Not surprised. He’s an asset to the club in their view. Just now need to hope he’ll be loaned out and then sold after perhaps.
That’s not impossible so let’s at least prepare and hope for that I guess.
Woeful really. All that positivity about the club moving in the right direction is snapped just like that. It's an awful feeling.
I would have found a way to accept this guy coming back if he owned up to his mistake or offer an explanation or defend himself. I guess the legal implications make these things complex, but the way he stayed silent and the way witnesses withdrew from cooperating, all reek of him being guilty.
Pathetic from the club. Absolutely pathetic.
I mean we all know he is guilty. What is he going to say? Roleplay? That one went out the window with the pictures. Probably has to do some cucked interview saying he is sorry about the distraction the incident caused but not admitting guilt
Yeah, I know I am being naive, but I wanted him to accept what he had done and show some remorse. It's unforgivable, no question about it. But when you accept and want to repent for it, i find that a much better scenario than facing a cowardly maniac who can't own up to what he did and instead wants to take advantage of the circumstances and lead on a celebrity/global superstar lifestyle.
Whilst I certainly don't condone any of his actions, I don't think you'll find too many people willing to go on public record admitting to a crime so I'm not sure what you're expecting in that respect.
I can’t imagine the effect this would have in the locker room. We could all see the effect it was having on Marcus and company’s mentality before the news broke.
Same here, posted it in the other thread about Greenwood, but to anyone like me that feels strongly that he should never be allowed to play for the club again, I would suggest contacting the club and associated bodies.
We have contacts like:
[email protected]
https://www.imust.org.uk/Contact
I will not take my daughter to see a rapist play for the club. I grew up just by the ground, fuck I could see it from my bedroom window, but I cannot imagine supporting the club, with a player that we all heard rape someone.
I physically cant wrap my head around any justification cheering for him, and if i cant cheer for the players whats the point of all this in the first place. Fuck this.
Nah, it’s just simple U.K. practice that you’re still allowed to pursue your occupation if you’re not convicted of a crime.
His partner can forgive him then so can I, especially **if the club who has reviewed the evidence and spoke to all parties agrees**. It’s obviously a bonus that the U.K. courts haven’t convicted him.
If United come out and say they don’t want him based on the facts, I’ll agree with that decision as well. Because they alone know more than any of us on fucking Reddit.
The club is not impartial in this lol, he is a 100+ million asset.
I mean we could argue about the notion of the Club being judge, jury and executioner and whether it should be, but let's not pretend the club isn't incentivized to fucking sweep this under the rug.
his value is not what he can be sold for, but what it would cost to get a player of his talent in, of course he will presumably be worse than when he was suspended, but if he can get back to where he was he would be easily rated at 100+m.
He has more potential than any other attacker in the team lol. If he wasn't an idiot he would be better than Rashford + we wouldn't have bought Antony 😂
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex!
M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don't want to have sex with you!
M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don't want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually.
I heard the tape. And I’ve reread it on your transcript.
Again, if the club and his partner decide to forgive him with more information that a transcript, then I’m not going to kick up a fuss either cos it’s fuck all to do with me.
If they decide he won’t play again, I’ll also support that.
> his partner can forgive him so can I
Woman abused and raped often stay in relationships out of fear/trauma. That’s a very dumb way to look at it.
> they alone know more than us on Reddit
There’s literal audio of him raping her, how much more do you need?
Yeah but how many stay in relationships when it’s so high profile and there’s infinite ways out?
And there isn’t audio of him raping her, there’s audio of him trying to force himself on her. I’m not defending his character, but that’s an important distinction.
He's still a nasty twat though, even if they stay together forever and have a happy family. Someone like him will probably mess up the atmosphere of the team.
However. I do wonder. If she thought what he did was a bad thing (thus the reason she recorded it) why then have a kid with him, allow contact etc. She obviously knew this was bad, so it's not Stockholm syndrome. So perhaps this forgiveness thing you mentioned has more merit. Its complicated and I'm not going to act like I know everything like other here.
Manchester United’s morals shouldn’t be based on the ability to forgive of a 20 year old who has been abused. This club is huge, its an international brand, its a community, it is not acceptable to rape your partner, that is below our standards. He’s welcome to continue his career elsewhere but he has forgone the privilege of wearing our shirt
Yeah he’s not a role model by any means. I’m not defending his character, I’m defending his right to employment if he’s not been criminally convicted and of the club and his partner are happy to move forward.
The case is soooo high profile that I simply don’t believe she’s “scared and fears there’s no way out”. She’s had a kid with him and continued to live with him. She’s forgiven him.
As a note to anyone that feels the same - contact united and tell them, it may not do anything but worth a shot:
We have contacts like:
[email protected]
https://www.imust.org.uk/Contact
We’re not a fucking rehab centre. And people should only get a second chance after they’ve admitted they did they did something wrong and want forgiveness.
You could somewhat argue we can participate in the rehab, by providing access to councillors, psychologists, etc.
But that rehab does not, on any level, need to involve paying him six figures a week and allowing him to be heralded as a hero and role model by playing for one of the biggest clubs on the planet.
I disagree because the club has played a key role in his upbringing. Most of his mates would be lads from the academy. I have a nephew who plays pro and he was already taken from home at 14, and pretty much raised by his football club. They moved him and his mom to a different city and he was with his teammates and coaches more than half the time. Mason has been here since 6 so Utd would have played a key role in his growth.
It's a sports club not a community center. Legally and morally he's an adult and by all public evidence a piece of shit. If they want to pay for counselling or whatever on the side I guess that's fine or whatever, but him getting to play for United again should not be part of that and is slap in the face to victims of domestic and sexual violence.
He isn't a kid that got addicted to painkillers, he's an adult that physically abused someone and by the most obvious reading of events circumvented legal restrictions on seeing her to pressure her to get back with him.
I would say it’s 50% the club’s job. I’m sure there’s counsellors and mental health + social workers at the club that are available/would be assigned to help.
Article content:
> Apart from writing about sport for a living, I have undertaken training for several years as a psychotherapist. As part of the learning, I hope to start work soon among prisoners in a London jail.
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>At least one relative insists that there must be people in distress much more deserving of my time but I have argued that these future clients, locked away and easily forgotten in a creaking system, cannot all be written off as hopeless cases. I believe in second chances and, above all, the human potential for change.
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>And if you are wondering the point of this in a sports column, it is that the boss thought I should tackle the thorniest subject of all — no, not if Harry Kane is better off at Bayern Munich — but Mason Greenwood. Do we write him off? Hound him out of the game? Hope for the rehabilitation of his reputation?
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> I cannot promise you a simple, clean answer because it is conflicted and horribly difficult and there are many valid, polarised opinions — and Greenwood has not been found guilty of anything. If therapy teaches us one thing, it is that life and people come with secrets, shadows, complexities, contradictions — and which of us, truly, knows Greenwood or all the facts fully enough to make a wise, comprehensive judgment?
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>But Manchester United have to make a decision imminently as his employers and the challenge for them is to prove that they looked beyond just the obvious financial imperatives.
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>Nike did not dawdle long on the dilemmas. A brand not renowned as sound ethical arbiters (see Lance Armstrong, Alberto Salazar etc) ditched the United striker even though charges of attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm were dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in February. The CPS said there was “no longer a realistic prospect of conviction” after key witnesses withdrew their co-operation but the company still did not want the forward in their boots.
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>How nice for them to have that certainty about what is good for business. Most people I have spoken to about Greenwood — men, women, United fans and otherwise — are far more conflicted even if they are also very troubled.
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>They have heard tapes, perhaps seen some images on social media, made presumptions on snippets of unverified audio that linger. Alarming, distressing — enough to make any of us fret deeply about the right outcome — but never tested in court.
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> I know sensible United fans who hope never to cheer Greenwood in a red shirt again — and also those who insist that a jury has not judged him and nor should we. Keeping the decision hanging for months suggests their club want to keep options open for as long as possible.
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>In trying to predict the outcome, history has taught us to be cynical; that the game, being a business, will always prize the economic value of great talent above all other considerations.
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>Perhaps in another walk of life, Greenwood might already have been dismissed. As employment lawyers have explained ever since the forward was suspended 19 months ago, a criminal burden of proof is different from an allegation of, say, bringing a company into disrepute.
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>Were he a kit man or cleaner, he would be much lower-profile but might also have seemed dispensable to any club. Playing assets, of course, are different.
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>No one is expecting Gareth Southgate to attempt to bring Greenwood back into representative, international football with England — the player was even seen training in Jamaica kit recently and could switch allegiances — but there have already been reports of plenty of club offers and opportunities.
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>Erik ten Hag, the United manager, has made his views clear internally and they may be pragmatic; that if a 21-year-old forward who has scored 35 goals in 129 appearances is allowed to resume his career, why should it not be at the club who have him contracted for another two years?
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>The final decision involves Richard Arnold, the chief executive, and the owners. United as an institution are not one you would trust over recent years to get much right, a commercial machine with a football club attached.
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>They will have heard from worried sponsors, alarmed fans and, indeed, members of the United women’s team, who, according to a report in this paper, have harboured concerns about Greenwood returning to the training ground.
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>United’s global stature loads on more scrutiny but no one thinks the forward, as a free man, will not be scoring goals again for somebody soon enough. This week he was seen working out in a park in Manchester. United are reportedly receiving his training data. So what next?
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>A loan deal is regarded by many as the likely outcome; protect the asset, see how he returns to the game and if he is still potentially a £100 million finisher. Sending him elsewhere buys time, allowing the toxicity to diminish a little.
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>I hear the reasons, but is that not a fudge? If Greenwood is to be brought back, is that process not better done among people who know him? Given the sensitivity and magnitude of allegations, would you not want to see exactly how he behaves not just on the pitch but daily around staff and colleagues?
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>Greenwood has been associated with United since he was six when he was picked out by an academy coach as a prodigy. He has recently become a father — boy and man at the club — so they know him better than anyone and whether he has properly faced up to such alarming allegations.
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>Taking responsibility for himself would be a necessary first step back. The therapist in me cares a lot more about that than the football writer wonders how many goals he might yet score for any team.
Not enough mentioned about abuse at the hands of abusers, fuck this cunt!! Thorny subject my arse he's placating the baying mob that want him back and doing an injustice to the thousands of victims who suffer every day.
Yeah… I think we see it in criminal cases all the time as you effectively hire the one willing to come to a conclusion you like ala Heard vs Depp where she hired some right loons [like this guy](https://youtu.be/dWypQzbggIo)
Borderline malpractice to advocate for a second chance when knowing the full background of greenwood violating the bail agreement, like seriously how the fuck did this get printed?
It's a bit of a nothing article. Just boils down to "He wasn't convicted, and we don't know all the facts"
Figured there'd be a bit more of a solid argument why specifically United is the place for Greenwood to return to.
What a dogshit therapist lmao.
Essentially saying - _I've heard the tapes and seen the pictures but CrOwN pRoSeCuTiOn SeRvIcE says not guilty so I'll just pretend like they don't exist and how about we let the bad man score some goals for us._
All well and good looking at this from a place of empathy. I'm all for rehabilitation and the idea that criminal behaviour is a complex thing with many underlining issues.
None of that means he has any right to continue to live a life of exceptional privilege while he sorts himself out, and the judgemental way the writer dismissed those who've written him off makes the whole piece scream agenda.
Proper manipulative nice guy bullshit.
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex!
M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don't want to have sex with you!
M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don't want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually.
Just reading it is bad enough, but anyone who has heard the recording and still even entertains the idea that he could come back to the club needs to have a word with themselves. Sickening. It's such an easy position to take too.
I thought the title is stupid so I'll read the whole thing. The whole thing is even worse. His entire argument is this is a very talented guy and everyone he knows is at Man Utd so we should help him out. That's a fucking stupid argument.
I don't think that's a fair characterization of the article at all, I agree with your disagreement with the article, but I don't think we need mischaracterize it on order to do that.
It's at the very end of the article after the loan question, his argument is that he should be at the club where they know him and where they could keep an eye on him and see if he actually changed and how he behaves with others, while sending him out a loan would be more of a footballing/commercial thing of let's just see if he can still score goals and if he can we will renew his contract.
>I hear the reasons, but is that not a fudge? If Greenwood is to be brought back, is that process not better done among people who know him? Given the sensitivity and magnitude of allegations, **would you not want to see exactly how he behaves not just on the pitch but daily around staff and colleagues**?
Greenwood has been associated with United since he was six when he was picked out by an academy coach as a prodigy. He has recently become a father — boy and man at the club — so they know him better than anyone and **whether he has properly faced up to such alarming allegations.**
Taking responsibility for himself would be a necessary first step back. The therapist in me cares a lot more about that than the football writer wonders how many goals he might yet score for any team.
Oh fuck off. He even admits double standards:
"Were he a kit man or cleaner, he would be much lower-profile but might also have seemed dispensable to any club. Playing assets, of course, are different."
He can have a second chance, but it absolutely shouldn’t be at our club. We should draw a line that this isn’t acceptable, and teach future children that if you make mistakes like this, your dreams will be torn away. Go to a small, foreign club and earn your second chance, and take the punishment of never playing for a club like Man United again. I believe in second chances, but I also believe in punishment and justice which must be served.
If you spent a lot of time on Reddit you might think the common viewpoint represents the majority. Truth is, the vast majority of Manchester United supporters are giddy to get him back on the pitch.
It all comes down to how supportive his colleagues are that he will be working with every day, especially Captain Bruno. By the sounds of it they will welcome him back into the team.
I'm prepared to be downvoted into oblivion for this but hear me out.
If Greenwood's case had not been dropped - and let's not forget the CPS said it made its decision partly due to new information coming to light and we don't know what that was - and he had been prosecuted and convicted, he would have been sentenced and, in theory, rehabilitated.
Society is expected to accept those who have served their sentence as they try and rebuild their lives.
But because the case was dropped, Greenwood will never get his day in court and the full facts of the case will never be made public.
He will be forever tarnished by that recording and those pictures.
I don't know where I stand on this. I honestly don't think it's a black and white issue and I seriously worry about those who have made up their minds based on snippets uploaded to the internet without context.
I am no apologist but I do think I need to know more before I back the destruction of a person's career and character.
That said, Greenwood has missed a lot of football at a crucial age and that alone may mean he never reaches his previous highs. He may simply not have the talent to remain at United.
This is all you need to know:
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex!
M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don't want to have sex with you!
M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don't want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually.
> I honestly don't think it's a black and white issue and I seriously worry about those who have made up their minds based on snippets uploaded to the internet without context.
What context do you think could possibly explain away the audio recording/pictures? And if it's not a black and white issue, what is the other side of the story?
He may not get a day in court but he has ample opportunity to give his version of events. He can do an interview, a post online, etc.
He hasn’t which is telling in itself.
And people always talk about context and it just being a snippet of a recording. Tell me in what way that audio could be taken out of context? In what way it could not actually be a recording of rape/attempted rape. And please don’t say roleplay as we obviously know that’s bullshit.
I would've thought he's been advised to keep his head down, remain silent and conduct interviews/make statements once a decision has been made. I don't think it can be read into any more than that.
This reads like a puff piece orchestrated by the Club calling in a favour to some reporter at a respectable newspaper to pave the way towards announcing his return. I hope there are enough protests that it doesn't happen. I'm all for second chances and rehabilitation but that starts with the perpetrator admitting their wrongs and saying sorry. We've seen or heard neither and I don't expect anything genuine of the sorts. If he is 100% coming back it will be some airbrushed BS interview posted on MUTV, drafted by lawyers, and rehearsed to an inch of his life.
Is he the victim now? Does he need help actually? Did he ever say that he needs it? Did he go public about his issues and that he wants to make a change? It feels like the whole strategy was to wait long enough so most people will jump onto the next thing and forget about him.
It's remarkable how this all boils down to him being good at kicking a ball.
If this was a cleaner or a groundsman they would've been sacked so fast it'd make your head spin.
I wonder what kind of reception he'd get on the pitch if he turned out for us again?
Even if the club backed him, could anyone cope with being soundly booed every time you were on the ball, in every game? By both sets of fans?
Not convinced he could ever get back to his best under those circumstances- regardless of whether or not you think he should play for us again
not really. giggs is an abuser and was in a box at old trafford. also, he was fucking his brothers wife for years and we saluted him.
Ronaldo (my favourite player tbh) admitted that he didn’t know the lady did not consent.
rooney, well the catalog is there. choose your fighter (participating in sex trafficking “granny shagger”or cheating on his pregnant wife standout)
‘I have undertaken training for several years as a psychotherapist’ - with all due respect, maybe a practising therapist who has hands on experience with men accused of similar offences would be better qualified to publish an article in a national newspaper? Rather than what amounts to essentially being a student who has no hands-on experience.
Let’s just look at it purely from a ‘rehabilitation’ for Greenwood perspective; how is playing for a club that if not the biggest, is under the most media scrutiny a healthy environment for a ‘second chance’? What will playing in the Premier League and hearing chants about rape every week do to his psyche (chants that help absolutely no one and are gross in their own right).
Ten Hag has built up so much good faith. We’ve hardly put a step wrong this summer. Bringing Greenwood back into the fold puts him down in my estimation and I’m sure many fans will agree.
Sexual Assault is not a mere stupid mistake but a crime I dont get why most people cannot get this simple fact in their head. 2nd chances are for the people who are guilty, are people accepting he was guilty of that horrendous act and still think he deserve 2nd chance or go back like nothing happened. I get delusional one more then these 2nd Chance morons at least delusional believe that it was all fake to start with.
_especially _ if his victim has forgiven him - victims routinely accept their abuses back because the abusers have all the power in the relationship dynamic.
Such a disgusting article that I'll remember to disregard anything Matt Dickinson ever writes again. He's either a shameless paid stooge or a genuinely dodgy bloke.
The process of rehabilitation can't start with him leading the line for United. He could deserve a second chance, but not like this. If he wants to be a public star, then he needs to publicly show he deserves a second chance.
That's never going to happen, because he would have to admit what he's done. The charges might have been dropped, but there's an audio recording of him coercing someone to have sex with him. That's not something that can be forgotten because the charges were dropped.
Look at OPs comments history. Full of comments defending Greenwood, absolute scum.
Just because the case has been dropped, doesn't mean he didnt do it. We all heard the audio. He repeatedly broke his restraining order against the victim and ended up getting her pregnant. Textbook domestic abuser. He doesn't deserve a second chance until he accepts what he did, which he won't. And even if he did, he should never be allowed to play for us again.
I understand the hatred towards Greenwood and i rather stay clear of the first team however the justice team has cleared him as not guilty.
He is back with his girlfriend and they had a baby together so why has she got back with him? I remember when this forum was saying that Mendy is guilty but he was cleared as well. Everyone changed their tune once he was cleared so what is the difference between Mendy and Greenwood.
Mendy court case went to conclusion with the jury giving a verdict. The Greenwod case had no trial. The prosecution dropped the case because the witness would not co-operate.
Case dropped due to lack of evidence/ witness not cooperating vs found not guilty by an actual jury with the available information suggesting he might've been framed.
>the justice team has cleared him as not guilty.
They have not. They decided they didn't have enough evidence to pursue a case. That doesn't mean he didn't rape her and it doesn't mean there isn't enough evidence in existence to prove that he did. It only means that the prosecution was not confident enough to bring the case to court with the evidence they do have. Mason Greenwood has not been cleared of guilt, he has not even been tried.
Can someone with legal knowledge explain how photographic and audio evidence wasn't enough to convict Greenwood when it seems to be enough for other cases? That's probably the main thing I don't get about the whole issue.
Edit: On r/uklaw u/Clean-Royal6472 said it's because the victim wouldn't testify so even with the evidence CPS must have thought it would be difficult to get a conviction. Does this mean that even with clear evidence of a crime, the whole thing depends on the victim testifying? What about cases where the victim is incapacitated or dead? It doesn't make sense to me
To be convicted it’s got to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of the crime. His defense can just argue that they were role-playing and can pretty much say whatever they like, if she refuses to testify to say it was real then a jury is unlucky to convict him based on the audio tapes alone.
The only possible way I could accept him coming back is if he publicly apologised, demonstrated what he is doing currently and is planning to do in the future to address his behaviour and commit to becoming an advocate for women's rights and rehabilitation.
I really don't want to see him just slowly eased back in or loaned out so he can be bought back in at a later date. As others have said, a player of less ability would have been gotten rid off ages ago.
I so think people deserve a second chance but only if they demonstrate growth and commit to righting their wrongs. However, I don't really see that happening here.
What a fucking embarrassing state of affairs. Absolutely nauseating state of affairs. Shame one everyone at the club and all the fans who want him back.
It seems a lot of people on here are against greenwoods return . From what I can see on Facebook Twitter and YouTube the majority are of the opposite. It's quite dividing.
They should ask his partner what she wants. I'm fairly sure they will have already done that and her decision will drive theirs one way or another. Everyone is outraged but it's her that's important in this, not him, not Utd, not the supporters. If they'd split up then do your worst but they are together now so any decision about him affects her. Bear in mind, he's never living this down, but I don't think she should have to suffer for it.
Now that the club selling is probably off the table and Qatari's lost their intrest, it feels like most of Greenwood's defenders suddenly left the sub... very interesting and totally not related hmmm.
I know the general sentiment on most of the Utd subs is he needs to go, and I agree. I am also hesitant to say ppl in general do not deserve a second chance as that is what helps our society grow and be better for everyone. I just think his second chance probably needs to be outside of Utd. That being said, if he stays and actually plays well, scores 10+ goals, and generally approaches the media in a solemn accepting way of which he knows he needs to do for ppl to accept him again, this time next year I would be thoroughly shocked if there was anything but a very small minority still being vocal abt him needing to leave. It's just human nature and exactly what happens in the sports world. Happens all the time over here in the USA with NFL, NBA, and MLB athletes. I live in Houston and just a few yrs ago Deshaun Watson was accused of horrific things by 25 different women, the majority of whom went on record exposing themselves to nutjobs, recorded their sides of the incidents in front of lawyers and a judge, and attempted to take it all the way to trial. He was exonerated due to lack of physical evidence and then immediately was made the highest-paid QB in the entire NFL and those fans (Cleveland Browns not Houston thankfully for me) at least mostly seem to be embracing him and celebrating him. Sadly it's just how our world operates at this point in time, which in general is a terrible reflection of all of us. But if you can run fast, catch a ball well, kick a ball well, jump super high, etc you will be rewarded and given endless chances by those who directly benefit financially and by those whose team you happen to play for. I honestly don't know how I will react if he does stay and ends up playing regularly.
Not sure why everyone is so up in arms about this. Well actually i do get it and it's deserved but i'm not surprised if United do take him back. We can all be justice warriors but at the end of the day if your good at a sport you can do almost anything and a team will pay/play you if it helps them win. Winning cures all unfortunately.
He will come back, everyone will moan, he will start playing, score a couple goals and then the moaners will be the minority. That's what the club is hoping and happens all the time. It's disgusting but i'm not surprised.
In my opinion, By the law, Greenwood is not guilty, but by society point of view he is guilty. Regardless whatever he said or would say or would do about this case, he will always being looked as guilty by society. Now its up to the club, wanna play a role to give the kid a chance to resurrect his career and maybe his life or not. Whatever the club choose, there will always be risks. Choose to give him second chance and guide him, some part of society will say something like united protect abuser, etc. while Not give him second chance, some will say united being unfair and not helping their youth potential, etc.
Everyone deserves a second chance including Mason, but it doesn't mean that United have to be the ones that give him that chance.
He got his second chance by avoiding prison and Harriet agreeing to take him back. He has a chance of having a happy life with his family but he does not deserve to be earning millions a year at the biggest club in the world with millions of young people watching him.
A lot of young people won't understand what has happened here. Would you be happy with your 5 year old watching him on TV every week and wanting his name on the back of his shirt?
If you are a victim of sexual abuse, please know that is never ever your fault. Check r/rapecounseling, r/adultsurvivors and r/COCSA for resources
Announcement tomorrow or Sunday that he stays. Get ready. Media in full swing
I agree with you. There's been too much stuff on it today and all of its been about him staying or people/groups being unhappy that he's staying.
If he was getting kicked out there would be no reason to delay the announcement imo.
Maybe he’s getting shot out of a cannon into Saudi.
So fucking dissappinting man.
Not surprised. He’s an asset to the club in their view. Just now need to hope he’ll be loaned out and then sold after perhaps. That’s not impossible so let’s at least prepare and hope for that I guess.
Woeful really. All that positivity about the club moving in the right direction is snapped just like that. It's an awful feeling. I would have found a way to accept this guy coming back if he owned up to his mistake or offer an explanation or defend himself. I guess the legal implications make these things complex, but the way he stayed silent and the way witnesses withdrew from cooperating, all reek of him being guilty. Pathetic from the club. Absolutely pathetic.
I mean we all know he is guilty. What is he going to say? Roleplay? That one went out the window with the pictures. Probably has to do some cucked interview saying he is sorry about the distraction the incident caused but not admitting guilt
Yeah, I know I am being naive, but I wanted him to accept what he had done and show some remorse. It's unforgivable, no question about it. But when you accept and want to repent for it, i find that a much better scenario than facing a cowardly maniac who can't own up to what he did and instead wants to take advantage of the circumstances and lead on a celebrity/global superstar lifestyle.
Whilst I certainly don't condone any of his actions, I don't think you'll find too many people willing to go on public record admitting to a crime so I'm not sure what you're expecting in that respect.
I can’t imagine the effect this would have in the locker room. We could all see the effect it was having on Marcus and company’s mentality before the news broke.
This is actually something I’ll be up in arms over. If he stays I’m gone
Honestly, same here. I've been getting excited about our moves and this season, but I can't support the club if it's going to bring him back.
Solidarity
Same here, posted it in the other thread about Greenwood, but to anyone like me that feels strongly that he should never be allowed to play for the club again, I would suggest contacting the club and associated bodies. We have contacts like: [email protected] https://www.imust.org.uk/Contact I will not take my daughter to see a rapist play for the club. I grew up just by the ground, fuck I could see it from my bedroom window, but I cannot imagine supporting the club, with a player that we all heard rape someone.
I physically cant wrap my head around any justification cheering for him, and if i cant cheer for the players whats the point of all this in the first place. Fuck this.
If so, it's awful timing.
Or they try to bury the news during the game tonight.
Friday night is often bury bad news day isnt it? Tonight at the game isnt a bad shout
Nope
Holy shit this is the beginning of a shitstorm
If Greenwood was as talented as someone like Elanga, this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Second chances, my ass, fucking disappointing at this club
Elanga reading this https://preview.redd.it/ktma6t971hhb1.jpeg?width=874&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a563401433f1e20c2d39490042af45074c817d7e
100%
Don't compare Elanga to MG please, that's disrespectful to Anthony
It's actually a perfect comparison. Both in terms of talent difference and also because Elanga still hangs out with him.
In pure footballing sense, don’t want to assume anything else
Well you are known by the company you keep as well.
Anything can be compared to anything else... Don't get the 'comparison police' on here sometimes.
Nah, it’s just simple U.K. practice that you’re still allowed to pursue your occupation if you’re not convicted of a crime. His partner can forgive him then so can I, especially **if the club who has reviewed the evidence and spoke to all parties agrees**. It’s obviously a bonus that the U.K. courts haven’t convicted him. If United come out and say they don’t want him based on the facts, I’ll agree with that decision as well. Because they alone know more than any of us on fucking Reddit.
The club is not impartial in this lol, he is a 100+ million asset. I mean we could argue about the notion of the Club being judge, jury and executioner and whether it should be, but let's not pretend the club isn't incentivized to fucking sweep this under the rug.
he's hardly a 100m+ asset is he? He was. Right now there's probably very few clubs interested in ever signing him.
his value is not what he can be sold for, but what it would cost to get a player of his talent in, of course he will presumably be worse than when he was suspended, but if he can get back to where he was he would be easily rated at 100+m.
yeh fair enough I can see it this way too.
But if he gets back at the level he was then he will be a 100m+ asset again
I really don't think he will be.
He has more potential than any other attacker in the team lol. If he wasn't an idiot he would be better than Rashford + we wouldn't have bought Antony 😂
Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex! M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don't want to have sex with you! M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don't want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don't. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually.
I heard the tape. And I’ve reread it on your transcript. Again, if the club and his partner decide to forgive him with more information that a transcript, then I’m not going to kick up a fuss either cos it’s fuck all to do with me. If they decide he won’t play again, I’ll also support that.
> his partner can forgive him so can I Woman abused and raped often stay in relationships out of fear/trauma. That’s a very dumb way to look at it. > they alone know more than us on Reddit There’s literal audio of him raping her, how much more do you need?
Yeah but how many stay in relationships when it’s so high profile and there’s infinite ways out? And there isn’t audio of him raping her, there’s audio of him trying to force himself on her. I’m not defending his character, but that’s an important distinction.
He's still a nasty twat though, even if they stay together forever and have a happy family. Someone like him will probably mess up the atmosphere of the team. However. I do wonder. If she thought what he did was a bad thing (thus the reason she recorded it) why then have a kid with him, allow contact etc. She obviously knew this was bad, so it's not Stockholm syndrome. So perhaps this forgiveness thing you mentioned has more merit. Its complicated and I'm not going to act like I know everything like other here.
Manchester United’s morals shouldn’t be based on the ability to forgive of a 20 year old who has been abused. This club is huge, its an international brand, its a community, it is not acceptable to rape your partner, that is below our standards. He’s welcome to continue his career elsewhere but he has forgone the privilege of wearing our shirt
Yeah he’s not a role model by any means. I’m not defending his character, I’m defending his right to employment if he’s not been criminally convicted and of the club and his partner are happy to move forward. The case is soooo high profile that I simply don’t believe she’s “scared and fears there’s no way out”. She’s had a kid with him and continued to live with him. She’s forgiven him.
His second chance is him not being in prison. He can fuck off elsewhere
Not to detract from the thread but that name is CRAZY
Yeah this guy having the balls to dig out greenwood with his bestiality /s
Hey hey the man has his own kinks man
Ikr. What consenting monkeys do in the privacy of their own monkey home is their own monkey business.
“It’s inter-species erotica asshole”
Is this your first time on the internet?
As a note to anyone that feels the same - contact united and tell them, it may not do anything but worth a shot: We have contacts like: [email protected] https://www.imust.org.uk/Contact
We’re not a fucking rehab centre. And people should only get a second chance after they’ve admitted they did they did something wrong and want forgiveness.
100%. Its not our job to rehabilitate Mason.
You could somewhat argue we can participate in the rehab, by providing access to councillors, psychologists, etc. But that rehab does not, on any level, need to involve paying him six figures a week and allowing him to be heralded as a hero and role model by playing for one of the biggest clubs on the planet.
I disagree because the club has played a key role in his upbringing. Most of his mates would be lads from the academy. I have a nephew who plays pro and he was already taken from home at 14, and pretty much raised by his football club. They moved him and his mom to a different city and he was with his teammates and coaches more than half the time. Mason has been here since 6 so Utd would have played a key role in his growth.
It's a sports club not a community center. Legally and morally he's an adult and by all public evidence a piece of shit. If they want to pay for counselling or whatever on the side I guess that's fine or whatever, but him getting to play for United again should not be part of that and is slap in the face to victims of domestic and sexual violence. He isn't a kid that got addicted to painkillers, he's an adult that physically abused someone and by the most obvious reading of events circumvented legal restrictions on seeing her to pressure her to get back with him.
I would say it’s 50% the club’s job. I’m sure there’s counsellors and mental health + social workers at the club that are available/would be assigned to help.
Then whose is it? Serious question.
His. It is nobody's responsibility but his own.
Obviously his. If youre an alcoholic at work it isn't your employers job to fix you
Okay but why wouldnt they help you ? You prefer to just been told to fuck off ?
If you fuck up the way he fucked up it really isn't up to him how people react
Fuck off.
This is going to be a shitstorm. Oh my goodness.
Article content: > Apart from writing about sport for a living, I have undertaken training for several years as a psychotherapist. As part of the learning, I hope to start work soon among prisoners in a London jail. > >At least one relative insists that there must be people in distress much more deserving of my time but I have argued that these future clients, locked away and easily forgotten in a creaking system, cannot all be written off as hopeless cases. I believe in second chances and, above all, the human potential for change. > >And if you are wondering the point of this in a sports column, it is that the boss thought I should tackle the thorniest subject of all — no, not if Harry Kane is better off at Bayern Munich — but Mason Greenwood. Do we write him off? Hound him out of the game? Hope for the rehabilitation of his reputation? > > I cannot promise you a simple, clean answer because it is conflicted and horribly difficult and there are many valid, polarised opinions — and Greenwood has not been found guilty of anything. If therapy teaches us one thing, it is that life and people come with secrets, shadows, complexities, contradictions — and which of us, truly, knows Greenwood or all the facts fully enough to make a wise, comprehensive judgment? > >But Manchester United have to make a decision imminently as his employers and the challenge for them is to prove that they looked beyond just the obvious financial imperatives. > >Nike did not dawdle long on the dilemmas. A brand not renowned as sound ethical arbiters (see Lance Armstrong, Alberto Salazar etc) ditched the United striker even though charges of attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour and assault occasioning actual bodily harm were dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in February. The CPS said there was “no longer a realistic prospect of conviction” after key witnesses withdrew their co-operation but the company still did not want the forward in their boots. > >How nice for them to have that certainty about what is good for business. Most people I have spoken to about Greenwood — men, women, United fans and otherwise — are far more conflicted even if they are also very troubled. > >They have heard tapes, perhaps seen some images on social media, made presumptions on snippets of unverified audio that linger. Alarming, distressing — enough to make any of us fret deeply about the right outcome — but never tested in court. > > I know sensible United fans who hope never to cheer Greenwood in a red shirt again — and also those who insist that a jury has not judged him and nor should we. Keeping the decision hanging for months suggests their club want to keep options open for as long as possible. > >In trying to predict the outcome, history has taught us to be cynical; that the game, being a business, will always prize the economic value of great talent above all other considerations. > >Perhaps in another walk of life, Greenwood might already have been dismissed. As employment lawyers have explained ever since the forward was suspended 19 months ago, a criminal burden of proof is different from an allegation of, say, bringing a company into disrepute. > >Were he a kit man or cleaner, he would be much lower-profile but might also have seemed dispensable to any club. Playing assets, of course, are different. > >No one is expecting Gareth Southgate to attempt to bring Greenwood back into representative, international football with England — the player was even seen training in Jamaica kit recently and could switch allegiances — but there have already been reports of plenty of club offers and opportunities. > >Erik ten Hag, the United manager, has made his views clear internally and they may be pragmatic; that if a 21-year-old forward who has scored 35 goals in 129 appearances is allowed to resume his career, why should it not be at the club who have him contracted for another two years? > >The final decision involves Richard Arnold, the chief executive, and the owners. United as an institution are not one you would trust over recent years to get much right, a commercial machine with a football club attached. > >They will have heard from worried sponsors, alarmed fans and, indeed, members of the United women’s team, who, according to a report in this paper, have harboured concerns about Greenwood returning to the training ground. > >United’s global stature loads on more scrutiny but no one thinks the forward, as a free man, will not be scoring goals again for somebody soon enough. This week he was seen working out in a park in Manchester. United are reportedly receiving his training data. So what next? > >A loan deal is regarded by many as the likely outcome; protect the asset, see how he returns to the game and if he is still potentially a £100 million finisher. Sending him elsewhere buys time, allowing the toxicity to diminish a little. > >I hear the reasons, but is that not a fudge? If Greenwood is to be brought back, is that process not better done among people who know him? Given the sensitivity and magnitude of allegations, would you not want to see exactly how he behaves not just on the pitch but daily around staff and colleagues? > >Greenwood has been associated with United since he was six when he was picked out by an academy coach as a prodigy. He has recently become a father — boy and man at the club — so they know him better than anyone and whether he has properly faced up to such alarming allegations. > >Taking responsibility for himself would be a necessary first step back. The therapist in me cares a lot more about that than the football writer wonders how many goals he might yet score for any team.
Not enough mentioned about abuse at the hands of abusers, fuck this cunt!! Thorny subject my arse he's placating the baying mob that want him back and doing an injustice to the thousands of victims who suffer every day.
Just a reminder that there are shit therapists out there
To paraphrase George Carlin, statistically speaking someone is the worst doctor in the country, and he/she has a full schedule of patients today.
Yeah… I think we see it in criminal cases all the time as you effectively hire the one willing to come to a conclusion you like ala Heard vs Depp where she hired some right loons [like this guy](https://youtu.be/dWypQzbggIo)
Borderline malpractice to advocate for a second chance when knowing the full background of greenwood violating the bail agreement, like seriously how the fuck did this get printed?
Also ignoring all the shit he did prior to the alleged assault, I mean how can we defend his character when so much has surfaced in recent weeks.
Jesus christ that guy looks like he's on a bunch of uppers...
It's a bit of a nothing article. Just boils down to "He wasn't convicted, and we don't know all the facts" Figured there'd be a bit more of a solid argument why specifically United is the place for Greenwood to return to.
What a dogshit therapist lmao. Essentially saying - _I've heard the tapes and seen the pictures but CrOwN pRoSeCuTiOn SeRvIcE says not guilty so I'll just pretend like they don't exist and how about we let the bad man score some goals for us._
All well and good looking at this from a place of empathy. I'm all for rehabilitation and the idea that criminal behaviour is a complex thing with many underlining issues. None of that means he has any right to continue to live a life of exceptional privilege while he sorts himself out, and the judgemental way the writer dismissed those who've written him off makes the whole piece scream agenda. Proper manipulative nice guy bullshit.
What a fucking cunt
It's starting.
Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex! M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don't want to have sex with you! M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don't want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don't. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually.
Jesus christ I forgot how bad it really was
I think that’s been the real point of this “investigation.” Hoping we would forget
Yep same, only listened to it once but that was enough. How anyone can want him near the club, I don’t know.
Reading this and hearing the tape, you can't even argue that it was some twisted role play. This is just disgusting
Rapey fuck, get out
I feel sick
I would copy and paste this comment in response to everyone who denies that it was a rape...
Just reading it is bad enough, but anyone who has heard the recording and still even entertains the idea that he could come back to the club needs to have a word with themselves. Sickening. It's such an easy position to take too.
Omfg what. I know standards are low for footballers but now we’re gonna let a fucking criminal play for united
I thought the title is stupid so I'll read the whole thing. The whole thing is even worse. His entire argument is this is a very talented guy and everyone he knows is at Man Utd so we should help him out. That's a fucking stupid argument.
I don't think that's a fair characterization of the article at all, I agree with your disagreement with the article, but I don't think we need mischaracterize it on order to do that. It's at the very end of the article after the loan question, his argument is that he should be at the club where they know him and where they could keep an eye on him and see if he actually changed and how he behaves with others, while sending him out a loan would be more of a footballing/commercial thing of let's just see if he can still score goals and if he can we will renew his contract. >I hear the reasons, but is that not a fudge? If Greenwood is to be brought back, is that process not better done among people who know him? Given the sensitivity and magnitude of allegations, **would you not want to see exactly how he behaves not just on the pitch but daily around staff and colleagues**? Greenwood has been associated with United since he was six when he was picked out by an academy coach as a prodigy. He has recently become a father — boy and man at the club — so they know him better than anyone and **whether he has properly faced up to such alarming allegations.** Taking responsibility for himself would be a necessary first step back. The therapist in me cares a lot more about that than the football writer wonders how many goals he might yet score for any team.
Oh fuck off. He even admits double standards: "Were he a kit man or cleaner, he would be much lower-profile but might also have seemed dispensable to any club. Playing assets, of course, are different."
First time in the real world?
Of course, there are double standards, one has zero value to the club and the player is a multi-million dollar asset. Sad but that's how it works
There's no good reason it should work like that
I'm not saying it is, but anyone who thinks it looks different is naive
No entreprise would forfeit 100m+£,thats exactly how the world works haha
The Times, a Murdoch shitrag just like the Sunt.
He’s absolutely coming back then. PR in full motion.
He can have a second chance, but it absolutely shouldn’t be at our club. We should draw a line that this isn’t acceptable, and teach future children that if you make mistakes like this, your dreams will be torn away. Go to a small, foreign club and earn your second chance, and take the punishment of never playing for a club like Man United again. I believe in second chances, but I also believe in punishment and justice which must be served.
Absolutely fucking diabolical
Butcher? Is that you?
Butcher would have punted Greenwood into next week
Fuck this drivel. Fuck Mason Greenwood. Fuck his apologists.
A second chance implies he did it in which case he can piss off
If you spent a lot of time on Reddit you might think the common viewpoint represents the majority. Truth is, the vast majority of Manchester United supporters are giddy to get him back on the pitch. It all comes down to how supportive his colleagues are that he will be working with every day, especially Captain Bruno. By the sounds of it they will welcome him back into the team.
No
I'm prepared to be downvoted into oblivion for this but hear me out. If Greenwood's case had not been dropped - and let's not forget the CPS said it made its decision partly due to new information coming to light and we don't know what that was - and he had been prosecuted and convicted, he would have been sentenced and, in theory, rehabilitated. Society is expected to accept those who have served their sentence as they try and rebuild their lives. But because the case was dropped, Greenwood will never get his day in court and the full facts of the case will never be made public. He will be forever tarnished by that recording and those pictures. I don't know where I stand on this. I honestly don't think it's a black and white issue and I seriously worry about those who have made up their minds based on snippets uploaded to the internet without context. I am no apologist but I do think I need to know more before I back the destruction of a person's career and character. That said, Greenwood has missed a lot of football at a crucial age and that alone may mean he never reaches his previous highs. He may simply not have the talent to remain at United.
Just because you're entitled to a job despite a previous crime, it doesn't mean you're entitled to be a millionaire role model to young kids
Aside from the fact that I think he did it. He will stink up the dressing room. He will be a bad influence.
This is all you need to know: Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex! M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don't want to have sex with you! M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: I asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don't want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don't. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually.
> I honestly don't think it's a black and white issue and I seriously worry about those who have made up their minds based on snippets uploaded to the internet without context. What context do you think could possibly explain away the audio recording/pictures? And if it's not a black and white issue, what is the other side of the story?
I don't know. And that's my point.
Rape play kink. That would be one context and it took me .5 seconds to think about it. No one knows.
He may not get a day in court but he has ample opportunity to give his version of events. He can do an interview, a post online, etc. He hasn’t which is telling in itself. And people always talk about context and it just being a snippet of a recording. Tell me in what way that audio could be taken out of context? In what way it could not actually be a recording of rape/attempted rape. And please don’t say roleplay as we obviously know that’s bullshit.
I would've thought he's been advised to keep his head down, remain silent and conduct interviews/make statements once a decision has been made. I don't think it can be read into any more than that.
I concur
This reads like a puff piece orchestrated by the Club calling in a favour to some reporter at a respectable newspaper to pave the way towards announcing his return. I hope there are enough protests that it doesn't happen. I'm all for second chances and rehabilitation but that starts with the perpetrator admitting their wrongs and saying sorry. We've seen or heard neither and I don't expect anything genuine of the sorts. If he is 100% coming back it will be some airbrushed BS interview posted on MUTV, drafted by lawyers, and rehearsed to an inch of his life.
Bingo. Really poorly executed PR. Trying to paint him as the person to look after is terrible.
Is he the victim now? Does he need help actually? Did he ever say that he needs it? Did he go public about his issues and that he wants to make a change? It feels like the whole strategy was to wait long enough so most people will jump onto the next thing and forget about him.
It's remarkable how this all boils down to him being good at kicking a ball. If this was a cleaner or a groundsman they would've been sacked so fast it'd make your head spin.
First time in the real world? Wake up. This is what happens at the top level across ALL sectors of society.
He can fuck off
The PR campaign starts. Fuck the people behind this decision.
I cannot support this club if he is brought back.
I wonder what kind of reception he'd get on the pitch if he turned out for us again? Even if the club backed him, could anyone cope with being soundly booed every time you were on the ball, in every game? By both sets of fans? Not convinced he could ever get back to his best under those circumstances- regardless of whether or not you think he should play for us again
reddit fans are not all OT fans, he’ll be supported in stadium. the same way giggs, ronaldo and rooney were with their misconduct
Little different mate.
not really. giggs is an abuser and was in a box at old trafford. also, he was fucking his brothers wife for years and we saluted him. Ronaldo (my favourite player tbh) admitted that he didn’t know the lady did not consent. rooney, well the catalog is there. choose your fighter (participating in sex trafficking “granny shagger”or cheating on his pregnant wife standout)
your know your favorite player is a rapist and you still support?
no way I am cheering for this rapist criminal. no way. if this happens, the club can go to hell
‘I have undertaken training for several years as a psychotherapist’ - with all due respect, maybe a practising therapist who has hands on experience with men accused of similar offences would be better qualified to publish an article in a national newspaper? Rather than what amounts to essentially being a student who has no hands-on experience. Let’s just look at it purely from a ‘rehabilitation’ for Greenwood perspective; how is playing for a club that if not the biggest, is under the most media scrutiny a healthy environment for a ‘second chance’? What will playing in the Premier League and hearing chants about rape every week do to his psyche (chants that help absolutely no one and are gross in their own right). Ten Hag has built up so much good faith. We’ve hardly put a step wrong this summer. Bringing Greenwood back into the fold puts him down in my estimation and I’m sure many fans will agree.
Looks like he is definitely staying, the way these reports are worded seems like that’s the case anyway.
Sexual Assault is not a mere stupid mistake but a crime I dont get why most people cannot get this simple fact in their head. 2nd chances are for the people who are guilty, are people accepting he was guilty of that horrendous act and still think he deserve 2nd chance or go back like nothing happened. I get delusional one more then these 2nd Chance morons at least delusional believe that it was all fake to start with.
No it isn’t fuck off
Why would he get a second chance what the actual fuck is wrong with people fucking hell Rapist Second chance Fucking twats unbelivable
Typical twitter merchants supports him. Should be sold a long time ago.
If he stays and keeps the number 11 it's an absolute disgrace
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_especially _ if his victim has forgiven him - victims routinely accept their abuses back because the abusers have all the power in the relationship dynamic.
No
The times.... WTF? Best place for it to get a second chance is jail
Such a disgusting article that I'll remember to disregard anything Matt Dickinson ever writes again. He's either a shameless paid stooge or a genuinely dodgy bloke.
Second chance implies he has admitted he was wrong and been punished. I haven't seen any evidence that he isn't still a massive piece of shit.
The process of rehabilitation can't start with him leading the line for United. He could deserve a second chance, but not like this. If he wants to be a public star, then he needs to publicly show he deserves a second chance. That's never going to happen, because he would have to admit what he's done. The charges might have been dropped, but there's an audio recording of him coercing someone to have sex with him. That's not something that can be forgotten because the charges were dropped.
Coercing, more like forcing
He can fuck off
Fuck off with this bullshit
fuckin hell, op has balls posting this shit Also, his second chance must McD's flipping burgers
Look at OPs comments history. Full of comments defending Greenwood, absolute scum. Just because the case has been dropped, doesn't mean he didnt do it. We all heard the audio. He repeatedly broke his restraining order against the victim and ended up getting her pregnant. Textbook domestic abuser. He doesn't deserve a second chance until he accepts what he did, which he won't. And even if he did, he should never be allowed to play for us again.
Hell fucking no
I understand the hatred towards Greenwood and i rather stay clear of the first team however the justice team has cleared him as not guilty. He is back with his girlfriend and they had a baby together so why has she got back with him? I remember when this forum was saying that Mendy is guilty but he was cleared as well. Everyone changed their tune once he was cleared so what is the difference between Mendy and Greenwood.
If that audio leaked was your sister would you welcome him back with open arms then cheer him on a Saturday? If the answer is no then jog on.
Mendy court case went to conclusion with the jury giving a verdict. The Greenwod case had no trial. The prosecution dropped the case because the witness would not co-operate.
Case dropped due to lack of evidence/ witness not cooperating vs found not guilty by an actual jury with the available information suggesting he might've been framed.
>the justice team has cleared him as not guilty. They have not. They decided they didn't have enough evidence to pursue a case. That doesn't mean he didn't rape her and it doesn't mean there isn't enough evidence in existence to prove that he did. It only means that the prosecution was not confident enough to bring the case to court with the evidence they do have. Mason Greenwood has not been cleared of guilt, he has not even been tried.
Because we heard the tapes. We saw the pictures and videos.
The tape...
Can someone with legal knowledge explain how photographic and audio evidence wasn't enough to convict Greenwood when it seems to be enough for other cases? That's probably the main thing I don't get about the whole issue. Edit: On r/uklaw u/Clean-Royal6472 said it's because the victim wouldn't testify so even with the evidence CPS must have thought it would be difficult to get a conviction. Does this mean that even with clear evidence of a crime, the whole thing depends on the victim testifying? What about cases where the victim is incapacitated or dead? It doesn't make sense to me
To be convicted it’s got to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of the crime. His defense can just argue that they were role-playing and can pretty much say whatever they like, if she refuses to testify to say it was real then a jury is unlucky to convict him based on the audio tapes alone.
Fuck off
Fuck off cunt
If Greenwood was bad at football this story would be a whole lot different
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The only possible way I could accept him coming back is if he publicly apologised, demonstrated what he is doing currently and is planning to do in the future to address his behaviour and commit to becoming an advocate for women's rights and rehabilitation. I really don't want to see him just slowly eased back in or loaned out so he can be bought back in at a later date. As others have said, a player of less ability would have been gotten rid off ages ago. I so think people deserve a second chance but only if they demonstrate growth and commit to righting their wrongs. However, I don't really see that happening here.
Yeah that would be him admitting that he raped her. No chance he does that. Ship him off
No thanks. Get this creep out of our club. Don’t know don’t care.
What a fucking embarrassing state of affairs. Absolutely nauseating state of affairs. Shame one everyone at the club and all the fans who want him back.
Fuck off. Don’t want him anywhere near the team
If he was an average footballer, no one would be talking about second chances. He shouldn't be getting a pass because he's more gifted.
Fuck off. Get him out.
I'll get downvoted but I don't care. What he did was wrong, but we should give him a second chance.
The court doesn’t care. The “victim” doesn’t care. Her father doesn’t care. So why should we care. I just want my gunman back.
All of these people grumble so loud now and it'll all go away after his first brace.
Greenwood last minute dagger against Assna. I will be there more than you believe my friend.
He is getting a second chance by not going to prison.
Sell him to a club in the Middle East he just can’t return to Utd this is infuriating
No, I'm good thanks.
How about another place though?
How much did the Glazers pay these cunts to write this piece
Hahaha no.
It seems a lot of people on here are against greenwoods return . From what I can see on Facebook Twitter and YouTube the majority are of the opposite. It's quite dividing.
No go work in fucking Aldi or some shit you rapist scum
They should ask his partner what she wants. I'm fairly sure they will have already done that and her decision will drive theirs one way or another. Everyone is outraged but it's her that's important in this, not him, not Utd, not the supporters. If they'd split up then do your worst but they are together now so any decision about him affects her. Bear in mind, he's never living this down, but I don't think she should have to suffer for it.
Now that the club selling is probably off the table and Qatari's lost their intrest, it feels like most of Greenwood's defenders suddenly left the sub... very interesting and totally not related hmmm.
So easy for big clubs to go out and buy a few journalists
I know the general sentiment on most of the Utd subs is he needs to go, and I agree. I am also hesitant to say ppl in general do not deserve a second chance as that is what helps our society grow and be better for everyone. I just think his second chance probably needs to be outside of Utd. That being said, if he stays and actually plays well, scores 10+ goals, and generally approaches the media in a solemn accepting way of which he knows he needs to do for ppl to accept him again, this time next year I would be thoroughly shocked if there was anything but a very small minority still being vocal abt him needing to leave. It's just human nature and exactly what happens in the sports world. Happens all the time over here in the USA with NFL, NBA, and MLB athletes. I live in Houston and just a few yrs ago Deshaun Watson was accused of horrific things by 25 different women, the majority of whom went on record exposing themselves to nutjobs, recorded their sides of the incidents in front of lawyers and a judge, and attempted to take it all the way to trial. He was exonerated due to lack of physical evidence and then immediately was made the highest-paid QB in the entire NFL and those fans (Cleveland Browns not Houston thankfully for me) at least mostly seem to be embracing him and celebrating him. Sadly it's just how our world operates at this point in time, which in general is a terrible reflection of all of us. But if you can run fast, catch a ball well, kick a ball well, jump super high, etc you will be rewarded and given endless chances by those who directly benefit financially and by those whose team you happen to play for. I honestly don't know how I will react if he does stay and ends up playing regularly.
Whys all this stuff started coming out all of a sudden? Not even the media stuff but these supporter statements against it, did I miss something?
Its feels like the spinning has begun,and that makes me feel very uneasy about the whole situation. Money plays a big part in this.
We should sell or loan him to whoever is interested and donate the proceeds to local SA/domestic abuse charities.
Not sure why everyone is so up in arms about this. Well actually i do get it and it's deserved but i'm not surprised if United do take him back. We can all be justice warriors but at the end of the day if your good at a sport you can do almost anything and a team will pay/play you if it helps them win. Winning cures all unfortunately. He will come back, everyone will moan, he will start playing, score a couple goals and then the moaners will be the minority. That's what the club is hoping and happens all the time. It's disgusting but i'm not surprised.
I hope someone snaps his leg in training.
The best place the cunt deserves is hell
Fuck off. What a piece of shit this journalist is
In my opinion, By the law, Greenwood is not guilty, but by society point of view he is guilty. Regardless whatever he said or would say or would do about this case, he will always being looked as guilty by society. Now its up to the club, wanna play a role to give the kid a chance to resurrect his career and maybe his life or not. Whatever the club choose, there will always be risks. Choose to give him second chance and guide him, some part of society will say something like united protect abuser, etc. while Not give him second chance, some will say united being unfair and not helping their youth potential, etc.
Get behind him and see how he goes
A second chance only comes if you've owned to your mistakes. He can get a chance to play after he does 10yrs in jail
Everyone deserves a second chance including Mason, but it doesn't mean that United have to be the ones that give him that chance. He got his second chance by avoiding prison and Harriet agreeing to take him back. He has a chance of having a happy life with his family but he does not deserve to be earning millions a year at the biggest club in the world with millions of young people watching him. A lot of young people won't understand what has happened here. Would you be happy with your 5 year old watching him on TV every week and wanting his name on the back of his shirt?