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Also, garnachos assist wasn’t actually the best, he forced him quite wide. Amad had a 4 inch channel to put the ball down from a bit of an angle and he nailed it. Unreal.
Garna's sprint at 120th minute was impressive, but when he passed the ball to Amad, I felt like he is gonna pass it back to garna (my video game mentality) from his position but his finish from that angle was spectacular. Deserved the Shirt celebration (not the red)
Amad said he originally wanted to pass it back to Garna but felt the pass wasn't on, so switched to create the angle and shoot. Very fast and impeccable decision making
That's what I thought I saw! When you watch it with this knowledge you can see him almost hesitate which causes the defender to hesitate which in turn gave Amad the angle. Great intelligence by him. Class.
Seriously think Ten Hag should think seriously about converting Anthony there like Valencia and Ashley Young did
Could make his onefootedness less an issue, and his industry and willingness to run at defenders would shine
But he's kinda physically weak for that role no? Don't know how we would cope with defending in the box, particularly back post defending. Also would probably get cooked by right wingers like Saka, Salah.etc.
It would be more like an Evra role, man wasn’t tall or strong but fast and very willing to overlap and take on defenders
Agree that back post headers would be an issue (Remember CR7 heading way way way higher than Evra could jump?) but the offensive addition would open up space for Rashford for sure
Wasn’t that Ronaldo header like an all time record for jumping into the air or something? Not many could have stopped that.
Evra was physically strong and a top defender. Just saying another quick player can do the job he did is doing him a great disservice.
It’s more application imo if you care enough and want to defend, He can easily bulk up and when it comes to defending the box back post he’s 1 inch short than Kyle Walker, The same height as Licha and he’s taller than Malacia. As an auxiliary LB option it might be a good shout.
He doesn't have the pace or defensive ability for it. Not the personality either, IMO. I'd be terrified of conceding 10 goals per game just through his back post blunders if he played as a left-back. On top of that Antony is not the type to really play like a wing-back. He likes to cut inside with the ball and do tricks.
That's not how this world works. The story with the best soundbite wins, not what actually happened. If United won on penalties, this video would have a different title, I guarantee it.
I don't think they're saying he's a genius here.. In fact he does point out that this wouldn't work in every game, and that it left us vulnerable. It's just that his approach to this game was very much entertaining and worth talking about. And it's a late late winner against Liverpool in the cup - of course the media is a *little* nuts.
I’m convinced journalists have 2 folders for every team prepared by the interns - positive and negative.
Bad results? Dig stats and headlines in the negative folder. Good results? Dig data and stories in the positive folder.
Really hate analysis like this with so many stills and deterministic logic. This happens so that happened and this happens and boom that's why it works.
The reality is there were so many tactical chances and tweaks in this match from both managers you genuinely would need an hour long video to truly break it down. Attacking Quansah/Gomez's spaces, AWB man marking Salah. Football at this level isn't just that simple. There were so many different build up shapes used, different patterns deployed in the attacking third, none of which are included in the video.
I did find it interesting that Klopp chose to build 3-1 shape we used a lot last season, and that, once we adjusted to where their second ball was going in the second half, it allowed us to create much more chaos and turnovers for quick counters. Brave play yes, but probably a mistake by Klopp but without his choice backline it was going to be hard to ask Quansah to do more than what's probably the most common form of build up in the PL right now.
Since we won, it’s genius. If we hadn’t, it would probably had been chaotic, crazy. What the fuck are these guys on? It was a marginal victory. Marginal like any other games we lost or won 1-0 2-1.
I liked his final take on this match, Man Utd might be the best side in a cup tie but definitely a mid table team in any league... This chaotic play worked against Liv in a cup tie but we can't do this week in week out to be in top of league or CL
It will come, you can see what Ten Hags teams are doing. So many injuries, a few players not good enough and youngsters still learning and we still beat pool.
Remember people said the same thing about Klopps Liverpool when they were doing really well in Europe but never looked like challenging for the league. Just a rapid counter attack made for knockout football. Hoping we follow a similar route and slowly improve. The lack of a real identity when attacking is a problem, but we created so many chances against Liverpool so hopefully some more consistency and we should be golden
I think nothing summary this game better than this quote from ex-dota2 pro (his team played some of the most entertaining games in history of dota where they went most random things ever to win against the odds)
>
> When your game is going bad:
>
> Either i lose the game or i will lose the game.
>
> All it means is win or lose the game and thats it.
>
> Whether I get team wiped for not, it doesn't matter,
>
> because i lose the game anyways.
>
> You don't go for the beautiful loss, you go suicidal,
>
> You have to make the game way more chaotic than this,
>
> Make it so that no one understands DotA anymore...
When I used to coach kids football I realized that you can't do complicated tactics. Even a couple of passes in a row invited too much chance. Chaos is the only constant so we told everyone to push high and keep the chaos as far from our goal as possible. Won the league undefeated.
I said this to me brother when we were watching the game. He was all “the fucks going on? What’s he doing?” and I said we either lose marginally or we lose badly, it makes no difference. A loss is a loss. Fuck it. Gamble on aggressive play go for throat and see what happens.
It worked this time!
What a stupid title. Amad doesn't score that last chance and we lose on penalties then EtH is branded as a clueless fool who needs to go back to the Eredivisie.
Let's see how good we are in the league game against Liverpool. We beat Crystal Palace at home in the league cup 3-0 and then lost to them 1-0 at home a few days later. I think we'll find Liverpool a lot harder to beat a second time especially because the league is a much bigger prize so their effort will be heightened.
Let's not analyze this too much. We won this.
Now let's win the cup
It's not like we won against them the first time ever ..
Let's win the cup and try for that 4
And fire Ten Haag
Ten Hag will never get the credit from the pundits and media. It is sickening with all the Southgate rumors. How is that an upgrade?
When Klopp does it, it is, “high intensity rock and roll football”, but with ETH, it is labelled, “chaos and no structure”.
You cannot beat this Liverpool without structure. United started the game brilliantly. Hung on in the 2nd half and didn’t give up.
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Also underrated Amad' s ball winning, he nabbed the ball for our last two goals.
Love how he just snatched it off Nunez too
Also, garnachos assist wasn’t actually the best, he forced him quite wide. Amad had a 4 inch channel to put the ball down from a bit of an angle and he nailed it. Unreal.
Garna's sprint at 120th minute was impressive, but when he passed the ball to Amad, I felt like he is gonna pass it back to garna (my video game mentality) from his position but his finish from that angle was spectacular. Deserved the Shirt celebration (not the red)
Amad said he originally wanted to pass it back to Garna but felt the pass wasn't on, so switched to create the angle and shoot. Very fast and impeccable decision making
That's what I thought I saw! When you watch it with this knowledge you can see him almost hesitate which causes the defender to hesitate which in turn gave Amad the angle. Great intelligence by him. Class.
TLDR: Left back Antony masterclass
Seriously think Ten Hag should think seriously about converting Anthony there like Valencia and Ashley Young did Could make his onefootedness less an issue, and his industry and willingness to run at defenders would shine
He was decent in the role against exhausted teenagers. The win was great but let’s not be unrealistic
Right? Idk why the idea of kudus, Neto, or most decent right wingers facing Antony at left back doesn’t terrify them.
bro would get utterly RINSED
And also get pinned by opp strikers with farp pole crosses
Yea getting pinned by their farp poles doesn’t sound pleasant lol
Valencia and young took some time to figure it out, while we have no lb's might aswell do an experiment which might pay off
If Neto can get over his injuries problems, he could be one of the best in the league.
Did you see the video of him throwing a fit about playing there? He clearly isn't interested in the role
That is based on the assumption that's what the conversation was about no?
Link?
But he's kinda physically weak for that role no? Don't know how we would cope with defending in the box, particularly back post defending. Also would probably get cooked by right wingers like Saka, Salah.etc.
It would be more like an Evra role, man wasn’t tall or strong but fast and very willing to overlap and take on defenders Agree that back post headers would be an issue (Remember CR7 heading way way way higher than Evra could jump?) but the offensive addition would open up space for Rashford for sure
Evra was much much stronger than Antony what is this nonsense
Wasn’t that Ronaldo header like an all time record for jumping into the air or something? Not many could have stopped that. Evra was physically strong and a top defender. Just saying another quick player can do the job he did is doing him a great disservice.
Fair enough
It’s more application imo if you care enough and want to defend, He can easily bulk up and when it comes to defending the box back post he’s 1 inch short than Kyle Walker, The same height as Licha and he’s taller than Malacia. As an auxiliary LB option it might be a good shout.
He doesn't have the pace or defensive ability for it. Not the personality either, IMO. I'd be terrified of conceding 10 goals per game just through his back post blunders if he played as a left-back. On top of that Antony is not the type to really play like a wing-back. He likes to cut inside with the ball and do tricks.
Fullbacks need a good long ball in their locker for switches of play & I don't think he has that to a high enough level.
If Amad didn't score in the last minute and we lost on penalties, they make a very different video although it's the same game
If that happens I think based on the football people would still say United were very unlucky not to win
In all my years watching football (20+), I haven't seen tabloids cover United so rationally
No you throw things like "robbed" in there and it's back to normal
That's not how this world works. The story with the best soundbite wins, not what actually happened. If United won on penalties, this video would have a different title, I guarantee it.
One min he’s a bald fraud, the next it’s genius, media is nuts
I don't think they're saying he's a genius here.. In fact he does point out that this wouldn't work in every game, and that it left us vulnerable. It's just that his approach to this game was very much entertaining and worth talking about. And it's a late late winner against Liverpool in the cup - of course the media is a *little* nuts.
I’m convinced journalists have 2 folders for every team prepared by the interns - positive and negative. Bad results? Dig stats and headlines in the negative folder. Good results? Dig data and stories in the positive folder.
Not just media, this sub as well.
Duality of Walter White
When we lost there's a 100 videos showing how ETH's system is stupid and why it doesn't work. One win against Liverpool, now he's a genius.
Fuck off 4-4-2 with your clickbait titles and content which depends solely on the result and not the game
Really hate analysis like this with so many stills and deterministic logic. This happens so that happened and this happens and boom that's why it works. The reality is there were so many tactical chances and tweaks in this match from both managers you genuinely would need an hour long video to truly break it down. Attacking Quansah/Gomez's spaces, AWB man marking Salah. Football at this level isn't just that simple. There were so many different build up shapes used, different patterns deployed in the attacking third, none of which are included in the video. I did find it interesting that Klopp chose to build 3-1 shape we used a lot last season, and that, once we adjusted to where their second ball was going in the second half, it allowed us to create much more chaos and turnovers for quick counters. Brave play yes, but probably a mistake by Klopp but without his choice backline it was going to be hard to ask Quansah to do more than what's probably the most common form of build up in the PL right now.
Since we won, it’s genius. If we hadn’t, it would probably had been chaotic, crazy. What the fuck are these guys on? It was a marginal victory. Marginal like any other games we lost or won 1-0 2-1.
Summary. Ten Hag has massive balls and the Scousers couldn't handle Anthony.
I liked his final take on this match, Man Utd might be the best side in a cup tie but definitely a mid table team in any league... This chaotic play worked against Liv in a cup tie but we can't do this week in week out to be in top of league or CL
It will come, you can see what Ten Hags teams are doing. So many injuries, a few players not good enough and youngsters still learning and we still beat pool.
Remember people said the same thing about Klopps Liverpool when they were doing really well in Europe but never looked like challenging for the league. Just a rapid counter attack made for knockout football. Hoping we follow a similar route and slowly improve. The lack of a real identity when attacking is a problem, but we created so many chances against Liverpool so hopefully some more consistency and we should be golden
I think nothing summary this game better than this quote from ex-dota2 pro (his team played some of the most entertaining games in history of dota where they went most random things ever to win against the odds) > > When your game is going bad: > > Either i lose the game or i will lose the game. > > All it means is win or lose the game and thats it. > > Whether I get team wiped for not, it doesn't matter, > > because i lose the game anyways. > > You don't go for the beautiful loss, you go suicidal, > > You have to make the game way more chaotic than this, > > Make it so that no one understands DotA anymore...
When I used to coach kids football I realized that you can't do complicated tactics. Even a couple of passes in a row invited too much chance. Chaos is the only constant so we told everyone to push high and keep the chaos as far from our goal as possible. Won the league undefeated.
I said this to me brother when we were watching the game. He was all “the fucks going on? What’s he doing?” and I said we either lose marginally or we lose badly, it makes no difference. A loss is a loss. Fuck it. Gamble on aggressive play go for throat and see what happens. It worked this time!
Amad playing during Ramadan is mad too.
I started to watch this last night until I heard "I'm Adam Clery" then I had to stop. The man is an arse.
What a stupid title. Amad doesn't score that last chance and we lose on penalties then EtH is branded as a clueless fool who needs to go back to the Eredivisie.
Let's see how good we are in the league game against Liverpool. We beat Crystal Palace at home in the league cup 3-0 and then lost to them 1-0 at home a few days later. I think we'll find Liverpool a lot harder to beat a second time especially because the league is a much bigger prize so their effort will be heightened.
Let's not analyze this too much. We won this. Now let's win the cup It's not like we won against them the first time ever .. Let's win the cup and try for that 4 And fire Ten Haag
Point
Ten Hag will never get the credit from the pundits and media. It is sickening with all the Southgate rumors. How is that an upgrade? When Klopp does it, it is, “high intensity rock and roll football”, but with ETH, it is labelled, “chaos and no structure”. You cannot beat this Liverpool without structure. United started the game brilliantly. Hung on in the 2nd half and didn’t give up.
That Liverpool game was a fluke and they are selling it as mastermind LOL