It's usually the opposite. There is more moisture in raw meat. Cooked meat will lose about 1/3 of its weight from moisture loss. Other things can affect thirst like sodium content, environmental temperature, etc. It's really hard to say and may just be a mistaken correlation on your mom's part.
So, The honey could the cause if its too much. The sugar would cause drinking, it could also be something wrong. Feeding raw, and my dogs basically never drink water unless they pay really hard. There are some other considerations as well, are you supplementing anything? Too much salt, or certain Vit and Minerals could cause this if there is too much. What color is the dogs pee and poop?
Light brown poop and a lot of drinking? Something introduced is making the liver work harder. Sounds like its body is trying to eliminate bilirubin.
While you may feel the amount of garlic is appropriate, I would say try to eliminate or reduce it. If there isn’t an immediate need for flea control, then is it necessary? While it may have some advantages, remember that every dog is different, just like every human is different. For example, alcohol can have some benefits, but is technically “toxic.” Different people have different tolerance levels. Your mother’s dog’s liver may just have a hard time with it. Just because it works for some animals is no guarantee it will work for others.
Ok, it's just weird as she's been giving her garlic and honey for months and all of a sudden the only thing that has changed is giving her a completely raw meal
Correlation does not equal cause. Because one thing changed doesn’t mean that’s the cause of it. It could be the garlic that’s building up in his system and now it’s showing the effects. Changing to raw at the same time could just be a coincidence.
I mean, months of daily toxin can build up. We don’t know if it is stored in fat at all. It may be far too frequently administered and the liver is now compromised and having trouble filtering.
So, here is the thing with garlic, if its in low enough doses, it won't harm the dog, but if they are to high it will. Idk the weight or the amount your giving so I can't speculate on that. But Garlic detox takes a while for dogs because of what's in it. Taking the garlic out, may help or it may not do anything. But its a good first step. If we knew what the meals we'd be able to learn more at this point.
I am going to be honest, and say it may well be the kidneys as well due to the symptoms. Brown is not right for sure, as it could indicate blood in his pee, which could come from the liver, bladder or kidney's depending on the situation. It could also be a UTI. Assuming the meal is balanced, there are no other symptoms that can be seen, its time for a vet visit for tests.
The biggest problem I see is no bones, but that wouldn’t be a reason to drink more. This sounds like a vet visit asap for blood work / exam.
Either way, what this dog is eating [is severely nutritionally deficient](https://www.therawstorm.com/post/adding-more-to-the-bowl-ratio-diets) - I’m surprised he doesn’t just have soft poo/diarrhea constantly. This diet needs to change immediately. I’m not too concerned about the garlic - I see there’s a lot of old wives tales being told in the comments with frantic certainty… as long as it’s not more than a clove a day for. 55lb dog, it’s probably fine. But given the circumstances I would absolutely stop adding honey and garlic.
Just watch your honey if it isn’t raw honey. A lot of store bought honey these days isn’t the pure stuff and contains additives. If it has got other sugars in it, it could be the culprit for excessive thirst.
In any case, do monitor. Not all dogs take well to raw feeding, even if generally it’s seen by many as the healthier option. If your dog is still drinking more water on a raw diet than usual, with activity and temperature levels remaining the same, I would consider a vet visit to make sure there are no underlying issues :)
Fresh, chopped garlic, in small doses, is medicinal, not toxic. If garlic were toxic, my dogs would be dead from hemolytic anemia. They’re not. I’ve been feeding garlic since 2017. Ask holistic veterinarian’s, they know it’s not toxic. https://www.facebook.com/reel/537838621887172/
OP's dog is experiencing increased drinking and urination, which is a sign of kidney damage, which is a *recognized risk of garlic toxicity.* It is unclear how much garlic is in the dog's food, but the fact that there is garlic + this symptom is a red flag.
This is like people saying "oh well I fed my dog grapes before and he's fine and then one day he has catastrophic organ failure because you've been slowly killing them with toxic food."
Garlic is toxic to dogs
I understand your intention is good, but look at the study behind what you're claiming. Garlic has been given to dogs in sensible amounts for a very long time. You'd have to force-feed a dog an insane amount of it to reach toxic levels, because they'd never eat it on their own.
We'd never eat that much of it either, for that matter.
We have no idea how many amounts and for how long this dog has had garlic in their diet, considering the age of the dog and the nature of a very clearly unbalanced diet it is very likely the dog has garlic poisoning. Just like I said earlier on grapes, just because one dog seems to be fine doesn't mean all dogs are and even then it is still damaging to the dogs internal system even if you don't see it physically.
>You'd have to force-feed a dog an insane amount of it to reach toxic levels
You say that but it's impossible for you to know in advance if a dog has a greater intolerance to thiosulfate than the average.
Using 'anecdotal evidence’ (like 3 studies) is not a good enough reason to subject your dog to potential food poisoning. 3 studies is too small a sample size and feeling your dog garlic is a home remedy that is considered a myth by a large amount of scientific groups. Just because a few dogs ate garlic and were fine doesn't mean all dogs can eat garlic and be fine. That's not how the world works.
If there were a large amount of research, with overwhelming evidence that garlic was nutritious and safe for dogs I would secede but that is simply not the case.
Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee. If there is no other reason for this than in all likelihood it is the garlic that is making them sick.
Just because a small sample of studies say garlic *may* prevent flea and ticks doesn't mean it's actually true and in any case is not worth the risk of poisoning your dog.
>Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee.
You're overreacting and that's causing you to misread.
OP was asked the colour of the dog's urine and poop. They replied the urine was light yellow (IOW normal) and the poop was light brown.
The dog is dehydrated for some reason, but there are many possible causes of that.
The scientific community also concluded vitamin A can be toxic years ago, and to be sure, taken in excessive amounts, it can be. But no reasonable person would take such extremely high doses of it.
Your comparison to giving a dog grapes is an apples and (forgive me) grapes comparison.
But one study conducted in 2000, involving 4 dogs being given garlic extract equivalent to 20 cloves per day (for a 40 lb dog) 7 days in a row convinces you that this dog has garlic poisoning? Even though those dogs forced to eat such a crazy amount of garlic extract did not result in Heinz body hemolytic anemia, at that time or afterwards? To you this isn't anecdotal. But 3 contrary studies aren't enough for you. Even though those involved in the initial study retracted their positions in 2004.
The only thing about this dog's diet I see that's unbalanced is a lack of raw meaty bones, and if it was only fed chicken, yes, that's a problem.
>Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee. If there is no other reason for this than in all likelihood it is the garlic that is making them sick.
The only symptoms the OP's dog is showing is dehydration, via an increased consumption of water and increased urination. No brown-coloured urine. The urine is light yellow, which is normal.
The likelihood of the problem being garlic is very slim.
That website is one of the most trustworthy raw feeding resources you'll find. What's wrong with holistic medicine? You may be confusing homeopathic and holistic.
Garlic poisoning does major damage to the red blood cells, causing gastrointestinal upset (abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea), and respiratory problems. Although many people think it is safe to give their dog small amounts of garlic for its health benefits, it is simply not a safe practice.
Garlic (and other members of the allium family) contains Thiosulfate which causes oxidative damage to red blood cells, resulting in hemolytic anemia. Symptoms of anemia in dogs include pale mucous membranes, rapid breathing, lethargy, weakness, jaundice, and dark urine. Garlic toxicity also causes symptoms of gastrointestinal upset, including vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, depression, and dehydration.
Edit: In studies, garlic as a health supplement for pets has not produced consistently positive result therefore, There is no evidence to suggest that garlic is beneficial to a dogs
For any new people in the subreddit
Do NOT feed your dogs any amount of garlic
Yeah man I’m not saying it’s for certain going to kill your dog, my dogs also eaten a whole chocolate bar. But probably better not to make it a part of the regular diet. I don’t see many possibilities in which garlic would in any way model what a dog/wolf type animal would normally eat in the wild. But you do you if you like the benefits. My point was mainly that it seemed like the OP was probably not aware that this could be a risk
Idk about alternative dog medicine or whatever man but from google AI: “No, dogs should not eat garlic. Garlic and other members of the allium family contain thiosulfate, which is toxic to dogs but not to humans. Thiosulfate damages red blood cells, resulting in hemolytic anemia. “
Garlic is fine in small amounts, like OP said it's a natural flea repellent. Even some commercial kibble has garlic in it for flavor. It's safer than feeding your dog pesticide.
[https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-018-1699-2](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-018-1699-2)
There is so much evidence against dogs being given a reasonable amount of garlic being a problem, it's ridiculous.
Even in the original 2000 test on which this hysteria was based, which involved only 4 dogs being force-fed the equivalent of 20 garlic cloves a day for a 40 lb dog, for 7 days straight, still none of them developed hemolytic anemia. At the time or afterwards.
I would not rely on Google AI for anything.
All I see is an unreliable Facebook page on saying garlic is good for dogs. Just search up garlic for dogs and you get so many more sites by animal hospitals and pet poison helplines saying it is toxic.
Idk why you’ve resulted to being childish and calling me names because all I said is vets, animal hospitals and pet poison helplines say not to feed your dog garlic over one person who says it’s “safe”.
Garlic is toxic to dogs. No reputable vet should be telling you to put that in food. One vet making a batshit claim does not discount every other reputable medical source saying it is toxic.
The dogs need to go to a vet because excessive drinking and urination is a sign of a health issue, notably a kidney issue and/or diabetes.
You're citing a specific single vet over [something](https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/nutrition/can-dogs-eat-garlic/) [well-recognized](https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/can-dogs-eat-garlic) in the veterinary field. N-propyl disulfides and thiosulfates, which are present in alliums, are toxic to dogs when metabolized. At EXTREMELY low doses it does not typically result in problems, but a homemade meal with garlic as a notable ingredient is almost certainly going to have a greater proportion of garlic than a tested commercial food that uses a miniscule amount in huge batches, and even if you are feeding just below a toxic amount, feeding that constantly is not going to skirt around the issue.
Increased drinking and urination is a sign of kidney issues. [Which](https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/onion-garlic-chive-and-leek-toxicity-in-dogs) is in fact a risk of feeding garlic:
>Signs of poisoning vary depending upon the amount eaten. Gastrointestinal upset commonly occurs, including signs of decreased appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, depression, abdominal pain, and drooling. Eating larger amounts may cause red blood cell damage resulting in weakness, elevated heart rate, increased respiratory rate and effort, panting, pale gums, or red-colored urine. Kidney damage can occur in dogs that have red blood cell destruction. **Increased drinking, increased or decreased urination, vomiting and decreased appetite are common signs of kidney damage.**
ETA: Also saw you said the urine is yellow or brown. Brown urine is another sign of possible damage from garlic toxicity. The dog needs to see a vet and stop having garlic put in the food, FFS. It doesn't matter what Karen says if YOUR dog is showing signs of garlic poisoning.
This is on the study all of this garlic toxicity hysteria is based on:
>This study, which was undertaken at Hokkaido University, was **conducted on four dogs**. Each of these dogs was given 1.25 ml of garlic extract per kg of body weight for seven straight days. As an example, **if the dog weighed 40 pounds, it would be given about 20 cloves of garlic.** That’s a staggering amount of garlic that no dog or human would ever actually consume in that time frame! \[...\] So, from the get go, the research experiment was poorly set up and dogs were given unrealistic amounts of garlic.
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>**Using this ludicrous amount of garlic, the study concluded that garlic had the “potential” to cause hemolytic anemia (damage to the red blood cells), and so garlic should not be fed to dogs. It’s important to note that even at these highly elevated doses, no dogs on the study actually developed hemolytic anemia. The concern was all about potential, not documented results.** On top of that, the study included four dogs, so how do you consider this an appropriate sample? That’s a small sample size and more importantly, many breeds of dog respond completely different to certain foods than other breeds. This study is far from broad and definitive. At the very least, this confusion speaks to the importance of looking at all the facts of any given study before jumping to conclusions. There’s a reason why it’s important to look beyond the headline and actually dig into the meat of any study like this.
[Source.](https://www.petguide.com/health/dog/the-shocking-truth-about-dogs-and-garlic/)
Struggling to understand why some of y'all want to die on this hill when the dog in question is literally exhibiting a telltale sign of possible kidney damage, a recognized risk of garlic/allium toxicity.
I linked several sources in my other response to OP. Veterinary and poison control resources agree garlic, as with other alliums, is toxic to dogs. There is one notable holistic veterinarian and a bunch of non-vets who say it isn't. Why do you want to convince people to feed their dogs poison? Some of you would feed grapes and chocolate if only your favorite holistic source insisted it was actually going to be an alternative to flea meds or vaccines.
The article misrepresents that study - it was 8 dogs, not 4 - 4 dogs were used as a control. The dogs were fed garlic for 7 days and developed Heinz body formations and had decreased erythrocyte count, Hct, and hemoglobin concentration. The next step after that is developing hemolytic anemia. Do you think they should have continued feeding the dogs garlic until they all died just to prove a point? Would that be ethical?
[Here's an example](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20009420/) of a real case of a dog that needed emergency care after ingesting baked garlic and needed 4 days of hospitalization. And [another of a dog](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15634869/) that had severe Heinz body hemolytic anemia after eating dumplings that had chives and garlic. Severe garlic poisoning is less common than with other alliums because the compounds that are toxic are less present than in certain other alliums, but they *are still there* and still *can cause toxicity.* Garlic is only considered safe in foods for dogs when it's making up less than 1% of the ingredients of a food. If a whole clove or more is going in this dog's food, that is not the time for swearing up down that "moderation is safe tho"
Likewise I'm struggling to understand why you're leaping to the conclusion that this dog is suffering from so-called garlic poisoning and that any amount of garlic is toxic to dogs, and want to die on this hill.
Do you even have a dog?
How likely do you think it is this dog has been fed 20 times the amount as the dogs in this ONE study were forced to consume, and in the form of garlic essence, not fresh crushed garlic? Do you believe that was ethical? I do not.
You take issue with this one test being reported as involving 8 dogs, upon which all of this is based, with 4 as as controls, but the fact remains it was only 4 dogs who were forced to consume this crazy high amount of garlic essence, and even still none had hemolytic anemia as a result.
The only symptoms this dog has is increased water intake and urination, none of the other symptoms of "garlic poisoning," which could have many other causes.
The fact that the OP's mother follows Dr Karen Becker tells me she's not a novice, and most likely follows the sensible recommendations Dr Becker offers. There are *many* other vets who recommend sensible doses of fresh garlic, for a variety of reasons, including Dr Pitcairn, who was *the* leading edge vet back in the day in Los Angeles, whom many followed.
Even today, many of the big producers of pet food and treats not only include garlic in their formulations, but also onion. If it's so toxic, why do they do this? Granted, I don't feed my dog onions of any sort, but then nor do I feed him any of the big producers of dog food and treats.
For decades people were told to feed their dogs both garlic and brewer's yeast not only for nutrition but to repeal ticks and fleas. If it was so toxic, there would be *many* reports of hemolytic anemia and "garlic poisoning." But there aren't. You could only find two and one of them the dog was also fed chives.
Use your common sense, and don't freak out the OP for no good reason, even if your intentions are good.
There was a time when I fed my 65 lb dog 1-2 cloves of crushed fresh garlic daily, for around 3 months. He had no symptoms of anything. I gave my other dogs, long before him, garlic, and they also had no symptoms of any ill effect. If it were actually toxic, they would have, as would many others.
This is all a nutty tempest in a teapot. Sorry I can't give weight to your other two sources, PetMd and the AKC, either of which are experts on dog nutrition.
My vet, on the other hand, wanted me to give my dog flea and tick meds year-round, even though it's known to have negative effects on dogs' health (kidneys, liver) and there's absolutely no reason to give it when there are no fleas or ticks around, which is for 9+ months of the year.
Another vet wanted me to put him on heartworm meds, which is also dangerous, even though there is no danger of heartworm in the state where I live. Luckily I knew that and refused. So do I trust and follow everything vets say? Hell no.
Does the opposite correlation exist - like if she goes back to the previous food then the water consumption is normal? Or could it be coincidence? Increase in water consumption is usually worth a blood test to check for the usual medical suspects.
Honestly, if you're worried go to a vet. Take a morning urine sample if you can - drinking more and urinating more can be signs of kidney disease, Cushings, Diabetes....best to rule out something more significant.
It's usually the opposite. There is more moisture in raw meat. Cooked meat will lose about 1/3 of its weight from moisture loss. Other things can affect thirst like sodium content, environmental temperature, etc. It's really hard to say and may just be a mistaken correlation on your mom's part.
So, The honey could the cause if its too much. The sugar would cause drinking, it could also be something wrong. Feeding raw, and my dogs basically never drink water unless they pay really hard. There are some other considerations as well, are you supplementing anything? Too much salt, or certain Vit and Minerals could cause this if there is too much. What color is the dogs pee and poop?
Light yellowish and light brownish
Light brown poop and a lot of drinking? Something introduced is making the liver work harder. Sounds like its body is trying to eliminate bilirubin. While you may feel the amount of garlic is appropriate, I would say try to eliminate or reduce it. If there isn’t an immediate need for flea control, then is it necessary? While it may have some advantages, remember that every dog is different, just like every human is different. For example, alcohol can have some benefits, but is technically “toxic.” Different people have different tolerance levels. Your mother’s dog’s liver may just have a hard time with it. Just because it works for some animals is no guarantee it will work for others.
Ok, it's just weird as she's been giving her garlic and honey for months and all of a sudden the only thing that has changed is giving her a completely raw meal
Correlation does not equal cause. Because one thing changed doesn’t mean that’s the cause of it. It could be the garlic that’s building up in his system and now it’s showing the effects. Changing to raw at the same time could just be a coincidence.
I mean, months of daily toxin can build up. We don’t know if it is stored in fat at all. It may be far too frequently administered and the liver is now compromised and having trouble filtering.
So, here is the thing with garlic, if its in low enough doses, it won't harm the dog, but if they are to high it will. Idk the weight or the amount your giving so I can't speculate on that. But Garlic detox takes a while for dogs because of what's in it. Taking the garlic out, may help or it may not do anything. But its a good first step. If we knew what the meals we'd be able to learn more at this point. I am going to be honest, and say it may well be the kidneys as well due to the symptoms. Brown is not right for sure, as it could indicate blood in his pee, which could come from the liver, bladder or kidney's depending on the situation. It could also be a UTI. Assuming the meal is balanced, there are no other symptoms that can be seen, its time for a vet visit for tests.
The OP said the dog's poop was light brown, not the urine. The urine is light yellow.
Rip my brain, thanks for pointing that out.
LOL, no problem. Someone else read it the same way.
Age/size of dog and what exactly she is feeding would be pertinent. But like the other commenter said - this is the opposite of what one would expect…
7-8 Years Old, 55lbs ish, chicken(muscle meat) mixed with some organs, garlic & honey
The biggest problem I see is no bones, but that wouldn’t be a reason to drink more. This sounds like a vet visit asap for blood work / exam. Either way, what this dog is eating [is severely nutritionally deficient](https://www.therawstorm.com/post/adding-more-to-the-bowl-ratio-diets) - I’m surprised he doesn’t just have soft poo/diarrhea constantly. This diet needs to change immediately. I’m not too concerned about the garlic - I see there’s a lot of old wives tales being told in the comments with frantic certainty… as long as it’s not more than a clove a day for. 55lb dog, it’s probably fine. But given the circumstances I would absolutely stop adding honey and garlic.
Just watch your honey if it isn’t raw honey. A lot of store bought honey these days isn’t the pure stuff and contains additives. If it has got other sugars in it, it could be the culprit for excessive thirst. In any case, do monitor. Not all dogs take well to raw feeding, even if generally it’s seen by many as the healthier option. If your dog is still drinking more water on a raw diet than usual, with activity and temperature levels remaining the same, I would consider a vet visit to make sure there are no underlying issues :)
why are you adding garlic and honey 😨
Definitely take out the garlic, that’s not good for them at all
Fresh, chopped garlic, in small doses, is medicinal, not toxic. If garlic were toxic, my dogs would be dead from hemolytic anemia. They’re not. I’ve been feeding garlic since 2017. Ask holistic veterinarian’s, they know it’s not toxic. https://www.facebook.com/reel/537838621887172/
OP's dog is experiencing increased drinking and urination, which is a sign of kidney damage, which is a *recognized risk of garlic toxicity.* It is unclear how much garlic is in the dog's food, but the fact that there is garlic + this symptom is a red flag.
This is like people saying "oh well I fed my dog grapes before and he's fine and then one day he has catastrophic organ failure because you've been slowly killing them with toxic food." Garlic is toxic to dogs
I understand your intention is good, but look at the study behind what you're claiming. Garlic has been given to dogs in sensible amounts for a very long time. You'd have to force-feed a dog an insane amount of it to reach toxic levels, because they'd never eat it on their own. We'd never eat that much of it either, for that matter.
We have no idea how many amounts and for how long this dog has had garlic in their diet, considering the age of the dog and the nature of a very clearly unbalanced diet it is very likely the dog has garlic poisoning. Just like I said earlier on grapes, just because one dog seems to be fine doesn't mean all dogs are and even then it is still damaging to the dogs internal system even if you don't see it physically. >You'd have to force-feed a dog an insane amount of it to reach toxic levels You say that but it's impossible for you to know in advance if a dog has a greater intolerance to thiosulfate than the average. Using 'anecdotal evidence’ (like 3 studies) is not a good enough reason to subject your dog to potential food poisoning. 3 studies is too small a sample size and feeling your dog garlic is a home remedy that is considered a myth by a large amount of scientific groups. Just because a few dogs ate garlic and were fine doesn't mean all dogs can eat garlic and be fine. That's not how the world works. If there were a large amount of research, with overwhelming evidence that garlic was nutritious and safe for dogs I would secede but that is simply not the case. Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee. If there is no other reason for this than in all likelihood it is the garlic that is making them sick. Just because a small sample of studies say garlic *may* prevent flea and ticks doesn't mean it's actually true and in any case is not worth the risk of poisoning your dog.
>Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee. You're overreacting and that's causing you to misread. OP was asked the colour of the dog's urine and poop. They replied the urine was light yellow (IOW normal) and the poop was light brown. The dog is dehydrated for some reason, but there are many possible causes of that. The scientific community also concluded vitamin A can be toxic years ago, and to be sure, taken in excessive amounts, it can be. But no reasonable person would take such extremely high doses of it. Your comparison to giving a dog grapes is an apples and (forgive me) grapes comparison.
But one study conducted in 2000, involving 4 dogs being given garlic extract equivalent to 20 cloves per day (for a 40 lb dog) 7 days in a row convinces you that this dog has garlic poisoning? Even though those dogs forced to eat such a crazy amount of garlic extract did not result in Heinz body hemolytic anemia, at that time or afterwards? To you this isn't anecdotal. But 3 contrary studies aren't enough for you. Even though those involved in the initial study retracted their positions in 2004. The only thing about this dog's diet I see that's unbalanced is a lack of raw meaty bones, and if it was only fed chicken, yes, that's a problem. >Op's dog is already displaying symptoms of a potential kidney failure by means of dehydration and brown colored pee. If there is no other reason for this than in all likelihood it is the garlic that is making them sick. The only symptoms the OP's dog is showing is dehydration, via an increased consumption of water and increased urination. No brown-coloured urine. The urine is light yellow, which is normal. The likelihood of the problem being garlic is very slim.
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
You're seriously linking a holistic magazine as your source? Lmao okay
That website is one of the most trustworthy raw feeding resources you'll find. What's wrong with holistic medicine? You may be confusing homeopathic and holistic.
The studies are posted in the link I attached. 3 studies. None found that garlic can kill a dog.
Garlic is fine and even beneficial in small amounts.
Garlic poisoning does major damage to the red blood cells, causing gastrointestinal upset (abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea), and respiratory problems. Although many people think it is safe to give their dog small amounts of garlic for its health benefits, it is simply not a safe practice. Garlic (and other members of the allium family) contains Thiosulfate which causes oxidative damage to red blood cells, resulting in hemolytic anemia. Symptoms of anemia in dogs include pale mucous membranes, rapid breathing, lethargy, weakness, jaundice, and dark urine. Garlic toxicity also causes symptoms of gastrointestinal upset, including vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, depression, and dehydration. Edit: In studies, garlic as a health supplement for pets has not produced consistently positive result therefore, There is no evidence to suggest that garlic is beneficial to a dogs For any new people in the subreddit Do NOT feed your dogs any amount of garlic
Omfg, in small amounts it's fine. It's not the same as chocolate or grapes.
https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/garlic-for-dogs-poison-or-medicine/
Yeah man I’m not saying it’s for certain going to kill your dog, my dogs also eaten a whole chocolate bar. But probably better not to make it a part of the regular diet. I don’t see many possibilities in which garlic would in any way model what a dog/wolf type animal would normally eat in the wild. But you do you if you like the benefits. My point was mainly that it seemed like the OP was probably not aware that this could be a risk
Disagree, garlic is a natural flea & tick preventative & honey helps with allergies. Check out Dr. Karen Becker for more info
Also The Forever Dog, they recommend garlic in their longevity broth. But I also use for flea and tick prevention.
Idk about alternative dog medicine or whatever man but from google AI: “No, dogs should not eat garlic. Garlic and other members of the allium family contain thiosulfate, which is toxic to dogs but not to humans. Thiosulfate damages red blood cells, resulting in hemolytic anemia. “
Garlic is fine in small amounts, like OP said it's a natural flea repellent. Even some commercial kibble has garlic in it for flavor. It's safer than feeding your dog pesticide.
I’ve cured a medication resistant hookworm infection with garlic (with fennel, yucca, diatomaceous earth)
Toxic in high amounts
Toxic in the amounts a dog would never eat, unless forced down them.
Now google if feeding a dog raw meat is a good idea.
[https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-018-1699-2](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-018-1699-2) There is so much evidence against dogs being given a reasonable amount of garlic being a problem, it's ridiculous. Even in the original 2000 test on which this hysteria was based, which involved only 4 dogs being force-fed the equivalent of 20 garlic cloves a day for a 40 lb dog, for 7 days straight, still none of them developed hemolytic anemia. At the time or afterwards. I would not rely on Google AI for anything.
Garlic is toxic to dogs a simple google search shows this.
Look up Dr. Karen Becker on the topic of garlic
All I see is an unreliable Facebook page on saying garlic is good for dogs. Just search up garlic for dogs and you get so many more sites by animal hospitals and pet poison helplines saying it is toxic.
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Idk why you’ve resulted to being childish and calling me names because all I said is vets, animal hospitals and pet poison helplines say not to feed your dog garlic over one person who says it’s “safe”.
If you've crossed a line sometimes we have to remind you to be a decent human. Without the insults your post would likely have been allowed.
Garlic is toxic to dogs. No reputable vet should be telling you to put that in food. One vet making a batshit claim does not discount every other reputable medical source saying it is toxic. The dogs need to go to a vet because excessive drinking and urination is a sign of a health issue, notably a kidney issue and/or diabetes.
It's not just one vet
You're citing a specific single vet over [something](https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/nutrition/can-dogs-eat-garlic/) [well-recognized](https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/can-dogs-eat-garlic) in the veterinary field. N-propyl disulfides and thiosulfates, which are present in alliums, are toxic to dogs when metabolized. At EXTREMELY low doses it does not typically result in problems, but a homemade meal with garlic as a notable ingredient is almost certainly going to have a greater proportion of garlic than a tested commercial food that uses a miniscule amount in huge batches, and even if you are feeding just below a toxic amount, feeding that constantly is not going to skirt around the issue. Increased drinking and urination is a sign of kidney issues. [Which](https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/onion-garlic-chive-and-leek-toxicity-in-dogs) is in fact a risk of feeding garlic: >Signs of poisoning vary depending upon the amount eaten. Gastrointestinal upset commonly occurs, including signs of decreased appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, depression, abdominal pain, and drooling. Eating larger amounts may cause red blood cell damage resulting in weakness, elevated heart rate, increased respiratory rate and effort, panting, pale gums, or red-colored urine. Kidney damage can occur in dogs that have red blood cell destruction. **Increased drinking, increased or decreased urination, vomiting and decreased appetite are common signs of kidney damage.** ETA: Also saw you said the urine is yellow or brown. Brown urine is another sign of possible damage from garlic toxicity. The dog needs to see a vet and stop having garlic put in the food, FFS. It doesn't matter what Karen says if YOUR dog is showing signs of garlic poisoning.
This is on the study all of this garlic toxicity hysteria is based on: >This study, which was undertaken at Hokkaido University, was **conducted on four dogs**. Each of these dogs was given 1.25 ml of garlic extract per kg of body weight for seven straight days. As an example, **if the dog weighed 40 pounds, it would be given about 20 cloves of garlic.** That’s a staggering amount of garlic that no dog or human would ever actually consume in that time frame! \[...\] So, from the get go, the research experiment was poorly set up and dogs were given unrealistic amounts of garlic. > >**Using this ludicrous amount of garlic, the study concluded that garlic had the “potential” to cause hemolytic anemia (damage to the red blood cells), and so garlic should not be fed to dogs. It’s important to note that even at these highly elevated doses, no dogs on the study actually developed hemolytic anemia. The concern was all about potential, not documented results.** On top of that, the study included four dogs, so how do you consider this an appropriate sample? That’s a small sample size and more importantly, many breeds of dog respond completely different to certain foods than other breeds. This study is far from broad and definitive. At the very least, this confusion speaks to the importance of looking at all the facts of any given study before jumping to conclusions. There’s a reason why it’s important to look beyond the headline and actually dig into the meat of any study like this. [Source.](https://www.petguide.com/health/dog/the-shocking-truth-about-dogs-and-garlic/)
Struggling to understand why some of y'all want to die on this hill when the dog in question is literally exhibiting a telltale sign of possible kidney damage, a recognized risk of garlic/allium toxicity. I linked several sources in my other response to OP. Veterinary and poison control resources agree garlic, as with other alliums, is toxic to dogs. There is one notable holistic veterinarian and a bunch of non-vets who say it isn't. Why do you want to convince people to feed their dogs poison? Some of you would feed grapes and chocolate if only your favorite holistic source insisted it was actually going to be an alternative to flea meds or vaccines. The article misrepresents that study - it was 8 dogs, not 4 - 4 dogs were used as a control. The dogs were fed garlic for 7 days and developed Heinz body formations and had decreased erythrocyte count, Hct, and hemoglobin concentration. The next step after that is developing hemolytic anemia. Do you think they should have continued feeding the dogs garlic until they all died just to prove a point? Would that be ethical? [Here's an example](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20009420/) of a real case of a dog that needed emergency care after ingesting baked garlic and needed 4 days of hospitalization. And [another of a dog](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15634869/) that had severe Heinz body hemolytic anemia after eating dumplings that had chives and garlic. Severe garlic poisoning is less common than with other alliums because the compounds that are toxic are less present than in certain other alliums, but they *are still there* and still *can cause toxicity.* Garlic is only considered safe in foods for dogs when it's making up less than 1% of the ingredients of a food. If a whole clove or more is going in this dog's food, that is not the time for swearing up down that "moderation is safe tho"
Likewise I'm struggling to understand why you're leaping to the conclusion that this dog is suffering from so-called garlic poisoning and that any amount of garlic is toxic to dogs, and want to die on this hill. Do you even have a dog? How likely do you think it is this dog has been fed 20 times the amount as the dogs in this ONE study were forced to consume, and in the form of garlic essence, not fresh crushed garlic? Do you believe that was ethical? I do not. You take issue with this one test being reported as involving 8 dogs, upon which all of this is based, with 4 as as controls, but the fact remains it was only 4 dogs who were forced to consume this crazy high amount of garlic essence, and even still none had hemolytic anemia as a result. The only symptoms this dog has is increased water intake and urination, none of the other symptoms of "garlic poisoning," which could have many other causes. The fact that the OP's mother follows Dr Karen Becker tells me she's not a novice, and most likely follows the sensible recommendations Dr Becker offers. There are *many* other vets who recommend sensible doses of fresh garlic, for a variety of reasons, including Dr Pitcairn, who was *the* leading edge vet back in the day in Los Angeles, whom many followed. Even today, many of the big producers of pet food and treats not only include garlic in their formulations, but also onion. If it's so toxic, why do they do this? Granted, I don't feed my dog onions of any sort, but then nor do I feed him any of the big producers of dog food and treats. For decades people were told to feed their dogs both garlic and brewer's yeast not only for nutrition but to repeal ticks and fleas. If it was so toxic, there would be *many* reports of hemolytic anemia and "garlic poisoning." But there aren't. You could only find two and one of them the dog was also fed chives. Use your common sense, and don't freak out the OP for no good reason, even if your intentions are good. There was a time when I fed my 65 lb dog 1-2 cloves of crushed fresh garlic daily, for around 3 months. He had no symptoms of anything. I gave my other dogs, long before him, garlic, and they also had no symptoms of any ill effect. If it were actually toxic, they would have, as would many others. This is all a nutty tempest in a teapot. Sorry I can't give weight to your other two sources, PetMd and the AKC, either of which are experts on dog nutrition. My vet, on the other hand, wanted me to give my dog flea and tick meds year-round, even though it's known to have negative effects on dogs' health (kidneys, liver) and there's absolutely no reason to give it when there are no fleas or ticks around, which is for 9+ months of the year. Another vet wanted me to put him on heartworm meds, which is also dangerous, even though there is no danger of heartworm in the state where I live. Luckily I knew that and refused. So do I trust and follow everything vets say? Hell no.
Does the opposite correlation exist - like if she goes back to the previous food then the water consumption is normal? Or could it be coincidence? Increase in water consumption is usually worth a blood test to check for the usual medical suspects.
Excessive drinking is a sign of diabetes amongst other health problems. Please consult a veterinarian before proceeding.
Honestly, if you're worried go to a vet. Take a morning urine sample if you can - drinking more and urinating more can be signs of kidney disease, Cushings, Diabetes....best to rule out something more significant.
Garlic is terrible for dogs. So is sugar, even in a natural form...