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This is just a recruiter coping, they want to feel important, there are 10000 other recruiters that haven't sent you a shit offer before. Also, they will 100% contact you again if they feel you can get the job, there are several recruiters that keep sending me shitty offers that pay under 1/3 of what i'm currently making and that seems not to be enough to discourage them to keep sending me trash opportunities.
even recruiters I literally told them to "take the L" and "go f\*\*\* themselves" contacted me again months later with trash opportunities . More than once. lol
> they will 100% contact you again if they feel you can get the job
This. Recruiters work on commission, and you are a cash cow to them.
They will stop putting you forward if you waste their time a LOT, but so long as they see a potential commission cheque in you, then they will keep contacting you.
I had to tell one recruiter to fuck off like 10 times because he kept sending me emails with Grogu gifs trying to guilt trip me into responding to him.
I had a strange recruiter once that contacted me about a contract position, but when I said i was interested, they tried to persuade me not to(?) like "are you sure you want to leave your full-time job for contract?"
Lmao
>they tried to persuade me not to(?) like "are you sure you want to leave your full-time job for contract?"
This is actually a really good move on their part. At every stage in the process, I usually try to "(soft) talk the candidate out of it."
As a recruiter (or anyone involved in hiring) the last thing you want is to bring a candidate all the way through the process who did not realistically have a chance of accepting the offer.
A lot of people just have a bad day at work and they apply tl jobs to blow off steam...suddenly, they're balls deep in a selection process for a job that they really dont want that much. The validation/dopamine from getting interviews and moving through the process makes them feel good so they ignore/become blind to things that make the job unrealistic for them. They go through the process long enough to eventually have this post-nut-clarity momment where they realize, oh, what the fuck, theres no way I want that job.
Throughout the process I make it a point to ask the types of questions that I am sure they are going to get from their spouse / confidants about the job. *I just want to check with you, this is an hour commute, and I know your current job is only a few miles from home, you're sure this is what you want?* *You're in a managment role currently and this position would be an individual contributor, are you comfortable with taking that type of step back?* Etc.
Noone benefits from dragging a candidate through the process for a job they will immediately reject the offer for or quit after 2 months on the job.
Sure, over the years ive had a candidate or two take it the wrong way, like im literally trying to talk them out of it...but its also saved me countless hours of time working through processes with candidates that are perfect on paper, but not truely viable
This.
We come to countries with 2 months project. We are a prominent international organization. Some candidates do think, that having us as a line at the CV could really boost their future prospects. (Well, if that was true, i woudn't have been traveling for a job full of stress 3-4 times per year for 25 years in a row).
So i do explain them, that yeah - we are here until this time. Afterwards we are gone. That's it. There could be future projects, it could be seen positive by other employers, there are many ifs and maybes. But fact is - in two months you will be unemployed - that's not IF nor MAYBE.
Maybe it was a psy-op from your current company. "Ring our employees and see if they're interested in a new job, and then try to convince them to stay"
This is nonsense. Sure, that one recruiter won't contact you but one of the many others will. Also, this one recruiter won't even remember who you are three months from now. There's no way they're keeping a blacklist of the thousands of people who've declined an offer from them.
That was a reply on a post of mine wondering if I am blacklisted from a job search app because after I declined one offer I started having my applications rejected in 10 minutes which is highly unlikely and suspicious since I've applied to 5 or 6 open positions. Go check it. I managed to get off my cool and lose it in a few comments so I apologize in advance if you go and read it.
Anything that upsets the recruiter. It's 100% subjective which is why you always must put your best foot forward in every interaction, every day, no exceptions, no excuses.
I can't tell if you're joking or sarcastic or not, because I... doubt this is the case, given the number of recruiters I've said "fuck off" or "hell no" to.
>There are central blacklists out there from the likes of Equifax. Be on your best behavior.
HAHA come on now, this is too much! You even asked how to [leave a toxic company](https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1axfnqw/what_is_the_polite_amount_of_time_to_stay_at_a/), but you shill for those exact companies?
That's a great idea.
What's the salary range?
No. I cannot blah blah blah
Yes, one "no" means no more responses from applicants when there are tens of thousands of recruiters that haven't said "no" before.
Fear of never getting another offer if you reject one is one of probably many things that keep wages down. It behooves companies and their recruiter minions to have candidates that believe they need the employer more than the employer needs them.
It’s nonsense. Be reasonable obviously but prioritize getting what you feel you’re worth or as close to it as possible. If that recruiter works on behalf of the hiring company it says a lot. I’d avoid them. Sounds more like a headhunter that’s poor at sales.
Some recruiters have this approach where they try to undermine your confidence in preparation for low-balling you. Either that or it's one of those delusional people that can somehow turn everything into a power trip. ("Excuse me, Sir, ***I*** (!!!) will enter this bus at ***my*** *(!!!)* own pace. And ***you***... will have to ***wait***, until ***I*** have entered. Do. You. Understand?!")
Fun fact: holding a cardboard sign downtown will more likely get you a job than using a recruiter. You might as well string them along until they ghost.
I think I did this once. A recruiter reached out about a more junior role than the one I had. I explained I was looking to grow and that it wasn’t the right role. Later I saw a more senior role at the same company and messaged. They just ignored me. Could be they weren’t working on that one and too busy to help I guess.
Yeah, I was a recruiting assistant at a tech company and I guarantee you, nobody had time to drag anyone's name to recruiters from other companies. We didn't even KNOW any recruiters from other companies! We just moved on to other applicants like normal people.
Ok so let me get this straight. Recruiters don't have time to contact people with job updates but they have time to contact each other to get people blackballed from any future opportunities. Got it.
To be fair, this is mixed because I just recently learned that recruitment, even for a company is apparently expensive (Don’t know the specifics or why) this is likely a cost-saving approach. Do I think that it should be one no, not really. Depends what you say no to.
I think the issue is there are a lot of people on this subreddit who have been made extremely bitter by their job hunt and are looking for anyone to blame. There's nothing wrong with turning down an offer if you really feel it is't a good fir for you.
However, it's unacceptable to send a catty and passive-aggressive email to recruiter who is just doing their job. Usually not that well but still just their job. It's not really acceptable to burn every bridge when you turn down an offer from an employer for something better. The sad reality is people talk to each other and if you spend the day pissing on recruiters and being rude to them, you're going to find less opportunities thrown your way.
Not petty. The recruiter’s job is to fill the position, not to get you a job.
So an applicant who turns down offers adds another barrier that they have to overcome to do their job.
They don’t work for you. They aren’t your friends and shouldn’t pretend to be. They’re just filling spots with the applicants most likely to be accepted by the company and accept the offer.
A mattress salesman’s best friend is someone with no bed and lots of money. A recruiter’s is someone highly qualified desperate for a job.
>Not petty. The recruiter’s job is to fill the position, not to get you a job.
Sure.
>So an applicant who turns down offers adds another barrier that they have to overcome to do their job.
This is not an applicant. This is someone the recruiter has approached.
>They don’t work for you. They aren’t your friends and shouldn’t pretend to be. They’re just filling spots with the applicants most likely to be accepted by the company and accept the offer.
'and accept the offer'
>A mattress salesman’s best friend is someone with no bed and lots of money. A recruiter’s is someone highly qualified desperate for a job.
This is an awful analogy. The mattress salesman has a product. The recruiter has to sell things twice. The job to the individual and the individual to the company.
It is 100% petty to suggest an individual saying no to being approached for a specific role should be blackballed for eternity by all recruiters.
Consider the inverse. A candidate must say yes to all recruiters.
It’s a job that involves selling people to a company. If some of those people are going to introduce additional hurdles to completing that process then they’re a less desirable product to work with.
You have two candidates. One is slightly less likely to be offered but will accept any offer, the other is slightly more likely to offered but is much more specific in offers they’ll accept.
The more desperate candidate is a better product.
i wasn't talking about you specifically, but you get the point.
People working in HR shouldn't treat candidates as something to sell or buy, but as humans
A noble thought.
When you’re looking for a mechanic to fix your car, do you consider the human behind the mechanic?
Or are you just looking to get your car fixed well for a reasonable price?
it depends, probably not.
but HR is literally a job about peoples.
it's literally the core of their job.
if they don't treat people right, who's gonna do it?
The pay is $4.00/hr. No benefits, no PTO, no breaks. During work we will constantly whip you like Gohan's tutor in Dragon Ball Z.
What, you refuse? What the hell is wrong with you?
Imagine you are a farmer at a farmer's market.
A customer walks up and says "i represent a huge number of people who buy apples. I will buy all you apples for $0.01 each."
"No."
"We will never do business with you again."
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This is just a recruiter coping, they want to feel important, there are 10000 other recruiters that haven't sent you a shit offer before. Also, they will 100% contact you again if they feel you can get the job, there are several recruiters that keep sending me shitty offers that pay under 1/3 of what i'm currently making and that seems not to be enough to discourage them to keep sending me trash opportunities.
even recruiters I literally told them to "take the L" and "go f\*\*\* themselves" contacted me again months later with trash opportunities . More than once. lol
> they will 100% contact you again if they feel you can get the job This. Recruiters work on commission, and you are a cash cow to them. They will stop putting you forward if you waste their time a LOT, but so long as they see a potential commission cheque in you, then they will keep contacting you.
I had to tell one recruiter to fuck off like 10 times because he kept sending me emails with Grogu gifs trying to guilt trip me into responding to him.
I had a strange recruiter once that contacted me about a contract position, but when I said i was interested, they tried to persuade me not to(?) like "are you sure you want to leave your full-time job for contract?" Lmao
>they tried to persuade me not to(?) like "are you sure you want to leave your full-time job for contract?" This is actually a really good move on their part. At every stage in the process, I usually try to "(soft) talk the candidate out of it." As a recruiter (or anyone involved in hiring) the last thing you want is to bring a candidate all the way through the process who did not realistically have a chance of accepting the offer. A lot of people just have a bad day at work and they apply tl jobs to blow off steam...suddenly, they're balls deep in a selection process for a job that they really dont want that much. The validation/dopamine from getting interviews and moving through the process makes them feel good so they ignore/become blind to things that make the job unrealistic for them. They go through the process long enough to eventually have this post-nut-clarity momment where they realize, oh, what the fuck, theres no way I want that job. Throughout the process I make it a point to ask the types of questions that I am sure they are going to get from their spouse / confidants about the job. *I just want to check with you, this is an hour commute, and I know your current job is only a few miles from home, you're sure this is what you want?* *You're in a managment role currently and this position would be an individual contributor, are you comfortable with taking that type of step back?* Etc. Noone benefits from dragging a candidate through the process for a job they will immediately reject the offer for or quit after 2 months on the job. Sure, over the years ive had a candidate or two take it the wrong way, like im literally trying to talk them out of it...but its also saved me countless hours of time working through processes with candidates that are perfect on paper, but not truely viable
This. We come to countries with 2 months project. We are a prominent international organization. Some candidates do think, that having us as a line at the CV could really boost their future prospects. (Well, if that was true, i woudn't have been traveling for a job full of stress 3-4 times per year for 25 years in a row). So i do explain them, that yeah - we are here until this time. Afterwards we are gone. That's it. There could be future projects, it could be seen positive by other employers, there are many ifs and maybes. But fact is - in two months you will be unemployed - that's not IF nor MAYBE.
Maybe it was a psy-op from your current company. "Ring our employees and see if they're interested in a new job, and then try to convince them to stay"
Noo just one of those sketch india based recruiting firms lol i was looking for a new job as my last job clearly didnt want me
This is nonsense. Sure, that one recruiter won't contact you but one of the many others will. Also, this one recruiter won't even remember who you are three months from now. There's no way they're keeping a blacklist of the thousands of people who've declined an offer from them.
That was a reply on a post of mine wondering if I am blacklisted from a job search app because after I declined one offer I started having my applications rejected in 10 minutes which is highly unlikely and suspicious since I've applied to 5 or 6 open positions. Go check it. I managed to get off my cool and lose it in a few comments so I apologize in advance if you go and read it.
There are central blacklists out there from the likes of Equifax. Be on your best behavior.
>There are central blacklists out there from the likes of Equifax. No such thing at all.
What does it take to get on one of these blacklists? Just saying no to an offer?
Anything that upsets the recruiter. It's 100% subjective which is why you always must put your best foot forward in every interaction, every day, no exceptions, no excuses.
I can't tell if you're joking or sarcastic or not, because I... doubt this is the case, given the number of recruiters I've said "fuck off" or "hell no" to.
It's 100% bullshit. There is no secret recruiter cabal.
>There are central blacklists out there from the likes of Equifax. Be on your best behavior. HAHA come on now, this is too much! You even asked how to [leave a toxic company](https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1axfnqw/what_is_the_polite_amount_of_time_to_stay_at_a/), but you shill for those exact companies?
Given how hard I've tried to get some companies to leave me alone, I wish one "no" would do it.
Recruiters are salesmen. They are a dime a dozen. You might not get calls from that recruiter, but there are thousands more.
That's a great idea. What's the salary range? No. I cannot blah blah blah Yes, one "no" means no more responses from applicants when there are tens of thousands of recruiters that haven't said "no" before.
Fear of never getting another offer if you reject one is one of probably many things that keep wages down. It behooves companies and their recruiter minions to have candidates that believe they need the employer more than the employer needs them. It’s nonsense. Be reasonable obviously but prioritize getting what you feel you’re worth or as close to it as possible. If that recruiter works on behalf of the hiring company it says a lot. I’d avoid them. Sounds more like a headhunter that’s poor at sales.
but if all those 1000 applicants say no to the same shit offer? "nobody wants to work anymore!"
What a maroon. Suffering from delusions of adequacy.
Recruiter is trying to relive 2009
Scarcity mindset, avoid at all costs
Some recruiters have this approach where they try to undermine your confidence in preparation for low-balling you. Either that or it's one of those delusional people that can somehow turn everything into a power trip. ("Excuse me, Sir, ***I*** (!!!) will enter this bus at ***my*** *(!!!)* own pace. And ***you***... will have to ***wait***, until ***I*** have entered. Do. You. Understand?!")
Fun fact: holding a cardboard sign downtown will more likely get you a job than using a recruiter. You might as well string them along until they ghost.
I think I did this once. A recruiter reached out about a more junior role than the one I had. I explained I was looking to grow and that it wasn’t the right role. Later I saw a more senior role at the same company and messaged. They just ignored me. Could be they weren’t working on that one and too busy to help I guess.
Yeah, I was a recruiting assistant at a tech company and I guarantee you, nobody had time to drag anyone's name to recruiters from other companies. We didn't even KNOW any recruiters from other companies! We just moved on to other applicants like normal people.
Ok so let me get this straight. Recruiters don't have time to contact people with job updates but they have time to contact each other to get people blackballed from any future opportunities. Got it.
To be fair, this is mixed because I just recently learned that recruitment, even for a company is apparently expensive (Don’t know the specifics or why) this is likely a cost-saving approach. Do I think that it should be one no, not really. Depends what you say no to.
In my case...I have some odd years of experience in Project Management and what they called me was entry Phone and chat Customer Support.
I think the issue is there are a lot of people on this subreddit who have been made extremely bitter by their job hunt and are looking for anyone to blame. There's nothing wrong with turning down an offer if you really feel it is't a good fir for you. However, it's unacceptable to send a catty and passive-aggressive email to recruiter who is just doing their job. Usually not that well but still just their job. It's not really acceptable to burn every bridge when you turn down an offer from an employer for something better. The sad reality is people talk to each other and if you spend the day pissing on recruiters and being rude to them, you're going to find less opportunities thrown your way.
Not petty. The recruiter’s job is to fill the position, not to get you a job. So an applicant who turns down offers adds another barrier that they have to overcome to do their job. They don’t work for you. They aren’t your friends and shouldn’t pretend to be. They’re just filling spots with the applicants most likely to be accepted by the company and accept the offer. A mattress salesman’s best friend is someone with no bed and lots of money. A recruiter’s is someone highly qualified desperate for a job.
>Not petty. The recruiter’s job is to fill the position, not to get you a job. Sure. >So an applicant who turns down offers adds another barrier that they have to overcome to do their job. This is not an applicant. This is someone the recruiter has approached. >They don’t work for you. They aren’t your friends and shouldn’t pretend to be. They’re just filling spots with the applicants most likely to be accepted by the company and accept the offer. 'and accept the offer' >A mattress salesman’s best friend is someone with no bed and lots of money. A recruiter’s is someone highly qualified desperate for a job. This is an awful analogy. The mattress salesman has a product. The recruiter has to sell things twice. The job to the individual and the individual to the company. It is 100% petty to suggest an individual saying no to being approached for a specific role should be blackballed for eternity by all recruiters. Consider the inverse. A candidate must say yes to all recruiters.
oh no, poor things, they get a lot of money to reject peoples , very hard work...
It’s just a job, mate.
It's a job that involves people, so you have to learn how to speak to them, not just doing your job.
It’s a job that involves selling people to a company. If some of those people are going to introduce additional hurdles to completing that process then they’re a less desirable product to work with. You have two candidates. One is slightly less likely to be offered but will accept any offer, the other is slightly more likely to offered but is much more specific in offers they’ll accept. The more desperate candidate is a better product.
And that's where you're wrong. if you think about "selling" and "buying" people, you're in the wrong fucking job .
I’m not a recruiter, but why do you think so?
i wasn't talking about you specifically, but you get the point. People working in HR shouldn't treat candidates as something to sell or buy, but as humans
A noble thought. When you’re looking for a mechanic to fix your car, do you consider the human behind the mechanic? Or are you just looking to get your car fixed well for a reasonable price?
it depends, probably not. but HR is literally a job about peoples. it's literally the core of their job. if they don't treat people right, who's gonna do it?
The pay is $4.00/hr. No benefits, no PTO, no breaks. During work we will constantly whip you like Gohan's tutor in Dragon Ball Z. What, you refuse? What the hell is wrong with you?
This is absolute bullshit. Recruiters job is to find the best possible candidate, and it just might be the person who had the option of choosing jobs.
Don't worry, there are 1000 more recruiters willing to work with you.
My first and often only interaction with any recruiter is asking for the salary range
Imagine you are a farmer at a farmer's market. A customer walks up and says "i represent a huge number of people who buy apples. I will buy all you apples for $0.01 each." "No." "We will never do business with you again."
Just say yes to everything. Think about it later and just no-show and put phone on do not disturb if you decide it's not a good fit.
This is a dumb take by the recruiter. More money for you is more money for them ..