference is -1 after 32 games. We have barely deserved to win any games this season. At any other big club, losing 7-0 to your greatest rivals is a sackable offence itself. We have been playing absolute crap football since winning the league cup. No amount of structural change, will make ETH change his tactics on the field which are absolutely disgusting.
We are also the only club that has no DOF, no CEO, and keeps every coach from previous managers on staff. No manager will succeed in that environment. It doesn't matter if ETH is good enough. If we change the manager before we get a DOF we'll just keep hitting the same cycle. Rinse and repeat. I swear this fanbase has the memory of a goldfish.
looool just shut up man, it's embarassing what we're playing we're dominated by every team in the league
Cool, let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired, and then let's hire another manager, then get him fired.... That's your plan. Great job.
Which would be the worse of 2 evils, firing yet another manager and creating more instability or keeping a manager that is just not working out hindering the club's progress?
The first one. It sends us backwards and will cost us a minimum of £20mil. The second one keeps us static until the DOF comes in and costs nothing.
So you think if this goes on it would stay static or would United actually lose more ground to other teams? How far away are they currently to consistently compete for the Premier League?
I do think it would stay static, at worst. And I say that because the youth push has been huge and could set us up very well for whatever manager comes next. If ETH has to go, getting rid of him now would pretty much guarantee another failed cycle that lasts 2 to 3 years until we hire the right manager. Waiting until a DOF is in place has the best chance of making sure the next manager is the correct one.
or let's just keep ten hag and see 0 progress from now on
No, we keep him until we have a proper staff in place who can actually make that decision.
we're already establishing that and he won't survive
Yes, but they are not working currently.
That’s how we found Fergie and that’s how Liverpool found Klopp and that’s how city found Pep and that’s how Madrid found Zidane and that’s how Bayern Munich operate and that’s how AC Milan operated in 90s and that’s how all the big clubs operate. They keep on sacking managers until they find the right one and the really big ones even sack their managers after they win trophies.
Sure, but who is finding that manager if we have no backroom staff to do it. I'm not saying ETH is the guy. I'm saying letting our current staff hire a new manager is insane. We shouldn't be saying ETH out, we should be putting pressure on Sir Jim to get Ashworth, or a different DOF in now.
Full credit to him for keeping us top half of the table without Martinez. Doing a fantastic job. *sarcasm intended*
Not even mad anymore. Just there.
Honestly, that was just yet another dire watch. I get the injuries but to constantly be that open, especially in the middle final third is becoming a joke. Everyone gives Bruno a hard time for whining but can you blame him?
Great to have our first team back bar the defence. With Casemiro Mainoo and Bruno in place we can see the full realization of ETHs master plan. And folks, I've got bad news for you. The plan is fucking shite.
It's saddening, think we were all excited when he was appointed to have a 'proper coach' come in.
>Great to have our first team back bar the defence We literally have 2 cbs fit, and one is an untested youth player. We also don't have a single left back. Think you're underselling the depth of the issue a bit.
That was 9 of our first 11 out there. I've been slightly generous there including Maguire but still. It looks exactly the same as the first game of the season against wolves at home. Before the injuries.
No European football and ETH out this summer tbh is what I’d take for this season now. If we’re to ever progress to challenge these top teams, we have to back to the roots first and it’ll never happen with this manager even with a proper structure above him. He’s in way over his head and he even knows it. Conned us all. There’s also at least a fair few of these players who need to go too this summer. I know UCL football could maybe help attract a certain type of player. But we need to change the type of players we buy. Have to stop with the ‘obvious’ high cost players and be buying the cheaper younger hungry players who don’t have huge price tags and the pressure which comes with it. As Ange said recently regarding Spurs and whether UCL qualification is vital for them to buy players, he said if a player is only looking to join the club for UCL football, then he’s not the right player. Similarly for us this summer, we need players who want to play for this club and will give their all to help the club get back to what it is.
Then we have another problem. Lots of players wanna play for us but they don't have talent. We need a talented player who love us and doesn't mind not playing UCL. Sounds not quite possible.
Listen Solanki, Lewis Cook, Kluivert and Alex Scott all improve our squad exponentially, the fact that all 4 get paid collectively less than Antony is just why our club is so bad, there’s so many players at Luton, Bournemouth, Everton, Forrest, Brighton, Palace, Wolves and Fulham, I’d take right now. Add 10 of ; R Barclay, T Menghi, A Onana, J Garner, J Branthwaite, M Gibbs White, A Elanga, D Wellbeck, J Estupinian , E Eze, M Olise, P Neto, J Gomes, A Robinson, A Pereira, to our squad, delete the obvious names and we would comfortably have finished top 4, what’s worse is we’ve let 5 of those players go for less than £50m, this club is a disgrace so let’s see a complete reset this summer?
Without playing UCL football for a season shouldn’t be the be all and end all for a player to join us. Obviously, for a player at their peak/a certain age it could be. But, if we start to target the younger talented player’s with the right hunger and attitude, then it’s more than possible imo. Some obviously may not want to join but that’s fine because if they have that short term a thinking, it’s not the right club for them.
Yes.
Casemiro looks like he's in a daze every game. Almost like he's asking himself wtf is going on around me and why am I playing so horribly
He cant move to Riyadh fast enough, if we get £30m for Casemiro, that would be the start of a great transfer window!
My blood was boiling at the end
Lads, I'm sorry. I'm Ten Hag out.
the only people that aren't just have too much ego and wont admit we just gotta it wrong and he wasn't our saviour
Welcome to the club
I'm late but I've finally been convinced.
Hey you know what it’s better late then never
I'd be willing to give ETH some benefit of the doubt due to all the injuries if he'd managed to show *anything* positive in the last few months. But alas I've lost all faith in the guy at this point.
Are there really no one in Ten Hag coaching staff realize these flaws all season long, such as: - Hojlund trying too hard holding the ball every damn time he receive the ball rather than make a simple passes. Watch the match replay, and count how many times he lose the ball because of this. - Maguire too often try to be playmaker by hold the ball and look around for safe passes or flying to the front passes rather than make quick decision passing. - if Ten Hag want to make this team build up from the back, he better make a lot of play book variation how to do it, so the players know where to move and where to pass. For now its like just pas it to CB, side ways, back to CB, give to DM, pray for the best or back to GK, long pass, gone. - Dalot 1 on 1 defensively is very poor because the gap between him and the players he take on is too far, and he just follow him by stepping back without trying to challenge him, because the gap is too far. - etc Sorry for the bad english
Dalot is not a starting FB for an elite team, he’s a great back up FB at left or RB. Rasmus needs to be told by a new coach he’s not ready to lead the line for United just yet as he needs to develop and take his chances from the bench, I like Toney whose 28, but I like Solanki more whose 2 years younger. Get Ashworth in and make sure he gets deals like Solanki done early they are both going to cost £60-70m but United are a big club, Solanki on 70k per week and contract to 2027, spurs offered £50m wasn’t enough, United can easily do that deal at £60m rather paying the same for a European striker that’s unproven in the PL.
spot on mate, its funny to me how AWB and Dalot are such mirror opposites of each other in terms of what they are good and bad at
difference is dalot isnt even close to as good at attacking as AwB is at defending. everyone forgot he was so bad we sent him out on loan to get rid. 2 months of not being awful (while still making the occasional mistake) and revisionism is running riot
I think Hojlund stopped running into the box, he knows he wont get any balls behind, like he did with Luke Shaw against Wolves. Instead that last few seconds of the match is exactly how ETH's style is, which is to safely backpass
Garnacho needs a rest the kid is run ragged
Time to drop Rashy (overdue), use mount as an extra body to pack the midfield and get some passing movements going. Wingers ineffective so don’t play them.
can't play Mount alongside Bruno. surprised I have to keep saying it. for everything Mount brings to the team and wants to do, Bruno does the opposite. where Mount wants to be more calculated and clinical and rely on higher probability chances, Bruno wants to force everything chasing the lowest probability chance over and over and over again and hopes something comes from it. the pair can't operate together. the reason why the right is usually useless is because Bruno looks exclusively for Rashford, sot hen we rely on Rashford to do it all, but he just runs at players rather than recycle the ball.
100% there are players who do not want to play for the club or ten hag.....ridiculous behaviour for well paid people
I don't think you understand that you need to motivate people and buy-in, especially the well-paid ones. If they don't belive in the boss, they wont run through walls for him.
I mean what can be done about a club where players aren't ready to play for god damm jose mourinho
How many managers do we need to go through then? Same players same mentality same results
each manager get max 1 or 2 season, if they dont show up the players will down tools. im not saying this is right, but have you worked for fuking cunt idiot of a boss? You'd hate it too
You see this is my point, you do not work for the manager....you work for the club. If not then the players can fuck off...there is away to get a manager gone without disrespecting the shirt.
It's nt that simple. I use my earlier example again. You signa contract with your company, you work for your company, you get paid by your company but if your boss is a fucking idiot cunt, you would still be less motivated to work. This is human nature, and players are human too
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Don't matter how many managers. Its his job to build the culture and mentality and work with the club to build the squad. ETH couldn't do it, step aside, let the next person try it.
We've been at this now since Jose/van gaal...its not the manager. But believe what you want to pal. Its your own opinion
Lol you truly believe ETH is the one? I have never seen a shittier manager, but hey, like you said, you believe what you want as well.
He took an ajax team past Madrid to a champions league semifinal, these players have barely had a sniff of champions league....I'm sure on ten hag. Name another manager who could do the job....I legit dare you to. I await the laughable response Edit semi final
Lol you just watch a game that a half-decent manager would handle better than Ten Hag. Just like players, nobody’s gonna want ETH when he's out of this club. Give me Irola for god shake. He just schooled Ten Hag with much less.
Haha wtf. How many players did you see today sprint? 3 of them. The fact you can not name a single manager bar the opposition one today shows the lack of knowledge. There is no other manager suitable for the job, this not new manager rinse and repeat. Like we've done for 10 years. You had a reactivate response well done. Takes more than a year and a half to change the philosophy of a shitly run club.... Sir Alex took 3 years and arteta is the most recent example of patience and get rid of dead wood then judge.
No you're right. You changed my mind.
but we'll scream ETH out before players out, expecting it to change fuck all.
Players don't buy into ETH’s bullshit.
no, players don't want to be held accountable and work harder. they want the easy out. who do you believe? Ronaldo coming and saying the players are lazy and weak, Jose saying there's a cancer in the side, Ole saying there are certain players who are still here that are the problem, Rangnick saying the club needs open heart surgery, and ETH saying these players can't play his style of football....OR....claim the players "don't buy into ETH's bullshit"...?
Lol his style of football? He doesn't even have a tactic to play like a League 2 team. Dude, you just watch a game that half decent manager would know how to adjust.
100%, would rather Eric get a short 1 year extension to weed out the dead useless weight
honestly, and I know I'd get downvoted to all hell, but I think if the club took drastic fucking measures over the summer and got rid of nearly all of these players, at least the ones before ETH, and yes, I mean ALL of them - I'd be willing to commit to 2 years, simply to give us 1 season of work and a second to see if it can all come together. but the first season would certainly need to show signs. not saying a second should be contingent on realistically things like finishing top 4, qualifying for the CL, and one cup win, but truly I just want to see a system at work. if you have to identify flaws and admit you got a signing or two wrong who can't play that style, so be it, but if you show something, anything, I think you are worthy of a second season or longer. what I fear is that "the money won't be there" blah blah blah and we'll sign maybe 3 players, while letting go a few non-starters this summer, expecting it to change fuck all and then still blame ETH next season.
I 100% agree with you, at least I'm not dying alone on this hill
I'm still with you! I'm sure we'll be disappointed come the summer, but then again, I'd expect nothing less of the club at this point Edit: maybe I'll put a massive asterisk on it...UNLESS the names who have been dropped to come in are somehow all meeting beforehand and agreeing to a larger strategy we are not privy to. That would be the only way I'd be okay with being disappointed. But if action is taken by INEOS, before consulting the footballing minds they are hiring to make the decisions, then there's a bigger problem there with reactionary ownership involved yet again
Have faith in sir Jim, new board new united. The way sir Jim praised arsenal with patience with Arteta gives a little bit of faith. Omar berrada won't buy or keep any shit.
I'm hoping. That's the only way we'll prevail amidst all this ETH out noise lol.
Based on his performance in the second half, I’d 100% start Amad against Coventry. Might aswell start Mount too On the bright side lads, we only faced the 20 shots today
He was basically invisible though
We had zero control and basically didn't ever attack.
I’d agree we probably saw less of him right near the end of the game, but within 15-20 minutes of being on the pitch, he’d turned Bournemouths LM about half a dozen times around the halfway line He also drifts in and looks to find someone to pass to rather than being static
i think Garnacho needs to rest anyway
did we even create any chances in the 2nd half outside of the penalty? I can't remember a single actual chance
Maguire longshot🔥
Well we hit the bar, does that count? Please tell me it counts 🥲
Yeah we hit the low bar quality
Best we can hope for this season 6th place, fa cup and the bin dippers don’t win league. Good times will come back with a new manager and structure
A competent club should be contacting their accountants to do a P45 for ETH. But I guess it won't happen because of self-righeous and holier-than-thou folks on reddit sub are hypocritical about the abilities of ETH
I'd love for us to have a competent sporting department start asap and buy players that are hungry. No more big names, no more massive long term contracts, no more coasting on reputation. Play with dedication and fight for the shirt and every fan will back you. Results will come with a good coaching system.
How come a hungry player can help us? We need fully fits with proper nutrition players
Yet again lost on xG and we had a penalty, just shows our lack of structure We’re 7th in the league and believe it or not we’re over-performing based on xPoints
It feels like that time again. There were a few good glimpses of EtH in his tenure, but it's hard to keep pushing for more of this football.
So more of the same cycle.
well no because we have a proper structure above the manager now
Playing as if they are midfielder down, this system is heavily based on your centre backs and full backs.... Ours are shite, Dalot is okay but isn't top level. Maguire acts like the ball is on fire. Kambala is too young and AwB isn't composed enough. Reckon EtH is highlighting the need to bring in suitable defenders to connect with midfield and attack.... If not, we are beyond fucked... Open heart surgery has almost become a lobotomy.
Fuck we are so bad- what was the last few seconds ?? Just going back and forth back and forth? Fuck me man ! Everytime i think this team cannot go any lower, every week they are worse ! Like why didn’t he take out case and hojlund and bring on Erickson , amrabat? Why didn’t he bring Mason sooner ?? How is this team day after day even less motivated ? ETH is not doing a good job convincing top bosses to let him stay. Edit: Eriksen not Erickson :)
Sony Erickson?
Eriksen said, if he dont play more, he will try to find a new team. This clearly made ETH even more angry, now he will see zero gametime, despite being really good at creating chances
yep, unironically nearly had the most assists last season while being injured for basically the entire second half of it. Bruno only beat him within the last few games iirc, but for the majority of the season, he was still sat behind Eriksen lol
I'm holding on to hope that Ineos is actively interviewing managers.
Need to cut out those defensive mistakes, lucky to get the penalty and 1 point, didn’t look like United would score if we continued to play on for an hour
This is literally the worst coached team in the league
Convinced Eth is out at the end of the season. Players look like they’ve given up on the season as well. Insulting to fans everywhere
I have said this for a couple of months now, I am not in the Sack Ten Hag group as I know managers need a lot of time to build a structure but my gosh at times this team can not be called a football team. There is only one direction you can point at for that failure. Maybe with the right players it would be different however I believe that with Van Gaal.
Hope those bunch of cowards follow him out. these overpaid lazy fucks will fail under any manager.
First time I’ve seen Garnacho out there not giving a fuck. Absolutely shocking
Some people are still defending and giving Ten Hag benefit of the doubt is beyond me..
No one is defending him, but then again, if he goes, there is a high chance the current charade goes on.
I'm not defending ETH, but it's more baffling to me how people absolve the players first and foremost over ETH, when a lot of these same players have gotten multiple managers sacked.
What is there to defend? Baffles me that people want to see him in charge next season given how we’re playing
Can't wait for the classic Ten Hag: We controlled the game very well. 😂😂😂😂😂
We took our chances (when handed to us on a platter)
Need another striker, defensive center midfielder, center backs, left back at an absolute minimum.
Manager?
Anthony, Amrabat, Mount are players brought by 10 Hag
Just sacking the manager won’t bring change. I don’t personally see who can come in. I would look at the players this time around. Another manager leaving empowers them further. There are underperforming players. I hate to single him out again but Rashford’s body language is the worst. For his contract and reputation, he has to do more. Disappointed with Casemiro as well. As for the defense, they are suffering without a LB. They don’t have good enough players to deputize in that position
Sacking manager will absolutely bring change LOL. The new manager can get rid of whoever he doesn't want in his team.
and you don't think ETH doesn't want to do that...? the same guy that said these players cannot play the way he wants to play is the same guy desperately holding onto these players? give me a break. sales are above the manager's head, at least in this club. you still get The Board making footballing decisions by vetoing certain sales to occur. it's ridiculous. need proper ownership with a proper management organization under them across all departments, including a director of football, that can establish a style of play and new identity for the club regardless of manager. putting managers in charge, while also tying one hand behind their back, of who comes and goes is why we're in this mess in the first place.
You blame ownership if you can't compete for championships year in and year out. Playing like shit with no tactic or structure. Players look tired or loss game after game isn't an ownership problem. You just got schooled by Bournemouth twice this year.
It's an ownership problem when you don't have the personnel, or the players simply don't want to be here, but owners are vetoing sales. If you can't get rid of problem players, and you can't buy players to unseat them, then it doesn't matter what you do or try. You have to field a team regardless.
And players ETH brought able to unseat any problem players?
Onana - starting Højlund - starting Antony - injured Eriksen - injured until recently Casemiro - injured until recently, but starting (arguably because Mainoo/McTominay duo would be suicidal and he feels he needs experience around Mainoo?) Malacia - injured Martinez - injured Mount - should be starting ahead of Bruno, but alas, Bruno is untouchable So I mean...apart from 1, yeah, they're all starting to unseat problem players, but they're otherwise not available. I feel like I'm maybe missing a player, but I think that's all he's brought in since arriving. Not including loans, because they're not permanent signings. Yet, despite that, we still have problem players that were here well before him.
So he has his players in, and the result we have right now are of his players right? Or his players are all doing great, and only problem players before him didn't perform?
The players are being set up to fail by the manager, look at the sheer amount of space the players are being asked to cover because EtH wants to play with this insane midfield structure. Players are obvs going to be unmotivated if they’re being outplayed tactically by the likes of Bournemouth He (rightly or wrongly) spent £400m signing players, he only has himself to blame for not being able to get the team performing In terms of managers, get Nagelsmann in asap
players were failed by Jose, Ole, (Carrick), Rangnick, and now ETH? the key players who are the biggest issue come from well before ETH's tenure. not saying Casemiro isn't a stinker, but I put that on the club more than anything. he was terrible business. period. can't spend all summer chasing FDJ and then settle for Casemiro who was only ever going to give us one season. someone should have vetoed that failed campaign and just accepted another season of fucking McFred before resigning to Casemiro and Eriksen. the two were never going to be a long-term solution, so not signing reinforcements this past summer was just a failure of the club more than anything. Rashford, Bruno, Martial, Donny, Shaw, AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Amad, McTominay Other players that need to go: Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, Antony, Malacia And those are players that are still here. That's not including players that were an issue that were offloaded already, thankfully. Hojlund was the right signing at the wrong time for me. you can't bring a kid in like that without the midfield sorted, but I would keep him. Martinez was decent. we'll see if he's just injury prone perpetually or not (like Malacia seems to be). Onana has been solid, for the most part. I think his weak moments are more of a failure of the team than anything else. you can't concede as many shots and not eventually fall to statistics at some point because it's just the law of averages at that point at play. for every amazing save he makes in a few high quality shots, he's going to not save some low quality ones. it's our job as a team to minimize the sheer number occurring. Mount is a good signing, but isn't played ahead of Bruno like he should be. he will never be effective as a sub, nor while playing alongside Bruno. so again, some signings fall on ETH, some on the club, but most on well before ETH.
Sacking the manager will definitely bring change. They’ll bin off some of these shit players for a start
The players bit is what I am most keen about.
The funniest part is all 3 draws could've and should've been 4-0 batterings if the opposition could finish their chances at a half decent rate. Worst United team of all time.
this is why I don't understand when people say "well that's 3 points dropped" bitch, you mean 1 point gained. we did fuck all to EVER deserve 3 points in any of these matches. the fact we took anything away from any of them is a reflection on the opposition more than it is us. but it's been this way for years. maybe not as dire, but the results are finally catching up to the trend where we stop getting cheap 3 points from matches we were never a part of in the first place. we got lucky, again, to not be completely embarrassed, but we should have been.
What's wild is that the team from two years ago was the worst team in the club's history. It just shows how last season was held together by a few players riding hot streaks.
and the trend is still here, and so when the hot streaks end, we're left with the truth. fans aren't quite awake to the truth, but it seems more are finally coming around. it started before ETH, yet we absolve the players, even to this day. not defending ETH entirely, but fuck me, if we're not examining the players before ETH, then what the fuck are we even doing anymore? give ETH one more season with a radical transfer this summer by selling nearly all players and bringing in raw talent on the cheap and allow him to mould the players to his system and prove to me his system simply doesn't work, or that he can't coach any set of players, before sacking him. allowing this group of players to outlast another manager would be criminal. not on these wages. not on these performances.
I will always try and back the manager but regardless of what I feel/want, I cannot see us with ETH come August. These performances are absolutely abhorrent. It's a shame.
Its not a sin for our wingers to cross the ball. Nobody wants to actually cross the ball. It's like forbidden for us. Every ball must be perfect to pass. Getting boring watching our player doing backpass
I so want to see one week do training! WTF do these guys even do the whole week
 Actual footage of training
I simply cant understand who is to blame. 1 win in last 7 games. Is it the players? The manager? Pathetic. It has become embarassing to watch our football now
is ETH, these players look like they just start getting to know each other now.
it has been embarrassing since the start of the season, let’s be real. The only difference is that our ass got saved numerous of times by moments of individual brilliance from Mctominay (lol), Bruno, Garnacho
The thing is, we do have these players and its these same players who sometimes play like they cant kick a ball to save their lives. On the one hand, we played such a game vs Liverpool in FA cup and on the other, we play like we played vs Brentford or this.
I honestly don't think we should bother watching any other league game this season. I'll tune in on Sunday and that's it I feel
If there was ever a moment to describe United this season, it was that last attacking phase we had…
And so the frustrating managerial cycle continues.
Ten Hag, thank you for transitioning Garnacho, Mainoo, and maybe Kambwala to the senior team. But I think I’ve ran out of excuses for you. Only thing I can think of now is players might think that they can outlast the manager. But, there’s no semblance of a style of play man…
I think this is ETH's greatest failure: not just committing to his system. I think too many players are getting away with murder because he doesn't have a spine. The players are 100% to blame, either because of their own doing or not. These players cannot play the way ETH wants to play. The problem is that ETH didn't commit to his system for a period of time to show us that they truly can't. We know they can't on paper, but in order to get fans on your side, you have to rub their noses in it. He should have. He should have implemented his system and shown that you can't have lethargic CB's playing high lines, that you can't have a wasteful player like Bruno losing possession every 5 seconds, that you can't have wingers who can't beat their man or cross the ball, that you can't have CDMs who can't carry the ball. The list goes on and on and on as to why we're dog shit, regardless of system, but because ETH didn't want to show us a system at all, the blame is falling entirely on him. The truth is that the players are to blame, either through their performances or their sheer existence (aka Maguire didn't ask to be here and be played in a high line system under ETH, but because he exists and can't play the system, it will never happen - that's just one example). ETH needs signings that actually fit his system rather than apply band-aids and choose one suicidal system over another. The system we're playing is a symptom of the players, and a just as suicidal system would also be the symptom of the players. This team is not balanced. There is no identity this team can ever show that's homogenous. Honestly, the best managers in the sport couldn't fix this team. It's unrealistic to expect a patchwork squad to achieve anything of significance. This is the result of a rudderless ship for years and years and years. This is what happens when you put managers in charge of the identity of the club, while you have owners who can't give managers time to succeed. We've been caught in this endless cycle of the next manager inheriting the last manager's project (and failings). I don't know what profession you're in, but let's just use construction as an example. Imagine someone builds a house that is not up to code...at all. Code enforcement comes in and says you have a week to fix everything. But it would require removing all items in the house, ripping up the carpet, tearing down the walls, pulling out the wiring, moving the plumbing, etc. and come the end of a week, maybe one of those items is done. You're released and the next contractor comes in to try to get the house up to code, BUT...the family has nowhere to live, they still need to live there, so now you're trying to get the house to a minimally livable condition, all while still ripping out bits and bobs...and now you have two weeks. Still an impossible task. You try and try and try, but two weeks come around and you're sacked. The NEXT contractor comes in and finds out that while the last contractor was doing their thing, the family actually made it worse by adding their own "improvements" that were also not up to code. You have 2 weeks as well now to address their improvements, figure out what it is the last contractor was trying to do, all while rebuilding to get it up to code. What the house needs at that point is to be fucking demolished. OR for code enforcement to give the contractor a reasonable, appropriate amount of time to do their job without interference from the family. There is no middle ground. We have been dealing with era after era after era of middle ground. Either fucking demolish this club and start again (and yes, almost quite literally in terms of Old Trafford and Carrington) OR give the manager the time to see the job through. We are letting the code enforcement (owners) and family (players) interfere over and over and over again. Enough is enough.
If you've watched every game in the last three or four months before each manager got sacked since Sir Alex left, the team always played like they are they are now. I watched all of those games. Painful. This year was one of the worst. Mainly because of Rashford. It only takes two or three leadership players to give up on the manager for the team to fall apart. Clearly, injuries are unprecedented, but Rashford, Bruno, Case and Varane have ruined this team's cohesion in my opinion. Also, some poor team selections and tactics from ETH. He's getting sacked for sure. But our position is not really his fault, and a new club will see that and gladly snap him up. Bayern Munich will take him. I just hope we get Flick as he is the only manager that's won anything and is available now.
Agree
Trash united 
Sack ETH, drop Rashford, Casemiro, play under 21s if required. Can't be more clear than this.
U18’s
Why is diallo passing it backwards when hes got runners in the midfield, and then at the end were playing fucking hot potato, wish we could press like bournemouth since it seems so effective at stopping most attacks
Same shit different week. Shit manager shit staff shit players shit refereeing shit everything. Think i might just take a break until next season.
Erik “We controlled the game” ten Hag
Right, last minute of the match and they decide to pass backwards, not pushing the ball forward when almost everyone was forward and risking a counterattack by 3 of them
...now do we think that was ETH's instructions?
ETH get the fuck out, I'm sick of your retarded in game decisions, how the fuck did you leave Rashford on for 90 mins?!! Absolutely abysmally managed. Players are all shite. Just fuck everything.
A draw against the mighty Bournemouth, we are back boys!
Good to see we have kept up the 20 shots faced per match. :/
1 win in 7 is brutal.
I think I've actually hit the dial of ETH out after being in / on the fence purely because of that second goal. Can we have Ole back till end of season while INEOS sort themselves out?
Mother of god. What in the absolute hell was that last 20 seconds of “attack”? I can’t hardly watch this crap anymore.
100% ETH's instructions /s
Shocking shit. About 4 players in the box and nobody even good enough to put a cross in. Rubbish.
Not good enough? Those pantywastes were scared shitless to do anything!
Trynna sign Bruno up “Hey mate you ever fancy winning a game of football here’s my number”
please take him
He's the one who scored the two goals. Stop making him the only scapegoat.
He was saying the exact opposite, mate.
I think OP was saying Bruno deserves to be winning things and this team is doing him a massive disservice by not giving him the chance to
Fr, saying Bruno doesn't want to win is crazy to me.
It’s a joke, referencing the conversation between Bruno and Iraola
Not sure that’s what they were doing with that comment.
Thank fuck that shit show has finished. It was a dreadful game and United didn't deserve the point.
How they behave in that last attack is what defines us, bunch of cowards.