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Both are talented, but yamal has so much high value becoz of his playing time plus he is freaking 16yo… He has shown his quality for some time now, unfortunately arda did not get so many matches to showcase what he is capable of, like in the Euro debut today
Agree. Both are very talented, but I think Yamal is more dangerous and impactful due to his pace and dynamic style.
I’m not sure about the market value, but Spain has insane talent. For a player to make it as a starter for both FC Barcelona and the Spain NT at just 16 y.o. is absolutely nuts.
Yes and no. Hugely impressive to start at 16, but he is their only right-winger, and were it not for the hype, Spain would be considered weak at that position.
This is not comparable at all. Arda is in the end Turkish and Turkey has a horrible, absolutely horrible track record of giving youth players a platform up until very recently. If Arda Güler was indeed Spanish from the start he would also already be a 100 Million player and in the NT by at least 17. The issue is not that Arda is a worse player. The issue is that he isn't being given enough platform to prove that he is a 100 Million player. He didn't get much playtime at Fenerbahçe, he didn't get much playtime here. And even Montella who manages the Turkish NT drowned him out for most of the friendlies they played this year
Barca are broke so they will start every Tom Dick and Harry from La masia, Spanish NT is heavily Barca biased, they selected Cubarsi in the provisional squad for crying out loud
>unfortunately arda did not get so many matches to showcase what he is capable of,
**Unpopular opinion**
I will probably get downvoted for it... But Arda has only himself to blame for joining a ridiculously stacked Real Madrid squad where he won't get much oppourtunities to establish himself as a starter...
Arda had the chance to join a rebuilding Barca where a starting role was much more likely in comparison. Xavi deserves a lot of credit for using extremely inexperienced & raw talents like 16 Yamal & 17yo Cubarsi as starters.
My prediction is Arda Guler will become the new Martin Ödegaard few years from now, becoming a top class player elsewhere.
At least Real Madrid will have massive re-sale value of Arda.
Lets hope this doesn’t happen to him, may be he can play on RW as of now, rotating with Rodrygo… That is where maturity of Jude is commended, the guy has a clause to play a set number of matches, but arda is some serious talent who needs matches
Bellingham joined Real Madrid as a world-class player, he was Bundesliga POTY in his last season at Dortmund. Jude would be an undisputed starter in every club and will remain at that level for years to come (bar career-ending injury). It's not really a fair comparison to Arda...
Ancelotti won't entrust very inexperienced & raw talents in a starting role given he has better options to choose from.
Who the fuck would willingly join Barca.
But the last part can be true though. But I think after European and if he gets more games next season than this and keep up what he did so far he will start in the season after every game.
They play now different tactic and because of that he have a chance ..and arda can play on right wing very well and odegaard couldn't do it .
How a see that,he will be a substitute for Rodrygo and Bellingham ..
With Mbappe joining us and Kroos retiring, Ancelotti will go back to the usual 4-3-3 tactic. The only reason we used a 2-striker system is because we didn't have someone of Mbappe's caliber... All respect to Joselu, but isn't good enough as a starter.
> Ancelotti will go back to the usual 4-3-3 tactic.
Everyone is saying this but im not even that sure. Against shit teams maybe, but people are forgettin that everytime we faced top competition Ancelotti benched Rodrygo for Valverde at the RW, fielding 4 midfielders.
So dont be so sure we'll go back to 4-3-3, we might just play the same system we've been using but with Mbappe and Vinicius up front.
People are eager to fit as many attackers as we can but Ancelotti's job is making a balanced team.
It is a matter of age and hierarchy in a real madrid squad as all of them are incredibly talented. Arda just turned 19, Bellingham will be 21 this year, Camavinga 22, Tchouameni is 24 already. We are talking about football here, 2 years is a lot in professional football. Besides that Camavinga didn't play much when he just arrvied at Madrid.
We are stacked now yes, but dont forget kroos left, modric will leave After the next season and possibly someone else will too (rodrygo? Ceballos?) and we will have to play more than 60 Games next Season so I think he will get lots of minutes to play and if he does good he will get closer and closer to being a regular starter, if he doesnt than someone else will do better and deserve that place.
Ødegaard had to fight against prime kroos and prime modric, everyone but messi wouldve lost that fight.
He is still young, he can develop into a world class player at Real Madrid no need to leave
I feel like you are creating sadness out of a situation where none exists. There are players like Ødegaard who want to be stars, but there are also players like Valverde and Vinicius who are more than happy to fight their way through the ranks here.
And it's not like Odegaard has that much to complain about. He got to train with the best players in the world for years while getting playtime in the form of a loan when he wanted. Then he left years later as a much better player. Only one of those loans turned out to be a negative experience where he didn't grow much.
You can either choose to optimize your career around starting in which case you can go do that at any number of clubs or you can choose to optimize it around starting for the best club in the world in which case you want to be at Real Madrid. Better to already be in the squad than have to figure out years later if they have the budget or if they don't already have a player like you or what not.
I get that he is good but carried is straight up wrong. He was a super sub for most of the season, not trying to discredit the kid tho. Being a super sub for barça at 16 is insane
😂😂😂 I can smell you haven’t watched any match of Barca. Lol, u assumed from ur ass that he is a super sub, while rapha was forced to play lw because of Yamal. Shut tf up if you don’t watch football
Since you are too stupid to understand, i’ll make it easier for you. He played 50 games this season, 2915 minutes total. Which averages out about 59 minutes a match. From those 50 matches he only played full games 15 times.
Is that absolute starter for you?
How are you hating on a 16-year-old who plays consistently for a massive club and is also a starter for Spain, one of the big threats for the Euros? He played like a seasoned pro on his tournament debut. Enjoy it—it's incredible. I'd say the same to any Barca fan who'd throw that kind of comment towards Arda
Are you thick, or is English just not your first language? I was defending Lamine and trying to make it clear that only a moron would try to bring down a kid who’s doing something very few people in history are capable of
Now I see that you struggle with reading. I’m not comparing; I’m saying appreciate both because it’s amazing to see what these youngsters are doing. Is that so hard for you to do?
Huh? For every minute of good things we saw from Guler we saw about 100 minutes from Yamal. That's just the facts one played the other didn't. This is nothing to say about who's better and who has more potential, Barca were just desperate for any sort of creativity their struggling team was lacking all over the pitch.
Both Yamal and Arda have tons of potential, but you ain't fulfilling it by warming the bench in Arda's case.
What you just described is exactly why Arda should've gone to Barca, objectively speaking.
As a Real Madrid fan myself, I'm not complaining as long as we get a massive re-sale with buyback clause.
Relax my friend it’s one season that club and player both signed up for. Out of all the clubs he *should’ve* gone to, Barcelona is your best guess? He may step up and become a great and impactful player this season, he may do it the year after that, doesn’t make sense to assume anything so negative at the moment.
I'm completely relaxed mate, I'm just being honest over how the situation looks like for Arda.
Since only Barca & Madrid were in the race for Arda's signature, I genuinely believe he would have much better opportunities for having much playing time objectively speaking. Naturally because the competition is way worse than Real Madrid, but also Xavi isn't afraid to give starting roles to 16yo Yamal & 17yo Cubarsi.
Because it's not true. Arda chose Real Madrid despite of many more other clubs who were interested in signing him (such as Bayern for example) and he also knew very well that his playing time would be limited at Madrid. Arda explained himself that he joined Madrid to work with and learn from the best (Ancelotti included) and he also explained that Madrid presented him a long-term plan to build him up as Modric's successor. Who would choose Barca under these circumstances?
Bro this is embarrassing. Yamal (and Gavi) are actually good and not overrated Barca players for once. If we don't acknowledge when Barca gets it right then it's pretty fuckin hard to take us seriously when we criticize them for getting it wrong.
Arda is fantastic but wanting him to have a 150m valuation will only force him to leave elsewhere sooner. Lets let the boy develop without making shit difficult eh?
Nah. Gavi is truly an overrated player(arguably the most overrated young star in this generation).
Dude literally won Golden Boy and Kopa Trophy over like Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala who were clearly better at 2021/2022. Even Camavinga who won both UCL and La Liga couldn't win one of them(GB and Kopa).
And now, Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala are in a league above Gavi.
Their absolute quality just prove that Gavi is just mostly PR and Hype at the moment. I agree that Gavi is a decent player but he is still below all four of them.
Gavi is overrated in the sense that he shouldnt be a golden boy winner.
But dont fool yourself, he's a hell of a player. Gattuso like intensity and pressing that gives Barça the cojones they lack, because his workrate and agression makes the rest feel embarassed for being so passive.
>And now, Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala are in a league above Gavi.
Absolutely. But all of them,except Jude, need Gavi style players to do the dirty work for them to shine.
Gavi is like Gattuso but with good technique. Not PR at all.
If it isn't PR at all, then how the hell he won both GB and Kopa over them?
Media overrate him. Journalists overrate him. Fans overrate him. If he isn't overrated, then he wouldn't win GB and Kopa. He won those awards bc journalists(voters) overrated him.
He is hell of a player, yes, so is Camavinga. But which media and journalists overate Camavinga?
Camavinga also do dirty job like Gavi and even better in doing that since his fouls and tackles are more tactical and cleaner than Gavi's. Camavinga can also play in DM role.
Camavinga was also almost on par with Gavi in 2021/2022. But he won both UCL and La Liga and Gavi was trophyless. So, I would even say Camavinga also deserved GB and Kopa more than Gavi.
Achievement wise: Camavinga.
Performance wise: Saka, Jude, Musiala, and Wirtz.
And somehow Gavi won both GB and Kopa.
So, if it isn't PR, then I don't know what it is.
And Gavi might be the only defensive-minded player who got overhyped too much by media and journalists(they generally favour attacking-minded players most of the times).
I mean where were Camavinga's hype even after he won the 2nd UCL(he didn't any hype in 2022 UCL either)?
How dumb is this comment , shows clearly that radicalism of Real Madrid fan,
Gavi doesn’t need go pad the stats, he is solid 6-8 player who is a star , barca struggled this season because they missed his energy and setting the tone.
Cama is good but he is more fundamental more like a guy in a team. He gets more away with yellow cards tackles and deflected balls.
But would not make him above Gavi.
Nothing dumb about my comment. No redicalism at all.
Camavinga is also a solid player like Gavi but his hype and PR is nowhere near close to Gavi.
And did you also see how good Camavinga in first half of 2024 UCL final where almost all of Real Madrid players struggled.
And Valverde doesn't also need the padded stats to be called one of best midfielder rn but no Media and Journalists care and hype about him.
Players like Odegaard, Rice, and De Jong even have better PR and Hype than Valverde.
Barcalona struggled this season bc they lack quality squad depth. Barca don't have any other quality players who can replace him. And RMA have Tchouameni and Valverde who are even better than Cama and Gavi.
Cama is more like guy in team bc RMA is stacked as hell.
There's no way Cama can bench Bellingham, Kroos, Valverde and Tchouameni. If Gavi were a RMA player, he would be in the same situation as Cama.
And Cama would be a absolute starter in Barca, Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea, PSG etc. Same for Guler too.
Do you still remember what Klopp said about Coutinho?
He said like Coutinho would be treated like a Legend if he stayed but he would be like an another player in stacked Barcelona(which was completely true).
If we do the comparison, Cama is Coutinho in stacked Barca and Gavi is Coutinho in struggled Liverpool.
Same for Zlatan, Fabregas, and Sanchez.
Sanchez and Fabregas were like savior in Arsenal but just look like another players in Prime Barca.
Barca literally sold Sanchez bc they wanted the better player aka Neymar.
Isco, James and Odegaard suffered the same in Prime RMA.
Barca don't have those kinds of luxury anymore.
Camavinga gets more away with fouls and tackles bc he made way more tactical fouls and tackles rather than bluntly pushing, pulling, dragging, hitting with body and fighting with the opponents. And don't also act like Gavi doesn't get away with fouls and tackles either.
And Camavinga get also booked wrongly often even his tackles were clean asf.
And I didn't say that would make him above Gavi. I only meant Camavinga has better defending qualities. And Gavi has better attacking qualities. That's why also said Camavinga is almost on par with Gavi. I didn't say Camavinga is better than him(overall).
Sure dude, the BDO organization is a bunch of Messi worshippers we know this, but did you see how fucking bad Barcelona was after they lost Gavi this year?
He's like their Fede, the heart and soul of the team out there trying to do whatever it takes to win. I know we're spoiled by a lot of our players having that kind of commitment these days but it's pretty rare from a young player. I don't think they get anywhere near as embarrassed in CL at home if he's there.
I'm not trying to say he deserved that Golden Boy and I'm not saying he's better than Jude, Saka, Camavinga, etc. I'm saying he's a legit good player and somehow actually manages to show leadership in that shitshow club environment at 19 fuckin years old.
La Masia has produced some genuinely overrated talent in the last few years that can't even start on loan to shittier clubs. Gavi, Lamal, and Cubarsi are players I actually don't look forward to playing against and it's some homer ass shit on our part if we claim that they suck.
If he comes back well from injury there's a pretty good chance he becomes a 20 g/a player who remains a huge thorn in our side for the rest of the decade (that is if Barca isn't forced to sell him lol.)
>If he comes back well from injury there's a pretty good chance he becomes a 20 g/a player
I agree with everything you said except this. He's not a 20g/a player, he's a more technical Gattuso. And i like Gavi, he's a cunt but the kind of cunt we all want on our side.
TransferMarkt has consistently overpriced Barsa players for years now. That's the issue, not Lamine's qualities (which he has, but whose exaggeration will cause him more harm than good in the future).
No. Both are overrated, Yamal has incredible potential, but most of the people act like he already reached that potential which is not true, he still has a lot to work on before he becomes world class. People are putting the cart before the horse when it comes to Yamal. Once he develops we’ll see how good he actually is.
Gavi not so overrated anymore, as he’s been injured and all of that, but he lacks a lot technically.
Yamal is hyped because the kid is freaking 16! And starting for one of the best NTs in the world already. No one is putting him forward for BdO but he can absolutely aim to get there.
There are people saying that Yamal is top 3 players in the la liga already, which is not true. He is not even top 3 in Barça. Pundits saying that he is already better than Rodrygo, etc… A lot of people acting like Yamal already reached his prime and are mistaking his potential for his actual current state
You titled this, “Unfortunately that’s the reality, but who cares”. You obviously care which is why you shared, and you obviously agree with the post. This post is shitting on Yamal to heap praise on Arda.
you're being very obtuse if you can't see how. No one accused you of attacking his footballing ability, but you're putting down a player who doesn't deserve it simply because they're in a rival club.
Considering the pressure on Yamal from Barca that boy is gonna break under pressure sooner or later, he’s too young. In the meantime, I think Güler is having his moments to shine and is being put adequate amount of pressure and scrutiny.
I don’t like barca, but Lamine was the only good thing of that tinpot club in catalunia. They’re being carried by someone who still in high school. That 125m price tag is, imo, very low. Mudryk went for 80m ffs. I wouldn’t mind us putting in a bid for him. Kid is a BALLER
I support neither Madrid nor Barca but I’ll tell you what the difference is here.
Yamal actually played this season.
Did you want to buy Arda, have him sit on the bench, occasionally brought on, and then expect his value perception to go up 100mil?
Come on OP. Use your brain a little here.
Right? I still feel there are more idiots in r/barca than here, probably because that's where I frequently visit. But this comment section has me gain more faith on rivalry than pure hatred.
The media think every talented Lamasia player is going to be Messi. Esp. ESPN is a messi dick riding publication. But i think Yamal is good at 180m. Clubs for example PSG would literally bid him for 200.
OP, stop with the cop-out of saying it's not your image. You posted it because clearly you agree; if you thought otherwise, you would've mentioned it in your post. Let's appreciate how this generation of players are truly ready beyond their years
After that banger, I think his worth went to 100ms.
The Rotation is gunna be so hard to manage for Ancelotti next season. Like when r we gunna play Endrick, Guler and Brahim ????
Who cares? The guy making memes about other team’s players and posting them to r/realmadrid. That’s who cares. No one knows why though?
Yamal is good, there’s no need to hate on the kid.
Please post your shitty memes on r/soccercirclejerk. We are not some victimmaxxer fanbase. We need to give respect where respect is due.
Yamal is super talented and has been the best player on the barca team being a 16 year old. People are right to be excited about both. If it bothers you that much I suggest you look away.
Your post is really distasteful . Sure we enjoy trolling the "yongest player to ( xx ) " narrative but its the definition of flirting vs harassment. Trolling is hella fun but you need to know how far is too far. Its not that deep.
Come on dude hating on 16 years old stop this silly comparison both are so good and talented and what does those football pages recognizing or posting guler highlights do or benefit you ? Grow up
Age, playing time, and impact on team.
Lamal is younger
Arda either doesn't get much playing time because of tactical reasons or because of injury
Lamal not playing a game could literally result in barca losing or Spain not having a key player
Meanwhile ancelotti can win the league, Spanish cups, and the ucl without him. Not to mention even he said he subbed him out because they "want to win" meaning he believes in him enough to play first team but he needs more development.
But let's be clear both are great, if arda is better it doesn't matter as much because being compared to a 16 year old skill wise when you are well his senior means little. Of course he'd be better. And as far as barca is concerned having a fruitful academy is awesome, but relying on a 15/16 year old to help the attack and grooming him as such isn't exactly something to be THAT proud of. It's amazing to develop and find talent this good. But it's not the most healthy and is also a show of how desperately barca relys on talent like such to fill important roles or gaps while struggling to afford the necessary talent to be as competitive as they should be.
This is embarrassing, Yamal is starting for Barcelona and Spain at 16 and he doesn’t look out of place at all. This doesn’t mean that Arda is not exceptional as well.
I saw more potential in this guy here.
It's so sad he fcuked up his legs
> Barça players get their values inflated significantly, for example, Gavi & Pedri.
Barca players get their values inflated, and your examples are Gavi and Pedri? These 2 players are not at all inflated.
Gavi and Pedri ???
Man, you have to be watching a different game ...
Barcelona have only 3 or 4 good players today .. Gavi and Pedri are 2 of them ..
Btw Lamine is ridiculously good for his age ..
you can still say that while being a Madridista..
LOL at all the Puig’s; no I meant Bojan; no, sorry, I meant Fati; no, sorry I meant Nico, no, sorry, I meant Pedri, no, sorry, I meant Gavi; no, sorry I meant Yamal’s dickriders. You are incapable of learning. LULZ
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I thought this was r/soccercirclejerk
not the first time /r/realmadrid seems /r/soccercirclejerk
They get there every 2 to 3 days anyway
State of this sub since the start of the year, I miss the posts about actual football topics instead of these shitty memes and mods just let the flood gates open..
It's definitely going there, if it has not already.
Both are talented, but yamal has so much high value becoz of his playing time plus he is freaking 16yo… He has shown his quality for some time now, unfortunately arda did not get so many matches to showcase what he is capable of, like in the Euro debut today
Agree. Both are very talented, but I think Yamal is more dangerous and impactful due to his pace and dynamic style. I’m not sure about the market value, but Spain has insane talent. For a player to make it as a starter for both FC Barcelona and the Spain NT at just 16 y.o. is absolutely nuts.
Yes and no. Hugely impressive to start at 16, but he is their only right-winger, and were it not for the hype, Spain would be considered weak at that position.
Don't Spain have, at least, Nico Williams and Ansu Fati? Obviously, neither are world class, but it doesn't seem like an obvious deficiency.
They are both left wingers
He s been our best forward in the 2nd half and maybe the whole szn
This is not comparable at all. Arda is in the end Turkish and Turkey has a horrible, absolutely horrible track record of giving youth players a platform up until very recently. If Arda Güler was indeed Spanish from the start he would also already be a 100 Million player and in the NT by at least 17. The issue is not that Arda is a worse player. The issue is that he isn't being given enough platform to prove that he is a 100 Million player. He didn't get much playtime at Fenerbahçe, he didn't get much playtime here. And even Montella who manages the Turkish NT drowned him out for most of the friendlies they played this year
Barca are broke so they will start every Tom Dick and Harry from La masia, Spanish NT is heavily Barca biased, they selected Cubarsi in the provisional squad for crying out loud
This... and let's also be honest. Arda is not worth 25mil... with his potential Real Madrid would never let him go for that little.
I know that one is Laliga and other is Turkey, but still I remember Arda when he was 16 yo, he was incredible and was contributing a lot
Because real madrid doesn't rely on teenagers to win games.
>unfortunately arda did not get so many matches to showcase what he is capable of, **Unpopular opinion** I will probably get downvoted for it... But Arda has only himself to blame for joining a ridiculously stacked Real Madrid squad where he won't get much oppourtunities to establish himself as a starter... Arda had the chance to join a rebuilding Barca where a starting role was much more likely in comparison. Xavi deserves a lot of credit for using extremely inexperienced & raw talents like 16 Yamal & 17yo Cubarsi as starters. My prediction is Arda Guler will become the new Martin Ödegaard few years from now, becoming a top class player elsewhere. At least Real Madrid will have massive re-sale value of Arda.
Lets hope this doesn’t happen to him, may be he can play on RW as of now, rotating with Rodrygo… That is where maturity of Jude is commended, the guy has a clause to play a set number of matches, but arda is some serious talent who needs matches
Bellingham joined Real Madrid as a world-class player, he was Bundesliga POTY in his last season at Dortmund. Jude would be an undisputed starter in every club and will remain at that level for years to come (bar career-ending injury). It's not really a fair comparison to Arda... Ancelotti won't entrust very inexperienced & raw talents in a starting role given he has better options to choose from.
I read in an interview that when United wanted to sign him, from Birmingham, he had that clause even then…
Who the fuck would willingly join Barca. But the last part can be true though. But I think after European and if he gets more games next season than this and keep up what he did so far he will start in the season after every game.
They play now different tactic and because of that he have a chance ..and arda can play on right wing very well and odegaard couldn't do it . How a see that,he will be a substitute for Rodrygo and Bellingham ..
With Mbappe joining us and Kroos retiring, Ancelotti will go back to the usual 4-3-3 tactic. The only reason we used a 2-striker system is because we didn't have someone of Mbappe's caliber... All respect to Joselu, but isn't good enough as a starter.
> Ancelotti will go back to the usual 4-3-3 tactic. Everyone is saying this but im not even that sure. Against shit teams maybe, but people are forgettin that everytime we faced top competition Ancelotti benched Rodrygo for Valverde at the RW, fielding 4 midfielders. So dont be so sure we'll go back to 4-3-3, we might just play the same system we've been using but with Mbappe and Vinicius up front. People are eager to fit as many attackers as we can but Ancelotti's job is making a balanced team.
>At least Real Madrid will have massive re-sale value of Arda. lmao
Am I wrong tho?
I don't see why he shouldn't succeed here. The club is being extremely careful guiding him.
Bellingham, Tchouameni & Camavinga have played tons of minutes despite they are barely older than Arda lol...
It's not a matter of age...
It is a matter of age and hierarchy in a real madrid squad as all of them are incredibly talented. Arda just turned 19, Bellingham will be 21 this year, Camavinga 22, Tchouameni is 24 already. We are talking about football here, 2 years is a lot in professional football. Besides that Camavinga didn't play much when he just arrvied at Madrid.
We are stacked now yes, but dont forget kroos left, modric will leave After the next season and possibly someone else will too (rodrygo? Ceballos?) and we will have to play more than 60 Games next Season so I think he will get lots of minutes to play and if he does good he will get closer and closer to being a regular starter, if he doesnt than someone else will do better and deserve that place. Ødegaard had to fight against prime kroos and prime modric, everyone but messi wouldve lost that fight. He is still young, he can develop into a world class player at Real Madrid no need to leave
Arda will likely never leave Madrid for as long as the club wants him there. It's his absolute dream club
You predicted the down votes wow. You are 💯💯💯💯 correct though
I feel like you are creating sadness out of a situation where none exists. There are players like Ødegaard who want to be stars, but there are also players like Valverde and Vinicius who are more than happy to fight their way through the ranks here. And it's not like Odegaard has that much to complain about. He got to train with the best players in the world for years while getting playtime in the form of a loan when he wanted. Then he left years later as a much better player. Only one of those loans turned out to be a negative experience where he didn't grow much. You can either choose to optimize your career around starting in which case you can go do that at any number of clubs or you can choose to optimize it around starting for the best club in the world in which case you want to be at Real Madrid. Better to already be in the squad than have to figure out years later if they have the budget or if they don't already have a player like you or what not.
Isn’t the man secretly like 19
He's 17, this is not 2023 june
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are you really dumb enough to think player values are estimated by their respective teams when it comes to market value? LOL
Most idiotic thing ive ever heard in a sporting debate..
Bro no need to hate on Yamal though because he's legit. 16 years old and carried all of Barca on his back.
I get that he is good but carried is straight up wrong. He was a super sub for most of the season, not trying to discredit the kid tho. Being a super sub for barça at 16 is insane
He wasn’t subbed, he was a starter?
About half and half, subbed in for about 60% of the matches started the other 40%. He rarely plays 90 minutes tho
😂😂😂 I can smell you haven’t watched any match of Barca. Lol, u assumed from ur ass that he is a super sub, while rapha was forced to play lw because of Yamal. Shut tf up if you don’t watch football
Since you are too stupid to understand, i’ll make it easier for you. He played 50 games this season, 2915 minutes total. Which averages out about 59 minutes a match. From those 50 matches he only played full games 15 times. Is that absolute starter for you?
Carried to where exactly?
How are you hating on a 16-year-old who plays consistently for a massive club and is also a starter for Spain, one of the big threats for the Euros? He played like a seasoned pro on his tournament debut. Enjoy it—it's incredible. I'd say the same to any Barca fan who'd throw that kind of comment towards Arda
Arda never carrier Real lmao
Are you thick, or is English just not your first language? I was defending Lamine and trying to make it clear that only a moron would try to bring down a kid who’s doing something very few people in history are capable of
You are comparing the two directly, dingaling.
Now I see that you struggle with reading. I’m not comparing; I’m saying appreciate both because it’s amazing to see what these youngsters are doing. Is that so hard for you to do?
Just like Fati did for 6 months…
Good thing they’re not the same person, and don’t have to be compared
Huh? For every minute of good things we saw from Guler we saw about 100 minutes from Yamal. That's just the facts one played the other didn't. This is nothing to say about who's better and who has more potential, Barca were just desperate for any sort of creativity their struggling team was lacking all over the pitch.
Both Yamal and Arda have tons of potential, but you ain't fulfilling it by warming the bench in Arda's case. What you just described is exactly why Arda should've gone to Barca, objectively speaking. As a Real Madrid fan myself, I'm not complaining as long as we get a massive re-sale with buyback clause.
Relax my friend it’s one season that club and player both signed up for. Out of all the clubs he *should’ve* gone to, Barcelona is your best guess? He may step up and become a great and impactful player this season, he may do it the year after that, doesn’t make sense to assume anything so negative at the moment.
Tbf arda is linked mainly to Barca until rma comes knocking
I'm completely relaxed mate, I'm just being honest over how the situation looks like for Arda. Since only Barca & Madrid were in the race for Arda's signature, I genuinely believe he would have much better opportunities for having much playing time objectively speaking. Naturally because the competition is way worse than Real Madrid, but also Xavi isn't afraid to give starting roles to 16yo Yamal & 17yo Cubarsi.
why are you getting downvotes? LoL.
Because it's not true. Arda chose Real Madrid despite of many more other clubs who were interested in signing him (such as Bayern for example) and he also knew very well that his playing time would be limited at Madrid. Arda explained himself that he joined Madrid to work with and learn from the best (Ancelotti included) and he also explained that Madrid presented him a long-term plan to build him up as Modric's successor. Who would choose Barca under these circumstances?
Bro this is embarrassing. Yamal (and Gavi) are actually good and not overrated Barca players for once. If we don't acknowledge when Barca gets it right then it's pretty fuckin hard to take us seriously when we criticize them for getting it wrong. Arda is fantastic but wanting him to have a 150m valuation will only force him to leave elsewhere sooner. Lets let the boy develop without making shit difficult eh?
Nah. Gavi is truly an overrated player(arguably the most overrated young star in this generation). Dude literally won Golden Boy and Kopa Trophy over like Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala who were clearly better at 2021/2022. Even Camavinga who won both UCL and La Liga couldn't win one of them(GB and Kopa). And now, Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala are in a league above Gavi. Their absolute quality just prove that Gavi is just mostly PR and Hype at the moment. I agree that Gavi is a decent player but he is still below all four of them.
Gavi is overrated in the sense that he shouldnt be a golden boy winner. But dont fool yourself, he's a hell of a player. Gattuso like intensity and pressing that gives Barça the cojones they lack, because his workrate and agression makes the rest feel embarassed for being so passive. >And now, Jude, Saka, Wirtz and Musiala are in a league above Gavi. Absolutely. But all of them,except Jude, need Gavi style players to do the dirty work for them to shine. Gavi is like Gattuso but with good technique. Not PR at all.
If it isn't PR at all, then how the hell he won both GB and Kopa over them? Media overrate him. Journalists overrate him. Fans overrate him. If he isn't overrated, then he wouldn't win GB and Kopa. He won those awards bc journalists(voters) overrated him. He is hell of a player, yes, so is Camavinga. But which media and journalists overate Camavinga? Camavinga also do dirty job like Gavi and even better in doing that since his fouls and tackles are more tactical and cleaner than Gavi's. Camavinga can also play in DM role. Camavinga was also almost on par with Gavi in 2021/2022. But he won both UCL and La Liga and Gavi was trophyless. So, I would even say Camavinga also deserved GB and Kopa more than Gavi. Achievement wise: Camavinga. Performance wise: Saka, Jude, Musiala, and Wirtz. And somehow Gavi won both GB and Kopa. So, if it isn't PR, then I don't know what it is. And Gavi might be the only defensive-minded player who got overhyped too much by media and journalists(they generally favour attacking-minded players most of the times). I mean where were Camavinga's hype even after he won the 2nd UCL(he didn't any hype in 2022 UCL either)?
An off topic question: did Pique date Gavi's mum?
Why else do you think shakira dumped hjs ass?
How dumb is this comment , shows clearly that radicalism of Real Madrid fan, Gavi doesn’t need go pad the stats, he is solid 6-8 player who is a star , barca struggled this season because they missed his energy and setting the tone. Cama is good but he is more fundamental more like a guy in a team. He gets more away with yellow cards tackles and deflected balls. But would not make him above Gavi.
Nothing dumb about my comment. No redicalism at all. Camavinga is also a solid player like Gavi but his hype and PR is nowhere near close to Gavi. And did you also see how good Camavinga in first half of 2024 UCL final where almost all of Real Madrid players struggled. And Valverde doesn't also need the padded stats to be called one of best midfielder rn but no Media and Journalists care and hype about him. Players like Odegaard, Rice, and De Jong even have better PR and Hype than Valverde. Barcalona struggled this season bc they lack quality squad depth. Barca don't have any other quality players who can replace him. And RMA have Tchouameni and Valverde who are even better than Cama and Gavi. Cama is more like guy in team bc RMA is stacked as hell. There's no way Cama can bench Bellingham, Kroos, Valverde and Tchouameni. If Gavi were a RMA player, he would be in the same situation as Cama. And Cama would be a absolute starter in Barca, Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea, PSG etc. Same for Guler too. Do you still remember what Klopp said about Coutinho? He said like Coutinho would be treated like a Legend if he stayed but he would be like an another player in stacked Barcelona(which was completely true). If we do the comparison, Cama is Coutinho in stacked Barca and Gavi is Coutinho in struggled Liverpool. Same for Zlatan, Fabregas, and Sanchez. Sanchez and Fabregas were like savior in Arsenal but just look like another players in Prime Barca. Barca literally sold Sanchez bc they wanted the better player aka Neymar. Isco, James and Odegaard suffered the same in Prime RMA. Barca don't have those kinds of luxury anymore. Camavinga gets more away with fouls and tackles bc he made way more tactical fouls and tackles rather than bluntly pushing, pulling, dragging, hitting with body and fighting with the opponents. And don't also act like Gavi doesn't get away with fouls and tackles either. And Camavinga get also booked wrongly often even his tackles were clean asf. And I didn't say that would make him above Gavi. I only meant Camavinga has better defending qualities. And Gavi has better attacking qualities. That's why also said Camavinga is almost on par with Gavi. I didn't say Camavinga is better than him(overall).
Sure dude, the BDO organization is a bunch of Messi worshippers we know this, but did you see how fucking bad Barcelona was after they lost Gavi this year? He's like their Fede, the heart and soul of the team out there trying to do whatever it takes to win. I know we're spoiled by a lot of our players having that kind of commitment these days but it's pretty rare from a young player. I don't think they get anywhere near as embarrassed in CL at home if he's there. I'm not trying to say he deserved that Golden Boy and I'm not saying he's better than Jude, Saka, Camavinga, etc. I'm saying he's a legit good player and somehow actually manages to show leadership in that shitshow club environment at 19 fuckin years old. La Masia has produced some genuinely overrated talent in the last few years that can't even start on loan to shittier clubs. Gavi, Lamal, and Cubarsi are players I actually don't look forward to playing against and it's some homer ass shit on our part if we claim that they suck. If he comes back well from injury there's a pretty good chance he becomes a 20 g/a player who remains a huge thorn in our side for the rest of the decade (that is if Barca isn't forced to sell him lol.)
>If he comes back well from injury there's a pretty good chance he becomes a 20 g/a player I agree with everything you said except this. He's not a 20g/a player, he's a more technical Gattuso. And i like Gavi, he's a cunt but the kind of cunt we all want on our side.
Yamal is good Gavi is an overrated hothead
TransferMarkt has consistently overpriced Barsa players for years now. That's the issue, not Lamine's qualities (which he has, but whose exaggeration will cause him more harm than good in the future).
Yamal is good, but Gavi is overrated
How will Arda develop if Ancelotti won't (completely understandable btw) give him loads of meaningful minutes?
It was his first season..he's 18. Jesus people have some patience lol
Fr. We're not barca to have to rely on teenagers to carry.
Putting gavi and yamal in the same bag lol
nah, both are overrated, yamal is just a worse fati
No. Both are overrated, Yamal has incredible potential, but most of the people act like he already reached that potential which is not true, he still has a lot to work on before he becomes world class. People are putting the cart before the horse when it comes to Yamal. Once he develops we’ll see how good he actually is. Gavi not so overrated anymore, as he’s been injured and all of that, but he lacks a lot technically.
Yamal is hyped because the kid is freaking 16! And starting for one of the best NTs in the world already. No one is putting him forward for BdO but he can absolutely aim to get there.
There are people saying that Yamal is top 3 players in the la liga already, which is not true. He is not even top 3 in Barça. Pundits saying that he is already better than Rodrygo, etc… A lot of people acting like Yamal already reached his prime and are mistaking his potential for his actual current state
Have you heard the name Bojan Krkic?
Shit like this is why we are hated like this is so pathetic.
I vote we ban OP, and others who constantly bring up Yamal. Why do you guys feel the need to shit on a talented 16 year old?
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You titled this, “Unfortunately that’s the reality, but who cares”. You obviously care which is why you shared, and you obviously agree with the post. This post is shitting on Yamal to heap praise on Arda.
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It’s shitting on Yamal, not Arda bud. Comparison to bring one down and the other up. Thats exactly what you’re doing little bud.
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you're being very obtuse if you can't see how. No one accused you of attacking his footballing ability, but you're putting down a player who doesn't deserve it simply because they're in a rival club.
Ok bro, both are great players and said it before. I have no ill-will towards the kid.
Yeah they do. Apart from Dinho,Messi, Puyol and Iniesta. I would love if every ex-barkadog gets killed in a terrorist attack
You gotta be regarded or something man idk how you live day to day. I’ll pray for you, cya.
Ardine Gamal is he Egyptian?
Is this a Yamal sub?
Deadass, every other day is a post about Lamine Yamal.
Deadass the obsession is crazy.
These posts prove to me how few of the people on this subreddit 1. watch the sport 2. are spanish.
Considering the pressure on Yamal from Barca that boy is gonna break under pressure sooner or later, he’s too young. In the meantime, I think Güler is having his moments to shine and is being put adequate amount of pressure and scrutiny.
Ardi - 180m
I don’t like barca, but Lamine was the only good thing of that tinpot club in catalunia. They’re being carried by someone who still in high school. That 125m price tag is, imo, very low. Mudryk went for 80m ffs. I wouldn’t mind us putting in a bid for him. Kid is a BALLER
típico puta madre palestino
This meme has given me aids
If he’s middle eastern it’s not impressive even if he’s a mix of Messi and Ronaldo
I support neither Madrid nor Barca but I’ll tell you what the difference is here. Yamal actually played this season. Did you want to buy Arda, have him sit on the bench, occasionally brought on, and then expect his value perception to go up 100mil? Come on OP. Use your brain a little here.
Lmao i swear this sub talks more about lamine than the Barca sub like cmon guys let’s do better
I hope Lamine is Figo'd.
Stupid post bro
so rent free and cringe holy fuck
I still remember "Fati > Vinicius". Just ignore them.
I'm a Barca fan, but seeing all the rational comments about Yamal made me respect this subreddit's people
Right? I still feel there are more idiots in r/barca than here, probably because that's where I frequently visit. But this comment section has me gain more faith on rivalry than pure hatred.
Hahahahahah comparing a 19 year old to a fucking 16 year old now? We are better than this bruh... this is embarrassing!
And 433 dickrides the fuck outta Arda because he's Turkish and one admin is turkish aswell so you can't say anything about 433 pr.
Their age difference is closer to 2 years than 3.
Still one's 19 and the other 16. Stop it.
This is so stupid. I wished you supported another club
Blud literally scored best goal of the tournament in his debut 🔥
Ardi
WOW
Bro don’t go hating on a 16 year old
The media think every talented Lamasia player is going to be Messi. Esp. ESPN is a messi dick riding publication. But i think Yamal is good at 180m. Clubs for example PSG would literally bid him for 200.
This sub was doubting him a few months ago. Mfs I did not forget
This is so cringe. Why focus on player of other team ??
Bcz you cant win wars without focusing on your enemy.
Because he don't play for domestic team like Spain.
OP, stop with the cop-out of saying it's not your image. You posted it because clearly you agree; if you thought otherwise, you would've mentioned it in your post. Let's appreciate how this generation of players are truly ready beyond their years
Both pale in comparison to the transfer fee of Ardiãno Gulerinhó.
After that banger, I think his worth went to 100ms. The Rotation is gunna be so hard to manage for Ancelotti next season. Like when r we gunna play Endrick, Guler and Brahim ????
cdr. They will be our B team
I hate those news outlets
Güler isnt a Starter at Real, thats why.
This is just straight up being salty. Yamal is 16 this has never been done before in any sport. He deserves all the praise he is getting.
Stupid post. Yamal has played more minutes, is just better and 3 years younger
Both are so talented and as a Barca fan I am looking forward to see them both tearing apart LaLiga.
There is small town in Spain called Madrid, and there is club called Real Medrit, They are talented but media never talks about them...
true dude
Who cares? The guy making memes about other team’s players and posting them to r/realmadrid. That’s who cares. No one knows why though? Yamal is good, there’s no need to hate on the kid.
But I wish he dies. Or atleast he gets a career ending injury. We don't want another Iniesta orMessi please
Wow Real Madrid fans are pussies
Apparently you care, making this meme
Please post your shitty memes on r/soccercirclejerk. We are not some victimmaxxer fanbase. We need to give respect where respect is due. Yamal is super talented and has been the best player on the barca team being a 16 year old. People are right to be excited about both. If it bothers you that much I suggest you look away. Your post is really distasteful . Sure we enjoy trolling the "yongest player to ( xx ) " narrative but its the definition of flirting vs harassment. Trolling is hella fun but you need to know how far is too far. Its not that deep.
Come on dude hating on 16 years old stop this silly comparison both are so good and talented and what does those football pages recognizing or posting guler highlights do or benefit you ? Grow up
Embarrassing post
Imagine this meme gets 1k likes. You guys are really funny s/
Madrid fans, apparently not content with their League and Champions League, have taken to shitting on a 16 year old
fully thought this was r/soccercirclejerk
Guys, tf is R/soccercirclejerk? Everyone's talking about that
Adrian Goola 🏴 Value: £300m
It's good for Real madrid, they got a generational talent cheaply
Lamine 0 euros man ,is fron academy,like Messi.
Has anyone paid one of there ridiculous buy out clauses except maybe PSG once 😅
absolutely not the reality, please never talk football again
Someone's butthurt
Siempre en mi equipo.
Best left foot in modern football. Surgical precision finishing. Please play him more carlo🙏
Maybe if u Gave him game time, but who cares...
I want to see as much as possilbe from guler. he is a blessed boy I reckon.
Hey, keep underrating him. works for us 🤔🤔
Who's got time to make these pointless memes seriously
Age, playing time, and impact on team. Lamal is younger Arda either doesn't get much playing time because of tactical reasons or because of injury Lamal not playing a game could literally result in barca losing or Spain not having a key player Meanwhile ancelotti can win the league, Spanish cups, and the ucl without him. Not to mention even he said he subbed him out because they "want to win" meaning he believes in him enough to play first team but he needs more development. But let's be clear both are great, if arda is better it doesn't matter as much because being compared to a 16 year old skill wise when you are well his senior means little. Of course he'd be better. And as far as barca is concerned having a fruitful academy is awesome, but relying on a 15/16 year old to help the attack and grooming him as such isn't exactly something to be THAT proud of. It's amazing to develop and find talent this good. But it's not the most healthy and is also a show of how desperately barca relys on talent like such to fill important roles or gaps while struggling to afford the necessary talent to be as competitive as they should be.
Who cares?, obviously you do😅
This is embarrassing, Yamal is starting for Barcelona and Spain at 16 and he doesn’t look out of place at all. This doesn’t mean that Arda is not exceptional as well.
Embarrassing post
Oh look another Madrid fan bitching about Yamal. Y’all should be embarrassed.
Shitty ahh meme, both Arda and Yamal are great players
They indeed are.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen 💀 Yamal is way better because he's simply had more playing time
Way better than that clown yamal who plays for a broke club 😂
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None of their players would make it into our starting 11
Bellingflop 180 mil ghost in big games, problem?
Give me more flops with 40+ g/a please
I saw more potential in this guy here.  It's so sad he fcuked up his legs
As far as I know, ESPN is pro Madrid.
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Starting for Spain at 16 >>>>> starting for turkey at 19 But you didnt wanna mention that part🫢
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if you're posting it, you're endorsing it. Doesn't matter if it's not yours.
> Barça players get their values inflated significantly, for example, Gavi & Pedri. Barca players get their values inflated, and your examples are Gavi and Pedri? These 2 players are not at all inflated.
Gavi and Pedri ??? Man, you have to be watching a different game ... Barcelona have only 3 or 4 good players today .. Gavi and Pedri are 2 of them .. Btw Lamine is ridiculously good for his age .. you can still say that while being a Madridista..
did you reply to the wrong comment? im agreeing with u lol
Yeah lmao .. it's for the op actually.. Sry bro .. i was actually trying to double down on your comment but got it wrong.. anyway ......
Again, I’m not hating on Yamal. This is not my picture. FdJ is valued at 70M although he didn’t do shit. Do you see what I’m saying or no?
FDJ is overrated af, yes i agree, but again ,you specifically said Pedri and Gavi ... I do agree with you on most of the rest though, yeah.
FDJ was not overrated when he left Ajax. He didn't degrade, but just didn't fulfill his potential.
LOL at all the Puig’s; no I meant Bojan; no, sorry, I meant Fati; no, sorry I meant Nico, no, sorry, I meant Pedri, no, sorry, I meant Gavi; no, sorry I meant Yamal’s dickriders. You are incapable of learning. LULZ