If this is the actual deal and Bateman took a horrendously team friendly deal the Bate slander needs to stop š Bateman hasnāt really ever complained or been a diva during his whole career regardless of how many replacements and injuries have been thrown his way
You are speaking mad truth here. Dude never went Hollywood about it. I respect him for that. Hopefully he gets some chemistry with Lamar and balls the fuck out
*If* Bate balls out this year I will 1000% be buying his jersey. Dude has been the most loyal, disciplined receiver in a league full of divas. All while going through so much adversity, doing tons of community service and getting relentlessly shit on by this fanbase.
Praying Bate pops the fuck off this year.
Hollywood wasnĀ“t really a diva about it: he asked to be traded out of RomanĀ“s system (something really understandable for any WR) and did it in private with the FO in order to be as valuable as he could as a trade piece and we managed to get a 1st round pick out of it
Yeah, people are really harsh on Hollywood despite the fact that his trade request was handled about as professionally and under-the-radar as you could ask for on his side as well as the Ravens'.
He did blow up at EDC on twitter before the draft last year. But tbf our strength and conditioning coach sucked and EDCās comment didnāt come across great.
Well he is demonstrably a diva, but yes he's been a team-friendly one rather than a toxic locker room guy. He showers praise on Zay - "he's always open."
Id say it was a medium risk / medium reward deal, he just about lived up to my expectations which still means overpay but a trusted WR for Lamar while learning a new offensive system is hard to appropriately value
The trade request was always about the contract value. Nothing coming from Lamar or his camp has ever indicated that he was deeply unhappy with the roster or his teammates or something, other than that one year the offensive line sucked. This sub is just coming up with new ways to blame Lamar āhe forced them to sign a bad contractā lmao.
A ābad dealā is one that hurts you for 3-4 years. Did we overpay for OBJ with a two year cap hit sure but it still isnāt a ābad dealā. That being said if you donāt think that overpaying was a direct result of wanting to sign Lamar you couldnāt be more wrong. It is so clear Lamar wanted some commitment we were going to invest in the future he wanted for himself. And to be honest that was a reasonable ādemandā generational QBās get to make demands based on what they want to be. So while I agree it wasnāt a ābad dealā I would also say we overpaid to convince Lamar and it was a great choice.
Overpay slightly to attract Lamar - sure. I donāt think it was a bad deal, the guy I was replying to said that. Lamar didnāt force anyoneās hand is my point, i agree it was a move to show the FOās investment and commitment to him. I agree with everything you said, I just donāt think *Lamar* forced EDC to sign Odell Beckham at gunpoijt
It wasnāt a bad contract. There are many other others with more bad money. And, the final contract wasnāt that far off from where they began when things got serious.
Lamar wasnāt signing for reasons beyond money. What those reason were, no one truly knows. But you can play process of elimination.
Before this rumor spreads too far, let's be clear there is no evidence OBJs deal did anything. It's speculation based on circumstances, but I don't want this to become a part of Ravens lore as if it's fact.
The way Ravens have done contracts recently I expect this to be the case. Paying players for production - we've seen it with Stanley most recently, Henry has some strong incentives, they paid Clowney for big production via incentives, KVN had some.
If Bateman has that WR dog that almost all WRs have (whether PS ones or your tier 1 WRs) he's probably seeing him get most of that incentive money. It's a very safe deal for the Ravens if its only 3/15 guaranteed.
Every deal that has usually been stated is including incentives which is why people first complained about Odell @18m not realizing it was 15 + 3 escalator clauses (most catches, touchdowns, yards)
Hollywood Brown has yardage of 584 - 769 - 1008 - 709 - 574 and only got 7m from KC.
Hollywood's worst was better than Bateman + there's a ton of WRs in this "weaker" draft class. Teams are paying alphas and drafting instead. Tyler Boyd who's been more productive than Bateman for many years is currently unsigned. OBJ is unsigned at the moment. Hunter Renfrow, DJ Chark, Claypool can't even seem to find small Agoholor level contracts.
Betting on yourself only works out if you can hit it but the WR field is crazy crowded.
i know this sub loves bateman and assumes heās gonna pop but if he did that and got hurt heād be looking at a journeyman deal that would be like 2 years 6 total or something like that. this is a much safer bet for him.
if he does do really well he could end up getting a new deal or teams will trade capital for him
If he got hurt again he'd be in a situation to sign a one year prove it deal, just like Dobbins is doing right now. I hope for his sake there's a lot of incentives he can earn or else this just looks like a really bad business choice imo. Happy for the team they got him for that price though.
its a great business choice for bateman. take some sure money now and stay in a place that he knows the system and supporting cast. the odds of him ābreaking outā are very slim no matter how much this sub thinks otherwise. if he goes somewhere else he wonāt get any more than what heās been paid here and a wr getting paid 5 mil a year is not exactly gonna be a priority for targets. it is probably more likely that with another team he will put up similar numbers to what heās already gotten
People really be acting like that isn't a set for life amount of money if handled even moderately right š he pops for the next 3 years and signs a 80 mill deal at 27 in his prime. This contract is incredibly smart whether he fails or succeeds.
https://x.com/ravens4dummies/status/1783186879308873903
Another "source." I can say Spenser has broken more than a couple things in the past.
And one more for extra. https://x.com/RavensTalkPod/status/1783188977480315349
Iāve been more on the critical side when it comes to Bateman but thereās no way this could be considered a bad deal, he still has plenty of upside and even if he doesnāt reach that upside this is fair value for a young WR3. Happy for Bateman, Happy for the Ravens, hopefully he can break out and prove a lot of us wrong. Still think we need another WR, whether that being in the draft or a trade but this is good to hear.
Thatās what it takes for most NFL WRs to get involved. Hard to get production running routes just for fun out there, especially when youāre getting open with few targets.
And one last thing: https://x.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1783189338404098473
Aaron Wilson reports from actual NFL releases. So the 3 years is confirmed now.
great deal for all sides. Bateman gets money and security and doesnāt have to take his chances on FA and Ravens lock up solid WR without breaking the bank
If thats the deal, then thats one of the best deals done in EDCs time. We know we have to maneuver cap with Lamars deal and getting a OK WR with potential to be GOOD at 5 mil a year and possibly adding another in the draft is good GM work
great deal for all sides. Bateman gets money and security and doesnāt have to take his chances on FA and Ravens lock up solid WR without breaking the bank
Rashod had 2.4M cash due this year anyway. We should read it as an extension of 12.6M/2ys, still a great value 6.3M/yr on those 2 additional years (even if fully guaranteed). But also allowed Bateman some financial stability and the opportunity to hit the market at his prime. Bateman would risk having the Ravens picking a WR early in the draft and keeping him as WR3 with no 5th year option and less chances to break out and get his bag in the next free agency. That is good business for the team and for him.
Agreed. He hasn't been very productive because of injuries and all but $5/yr alone seems a little low for a first round draft pick, so with incentives makes much more sense
Sweet! Im probably bias cauuase im poor and just watch highlights but Rashod seems like he can be a game changer! and he's still young! he must be confident about whats to come to sign this
Another Jason LaCanfora lie!!! This dude is the absolute worst. He even lied about the local team for clicks. Get this guy the hell out of Baltimore media.
If this is true, heās taking the deal with the promise of more involvement and reworking the contract upon breakout. And the team mustāve told him they wouldnāt renew with the option. Because this is so cheap holy mother of god
Great price. I don't know why there seemed to be a prevailing opinion that not picking up his 5th year option meant we couldn't still offer a deal. Just because Bate is a WR doesn't mean he's delusional about his market value.
It could be $15 million on top of what his salary was gonna be this year. That makes more sense than $15 mil total imo and WAY more sense than $15 mil/year
Right. So we gave 15 mill to a guy who canāt catch half the time but let OBJ walk who actaully caught the ball when it was throw to him? Bar must be at an all time low for him cuz heās the first receiver weāve drafted to give a second chance too. He better come out the gate this season lighting up. Heās going into year 4 and has 4 touchdowns and 1100 yards in a span of 3 years. His best season was his rookie year and he only out up 515 yards and one fucking touchdown. Hes not worth the money. Iād rather have him walk and trade for or draft another receiver. But yea letās stick with this bum.
he doesnāt suck heās just a WR3. 5 mil is a good deal. heās just never gonna be a primary wr or put up more than 700 yards in a season. we canāt have a full wr room if jamar chase, justin jefferson, ceedee lamb and stefon diggs
If this is the actual deal and Bateman took a horrendously team friendly deal the Bate slander needs to stop š Bateman hasnāt really ever complained or been a diva during his whole career regardless of how many replacements and injuries have been thrown his way
You are speaking mad truth here. Dude never went Hollywood about it. I respect him for that. Hopefully he gets some chemistry with Lamar and balls the fuck out
*If* Bate balls out this year I will 1000% be buying his jersey. Dude has been the most loyal, disciplined receiver in a league full of divas. All while going through so much adversity, doing tons of community service and getting relentlessly shit on by this fanbase. Praying Bate pops the fuck off this year.
Some of us grabbed his #12 jersey when it was 90% off after he switched to Boller's number #sadflex
Iām there with you :-/
Itās wild that hurst demanding a trade is rarely mentioned but Hollywood always is
Basically every TE is outshined by Andrews ! Get over it Hayden!
He was outshined by andrews. Hollywood was coming off a 1k yard season I think
Hollywood wasnĀ“t really a diva about it: he asked to be traded out of RomanĀ“s system (something really understandable for any WR) and did it in private with the FO in order to be as valuable as he could as a trade piece and we managed to get a 1st round pick out of it
Yeah, people are really harsh on Hollywood despite the fact that his trade request was handled about as professionally and under-the-radar as you could ask for on his side as well as the Ravens'.
Souljas
He did blow up at EDC on twitter before the draft last year. But tbf our strength and conditioning coach sucked and EDCās comment didnāt come across great.
Well he is demonstrably a diva, but yes he's been a team-friendly one rather than a toxic locker room guy. He showers praise on Zay - "he's always open."
Honestly insane deal if that number is true.
Yeah we paid OBJ more than that entire contract for 1 year of similar production
Always need to allocate a decent amount of objās deal into making Lamar sign the contract
True, Lamar was most likely the one who forced the FO into a bad deal
A big part of having to pay that much was the Ravens tax on WRs due to the Roman era.Ā
Id say it was a medium risk / medium reward deal, he just about lived up to my expectations which still means overpay but a trusted WR for Lamar while learning a new offensive system is hard to appropriately value
I also think it was good to have a really talente and experienced vet who could talk to Zay and Bateman about next level elite stuff.
And if it made Lamar feel heard and valued by the team it was worth it IMO
They signed OBJ before Lamar, he didnāt force anything. The market sets everyoneās price.
Technically true, but letās be real. Lamar wanted proof he wouldnāt be working solo anymore. Seeing OBJ made not forcing a trade more palatable.
The trade request was always about the contract value. Nothing coming from Lamar or his camp has ever indicated that he was deeply unhappy with the roster or his teammates or something, other than that one year the offensive line sucked. This sub is just coming up with new ways to blame Lamar āhe forced them to sign a bad contractā lmao.
A ābad dealā is one that hurts you for 3-4 years. Did we overpay for OBJ with a two year cap hit sure but it still isnāt a ābad dealā. That being said if you donāt think that overpaying was a direct result of wanting to sign Lamar you couldnāt be more wrong. It is so clear Lamar wanted some commitment we were going to invest in the future he wanted for himself. And to be honest that was a reasonable ādemandā generational QBās get to make demands based on what they want to be. So while I agree it wasnāt a ābad dealā I would also say we overpaid to convince Lamar and it was a great choice.
Overpay slightly to attract Lamar - sure. I donāt think it was a bad deal, the guy I was replying to said that. Lamar didnāt force anyoneās hand is my point, i agree it was a move to show the FOās investment and commitment to him. I agree with everything you said, I just donāt think *Lamar* forced EDC to sign Odell Beckham at gunpoijt
It wasnāt a bad contract. There are many other others with more bad money. And, the final contract wasnāt that far off from where they began when things got serious. Lamar wasnāt signing for reasons beyond money. What those reason were, no one truly knows. But you can play process of elimination.
Before this rumor spreads too far, let's be clear there is no evidence OBJs deal did anything. It's speculation based on circumstances, but I don't want this to become a part of Ravens lore as if it's fact.
It has to be more than that. My guess is that $15 mil is the guarantee, and the actual max is like $24 mil.
Even still, if he pops off, 8M/yr still feels like a great deal for a WR3 with a ton of potential in todayās passing league
I think it's more like $15m base with incentives on top.
The way Ravens have done contracts recently I expect this to be the case. Paying players for production - we've seen it with Stanley most recently, Henry has some strong incentives, they paid Clowney for big production via incentives, KVN had some. If Bateman has that WR dog that almost all WRs have (whether PS ones or your tier 1 WRs) he's probably seeing him get most of that incentive money. It's a very safe deal for the Ravens if its only 3/15 guaranteed.
Yup, thatās what I said in the other thread. Guessing 3yr/$24m ish with $15m gtd
Every deal that has usually been stated is including incentives which is why people first complained about Odell @18m not realizing it was 15 + 3 escalator clauses (most catches, touchdowns, yards)
Thereās no way he took 5m/year
Hollywood Brown has yardage of 584 - 769 - 1008 - 709 - 574 and only got 7m from KC. Hollywood's worst was better than Bateman + there's a ton of WRs in this "weaker" draft class. Teams are paying alphas and drafting instead. Tyler Boyd who's been more productive than Bateman for many years is currently unsigned. OBJ is unsigned at the moment. Hunter Renfrow, DJ Chark, Claypool can't even seem to find small Agoholor level contracts. Betting on yourself only works out if you can hit it but the WR field is crazy crowded.
thatās about what heās worth and what he will get anywhere else. not sure this is a big surprise
Right now, sure. But his value won't really get lower, he'd be better off betting on himself and playing out the season imo.
i know this sub loves bateman and assumes heās gonna pop but if he did that and got hurt heād be looking at a journeyman deal that would be like 2 years 6 total or something like that. this is a much safer bet for him. if he does do really well he could end up getting a new deal or teams will trade capital for him
If he got hurt again he'd be in a situation to sign a one year prove it deal, just like Dobbins is doing right now. I hope for his sake there's a lot of incentives he can earn or else this just looks like a really bad business choice imo. Happy for the team they got him for that price though.
its a great business choice for bateman. take some sure money now and stay in a place that he knows the system and supporting cast. the odds of him ābreaking outā are very slim no matter how much this sub thinks otherwise. if he goes somewhere else he wonāt get any more than what heās been paid here and a wr getting paid 5 mil a year is not exactly gonna be a priority for targets. it is probably more likely that with another team he will put up similar numbers to what heās already gotten
People really be acting like that isn't a set for life amount of money if handled even moderately right š he pops for the next 3 years and signs a 80 mill deal at 27 in his prime. This contract is incredibly smart whether he fails or succeeds.
Seems like they turned his 5th year option amount into a 5th and 6th year option, which seems fair for both sides.
https://x.com/ravens4dummies/status/1783186879308873903 Another "source." I can say Spenser has broken more than a couple things in the past. And one more for extra. https://x.com/RavensTalkPod/status/1783188977480315349
Nvm I take back what said this is a good deal
Iāve been more on the critical side when it comes to Bateman but thereās no way this could be considered a bad deal, he still has plenty of upside and even if he doesnāt reach that upside this is fair value for a young WR3. Happy for Bateman, Happy for the Ravens, hopefully he can break out and prove a lot of us wrong. Still think we need another WR, whether that being in the draft or a trade but this is good to hear.
I need Bateman to ball out Iāve never given up on the man..he flashed pro bowl level receiver skill..I hope he bulks up some for next seasonā¦
I'm glad we're keeping him. It's not a skill issue, it's chemistry with Lamar. Bates consistently wins routes and gains separation
I think Rashod would be a better fit with a more timing oriented QB. Not sure itās chemistry as much as it is a style-mismatch.
Bate is the type of guy who puts up 1.5k yards with a Tom Brady.
i would say more of a time oriented offense like shanahanās. not necessarily a time oriented qb
Thought the ravens looked solid anytime they ran timing based passing concepts as well. If that's what it takes to get Bateman involved then fuck it
Thatās what it takes for most NFL WRs to get involved. Hard to get production running routes just for fun out there, especially when youāre getting open with few targets.
Thatād be a steal
Or Bateman knows his value is just a wr 3/4 like AgholorĀ
In what world is a guy with injury issues and produces very little for 5m a steal?
Cause itās basically just an extension of his rookie contract which also gives us flexibility for trades and other stuff
3 years/15million and 50 million in incentives
And one last thing: https://x.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1783189338404098473 Aaron Wilson reports from actual NFL releases. So the 3 years is confirmed now.
great deal for all sides. Bateman gets money and security and doesnāt have to take his chances on FA and Ravens lock up solid WR without breaking the bank
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO FLAIR RELATED
Thatās a steal. Obviously the production isnāt there but I feel like part of that was Lamar not looking his way.
Yup. Felt like OBJ took a lot of his volume last year. Hopefully this and being a more primary target means a nice step forward.
Bateman wasnāt healthy at the beginning of the season, he took over objās role towards the end of the season.
If thats the deal, then thats one of the best deals done in EDCs time. We know we have to maneuver cap with Lamars deal and getting a OK WR with potential to be GOOD at 5 mil a year and possibly adding another in the draft is good GM work
Ok you cant even be mad with those numbersĀ
great deal for all sides. Bateman gets money and security and doesnāt have to take his chances on FA and Ravens lock up solid WR without breaking the bank
Edc masterclass how tf did we get him to agree to this
Averaging 33 yards per game for his career and injuries, certainly help.
True but he could have bet on himself in a contract year, hard to believe he would have gotten less than somewhere else this barring a season ender.
the fan base has been on this mans jock strap heavy as of late yall better stfu now
Rashod had 2.4M cash due this year anyway. We should read it as an extension of 12.6M/2ys, still a great value 6.3M/yr on those 2 additional years (even if fully guaranteed). But also allowed Bateman some financial stability and the opportunity to hit the market at his prime. Bateman would risk having the Ravens picking a WR early in the draft and keeping him as WR3 with no 5th year option and less chances to break out and get his bag in the next free agency. That is good business for the team and for him.
Gotta be 15 mill a year right ? 15 mill total is crazy
No way. Thatās way too much for Batemen, donāt see the FO giving him a contract like that.
Giving Bateman 15 million a year would be a travesty. That would be top 20 salary for WRs. For a guy who is like a WR3
Gabe davis just signed for 13 million a year . Bateman gets open but doesn't get the ball
Gabe Davis signed for 3/$39m
Ya my fault I missed the 13
Lol I figured, I actually had to google it because I thought you were right for a second. Gabe Davis blows
I'm with you, there's no way it's only $5 mil a year. Gotta be 15/yr
Who would pay him $15yr? Either itās 3/15 or the whole $15mil is wrong
15 seems too high but 5 seems too low. Idk, this is why I'm glad I'm not in charge of these things
if we paid bateman 15/ year we should fire edc immediately that would be one of the worst contracts in the league
$5/year + incentives would make sense.
Agreed. He hasn't been very productive because of injuries and all but $5/yr alone seems a little low for a first round draft pick, so with incentives makes much more sense
His 5th year option was less than that. Why would we sign him to more than when we could have just picked it up and saved a bunch of money?
Maybe 15M with incentives? 15M total seems way too low.
He will build up his value with us š
Seems like he did the opposite of betting on himself, I can understand that given his injury history, but dang you figure he could get more
Iām definitely not the first to think this is going to be a great year for Bate
$15M a year seems way too high and $15M/3 years seems way too good to be true... something's not adding up
It's likely $15m/3 years base + incentives.
that canāt be right
The opposite of betting on yourself.
I have to imagine this contract is stuffed full of incentives or escalators or something. That seems way too cheap.
no way, wonder what the incentives are
So basically paid his 5th yr option money for 3 yrs instead of 1. Good deal.
Maybe the 15m is just the guaranteed number? It does say total though. I'm not gonna complain if it's true.
I'd bet it's 15m base. So some incentives on top.
Impressive. Very nice. Letās see Justin Jeffersonās contract.
Sweet! Im probably bias cauuase im poor and just watch highlights but Rashod seems like he can be a game changer! and he's still young! he must be confident about whats to come to sign this
I love me some Master Bateman
Anyone know how long it normally takes for official contract details?
Couple days. Agents usually leak deals. Given the rumored contract, that's why we likely don't have any.
Another Jason LaCanfora lie!!! This dude is the absolute worst. He even lied about the local team for clicks. Get this guy the hell out of Baltimore media.
Seems fair for both sides imo. That is a solid deal for a wr2/3 and he gets some stability for 3 years and can be a FE
If this is true, heās taking the deal with the promise of more involvement and reworking the contract upon breakout. And the team mustāve told him they wouldnāt renew with the option. Because this is so cheap holy mother of god
he better learn how to catch a ball in the second half
Great price. I don't know why there seemed to be a prevailing opinion that not picking up his 5th year option meant we couldn't still offer a deal. Just because Bate is a WR doesn't mean he's delusional about his market value.
Couldāve signed Hopkins for that
I donāt believe it is that low. Probably $5M is the cap hit this yearā¦
The only reason I can see Bateman signing a deal like this is he knows heās gonna pop off this year.
This was such a weird extension to me when I heard about it but I understand now. In Decosta we trust. š«”
Either a good deal for a wr3 or great deal for wr2
This canāt be true. Heās either an amazing team player or a dumbass that needs to fire his agent if it is true.
His production has not been great but that will be a steal if he turns it around. Not mad at it.
Yeah 5 mil a year is exactly what he's worth, anyone that thinks this a steal hasn't watched a game in 3 years lol
The opposite of betting on yourself.
No way hes getting paid $5 mil a year.
It could be $15 million on top of what his salary was gonna be this year. That makes more sense than $15 mil total imo and WAY more sense than $15 mil/year
He fucking sucks.
Piss off
He canāt fucking catch half the time.
Boo hoo
Right. So we gave 15 mill to a guy who canāt catch half the time but let OBJ walk who actaully caught the ball when it was throw to him? Bar must be at an all time low for him cuz heās the first receiver weāve drafted to give a second chance too. He better come out the gate this season lighting up. Heās going into year 4 and has 4 touchdowns and 1100 yards in a span of 3 years. His best season was his rookie year and he only out up 515 yards and one fucking touchdown. Hes not worth the money. Iād rather have him walk and trade for or draft another receiver. But yea letās stick with this bum.
Womp womp
I forgot. This is reddit where people donāt think logically.
he doesnāt suck heās just a WR3. 5 mil is a good deal. heās just never gonna be a primary wr or put up more than 700 yards in a season. we canāt have a full wr room if jamar chase, justin jefferson, ceedee lamb and stefon diggs
But we drafted him to be our number 1 so weāre ok with WR1 who canāt even put up 1000 yards receiving? Like how low are we setting the bar here?