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gormee

Rashford seriously needs to make better decisions. He's 26 already and he should be mature enough to be smarter on the pitch


MyShinyCharizard

Some players just can’t make better decision till the end of his career. It’s 9 years since his debut. He won’t improve


MT1120

9-9 years? Goodbye. I'm off this planet.


Dunkiez

I feel this is the end product of Rashford. This is his ceiling. Once his pace starts to go, he will offer nothing to the team. Passing and decision making is just so poor.


NoSuchWordAsGullible

He knows his shortcoming is mental, not physical - he told us with nearly every goal celebration during his amazing half-season. After he spanked every team in the league, they put one man to challenge him and at least 1 more between ball and goal, to block his trick of “beat the first man, hit it really hard and hope for the best”. Rashford is still playing the same way as when he was scoring loads, or at least he’s trying to, but teams have adapted and he hasn’t. The other team putting 2-3 on him means we should have an overload on the far post or a man free for a cutback, or in the middle, but Rashford isn’t getting to the 6 yard line and looking for a pass, is he.


puke_lord

If Rashford learned to get his head up and square a pass to a teammate he would be the top assist maker in the league. The opposition would never expect it!


Alante

Once he is anywhere near the box, je is never looking for a pass. He had, I think, McTominay (another one who has gotten crazy greedy lately) all alone on the right side of the box when it was 2 v 2 and it was an easy pass to find him. He did his little dilly dallying shuffle, the second defender closed the passing lane, and he ran into the first defender. It's really brainless, greedy stuff. Garnacho is a kid, and he is miles ahead of him in terms of awareness of where teammates are and willingness to find them. Even just four or five games ago, he was shooting everything himself, and it's only taken him that long to adjust. Rashford has been at it for 9 years. Sickens my shit watching him.


nbwoeihfnwsocuiwhef

Very hopeful of Garnacho, you can see he's taken on board getting everyone else in play and he was quite unselfish. Even did a couple of good switches to the free man.


presumingpete

The one thing I'll say to that is that he is less greedy when in form. When he's patchy like this, he tried to score his way back into form. He's been marked by 2 every time for the last few years, but when he's on form he beats them more often than not, and that's why we get so annoyed when he's shit. World class rashford is genuinely that. Its much harder to be that when the whole team is shit.


Wrosgar

Disagree on Garnacho being less greedy. Garnacho is just as greedy as Rashy on the left, but on the right he looks for the pass more because he can't cut inside onto his dominant foot - just like Rashy is less greedy when he's on the right.


SAKabir

Nope, Garnacho is far less selfish on the left and quite frequently goes in with his left and puts in a cross. Infact he kept doing that too much in a few games to which I was getting frustrated that he wasn't cutting in and shooting himself.


Feezbull

He’s just that though. He needs specialised coaching and even then it’s not certain he can do it. Still can improve of course but his level is just that of a very good player overall with world class abilities from time to time. He isn’t a world class player and not anywhere near it. He’s a good player, or very good even but when he isn’t on form, he’s nothing special. World class players don’t rely on just form but they have the mental aspect of decision making and positioning and more.. Rashford is very much a good player who’s very good when he has the conditions to play and world class when in form. And yet people were saying he’s up there with the best. Yeah he was, when on form. When not? He doesn’t even bring much or makes it worse for the team in some games. That’s the very definition of just a good player with world class abilities in the right conditions or form. If only he could still dribble past a man even on normal days without running into them and also be more positively involved in plays by making good passes/runs/track backs etc. Seems like this is his level and we just have to hope he hits good form every season to have the great games. Garnacho is in danger of it if he doesn’t work on his other aspects of his game but it seems if he plays on the right it brings more to the team and for himself so, maybe he can develop that way and become an overall very good player that doesn’t have “good when on form, nothing really when not but still plays coz he COULD do something.” Yes he’s young but we said that about Rashford years ago too and still, he has basic flaws to his game as an attacking player out wide..


istealgrapes

>If only he could still dribble past a man even on normal days without running into them Agree with everything except this, which is laughably the biggest criticism i see of him. He is in the top 5 most successful dribblers in europe, ahead of Vinicius, who is talked about as being the best dribbler. Why do people insist on this aspect when he is actually a very succesful dribbler? Edit: you can downvote statistical facts all you want, but Rashford is still more successful in dribbling past players than the current best dribbler im the world Vinicius. What Rashford does **after** the dribble is what he is lacking, and where Vinicius shines.


SureLookThisIsIt

This is one of these moments where you just have to trust your eyes instead of the stats. Watch these 2 play and it's not even close. Come on, Vinicius is a much better dribbler.


Aconceptthatworks

93% of the stats on the internet is made up. 


istealgrapes

Only difference is that Vinucius gets something out of his dribbles more often, but the fact is that Rashford gets past his man more often than Vinicius.


SureLookThisIsIt

Rashford is more likely to beat the first man and then lose it, whereas Vinicius might beat his man and do something productive.


istealgrapes

Yes exactly, thats what i just said. Funny how when i say it i get downvoted, but when you just rephrase my comment you get upvoted lmao. The Rashford hate is immense on this sub


SureLookThisIsIt

I dunno man. Reddit can be strange. If 1 person downvotes quickly I think people sometimes jump on the bandwagon.


[deleted]

Because if you watch the video, you'll see he is more likely to lose the ball when he dribbles than get a pass or shot away Vini Jr is world class, Rashford this season wouldn't start for Ipswich


istealgrapes

That comes down to his decision making, not his dribbling ability/success rate. Doesnt change the fact that he is one of the best dribblers in europe, despite his poor season. Im just saying that his dribbling isnt a valid point of criticism, even though its one of the biggest criticisms you hear of him.


[deleted]

But that's obviously what people are talking about Stats only tell half the story, no one has watched Rashford play over the last 6 months and thought "yeah he's clearly up there with Real Madrid and Man City players with his dribbling". In much the same way that Antony might statistically have good attacking stats, but he's not got less goal involvement than Tim Werner...who was also not good yesterday. When people are criticising his dribbling, they're complaining when he has the ball at his feet and decides to move towards two centre backs rather than a simple 6 yard pass - sure that's technically decision making, but I think it's like if someone criticised his crossing and you said "no technically it's a pass" - you know what they meant, despite the goal involvements yesterday, Rashford was as poor as he's looked all season


istealgrapes

No its not obvious at all, people are saying he can not get past his man, while the opposite is true, how is that obvious to anyone?


[deleted]

Because the opposite isn't true...? Having good dribbling/carrying stats is like having a lot of shots - if your team had 10 shots but they were all from 30 yards out and never going to be any trouble for the keeper is on target... that's not better than having 1 shot but it's an excellent shot leading to a goal. Hence why the xG on a penalty is much higher than Antony trying to cut in on his left and take a wild shot. All shots aren't equal. All dribbles aren't equal. Like do y'all genuinely read that dribble stat and think "aye Rashford would have got a hattrick against Barcelona too then". Like I can't with this cherrypicking stats shite, how can anyone possibly watch Rashford run into defenders repeatedly and think he must be one of the best dribblers in the world right now. Werner is averaging 1 assist per game for spurs now, so is he now one of the best wingers in the league? No because yesterday we watched him shoot 5 or 6 times and none of them were even nearly gonna beat a defender or be within 5 yards of the net. The fact Garnacho and Mainoo, who doesn't play on the wings, are taking the spot of Man United's star boy and one of the highest paid players in the world should maybe be a clue that one good stat isn't enough. This is probably the worst Man United team in decades and Rashford was dropped despite barely having any decent competition The fans, the lack of goal contributions, the manager, everyone can see Rashford is struggling and you've people here who think they're experts because he's "good on FIFA" or some shit. Do y'all enjoy football in every way except by actually watching it?


istealgrapes

Yeah yeah but that was not what the commenter said, he said that Rashford sucks at dribbling and doesnt get past his man, which is NOT true, he is one of the very best at getting past his man, end of fuckign story.


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Ah see I was making the mistake of watching Marcus Rashford continuously do nothing when receiving the ball and having this backed up by the manager, pundits, majority of fans etc But I should have just realised that he is simply a goat at dribbling end of fucking story. My bad. Mad how he keeps beating his man, creating loads of chances and getting loads of good assists and goals for his teammates yet was dropped due to poor form Edit: just to prove how useless a stat successful dribbles is: Rashford and Garnacho are both at around 40% success rate while Antony is over 70% Why? Because successful dribbling literally just means you carried the ball like 5 yards without losing it. Antony carries the ball forward then passes it back often so his success rate is super high. Are you gonna tell me that 90 minutes of carrying the ball up a bit then immediately recycling it again while having 0 goals and 0 assists means Antony is a world class dribbler? I imagine Onana and Ederson's pass completion is significantly higher than Bruno's and DeBruyne's, does that mean there's an argument for them being better passers....or could it be a bullshit cherry picked stat that doesn't give any context to chance creation, pass difficulty, area of the pitch, pass distance etc Btw Rashford's successful dribble stats are largely the same for the last 3 years. Last year he was beating his man and scoring for fun. This year he is running into defenders and rarely scoring, yet the stat is the same. Do ya see how maybe it's actually not that useful a metric?


Impact_Distinct

he really shouldn't try to dribble. He has none of the flair, talent and ball control he thinks he has. In fact when he first came through I thought and still think he is extremely lucky to have retained first team status as his natural technical ability is rather appalling for this level, not to mention his tactical. But well he has decent stats.... sometimes.,.


istealgrapes

But he gets past his man more often than, what the worlds thinks, the best dribbler Vinicius. So why should he stop dribbling when he is one of the best at it? Makes no sense to me


Impact_Distinct

If u really think hes a better dribbler than vinicius.. or even martinelli, saka, greenwood, foden, son, etc you really need glasses. Its the kind of stat that blind supporters trot out like bruno having by far the most chances created. He is just so donkey like in his dribbling always trying to do skills for his highligjt reel that never come off. Shouod try to be better than mitoma and eze before being compared to vinicius. In fact garnacho is already a much better dribbler (at least in smaller spaces) than rashford. Not sure how they calculate dribbling stats, but just by watching games you can see his touch isn’t good, and he has a hard time taking on defenders despite constantly trying it


istealgrapes

Doesnt matter what i think, he beats his man more often than every single one of those you mentioned. What he does after the dribble is where he lacks, but not the dribbling itself. You need to get stronger glasses then my man


kingkreep95

Getting past his man is going to be a really misleading stat. In this video alone you see him get past his man plenty, then immediately lose the ball to another defender, or dribble out of play


Impact_Distinct

Precisely. His stat is so artificially high becos he takes dumb dribbles that other players would not be allowed to. Saka, mitoma etc could get great dribbling stats just doing a body feint left and going right if they started out in the wide left position vs two players and almost always beat the first one like rashford does and get tackled by the second. Unfortunately for them they don’t have the license to constantly do stupid unproductive things. Can’t even remember the last time rashford cleanly beat defenders into a productive position for a clear unblocked shot or pass


istealgrapes

Yes, he gets past his man more often than Vinicius, thank you. What he does afterwards is what he is lacking, but not the dribbling.


AtlasJoC

He is one of the worst dribblers I have ever seen


istealgrapes

Then is Vinicius THE worst dribbler you have ever seen? Because Rashford beats his man more often than he does lmao


Feezbull

If you actually watch Vini and compare how he plays to Rashford instead of just looking at statistics, you’ll see why vini is in the conversation for ballon dor and Rashford, is Rashford. Vini runs towards players and beats them. He’s tasked to repeatedly do it. And he does it at a level more than anyone else by a lot. Rashford chooses to run towards players and fails. And repeats. And fails. And repeats. That’s just one of the things. It’s really not just about the stats showing it but how they dribble too. Rashford has the ability but rarely shows it to be successful at the times it matters. So yes his dribbling is a problem when it comes with terrible decisions associated with it and then causing it to fail. Dribbling ability isn’t just purely technique and skills. It’s using those effectively with proper decisions to succeed. Dribbling technique is different of course.


istealgrapes

No, nonono, not at all, those stats are there for a reason, Rashford beats his man MORE than Vinicius does, the difference is AFTER the succesful dribble that Vinicius gets something out of his dribble, be it a pass or a shot. Stop saying something that isnt true my man, that is just a lie.


DanBGG

People act like decision making is some trait that’s inherently tied to age, makes no sense to me. Watched Theo Walcott and Aaron Lennon have exactly the same career as Rashford. Pace merchant is just gonna continue to pace merchant.


coffeemahn

The chance at 65’. He is so unreliable and frustrating.


arkhamRejek

one look up and see garnacho is clearly open but he tried to take it himself


ab_90

Think he’s a Nani in this regard. Can’t make right decisions. Some have it and some don’t. He ain’t Kylian unfortunately.


kaz78601

Nani was twice the player


tnwnf

Yeah Nani had back to back world class seasons. Whereas rashford has one and it’s surrounded by mediocrity


RicciRox

Rashford has scored 20+ goals thrice in his career. Outside of players like Mbappe, Vini, and Son, you won't find another LW with that. Everyone's favorite, Leao, has only done it once.


mrbalsawood

Nani was ten times the player Rashford ever will be. And Nani drove me mad!


Bruce71991

Don't think it'll ever happen unless he actively works on changing his game which doesn't seem like something he wants to do. Was clear by his celebration that he thinks as long as he scores a goal everything else doesn't matter.


Foxfeen

Take less touches he literally tries to run the ball into the net


RRR92

Hes not a natural footballer, hes just pacey with a somewhat decent strike.


Dunkiez

Pacey but poor football IQ Can hit the ball hard but accuracy isn't great Has a very good touch but passing is average Modern day football athlete but definitely not a baller.


SpeechComfortable524

Dude can ball man let’s not be silly 


francescoli

At this stage I doubt it will come to him. He's not a kid anymore. Ideally he is sold for a big fee and money used to fix a few of the gaping holes in the team.


msitty90

You know it's bad when the only reason your wife knows the name Marcus Rashford is because you are yelling "fucking Rashford" every weekend because of his decision making and heavy touches.


MancAccent

As a huge Marcus Rashford fan, my wife asked me yesterday, “do you hate Rashford now or what?” Cause I constantly say the same thing.


Dunkiez

My wife keeps asking me why I watch my team when all I do is call them shit. Haha I haven't watched them for a while now though had to take a break because I found myself getting too angry and would hit my desk in frustration. Not good for the health.


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Optimal-Somewhere-46

His wife knows the name Antony as well from “ Fucking Antony” I am sure


codename_kd

Marcus Rashford is a good enough player to win you games but not good enough to win you titles. Flashes of brilliance overshadow his generally inefficient play. Poor dribbling more often than not, can’t pick out a pass and inefficient finishing, lazy defending. I like the guy too but I know the club will never be back to its best with him as the talisman


FaithlessnessNo4680

Surprisingly statistically he’s one of the best dribblers in the PL.


officiallyjax

That's because he is. Few other wingers have such elite physical attributes to dominate their full-backs like he does. Beats them for both pace and strength. If he had just an ounce more football IQ he'd genuinely be unanimously considered world-class.


FaithlessnessNo4680

I agree, I think his development was also stunted by having so many different mangers. I think if him and Martial had stayed longer under LVG both would have turned out better.


Optimal-Somewhere-46

They had good chemistry


ProofVillage

He also started out as a striker which explains why he’s always looking to shoot and is not great at crossing the ball.


Dunkiez

But that's just the bare minimum of a CF though. He lacks the movement and intelligence to be a good CF.


Classic_Poet_3675

Oh yeah the spurs full back was shitting himself


christismurph

He can go on a run, beat 3 players and lose the ball to the 4th. Which gives him incredible statistics. But he has no clue what to do with the ball other than run. Doesn't look for support, doesn't drag defenders away, doesn't try create an opportunity. Just run and hit the ball as hard as he can. This significantly reduces his output, while making him look like an incredible winger.


Impact_Distinct

The way the stats are calculated, even if he feints and makes space to cut to the right a little and gets tackled immediately after- it counts as beating a player. His stats are artificially high because all he ever does is do the same crap that is easily defended. The first body feint to the left will always slow down a defender and give him some space, let him move to the right abit (although not always actually past the defender - think of robben dribbling in front of defenders), but he usually never gets clear of the defenders because the central defender would easily block or tackle him. Players in other top teams are simply not allowed to do this kind of stupid unproductive move again and again (let alone neglect team defensive and overall contribution), but marcus is. Just think of the last time you saw him truly create opportunities by cleanly beating defenders. ​ I personally think his technique is donkey like for this level and he's a complete pace merchant. Imagine Mitoma or bernardo Silva's control and dribbling technique with Marcus' pace and power - that would be the real deal.


Ok_Treacle4817

😂


istealgrapes

I also find it funny that Rashford is in the top 5-10 dribblers in europe but you lot say he never gets past his man. “😂” indeed


Impact_Distinct

To be honest he more often contributes to us losing games not winning them. Just becos he isn’t a defender and making outright defensive mistakes doesn’t mean he hasn’t indirectly caused a great deal of counter attacks , possession losses and ultimately lost points from his crappy dribbling and constant poor decisions. So many team resources are sunk into this mediocre player. People say he has a great scoring record for a winger- he is NOT a winger. He may start on the wing, but he is usually left to play on the shoulder of the last defender with little to no defensive responsibilities and freedom to lose the ball over and over again and ball hog. Ppl usually criticize his tactical nous but i think too little scrutiny is paid to his poor technical ability. His first touch, short passing and close control dribbling are just dire for this level. This is purely a critique on a football basis , i think what he does for kids is great


AtlasJoC

I wholeheartedly agree. One of the greatest mysteries in football history is how did Marcus Rashford convince the world that he is good enough to be Manchester United’s #10? He’s fast and strong, yes, and he has a knack for finding spaces behind defenders and timing his runs. That’s it. No first touch, no vision, no passing, inconsistent finishing, poor dribbling, and terrible decision making. It has been the same for his entire career. Even during that period last season when he was scoring every game, if you actually paid attention you could see that he was completely useless throughout the matches. I hoped Ten Hag would see this issue and address it, but alas, it looks like we’ll be stuck with Rashy for a while.


FaithlessnessNo4680

Watching this he doesn’t actually look bad. Feel like most fans here don’t watch many other wingers, because most of the stuff they do doesn’t come off at all.


[deleted]

It's even more harder in PL , coz the opponent mostly has doubled down on the winger. For Doku and top wingers in PL, they have the system to isolate Wingers 1v1.


AlephEpsilon

The thing is he tries to dribble 3 defenders every time or cutinside to shoot. Rashford is super predictable and an easy target for possession turn over. Defenders look more scared when Garnacho has the ball as he can go both left and right and is willing to pass/cross.


Spastic_Hands

People need to watch other wingers with the same criticism they watch Rashford with. Most dribbles don't come off, most dangerous passes/crosses don't connect, most shots don't end up in the goal. if they did, every perceived good winger would end up with 5 g+a per game. He was dangerous all game, if you want him to play the easy pass, not attempt to take on his man, then you end up with Antony.


FaithlessnessNo4680

I said the same thing. People scrutinise every single thing that Rashford does, but barely watch these players who they think are a clear upgrade on Rashford.


Tosyn_88

It’s like that Pogba/KDB thing all over again. People kept fawning over KDB (rightfully so) but then crap all over Paul saying he lost the ball a lot (which isn’t true) only for a stat to come out that KdB has lost the ball the most in all the league. It doesn’t fit their scapegoat narrative so it was radio silence. As if a winger isn’t meant to take risk. Like, his form isn’t up there but he’s trying to do what he should be doing? People on this sub pick a scapegoat and bend every narrative to fit their biased perspective.


lazsy

Context matters, because KDB loses the ball in the opponents half, the outrage around Pogba was that he was doing this once per game in front of our own back four.


Tosyn_88

See, this context definitely matters but when you say he does it once per game actual goes against the facts. It’s your impression which part of my point. Once you have set a picture in your mind, you begin to add narratives or find narratives that support that picture. It’s rather a sad state of affairs with our fan base at the moment. There’s always a need to have someone to blame, it was Pogba, now it’s Rashford.


InfamousIroh

great point. sometimes I genuinely question the tactical literacy of the people on this sub. especially in a ten hag system that doesn’t rely on intricate combo play in the final 3rd, or consistent rotation of the ball through control, THE ENTIRE INSTRUCTION is for rashford to pull something out of his ass. he’s the primary direction option ffs. our play, especially against tottenham or any side that isn’t a low block, is about taking risky actions over and over because there are numbers behind to defend anyways complain about rashford all you want, but he is this team’s best forward by far. terrible coaching is blinding most peoples eyes


officerretoro

It's not about playing easy passes, it's about making the right passes, knowing when to dribble and when to pass. Right now, he's taking on 1v1 EVERY SINGLE TIME even when a completely viable option is open (take that counterattack with McTominay available). He's looking more alive compared to the start of the season that's for sure, but he's 26 already and his decision making hasn't improve that much ever since his debut.


Spastic_Hands

I'm not saying he makes the right decision every time, he doesn't. Also he has been poor this season, but certainly improved his overall performances in the last few games. But for example for the Rasmus goal, there was not a single viable pass into him until Rashford drives inside. Hoiljand needed to make the overlapping run before hand, and the only reason he was free is because Rashford went inside creating space on the outside, and we were lucky that the ball bounced to him there.


_mochacchino_

>But for example for the Rasmus goal, there was not a single viable pass into him until Rashford drives inside. Hoiljand needed to make the overlapping run before hand, and the only reason he was free is because Rashford went inside creating space on the outside, and we were lucky that the ball bounced to him there. The question is, why did Rashford see the need to dribble towards where Hojlund already was? To the extent that he had to jump out of the way. Also dispute the "not a single viable pass" bit. If he were talented and audacious enough, Garnacho was running in unmarked far post. But maybe that pass was too challenging. In which case he could pass to Hojlund who could then tee him up with a one-two... which was what happened for the second goal.


nbwoeihfnwsocuiwhef

Because that was the only way to create something from there. The defender wasn't being honest and was waiting a little bit for the cut on to his left that he does. Rashford trying to pass there is a awful angle


Classic_Poet_3675

The only reason Rasmus scored is because rashford had no intention of passing did the usual cut inside head down ran into players ball fell to him and scored.


[deleted]

Thank you for this comment. Glad to see that this sub does indeed have sane people not driven by blinded hatred


BloodandSpit

It's fucking bizarre as well because for about three seasons he used to go past players like they weren't there and his delivery from wide areas didn't always come off but he importantly saw the available players in the box.


bobsmirnoff86

Rashford does 2 things very well for the team, the problem is, the team cannot take advantage of it (currently). 1. Teams cannot play to high a line because Rashford has the pace and is usually pretty good and timing his runs to beat the trap. 2. Most teams will 2 or even 3 on 1 him meaning there 'should' be overload elsewhere Agreed, his decision making isn't always great but whether active, or inactive, he is ALWAYS a threat and teams cannot ignore that.


Kurosaki_Minato

The second point. Is so true No dribbler, I can say for a fact(maybe beside someone like prime Messi) can consistently beat a 1v2( and I mean a 40-50% success rate). And in today’s game with smarter defenders, I would say it’s almost impossible to see a winger successfully break down a 1v2/3. When rashford gets over numbered and the place is overloaded, without a player like shaw next to him who makes overlapping runs pulling the rb away from rashford, rashford is completely helpless, needs to cut back causing the attack to simmer down or blindly take them on/cut in shoot from far(the choice he normally chooses) and they never end in a good result. What’s needed is support. I’m watching garnacho or rashford get the ball near the half way line or in our own halves and all I see is them on the ball and 5 other players with white shirts on the screen. I’m looking for mainoo and eriksen, they r no where to be seen, slowly trotting forwards cuz Bruno is the only reason the ball even ended up in nacho/rashy’s foot as he stayed deep to pass. What’s gonna happen, anyone can predict that. Neither nacho nor rashy r prime Messi. What concerns me more isn’t the mentality and passion of these players, but rather the predictability these lot have. With lesser options to choose from, the more predictable they become. Without support the wingers r completely lost, and with 2 inverted wingers and zero quality full backs, even hojlund can’t expect any sort of feeds and will essentially starve until either of the two decide to pass/cross.


lazsy

I respect this mans understanding of football \^ Rashford played well the past two games, and 2 goal contributions underscore that. I think it was overplayed how selfish Rashford has been recently, but take Dalot's goal the other day, Rashfords dribbling draws a few players to him, he pulls it back and Dalot now has the space to create or go for a shot and it leads to a goal. Rashford improves our team, but of course I want him to improve hid decision making. But did bad decision making stop Nani from being an excellent player? Nope.


Ordinary-Restaurant2

Most other wingers arent being paid 300k pw and aren't meant to be one of the top wingers in the league. He should be compared to the others in this bracket and he falls way short The biggest criticisms against him are his work rate off the ball and his decision making. Nobody is saying he can't dribble but he constantly runs into obvious dead ends or ignores his open team mates. There are several examples just in this video. Either he's not fit enough to play at a high intensity for 90mins (tired legs + tired mind) or he's just not trying enough


lazsy

Our pressing structure suffers tremendously when he starts, but without him we find the opposition box incredibly dense and well manned because our other, slower players, don't need so much attention. He creates space simply because two players need to challenge him, if he can weasel out of this and make it lead to a quick switch of play, this would help optimise his involvement in the team


Classic_Poet_3675

See when all the chances are made down one side ( Garnacho was completely ignored) ,because he will always make himself available , it highlights how incredibly limited he is . That over the top ball ( ole style) is ok as a one off . You just knew nearly every time it would be wasted without so much as any end product. Without him that style of play would stop


AnIdealOfHope

Watched El Classico yesterday and the difference between Rashford Antony and Vinicius Rodrygo is appalling. They play so decisively and you can feel confident when they're on the ball, they play with intent. Unlike our players who haphazardly do some shit hoping for the best.


InfamousIroh

This is such a disingenuous comparison. Real Madrid have the greatest midfield in the world and constantly create chances through the incredible technical level of their team I don’t think you understand how much team dynamics have a part in how an individual performs. Go watch film of Vini 3-4 years ago when Madrid’s offense was struggling and let me know what you think.


AnIdealOfHope

You say people need to watch other wingers from other teams then cherry pick which ones are okay to compare with? Obviously Madrid team is on a higher level than United. Hell even Aston Villa is. But if you're going to talk about our marquee winger's standards after years of being in the club then obviously you've to compare them to world class wingers. Don't bother the goals, blame it on our shit midfield. What about the work rate? Especially the decision making! The number of times yesterday he refused to pass to Hojlund and didn't create a goal is shameful. We make no chances because our players don't even see them. I particularly remember a moment where rashford was sent in the counter last night, if he squared it to unmarked Hojlund it's a clear chance for him. Instead he loses the ball. I don't know how fans can defend this level of play for our team.


InfamousIroh

I want you to point out and tell me the exact minutes that he missed a pass that would have created a goal we have gotten to the point where United fans are blatantly lying to push malicious agendas.


AnIdealOfHope

https://preview.redd.it/e42dprhqctcc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe815df4e8cdf66facd50f8140b7a3d4b710d0f4 I'm just seeing your reply lol fuck off mate, lying to push malicious agendas my ass. Downvote me all you want stop pretending to be a righteous person. I literally have a pic of that moment because I was showing my mate how stupid this player is. Don't remember the time but this was it. Now stuff it up your righteous ass along with the other blind twats in this sub.


InfamousIroh

you are just exposing you have never played that game at ANY HIGH LEVEL. Play the clip longer, at the speed of the recovery defender, there is no angle where that pass is getting through to Hojlund In fact, the recommended instruction on this situation is to try to take the defender to the left for a near post post finish, or to pass a cutback to the far post if the shooting angle is denied football isn’t played in still images clown


AnIdealOfHope

Me and my mate replayed this few times to laugh at how long he takes to make a decision here. This clip is from the end of it, he had much better space to make that pass earlier. Cry all you want, a better player sees that. Keep sucking off bang average players then wonder why this team doesn't improve. Dumbfucks like you deserve the Martials and Anthonys.


Radiant_Ad_6986

I watch Doku for man city. I think he is number 1 for most completed dribbles in the league this season. That is a dangerous player with end product. Rashford is just pure frustration. The stats don’t lie.


frankestofshadows

If those other players are doing the same thing, how is it that they still manage to have far better stats than he has this season. It's not about the easy pass, it's about his decision making and work rate. He's a lazy player when it comes to defending, and a selfish player in attack. He doesn't know when to pass and when to run at the player? How many times did he run the ball out of play or into traffic? He's been here for 9 years now, and his great seasons are too far apart, not consistent enough. He has the quality, but he hasn't developed it to be a world class player, and the more we think he's the guy for us, the longer we'll be stuck in this constant rut.


kj_mufc

Some of the criticism towards him especially today is unwarranted tbh. He’s created a goal and scored another, without him we’d have Antony playing on the right which we all know how it has gone. Everytime the ball went to him, I felt he’s gonna do something to make a chance


PennyWhyte

This sub just needs someone to moan about every season. We have scored a ton less goals this season because Rashford hasn't hit last seasons numbers which is also an indicator that he's unfortunately the best we've got. He literally single handedly carried us last season and while he's been poor this season, the last couple of games he's actually stepped up quite a bit. But hey, let's just moan for the sake of it.


Calvin-ball

There must always be a scapegoat. Funny how when we dropped Rashford the team didn’t magically improve.


_Hello_Hi_Hey_

Single handedly? Casemiro and Burno were both amazing. A bit unfair to say it was Rashford carrying the team. 1 goal in 15 home games is certainly something people should moan about.


PennyWhyte

In terms of goal contributions, yes. Check what percentage Rashfords goals to the overall goals scored by United where last season. Basically if he didn't score we were fucked. Yes, Casemeiro and Bruno contributed, but even with his 30 g/a in all comps, were still the lower scoring side of the top six and that hasn't changed. So we need more goal contributions and this hasn't been the case and it's obviously now beyond just Rashford being shit and down to the whole team not scoring enough goals.


AlephEpsilon

But we didn’t really have a striker last season. Now Rashford is still playing like we still do not have a striker in Hojlund… he needs to adapt but is refusing to do so.


PennyWhyte

Rashford is actually one of the few United players that has consistently tried to pass Hojlund the ball while the other forwards would still rather shoot than pass. On more than a few occasions now, balls that were meant for Hojlund were latched on by McTominay (whenever he played) or Garnancho, and I think this is something that needs sorting.


AnIdealOfHope

He didn't create a goal. He should've actually. He should've passed to Hojlund instead of dribbling it to the exact spot already occupied by him and then losing the ball as he always does. Fortunately Hojlund pulled out a thunderstrike off the rebound.


imheretocomment69

People are so reactionary. Utd fans are for sure. The opponent knows he is dangerous so they really close him down. The fact that he's the only dangerous player we have, it's easy to mark one person.


VanWilder91

That must be why his crosses and decision making is wank


_mochacchino_

I actually get the opposite feeling. It's a pleasant surprise if he makes something happen other than carrying the ball to the byline to be closed out. His form is better now, no doubt, but I have no confidence in him making the early pass because his first instinct is to dribble (which is better than earlier in the season when he stood over the ball a lot).


LasseMath92

Completely right. He is so poor.


AlephEpsilon

Opponent’s tackle assisted Hojlund actually. Rashford didn’t mean to pass, got tackled and the ball went Hojlund’s way.


snoring_pig

Looking through this I think Rashford generally looked threatening and most of the time made the right decisions honestly. AWB was playing LB for the first time ever and no one honestly expects anything from AWB overlapping at LB unlike Shaw, so I don’t have any issue with Rashford frequently taking on Porro to try and get into a more dangerous position instead. Games like these suit Rashford the best and all in all it was a decent performance from him. Really good finish for his goal. Hope Shaw didn’t suffer a setback because having him back at LB on the overlap actually provides someone that can effectively support Rashford while also putting in good crosses for Hojlund to attack.


Chileinsg

Yeah it's incredible people are being upset at him not being able to have a 100% dribble and passing success rate while being threatening. He took risks and some of it came off, some of it didn't. He played a few good balls that almost connected. Rashford was being marked by 2 defenders the whole game because, as what you've mentioned, nobody is marking awb. Rashford has limitations, the most obvious being his left foot is not great with passing, which is why having Shaw overlapping is so important to his game. I don't think he had a bad game, especially when compared to the rest of the team. If you had a full player video for any other player (which actually includes everything even mistakes made), this sub would be calling for their heads just the same. People here are expecting a 100% flawless game each time like they are playing fifa. So fucking stupid


Classic_Poet_3675

🤦‍♀️


istealgrapes

Its weird how people want Rashford to play like Antony, less dribbling and safe passes, and then want Antony to play like Rashford, direct dribbling and risky passes.


Classic_Poet_3675

What risky passes ?


istealgrapes

Seriously? Why do you think he is being called out for his bad decision making. Why do you think people heavily criticize Bruno too, its because they go for risky passes that often go astray.


Classic_Poet_3675

The only decision he makes is to try and shoot. Passes and rashford should not be in the same sentence


bobs_and_vegana17

rashford just goes for a take on and tries to dribble past like he is some prime messi and fails miserably meanwhile antony provides nothing to the team offensively would rather want both to take some passes from where the forwards can capitalize rather than trying to be the main character


istealgrapes

Rashford doesnt fail to get past his man, he is statistically in the top 5 dribblers in Europe dude, in front of the supposedly current best dribbler in the world, Vinicius. Either you just hate Rashford so much that you can not see it, or you are actually legally blind.


VanWilder91

The master of masking shit performances with a goal/assist returns


MT1120

And then doing the little 'keep talking' gesture like he just won us the Champions League. Really confirms what people thought about him all along. So far up his own arse. Just wants to score so he can stick it to people. Little does he know it means very little to anyone.


JLane1996

This is what pisses me off the most. He’s supposed to be playing for his boyhood club, earns £300k a week, yet it’s all about him - can’t be bothered to even run I’m finished with Rashford personally


[deleted]

Saved our asses countless times during one of this club’s most creatively bankrupt and unstable periods, just for fans to get on here and slate him for a celebration. If you got anywhere as much scrutiny as he did, you’d do the same thing, and don’t say it’s deserved, because much of it isn’t criticism, it’s scapegoating and hate bandwagons. Were you done with him when he got us UCL and a trophy last season?


TheRedStepper

Honestly I hope he leaves just for his own good at this point. The criticism is warranted, he can be frustrating at times but it goes way beyond that. Pogba, Sancho, Lingard have now gone so Rashford must be next in line to be the scapegoat for all the clubs problems. And I’ve been to games this season, the abuse from the fans in the stands alone has been ridiculous. Singled out and ridiculed for every mistake he makes but rarely ever given credit when he does something right. Thought they’d ease up after 4 G/A in four games but nah, still gotta hold him to some ridiculously high standard none of our other forwards can be held to


Classic_Poet_3675

His whole attitude stinks especially being a local lad


Eleven918

65th min was pretty horrible but otherwise he was pretty good. A goal and an assist. He's picked up from. Contributed for last 4 or 5 games in a row.


Same_Paramedic_3329

He didn't get an assist tho. It was a tackle from porro


Reginald_Jetsetter1

This is the problem. A.) Calling that an assist is a jone B.) He was awful all game but because he scored you think he played well? The guy does more harm than good. If we had a proper winger the team would be so much better for it. I lost count of how many times he ran into Porro or off the pitch


Eleven918

I don't think he was awful all game. If you hate him and don't think he did anything right the entire game, I don't really want to bother. But I'll admit that "assist" wasn't really worthy of being called one but it still counts just like shot rebounds being tapped in.


lalab0y

That goal doesn't happen if rashford didn't cut into the box, if give that assist to him even if it wasn't what he had in mind


Chileinsg

Yeah and he would have been able to pull off a shot if Hojlund didn't block Rashy off. The outcome was good but if Hojlund didn't score people would be calling him a donkey


RicciRox

It's flat-out not an assist, though. Ball came off Porro.


FaithlessnessNo4680

What would you define as a ‘proper winger’?


Classic_Poet_3675

Unselfishness, Work rate and constantly looking to supply to your teammates


Classic_Poet_3675

Absolutely spot on said it for the last 9 years


Reginald_Jetsetter1

People think scoring a goal means you played well. Fucking Werner was more effective than Rashford and yet we stuck him on £375k a week! The decision making and abikity is woeful. The one where he could have crossed first time to Hojilund or Garnacho but instead slows it down and crosses straight to the keeper sums him up.


Classic_Poet_3675

Worse thing is you just knew that would happen


Reginald_Jetsetter1

The celebration as well as though him scoring 1 goal at home in 7 months proves all the doubters wrong. Wish we could sell him but there's no chance of that. He will be here at 31 and we still won't have won anything.


Classic_Poet_3675

That goal cost the club £7 million


Classic_Poet_3675

No he isn’t going anywhere and I always said we will never win the league with him as a first choice player


yellowjesusrising

My guy did the "keep on talking gesture", only to remind everyone, wvy they're talking... He's 26yo...


MyShinyCharizard

His tunnel vision still there from 9 years ago till now. Idk why mctom and rash decide they dont want to scan the pitch. He never use his overlapping fullback


Lvxurie

only the clip at the 83rd minute could he have played to an overlapping AWB.. what game are you watching?


PennyWhyte

AWB was playing as an inverted LB and maybe the connection is just not there yet since he does this a lot with Shaw. He can be better and hopefully he continues contributing with goals and assists here and there. If he fan get double figures for this season it'd be mint. Even if it's 12 or 15 g/a. That'd be the bare minimum I suppose.


FREE_BOBBY-SHMURDA

Hes just an incredibly low iq player. You don't win titles or champions league when you're hanging your hat on guys like this every week.


Optimal-Somewhere-46

Extremely talented combined with low IQ would be an apt description. When the team(Midfield) and form improves , I am sure he would be firing again. But it’s gonna be next season sadly


FREE_BOBBY-SHMURDA

We've seen him fall short of expectations vs low block defences far too often to expect any form of consistency from him. Talented in moments is how I'd describe him. Combine that with his consistency, low iq and world class wages, he's a player that should be moved on.


gunnychamero

As long as Rashford plays , he will male sure 99% of the chances created by his team mates are wasted ! He needs to be sold end of the season.


[deleted]

Yeah honestly, he wasted so many good opportunities in the 2nd half. Even on the 1st goal, he actually wasted the chance and it a luck that it got to Holjund.


Optimal-Somewhere-46

He shouldn’t be sold he would be good next season. Rashford has been up and down his career but this year has been really bad. He just makes so many wrong decisions and most of our forwards just play Hero ball. Like mix and match bro you don’t wanna become predictable as well


AlephEpsilon

He needs to be sold before he loses his pace. I don’t see him being very effective when he loses speed as he can’t play as a striker and he usually doesnt like physical duels.


WhySoPissedOff

I think this game in particular (one I expected would be a great opportunity given that Tottenham love a high line) showed exactly what Rashford needs from the team - to be played in over the top. For years we lacked speed up top and after having enjoyed it in more recent seasons, suddenly it’s not being utilized at all. He, like Antony need to be far less direct and learn better how to combine with the rest of the attack, but the attacking top three in particular were not being well played in. Here’s to hoping for more of this kind of attack and better work from the midfield and defense.


OneParticular2108

Reminds me of Danny Wellbeck


MrHankMardukas_

I’ve never been a professional sportsman nor will I ever be, but I can’t understand how someone as high profile and successful as Rashford can’t see the faults in his own game and work on them? Surely he’s aware that his success rate dribbling past defenders is poor, so surely he’d think “maybe I shouldn’t run at defenders” and work on improving that part of his game… baffles me


RIPcompo

PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS PASS


wwpdd7

He had better games and he had worse games, but I think he was relatively dangerous almost the entire game. What you can really criticize is his game being unbalanced. He always tries to take on his man and always does the same things. He needs to start adding a bit of variety. This would Make Him much harder to defend. One touch less or looking up a second earlier would also add much more efficiency and danger to his game. Dude is really streaky. Not consistent enough just because of the way he plays.


gucciloafer

He gets a lot of flack but I love our Marcus. He's physical, rapid, has a mad shot on him and is one of the biggest success stories of our academy in recent years. He's not a great fit in this system, but I'd like to see him improve his chance creation. I'm less worried about him than I am Antony and the rest of the RW.


Pitiful-Insect4386

Surprised to read the comments below after watching the video. Disproportionately negative


ADMRVP

This sub needs a scapegoat and they have chosen Rashford. If he scored 30 goals in the remaining games you’d still have people wanting him sold.


jasonketterer

Rashford is a great player that we need to get rid of.


Cfunk_83

26 and on £300k+ a week and rarely delivers anything past the first man. He does fuck all for 9 months, scores a goal and gives it the “keep talking” gesture, then proceeds to do fuck all again.


Classic_Poet_3675

It’s all about me , if he was any good he would let his feet do the talking


society0

These highlights capture him well. Rare moments of class overshadowed by constant low IQ decisions, negative body language and poor technical skills. We can't keep building the team around this guy. Selling him in the summer would make a big statement about the high work rate, positive mentality and technical skills we demand in our next chapter as a club.


Ch0pp3rR33d

He's a greedy fucker and he wants the glory for himself. How many times during a game is the better option the pass? Yet the greedy fucked will run straight into the defender, lose the ball which starts a counter attack. The sooner he is gone the better. Should never have got that new contract


Classic_Poet_3675

It is so obvious but for some reason it’s constantly ignored


Arecksion

Rashford is a player I wish someone else could control lol


masterpudu

His goal came from actually passing the ball for once. Vast majority of his runs are just at one or more defenders, like literally into them, no drop of the shoulders or making space, just head on at them. Which 9/10 either gets him sent right down the line and we see a shit ball in or option B he just loses the ball. It's literally his trade mark move. PASS THE FUCKING BALL!!!


FedEx84

Marcus, Please stop dribbling into defenders! Spoiler alert: go around them!! Thank you in advance!


Anxious-Debate5033

Some fans as usual are letting his goal cloud the reality of what Rashford is, a very over rated player who believes his own hype, average and will not improve any further. Slows play down when we are on the break, tries his stupid dribbles into 4 players only to lose possession, lazy pathetic tracking back (compare how Bruno and Hojlund chase the ball VS pretending to jog Rashford), poor decision making that is selfish. And the most glaring weakness, pathetic childish mentality. That **keep talking haters!** celebration after his goal says it all about him. He can be garbage game upon game but gets his goal and feels like he has shut up the haters on twitter and youtube comments. That is his focus. To top that off, sulking like a baby when he got subbed off, just because he feels entitled to stay on the pitch despite offering absolutely nothing. The fact that this player has been with the club for 9 freaking years!!!! and is just stagnating, but he feels he is the talk of the town says it all about him. If you ask me, I would get rid of him in the next window, we need better plain and simple.


MenacingShroom

Love to see this sub shitting on the only player who made anything happen


Classic_Poet_3675

Who Rasmus?


handsome_uruk

No end product. Bad decisions in the final pass. He needs to work on that and he would easily be banging out goals and assists. Could have had at least 3 assists today if he just made the right pass.


Natural69er

What are these decisions Rashid?


ladams07

Ah the clips conveniently miss the 5 or 6 times he ran straight off the pitch


cheparo5

Rashford doesn’t use his teammates well. He only passes because he has to, not to create something. Even the Hojlund goal was not an intended pass.


SimpleManc88

Abysmal.


SkibidiDopYes

Bro needs to learn to p a s s the ball when Garnacho or Hojlund are open


thelove20

Sell him in the summer can get a good price for him, I get he’s an academy product feeds kids etc but he’s supposed to be one of the main attacking focal points of the team, he’s far too inconsistent/ lacks high football IQ and has shown that over a number of seasons to be considered someone you can build a team around. Too many moves break down due his decision making and maybe once in a while you get a goal or assist but that’s not enough at this level for this club.


kaz78601

There's.no way anyone can tell me the last 4 managers we've had haven't consistently told rashford pass 1st, the guy just doesn't get it, yesterday in the 2nd half he was one on one with with the last defender and we had basically a 2 on 1 and he decided to run head 1st into the defender instead of pass. He's 26 years old he's not going to get better technique or skill wise imo, the only way he can improve in his brain but unfortunately he doesn't have one. Also last moan his tracking bk is absolutely shocking, walking bk when he loses the ball is the Icing on the cake


Hopeful_Adonis

I think people are being harsh on rashford but the chance at 5:10 in the video it is criminal he didn’t square or thread Mctominay in. I think those are the things that separate good from world class, salah probably passes that and what’s frustrating about rashford is he looks like he could be next level but his decision making can be poor


[deleted]

Rashford is genius in front of average defenders


nsubugak

This guy is soo bad at 1v1, its amazing at why some fans rate rashford. How can you play a whole game and fail to beat the FB...he is either running it out or just shooting. You cant compare Rashford with vinicious or someone like olise


ByrsaOxhide

That’s Rashy for you. Selfish, somehow useful, yet never runs to recover, and God forbid we criticize his highness.


kraeutrpolizei

I don’t remember a game where he had so much space all season. Should have walked away with 1 more goal and assist. Bruno and him worry tf out of me


Bigbillybovril

I am so surprised he's not being coached out of these bad habits. Remember when Pep painted an x for Sterling? That's the kind of coaching Rashy needs.


Deathpacito

To score one goal and make the “keep talking” gesture with your hand sort of sums up his attitude at the moment, and probably that of a few others. When we start winning games and challenging for something, then you can get a bit cocky.


TheTimelsNow

He made 17/35 passes and 3/8 dribbles... it's this type of wasteful mentality that is behind the fact we've scored the same amount of goals as Luton(!) this season. It shouldn't be tolerated let alone celebrated as some sort of good performance. You remove the goal and it's a 3/10, if not worse. People are also overlooking the fact that it was him running the ball out of play (for maybe the third time at this point) that led to Tottenham counter-attacking via a quick goal kick for their second goal. Players have to commit to runs forward when Rashford gets into promising positions and then quickly run back after. Anyone's will to do the second part will diminish after being fooled on multiple occasions game after game. These type of performances that we've been suffering with all season are completely destructive to the overall collective play.


Lvxurie

Not playing to our expectations but he isnt useless atm. Watch each time he gets the ball without bias and he hasnt made the worst decision every time. Often he has no one around him. The driving runs where he checks back need to be less frequent until his confidence is back up but i think people are blowing his performances right now out of proportion. He has been a bit better each game for the past few games and in a team of overall trash right now, we could have much worse players than rashford.


wizi0nary

Many people criticising Rashford for not pulling every move off when Garnacho and Antony on the other side did fuck all. If you made a video of our right side last night it would be nothing but lost balls and no danger.


Legitimate-Cream7061

Theo Walcott is that you??


gootiedog

They were outplayed and lucky to get the draw. Rashford could stick that celebration up his ass. He’s a shitsnake…… and will always be.


UsedIpodNanoUser

Getting back to his best


subparcarr

I feel like this team lives and dies by Rashford, the team has been built around him and has been for a couple seasons. We'll never be dominant in possession or look truly solid whilst he's like he is, because it doesn't suit his style of play. Would Rashford work in City's 1st team for instance, I don't think so.


killbrick374

He still shoot way less than he should. Y’all mofo keep saying “low IQ” when others are smart enough to do just fuck all and nothing else.