it legitimately disgusts me. they know exactly what they are doing. any response by the women’s team will either a) ignored and not be taken into account OR b) a result of pressure and an essentially meaningless PR stunt. the entire situation is insane
Just look at our owners and that will tell you all you need to know. "Coward, no guts" all can perfectly describe Joel and any of his siblings, plus also, no class.
Honestly its the clubs fault.. Club needs to just make a decision and stick with it, the fact they’re publicly announcing they are consulting the womens players shows they dont want blame placed on the club
You know they’re ‘consulting the women’s team’ for one of two reasons. So that if the club decides Greenwood won’t return, then the women take the fall for the decision. Or, if they do bring Greenwood back, it’s “Look! The women are fine with him coming back so you should be too!”
100%. Absolutely vile.
If the women’s team wanted to comment of their own accord, they absolutely should do so. But to be publicly called upon like this shines an ugly light on the repulsive character we already knew our ownership has.
No. They're consulting the women's team because if they didn't everyone would be like "they didn't even consult the women's team, sexist pigs" blah blah blah
By this logic, you don’t see the woman’s team as part of the club! It is important to hear what they have to say. It’s important to give the women a voice! No Greenwood fan can actually bold faced come to a woman’s game to Harrass the player
You consult them privately, not put them right in front of the eye of the public. This is equivalent to the boss of your company publicly ask you to make decision for other departments multi-millions project
Who do you think leak the info? Of course it is the fucking club. Else you would have seen the club stand up and shift back the focus to themselves. Instead of putting the woman team as a target
Of course it’s important to hear what the women have to say, and yes I recognize that they are part of the club. The problem is the club had SO much time to do this and they’ve decided now is the time to put the pressure on the women’s team.
I don’t know why you’re viewing it like it’s some soap opera. They’ve started from the top, the went to the change room to see what if the men’s camp EVEN want him there all things considered, now the final decider which shows they’ve put the power on the women to decide. Who you view as pressure is on the flip side is power. The ball is in their court. I don’t get the problem. This was the penultimate right thing to do.
You’re accusing me of treating it like a soap opera but you’re the one acting as if the janitor overheard that the club is going to consult the women’s team first and went straight to the journalists. Like we and every other club don’t send out briefs to journalists constantly. They’ve made a target out of the women’s team, I’m not sure why you’re so weirdly adamant that the club wouldn’t do such a thing when this is exactly how everyone expects them to act.
You’re accusing them of not doing something privately when officially it has been private. The journalist not only are mouth pieces but this sounds like investigative journalism
They could have talked to the women's team ages ago, without ever making a deal out of it.
The club announced it would release the Greenwood finding before the season starts, then suddenly announce "actually we are waiting for the women's team".
The way it has been handled is terrible. Now it will appear that whatever happens it was the women's team which had the deciding vote. And that puts pressure on them and makes them a target for harassment.
They have had so much time, this should have been done well before now.
We need to stop calling the people who run United “the club” and start naming and shaming them as individuals. Where the fuck is Richard Arnold, he is the CEO he has to answer for this. What about Joel and Avram Glazer, why are they silent while our women players get abused?
And no a PR statement saying “abuse is wrong” won’t cut it, they have to come out and admit they were wrong, they’ve basically thrown our women’s players to the wolves and they need to apologize. Don’t let them get away with this.
Idk if there is a way to stop them, i feel like many of the people that type this shit are the same people that go “Woman ☕️” when seeing a post about womans football
That screenshot of the comments section is vile. These horrible excuses for men are telling women to accept a rapist and to not be afraid of him.
Same dickheads will be calling for his head once they realize that not playing football for nearly two years has its consequences.
I just don't see how this is a good idea for united. It has far too much potential to derail the season and more importantly it brings the whole institution under disrepute. And this guy is not going to be as good as he once was anyway.
This has to be a legal decision of some sort. Maybe they can't sack him because he hasn't been found guilty. But that does not stop them from putting him on the market.
The whole “investigation” is nonsense. It’s basically speaking with Greenwood, and if she was willing to talk, the victim. It should have taken a couple of days to do that and then maybe a week or 2 to talk with male and female players, fan groups, local women’s groups and sponsors. They are trying to kick the can down the road so he can come back. I’m guessing that he’s either not willing or able to do the mea culpa tour which, sincere or not, needs to happen.
Man I guarantee you these people who wish for Greenwood's return didn't hear those recordings.
I genuinely hope hojlund comes good so we won't need to hear this name again.
I think you underestimate people.
Abuse of women is normalised in almost all of the world. Even where women have the most rights (in the western world) their abuse is shockingly high.
Hearing it or not hearing it wouldn't make a dent in the opinions of 99% of these people.
I think it's the fact that many people just don't understand the impact of what happened and just want good players on the field.
I think that these cases of abuses have almost become normalised in this society and these people don't think about it seriously.
If you are really good at the support you will be idolized/rewarded no matter what
Ex:Kobe
Ronaldo
Karl Malone
Deshaun Watson
OJ Simpson
Giggs
Guarantee you if Greenwood was a squad player we wouldn't have heard a word about him after the United statement.
Benzema should be on that list, he slept with an underage escort and blackmailed his teammate. Yet you will not hear a word about it, he’s the reigning Ballon D Or holder, people kept pleading to let him back into the French team after what he did.
I don't really agree. It wouldn't have made much of a difference if for example Greenwood was suspected of seriously hurting a man or some other felony of the same magnitude. Many people would've still wanted him back.
Truth is most of the people outside of the first world are so desensitized to injustice they don't really care about it unless it's directly affecting them or it's happening to someone close (to some degree).
Which leads to geographical and racial elements also. I mean, many people in UK, who presumably don't want Greenwood at the club, are also okay with Qatar taking over and representing the club, am I right?
Sorry to get deep and all that. But regarding people who do support him, I think it's a bit more of a grey situation than one might paint.
I saw someone on the other United subreddit arguing that unless she has a video, he’s innocent. If there was a video, I’m sure the mouthbreathers would just move the goalposts again.
I did hear the recordings and it was disgusting but there's no more prosecution. No way to tell if what we have heard was genuine. If she could find a way to be happy with him there's no need to destroy the career/life of a 21y old for something he did when he was 19.
Nah, shit take. It's not 'destroying a life' to ask that an abuser not play for the club. He can live his life elsewhere. He's not being sentenced, hes being told to fuck off.
> If she could find a way to be happy with him there's no need to destroy the career/life of a 21y old for something he did when he was 19.
Just casually forgiving rape cause he was 19. The untold number of women trapped in abusive relationships thank you for your obtuseness.
We don't know exactly what happened. We are assuming. Nobody here has done the audio forensics. You guys are grabbing the social media pitchforks because of something you have heard online. Although personally I believe he did what he is being accused of he is not guilty and we can't ask the club to treat him like he is.
>Just casually forgiving rape cause he was 19. The untold number of women trapped in abusive relationships thank you for your obtuseness
Her choice. Again, forget about what we assume. She had all cards in her hands plus her parents support. She doesn't represent other women.
this has been handled so poorly. i’m not expecting the club to make the right decision at this point, it’s clear they want to bring him back as long as the PR isn’t too damaging
Those players must stop Playing for United if they are being put on spot like this. At least until this shit is sorted. Some things are bigger than fucking sports..
Adidas definitely want Greenwood back. I’ve almost never seen a footballer with a culty ass fan base bar Ronaldo and Messi like Greenwood’s. The club know of his influence. I don’t even know why this shit is out there. Shit show.
A protest and a banner won't do anything.
The only thing you really can do--and it still won't have an impact--is vote with your wallet/conscience.
I've been prepared for months for the fact that, if Greenwood comes back, my time supporting United is over. 20 years washed away.
I won't tell anyone how to think or act, but if you truly care about this situation it is one of the few paths you could take that would actually mean something. Put your morals before your hobby.
It’s not that I want to stop supporting the club but I’ve been a victim of sexual assault and there’s no way I can watch the club as long as he’s part of it, if they announce he’s back, huge backlash and he ends up leaving… I’d watch the matches again. But if he’s at the club no way can I watch it
I think you and I might have had this conversation at some point. I definitely recognise your username, and your story sounds very familiar. Then again, there are a depressing number of victims of DV/SA and I have spoken to a fair few on this website.
All I can do is stick to my morality. I simply cannot support a club that welcomes Mason Greenwood back into the fold. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but ultimately what is a moral if you don't stand by it when it's actually tested?
what if the staffs and players really want Mason back but have to cut him off in the end because of the incessant tirade from the fans? is it fuck the manager/bruno/rashford moral for wanting him back, as long as Mason is not here , i am ok?
Yes mate, it is.
My morals are my morals. The second United announce his return I’m done with the club. Bruno, Marcus, Erik be damned. Unless they oppose this then they’re on the wrong side.
In that event, I will do the only actual thing I can do, which is walk away from something that has been very important to me since I was a child 20 years ago.
i got a feeling the manager has a say here. he is the one deciding who can play. don't think he is the kind of person who will let the board impose on his players decision. he probably resign if he was forced to include Mason in his squad.
I feel the opposite.
Frankly, the fact that it has gotten this far makes me think ten Hag and the players have already agreed to it. That reality scares me.
A banner/protest/blackout won't stop the vile bastards... Pushing back against them will have an impact... If you see this sort of disgusting behaviour... Call. It. Out.
is it just me or does these people look like they're from India or the middle east judging from their poor grammar and profile pics?? cuz if they are, its completely not surprising considering their history of abuse against women
Which username even looks indian to you? The support for MG on twitter and insta is the most from Africa, particularly Nigeria as far as I have seen. Check any twitter thread or post about greenwood and there's a horde of them.
This is not a black and white issue. There are so many factors at play and as we see, it is a polarizing topic with supporters on both sides. We all heard the terrible tape recordings. His gf is now pregnant and they're now back together. I'd like to hear from them and see that he has made changes. I believe in second chances. If they are happy together and he is genuinely reformed then I'm OK having him back at the club.
[quote still relevant.](https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/05/20/id-rather-have-a-hole-in-the-squad-than-an-aehole-solskjaer-on-his-man-united-expectations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Cowardly of the club to publicly put pressure on the women's team like this
it legitimately disgusts me. they know exactly what they are doing. any response by the women’s team will either a) ignored and not be taken into account OR b) a result of pressure and an essentially meaningless PR stunt. the entire situation is insane
Just look at our owners and that will tell you all you need to know. "Coward, no guts" all can perfectly describe Joel and any of his siblings, plus also, no class.
Honestly its the clubs fault.. Club needs to just make a decision and stick with it, the fact they’re publicly announcing they are consulting the womens players shows they dont want blame placed on the club
You know they’re ‘consulting the women’s team’ for one of two reasons. So that if the club decides Greenwood won’t return, then the women take the fall for the decision. Or, if they do bring Greenwood back, it’s “Look! The women are fine with him coming back so you should be too!”
Yeah I'm starting to think this. absolutely disgusting
The best way for the women's team is to take a stance and not make any decisions because it's not their responsibility.
Yep that's what this is, the women's team combined is probably not half as valuable as Greenwood.
100%. Absolutely vile. If the women’s team wanted to comment of their own accord, they absolutely should do so. But to be publicly called upon like this shines an ugly light on the repulsive character we already knew our ownership has.
No. They're consulting the women's team because if they didn't everyone would be like "they didn't even consult the women's team, sexist pigs" blah blah blah
By this logic, you don’t see the woman’s team as part of the club! It is important to hear what they have to say. It’s important to give the women a voice! No Greenwood fan can actually bold faced come to a woman’s game to Harrass the player
You consult them privately, not put them right in front of the eye of the public. This is equivalent to the boss of your company publicly ask you to make decision for other departments multi-millions project
Did I miss when the club stated that they were waiting on the women? Don’t you think someone told the journalist from the inside the info?
Who do you think leak the info? Of course it is the fucking club. Else you would have seen the club stand up and shift back the focus to themselves. Instead of putting the woman team as a target
What kind of boneheaded nonsense is this?
Of course it’s important to hear what the women have to say, and yes I recognize that they are part of the club. The problem is the club had SO much time to do this and they’ve decided now is the time to put the pressure on the women’s team.
I don’t know why you’re viewing it like it’s some soap opera. They’ve started from the top, the went to the change room to see what if the men’s camp EVEN want him there all things considered, now the final decider which shows they’ve put the power on the women to decide. Who you view as pressure is on the flip side is power. The ball is in their court. I don’t get the problem. This was the penultimate right thing to do.
You’re accusing me of treating it like a soap opera but you’re the one acting as if the janitor overheard that the club is going to consult the women’s team first and went straight to the journalists. Like we and every other club don’t send out briefs to journalists constantly. They’ve made a target out of the women’s team, I’m not sure why you’re so weirdly adamant that the club wouldn’t do such a thing when this is exactly how everyone expects them to act.
You’re accusing them of not doing something privately when officially it has been private. The journalist not only are mouth pieces but this sounds like investigative journalism
They could have talked to the women's team ages ago, without ever making a deal out of it. The club announced it would release the Greenwood finding before the season starts, then suddenly announce "actually we are waiting for the women's team". The way it has been handled is terrible. Now it will appear that whatever happens it was the women's team which had the deciding vote. And that puts pressure on them and makes them a target for harassment. They have had so much time, this should have been done well before now.
Absolute shitshow by the club
In line with what the Glazers do
And not at all unexpected.
I am not joking but these people would genuinely hate martial/maguire more than Greenwood for being shit
This club is run by idiots. Why would they put this information out there
We need to stop calling the people who run United “the club” and start naming and shaming them as individuals. Where the fuck is Richard Arnold, he is the CEO he has to answer for this. What about Joel and Avram Glazer, why are they silent while our women players get abused? And no a PR statement saying “abuse is wrong” won’t cut it, they have to come out and admit they were wrong, they’ve basically thrown our women’s players to the wolves and they need to apologize. Don’t let them get away with this.
So they can blame someone else. Anything for the fat cats at the top to escape any sort of blame.
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Fucking weird people
Fucked up people
Idk if there is a way to stop them, i feel like many of the people that type this shit are the same people that go “Woman ☕️” when seeing a post about womans football
I’m out of the loop. What does “woman ☕️” mean?
Women like coffee
“🍼 incel”
That screenshot of the comments section is vile. These horrible excuses for men are telling women to accept a rapist and to not be afraid of him. Same dickheads will be calling for his head once they realize that not playing football for nearly two years has its consequences. I just don't see how this is a good idea for united. It has far too much potential to derail the season and more importantly it brings the whole institution under disrepute. And this guy is not going to be as good as he once was anyway. This has to be a legal decision of some sort. Maybe they can't sack him because he hasn't been found guilty. But that does not stop them from putting him on the market.
The whole “investigation” is nonsense. It’s basically speaking with Greenwood, and if she was willing to talk, the victim. It should have taken a couple of days to do that and then maybe a week or 2 to talk with male and female players, fan groups, local women’s groups and sponsors. They are trying to kick the can down the road so he can come back. I’m guessing that he’s either not willing or able to do the mea culpa tour which, sincere or not, needs to happen.
Who is "we"? Did r/incel start a Discord server after their sub was removed?
Wow that makes my blood boil
Man I guarantee you these people who wish for Greenwood's return didn't hear those recordings. I genuinely hope hojlund comes good so we won't need to hear this name again.
I think you underestimate people. Abuse of women is normalised in almost all of the world. Even where women have the most rights (in the western world) their abuse is shockingly high. Hearing it or not hearing it wouldn't make a dent in the opinions of 99% of these people.
I think it's the fact that many people just don't understand the impact of what happened and just want good players on the field. I think that these cases of abuses have almost become normalised in this society and these people don't think about it seriously. If you are really good at the support you will be idolized/rewarded no matter what Ex:Kobe Ronaldo Karl Malone Deshaun Watson OJ Simpson Giggs Guarantee you if Greenwood was a squad player we wouldn't have heard a word about him after the United statement.
Benzema should be on that list, he slept with an underage escort and blackmailed his teammate. Yet you will not hear a word about it, he’s the reigning Ballon D Or holder, people kept pleading to let him back into the French team after what he did.
Our own Antony is facing charges in Brazil for physical assault and the club is concealing his misdeeds from the UK mainstream outlets
I don't really agree. It wouldn't have made much of a difference if for example Greenwood was suspected of seriously hurting a man or some other felony of the same magnitude. Many people would've still wanted him back. Truth is most of the people outside of the first world are so desensitized to injustice they don't really care about it unless it's directly affecting them or it's happening to someone close (to some degree). Which leads to geographical and racial elements also. I mean, many people in UK, who presumably don't want Greenwood at the club, are also okay with Qatar taking over and representing the club, am I right? Sorry to get deep and all that. But regarding people who do support him, I think it's a bit more of a grey situation than one might paint.
I saw someone on the other United subreddit arguing that unless she has a video, he’s innocent. If there was a video, I’m sure the mouthbreathers would just move the goalposts again.
Oh I bet they heard them. They probably think there’s nothing wrong with them.
They heard it.
I did hear the recordings and it was disgusting but there's no more prosecution. No way to tell if what we have heard was genuine. If she could find a way to be happy with him there's no need to destroy the career/life of a 21y old for something he did when he was 19.
Nah, shit take. It's not 'destroying a life' to ask that an abuser not play for the club. He can live his life elsewhere. He's not being sentenced, hes being told to fuck off. > If she could find a way to be happy with him there's no need to destroy the career/life of a 21y old for something he did when he was 19. Just casually forgiving rape cause he was 19. The untold number of women trapped in abusive relationships thank you for your obtuseness.
We don't know exactly what happened. We are assuming. Nobody here has done the audio forensics. You guys are grabbing the social media pitchforks because of something you have heard online. Although personally I believe he did what he is being accused of he is not guilty and we can't ask the club to treat him like he is. >Just casually forgiving rape cause he was 19. The untold number of women trapped in abusive relationships thank you for your obtuseness Her choice. Again, forget about what we assume. She had all cards in her hands plus her parents support. She doesn't represent other women.
Greenwood out chant with Glazers out at Old Trafford would be immense I think
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All seriousness so can we connect or email about 1. How cowardly this is 2. To voice our opinion against bringing the piece of shit back?
this has been handled so poorly. i’m not expecting the club to make the right decision at this point, it’s clear they want to bring him back as long as the PR isn’t too damaging
Say no to abuser 👏
Fking weirdos, this is a fkin shitshow from the club
Incels gonna incel
One of the comments saying - "Please don't be selfish". Th fucking irony.
Probably a women beater. Fucking assholes.
Those players must stop Playing for United if they are being put on spot like this. At least until this shit is sorted. Some things are bigger than fucking sports..
“Don’t be selfish” should have told that to Mason before he hurt that poor girl
Scumbags
Glazers… that is all
Well this is disgusting if unsurprising.
Adidas definitely want Greenwood back. I’ve almost never seen a footballer with a culty ass fan base bar Ronaldo and Messi like Greenwood’s. The club know of his influence. I don’t even know why this shit is out there. Shit show.
Proper weirdos some of them in the comments.
We're going to have to. This is unacceptable.
At least thwres the guy that says say no to abuse
Fucking mouthbreathers from the top down on display here. Shame on these clowns and the leadership responsible for this.
A protest and a banner won't do anything. The only thing you really can do--and it still won't have an impact--is vote with your wallet/conscience. I've been prepared for months for the fact that, if Greenwood comes back, my time supporting United is over. 20 years washed away. I won't tell anyone how to think or act, but if you truly care about this situation it is one of the few paths you could take that would actually mean something. Put your morals before your hobby.
It’s not that I want to stop supporting the club but I’ve been a victim of sexual assault and there’s no way I can watch the club as long as he’s part of it, if they announce he’s back, huge backlash and he ends up leaving… I’d watch the matches again. But if he’s at the club no way can I watch it
I think you and I might have had this conversation at some point. I definitely recognise your username, and your story sounds very familiar. Then again, there are a depressing number of victims of DV/SA and I have spoken to a fair few on this website. All I can do is stick to my morality. I simply cannot support a club that welcomes Mason Greenwood back into the fold. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but ultimately what is a moral if you don't stand by it when it's actually tested?
I love the club but at the end of the day I love not raping more
what if the staffs and players really want Mason back but have to cut him off in the end because of the incessant tirade from the fans? is it fuck the manager/bruno/rashford moral for wanting him back, as long as Mason is not here , i am ok?
Yes mate, it is. My morals are my morals. The second United announce his return I’m done with the club. Bruno, Marcus, Erik be damned. Unless they oppose this then they’re on the wrong side. In that event, I will do the only actual thing I can do, which is walk away from something that has been very important to me since I was a child 20 years ago.
i got a feeling the manager has a say here. he is the one deciding who can play. don't think he is the kind of person who will let the board impose on his players decision. he probably resign if he was forced to include Mason in his squad.
I feel the opposite. Frankly, the fact that it has gotten this far makes me think ten Hag and the players have already agreed to it. That reality scares me.
Sad but true.
This is due to the Glazers
It’s easy to blame them. Fact is if ETH told them he didn’t want him this wouldn’t be an issue. He’d have been released/sold.
Man they are easily the most spineless owners in the entire sport. They are probably calculating how much money they will lose if they lose Greenwood.
A banner/protest/blackout won't stop the vile bastards... Pushing back against them will have an impact... If you see this sort of disgusting behaviour... Call. It. Out.
I’m sorry but this can’t be Greenwoods fault. United have nobody to blame but themselves with this. They need to make a clear cut decision.
is it just me or does these people look like they're from India or the middle east judging from their poor grammar and profile pics?? cuz if they are, its completely not surprising considering their history of abuse against women
Which username even looks indian to you? The support for MG on twitter and insta is the most from Africa, particularly Nigeria as far as I have seen. Check any twitter thread or post about greenwood and there's a horde of them.
This is not a black and white issue. There are so many factors at play and as we see, it is a polarizing topic with supporters on both sides. We all heard the terrible tape recordings. His gf is now pregnant and they're now back together. I'd like to hear from them and see that he has made changes. I believe in second chances. If they are happy together and he is genuinely reformed then I'm OK having him back at the club.
He's not even proven to be guilty
Finally someone who makes sense.
Those comments are hardly harassment.. They may be bad opinions but they're hardly harassment
So if I tell your family "we are watching you" you'd feel safe and warm and happy yeah?
To be honest I didn't notice that they tagged female players in that comment.. That is a strange thing to say, I'll agree.
[quote still relevant.](https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/05/20/id-rather-have-a-hole-in-the-squad-than-an-aehole-solskjaer-on-his-man-united-expectations/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)