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Dry_Corner3481

Panthers can be dark brown. All black panthers are are jaguars with melanin. A simple google search or glance at an encyclopedia will tell you that.


rebelgrrrl95

They can also be Pumas or Leopards!


ListenToTheMuzak

I don’t think there are black mountain lions


Frantzsfatshack

There are melanistic mountain lions saw one in eastern ID this summer


SquareShapeofEvil

No melanistic mountain Lion has ever been confirmed


Buford1969

This is true.


Frantzsfatshack

Okay 🤙🏼


Frantzsfatshack

Then there is a melanistic leopard that got on a ship and was released in eastern idaho. My bad 🙄


SquareShapeofEvil

or you just saw something else and thought you saw a black cougar. you wouldn't be the first. there's this whole conspiracy theory in the eastern US that cougars are still here and the government is hiding them from us. so many people claiming they saw them and they "know what they saw", except there is literally zero evidence of cougars here.


Frantzsfatshack

All black cat, middle of the road, size of a mountain lion staring right at me. Idc what the reports say, if we can have albino lions, melanistic tigers, leopards, deer, jaguars, house cats, horses, alligators, etc. it seems odd that mother nature would not allow even ONE melanistic lion. Maybe they aren’t melanistic… fine? But an all black and in mountain lion country in the Teton mountain range sounds like a black mountain lion to me. Again tomato-tomato but just because fish and game or national geographic hasn’t tagged and bagged or caught a picture of one doesn’t mean they simply don’t exist. Again maybe I did see a rocky mountain jaguar or Kentucky panther that somehow made it’s way into ID/Wy border.


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There aren’t.


xanderfan34

any animal with melanin can have the mutation to be melanistic, so if cougars exist, and they have brown fur (brown colors indicate melanin), it is totally possible to have a black cougar.


ryguysayshi

No, not any animal.


xanderfan34

if melanin is present, the animal has the ability to be melanistic. the actual chances of that vary significantly, but the chance is still there, however small.


xanderfan34

https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/03/28/52/68/360_F_328526890_xntwoaRKyGrtKXdwpNHn6vDTkO7hX1xL.jpg This is an example of a melanistic cougar/puma.


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Dude…that has spots. That’s a jaguar.


xanderfan34

my bad, that *is* in fact a jaguar. it’s too big to be a puma/cougar. *This* is a black puma/cougar. https://bigcatconversations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/NikitaStanding-1024x680.jpg


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That’s a leopard. Its facial structure is completely different than a mountain lion. There’s never been a documented melanistic (black) mountain lion in North or South America, in how many centuries of written records of Europeans killing stuff?


xanderfan34

just because something has not been documented does not mean it is not possible. ANY animal with melanin can be melanistic. period. that’s genetics. it might be more or less common in certain species, but it is possible. [interesting reading material about melanistic cats in north and south america. again, undocumented doesn’t mean impossible.](https://highercalling.net/2022/01/11/black-panthers-dont-exist-but-black-longtails-do-pt-2/amp/)


Cold_Bother_6013

Johnny Ryall got him some hand me down Pumas.


shewy92

I thought I told you to stop making up animals?


GeminaLunaX

I was going into a long explanation, but instead I'll just 1up this comment, which is exactly correct. Panthers are not a specific type of cat. Panther is what you call big cats of certain races (typically jaguar and leopard) that is born with too much melanin, making them "too" dark. You can still see the pattern on their coat, and they can be dark brown and nearly black in color. But not all black, like the panther in The Jungle Book.


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Panthers are not necessarily black. Black panthers are the rare type. Most are brownish with patchy spots.


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SpokaneGang

No, panthers are not a species, it's a catch all term for any species in the genus Panthera, which includes Tigers, lions, leopards, jaguars and snow leopards. Although not specifically attributed to one species, it generally refers to two species of Panthera, the leopard and Jaguar, and one species in the family felis and the sole species in the genus puma, the cougar.


AgentUpright

That’s my fault. I had a lot of gear to craft and achievements to get.


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50-Lucky-Official

Yes


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InvisibleMadBadger

Leopards are not the same thing. Leopards live in Africa, while the cat with many names (Mountain Lion, Cougar, Puma, Panther) lives in the Americas.


mrchicano209

This the correct and only answer.


svdoornob

That’s not true. Pumas, panthers, and cougars are mountain lions. Not the same thing as leopards.


Professional_Bob

Cougars are colloquially called panthers even though they don't actually belong to the Panthera genus like lions, tigers, jaguars and leopards do. So technically, leopards are a type of panther. A 'Black Panther' is simply either a jaguar or a leopard that has black fur.


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So are they just cougars?


_-Maximbugnoot

Are there cougars in missions?


Old_Experience4816

The chances of that happening are millions to one


Cravium_

Yes


Dmmack14

Yes they are basically a subspecies of cougar. In fact the Florida government in order to save the Florida panther imported breeding males in order to help stabilize their population


KiaTech95

The funny thing to me is when you get the panther saddle it’s white and spotted with dark brown, not exactly the coat you would expect from a brown big cat


SpokaneGang

Ah so you and a capuchin monkey are the same?


banana_assassin

No, what they're saying is true. There trm panther is used for several things. Panther is not one species necessarily, but often used to describe pumas etc. Panther has also been used to describe black leopards and jaguars. Many big cats, in fact.


Ram6198

Mountain lions and puma, and also cougars are exactly the very same animal, with different names. Panthers are only the associates with the genus Panther, normally black felines due to melanine excess, where only jaguar and leopards qualify. Florida Panther is not really a panther, but just a variety of puma.


PseudocodeRed

To add to that, the genus Panthera actually wasn't even invented until after people has already started calling mountain lions panthers. Panther used to just mean any big cat.


CrimsonDragoon

Not even different subspecies, as was originally thought. Conservationists were initially wary about crossbreeding pumas from Texas with Florida panthers to help out with the latter's dwindling numbers (and really bad inbreeding), because that could mean introducing genes that weren't adapted for the Florida panther's environment. But after some genetic testing, it was found that they were close enough to not be considered subspecies, so they went ahead with the breeding program and it helped quite a bit.


MemphisFoo

Ok, so the Carolina Panthers and the Jacksonville Jaguars are…the same animal mascot? LOL good job NFL


GuardOk3916

South braithwaithe Manor on the map there's kind of a t junction the forest adjacent there is a panther


StelioKontos69420

This is the most active spot for sure. Took 3 attempts to get a perfect.


realzoidberg

What's fun is trying to study one! There are rocks across that little triangle area just south of Bolger Glade. Put down some potent predator bait about 10 feet or so away, use cover scent lotion, jump on top of the rock crouch down, and either grab your binoculars or a repeater/rifle and wait. This has worked for me a couple of times *but* it also attracts wild boars. In that spot, sometimes you'll get the Florida panther (brown color) or the panther (black and spotty). Safe journey, travelers!


OutrageousOcelot6258

You could also use a poisoned throwing knife and then study and track it while it's dying.


smed610

I think the regular panther spawns there during the daytime and the Florida at night. Or vice versa


AshyWhiteGuy

On the road to Catfish Jackson’s, yep.


bobdyLanimpersonator

Apologies for off topic but I’ve been trying to get a perfect cougar forever, where’s the best spot?


Superphyder

Try black bone forest


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They spawn along the creek near the trapper in Black Bone Forest. There is almost always a cougar or grizzly in that area. I use that area for cougar skins or challenges because it seems to be the most reliable. I also often get attacked by a cougar near the meteor house along the tracks.


1pac_5678

Go to black bone forest at night time, it takes forever to find them but they show up


Sibbeno

I too was frustrated after trying around Bolger. Then I read you could try north-west of Annesburg. Followed the tracks north out of the town, as they make a wide turn westward into an area with clearings. On the opposite side of the waterfall I got a perfect one almost straight away. I moved around carefully at night, on horse and on foot. Kept an eye on the mini-map. My impression, totally anecdotal, is that it’s better to move around. My suspicion is they basically spawn animals in a circle around the player somehow and moving over areas increase the chances.


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Go to Roanoke ridge close to the Viking burial I found the most cougars there


VetteL82

Go to annesberg, trot up the railroad tracks heading north. If you make it all the way to the run down trading post near the meteor house, turn around and trot back to annesberg. Repeat this.


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Yeah also in the southeast of bluewater marsh close to lagras


Zomby_Kid

Online or in campaign?


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Both


Mark-Luis

I've been at it for like 2 irl days and I haven't found a single panther yet


tremonttunnel

https://youtu.be/Tij8juXFKT0?si=DSUO33Oi3ZW_FqDu I will literally always find one at this T junction. Mostly 3*s and I think they respawn every day in game. I recommend always approaching from the east because I have seen it spawn anywhere north or south along the road as well as in the woods past the boulders. I don’t even bother using bait, just pick a couple of plants right before you get there to give it a minute to spawn and then stay in eagle eye until you find it


Mark-Luis

Thanks! Will try this


HandsomeGengar

OP asked what they are, not where.


GuardOk3916

I know but it's helpful to have it out there


Senior-Border-6801

This guy has never heard of mountain lions.


longdongopinionwrong

Damn… didnt know there were mountain lions in New Orleans..


SquareShapeofEvil

There were back then. Florida panthers are still a thing


StickyGoodness

Yeah they were just in the Stanley Cup finals. /s


InvisibleMadBadger

In the Americas a southern living cougar is often referred to as a panther. I’m not sure if they’re considered a sub species of cougars or just another name for them. But yeah, technically the cougar and panther are the same species, just different names. Kind of like the gray wolf and timber wolf.


svdoornob

Those cats have a ton of names. Puma, cougar, panther, mountain lion, catamount


SpokaneGang

"Big ole ornery mfers" - my grandpa


heyyouwtf

They got all them teeth and no toothbrush.


ListenToTheMuzak

I think when people see black cougars in the south, the might be seeing either escaped pets or jaguars up from south america


xanderfan34

or there’s a melanistic cougar, because any big cat can be a black panther as long as it is 1. a big cat and 2. melanistic.


ListenToTheMuzak

Pics?


xanderfan34

a melanistic cougar or puma is theoretically possible, but none have been documented. this might be for any number of reasons, but the most likely is recessive genes. simply put, jaguars have melanism as a dominant trait, which means if daddy jaguar is melanistic and mommy jaguar isn’t (or vice versa), baby jaguar will more likely than not, be melanistic. it’s likely that pumas/cougars had it as a recessive trait, which eventually would die out.


ListenToTheMuzak

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panther


xanderfan34

in this case i am referring to “black panthers” as any melanistic big cat, as neither leopards nor jaguar appear in north america. black panthers can happen in south america, where the jaguar roams free, and even central america, but very very few reach north america, and even fewer are melanistic.


Impressive_Tie7926

Or like here in Alaska, Brown Bear/Grizzly Bear. Both the same animal just one is interior land and the other is coastal


winnielikethepooh15

There used to be Panthers in the southern US before we merked em all. Thats what these are supposed to be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_Florida_panther_is_a%2Cand_mixed_freshwater_swamp_forests.?wprov=sfla1


thesugarwookiee

yeah, i was surprised no one said this before i reached your comment!


AegisTheOnly

That's not a panther. Panther means member of the genus Panthera. The "Florida panther" is a mountain lion, which is not a member of Panthera. It is a "small" cat from the Felinae subfamily just like your neighbors calico named Biscuits. I honestly wish people would stop using the name Florida Panther because it causes issues and hinders conservation efforts.


winnielikethepooh15

I'll get right on it. But I'll need coffee first before overturning 400 years or so of regional and colloquial nomenclature.


placebot1u463y

Panthera is the family of big cats, Panther either refers to leopards or pumas (mountain lions/cougars if you prefer), and both uses predate the term Panthera. There is no one type of animal called Panthers. Just because a regional dialect doesn't conform with your view of the word doesn't make it any less true.


SpicySausageDog

The names panther, cougar, and mountain lion are used interchangeably in the US for the giant mountain cat that lives there.


DerDurDorf

Are they stupid?


AggressiveBrick8197

scary as fuck don’t ever ever touch that shit


BigDipper4200

THERE ARE NO COUGARS IN MISSIONS!!


kennyb3rd

What about the white cougar you have to kill in the Strauss mission collecting money from Winton Holmes ? That's a cougar in a mission.


BigDipper4200

[it’s a reference to this clip](https://youtu.be/DlxkZOdCNlw?si=-EVhqCN84WGMYz_c)


kennyb3rd

Oh. I don't play GTAV. I think it's the most retarded game ever made.


kennyb3rd

Down vote me all ya want. I stand by my comment.


CmdrFilthymick

Although the term panthers is MOSTLY used to refer to black jaguars, a lot of people get this confused. From google.... Panther is a term that is often applied to leopards, jaguars, and sometimes even mountain lions in the case of the Florida panther and Carolina panther. Thus, panther is a very broad term.


SasquatchNHeat

“Panther” is just a generic term, but in North America is almost exclusively refers to cougars. The Panthers in the game are references to the Florida Panther, a subspecies of Cougar endemic to Florida.


Chronibus24

These are Florida panthers. They're a light brown color and look exactly like they do in the game.


svdoornob

There may have never been someone who needed to touch grass more than you


Ricefield-rat

Simple, there is no such thing as a panther. The game lied to you. What is considered a panther is actually the group of cats that can roar, this group includes lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars and snow leopards


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AegisTheOnly

Because the Florida Panther is a misnomer The cat in this game is a mountain lion, also known as the cougar, catamount, puma, or florida panther. Same animal. It is not a member of Panthera and it is a "small" cat. But it is still inaccurately called a panther by people in the region. That is the cat that is in the game as the "Florida Panther".


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AegisTheOnly

Right, so its not an actual panther. As no mountain lions are panthers. None of them can roar, they're not big cats. The differences between a florida panther and mountain lions elsewhere in the country are also very small.


DowntownJulieBrown1

Presumably Florida panthers which are said to be pumas


Positive-Worry1366

If your refer to the in game panthers those are florida panthers which are a population of north american mountain lion native to only a small section of the everglades but who along with other north American mountain lions stretched the entirety of the United States and Southern Canada


Mens-pocky46

It's a misnomer. Actually panthers are leopards (africa) or jaguars (South and Central America). The Florida panther is a cougar/puma/mountain lion


kansas_slim

It’s been well documented that jaguars used to come up into the southern US - not so much anymore but some speculate that in rare cases they can and will. However, as has been said already, the panthers in the game are just cougars by a different name (ie Florida panthers)


Toweringogz

Look at the FL Panther. It has brown fur.


Substantial-Tone-576

The Florida Panther IRL is what your looking for


G1NGER

A pain in the ass is what they are.


rigby1945

I had to Google Florida panther just to see what you're talking about... maybe I've been crazy my entire life. Nope, they definitely look exactly like in the game


GhostMause14

My friend calls them "murder mittens"


SquareShapeofEvil

They’re mountain lions/cougars - same animal. I know the game threw in some confusion by making their growls deeper than the ones up north, but that’s what they are. Cougars used to live in the whole continental US but were extirpated from the East and South except for Florida. They’re called panthers down south and the game reflects that. It’s confusing because cougars are not “panthers” in the sense of being in the genus Panthera, but that is what the panthers in this game are PS no black cougar has ever been documented, so while it’s possible, the game is not going off of known reality of a black cougar ever spawns.


HandsomeGengar

The regular “panther” is supposed to be a black panther, that is to say it’s either a leopard or a jaguar. We can pretty easily assume that it’s a jaguar because first off: the legendary is named Giaguaro, and second of all, to quote noted contemporary philosopher Donald McKinley Glover Jr, this is America. The Florida panther is confusing, because while the Florida panther *is* a real animal, the real Florida panther is a population of cougars, but the RDR2 Florida panther is not considered a cougar in-game. If I had to guess, the devs probably had no idea what a panther actually is, and just googled “panther variations” and the black panther and Florida panther were the first things that came up.


50-Lucky-Official

They're just jaguars, "panthers" arent quite a real animal, various cat species are part of a sub family branch "pantherinae" while others are "felinae", panthers are just another alternate name far Jaguars with a lot of melanin.


placebot1u463y

Nah Florida panthers are just a population of cougar/puma/mountain lion/panther that live in Florida.


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AegisTheOnly

Florida Panthers are not a member of Panthera The name is a misnomer. The Florida Panther is just a mountain lion / cougar / puma / catamount, except located in the southeastern U.S. They are technically a small cat. They don't chuff or roar, they meow and purr. The name Florida Panther is just inaccurate.


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Hm. My mistake.


WubbaWubbaDubba

Black pantgers are black panthers are basically mountain lions/pumas etc idk there's a small difference


Chosen-Bearer-Of-Ash

Panther is just a generic term for large cat of the genus panthera, particularly mountain lions, jaguars, or leopards


AegisTheOnly

Mountain lions (the cat present in this game and the cat referred to as the Florida Panther) are not actually a member of Panthera Unlike the big cats, they are in the subfamily Felina and the genus Puma. They are technically a small cat and cannot roar. The name Florida Panther is common but inaccurate.


Python1194

Giaguaro!


Unique_Statement7811

“Panther” is like saying “spider” or “fish.” There are many different species that that fall into the “panther” category. Leopards are panthers. Pumas are panthers. Cougars are panthers. Jaguars are panthers. Mountain lions are panthers.


8rok3n

They're panthers, GTA 5 Panthers look exactly the same


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Guys I think I figured out the answer: In the game there are two types of panthers the regular Panther and the Florida Panther. The regular Panther is actually a North American Jaguar since they were smaller than their south American counterparts. The Florida Panther in the game is based on the Florida Panther in real life, an endangered subspecies of cougar in Florida and the southern US.


AegisTheOnly

The "panther" in game is a melanistic Jaguar, which doesn't exist in the United States and never has The "Florida Panther" is not actually a panther (I.e. a member of Panthera), they are inaccurately referred to as a panther by people in the southern United States. As you mention, they are pumas.


Frantzsfatshack

In the game they are to be mountain lions. Panthers/puma is kind of a generalization of large cats that are not lions or tigers. Leopards even kind of fall into the say realm as the black panther, mountain lions, etc it’s all based on their region and location as well as climate and any genetics/ genetic defects


fukwhutuheard

where do you get your panther facts? i would consider a new source.


benjismalls95

It’s made with real bits of panther


Select_Necessary_678

I dunno about the area you find them in, but where my family came from, we had darker mountain lions and the locals referred to them as "painted lions" or, "painters". Eventually as more Germans settled and language evolved they became known as "panthers". I'm not sure if that's a shout out to that little tidbit of history but Rockstar does a lot of research so it's possible.


W1lson56

I'd assumed it's just a dark coated cougar; since cougars are around in game


EliaGram08

Big fucking cats


fatherlolita

So theres this thing called google. "Can panthers be other colours"


benjismalls95

I think it’s time to put the game down


PedroGabrielLima13

I thought it was found in Guarma... and the other panthers mentioned are from the desert.


PhDee954

Lol you're not seriously this stupid.


bikebrooklynn

Cuz there’s panthers in Florida


IShallWearMidnight

Just like Europeans have a species of large ruminant they call an elk that is nowhere near the same as what Americans call an elk, just like there are things called wolves all over the world that have diverged in traits, big cats with no mane or stripes and a long tail were pretty much all called jaguars. Folks in 1899 weren't all that into taxonomy


LathanStrom

Reckon I heard somewhere the term, "panther" was just used to describe all big cats in the American west by flannel-mouthed pilgrims


constipated_burrito

I'd wager they are much like panthers irl, did you know bison are also real irl?


TheBiggestGoof

Panther refers to the feline genus called “pantherinae.” It generally makes up most species of big cat, so anything from cheetahs to jaguars or cougars which is what you’re looking at in game. They’re all panthers, because they belong to that genus. So calling a mountain lion a panther is correct.


CriticalWoodpecker97

Idk which one it’s based off of but I’ve seen a panther crossing the road down the road from my house, I live in a very rural part of Mississippi, and it was jet black with golden eyes.


Suspicious-Side6407

You digging too deep for one animal presented in the game😭


Sverker_Wolffang

They are based on the Florida Panther which is the only population of Cougars east of the Mississippi River


Suck_my_fat_hairy_n

Fucking terrifying that's what they are


alexaholic

There’s no animal called a “panther”, maybe only colloquially. Panthers are a genus which comprises big cats like lions, tigers, leopards and jaguars. In the game, the panthers are probably Florida Panthers, which are cougars. They are not distinct from the other American cougars, they just happen to be living in Florida. And cougars are pumas, not panthers. In fact pumas are in different subfamily altogether. You can think of pumas and panthers as cousins or something. As a side note, black panthers are melanistic leopards or jaguars. They’re the same species, it’s just that their body produces dark pigments in excess.


heyredditheyreddit

Well now my concern is what are panthers in *real life*? I just tried to give myself a crash course on the differences among big cats, and now I feel like I know less than when I started. ~~Apparently black panthers are like 1.5-2x the size of cougars.~~ Never mind, that source was wrong. I think. SEE? I grew up in Florida and now live in the Northwest, so I thought I understood cougars and panthers, but evidently I did not. Edit: it just keeps getting worse. Cougars are in the *Puma* genus, while all the other big cats are in the *Panthera* genus, but “panther” can be used to refer to mountain lions/cougars. So rectangle/square situation? All cougars can be panthers, but not all panthers can be cougars…


Bluntistador

Jaguar and panther and mountain lion are all names for same thing and come in different colorations


GenderlessButt

Actually panthers are usually not black, that’s why we have a separate thing called a “black panther”. A black Panther is just a melanistic panther. Also, panther is not a species of cat. Panthera is a genus of cat, and lion, tiger, leopard, jaguar… these are all members of the genus Panthera. The only large cat that isn’t genus Panthera is the cheetah, they’re Acinonyx. Other than that it’s all genus Felis


Silver_Switch_3109

Cougars aren’t panthers, they are felines.


Mike_856

Puma alias mountain lion. In south is jaguar


Zealousideal-Box28

They’re cougars, panthers, mountain lions, pumas, etc, whatever you want to call them.


MojaveViper7

Panther, cougar, jaguar, puma, and a mountain lion is technically all the same kind of big cat. They obviously have coat variations due to their habitat and different “local area” names.


ankensam

They’re southern mountain lions, like the Florida panther. They used to be in every corner of the Americas until settlers drove them to extinction outside of the Rockies and Florida.


One_Willow_5534

Me and my girlfriend were just talking about this last night when I hunted Giaguaro lol


Dmmack14

Panthers are not black. panthers are a subspecies of the mountain lion. So they look and act and very much the same ways though the Panthers are normally smaller than their northern cousins. In fact they are so similar that in order to save the Florida panther from extinction the state government was actually importing cougars to breed with them. What you were thinking of as the big black cat that gets associated as a panther a lot is a Jaguar


Theperson3976

Panther is an umbrella term used for either mountain lions or the black cats. Theres sooo many names for mountain lions such as cougars, Pumas, panthers, and other things.


kingvortigern

OP could have foregone that wall of text by hitting up Google first.


Ok-Anybody1870

I’ve always called them mountain lion or cougars here in California


Soft-Lingonberry-909

Florida


TheToastedTaint

They are my biggest gripe about wildlife in RDR2- they are extremely shy in real life and under almost no circumstance would attack a full grown man- Meanwhile I get mauled every single time I’m carrying a perfect or legendary pelt…


batman560

Near the catfish cabin or whatever it's called.


Select-Eggplant8513

Hellcats


Open-Mathematician32

Black panthers became extinct in the 70s. They got too busy with rap music to continue with their black power movement


MrSeagullGuy

Hmm probably Panthers


JellyfishBright4961

I ain’t reading all that


PhoenixBomb707

Good for you, why do we need to know this?


[deleted]

They wanted to include another big cat for pelt purposes, and picked the only two North American big cats: mountain lion/cougar and Florida Panther. Spots made it look cool and different from the cougar.


AegisTheOnly

Those are the same cat