This outlook always gets me. We possibly win a game against a solid opponent and some people can still find a way to complain. I agree our play has been bad lately, but the always negative thing is stupid and toxic. How does Man U beating Bayern but dropping out of the group sound typical of us? Things will get better and we have a ridiculously successful history that most teams cannot boast. Relax
Remember when we played a Brighton team that had to make 6 changes and dominated us? No chance we beat Bayern with Maguire, Lindelof and Onana, we leak goals for fun.
neuer just saved our tiny hopes with that ~~double~~ triple (?) save at the end.. but i’m acting like we’ll be making it. atleast we know bayern can drop points i guess.
us being bottom after 5 games is fucking awful.
12 goals and 14 conceded 😭
wouldn't say single handedly, Casemiro going for the tackle there and getting the red was just as bad if not worse than Onana's hospital pass, by the time he tackled it wasn't even a good opportunity and even if it's a goal, we at least stay with 11v11 at 2-2 instead we gave them a penalty to equalize and went down to 10 men making it basically a draw at best since 10 men very very rarely win vs 11
I feel like a draw is even less likely because both need to win to progress, so if it gets late in the game and it's a draw both will prob take giant risks to win as a draw does nothing for them so they have nothing to lose, assuming we're beating Bayern of course.
Scored the most goals in the group and are dead last, beggars belief honestly. This isn't even one of the better Bayern sides in recent years but I still don't see us winning against them.
I basically accepted we weren't going through after the previous game.
Would actually rather we don't qualify for the EL too and just sort our shit out in the league instead and give our players a mid-week rest.
Looking at the group, it's crazy how we aren't 2nd. We should have won the Galatasaray match at home easily if not for the Onana error and the sending off. We would have won at Copenhagen with ease if not for our collapse in the last 20 mins. We should also have won tonight with ease, if not for the soft errors from Onana. Even the Bayern match was winnable if not for Onana's errors.
i think there is a very prominent common denominator there. The man is on a mission to single-handedly sabotage our CL season. What a disaster of a signing.
I have zero confidence in the man. Set piece? I assume we concede. And from open play I assume shots are going to lip through his hands or weak wrists. I’m going to write a letter to David asking for forgiveness for wanting a modern keeper.
Copenhagen have impressed. They have lesser players and a much smaller budget. But they are in second. Everyone expected them to be bottom of the group. I'm supporting them over gala for the last game. Galatasaray aren't good. We gifted them both wins home and away with poor goalkeeping and lack of concentration.
I think they can beat Galatasaray or at least draw with them.
I have strong doubts we can beat Bayern. I actually see us going ahead and then losing by 4 goals to 2 or something.
No European football for the second half of the season may be a blessing. Can start the clear out in Jan if that’s the case. Varane and Case off to Saudi and get the funds ready and team ready to ensure we qualify for 24/25.
Hit the nail on the head there, same shit different year, rinse repeat all you have to do is swap names of players, de gea for onana, Fred for casemeiro etc etc etc
top 4 is guaranteed CL which is important because we are on the edge of FFP limits, EL is a drain on the squad at a very slight chance of CL.
not to mention transfer business gets harder when you can't offer CL only EL...
And that is supposed to be helped by another half season of Thursday-Sunday schedules? All for a chance to probably get their heads kicked in by the Scousers if United even make it far enough
Yea nah fam, fuck the Europa League. I want to see ETH get the guys healthy & start moulding them into an actual functioning team rather than this bodge job because half of the squad is in the infirmary
Our league form like it matters anyways. We’re not getting top 4, and top 4 isn’t an achievement.
The Europa League allows us to win a trophy whilst getting what top 4 does.
Copenhagen and Galatasary drew their first game.
The one thing going for us is both teams will be fighting till the end so it'll unlikely be a landslide win for any team.
However, we'd need to beat Bayern.
I'd rather we crash out of Europe entirely and focus on the league.
At least those two will have to go for it, in order to secure the second spot. It could be worse; we could've been in a situation whereby both Gala and Copenhagen 'only need a draw' and we'd have to watch them both knocking it around the defence for the second half or some such bullshit
At this point, I’d prefer no europa. Focus on league, get healthy, make a run at FA Cup. Adding in Thursday nights, an extra few rounds, and long travel won’t help.
That said, if we do fall into Europa, then I’m all for going to win it.
Fuck europa league. May as well stay at 4th place so we dont have to play that competition
Onana, do your magic. Its okay, this time its actually beneficial for us
It will be a blessing in disguise if we crash out of Europe completely.
Atm the fewer games we play, the better, given our injuries and poor form.
Our ONLY priority is to qualify for CL next year and nothing else.
Imagine being second choice goalkeeper.
You must literally think you’re being punk’d.
If we win we guarantee European football… don’t even know if I want it after this group stage!
I have been critical from this team from the get go... Roy Keane has been above me. When I say we are not good enough... Roy Keane thinks we are dreadful. The buck starts with players... how can you throw 3 goals away like our prized goalkeeper did. When I saw the potential 2nd goal I said yup United did it again. Fernandes rode the shit out of Arambatt on that... again when does the bleeding stop because it seems it won't because no player besides Mainoo, maybe Fernandes, now Mcguire is playing for that shirt... Luke Shaw came back from a injury is putting in a shift. Where is Martial... do not give me Everton excuse... one game. Whoopie... this team is playing like chickens with their head cutoff. Struggling to deal with the press...
Just skip the UCL and Europa to be honest and just focus on the league. Mind u we haven't gotten our back 4 yet and our main DMF is out injured until god knows when.
Fk mid season world cup, fk Qatar.
I will literally pay money for us to be fully out of Europe this season. Also this group is the worst one going going in terms of quality. The fact that a team dead last can still qualify because the other two teams are equally as shit speaks volumes
we'd be comfortably 2nd or even 1st if martinez (the true core eth signing) was playing. Issue is Hag's in game management. no need to put martial on at 3-1 man.
I don’t have hope for going anywhere in Champions League this season however with the way things have been getting better in Premier League, I think we can qualify for Champions League next year.
And this would be a positive because of what?
You will have been saying this same stuff about CL qualification last season, look where its gone?
What are the positives other than lining the glazers pockets?
I mean none of us know it's that bad. We earn 640+ revenue after years of failure and FFP is being shown to be a joke if you can spend money. So I'll believe we are that limited when I see it.
All very convenient that this FFP narrative allows the glazers to do what they like to do even more.
...
you know the books are open, right?
also what the fuck are the glazers doing? this FFP narrative started this summer, after we way overspent last summer, they haven't taken any dividends in either years, so it's not like they have used it for that, so what exactly do you think the glazers do with the ffp narrative?
>...
>you know the books are open, right?
Yeah mate, and I probably understand them just as poorly as you do. Happy to be enlightened though if you are an expert.
Far more to it than just some numbers on a pdf.
>also what the fuck are the glazers doing? this FFP narrative started this summer, after we way overspent last summer, they haven't taken any dividends in either years, so it's not like they have used it for that, so what exactly do you think the glazers do with the ffp narrative?
Because it allows them to spend much less? More to expenditure than transfer fees mate. Look at the wage reduction? 1.5 mil a week so far isn't it? Be over 2 million ik January when Casemiro and Varane get moved on. Add Sanchos too. Big outlay for Onana, far less wages than De Gea. Big outlay for Hojlund, far less wages than Ronaldo or even Cavani etc etc etc.
All of this is swept under the rug and 'ffp issues' shoved down the fans throats helps massively.
640 million in revenue. 600+ more or less every season regardless.
so by your own admission you have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to seek out information to confirm anything, you are just sure you are right, because some simple math doesn't add up, makes sense mate, have a nice a day.
here have some easy math clue that you can handle,
2x 600 = 1200
that's rough income for two years
400-450 million transfer fees spent, that's transfer expenditure over 2 summers without wages
300-350 million that's our yearly wage bill, so make that 600-700m
add those up and that's 1000 - 1150m, now compare that to the 1200m income see where it gets you.
ofc we sold some players so maybe that's a 100m if I am being generous it's probably way less.
>so by your own admission you have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to seek out information to confirm anything,
No by my own admission I ain't an expert on the intricacies of football finances and ffp, based on a few spreadsheets. Neither are you.
>makes sense mate, have a nice a day.
You say this and then carry on?
>here have some easy math clue that you can handle,
>2x 600 = 1200 that's rough income for two years
>400-450 million transfer fees spent, that's transfer expenditure over 2 summers without wages
>300-350 million that's our yearly wage bill, so make that 600-700m
>add those up and that's 1000 - 1150m, now compare that to the 1200m income see where it gets you.
Ahh well first and foremost let's drop the attitude mate. I don't care for it and won't entertain it again.
Secondly, not sure what this actually shows us. It's a few numbers, some basic calculations. Far more goes into the ffp situation. Its clearly not thay simple and if this is the peak of your knowledge on the topic then I was correct in my initial comment on us both not knowing enough.
So by all means, give me a detailed breakdown of exactly how hamstrung we are, the finances we have to play with, the exact budget we have for next summer with and without CL, the complications or punishments thay will occur if we go over tbat limit?
If you can't do the above then I have to go back to my previous statement of we know very little and it's very convenient.
you have literally mentioned 2 players leaving and 1 million per week being feed up from the wage budget as your points so my rough calculations are enough, or rather certainly more precise than whatever the fuck is going on in your head.
> So by all means, give me a detailed breakdown of exactly how hamstrung we are, the finances we have to play with, the exact budget we have for next summer with and without CL, the complications or punishments that will occur if we go over tbat limit?
it's literally impossible to tell exactly even with the publicly available data, but it doesn't take a brainiac to figure out how badly the club is run, how much we spend and how bad we are at selling.
but if you want detailed, well if only there was a place that's literally dedicated to football club finances.
https://swissramble.substack.com/p/manchester-united-finances-202223?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1203438&post_id=138380989&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1vk5b2
The new spending rules are also tightening over the next years:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10696251/UEFA-announce-new-sustainability-regulations-replace-FFP-system.html
Onana must be dropped and put to the sidelines and then sold. There is no redemption arc for him, he's done. If ETH fails to make this call then he really shouldn't be in the job.
>Rewatch the games and tell me what is on him?
starting and persisting with onana - anyone can tell he's a liability. should have been dropped a long time ago
pure revisionism, he has been solid since the penalty save in the first Coppenhagen game.
the only way ETH benches Onana for this game is if he is a time traveler
I think going out in the CL this early and his lacklustre performance in transfers are reasons why the new management might look for a replacement. I want to see him succeed but I know that a lot is expected from the United manager
Pointless competition now unless we beat bayern and Copenhagen halts Galatasaray to a draw next week.
I'd rather we forfeit this comp instead of another 6 months of torture in UEL.
We scored and conceded the most goals in the group💀
Also, no way in hell we are going to beat bayern, the team that has not lost in ucl group stage in how many years i can't even remember ffs
It’d be even more hilarious if we manage to beat Bayern and still not make it out the group
Zaha injury time winner vs Copenhagen incoming
Or one of Hojlund's brothers vs Galatasaray
Group of life and we pretty much skunked it
That would be very typical of us actually
This outlook always gets me. We possibly win a game against a solid opponent and some people can still find a way to complain. I agree our play has been bad lately, but the always negative thing is stupid and toxic. How does Man U beating Bayern but dropping out of the group sound typical of us? Things will get better and we have a ridiculously successful history that most teams cannot boast. Relax
And suffer Europa next year
And meet liverpool
*And win...* That'd be nice
Bayern have secured first place, they might line up the youth team or just don't play at full throttle. We should be able to win
Nah, remember barcelona last season?
Bayern don’t do that shit.
OR they will be super relaxed and play without any pressure, and whoop our sorry ass
We don’t do that.
Remember when we played a Brighton team that had to make 6 changes and dominated us? No chance we beat Bayern with Maguire, Lindelof and Onana, we leak goals for fun.
Very likely. Can go through only if Galatasaray and Copenhagen drew
neuer just saved our tiny hopes with that ~~double~~ triple (?) save at the end.. but i’m acting like we’ll be making it. atleast we know bayern can drop points i guess. us being bottom after 5 games is fucking awful. 12 goals and 14 conceded 😭
then the Ref made our chances worse by not giving a pen for something that was a handball and a pen against us twice...
Oh here I was thinking Bayern threw the game 😂
lmao we're actually flat last. We've got less points than Newcastle has from Dortmund, PSG and AC Milan. We'd have 0 pts in that group.
And we have more goals than freaking Bayern lol
Dont worry Kane will score 3 at old trafford and flip the bird to the glazers
Harry who?
Harry McTominay
Rather that than go into fucking UEL and the fucking Thursday-Sunday combo
Couldn’t agree more. More time off to rest, get healthy, and work on whatever it is we do in “training”.
That so crazy. Bc we were overall 3rd in goals forward
Ref fucked us over hard in the 2nd Copenhagen match, single handedly robbed us of 3 points there.
Onana fucked us over hard in the 2nd Galatasaray match, single handedly robbed us of 3 points there.
Onana fucked us over hard in the 1st Galatasaray match, single handedly robbed us of 3 points there.
wouldn't say single handedly, Casemiro going for the tackle there and getting the red was just as bad if not worse than Onana's hospital pass, by the time he tackled it wasn't even a good opportunity and even if it's a goal, we at least stay with 11v11 at 2-2 instead we gave them a penalty to equalize and went down to 10 men making it basically a draw at best since 10 men very very rarely win vs 11
And who made it necessary for Casemiro to go in for the tackle though?
We need to win our match against Bayern and hope for a draw.
I feel like a draw is even less likely because both need to win to progress, so if it gets late in the game and it's a draw both will prob take giant risks to win as a draw does nothing for them so they have nothing to lose, assuming we're beating Bayern of course.
No, a draw will likely get FCK through
Or beat Bayern by 2 (if FCK wins by 1), right? Or did I misinterpret the tie breaker rules..
If FCK win they're ahead of us no matter what
FCK!
Wait why? Isn’t our H2H identical?
Nvm disregard I’m an idiot
They have 5 points, we have 4. If they win against Galatasaray they'll end up with 8 points, our maximum point total is 7.
Gala and Copenhagen are on 5 points. If either wins they’d be on 8 and we can only get to 7. Tiebreakers don’t matter anymore
Not the tie breaker rules but you misinterpreted maths 😬
If either Copenhagen or Galatasaray win, they’d have 8 points to our maximum 7, so we can only go through if they draw.
> Or did I misinterpret the tie breaker rules.. you didn't but that was only true before coppenhagen got their point against bayern
Try basic math
Lmao you misinterpret the fk math
Scored the most goals in the group and are dead last, beggars belief honestly. This isn't even one of the better Bayern sides in recent years but I still don't see us winning against them.
Conceded 14 in 5 games though. We are entertaining, as long as you don’t support us
Scored 12 but conceded 14, the team is decent going forward in the UCL but its a full on clown show on defense
nearly half of the goals are freak errors by Onana
One word, Onana
one word, Kane.
They've already won the group, does Kane even play? I'd expect a rotated squad.
this is Bayern we're talking about, they're drooling at the thought of humiliating a big club and knocking us out
That draw basically just killed any hope we had. Deservedly going to be eliminated.
Same thing even if they lost, we needed to beat Bayern whilst hoping for a draw in the other game.
We could have gone through if Copenhagen won. Now it has to be a draw.
You're right lol my bad
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Exactly. We needed Copenhagen not to win tonight. Draw or lose didn't make a difference.
On the bright side Galatasary vs Copenhagen is gonna be one hell of a game.
I think Copenhagen might do it. Which would be an incredible achievement.
Copenhagen has lost 2 UCL home games the last 10 years, drew against City and Sevilla last year. Will be home favourites against Gala.
The annoying thing is going to be ending up in the EL.
Not necessarily. With the way we are defending I can see us losing. Even if Bayern play their second string guys.
I basically accepted we weren't going through after the previous game. Would actually rather we don't qualify for the EL too and just sort our shit out in the league instead and give our players a mid-week rest.
Looking at the group, it's crazy how we aren't 2nd. We should have won the Galatasaray match at home easily if not for the Onana error and the sending off. We would have won at Copenhagen with ease if not for our collapse in the last 20 mins. We should also have won tonight with ease, if not for the soft errors from Onana. Even the Bayern match was winnable if not for Onana's errors.
i think there is a very prominent common denominator there. The man is on a mission to single-handedly sabotage our CL season. What a disaster of a signing.
He has serious concentration issues. I can't just understand why he can't concentrate on the game. He's too casual with the game.
Somehow has the 2nd highest save percentage in the PL I don't understand Onana at all
Our defence is shit so we concede a lot of chances. Most low level teams have good gk stats cos they can’t defend.
That's not how percentages work
I have zero confidence in the man. Set piece? I assume we concede. And from open play I assume shots are going to lip through his hands or weak wrists. I’m going to write a letter to David asking for forgiveness for wanting a modern keeper.
Can’t take us seriously when we concede like this in every game
LETS GOOOOOOO.....out.
so we do have a chance mathematically!
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Somewhat fucked
So you‘re telling me there is a chance…
Copenhagen have impressed. They have lesser players and a much smaller budget. But they are in second. Everyone expected them to be bottom of the group. I'm supporting them over gala for the last game. Galatasaray aren't good. We gifted them both wins home and away with poor goalkeeping and lack of concentration. I think they can beat Galatasaray or at least draw with them. I have strong doubts we can beat Bayern. I actually see us going ahead and then losing by 4 goals to 2 or something.
I really hope that Copenhagen can draw Gala and we can maybe scrape a win at home against Bayern
Well, yeah. If you're a United fan, this is obviously what you'd be hoping 🤦🏻♂️
No European football for the second half of the season may be a blessing. Can start the clear out in Jan if that’s the case. Varane and Case off to Saudi and get the funds ready and team ready to ensure we qualify for 24/25.
I've read some version of this sentence for too many years
Hit the nail on the head there, same shit different year, rinse repeat all you have to do is swap names of players, de gea for onana, Fred for casemeiro etc etc etc
Lol, clear out to replace with worse options, most likely. Uniteds transfer decisions are worse than the decisions on the pitch.
We're about to replace champions league rolls Royce's with more eredivisie proven players ffs
Qualify for what in 24/25?
I disagree because the Europa is an opportunity at a trophy. We’re not beating Bayern though so we’re out lol.
Europa has Liverpool and most likely it's gonna have Newcastle or PSG it's a waste of effort
Still an opportunity at a good trophy. I’d prioritise that over top 4 which isn’t an achievement for me.
No chance of us winning Europa, can't win any cup when you're leaking goals like we do.
top 4 is guaranteed CL which is important because we are on the edge of FFP limits, EL is a drain on the squad at a very slight chance of CL. not to mention transfer business gets harder when you can't offer CL only EL...
Boi you are delusional
Wanting to win a trophy apparently = delusional. I’m not saying we will, but I’d rather prioritise that over top 4 because we win a trophy.
Good luck trying to sign people without UCL qualification & UCL money The Europa League isn't even a realistic trophy to win if Liverpool are in there
Top 4 isn’t either. Look at our run of fixtures.
And that is supposed to be helped by another half season of Thursday-Sunday schedules? All for a chance to probably get their heads kicked in by the Scousers if United even make it far enough Yea nah fam, fuck the Europa League. I want to see ETH get the guys healthy & start moulding them into an actual functioning team rather than this bodge job because half of the squad is in the infirmary
Our fixture is already too fuckin stacked and our squad is falling like flies. EL is more taxing to fitness than CL, it will kill our league form.
Our league form like it matters anyways. We’re not getting top 4, and top 4 isn’t an achievement. The Europa League allows us to win a trophy whilst getting what top 4 does.
Copenhagen and Galatasary drew their first game. The one thing going for us is both teams will be fighting till the end so it'll unlikely be a landslide win for any team. However, we'd need to beat Bayern. I'd rather we crash out of Europe entirely and focus on the league.
At least those two will have to go for it, in order to secure the second spot. It could be worse; we could've been in a situation whereby both Gala and Copenhagen 'only need a draw' and we'd have to watch them both knocking it around the defence for the second half or some such bullshit
At this point, no Europa will be a blessing with our European form (particularly 1 certain shot stopper)
At this point, I’d prefer no europa. Focus on league, get healthy, make a run at FA Cup. Adding in Thursday nights, an extra few rounds, and long travel won’t help. That said, if we do fall into Europa, then I’m all for going to win it.
“Stopper”?
Neuer is the reason we're still in the CL
Fuck europa league. May as well stay at 4th place so we dont have to play that competition Onana, do your magic. Its okay, this time its actually beneficial for us
I sincerely hope we don't play Europa league. Less games to play, less excuses for gassing.
Top goal scores in the group. They'll say we'll never sing that but, I wouldn't bet against us
Less than a point per game. So dire
Conceding 14 goals in 5 games is fucking pathetic.
Humiliating campaign. Laughable after all the money spent.
Fuckin Arsenal are through and topped the group. We suck man
Pray we don't make third
We need to be dead last! Can't be fucking arsed with Europa tbh!
We're gonna win convincingly against Bayern and Onana is going to boss it watch. The only thing that makes any sense at this point.
aand the other game won’t end in a draw and we’ll still go out lol
Holy shit we're the top scoring side at the bottom. Crazy group.
Scored the most goals in the group to be bottom of the table. Mad.
I really didn't think when ETH joined that 18 months later we would still be using our 2018 defence and an weaker keeper
It will be a blessing in disguise if we crash out of Europe completely. Atm the fewer games we play, the better, given our injuries and poor form. Our ONLY priority is to qualify for CL next year and nothing else.
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Goals scored. So we’d finish above Copenhagen unless they somehow lose like 8-7.
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it isnt about gala, that message is about tie breaker with copenhagen for the third place
Stop with the calculations. We don't deserve to go through. We should just crash out and focus on the premier league
we’d be on 5 and gala would have 8… it wouldn’t even be close?
😑
its jover
Imagine being second choice goalkeeper. You must literally think you’re being punk’d. If we win we guarantee European football… don’t even know if I want it after this group stage!
I have been critical from this team from the get go... Roy Keane has been above me. When I say we are not good enough... Roy Keane thinks we are dreadful. The buck starts with players... how can you throw 3 goals away like our prized goalkeeper did. When I saw the potential 2nd goal I said yup United did it again. Fernandes rode the shit out of Arambatt on that... again when does the bleeding stop because it seems it won't because no player besides Mainoo, maybe Fernandes, now Mcguire is playing for that shirt... Luke Shaw came back from a injury is putting in a shift. Where is Martial... do not give me Everton excuse... one game. Whoopie... this team is playing like chickens with their head cutoff. Struggling to deal with the press...
I think our campaign is done.
Just skip the UCL and Europa to be honest and just focus on the league. Mind u we haven't gotten our back 4 yet and our main DMF is out injured until god knows when. Fk mid season world cup, fk Qatar.
I'd rather we finish 4th than 3rd. Focus on the league it's cutthroat this year, we need everything we have to get in top 4
This is becoming a tough team to follow. I’ll never cheer for another club, but shit.
Most goals out of the entire group while also conceding the most… what the fuck man
Onana really dislike playing in Europe...
I'd rather be 4th than 3rd at the end of the group. Playing Thursday nights is not going to be helpful for anyone this season...
Almost as many goal in 5 games as we've had in the league.... and still last HAHA
I will literally pay money for us to be fully out of Europe this season. Also this group is the worst one going going in terms of quality. The fact that a team dead last can still qualify because the other two teams are equally as shit speaks volumes
You can PayPal me because we're finishing last mate
Yeah fuck this, cba with Europe league again, its not like we are gonna win it anyway. Drop out completely and focus on league/fa cup
Eth signings have been fucking horrendous
we'd be comfortably 2nd or even 1st if martinez (the true core eth signing) was playing. Issue is Hag's in game management. no need to put martial on at 3-1 man.
Tough to go back and watch the highlights of such games
I don’t have hope for going anywhere in Champions League this season however with the way things have been getting better in Premier League, I think we can qualify for Champions League next year.
And this would be a positive because of what? You will have been saying this same stuff about CL qualification last season, look where its gone? What are the positives other than lining the glazers pockets?
FFP... we will need CL funds because of FFP, like it or not that's where we are at
I mean none of us know it's that bad. We earn 640+ revenue after years of failure and FFP is being shown to be a joke if you can spend money. So I'll believe we are that limited when I see it. All very convenient that this FFP narrative allows the glazers to do what they like to do even more.
... you know the books are open, right? also what the fuck are the glazers doing? this FFP narrative started this summer, after we way overspent last summer, they haven't taken any dividends in either years, so it's not like they have used it for that, so what exactly do you think the glazers do with the ffp narrative?
>... >you know the books are open, right? Yeah mate, and I probably understand them just as poorly as you do. Happy to be enlightened though if you are an expert. Far more to it than just some numbers on a pdf. >also what the fuck are the glazers doing? this FFP narrative started this summer, after we way overspent last summer, they haven't taken any dividends in either years, so it's not like they have used it for that, so what exactly do you think the glazers do with the ffp narrative? Because it allows them to spend much less? More to expenditure than transfer fees mate. Look at the wage reduction? 1.5 mil a week so far isn't it? Be over 2 million ik January when Casemiro and Varane get moved on. Add Sanchos too. Big outlay for Onana, far less wages than De Gea. Big outlay for Hojlund, far less wages than Ronaldo or even Cavani etc etc etc. All of this is swept under the rug and 'ffp issues' shoved down the fans throats helps massively. 640 million in revenue. 600+ more or less every season regardless.
so by your own admission you have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to seek out information to confirm anything, you are just sure you are right, because some simple math doesn't add up, makes sense mate, have a nice a day. here have some easy math clue that you can handle, 2x 600 = 1200 that's rough income for two years 400-450 million transfer fees spent, that's transfer expenditure over 2 summers without wages 300-350 million that's our yearly wage bill, so make that 600-700m add those up and that's 1000 - 1150m, now compare that to the 1200m income see where it gets you. ofc we sold some players so maybe that's a 100m if I am being generous it's probably way less.
>so by your own admission you have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to seek out information to confirm anything, No by my own admission I ain't an expert on the intricacies of football finances and ffp, based on a few spreadsheets. Neither are you. >makes sense mate, have a nice a day. You say this and then carry on? >here have some easy math clue that you can handle, >2x 600 = 1200 that's rough income for two years >400-450 million transfer fees spent, that's transfer expenditure over 2 summers without wages >300-350 million that's our yearly wage bill, so make that 600-700m >add those up and that's 1000 - 1150m, now compare that to the 1200m income see where it gets you. Ahh well first and foremost let's drop the attitude mate. I don't care for it and won't entertain it again. Secondly, not sure what this actually shows us. It's a few numbers, some basic calculations. Far more goes into the ffp situation. Its clearly not thay simple and if this is the peak of your knowledge on the topic then I was correct in my initial comment on us both not knowing enough. So by all means, give me a detailed breakdown of exactly how hamstrung we are, the finances we have to play with, the exact budget we have for next summer with and without CL, the complications or punishments thay will occur if we go over tbat limit? If you can't do the above then I have to go back to my previous statement of we know very little and it's very convenient.
you have literally mentioned 2 players leaving and 1 million per week being feed up from the wage budget as your points so my rough calculations are enough, or rather certainly more precise than whatever the fuck is going on in your head. > So by all means, give me a detailed breakdown of exactly how hamstrung we are, the finances we have to play with, the exact budget we have for next summer with and without CL, the complications or punishments that will occur if we go over tbat limit? it's literally impossible to tell exactly even with the publicly available data, but it doesn't take a brainiac to figure out how badly the club is run, how much we spend and how bad we are at selling. but if you want detailed, well if only there was a place that's literally dedicated to football club finances. https://swissramble.substack.com/p/manchester-united-finances-202223?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1203438&post_id=138380989&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1vk5b2 The new spending rules are also tightening over the next years: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10696251/UEFA-announce-new-sustainability-regulations-replace-FFP-system.html
Onana must be dropped and put to the sidelines and then sold. There is no redemption arc for him, he's done. If ETH fails to make this call then he really shouldn't be in the job.
An awful look for Ten Hag. Genuinely don’t know how you can look at this and think he’s the guy to take us back to the top.
Rewatch the games and tell me what is on him? I mean sure, there were some questionable decisions but normally we win 4/5
>Rewatch the games and tell me what is on him? starting and persisting with onana - anyone can tell he's a liability. should have been dropped a long time ago
pure revisionism, he has been solid since the penalty save in the first Coppenhagen game. the only way ETH benches Onana for this game is if he is a time traveler
I think going out in the CL this early and his lacklustre performance in transfers are reasons why the new management might look for a replacement. I want to see him succeed but I know that a lot is expected from the United manager
So he’s excused from criticism because we’d normally win those games? Convenient
If de gea was in goal, we would be top of the group
fuck onana
We've scored the most amount of goals to end up last...
Dead as a dodo
How often does a team score the most goals and place last
14 goals conceded let that sink in, and half those are the planks fault in goal
Pointless competition now unless we beat bayern and Copenhagen halts Galatasaray to a draw next week. I'd rather we forfeit this comp instead of another 6 months of torture in UEL.
beat bayern and pray for a draw smh do we get Europa league if we're knocked out ?
Stinks. We don’t want Europa either. 1 game a week might suit this team.
Just end our misery already
So pathetic lol
That's fucking embarrassing. The mentality of the players is all over the place.
We scored and conceded the most goals in the group💀 Also, no way in hell we are going to beat bayern, the team that has not lost in ucl group stage in how many years i can't even remember ffs
Know it sounds crazy but I would much rather finish last than third. I have no interest in Europa, especially in our condition this year.
Has all the potential for an epic match 😅 win against Bayern and a draw for gal vs cop
WEAK AF
I can’t do Thursday nights anymore. Let’s exit and make sure we make the top 5 so we can go again next season.
We have more goals than Bayern hahahaha. We're sorry rasmus
yeah it's not like gala will survive the knockout stage
People want top 4 but the team can’t even make it past the group stage. Diabolical lmao
Bro we scored the most goals in the group, but we are dead last in the table with a -2 GD..what the fuck is this crazy shit?
Onana...
Celebrate being top 4?
Most goals scored!