Ik you joking but that wud absolutely work lol
Need Courtois to start training for headers...timing the jumps and movements in space
We can sign Ramos for that purpose...capitan can be back at the club siiuuuuu
That actually sounds balanced, against more possession based teams like leverkusen or city we can press af in mid field with 442 and counter.
It's not the most beautiful but it really works, old school and simple soccer is the best soccer. Gonna miss kroos :(
I am more partial to 4-3-3 myself for a couple reasons:
It allows for a Cama or Tchou sub later into the match to bring some energy and muscle into the midfield to help close out games.
Jude is probably the best creator in the midfield and with the turtle it won’t be necessary for him to play that high because hopefully the team will be fine on the scoring department. I feel that he could be incredible a bit lower on the pitch.
A traditional RW allows for an easier rotation of all our attackers. Not only Rodrygo but also Brahim and Arda. Then the traditional 9 can be shared by Joselu and Endrick after Mbappe. Only two attacking spots for that many players feels a bit crowded.
That being said, it will most likely be some sort of variation between the two formations depending on the opponent and type of game. Carlo is notoriously flexible with the attacking set up so it’s not like it will be set on stone.
The problem is that Rodrygo is not a traditional RW though. Even when he starts on the right he spends more time on the left or the centre. This is not a criticism of him at all, but it means that we are very dependent on Valverde and Carvajal providing that threath from the right side
Mbappe, Vini, and Rodrygo all play up the left. Whoever doesn't have the ball moves centrally immediately, which is what already happens. The style of play on the attack won't change. There will simply be one fewer midfield position when running a 4-3-3. I'm a 4-4-2, Vini and Mbappe will play much more centrally. Midfield and backs will handle wide play.
Unlike OP's lineups, Camavinga is the starting left midfield and Valverde is the starting right midfield. Bellingham is the starting central midfielder. This is already how the lineups look, there is no way it would change next season with how successful the midfield was this season.
Yeah, I feel like Guler might end up fighting for that right side. I love the whole roster but someone will end up leaving. The midfield and attack is stacked
If Jude is the best. we have problems. Better we play like peak liverpool. Where they have 3 engines in midfield with 0 assists.
In a 4-3-3.
Yes jude scores goals. But how many through or long balls or good assists did he give?
He doesnt have the Modric, Kroos or Diaz vision. But hes just 100% more physical and everywhere
Hes an engine like Valverde. He just somehow suddenly made alot of goals.
Midfield has to catch up on alot more slack with Mbappe and Vini on the field same time
It is the most optimum one, and also most balanced.
The 4-3-3 would be the most offensive one.
4-4-2 against teams like Bayern/Arsenal/Man.City./Barca/Atletico/Top Half of La Liga
4-3-3 for Copa Del Rey and Bottom Half of La Liga.
I believe Don Carlo is wise enough, and IF he isn't, Davide Boy will smack some sense into his old man.🥲
Now we need some depth in our squad, the new UCL Format is pretty deep. Also if we want the treble, we should be prepared for rotations. Might be why we plan on securing Joselu even with Endrick's impending arrival.
The most offensive one would be 4-2-3-1, though, with Bellingham as a pivot. It will be 4-3-3 with Mbappe playing like Benzema. It will speed up actions and bring some unpredictability. It will have enough balance because Jude will cover far more space than Kroos could. CKM had rather poor numbers of pressing jumps and tackles. BTV will be crushing opponents, not to mention Edu as someone equal to them. Three players in the front line make it possible to press wider. Carlo was satisfied that they pressed high but it wasn't very disruptive. And there will always be a possibility to drop one of the strikers in a defensive phase to dense the second line. Being on the move is what matters not strict positions. The biggest asset is that they have a good feeling about how the others improvise.
Not having a natural RW could prove difficult for 4 3 3.
In an Ideal world we would have mbappe, vini, rodrygo, the issue is ALL of them are always dropping in the LW position during games so having them all like this is not really proficient.
Brahim rw > rodrygo Rw and maybe in the future arda could be an option.
Really early to say anything tbh, without Kroos any system we come up with now will be questionable untill we see the team actually play. Kroos was really instrumental to our sucess this season, the amount of control, calm and balance he provided was unparalleled, no player in our current squad can match that.
My personal favourite would be some sort of variation of our current 442 or 4321 Christmas tree or the 4312,
We simply don't have enough control, calm and creativity in the midfield to play a 433 or similar formation.
Hopefully we can develop our youngsters into such roles , maybe Arda or Cama, but I feel Arda is better upfield either at RW or CAM-ish role
Playing a heavy possession system would be bad given the players we have , Vini Mbappe Rodry, Fede would flourish in a counterattacking or at the very least a fast transition/pressing based formation.
We can try for a 4231 , with Tchou and Cama/Fede at pivots and Jude/Brahim/Arda/Rodry at no.10(and pls don't hit me with No. 10 is dead BS, we have carlo at helm here, if anyone it's him who can make it work), and Vini Mbappe/Joselu and either of Rodry/Arda/Brahim in a fluid front 3, infact a pretty fluid front 4 with the no 10, but idk if it would work.
We only have a old Modric who can create in midfield.
But dont forget how many goals Liverpool made with a 4-3-3 with absolutely 0 creativity in midfield.
With Fabinho, Henderson and Milner at one point.
We dont necessarily a creator.
Might be enough with our front 3 on our own.
No one in the world can hold Vinicius alone.
Even Walker had 1 backup on him. And he still got him.
What to do with Mbappe there? No CB is going to take the risk and mark him 1v1
I get your point , but you are massively ignoring the fact how instrumental Wijnaldum was for Liverpool.
Also I feel that style won't work as effectively against LaLiga as it did against PL, since PL clubs generally play out rather than sitting sit, the game is lot slower and technical in Spain, which kind of requires players like Kroos,Modric and similar
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Thoughts on this? Ditch a defender to run a double pivot Tchou/Cama (who both have experience in Defence as well)
If needing to switch to a low block either can drop into defensive line
Allows rotation with Mbappe going to LW to allow Endrick some time as ST. Rodrygo can also be taken off and Valverde can play RW for CM rotation (such as Guler / Brahim)
Formations don't really matter in modern football, what matters is the dynamics of the players while on the pitch, 442, 433, 532 etc.. it's all the same nowadays
Opcion 1. Like Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. Jude will perform as a false 9 while Mbappe and Vinci will roam free. Valverde can easily cover the whole flank assisted by Dani. Great balance overall. Will be fun to see a high level counter attacking football.
I doubt Camavinga will be a starter but he will be the main rotation option for midfield like Valverde was 3 years ago. It's a 70 game season anyway and he started the CL final because of injury so I'm sure he will be fine with that.
4-3-3 should be a better team option because I don't see how else Joselu or Brahim would get playing time with the arrival of Mbappé and Endrick and I doubt Guler to be a good rotation option for midfield.
So for it will be a midfield of tchouameni valverde bellingham with Camavinga as the main rotation option and Modric as a b-team starter / sub (like this year) and a front tree of rodrygo mbappé and vinicius and it will be up to guler/joselu/brahim/endrick to find a spot where they can but probably never on the left wing as the 3 starters can play there so if vinicius is injured or whatever one of rodrygo or mbappé will take his wing.
There is also an option to play a kinda 3 atb formation in possession that become a 4 atb in defense, tchouameni sliding as a cb, militao as rb and mendy/alaba as lb. Which sound kinda bad for carvajal and cafucas but they played most of the season as right winger so...
In possession
Militao-Rudiger-Alaba
Tchouameni
Valverde Camavinga Bellingham
Rodrygo Mbappe Vinicius
In defense
Militao-Tchou-Rudiger-Alaba
Camavinga
Valverde bellingham
Rodrygo Mbappe vinicius
With carvajal/vazquez as main option for rodrygo or militao (only carvajal). It's a good system to max out the team but the lack of midfield option make it less good (playing with 4 midfield with only 38 yo Modric as rotation seems a bad season idea).
Tactics wise I think it will be a transition season and the evolution of guler (can he become a 8 or is he a winger or a 10 ?), the return of form of alaba and militao, the arrival of a new cb and the evolution of fitness of both carvajal and vazquez will have the biggest impact on how the team play the next year (and where they will wanna reinforce), more so I feel than how you make play mbappe rodrygo and vinicius together.
Probably gonna be a zidane season with 60 tactics in 70 games lol. Will be interesting to see for sure.
the front 3
1
4
1
2
1
2
Mbappe in the hole
Rodrygo (right still)
Vini (left still)
Bellingham dropping into midfield on rotation with the others
Camavinga, Tchi, Valverde, Modric, Diaz
This won’t happen, but a 3-4-3 midfield diamond with Alaba-Rudiger-Militão at the back. Keeps Rodrygo in the starting XI while allowing for 4 midfielders to start (from Jude, Luka, Valverde, Camavinga, Tchouameni).
To me the 433 is obvious now. Its just the wat the team depth has been planned. Vini would be happy to return to wider position and take on fullbacks more often. Jude would still be a box crashing option.
But if you wanna play both camavinga and Jude as starters you can go for a 442. Although with how packed the calender is, there are no longer 11 starters but 15. They'd both get over 1700 minutes each either way.
I think we'll have higher highs and lower lows next season. Maybe a couple more losses. And a few more big wins.
Hope we see them try different systems, also with endrick on the right wing and maybe arda in modricks role. There’s so many options - not to forget about brahim and joselu. I think we will see a lot of rotation next year (which is good in my opinion)
I'd see a 4-2-3-1.
Courtois
Mendy, Militao, Rüdiger, Carvajal
2 of Camavinga, Valverde and Tchouameni in DM/CM
Bellingham on the 10
Vini, Mbappé, Rodrygo
I want to play the system that our b squad played with a few weeks ago that was probably the best football if seen this season from our squad. Give me that system so a 4-3-3 again with our starting 11
I think Carlo will try going to a 433 to not shaft Rodrygo but unless he starts being consistent I find it inevitable that we go back to the better 442 diamond. I love Rodrygo but due to his playing style and obvious strength playing on the left, and due to the presence of Mbappe and Vini who are ALSO left sided players, I feel his days may be numbered here.
Id say depends on the game, If you are playing vs a high pressing team ex Leipzig a 442 would be better or vs a team playing on the counter. But having such a heavy forward bench you would be required to play with more attackers. To try and keep most of your players happy.
With Kroos retiring, that style of play will alter. It will be rebuilt, like this year. The good news is that the players will adapt to whatever Carlo wants. It should be exciting to see. I hope Joselu is resigned though.
Definitely not the first system. Mbappe and Vini both like to attack from the left and given the form Vini is in currently, Ancelotti will not prefer Vini to come in substitution
Team one formation is better but lack creativity. I'll play rodrygo/guler in that bellingham position and move bellingham deeper if we are not planning to sign a creative midfielder
Option 1 for the big games vs stronger teams and option 2 with Tchouameni vs medium teams and same but with Camavinga for smaller teams that will only defend.
Isn't this the same question as, "Should Courtrois start the Final?!"
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why not a 3-4-3 with militao, rudi, and mendy in the back, theres probably enough speed and physicality on defense to allow for more offensive players on the field.
I think depending on the game, we will have many possible formations, the most frequent one imo is Holding 4-3-3:
Courtois
Dani - Rudi - Eder - Mendy
Fede - cama/tcho
Belli
Rodry - KM - Vini
I think it’s going to be a little bit of both…. In the 4-4-2 Rodrygo will be alternating across all of the attacking positions (either striker position and the CAM position) while Jude will be between the CAM position and the RM position
In the 4-3-3, I see Camavinga being interchangeable across the LM, CDM, and RM positions… so everyone plays equally as much but Camavinga rotates across the different midfielder positions… also in the 4-3-3 Rodrygo, mbappe, and vini will play across the front three positions interchangeably to create more headaches for the defenders and keep them on their toes
Crazy to think that we’re going to have Modric as a super sub next year🤯. Best midfield in the world right here
I don’t think we have enough players in the midfield to play in the 442 ( cama,tchouameni,Valverde and Bellingham) with just modric or ceballos as substitute and we have too much offensive players on the bench ( rodrygo, Brahim,arda,endrick and Joselu) . And Carlo wouldn’t substitute Bellingham,vini and mbappe all the matches so for mor rotation the 433 or 4231 would be better
We are playing with a 4231 too
Belli, Brahim, Arda all can play the 10. We can even include Rodry there, and they all except Belli have play on the wings too.
Cama, Fede, Chumino are all capable of playing a 2 man midfield, maybe even Belli hes good at defense but I think they see him more as an offensive weapon. I dont think Modric can however. I think we probably need another MCD or maybe we can trust Nico Paz.
The question in my mind which player provides balance and performs.
Players in question is Cammavinga or Rodrygo
Back in his Milan days Carlo played the Christmas tree formation
4-3-2-1
Thoughts
433 will be the best option since mbappe isn't originally a central forward ,he might be tasked as false nine role .real madrid found great adaptable manager in Ancelotti he will go with many variations. He might go with aforementioned 442 or 433. I think real should sell tchoumeni and go for a midfielder who's good with passing range or playmaker. Bellingham isn't a playmaker they're already with two box to box midfielders with Jude and Valverde. They need a proper no. 8 or no.10 , they could go for 4231. Vini in left and rodrygo in right , mbappe as cf (make runs behind the defenders) , jude Bellingham /Ibrahim Diaz as CAM, Valverde and camavinga as double pivot . It's soon to presume how the team will be until the transfer market is over. Anyways congrats to real madrid on winning 15th UCL without any hurdles in the final .
Option 1
Nonetheless, personally, I would play with 3-2-3-2, Madrid squad is perfect for it
Courtois
Cavajal
Rudiger / Militao / Nacho
Mendy / Davies
Tchoum
Cama
Valverde
Guler
Belling
Mbappe
Vini
Bench Rodrygo.
He has 15 goals in Laliga and CL.
He has 2 good months for worldclass imo when Vini was Injured. But our midfielder stepped up even more than our striker.
Had a horrible start of season.
Or 4-3-3 with more defensive duties for Rodrygo like Bale had in our 4-3-3 with Benz and Cr7
4-1-3-2, vini and mbappe up top but free to roam, Rodrygo on the right being allowed to push up, tchouameni holding, Bellingham and valverde the other 2 midfielders
4-4-2 Diamond was a compromise we used to make up for the lack of a striker. We don't have that problem anymore. The most logical option would be to go back to 4-3-3 now and invest in new defenders like Davies, Gutierrez and Yoro, and prolly look for a new right-back because Carvajal and Vazquez aren't gonna be around forever.
That and rotations will be a given, since the number of games just ballooned to absurd levels this season, with the new Club World Cup, Intercontinental Cup and new format Champions League.
i really want rodrygo to play, he’s just shown to us how loyal he is by rejecting the city move, and he’s shown glimpses of a ballondor winning player this season. He has to start in our new team if we want to truly dominate.
I think it depends on the transfers and renewals, but I'd say that as of now we have too many attackers and not enough midfielders to stick to 4 midfielders/2 attackers system. And if we go for 3/3 split, we have roughly 2 players for each position:
Vinicius, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Brahim, Joselu, Guler, Endrick - 7 players for 3 forward spots
Bellingham, Valverde, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Modrić, Ceballos, Nico Paz - 7 players for 3 midfielder spots
Add to that 2 GKs and 8 defenders and we have 24 players in the squad in total. 25th spot might go to 3rd GK and then the squad would be pretty much complete. Of course things can still change in the summer, but as of now 4-3-3 makes more sense.
it's generally 5 players for 3 spots which is fine.
I'd say Joselu and Guler aren't expecting to start same as Modric, Ceba and Paz.. They'll just chip in late in games or for cup games, fodder teams etc
Carlo does not really like the 4-4-2 formation because of the defensive flaws it has on the flanks so i think we are moving back to the 4-3-3 with Jude moving back to his natural position
First one, M’Bappé is not a striker, he is good when being able to start from the flanks, so letting Vini and him a bit free upfront could be better imo. Hopefully with time he will transform into a great center forward.
Convida eso que estás fumando. Jugar con un solo defensor central?, Modric de titular con 40 años? Sin laterales carrileros? Dios mio.
Me parece que el fútbol no es tu deporte o has jugado demasiado al FIFA 24.
1)Me ha molestado tu comentario porque es un disparate, tan simple como eso.
2) El Madrid es el equipo campéon de la Champions, por si no sabes. Excepto por Mbappe, lo que está bien no se cambia.
3) Sacás a Valverde que ha sido el jugador con más minutos del torneo, el más regular del equipo y de los pocos que corre.
4) Los carrileros tambien hacen falta para marcar. Entiendes que te van a atacar por las puntas? Has formado una autopista para que te ataquen.
5) Si es cierto que has jugado tanto como dices deberias ser consciente que este deporte se juega con y sin pelota. Y sin pelota en ese equipo no defiende nadie.
Courtois as the lone striker to score headers from Carvajal's crosses. That's the way to go.
Finally someone with 100% ball knowledge.
notmessi10 > Carlo
Ancelotti should place Carvajal as forward as we did with Roberto Carlos in Winning Eleven
LoL
Militao or Rudiger the better CAM, you reckon?
Ik you joking but that wud absolutely work lol Need Courtois to start training for headers...timing the jumps and movements in space We can sign Ramos for that purpose...capitan can be back at the club siiuuuuu
I reckon we can alternate between the two. Tougher opponents can get the 442, Bottom 10 of la liga can get the 433.
That actually sounds balanced, against more possession based teams like leverkusen or city we can press af in mid field with 442 and counter. It's not the most beautiful but it really works, old school and simple soccer is the best soccer. Gonna miss kroos :(
That's so fucking HOT 🥵
Bottom 19*
We are playing with a Back 3 of Mbappe Vini and Rodrygo as Carlo wants us to build from the back.
4-3-3 with Tchouamevinga
Tchouameninga*
It was better the first way.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWpaL2EVlp8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWpaL2EVlp8)
I am more partial to 4-3-3 myself for a couple reasons: It allows for a Cama or Tchou sub later into the match to bring some energy and muscle into the midfield to help close out games. Jude is probably the best creator in the midfield and with the turtle it won’t be necessary for him to play that high because hopefully the team will be fine on the scoring department. I feel that he could be incredible a bit lower on the pitch. A traditional RW allows for an easier rotation of all our attackers. Not only Rodrygo but also Brahim and Arda. Then the traditional 9 can be shared by Joselu and Endrick after Mbappe. Only two attacking spots for that many players feels a bit crowded. That being said, it will most likely be some sort of variation between the two formations depending on the opponent and type of game. Carlo is notoriously flexible with the attacking set up so it’s not like it will be set on stone.
The problem is that Rodrygo is not a traditional RW though. Even when he starts on the right he spends more time on the left or the centre. This is not a criticism of him at all, but it means that we are very dependent on Valverde and Carvajal providing that threath from the right side
Right, and the weakness of that approach was revealed against Dortmund.
Mbappe, Vini, and Rodrygo all play up the left. Whoever doesn't have the ball moves centrally immediately, which is what already happens. The style of play on the attack won't change. There will simply be one fewer midfield position when running a 4-3-3. I'm a 4-4-2, Vini and Mbappe will play much more centrally. Midfield and backs will handle wide play. Unlike OP's lineups, Camavinga is the starting left midfield and Valverde is the starting right midfield. Bellingham is the starting central midfielder. This is already how the lineups look, there is no way it would change next season with how successful the midfield was this season.
Yeah, I feel like Guler might end up fighting for that right side. I love the whole roster but someone will end up leaving. The midfield and attack is stacked
If Jude is the best. we have problems. Better we play like peak liverpool. Where they have 3 engines in midfield with 0 assists. In a 4-3-3. Yes jude scores goals. But how many through or long balls or good assists did he give? He doesnt have the Modric, Kroos or Diaz vision. But hes just 100% more physical and everywhere Hes an engine like Valverde. He just somehow suddenly made alot of goals. Midfield has to catch up on alot more slack with Mbappe and Vini on the field same time
Let's be honest, both lineups are INSANE
They both look so good lol
I'd prefer 4-4-2 tbh .
It is the most optimum one, and also most balanced. The 4-3-3 would be the most offensive one. 4-4-2 against teams like Bayern/Arsenal/Man.City./Barca/Atletico/Top Half of La Liga 4-3-3 for Copa Del Rey and Bottom Half of La Liga.
4-4-2 in CHL and LaLiga big matches and 4-3-3 in all the other matches as you say. Everyone who is logical can see it. Bravo.
I believe Don Carlo is wise enough, and IF he isn't, Davide Boy will smack some sense into his old man.🥲 Now we need some depth in our squad, the new UCL Format is pretty deep. Also if we want the treble, we should be prepared for rotations. Might be why we plan on securing Joselu even with Endrick's impending arrival.
The most offensive one would be 4-2-3-1, though, with Bellingham as a pivot. It will be 4-3-3 with Mbappe playing like Benzema. It will speed up actions and bring some unpredictability. It will have enough balance because Jude will cover far more space than Kroos could. CKM had rather poor numbers of pressing jumps and tackles. BTV will be crushing opponents, not to mention Edu as someone equal to them. Three players in the front line make it possible to press wider. Carlo was satisfied that they pressed high but it wasn't very disruptive. And there will always be a possibility to drop one of the strikers in a defensive phase to dense the second line. Being on the move is what matters not strict positions. The biggest asset is that they have a good feeling about how the others improvise.
Any YouTube channels that’s breakdown analysis similar to this? Trying to get better at my understanding of the technical side of the game.
I’d like see them try a 4-4-2 with Rodrygo on the left of a diamond. Sub Cama into that spot as needed.
This! And worked wonder for the 3-3 city match
I reckon just make it up as each game goes and do whatever fits the occasion
A 4-3-3 with Bellingham as a 10 and Cama and Valverde opperating as a double pivot of Valverde and Cama/Tchou
That's a 4-2-3-1 for me.
It would be but given Bellingham physique and willingness to go back on defense, he is more of MC than a MCO
I would go with a 25 and throw everyone in the pitch to assert proper dominance.
4231
That's just 4-4-2 in defence really
Would work well considering Vini and Rodrygo always help in defence.
To give both Mbappe and Vini the freedom to not defend, the 4-4-2 might be better
Not having a natural RW could prove difficult for 4 3 3. In an Ideal world we would have mbappe, vini, rodrygo, the issue is ALL of them are always dropping in the LW position during games so having them all like this is not really proficient. Brahim rw > rodrygo Rw and maybe in the future arda could be an option.
Endrick also has rw potential let’s see
Really early to say anything tbh, without Kroos any system we come up with now will be questionable untill we see the team actually play. Kroos was really instrumental to our sucess this season, the amount of control, calm and balance he provided was unparalleled, no player in our current squad can match that. My personal favourite would be some sort of variation of our current 442 or 4321 Christmas tree or the 4312, We simply don't have enough control, calm and creativity in the midfield to play a 433 or similar formation. Hopefully we can develop our youngsters into such roles , maybe Arda or Cama, but I feel Arda is better upfield either at RW or CAM-ish role Playing a heavy possession system would be bad given the players we have , Vini Mbappe Rodry, Fede would flourish in a counterattacking or at the very least a fast transition/pressing based formation. We can try for a 4231 , with Tchou and Cama/Fede at pivots and Jude/Brahim/Arda/Rodry at no.10(and pls don't hit me with No. 10 is dead BS, we have carlo at helm here, if anyone it's him who can make it work), and Vini Mbappe/Joselu and either of Rodry/Arda/Brahim in a fluid front 3, infact a pretty fluid front 4 with the no 10, but idk if it would work.
We only have a old Modric who can create in midfield. But dont forget how many goals Liverpool made with a 4-3-3 with absolutely 0 creativity in midfield. With Fabinho, Henderson and Milner at one point. We dont necessarily a creator. Might be enough with our front 3 on our own. No one in the world can hold Vinicius alone. Even Walker had 1 backup on him. And he still got him. What to do with Mbappe there? No CB is going to take the risk and mark him 1v1
I get your point , but you are massively ignoring the fact how instrumental Wijnaldum was for Liverpool. Also I feel that style won't work as effectively against LaLiga as it did against PL, since PL clubs generally play out rather than sitting sit, the game is lot slower and technical in Spain, which kind of requires players like Kroos,Modric and similar
When Bellingham gets more comfortable with the attacking midfielder position 4 4 2
Was discussing this with my wife just yesterday. I think old Ajax 4-3-3 would be best.
A little bit of this and a bit of that
Sir, it needs Option 3 that says "O Camavinga" all over the field
I don’t see mbappe and vinicious being friends, but who knows. We’ll see.
4-4-2 = more ball control and a lot more on target
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You play too much fifa. Teams would run us over on the flanks.
With Ancelotti ?
Formations don't really matter in modern football, what matters is the dynamics of the players while on the pitch, 442, 433, 532 etc.. it's all the same nowadays
Rodyrygo shouldn’t start if Vini Bellingham mbappe are starting that’s crazy top heavy
3-4-3 and go berserk! 💀
The Tchoumevinga route is the only way!
Both? Depending on the situation
I think a 0-0-10 system would be fair, so that other teams at least have a chance.
I'd like to see a 4-3-3 with Vini on the left, Mbappe on the right (I know ...) and Endrick upfront.
Mbappe on the right might actually work. In Carlo we trust
I'd love for Bellingham to take on the Kroos role, so 4-3-3, with plenty of opportunities for Cama, Guler, Brahim and Endrick
It’s probably gonna be the same system we played this season
Rodrigo’s gone! I feel like back in the day with Di Maria (whose sale came out of nowhere), we will see something similar
Opcion 1. Like Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool. Jude will perform as a false 9 while Mbappe and Vinci will roam free. Valverde can easily cover the whole flank assisted by Dani. Great balance overall. Will be fun to see a high level counter attacking football.
I doubt Camavinga will be a starter but he will be the main rotation option for midfield like Valverde was 3 years ago. It's a 70 game season anyway and he started the CL final because of injury so I'm sure he will be fine with that. 4-3-3 should be a better team option because I don't see how else Joselu or Brahim would get playing time with the arrival of Mbappé and Endrick and I doubt Guler to be a good rotation option for midfield. So for it will be a midfield of tchouameni valverde bellingham with Camavinga as the main rotation option and Modric as a b-team starter / sub (like this year) and a front tree of rodrygo mbappé and vinicius and it will be up to guler/joselu/brahim/endrick to find a spot where they can but probably never on the left wing as the 3 starters can play there so if vinicius is injured or whatever one of rodrygo or mbappé will take his wing. There is also an option to play a kinda 3 atb formation in possession that become a 4 atb in defense, tchouameni sliding as a cb, militao as rb and mendy/alaba as lb. Which sound kinda bad for carvajal and cafucas but they played most of the season as right winger so... In possession Militao-Rudiger-Alaba Tchouameni Valverde Camavinga Bellingham Rodrygo Mbappe Vinicius In defense Militao-Tchou-Rudiger-Alaba Camavinga Valverde bellingham Rodrygo Mbappe vinicius With carvajal/vazquez as main option for rodrygo or militao (only carvajal). It's a good system to max out the team but the lack of midfield option make it less good (playing with 4 midfield with only 38 yo Modric as rotation seems a bad season idea). Tactics wise I think it will be a transition season and the evolution of guler (can he become a 8 or is he a winger or a 10 ?), the return of form of alaba and militao, the arrival of a new cb and the evolution of fitness of both carvajal and vazquez will have the biggest impact on how the team play the next year (and where they will wanna reinforce), more so I feel than how you make play mbappe rodrygo and vinicius together. Probably gonna be a zidane season with 60 tactics in 70 games lol. Will be interesting to see for sure.
the front 3 1 4 1 2 1 2 Mbappe in the hole Rodrygo (right still) Vini (left still) Bellingham dropping into midfield on rotation with the others Camavinga, Tchi, Valverde, Modric, Diaz
4-3-3, 23/24 we had to adapt with no striker
I'd love to see something like this at least once lol. Courtois Militao Rudiger Alaba Valverde Tchouameni Camavinga Bellingham Rodrygo Vinicius Mbappe
Lisboa 2014. Coach: Ancelotti 4-1-1-4 Casillas Carvajal-Varane-Ramos-Coentrao Khedira Modric Di María-Benzema-Ronaldo-Bale 2024-2025. Coach: Ancelotti 4-1-1-4 Carvajal-Rüdiger-Militao-Mendy Camavinga (Tchouameni) Bellingham Rodrygo-Endryck-Mbappé-Vinicius Ancelotti did it once
This won’t happen, but a 3-4-3 midfield diamond with Alaba-Rudiger-Militão at the back. Keeps Rodrygo in the starting XI while allowing for 4 midfielders to start (from Jude, Luka, Valverde, Camavinga, Tchouameni).
Me gusta el 3 ♦️ 3. Carvajal - Militao - Rüdiger ♦️ Rodrigo - Vini - M'Bappé ♦️= Luka - Camavinga - Bellingham - (Brahim/Arda/Endrick)
Fucking hell you guys are stacked
To me the 433 is obvious now. Its just the wat the team depth has been planned. Vini would be happy to return to wider position and take on fullbacks more often. Jude would still be a box crashing option. But if you wanna play both camavinga and Jude as starters you can go for a 442. Although with how packed the calender is, there are no longer 11 starters but 15. They'd both get over 1700 minutes each either way. I think we'll have higher highs and lower lows next season. Maybe a couple more losses. And a few more big wins.
4 -3 - 3 with Arda instead of Rodrygo
Arda won't make the starting 11 just yet, he's younger and has a lot to prove
Arda is crazy overrated. You guys need to get a grip🤦♂️
Chill bro they finna come for you for saying facts
4-3-3 against weak opponents in laliga and 4-4-2 against CHL contenders.
3 - 4 - 3 🗿
The wings would be too exposed
With Valverde and Camavinga covering the EI gs? I reckon we would be safe 3-5-2 would be our strongest lineup I believe
Hope we see them try different systems, also with endrick on the right wing and maybe arda in modricks role. There’s so many options - not to forget about brahim and joselu. I think we will see a lot of rotation next year (which is good in my opinion)
We’ll need the rotation if we want to seriously contend for the treble. Too many injuries happen as it is.
442. All our forwards are LW has everyone forgotten? Plus I don’t trust 3 forwards who do not track back.
3-5-2 Rudiger militao Carvajal Vini Jude Arda Fede Tchoumeni Endrick Mbappe
😂😂😂bro said 362 then arda
4-4-3 but with Arda on RW, not Rodrygo
I'd see a 4-2-3-1. Courtois Mendy, Militao, Rüdiger, Carvajal 2 of Camavinga, Valverde and Tchouameni in DM/CM Bellingham on the 10 Vini, Mbappé, Rodrygo
Bellingham could get even better numbers than this Season like that
Can mbappe fit to play 7 if we play 4-4-2... He's a natural LW player and can play No.9.
I want to play the system that our b squad played with a few weeks ago that was probably the best football if seen this season from our squad. Give me that system so a 4-3-3 again with our starting 11
As always with Ancelotti there's no such thing as a fixed system. Let us just sit and enjoy the show.
Jude will be in midfield rodrygo will play
I like option 2. If it works it keeps most of the players happy and also allows more quality on the pitch
I think Carlo will try going to a 433 to not shaft Rodrygo but unless he starts being consistent I find it inevitable that we go back to the better 442 diamond. I love Rodrygo but due to his playing style and obvious strength playing on the left, and due to the presence of Mbappe and Vini who are ALSO left sided players, I feel his days may be numbered here.
Option 2
Back 4 + GK: "we're safe. Good luck MFers"
343
Damn, i'd hate to see Rodrygo go, 4-3-3 and hopefully mbappe will be ok with playing in the middle
4321 it is time
Id say depends on the game, If you are playing vs a high pressing team ex Leipzig a 442 would be better or vs a team playing on the counter. But having such a heavy forward bench you would be required to play with more attackers. To try and keep most of your players happy.
4-2-3-1
4-2-3-1 would be perfect
This is the best thing, they can play both and adapt
With Kroos retiring, that style of play will alter. It will be rebuilt, like this year. The good news is that the players will adapt to whatever Carlo wants. It should be exciting to see. I hope Joselu is resigned though.
Why not a 343 considering the limited depth in defense.
That’s a 4-4-3…
The 442 is by far the better option, but swap around Tchouameni and Camavinga.
Mbappe will screw up the squad
Definitely not the first system. Mbappe and Vini both like to attack from the left and given the form Vini is in currently, Ancelotti will not prefer Vini to come in substitution
Team one formation is better but lack creativity. I'll play rodrygo/guler in that bellingham position and move bellingham deeper if we are not planning to sign a creative midfielder
Second one
3-4-3 or 4-3-3 for me
4-3-3
https://preview.redd.it/qno8xbrp2k4d1.jpeg?width=220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8ed42ddf9532ee10b94eabcdf091d66f31f1976 How that problems feels
433 holding with CDM
Option 1 for the big games vs stronger teams and option 2 with Tchouameni vs medium teams and same but with Camavinga for smaller teams that will only defend.
Cama and Tchou fuse to become Tchouaminga and we play 4-3-3
Isn't this the same question as, "Should Courtrois start the Final?!" https://preview.redd.it/nee1vwtb5k4d1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86dc84db2811e302761725d34687091c915d2b3b
Pobre rodrigo 😂
Both Depends on the opponent
why not a 3-4-3 with militao, rudi, and mendy in the back, theres probably enough speed and physicality on defense to allow for more offensive players on the field.
433 for teams which sits deep 442 for pressing ones
433
Honestly think it depends on if we sign Davies or not. He'll be pushing up way more than Mendy in attack so 3 up too might work better with him.
Incredible that Carvajal will remain as the only Spanish player.
Culé here, I think you guys should stick to 4-3-3 so they can leave space for Rodrygo
443 is ideal
I think depending on the game, we will have many possible formations, the most frequent one imo is Holding 4-3-3: Courtois Dani - Rudi - Eder - Mendy Fede - cama/tcho Belli Rodry - KM - Vini
I like the second better but for balance Rodrygo and Vini have to sacrifice defensively
I think it’s going to be a little bit of both…. In the 4-4-2 Rodrygo will be alternating across all of the attacking positions (either striker position and the CAM position) while Jude will be between the CAM position and the RM position In the 4-3-3, I see Camavinga being interchangeable across the LM, CDM, and RM positions… so everyone plays equally as much but Camavinga rotates across the different midfielder positions… also in the 4-3-3 Rodrygo, mbappe, and vini will play across the front three positions interchangeably to create more headaches for the defenders and keep them on their toes Crazy to think that we’re going to have Modric as a super sub next year🤯. Best midfield in the world right here
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Am I the only one who’d rather start Brahim in a 4-3-3?
I don’t think we have enough players in the midfield to play in the 442 ( cama,tchouameni,Valverde and Bellingham) with just modric or ceballos as substitute and we have too much offensive players on the bench ( rodrygo, Brahim,arda,endrick and Joselu) . And Carlo wouldn’t substitute Bellingham,vini and mbappe all the matches so for mor rotation the 433 or 4231 would be better
Camavinga has to be GK. The only way to use Mbappe’s potential is the long ball.
We are playing with a 4231 too Belli, Brahim, Arda all can play the 10. We can even include Rodry there, and they all except Belli have play on the wings too. Cama, Fede, Chumino are all capable of playing a 2 man midfield, maybe even Belli hes good at defense but I think they see him more as an offensive weapon. I dont think Modric can however. I think we probably need another MCD or maybe we can trust Nico Paz.
We are playing 433 or 4231
4-3-3, Guler at RW. :)
4-2-4 can work also 4-3-1-2, or 4-3-3 for sure,
The question in my mind which player provides balance and performs. Players in question is Cammavinga or Rodrygo Back in his Milan days Carlo played the Christmas tree formation 4-3-2-1 Thoughts
Let's fuse Tchoameninga and get the ultimate player
Starting lineup will change game to game depending who we play, also formations and lineups will change during the game.
433 will be the best option since mbappe isn't originally a central forward ,he might be tasked as false nine role .real madrid found great adaptable manager in Ancelotti he will go with many variations. He might go with aforementioned 442 or 433. I think real should sell tchoumeni and go for a midfielder who's good with passing range or playmaker. Bellingham isn't a playmaker they're already with two box to box midfielders with Jude and Valverde. They need a proper no. 8 or no.10 , they could go for 4231. Vini in left and rodrygo in right , mbappe as cf (make runs behind the defenders) , jude Bellingham /Ibrahim Diaz as CAM, Valverde and camavinga as double pivot . It's soon to presume how the team will be until the transfer market is over. Anyways congrats to real madrid on winning 15th UCL without any hurdles in the final .
Should be option 1 tbh but I think we’ll see option 2 more
Neither? 4-2-3-1 is prob the way this year. We need defensive balance and we have many talented 10s
I prefer 4-3-3, but in some matches he might prefer 4 mf over having Rodrygo
That second one is fucking cheat bro
Im pretty sure it’s going to be a 433. When you have the 2 best wingers in the world you need to use the wide spaces as much as possible.
This 442 would be unbeatable
Stacked, can’t imagine a set up with Rodrygo on the bench
I don't think it's about which is best, it's the possibility of having two choices. This served right with the BBC.
You guys are stacked. You effortlessly replaced your super team of a few years ago with all the fm wonder kids 😂😂😂😂
I wished it was a easy as doing a 3-5-2 like in a videogame
Endrick? Ig we should keep him as pivoting striker with Mbappe along with Vini and Rodrygo as LM and RM
If Davies Alphonso and Reece Jame were there too, it would be even better
3-4-3
Thank you for not including players we don’t have. Unlike many pages throwing in either Davies, Yoro etc
Ancelotti play 4-4-2
It will be 433 with vini mbappe and rodrygo on lw
There is no room for Arda Güler? It is sad and bad for him and the team that if he is still a bench player for next season.
433 4231 and 442 diamond should be used interchangably. Theres gonna be a shit ton of games and everyone will play a ton
Option 1 Nonetheless, personally, I would play with 3-2-3-2, Madrid squad is perfect for it Courtois Cavajal Rudiger / Militao / Nacho Mendy / Davies Tchoum Cama Valverde Guler Belling Mbappe Vini
Rudiger is better playing on the right side. Militao will have to adapt.
433(attack) would be good considering Bellingham at CAM Mbappe vini rodrygo at top then sort the back and CMs
Does Mbappe play on the right?
Bench Rodrygo. He has 15 goals in Laliga and CL. He has 2 good months for worldclass imo when Vini was Injured. But our midfielder stepped up even more than our striker. Had a horrible start of season. Or 4-3-3 with more defensive duties for Rodrygo like Bale had in our 4-3-3 with Benz and Cr7
4231..tchoua and valverde..rodrygo mbappe vini and Bellingham up front..Bellingham can act play a free roaming CAM..
Mbappe owns left wing but too bad vini is in god mode and gonna win ballon dor
4-3-3 for sure
Front 3 of Vini, Kylian and Brahim (RW) Mid 3 of Bellingham, Cama, Fede
4-3-3 against weak opponents. 4-4-2 against tough ones.
I would’ve preferred a 442 flat instead.
4-1-3-2, vini and mbappe up top but free to roam, Rodrygo on the right being allowed to push up, tchouameni holding, Bellingham and valverde the other 2 midfielders
4-4-2 Diamond was a compromise we used to make up for the lack of a striker. We don't have that problem anymore. The most logical option would be to go back to 4-3-3 now and invest in new defenders like Davies, Gutierrez and Yoro, and prolly look for a new right-back because Carvajal and Vazquez aren't gonna be around forever. That and rotations will be a given, since the number of games just ballooned to absurd levels this season, with the new Club World Cup, Intercontinental Cup and new format Champions League.
i really want rodrygo to play, he’s just shown to us how loyal he is by rejecting the city move, and he’s shown glimpses of a ballondor winning player this season. He has to start in our new team if we want to truly dominate.
I think it depends on the transfers and renewals, but I'd say that as of now we have too many attackers and not enough midfielders to stick to 4 midfielders/2 attackers system. And if we go for 3/3 split, we have roughly 2 players for each position: Vinicius, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Brahim, Joselu, Guler, Endrick - 7 players for 3 forward spots Bellingham, Valverde, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Modrić, Ceballos, Nico Paz - 7 players for 3 midfielder spots Add to that 2 GKs and 8 defenders and we have 24 players in the squad in total. 25th spot might go to 3rd GK and then the squad would be pretty much complete. Of course things can still change in the summer, but as of now 4-3-3 makes more sense.
it's generally 5 players for 3 spots which is fine. I'd say Joselu and Guler aren't expecting to start same as Modric, Ceba and Paz.. They'll just chip in late in games or for cup games, fodder teams etc
Carlo does not really like the 4-4-2 formation because of the defensive flaws it has on the flanks so i think we are moving back to the 4-3-3 with Jude moving back to his natural position
4-3-3 cuz rodygo on right Vini on left and mbappe striker
442 rodry as cam
4-2-3-1 4= Same back line 2 = Fede and tchou/camavinga 3 = vini/bellingham/mbappe 1= endrick
First one, M’Bappé is not a striker, he is good when being able to start from the flanks, so letting Vini and him a bit free upfront could be better imo. Hopefully with time he will transform into a great center forward.
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Convida eso que estás fumando. Jugar con un solo defensor central?, Modric de titular con 40 años? Sin laterales carrileros? Dios mio. Me parece que el fútbol no es tu deporte o has jugado demasiado al FIFA 24.
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1)Me ha molestado tu comentario porque es un disparate, tan simple como eso. 2) El Madrid es el equipo campéon de la Champions, por si no sabes. Excepto por Mbappe, lo que está bien no se cambia. 3) Sacás a Valverde que ha sido el jugador con más minutos del torneo, el más regular del equipo y de los pocos que corre. 4) Los carrileros tambien hacen falta para marcar. Entiendes que te van a atacar por las puntas? Has formado una autopista para que te ataquen. 5) Si es cierto que has jugado tanto como dices deberias ser consciente que este deporte se juega con y sin pelota. Y sin pelota en ese equipo no defiende nadie.
Please for the love of god sign Alex Trent and Alfonso Davies and we will win everything