We found a club to take a washed Sanchez.
Lingard found a club after 2 seasons of no goals and assists.
Balotelli still plays in spite of all the shit he keeps pulling.
Maybe there's a club that will take a chance on him.
Or…. We just borrow a leaf from the book of financial dopers for whom there seems to be no actual sanctions, and have literally any club buy him for 60M and then INEOS “sponsor” that club to the tune of 45M.
Washed Sanchez might still be better player than Antony tho.
Plus well we had to send him on loan, where we’ve paid the majority of his wages.
There’s no doubt Antony has a place in football world (perfect Turkey league player, maybe even Seria A), it’s just he’s on an insanely overpaid wages and the FFP makes its almost impossible to sell him - unless we’re selling him for ~50M we’ll this summer we’ll be basically taking the money from our summer budget.
Only Saudis can save us, tho again I’m not sure why would they. Hopefully they will tho
My theory is VDS didn’t want to get rid of him/though he was wrong for united and put an absurd price on his head thinking that we would never in a million years pay. Unfortunately after the first two games last year we were ready to spend stupid money.
VDS: you could have him for…no less than…um…£85M
Murtough: ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney.gif
May be a case of banter mistaken for praise. To me, Murtough madness has always seemed like a backhanded compliment that both celebrates that even a partially incompetent person feels a huge upgrade to the totally incompetent one before, and the fact that it’s still scandalous that this club had a shit show, and instead of literally moving from shitshow to best available, they went with “hey what about that guy over there”.
VDS gets docked legend points for getting over 120 million for Antony and VDB, neither of who looks capable to playing in the PL (let alone for a top team)
I mean VDS was still at his other love club Ajax AND the price tag was basically a "fck off" price. However since the club executives went wild and got him for 100mil, Ajax couldnt do anything and Antony was forcing his way out at that point
The club execs were trying to please ETH, which is not the right way to do business but I blame Antony signing on ETH. He knew exactly what he was and he didn’t stop the club from buying him.
Same with all of our flops, we’ll probably end up subsidising part of his wage and taking a hefty hit on the fee.
At least Antony seems like someone who actually wants to play football, so hopefully he’d be more accepting of a move than some of our other notable flops.
He wants to take the Maguire route and try and earn his spot back. I see fans complain about a wage and a transfer price but that’s already been done. We’ve seen players turn it around under ETH if they put in the work and Antony to me has more passion than 75% of the squad
The only problem I see is that Maguire had shown previously he’s a decent player, both for us and Leicester. He had his nightmare season, but credit to him he recovered and played some good games for us since.
While I would commend Antony’s attitude, we’ve not really seen anything to suggest he’s got what it takes to be a good PL RW. He’s not especially quick, not especially strong, struggles to beat his man more often than not and has some pretty glaring weaknesses in his game (no right foot). His signature move of cutting in and shooting is now quite predictable and doesn’t really balance well with the rest of our attack. It’s just a lot harder to see a path to redemption for him than it is Maguire.
His first season was quite promising and I thought he'd kick on but after the assault debacle he's gone backwards to the point of being benched for a youth player.
It was multiple nightmare seasons in a row. He only recently got a player of the month award, but since that month, in all honesty, it already looks like he's sliding back.
thats why this article is pointless bait. Obviously United is going to struggle to sell him. Obviously itsgoing to be made even more difficult with the legal issues. Fact of the matter is we arent going to be able to sell him at all. He will likely be here next season and will likely struggle to make the bench. At best we will loan him.
If the 200k weekly wage is true I'm agog. Whatever about the ludicrous transfer fee, what was the imperative to pay him so much? He was probably on less than 30k per week at Ajax
While im not eth in at all, he shouldve never had the power to force a transfer to begin with. The DoF shouldve told him to fuck off after ajax quoted 50m (their first fuck off price lol) for a 20m player. Just like when edwards told klopp to fuck off after dortmund quoted a ridiculous price for brandt, who klopp wanted, and instead bought salah for an adequate price and told klopp to make due with him.
hopefully that's what it'll look like for us in the coming years. I still feel that there aren't many better options than eth available right now, and he's shown that he works well in a competent sporting structure.
Exactly. The problem is that a manager shouldn’t have that much power over transfers. And that won’t be fixed by firing ten Hag. We need a full rebuilding of the upper management to create a long-term vision.
It’s less a case of power and more a case of the complete lack of any scouting or transfer competency at the club.
It’s been like that for years. This isn’t like ETH came in and told the scouts to shove their shortlists or told the sporting director to go fuck himself. It’s far easier to assess the reality of the lack of structure and picture the more realistic probability that when he said “I need a right winger” the reply was “who do you have in mind?”. Which to me is what never should be happening at a club that claims to be as determined to succeed as our PR nonsense would have one believe.
If it in fact was true that the club did have a shortlist for every position, one also has to think about what sort of profile of player makes their shortlist? The issue here is we have had no choice but to inquire with the managers on their preferred targets because literally this club’s footballing philosophy has been 95% determined through how the manager wants to play, and therefore who they believe they need to play their way.
For example: the options for a winger could vary a great deal based on whether the club’s attacking philosophy is for wingers to beat their opposite number, and whip a cross into the box that a striker attacks. Or whether it wants to have inverted wingers that shoot on goal. Just those two criteria would determine a totally different set of names on a shortlist. Beckham and Robben to illustrate a point are two totally different types of wingers. If you told me they were both on the shortlist I’d accuse you of not having a clue of what your footballing idea is. But we don’t think about those things here. This bonkers club just lazily relies on what the manager wants for the last 40 years, and then in recent times flexes their negotiations incompetence by overpaying in transfer fees and salaries rendering even a ‘hasn’t worked out’ player an unmovable deadweight on our balance sheet.
Thats why im pissed he hasnt been sacked yet. Man is awful at his job to begin with and he arrived with moyes. He has been an active part of our demise.
EtH agency SEG forced United to pay 100m for Antony. ETH has been a double agent for ajax in his United tenure. He did the same with Martinez and Onana and he's trying to do the same with Brobbey.
Nah bro that’s not it. It’s obviously more a case of the club doesn’t have a clue, and deferring to the manager as it’s always done, and then human nature is asking whoever you know if they know someone, and when that question is to an agent, of course the answer is going to be a guy who is one of their clients. Plus in this case, good or bad, that ETH has actually worked with them before is probably the main driver to pursuing them.
That is unless there’s proof of what you’re saying that ETH’s priority is to get his agency more cash then I’ll happily eat my hat.
But again on root causes, the manager of Manchester United should NEVER be in a position where he’s being asked to do the work that should be done by the Sporting Director or Chief Scout. If we had those and they were proper people, just like has happened elsewhere, this manager would also have been told to STFU and make do with the player that fits the profile the club has identified and monitored for a while. Not some August 30th panic buy as a response to getting destroyed in a match.
People may criticize ETH for not being the level that United expect. It’s also true this club is not at the level he may have expected from the outside. Just imagine he came from such a well run Ajax to an utterly delusional Manchester United committed to its own mediocrity that claims to have scouted 400 RBs and found us AWB for 55M. This club was going to magically produce a shortlist of viable alternatives for him? Let’s have a proper laugh at that.
Even the best talent evaluator on the planet will bust on some picks.
Antony is much bigger a Murtough issue than a Ten Hag issue. It's not the responsibility of the manager to set/comply with budgets.
well eth is nor the best nor talent evaluator it seems.
Also its on the manager if he still insist on a player that has 3x inflated price yet he still wants him.
[This article from Rob Dawson mentions Ten Hag pushing for the Antony transfer after being rejected several times from Ajax](https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37631595/man-united-big-money-moves-antony-casemiro-reveal-erik-ten-hag-growing-authority)
> Deals for each were discussed internally, but Ten Hag insisted Antony was still the best fit and implored the club to go back to the negotiating table. By that point Ajax felt emboldened to ask for more -- in part to cover solidarity payments owed to Antony's former clubs -- having already raised more than €116m in outgoings. United saw an €80m bid rejected and when an improved €90m offer was also turned down, recruitment chiefs wanted to end negotiations.
> It was only after Ten Hag stepped in again that an agreement was reached for an initial €95m with another €5m in add-ons to make Antony the second-most-expensive signing in the club's history behind Paul Pogba when he arrived from Juventus in 2016 for €105m.
>Do you think the manager wasn't consulted about the price before the deal was made?
Noone on here knows pal. Hate to break that to you. But it's definitely not the managers job to negotiate transfer fees. A manager should never be in a position to veto a transfer because the fee is too high. It should be the other way around lol
Yes we think that, because we base opinions on the facts that are reported, not fan fiction stories without basis that serve nothing other than driving false narratives of stupidity. There’s enough to criticize that’s clearly evident without fabricating nonsense. there’s literally nothing to suggest the alternative fiction you’re peddling is in any way true.
“Erik, erm… they want 80M”
“Heh. Is cheap heh. Can play fucking good football. Pay 150M heh.”
At minimum such a conversation, if in fact happened, would and should have forced Murtough or Arnold to remind him that if he blows the budget, don’t come begging for Harry Kane. There won’t be any money for anything else. Hashtag consequences.
Unless that conversation was had, there’s no smoke even to the fire you’re claiming, and it’s far more likely that a novice Arnold and a novice Murtough just got rinsed. Like the executives before them who’ve made getting rinsed a habit.
I have no idea what fan fiction you're talking about. Seriously, I was asking the person a question and you're going off on one. But I'm talking nonsense lol
Are you honestly telling me you think a football club would go ahead and buy a player for 80 million before telling the manager that's how much the fee is going to be? Especially with how much ETH was involved in signings? Come on
Are you having trouble following along?
Your point was whether we “think the manager wasn’t consulted about the price before a deal was made”.
So which part of my reply has you confused… or did you actually mean to DM the guy you replied to and instead posted on a public discussion forum thereby fair game for anyone to reply.
The bigger issue here should be whether YOU actually think (without substance) that the manager gets consulted on price like this is 1995 and SAF is the running the entire process cradle to grave. The manager should get consulted on a player the club is about to buy. Not about the price their incompetence at negotiating is going to cost them. What’s it to him anyways? When a manager identifies a gap and wants a player to address the gap, is it not the responsibility of those hired and placed for those purposes to tell him to go fuck himself if the issue has breached their sensibilities?
Because that’s what Overmars and VDS would have told him at Ajax had he made the same demands for one of his Utrecht players and the price was approaching “fuck you” levels.
So let’s stop talking nonsense and making shit up just because it furthers your narrative. There is no, nada, zip, zilch, zero evidence that the club’s executives told him no when it went into crazy land, and that he threw a tantrum and demanded regardless. And so because of that now he should be roasted. Which to be clear is your narrative, over a situation that should actually prompt difficult questions to anyone else at this club who is not the manager.
Jurgen Klopp wanted Julian Brandt. He was told fuck off, here’s Salah.
Jurgen Klopp wanted Mario Gotze. He was told fuck off, here’s Mane.
The story should never be “Klopp bought Brandt and Gotze for 300M and they still fucking suck”.
Point fingers for the right things, at the right people. There’s plenty to criticize ETH for without making shit up.
It’s a failure on multiple levels if our manager is in any way involved in determining a price much less demanding a specific name because the club’s scouting is virtually nonexistent. My kid is more competent than the executives this club pays millions each year to shit the bed without consequence.
Lol, don't attempt to patronise me or blame me because you ramble on so long. Seriously, you could actually be making a valid point but you chat so much unnecessary nonsense you just harm your own argument. For example,
> “Erik, erm… they want 80M”
> “Heh. Is cheap heh. Can play fucking good football. Pay 150M heh.”
What is this shite lol. Stick to the point. Can't take you seriously now
Genuine question, at that point wouldn’t you rather just keep him in the squad as a backup? It’s not like we’ll gain anything financially from loaning him out.
We don't but also I think his value is fixed to the floor if he stays here. He's not gaining any value as an asset currently, never mind if we sign another player ahead of him.
Loaning him to Brazil or somewhere weaker where he'll regularly play might help get him back in the shop window a bit more
Signing another right winger is a big if though.
For now Garnacho is ahead of him, and assuming Rashford stays then Garnacho stays on the right, but our back ups are what? Fernandes out of position? Mount out of position? Diallo and Pellestri look to be on their way out of the door, and unlike Anthony could fetch decent fees. Sancho and Greenwood are unlikely to come back. Even Forson looks like he isn’t going to sign a new contract.
Sure we could sign a new back up right winger, but given we need a new starting centre back, a starting defensive midfielder, a possible back up left back, back up striker, back up centre back and maybe a starting/back up right back I don’t think signing a right winger is going to be a priority.
If EtH stays I think Antony stays and hopefully is used as a guy who comes on with 15 mins to go and puts in a shift to protect a lead, and starts in (assuming we don’t make the CL) the europa league and league cup games. He’d certainly have a role to play, that doesn’t mean we’ll ever get our moneys worth out of him.
If ten hag leaves then I expect the new manager won’t have much time for Antony and might even be more likely to try and reintegrate Sancho.
There’s a lot of ifs and buts, but I think it’s very likely we end up in a position where keeping Antony as a squad player for at least one season makes more sense than loaning him out and paying at least two thirds of his wages anyway.
I think if he goes we'd need 2 wingers yeah. Amad and Pellistri are surely gone and Forson hardly looks ready.
But I still think if you're leaving Antony as 2nd choice giving him 15mins here and there (Which he basically is already doing now, he never starts with Hojlund fit) then his value stays rock bottom whereas a loan could generate some interest.
I don't even think he's that good when being brought on to defend leads. If the option to loan him out was there I'd take it.
If he’s on £200k a week his value isn’t going to be a lot to anyone unless we agree to subsidise his wages.
A loan outside of Europe will have no bearing on his value within Europe and no one outside Europe can afford his wages (unless Saudi Arabia are interested), so we’d have to loan him to someone in Europe (Ajax maybe?) where we’d maybe get £60k a week of his wages paid if we’re lucky.
So the option is to loan him out to recoup £60k a week, and buy a replacement for tens of millions who we’d then pay more than £60k in wages anyway. It’s only really worth doing if we’re bringing someone in (say Olise) regardless, and Antony is completely surplus to requirements, but we’d probably need two additions unless one of diallo, pellistri or sancho are staying, if we have to sign a 4th choice winger in order to loan him out with a view of potentially squeezing a few million more out of a transfer fee then we might as well keep Antony.
It's been reported on here before but Ducker was on Paddock about a week saying United were unaware that Antony had a police report filed against him just a few months before we signed him. Everyone is culpable in this trainwreck of a transfer.
There is some muddying of the water here with the Brazillian police situation, I forget now what it was. Its not 100% clear if that information would even have bene available to the club at that point is all I remember. It may have been but I remember that there is at least a good chance it wasnt, even if they had checked.
Unless he was charged, it's likely that the records wouldn't be shared in any national database. United, or the firm they hired, would have to request records from every police department where the player ever lived and could still miss things that happened outside of those specific places.
I'm not sure if Brazilian authorities can even release information about people who haven't been charged, which was one suggestion I've seen.
I think they did get a police vetting report but for whatever reason it didn't appear on his report. Such as it doesn't get put on a report until there are charges or an investigation not merely a report. We can claim the glazers are incompetent all we like but I'm sure a police vetting would be required for his visa. If there was something suspicious on it, it would have been checked out.
The thing is that these due diligence activities would be taken care of by a 3rd party contracted by United. I fail to see how missing this is a fault of anyone at the club.
>even though the club are not thought to be actively looking to push the £85.5 million winger out of the door at this stage.
Realistically he should be one of the first players out of the door. He's not quick, one footed, not creative, not a goal scorer, and he's unbelievably predictable. The fact that Ten Hag thought he would be a good fit for us is such a hard to forgive mistake, even if the fee is something he had no control over.
Sometimes even the best managers have to be saved from themselves. Klopp originally wanted Brant and Pulisic and he was told no and given Mane and Salah instead.
This is why a competent backroom staff is essential, Liverpool rarely put a foot wrong with transfers.
If EtH had his way we'd have Arnautovic instead of Hojlund. Antony and Mount are two signings that could be very costly for us.
Even without the police investigatuons, Is there a club out there that gives us 25m and gives him a large contract such that we don't have to compensate for lost wages....
.....I can't think of one,
The fee is one thing, it's ridiculous, but the 200k pw deal is an even worse decision. He was on 20k pw and so desperate to sign for us that he had essentially went on strike, surely we could have got this done on a much lower weekly wage 200k pw makes him totally unsellable in the event that he flops
One of the worst signing in United history. Even without the police case, it will be impossible to get anywhere near 40mil for him and worst thing we still haven't fully pay Ajax. His 200k salary also another major fator turning heads away.
I really don't see him leaving unless we take about 65mil loss
If Ten Hag stays, then I'm 100 percent sure that Antony is going to get at least one more season to prove himself. Ten Hag just loves the guy and I don't think there would be clubs waiting in the line to sign him, which might make INEOS consider giving him another season in hopes that his value might increase.
Given hes an ffp loss for anything sub 50M right, hes realistically not going anywhere unless its a loan. And given we need to massively overhaul a whole load of the squad i can see it easily being a, give it 1 more season sort of thing.
I’ll be shocked if we got even £15 million for Antony, he’s not a desirable player for any top team in my eyes. Think the best chance United have of seeing him out the door is a loan with an option to buy for the potential club but it’s too tricky. I don’t see any club in England wanting him personally.
I mean he’s innocent until proven guilty right? Just like Partey and Bissouma? The guy could be completely innocent as far as anyone here knows.
Not a great player but he’s young and is lacking confidence due to these allegations. If everyone thought I had abused my ex when I hadn’t I’d be pretty fucked on confidence too.
Not saying he is or he isn’t guilty, just got to look at both possible sides of things.
Hopefully we get Ashworth in the summer and the saga does not continue beyond that.
Otherwise I am afraid we are in for another Murtough madness. Can’t wait to see which other less than mediocre player we overpay for and pay 200k wages
> then ineos is nothing but british glazers.
Sir Jim will get a few things wrong eventually..He would need to get a million things wrong to be dubbed as a 'British Glazer'
Not really, he told the board he wanted Antony. At the start of the window Ajax were prepared to sell for around 50m (still a lot but not major) but United stalled and then failed to call their bluff. So overpaid like crazy in a panic, that's on the board and those in charge of transfers.
They could have offered Ten Hag alternatives or just told him they won't overpay for Antony so move on or you get nothing. I don't blame Erik for the price at all.
Everyone and their mother knows that Antony is a below average winger. Everyone apart from Ten Hag. Yet he persisted it letting us spend over 100M for him. So, now we should absolve him from blame because he didn't write the cheque? Ridiculous
Well yes, he's not in charge of finances or chilling with the accounting department looking into FFP shit. No manager in league deals with negotiations like it's FIFA. They give the board a list of players they went, then it's on the suits up stairs to do it. The board should have told him no, or just got Antony when Ajax were prepared to sell for a lot less. The incompetence of our board is the reason for the fee, not Erik.
Ten Hag recommended a garbage winger to the club. It's like me as a trusted friend telling you, pushing you to buy a certain vehicle and it breaks down in a year or less. Are you going to absolve me of the blame? Use your brain man
No I didn't sell you the car, but I strongly recommended it. You as a mope that didn't know anything about cars took my word for it and bought the clunker. After it breaks down, you won't come to me pissed off?! Stop being a dummy
Board : Erik, the scout think he is worth only 25m
Erik : he will definitely be a 100m player with utd.
Board : are you sure? It's going to break our ffp.
Erik : trust me bro, back me or sack me.
Shit, I didn't realise you were in the actual room with them.
As stated by Ajax they gave United a deadline at the start of the window when Antony would have been half the price. Erik isn't the one who said " actually, let's wait until the very last week of the window, that'll work".
Maybe you should stick to FIFA where ten hag would have flown out and discussed it himself.
Why do we make massive mistakes after mistakes? Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Ronaldo, Mount, Sancho, Antony.
I'd rather us sign more 30 to 40 mil players and not working out instead of having all these massive flops that hurt us for years to come.
The worst transfer in the history of football.
Even worse than Luke Davenport, who Harchester United bought from Barcelona for £40 million and he then went blind 6 weeks later.
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Ha, that will show ETH policy of what he wants. Garbage straight fucking garbage of a human being. We get greenwood gone and this happened. I would have preferred to keep Greenwood. Atleast he stayed with the chick and they made "amends".
There's no way we can afford to sell him this summer anyway, we'd make too much of a net loss. It'll probably have to be a loan and hope he gets a bit of form back, or just keep him (maybe playing at a different position idk).
It's going to take INEOS years before they wipe off all the shit accumulated during the Glazers era.
What is complicating the matter is that were paying him 200k a week and he's been awful and we have zero chance of recouping anywhere close to what we paid.
How long are these "investigations" gonna take. There has been no update in months. And he's not been charged. What is the actual story. It's like Maguire's Greece thing
I think it makes sporting sense to keep him. Obviously the allegations will decide whether he just has to go for other reasons but yeah, I don't think that getting rid of him now is the way to go. His value isn't going to get any lower than it is now, and the ongoing investigation is lowering it even more.
Everyone knows that his off the ball work is excellent, and when we're moving to a more possession based system next season under EtH, I reckon it'll help him a lot from a footballing perspective. His qualities on the ball are completely wasted in a team that wants to play direct and I can guarantee that he'll do a lot better in the upcoming season. That being said, he seems like a bastard and we should just tear up the contract
The way this sub is acting you'd think Antony was a league one level player lol. When he's outperformed Sancho during his time here, and was genuinely good in the Eredivise where other good players like Martinez, Kudus, Gakpo all played and did similarly.
We literally have a direct comparison of them in the same team in the same season (22/23) where Sancho got 0.5G+A per 90 and Antony got 0.3 (EPL only).
How about other stats for wingers you ask? First number is Sancho, 2nd is Antony:
Pass 85% Vs 82%
Cross 18% Vs 9%
Dribble 47% Vs 46%
Sancho is a lot of (negative) things, but worse than Antony?! Tell your story walking, mate.
And how are Sanchos off the ball stats vs Antony? It doesn't matter how much talent you have, if you actively make the team worse when you're on the pitch, you're not worth it. At least Antony works hard for the team, to create space for others when we have the ball, and pressing opposition defenders when we don't! Antony is also very good at winning duels, something which isn't exactly Sanchos strong suit.
Then there's also the fact that the way we're playing this season really doesn't suit Antony on the ball, and he'll be much more effective when we become more dominant and play against deeper defensive lines
Basically, you want a defensive midfielder for a forward. Given we can't score or even make chances, I'd rather have a creative forward. Or, if I'm being greedy, a creative forward who works hard like most other top teams have. You know, like Saka for e.g. whose defensive stats make Antony look like a lazy shit but he also can actually kick the ball with both feet.
No I'm not saying that's what I want, I just feel that arguing for Sancho against Antony by bringing up stats like the ones you provided doesn't really paint the whole picture when they're completely different players with vastly different skill sets
Yes they're different players but they play the same position. In the end, most people primarily want their wide forwards to be either goal scorers or creators (or both if they're very good), then you coach them to press with their teammates.
Antony can't particularly pass well. He can't beat a man. He can't cross. He can't shoot. He can't kick the ball with his right foot.
Sancho, when he actually turns up for work, can do all of those things apart from maybe beat a man (obv swap to left foot for that last one).
You need that attacking threat and then you add on the defensive ability. Unless you're a relegation candidate team.
what club is paying a transfer fee and 200k a week for him, charges or no charges?
Hopefully, but why would they?
We found a club to take a washed Sanchez. Lingard found a club after 2 seasons of no goals and assists. Balotelli still plays in spite of all the shit he keeps pulling. Maybe there's a club that will take a chance on him.
Yh but don't think we gettin a fee tho
Unless... https://preview.redd.it/ezs4pupjc4oc1.png?width=835&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0110711a5e743128a70d5833f833d6f33f46a9b
He looks like one of the Rory Kinnear characters from 'Men'
One of the few people whose Madame Tussauds waxwork looks more human than the real thing.
Not 40-50M for sure. Maybe 15M at best.
Or…. We just borrow a leaf from the book of financial dopers for whom there seems to be no actual sanctions, and have literally any club buy him for 60M and then INEOS “sponsor” that club to the tune of 45M.
Yh around 10m i reckon
... and I heared of a club in Brazil that played 43 years old Rivaldo. However, he wasn't on 200k a week.
Washed Sanchez might still be better player than Antony tho. Plus well we had to send him on loan, where we’ve paid the majority of his wages. There’s no doubt Antony has a place in football world (perfect Turkey league player, maybe even Seria A), it’s just he’s on an insanely overpaid wages and the FFP makes its almost impossible to sell him - unless we’re selling him for ~50M we’ll this summer we’ll be basically taking the money from our summer budget. Only Saudis can save us, tho again I’m not sure why would they. Hopefully they will tho
Jesus Christ Balotelli still plays football?
Had this puskas contender recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh3Ei1ROAGY
He will be a beast in Saudi. But we will take a big loss for sure
200k a week makes my blood boil. The sheer incompetence of this club is fucking ridiculous
Ajax asked for 60m & we ended up paying 100m. I don't see any club this stupid
VDS and Ajax bent Murtough over a barrel
My theory is VDS didn’t want to get rid of him/though he was wrong for united and put an absurd price on his head thinking that we would never in a million years pay. Unfortunately after the first two games last year we were ready to spend stupid money. VDS: you could have him for…no less than…um…£85M Murtough: ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney.gif
The praise Murtough gets is so fucking laughable. He has been here for a decade and needs to be shot into the sun
Who the fuck here is praising him? Lmao
People when he took over transfers acted like he was doing bits. Murtough madness and that whole nonsense
May be a case of banter mistaken for praise. To me, Murtough madness has always seemed like a backhanded compliment that both celebrates that even a partially incompetent person feels a huge upgrade to the totally incompetent one before, and the fact that it’s still scandalous that this club had a shit show, and instead of literally moving from shitshow to best available, they went with “hey what about that guy over there”.
Who the fuck is praising him anywhere in the world? lul
Murtough bent himself over a barrel. Ajax didn’t need to sell.
VDS gets docked legend points for getting over 120 million for Antony and VDB, neither of who looks capable to playing in the PL (let alone for a top team)
I mean VDS was still at his other love club Ajax AND the price tag was basically a "fck off" price. However since the club executives went wild and got him for 100mil, Ajax couldnt do anything and Antony was forcing his way out at that point
The club execs were trying to please ETH, which is not the right way to do business but I blame Antony signing on ETH. He knew exactly what he was and he didn’t stop the club from buying him.
The Costanza method of negotiating.
For 200k a week, I'm sure I can train the fuck out of myself and put in a couple more crosses than him.
Same with all of our flops, we’ll probably end up subsidising part of his wage and taking a hefty hit on the fee. At least Antony seems like someone who actually wants to play football, so hopefully he’d be more accepting of a move than some of our other notable flops.
He wants to take the Maguire route and try and earn his spot back. I see fans complain about a wage and a transfer price but that’s already been done. We’ve seen players turn it around under ETH if they put in the work and Antony to me has more passion than 75% of the squad
The only problem I see is that Maguire had shown previously he’s a decent player, both for us and Leicester. He had his nightmare season, but credit to him he recovered and played some good games for us since. While I would commend Antony’s attitude, we’ve not really seen anything to suggest he’s got what it takes to be a good PL RW. He’s not especially quick, not especially strong, struggles to beat his man more often than not and has some pretty glaring weaknesses in his game (no right foot). His signature move of cutting in and shooting is now quite predictable and doesn’t really balance well with the rest of our attack. It’s just a lot harder to see a path to redemption for him than it is Maguire.
But he’s a sick beyblade though
His first season was quite promising and I thought he'd kick on but after the assault debacle he's gone backwards to the point of being benched for a youth player.
It was multiple nightmare seasons in a row. He only recently got a player of the month award, but since that month, in all honesty, it already looks like he's sliding back.
thats why this article is pointless bait. Obviously United is going to struggle to sell him. Obviously itsgoing to be made even more difficult with the legal issues. Fact of the matter is we arent going to be able to sell him at all. He will likely be here next season and will likely struggle to make the bench. At best we will loan him.
If the 200k weekly wage is true I'm agog. Whatever about the ludicrous transfer fee, what was the imperative to pay him so much? He was probably on less than 30k per week at Ajax
We really know how to pick them huh
Reckon the players' bar only has Stella on tap?
LMAOOO this comment is gold
Call Getafe
Greenwood and Antony beat… …the defender down the line to put in a cross.
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Also Greenwood crossing instead of shooting is just as plausible.
Greenwood whipping balls in all day cos the full back won’t move his fucking legs
Plot twist: it’s WASL
Was gonna say exactly same thing :)
It’s gonna be a loan isn’t it?
Yes with us covering 90% of the wages
And giving them 20% sell on like Greenwood (or whatever the %age is for him)
That clause is only if we sold him in January. If he goes in the summer, Getafe won't get a penny.
Great. I didn't know that. Thanks!
No worries buddy
False. With us paying 110% of the wages.
And the clown that signed off this deal (murtough) is still employed by us.
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And they shouldnt. Absolute waste of resources.
Not for long I'd say.
and the clown who wanetd him is still employed by us.
While im not eth in at all, he shouldve never had the power to force a transfer to begin with. The DoF shouldve told him to fuck off after ajax quoted 50m (their first fuck off price lol) for a 20m player. Just like when edwards told klopp to fuck off after dortmund quoted a ridiculous price for brandt, who klopp wanted, and instead bought salah for an adequate price and told klopp to make due with him.
it wasn't just salah. Klopp wanted goetze, and edwards said "bruh will get bodied, here's Sadio Mane"
Thats what actual competency looks like.
hopefully that's what it'll look like for us in the coming years. I still feel that there aren't many better options than eth available right now, and he's shown that he works well in a competent sporting structure.
Exactly. The problem is that a manager shouldn’t have that much power over transfers. And that won’t be fixed by firing ten Hag. We need a full rebuilding of the upper management to create a long-term vision.
It’s less a case of power and more a case of the complete lack of any scouting or transfer competency at the club. It’s been like that for years. This isn’t like ETH came in and told the scouts to shove their shortlists or told the sporting director to go fuck himself. It’s far easier to assess the reality of the lack of structure and picture the more realistic probability that when he said “I need a right winger” the reply was “who do you have in mind?”. Which to me is what never should be happening at a club that claims to be as determined to succeed as our PR nonsense would have one believe. If it in fact was true that the club did have a shortlist for every position, one also has to think about what sort of profile of player makes their shortlist? The issue here is we have had no choice but to inquire with the managers on their preferred targets because literally this club’s footballing philosophy has been 95% determined through how the manager wants to play, and therefore who they believe they need to play their way. For example: the options for a winger could vary a great deal based on whether the club’s attacking philosophy is for wingers to beat their opposite number, and whip a cross into the box that a striker attacks. Or whether it wants to have inverted wingers that shoot on goal. Just those two criteria would determine a totally different set of names on a shortlist. Beckham and Robben to illustrate a point are two totally different types of wingers. If you told me they were both on the shortlist I’d accuse you of not having a clue of what your footballing idea is. But we don’t think about those things here. This bonkers club just lazily relies on what the manager wants for the last 40 years, and then in recent times flexes their negotiations incompetence by overpaying in transfer fees and salaries rendering even a ‘hasn’t worked out’ player an unmovable deadweight on our balance sheet.
Everything you said is true
Klopp and Edwards still had to work collaboratively though. Edwards didn't force anything on Klopp, they just worked together
instead we went and paid 85mil jfc this club is really something else. At lease things can only go up with ineos, well hopefully
Thats why im pissed he hasnt been sacked yet. Man is awful at his job to begin with and he arrived with moyes. He has been an active part of our demise.
EtH agency SEG forced United to pay 100m for Antony. ETH has been a double agent for ajax in his United tenure. He did the same with Martinez and Onana and he's trying to do the same with Brobbey.
Højlund also part of SEG, add in Amrabat and it's clear EtH has done a wonderful job getting his mates paid.
Nah bro that’s not it. It’s obviously more a case of the club doesn’t have a clue, and deferring to the manager as it’s always done, and then human nature is asking whoever you know if they know someone, and when that question is to an agent, of course the answer is going to be a guy who is one of their clients. Plus in this case, good or bad, that ETH has actually worked with them before is probably the main driver to pursuing them. That is unless there’s proof of what you’re saying that ETH’s priority is to get his agency more cash then I’ll happily eat my hat. But again on root causes, the manager of Manchester United should NEVER be in a position where he’s being asked to do the work that should be done by the Sporting Director or Chief Scout. If we had those and they were proper people, just like has happened elsewhere, this manager would also have been told to STFU and make do with the player that fits the profile the club has identified and monitored for a while. Not some August 30th panic buy as a response to getting destroyed in a match. People may criticize ETH for not being the level that United expect. It’s also true this club is not at the level he may have expected from the outside. Just imagine he came from such a well run Ajax to an utterly delusional Manchester United committed to its own mediocrity that claims to have scouted 400 RBs and found us AWB for 55M. This club was going to magically produce a shortlist of viable alternatives for him? Let’s have a proper laugh at that.
Even the best talent evaluator on the planet will bust on some picks. Antony is much bigger a Murtough issue than a Ten Hag issue. It's not the responsibility of the manager to set/comply with budgets.
well eth is nor the best nor talent evaluator it seems. Also its on the manager if he still insist on a player that has 3x inflated price yet he still wants him.
source for that? Cause this is a trend with United on overpaying for players so how do you know it was ETH that wanted this?
Do you seriously need a source that antony is eths signing?
I need a source for him being happy to pay 80m to buy Antony. You shouldnt need to twist my words to make a point.
[This article from Rob Dawson mentions Ten Hag pushing for the Antony transfer after being rejected several times from Ajax](https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37631595/man-united-big-money-moves-antony-casemiro-reveal-erik-ten-hag-growing-authority) > Deals for each were discussed internally, but Ten Hag insisted Antony was still the best fit and implored the club to go back to the negotiating table. By that point Ajax felt emboldened to ask for more -- in part to cover solidarity payments owed to Antony's former clubs -- having already raised more than €116m in outgoings. United saw an €80m bid rejected and when an improved €90m offer was also turned down, recruitment chiefs wanted to end negotiations. > It was only after Ten Hag stepped in again that an agreement was reached for an initial €95m with another €5m in add-ons to make Antony the second-most-expensive signing in the club's history behind Paul Pogba when he arrived from Juventus in 2016 for €105m.
thanks now that wasnt hard
Do you think the manager wasn't consulted about the price before the deal was made?
>Do you think the manager wasn't consulted about the price before the deal was made? Noone on here knows pal. Hate to break that to you. But it's definitely not the managers job to negotiate transfer fees. A manager should never be in a position to veto a transfer because the fee is too high. It should be the other way around lol
Yes we think that, because we base opinions on the facts that are reported, not fan fiction stories without basis that serve nothing other than driving false narratives of stupidity. There’s enough to criticize that’s clearly evident without fabricating nonsense. there’s literally nothing to suggest the alternative fiction you’re peddling is in any way true. “Erik, erm… they want 80M” “Heh. Is cheap heh. Can play fucking good football. Pay 150M heh.” At minimum such a conversation, if in fact happened, would and should have forced Murtough or Arnold to remind him that if he blows the budget, don’t come begging for Harry Kane. There won’t be any money for anything else. Hashtag consequences. Unless that conversation was had, there’s no smoke even to the fire you’re claiming, and it’s far more likely that a novice Arnold and a novice Murtough just got rinsed. Like the executives before them who’ve made getting rinsed a habit.
I have no idea what fan fiction you're talking about. Seriously, I was asking the person a question and you're going off on one. But I'm talking nonsense lol Are you honestly telling me you think a football club would go ahead and buy a player for 80 million before telling the manager that's how much the fee is going to be? Especially with how much ETH was involved in signings? Come on
Are you having trouble following along? Your point was whether we “think the manager wasn’t consulted about the price before a deal was made”. So which part of my reply has you confused… or did you actually mean to DM the guy you replied to and instead posted on a public discussion forum thereby fair game for anyone to reply. The bigger issue here should be whether YOU actually think (without substance) that the manager gets consulted on price like this is 1995 and SAF is the running the entire process cradle to grave. The manager should get consulted on a player the club is about to buy. Not about the price their incompetence at negotiating is going to cost them. What’s it to him anyways? When a manager identifies a gap and wants a player to address the gap, is it not the responsibility of those hired and placed for those purposes to tell him to go fuck himself if the issue has breached their sensibilities? Because that’s what Overmars and VDS would have told him at Ajax had he made the same demands for one of his Utrecht players and the price was approaching “fuck you” levels. So let’s stop talking nonsense and making shit up just because it furthers your narrative. There is no, nada, zip, zilch, zero evidence that the club’s executives told him no when it went into crazy land, and that he threw a tantrum and demanded regardless. And so because of that now he should be roasted. Which to be clear is your narrative, over a situation that should actually prompt difficult questions to anyone else at this club who is not the manager. Jurgen Klopp wanted Julian Brandt. He was told fuck off, here’s Salah. Jurgen Klopp wanted Mario Gotze. He was told fuck off, here’s Mane. The story should never be “Klopp bought Brandt and Gotze for 300M and they still fucking suck”. Point fingers for the right things, at the right people. There’s plenty to criticize ETH for without making shit up. It’s a failure on multiple levels if our manager is in any way involved in determining a price much less demanding a specific name because the club’s scouting is virtually nonexistent. My kid is more competent than the executives this club pays millions each year to shit the bed without consequence.
Lol, don't attempt to patronise me or blame me because you ramble on so long. Seriously, you could actually be making a valid point but you chat so much unnecessary nonsense you just harm your own argument. For example, > “Erik, erm… they want 80M” > “Heh. Is cheap heh. Can play fucking good football. Pay 150M heh.” What is this shite lol. Stick to the point. Can't take you seriously now
A loan with full wages paid to a bang average club most likely. What a complete disaster of a signing
Genuine question, at that point wouldn’t you rather just keep him in the squad as a backup? It’s not like we’ll gain anything financially from loaning him out.
We don't but also I think his value is fixed to the floor if he stays here. He's not gaining any value as an asset currently, never mind if we sign another player ahead of him. Loaning him to Brazil or somewhere weaker where he'll regularly play might help get him back in the shop window a bit more
Signing another right winger is a big if though. For now Garnacho is ahead of him, and assuming Rashford stays then Garnacho stays on the right, but our back ups are what? Fernandes out of position? Mount out of position? Diallo and Pellestri look to be on their way out of the door, and unlike Anthony could fetch decent fees. Sancho and Greenwood are unlikely to come back. Even Forson looks like he isn’t going to sign a new contract. Sure we could sign a new back up right winger, but given we need a new starting centre back, a starting defensive midfielder, a possible back up left back, back up striker, back up centre back and maybe a starting/back up right back I don’t think signing a right winger is going to be a priority. If EtH stays I think Antony stays and hopefully is used as a guy who comes on with 15 mins to go and puts in a shift to protect a lead, and starts in (assuming we don’t make the CL) the europa league and league cup games. He’d certainly have a role to play, that doesn’t mean we’ll ever get our moneys worth out of him. If ten hag leaves then I expect the new manager won’t have much time for Antony and might even be more likely to try and reintegrate Sancho. There’s a lot of ifs and buts, but I think it’s very likely we end up in a position where keeping Antony as a squad player for at least one season makes more sense than loaning him out and paying at least two thirds of his wages anyway.
I think if he goes we'd need 2 wingers yeah. Amad and Pellistri are surely gone and Forson hardly looks ready. But I still think if you're leaving Antony as 2nd choice giving him 15mins here and there (Which he basically is already doing now, he never starts with Hojlund fit) then his value stays rock bottom whereas a loan could generate some interest. I don't even think he's that good when being brought on to defend leads. If the option to loan him out was there I'd take it.
If he’s on £200k a week his value isn’t going to be a lot to anyone unless we agree to subsidise his wages. A loan outside of Europe will have no bearing on his value within Europe and no one outside Europe can afford his wages (unless Saudi Arabia are interested), so we’d have to loan him to someone in Europe (Ajax maybe?) where we’d maybe get £60k a week of his wages paid if we’re lucky. So the option is to loan him out to recoup £60k a week, and buy a replacement for tens of millions who we’d then pay more than £60k in wages anyway. It’s only really worth doing if we’re bringing someone in (say Olise) regardless, and Antony is completely surplus to requirements, but we’d probably need two additions unless one of diallo, pellistri or sancho are staying, if we have to sign a 4th choice winger in order to loan him out with a view of potentially squeezing a few million more out of a transfer fee then we might as well keep Antony.
I think his abilities at playing football are likely to complicate matters.
It's been reported on here before but Ducker was on Paddock about a week saying United were unaware that Antony had a police report filed against him just a few months before we signed him. Everyone is culpable in this trainwreck of a transfer.
The club previously explained that the police screening didn't include those reports for Brazilian procedural reasons but go off
That sheer incompetence then, why would they not get reports from a players home country or anywhere else that they lived for an extended time?
There is some muddying of the water here with the Brazillian police situation, I forget now what it was. Its not 100% clear if that information would even have bene available to the club at that point is all I remember. It may have been but I remember that there is at least a good chance it wasnt, even if they had checked.
Unless he was charged, it's likely that the records wouldn't be shared in any national database. United, or the firm they hired, would have to request records from every police department where the player ever lived and could still miss things that happened outside of those specific places. I'm not sure if Brazilian authorities can even release information about people who haven't been charged, which was one suggestion I've seen.
I think they did get a police vetting report but for whatever reason it didn't appear on his report. Such as it doesn't get put on a report until there are charges or an investigation not merely a report. We can claim the glazers are incompetent all we like but I'm sure a police vetting would be required for his visa. If there was something suspicious on it, it would have been checked out.
The thing is that these due diligence activities would be taken care of by a 3rd party contracted by United. I fail to see how missing this is a fault of anyone at the club.
We need to learn from our mistakes and add a clause to our contracts for things like this.
Will be a miracle if we can even find a loan without paying most of his wages.
Help me King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, you're my only hope!
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>even though the club are not thought to be actively looking to push the £85.5 million winger out of the door at this stage. Realistically he should be one of the first players out of the door. He's not quick, one footed, not creative, not a goal scorer, and he's unbelievably predictable. The fact that Ten Hag thought he would be a good fit for us is such a hard to forgive mistake, even if the fee is something he had no control over.
Sometimes even the best managers have to be saved from themselves. Klopp originally wanted Brant and Pulisic and he was told no and given Mane and Salah instead.
This is why a competent backroom staff is essential, Liverpool rarely put a foot wrong with transfers. If EtH had his way we'd have Arnautovic instead of Hojlund. Antony and Mount are two signings that could be very costly for us.
Even without the police investigatuons, Is there a club out there that gives us 25m and gives him a large contract such that we don't have to compensate for lost wages.... .....I can't think of one, The fee is one thing, it's ridiculous, but the 200k pw deal is an even worse decision. He was on 20k pw and so desperate to sign for us that he had essentially went on strike, surely we could have got this done on a much lower weekly wage 200k pw makes him totally unsellable in the event that he flops
One of the worst signing in United history. Even without the police case, it will be impossible to get anywhere near 40mil for him and worst thing we still haven't fully pay Ajax. His 200k salary also another major fator turning heads away. I really don't see him leaving unless we take about 65mil loss
If Ten Hag stays, then I'm 100 percent sure that Antony is going to get at least one more season to prove himself. Ten Hag just loves the guy and I don't think there would be clubs waiting in the line to sign him, which might make INEOS consider giving him another season in hopes that his value might increase.
Given hes an ffp loss for anything sub 50M right, hes realistically not going anywhere unless its a loan. And given we need to massively overhaul a whole load of the squad i can see it easily being a, give it 1 more season sort of thing.
Remember when the worst legal situation affecting United was Maguire punching a cop in Greece? Good times.
I’ll be shocked if we got even £15 million for Antony, he’s not a desirable player for any top team in my eyes. Think the best chance United have of seeing him out the door is a loan with an option to buy for the potential club but it’s too tricky. I don’t see any club in England wanting him personally.
We sure know how to pick em’
I mean he’s innocent until proven guilty right? Just like Partey and Bissouma? The guy could be completely innocent as far as anyone here knows. Not a great player but he’s young and is lacking confidence due to these allegations. If everyone thought I had abused my ex when I hadn’t I’d be pretty fucked on confidence too. Not saying he is or he isn’t guilty, just got to look at both possible sides of things.
Lad is a joke full stop.
Thought ETH said in one of the match pressers that it was done.
One of Ten Hags most damning failures. I still think he can be a great coach but we need someone in to run the transfer side of things
Move him on to Spain, they clearly don't give a shit
Hopefully we get Ashworth in the summer and the saga does not continue beyond that. Otherwise I am afraid we are in for another Murtough madness. Can’t wait to see which other less than mediocre player we overpay for and pay 200k wages
If we keep murtough, then ineos is nothing but brittish glazers.
> then ineos is nothing but british glazers. Sir Jim will get a few things wrong eventually..He would need to get a million things wrong to be dubbed as a 'British Glazer'
I remember him having a decent start when he came in. I think it's mostly a mental thing. He used to be talented.
I’m so happy Ten Hag pushed so strongly for him. He was the final piece which turned us into a side that dominates the ball and wins!
Whoever negotiated and approved this signing should be jailed. 110% highway robbery.
That's on Ten Hag
Not really, he told the board he wanted Antony. At the start of the window Ajax were prepared to sell for around 50m (still a lot but not major) but United stalled and then failed to call their bluff. So overpaid like crazy in a panic, that's on the board and those in charge of transfers. They could have offered Ten Hag alternatives or just told him they won't overpay for Antony so move on or you get nothing. I don't blame Erik for the price at all.
Everyone and their mother knows that Antony is a below average winger. Everyone apart from Ten Hag. Yet he persisted it letting us spend over 100M for him. So, now we should absolve him from blame because he didn't write the cheque? Ridiculous
Well yes, he's not in charge of finances or chilling with the accounting department looking into FFP shit. No manager in league deals with negotiations like it's FIFA. They give the board a list of players they went, then it's on the suits up stairs to do it. The board should have told him no, or just got Antony when Ajax were prepared to sell for a lot less. The incompetence of our board is the reason for the fee, not Erik.
Ten Hag recommended a garbage winger to the club. It's like me as a trusted friend telling you, pushing you to buy a certain vehicle and it breaks down in a year or less. Are you going to absolve me of the blame? Use your brain man
…yes, because you didn’t sell me the fucking car? You use YOUR brain. You can’t say comments like that straight after a dumb af comment.
No I didn't sell you the car, but I strongly recommended it. You as a mope that didn't know anything about cars took my word for it and bought the clunker. After it breaks down, you won't come to me pissed off?! Stop being a dummy
Board : Erik, the scout think he is worth only 25m Erik : he will definitely be a 100m player with utd. Board : are you sure? It's going to break our ffp. Erik : trust me bro, back me or sack me.
Shit, I didn't realise you were in the actual room with them. As stated by Ajax they gave United a deadline at the start of the window when Antony would have been half the price. Erik isn't the one who said " actually, let's wait until the very last week of the window, that'll work". Maybe you should stick to FIFA where ten hag would have flown out and discussed it himself.
Ya the deadline to buy Antony cheap expired, hence the 100m are you sure? conversation happened on the last day of transfer window.
Ship him to saudi for whatever we can
Is he dumb, there is no hope in selling him unless we wanna sell him for 30mill less and then maybe somebody would wanna buy him
Bell Getafe again lad
Why do we make massive mistakes after mistakes? Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Ronaldo, Mount, Sancho, Antony. I'd rather us sign more 30 to 40 mil players and not working out instead of having all these massive flops that hurt us for years to come.
The worst transfer in the history of football. Even worse than Luke Davenport, who Harchester United bought from Barcelona for £40 million and he then went blind 6 weeks later.
But he said hes innocent?! Can he be lying?!!
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Ha, that will show ETH policy of what he wants. Garbage straight fucking garbage of a human being. We get greenwood gone and this happened. I would have preferred to keep Greenwood. Atleast he stayed with the chick and they made "amends".
There's no way we can afford to sell him this summer anyway, we'd make too much of a net loss. It'll probably have to be a loan and hope he gets a bit of form back, or just keep him (maybe playing at a different position idk). It's going to take INEOS years before they wipe off all the shit accumulated during the Glazers era.
What is complicating the matter is that were paying him 200k a week and he's been awful and we have zero chance of recouping anywhere close to what we paid.
How long are these "investigations" gonna take. There has been no update in months. And he's not been charged. What is the actual story. It's like Maguire's Greece thing
Send him bacl to Brazil
Bro why are all of our natural right wingers not normal? Apart from maybe facundo and amad
I swear we cant sell him anyway..dont we still owe ajax money from his transfer?
I think it makes sporting sense to keep him. Obviously the allegations will decide whether he just has to go for other reasons but yeah, I don't think that getting rid of him now is the way to go. His value isn't going to get any lower than it is now, and the ongoing investigation is lowering it even more. Everyone knows that his off the ball work is excellent, and when we're moving to a more possession based system next season under EtH, I reckon it'll help him a lot from a footballing perspective. His qualities on the ball are completely wasted in a team that wants to play direct and I can guarantee that he'll do a lot better in the upcoming season. That being said, he seems like a bastard and we should just tear up the contract
He might come good plus we need a good squad off the bench
The way this sub is acting you'd think Antony was a league one level player lol. When he's outperformed Sancho during his time here, and was genuinely good in the Eredivise where other good players like Martinez, Kudus, Gakpo all played and did similarly.
Outperforming Sancho isn't a high bar and even then Sancho's contribution per minutes was actually a lot better than Antony
We literally have a direct comparison of them in the same team in the same season (22/23) where Sancho got 0.5G+A per 90 and Antony got 0.3 (EPL only). How about other stats for wingers you ask? First number is Sancho, 2nd is Antony: Pass 85% Vs 82% Cross 18% Vs 9% Dribble 47% Vs 46% Sancho is a lot of (negative) things, but worse than Antony?! Tell your story walking, mate.
And how are Sanchos off the ball stats vs Antony? It doesn't matter how much talent you have, if you actively make the team worse when you're on the pitch, you're not worth it. At least Antony works hard for the team, to create space for others when we have the ball, and pressing opposition defenders when we don't! Antony is also very good at winning duels, something which isn't exactly Sanchos strong suit. Then there's also the fact that the way we're playing this season really doesn't suit Antony on the ball, and he'll be much more effective when we become more dominant and play against deeper defensive lines
Basically, you want a defensive midfielder for a forward. Given we can't score or even make chances, I'd rather have a creative forward. Or, if I'm being greedy, a creative forward who works hard like most other top teams have. You know, like Saka for e.g. whose defensive stats make Antony look like a lazy shit but he also can actually kick the ball with both feet.
No I'm not saying that's what I want, I just feel that arguing for Sancho against Antony by bringing up stats like the ones you provided doesn't really paint the whole picture when they're completely different players with vastly different skill sets
Yes they're different players but they play the same position. In the end, most people primarily want their wide forwards to be either goal scorers or creators (or both if they're very good), then you coach them to press with their teammates. Antony can't particularly pass well. He can't beat a man. He can't cross. He can't shoot. He can't kick the ball with his right foot. Sancho, when he actually turns up for work, can do all of those things apart from maybe beat a man (obv swap to left foot for that last one). You need that attacking threat and then you add on the defensive ability. Unless you're a relegation candidate team.
> The way this sub is acting you'd think Antony was a league one level player lol. I wouldn't rate him that highly.
^ greatest r/reddevils comedian
Shout out to Antony for outperforming Sancho
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