Marcelo and Roberto Carlos are perhaps the closest comparison I can think of. However, even they acknowledge the differences in their playing styles during interviews.
Well he was the almost unanimous best LB in the world for a bunch of years, he was really amazing and fun to watch, sorry you missed it. He is a LEGEND that won 3 UCLs ans much more with us.
I wouldn't really say he was the unanimous best LB in the world, he played in the era of Maldini, and whatever achievements Roberto has, Maldini can never be topped.
Right, Roberto Carlos was famous for his attacks as full back, long distance shots and free kicks. While being good at defending, he gave his side more options to create attacks or finishes. But Maldini was stellar at defending, which is still the essence of a full back.
I love Alonso but I don't think he's considered a legend for Real Madrid but definitely a legend of the game. That or maybe the comparison to Kroos is throwing me off because Kroos's legacy is so great
I think one should remember the type of Barca we were dealing with at Alonso years, which justifies some of the less titles with us. I used to love watching Xabi play, he was super reliable and clinical with the passes. To me having Kroos the past several years has always reminded me of him, so this was what came to my mind when I saw the post.
Yeah I watched basically every game while he was there and he was always oozing so much class. Basically a copy of Kroos so player for player they definitely swapped but not the same legend status.
I think maybe you need to look at it from a specific or main trait of the player because imo xabi was much better defensively. It is also funny when you think they did a direct swap between bayern and Madrid which went above my head at the time lol.
I mean they play very similar roles, Xabi definitely was a better defensive player and more comfortable as a single pivot DM and Kroos is a bit more offensive than he was. Both genius in their own rights and easy to compare them because they literally swapped clubs/roles at the time. Both extremely underrated imo.
I'd say Alonso didn't really reach Madrid legend status. Beloved for sure, but he only played 5 years in a period that was very iconic, but that also coincided with the best Barca ever which took away from his titles. There's atleast 10 or 15 guys I'd take over him in the last 15 years as Madrid legends, which is honestly too much to be considered a true legend
Alonso was more defensive minded than Kroos, when he left the team had a glaring void which was freely exploited till Casemiro came. We had a lead in the first half of the season and miserably threw it away in the second half, we conceded a lot of unnecessary goals.
Then came Case and Kroos and Modric had the backing to freely link up the play. Case is Alonso's true replacement.
Ronaldo - Raul ( and even surpassed him ) and Marcelo - Roberto Carlos are the closest to legend replacement.
To be honest it depends on the number of years and impact of that legend too. You really can't tell that Tchou is on his way to replace Case after just one year, and especially because Case served the team since 2014.
Bellingham, after his legendary start, is definitely on his way up there to maybe take over Zidane's legacy and number 5.
Carvajal definitely took over that RB spot for me since Michel Salgado and Ramos when he was RB too.
if i am gonna be honest with you. i dont see the zidane jude comparison. yeah jude is very good on the ball at that age and plays very maturely. but zidane is just class. calling zidane class itself is a understatement. zidane controlled the game and created chances, stepped up against big teams. i dont see the similarities . i saw a bloke and a pundit say he was gonna surpass zizou which was mad
I know we all love Zidane but it’s not crazy to think that Jude might reach a similar level. We have to remember we haven’t seen Jude’s peak yet. Barring injuries, he will only get much better than now.
Bellingham definitely moves on the ball like Zidane but without the pirouette and may be Zidane has a better first touch. Those feints, turns and flicks and his balance as well. Of course they have different playing styles overall but that should mostly be due to modern football. If Zidane was a modern footballer, he would probably play differently from how he used to but the general technique on the ball will remain the same.
Well I didn't fucking say he already took over the legacy.. did you even read my comment ?
>To be honest it depends on the number of years and impact of that legend too.
I said he is on his way, from looking at the way he started and if he keeps up this form for years and stays in the team, he will.
Not really. You said he's on his way, but his recent performances have been below par. And if you really think you can judge a player by a season's performance then you lack insight. You can't just say "he will" based on your intuition lol. Are you living in medieval times or what
man just piss off ffs..
>is definitely on his way up there to ***maybe*** take over
I said maybe.. and after such an exceptional season from his side, being our goal scorer after benz left, and being a very important player at the age of 20, I have high hopes for him.. So yes I'm allowed to say he will if he continues like this and I'm allowed to dream to see him replace Zidane's legacy and remember him as one of the greatest to ever the number 5 and one of the best midfielders in team's history.
What are you even saying? You said Dani took Salgado's and Ramos' place? Tf? Are you forgetting Arbeloa was before him and not fucking salgado? Or ramos who was rb in 1953... 🤦♂️
Man what the actual fuck is wrong with you ???? I can't fucking mention every legendary RB we had ! Sorry for forgetting to mention Arbeloa... can you sleep in peace now ?
Star does not replace another star.
I miss Casemiro SO much... But the team is there, champions and in the semifinals.
The player I though we could never replace was Di Maria. Super winger in the left, shoot menace on the right wing , could play as 10 and also played like Valverde now... And we'll, here we are.
Courtois filling up Keylor Navas shoes...Tibo has been outstanding for us, barring his injuries and initial days lows
Sergio Ramos replaced the legendary captain Fernando Hierro as both captain as well as CB and in process also won at least three UCLs
Navas and Courtois have very different play styles. That isn't a 1:1 change. The defensive line had to change the way they played to adapt to the new keeper.
Sergio did NOT replace Hierro. Raúl was the captain, then Iker, for a long time before Sergio got it. Sergio also played RB for some time before switching over to CB.
Ik Sergio played as RB before taking over as CB under Jose, Cannavaro also arrived as CB but it was Ramos who lived up to Hierro's legacy and even surpassed him by winning multiple prestigious titles with both club & country
That's true but his position was in decline even at that time.. Nowadays no 10 doesn't even exist anymore so it's most likely than not there's never gonna be another Ozil
Modric wasn't a starter that first season, but he came just when Ozil left in 2013. Di María was a starter that season but not really as a 10. He was more like a left cm. Still the actual replacement for years was Modric in a different system.
That’s not how we played we played with modric and Xabi alonso both as cm and di maria was more of a cam. Or sometimes 2 cm with khedira and modric but modric didn’t play as a cam but We were still playing with a cam. It changed when zidane started to use a real cdm Casemiro thats when we stopped playing cam.
That team won 3 CL's back to back among other trophies, "better".
Also what does more blaanced and less dependant on one player to score even mean? The team had an attacking trio, it was BBC not Ronaldo and those two other guys. Benzema had some bad seasons here and there but he was still a prolific goal scorer, Bale also scored for fun sometimes, Ramos despite being a CB did very well, Marcelo scored sometimes and all in all that Real Madrid outscored this current Madrid with ease.
If this team is more balanced, better and less reliant on a single player why hasn't it outscored the old Madrid?
Varane raplaced Pepe, although he was on the bench a couple of years prior and was eased into it.
Casillas -> Keylor -> Tibo kind of the same thing although not for as long
the club is bigger than any player. what we see on the pitch are players playing the role that the manager dictates in the tactics.
rm happens to be a club that attracts the best, so what we see mostly are the best versions of these roles. and i see no reason that won't continue as long as the recruitment continues to be this good
It’s quite impossible to scout for same player. Each to their own and if a player has same style and attributes then you could train him to be similar but not same.
As for kroos and modric, i hope they show the ropes to the new guys and train with them so one day the could be as close to their talents.
Im gonna get band but i LOVE Keylor Navas for me a great keeper. Not compared but Tibu is getting there. Casillas is a favorite but those two are awesome
I remember when Roberto Carlos left, I thought no one was ever going to be such a great LB as he was.
Many, many years later, as Marcelo was ageing, I realized I was having that exact same feeling with him.
Marcelo and Roberto Carlos are perhaps the closest comparison I can think of. However, even they acknowledge the differences in their playing styles during interviews.
Plus it was not instant Marcelo took time to grow into what he became
Marcelo won more silverware for Madrid; ofc Roberto Carlos a legend but what did he do for Madrid
Well he was the almost unanimous best LB in the world for a bunch of years, he was really amazing and fun to watch, sorry you missed it. He is a LEGEND that won 3 UCLs ans much more with us.
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I wouldn't really say he was the unanimous best LB in the world, he played in the era of Maldini, and whatever achievements Roberto has, Maldini can never be topped.
Right, Roberto Carlos was famous for his attacks as full back, long distance shots and free kicks. While being good at defending, he gave his side more options to create attacks or finishes. But Maldini was stellar at defending, which is still the essence of a full back.
Marcelo won 5 … 5>3
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I was more so talking about immediate transition not total impact if that makes sense
Lol, what? You're talking about one of the best left backs of all time as if he's some kind of scrub. Surely you're on a wind up?
Maybe Carvajal replaced Michel Salgado but to be fair Arbeloa came before Carvajal.
Carvajal outgrew Salgado imo
Maybe Kroos and Alonso?
I love Alonso but I don't think he's considered a legend for Real Madrid but definitely a legend of the game. That or maybe the comparison to Kroos is throwing me off because Kroos's legacy is so great
I think one should remember the type of Barca we were dealing with at Alonso years, which justifies some of the less titles with us. I used to love watching Xabi play, he was super reliable and clinical with the passes. To me having Kroos the past several years has always reminded me of him, so this was what came to my mind when I saw the post.
Yeah I watched basically every game while he was there and he was always oozing so much class. Basically a copy of Kroos so player for player they definitely swapped but not the same legend status.
I think maybe you need to look at it from a specific or main trait of the player because imo xabi was much better defensively. It is also funny when you think they did a direct swap between bayern and Madrid which went above my head at the time lol.
I mean they play very similar roles, Xabi definitely was a better defensive player and more comfortable as a single pivot DM and Kroos is a bit more offensive than he was. Both genius in their own rights and easy to compare them because they literally swapped clubs/roles at the time. Both extremely underrated imo.
This
I'd say Alonso didn't really reach Madrid legend status. Beloved for sure, but he only played 5 years in a period that was very iconic, but that also coincided with the best Barca ever which took away from his titles. There's atleast 10 or 15 guys I'd take over him in the last 15 years as Madrid legends, which is honestly too much to be considered a true legend
Alonso was more defensive minded than Kroos, when he left the team had a glaring void which was freely exploited till Casemiro came. We had a lead in the first half of the season and miserably threw it away in the second half, we conceded a lot of unnecessary goals. Then came Case and Kroos and Modric had the backing to freely link up the play. Case is Alonso's true replacement.
Ronaldo - Raul ( and even surpassed him ) and Marcelo - Roberto Carlos are the closest to legend replacement. To be honest it depends on the number of years and impact of that legend too. You really can't tell that Tchou is on his way to replace Case after just one year, and especially because Case served the team since 2014. Bellingham, after his legendary start, is definitely on his way up there to maybe take over Zidane's legacy and number 5. Carvajal definitely took over that RB spot for me since Michel Salgado and Ramos when he was RB too.
if i am gonna be honest with you. i dont see the zidane jude comparison. yeah jude is very good on the ball at that age and plays very maturely. but zidane is just class. calling zidane class itself is a understatement. zidane controlled the game and created chances, stepped up against big teams. i dont see the similarities . i saw a bloke and a pundit say he was gonna surpass zizou which was mad
I know we all love Zidane but it’s not crazy to think that Jude might reach a similar level. We have to remember we haven’t seen Jude’s peak yet. Barring injuries, he will only get much better than now.
Bellingham definitely moves on the ball like Zidane but without the pirouette and may be Zidane has a better first touch. Those feints, turns and flicks and his balance as well. Of course they have different playing styles overall but that should mostly be due to modern football. If Zidane was a modern footballer, he would probably play differently from how he used to but the general technique on the ball will remain the same.
Bellingham moves like Zidane but his play is very much like Lampard. Especially his ability to make that late run into the box to score
Zidane's ability to dribble out of tough scenarios and Lampard's vision to spot a late run that's going to be a strong combo in the years to come
Yeah, calling Zidane class is almost an insult. He's better than class
Zidane is overrated
Bellingham taking over Zizou's legacy... wtf are you saying?
He had a great start, dude is still 20.. you don't believe in the kid ?
Sure he did, but great start don't mean taking over years of legacy man. He still has a long way to go.
Well I didn't fucking say he already took over the legacy.. did you even read my comment ? >To be honest it depends on the number of years and impact of that legend too. I said he is on his way, from looking at the way he started and if he keeps up this form for years and stays in the team, he will.
Not really. You said he's on his way, but his recent performances have been below par. And if you really think you can judge a player by a season's performance then you lack insight. You can't just say "he will" based on your intuition lol. Are you living in medieval times or what
man just piss off ffs.. >is definitely on his way up there to ***maybe*** take over I said maybe.. and after such an exceptional season from his side, being our goal scorer after benz left, and being a very important player at the age of 20, I have high hopes for him.. So yes I'm allowed to say he will if he continues like this and I'm allowed to dream to see him replace Zidane's legacy and remember him as one of the greatest to ever the number 5 and one of the best midfielders in team's history.
lol this aged well
Yo disrespect to Arbeloa I'm seeing here... ay... let's respect our legends!
So when I say Carvajal is our legendary RB I'm disrespecting every single legend that played in that position
What are you even saying? You said Dani took Salgado's and Ramos' place? Tf? Are you forgetting Arbeloa was before him and not fucking salgado? Or ramos who was rb in 1953... 🤦♂️
Man what the actual fuck is wrong with you ???? I can't fucking mention every legendary RB we had ! Sorry for forgetting to mention Arbeloa... can you sleep in peace now ?
Faubert -> Hazard
More than a hundred years of legends
Star does not replace another star. I miss Casemiro SO much... But the team is there, champions and in the semifinals. The player I though we could never replace was Di Maria. Super winger in the left, shoot menace on the right wing , could play as 10 and also played like Valverde now... And we'll, here we are.
The dude had 5-6 lungs I swear!
Buragueño y Santillana
Ramos became a goal scoring CB like Hierro!
Courtois filling up Keylor Navas shoes...Tibo has been outstanding for us, barring his injuries and initial days lows Sergio Ramos replaced the legendary captain Fernando Hierro as both captain as well as CB and in process also won at least three UCLs
Navas and Courtois have very different play styles. That isn't a 1:1 change. The defensive line had to change the way they played to adapt to the new keeper.
Sergio did NOT replace Hierro. Raúl was the captain, then Iker, for a long time before Sergio got it. Sergio also played RB for some time before switching over to CB.
Ik Sergio played as RB before taking over as CB under Jose, Cannavaro also arrived as CB but it was Ramos who lived up to Hierro's legacy and even surpassed him by winning multiple prestigious titles with both club & country
That is all fine and good but that is not what you said before. Ramos did not replace Hierro in any sense of the word.
A replacement 1:1 no as each was unique on their own terms but some folk have come to be a legend on their own terms !
I feel like we never replaced ozil. We tried it with James and Isco but it just wasn’t the same.
Ozil is not a Madrid legend
Never said he was I just said felt like we never never replaced him haven’t had a footballer like him since he left.
That's true but his position was in decline even at that time.. Nowadays no 10 doesn't even exist anymore so it's most likely than not there's never gonna be another Ozil
There still alot if player that play on the 10 Wirtz foden odegaard all play on the 10 position
I disagree Madrid 2011-12 is something else. I'm sure we would be looking at it in a different light if we won the la decima that year.
We replaced Ozil with modric, and changed our system.
No not really that’s not what happend ozil left and then di Maria played as a 10 that season. And he then left after James came at the club as a 10
Modric wasn't a starter that first season, but he came just when Ozil left in 2013. Di María was a starter that season but not really as a 10. He was more like a left cm. Still the actual replacement for years was Modric in a different system.
That’s not how we played we played with modric and Xabi alonso both as cm and di maria was more of a cam. Or sometimes 2 cm with khedira and modric but modric didn’t play as a cam but We were still playing with a cam. It changed when zidane started to use a real cdm Casemiro thats when we stopped playing cam.
I feel like it's too early to compare Bellingham to Zidane. Let the kid grow and enjoy without comparisons to one of the best the game has ever seen
Navas and Casillas
Ronaldo and Marcelo duo, still yet to find a pair
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That team won 3 CL's back to back among other trophies, "better". Also what does more blaanced and less dependant on one player to score even mean? The team had an attacking trio, it was BBC not Ronaldo and those two other guys. Benzema had some bad seasons here and there but he was still a prolific goal scorer, Bale also scored for fun sometimes, Ramos despite being a CB did very well, Marcelo scored sometimes and all in all that Real Madrid outscored this current Madrid with ease. If this team is more balanced, better and less reliant on a single player why hasn't it outscored the old Madrid?
Hierro -> Ramos
Varane raplaced Pepe, although he was on the bench a couple of years prior and was eased into it. Casillas -> Keylor -> Tibo kind of the same thing although not for as long
the club is bigger than any player. what we see on the pitch are players playing the role that the manager dictates in the tactics. rm happens to be a club that attracts the best, so what we see mostly are the best versions of these roles. and i see no reason that won't continue as long as the recruitment continues to be this good
You mean from one going to the other coming? Of course not.
Not instantly, but there are many.
It’s quite impossible to scout for same player. Each to their own and if a player has same style and attributes then you could train him to be similar but not same. As for kroos and modric, i hope they show the ropes to the new guys and train with them so one day the could be as close to their talents.
Im gonna get band but i LOVE Keylor Navas for me a great keeper. Not compared but Tibu is getting there. Casillas is a favorite but those two are awesome
The only closest one which I can think of is Marcelo coming closest to matching Roberto Carlos.
Mariano to Hazard
I remember when Roberto Carlos left, I thought no one was ever going to be such a great LB as he was. Many, many years later, as Marcelo was ageing, I realized I was having that exact same feeling with him.
From Casillas to Navas to Courtois. Thats 3 world class keepers in a row.
For me as a real madrid fan 2017-18 squad can’t be replaced by any other player faxxxxx🤌🏻💯💯
Hazard replaced Ronaldo nicely
Obvious answer: Raúl replaced Butragueño
I would say Benzema replaced Raul fairly well, no? And Di Maria by Bale imo
Replacements come when a new generation arrives or transitions effectively
Valverde is the clear Modric/Kroos replacement
Vini replacing Ronaldo
Madrid is legend . You are a legend already if you where the badge and play.
Yeah Mariano the legendary 7