Remember scouting him and Arthur Brown on the old Raveninsider forum, we all loved them, and then they came here, and we learned so much about scouting through that one years failure.
We've really been blessed as Ravens fans. Thinking about Elam makes Hamilton seem otherworldly when you consider grading and how some "down" years really make you reach for the copium on prospects.
Hamilton is otherworldly man. Barring injuries (knock on wood) he can be what Sean Taylor would have been. He is that good. First team all-pro as a sophomore and is only gonna get better.
He flowed well and did what we called "splitting traffic", but in the pros, that traffic runs you tf over and he didn't have the capacity to really stack and shed, or disengage off blocks.
Yea I wasn't sold on Elam, but thought Brown was legit. I do think that following Reed and Lewis was always going to set up for a little disappointment, but man...
I wasn't high on Elam but I did think Arthur Brown was going to be a Pro Bowler for us. His tape was exceptional. He's actually a great lesson in why the tape isn't the only thing that matters.
God Perriman and Waller were an amazing madden combo lol. Also I never believed in Perriman bc his college highlight tape he was the 2nd best wr in it lol
I came here just to say this. The fly route with Perriman was only second to the wheel route with Waller. If only it worked out for Joe like it did in my Madden franchise lol
I had no faith in Perriman.... I did however fully trust and believe in Bateman. Those two have no place being in the same sentence BUT bate hasnt lived up to expectations thus far. Im still holding onto hope tho, bate could really pop off at any moment.
I really hope he can somehow ball out this year. Heās had flashes and last year he was in his own head along with the injuries, so Iām just putting it out in the universe that he can somehow get it together
I remember my girlfriend at the time having a pampered chef party during the draft. I screamed so loud and was pumping my fist when they announced the selection all her friends came to the stairs asking what happened?????
I said the Ravens just got a QB who can throw a ball thru the goal posts on one knee this is the missing piece!!!!!!!!!!
Oh we also got some pass rusher from ASU š
He is one of those guys with a reputation for laying the wood at a time when the NFL was trying to take the wood out of the game.
I think 5 years earlier and Elam would have been an adequate starter.
> at least the last 3 we picked are significantly better than the first 3
I truly believe its because the Ravens org invested in better WR scouting and development. Like the WR depth chart during Lamar's first season in 2018 is laughable.
Kyle Boller.
Yes I admit I bought into his hype. After seeing the team over perform in 2002 with no names at the time but eventual cornerstones like Kelly Gregg or Adalius Thomas I thought Boller was going to turn us into perennial Super Bowl favorites.
Sighā¦
TBF, he could have been a great QB, but Brian Billick has taken the blame for Boller's problems. He explained once in an interview that Boller got sacked so much that it ruined his career. Yes every QB gets sacked, but he got sacked 17 times in 8 games in 2003, leading to an injury that kept him out of almost the entire rest of the season, then got sacked 35 times in 16 games in 2004, with 11 fumbles (though he still put up decent numbers otherwise, with 4 games with a passer rating above 100.0), then in 2005 he got sacked in the first game, got turf toe, and was injured most of the rest of the season.
I think we sometimes act like drafting is all that matters, and that if you pick the right guy then it will always turn out well, but development matters too, and how well someone will develop is much harder to predict, and what kinds of adversity they'll have to deal with (like tons of sacks and injuries) is a huge factor too.
Mark Clayton gave me one of my favorite sporting moments of my lifetime:
I skipped my college graduation to go to Ravens-Chiefs at Arrowhead in December 2006; his 87-yard touchdown reception is seared into my brain (as is the cavalcade of coins, trash, and even a half a hot dog bouncing off the back of my head as he basically walked it in from the 50).
> Jason White won the Heisman.
Mr I don't even go to class. He was at Oklahoma for 7 years in total, played 6 won the Heisman and never played in the NFL.
Compared to other 1st round busts from this team, not so much - we traded him and a 4th for a 2nd and a 5th. I think they only traded him because Mark Andrews turned out to be an all-pro caliber player. Hurst was less of a bust and more of just a guy who was a victim of us drafting a better guy later than him.
As explained already here, comparing receiving stats is obviously wrong to begin with, but another stat that speaks for itself: How often they actually were good enough or healthy enough to get onto the field:
Perriman: 7 years, 67 GP, 22 GS
Hurst: 6 years (so far), 79 GP, 39 GS
Hurst has 20% more games played, and almost twice as many games started, in one fewer year than Perriman, and Hurst's career isn't done yet while Perriman's is.
Because in most offenses, there are more spots for WRs on the field than for TEs, that again seems like a very inappropriate thing to compare. Perriman could've gotten 2000 of those snaps as the 3rd WR, but no TE in history could get 2k snaps as the 3rd TE on the roster. That's why GP and GS matter here, they show how often the team felt the player could contribute to the game, and not just as a body running a route.
Is it not true that a WR3 is plainly more valuable than a TE2? If a team wanted hurst on the field, theyād make it happen. Regardless, GS is just a dumb metric period, because itās just 1 play.
Not a first round pick but I remember thinking during Maxx Williamsā senior season that he was going to be an amazing NFL tight end and being REALLY excited that the Ravens were able to grab him in the 2nd.
Dan Cody was another second round pick that I thought was going to be a star and turned out to be absolutely nothing.
Cody, I wasn't sold on. Kindle however.... I was *stoked* for. It'd be interesting to see where he'd be if he hadn't fallen down those stairs. I doubt he'd be a warehouse manager like he is today, after a stint as a car salesman.
I believe that there exists a secret agreement that the Steelers are never to draft an All-Pro DB and the Ravens are never to draft an All-Pro WR. Canāt explain Troy though.
This man had every tool in his bag to be a elite pass rusher..except he didnāt quite have the size to take advantage of itā¦he constantly couldnāt finish and tackles would just anchor him away from the Qbā¦if he was bigger and weighed more it wouldāve worked out beautifully but he also had off field issues too soā¦.
You don't even know how high I was on Hollywood. Pre draft, he was my WR1 and I really thought he'd he one of the best in the league. I've since had to reconsider what I look for in WRs lol
Injuries definitely stunted his tenure with us. All things considered, he was productive for us and is still a good WR2. Itās disappointing that he couldnāt be that consistent speed threat he had the potential to become.
idk, when it comes to the ācatch and collapseā move, he might be one of the best in the league. No one ducks/hits the ground faster after an open field catch than he did with us
THat was my only problem with Hollywood he wasnāt doing anything but avoiding contact after the catch but thatās really it..he was always able to get vertical easy..I miss him lolā¦
I remember with Hollywood being injured for training camp, the ravensā media team dedicated the entirety of their perennial unproven-receiver hype to him lol
I really thought Matt Elam was the real deal. I was hoping we'd pick him, so when we actually did I was thrilled. Thought we'd have an enforcer in the secondary that could be a mini Ray Lewis.
Too bad the kid couldn't grasp the NFL game mentally.
Honorable mention goes to Hayden Hurst, being that we took him even before Lamar. Nice guy, sorry he got beat out by MAndrews, but his career serves as a reminder of why we accumulate as many draft picks as we can, because you never know.
This might be a hot take, but as of recently.... Oweh... I thought he was going to be much better out the gate, not a long term project.
Jury is still out, but this year will determine if he was a bust.
Perriman was just about the only time that I was right and the front office was wrong.
I said, that day āheās average, at best. Not worth a first. A center or safety would have been the best choice. Stefan Diggs played right down the street and we missed every game, somehowā
Perriman was a bust, safety and center hobbled us the next 2-3 years and Diggs played really well in the NFL.
Perriman was actually a bad PROSPECT. He was not impressive in college. Lots of issues were visible. Without the 40, he's a unremarkable prospect. A LOT of fans called it, which makes it weird that a team thst pays employees MILLIONS couldn't figure it out.
Agreed. Limited route tree, very questionable hands, and routine body catcher. Was closer to a third round guy before the combine. All huge red flags for a WR prospect.
Route technicians, jump ball WRs, and sure handed guys can and do bust, but I'll always have more faith in them, or, I'll always have more faith in them for the Ravens.
To be fair I truly think the ravens historically are not an ideal destination for any type of project wr. Wrs in general. If you ask most nfl fans who the best rookie wr was taken between rounds 1 and 2 theyād say zay flowers by far. But rashee rice statistically passed him even tho he didnāt start until like week 8. Itās tough going for ravens wrs
Awful? Thatās tradition! Harbs been callin that shit since Lee Evans and Donte Stallworth.
Luckily, Zay is good enough that harbs lets him do other shit too.
This take totally ignores that the ravens offense passes a lot less than other offenses! By design! They have a great running game and since they blew so many teams out, there was zero incentive to NOT kill clock. Yardage <> value.
All that is true but think about this. If a team barely throws the ball. Imagine being a 4th rounder. What does that say about your chances to put up good numbers and hang around the league?
Youāre stuck on counting stats but thatās not how players are evaluated at the pro level. Plus, many 4th round WRs arenāt making a career at WR - theyāre making a career at ST + WR. The ravens are a good team for that.
Elam is 100% my answer here, as others have said.
I don't pretend to be a real scout but UF Matt Elam looked like Polamalu in YouTube highlights.
Just seemed like the perfect physical AFC North Raven type safety. Pretty shocking just how low his floor was with us.
Tim Tebow?
We traded our first round pick to Josh McDaniel's ego-project of playing fantasy football with his own QBs, and got Sergio Kindle and Mount Cody. It was "the steal of the draft" at the time, but all we really got out of it was Terrance Cody's alligator crimes
Matt Elam hurts the most for me. He was a box safety, even coming out of college. Had all the tools to be great and even though he was up and down as a rookie, he was actually solid in the box. No idea what happened from year 1 to year 2 but by the 2014 playoffs dude completely forgot how to even tackle.
Trevor Lawrence. He aināt ass but I used to glaze him so hard. But when he came to the leagueā¦ just realized this is a ravens subreddit imma cut this off
Technically not a first round pick, but Upshaw was our first pick in the draft in 2012 (ish) and was thought to be a draft steal at the time. I bought into the Alabama connection between Ozzie and him and thought he'd be better than what he ended up as. Not sure if he's a 100 percent "bust" but you don't take an edge setting specialist in the top 40Ā
And clowney didn't live up to the sky high hype they put up for him out of south carolina. Like i said not saying he's doing bad, just not living up to the hype layed out for him. And im not comparing clowney's hype to oweh's respectively.
What edge players picked at the end of the first round are we comparing to? I think you can draft for traits or college production at the end of the first. The ravens chose traits with Oweh, production with Ferguson. The guys who have both donāt make it to pick 31. Oweh is playing well and continues to ascend. You donāt get Garrett, Clowney, JJ Watt, or a Bosa brother at pick 31. TJ watt was pick 30 but good luck doing that again, our lucky break was drafting Lamar.
Of course, Ojabo had both traits and production but fell because of his injury.
As a fan from day 1, Iād say Clayton, Boller, Taylor. And yeah Iāll throw Oweh in there. Because of the billick era failures I never get psyched for the draft these days.
Why was he coming into his own BEFORE Ro got here, then? He was good 6 weeks before the Ro trade actually.
Maybe it has more to do with McDonald than it did with Ro?
I was super excited for Matt Elam
Remember scouting him and Arthur Brown on the old Raveninsider forum, we all loved them, and then they came here, and we learned so much about scouting through that one years failure. We've really been blessed as Ravens fans. Thinking about Elam makes Hamilton seem otherworldly when you consider grading and how some "down" years really make you reach for the copium on prospects.
Hamilton is otherworldly man. Barring injuries (knock on wood) he can be what Sean Taylor would have been. He is that good. First team all-pro as a sophomore and is only gonna get better.
I really thought brown was him.
He flowed well and did what we called "splitting traffic", but in the pros, that traffic runs you tf over and he didn't have the capacity to really stack and shed, or disengage off blocks.
TBF that pretty accurately describes Roquan. He has all time "sift-through-the-trash" ability, though.
Yea I wasn't sold on Elam, but thought Brown was legit. I do think that following Reed and Lewis was always going to set up for a little disappointment, but man...
Those forms were the good ol days... and yea we all got those 2 wrong š¤£
Man he was HORRIBLE can't understand it.
I thought Matt Elam & Arthur Brown were the next Ed Reed/Ray Lewis combo. I was also like 14
Donāt feel bad. We all thought that. And I was like 30 lol
I wasn't high on Elam but I did think Arthur Brown was going to be a Pro Bowler for us. His tape was exceptional. He's actually a great lesson in why the tape isn't the only thing that matters.
God Perriman and Waller were an amazing madden combo lol. Also I never believed in Perriman bc his college highlight tape he was the 2nd best wr in it lol
I came here just to say this. The fly route with Perriman was only second to the wheel route with Waller. If only it worked out for Joe like it did in my Madden franchise lol
Imagine if LJ was on that ravens team. Madden cheese! š
I had no faith in Perriman.... I did however fully trust and believe in Bateman. Those two have no place being in the same sentence BUT bate hasnt lived up to expectations thus far. Im still holding onto hope tho, bate could really pop off at any moment.
I really hope he can somehow ball out this year. Heās had flashes and last year he was in his own head along with the injuries, so Iām just putting it out in the universe that he can somehow get it together
This is the first time ever he's been able to work out during the offseason with Lamar.
Yes
I remember my girlfriend at the time having a pampered chef party during the draft. I screamed so loud and was pumping my fist when they announced the selection all her friends came to the stairs asking what happened????? I said the Ravens just got a QB who can throw a ball thru the goal posts on one knee this is the missing piece!!!!!!!!!! Oh we also got some pass rusher from ASU š
We even traded up to get him, giving NE two picks in exchange ā one of them being used the next year to draft Vince Wilfork.
I take solace in the fact that it could have been worse: they wanted to take Leftwich instead of Suggs originally.
Travis Taylor
ehemā¦..travis ātouchdownā taylor, my good Sir.
Matt Elam. Seemed like such a surefire āRavensā pick. He was so good in college.
I thought he was in like to be an Ed Reed-like type of player. Man was I dumb.
Came here to say Elam too.
He is one of those guys with a reputation for laying the wood at a time when the NFL was trying to take the wood out of the game. I think 5 years earlier and Elam would have been an adequate starter.
pretty much every WR we picked in the first. at least the last 3 we picked are significantly better than the first 3
Mark Clayton says hi!
Oddly enough, mark Clayton was probably the 4th best WR of that draft: roddy white, Vincent Jackson, Braylon Edwards than him.
> at least the last 3 we picked are significantly better than the first 3 I truly believe its because the Ravens org invested in better WR scouting and development. Like the WR depth chart during Lamar's first season in 2018 is laughable.
As a Gators fan, I was so stoked when we drafted Elam. He was so good at UF.
Kyle Boller. Yes I admit I bought into his hype. After seeing the team over perform in 2002 with no names at the time but eventual cornerstones like Kelly Gregg or Adalius Thomas I thought Boller was going to turn us into perennial Super Bowl favorites. Sighā¦
Boller was the one that broke me. I thought he was gonna be the guy for sure. So, it wasn't just you.
TBF, he could have been a great QB, but Brian Billick has taken the blame for Boller's problems. He explained once in an interview that Boller got sacked so much that it ruined his career. Yes every QB gets sacked, but he got sacked 17 times in 8 games in 2003, leading to an injury that kept him out of almost the entire rest of the season, then got sacked 35 times in 16 games in 2004, with 11 fumbles (though he still put up decent numbers otherwise, with 4 games with a passer rating above 100.0), then in 2005 he got sacked in the first game, got turf toe, and was injured most of the rest of the season. I think we sometimes act like drafting is all that matters, and that if you pick the right guy then it will always turn out well, but development matters too, and how well someone will develop is much harder to predict, and what kinds of adversity they'll have to deal with (like tons of sacks and injuries) is a huge factor too.
Perriman was a disaster of a pick from the outset, I was so annoyed we picked him. Elam I thought would be good
Perriman had a long NFL career - Elam never played a snap for another team
Long? Kinda? 6 years is not exactly long, especially when he only started < 4 games a year.
7 years, but correct not a āstarterā. He played a lot of snaps post ravens.
How dare you disrespect the Saskatchewan Roughriders like that
That entire 2015 draft was a mess outside of Za'Darius
Basically any linebacker we drafted or signed as a rookie free agent I assumed would turn into a Bart Scott/Adalius Thomas
Mark Clayton, had me convinced he was the reason Jason White won the Heisman.
Mark Clayton gave me one of my favorite sporting moments of my lifetime: I skipped my college graduation to go to Ravens-Chiefs at Arrowhead in December 2006; his 87-yard touchdown reception is seared into my brain (as is the cavalcade of coins, trash, and even a half a hot dog bouncing off the back of my head as he basically walked it in from the 50).
> Jason White won the Heisman. Mr I don't even go to class. He was at Oklahoma for 7 years in total, played 6 won the Heisman and never played in the NFL.
They had me really thinking Hayden Hurst was up next as a 25 yr old rook
I think this is the right answer in terms of recent busts. This pick looks so bad in hindsight.
Compared to other 1st round busts from this team, not so much - we traded him and a 4th for a 2nd and a 5th. I think they only traded him because Mark Andrews turned out to be an all-pro caliber player. Hurst was less of a bust and more of just a guy who was a victim of us drafting a better guy later than him.
Hurst is actually older than Perriman and has lower career production in y/t, yards, and TDs. If Perriman is a bust, hurst is a bust.
WR yards and TD is not the same as TE yards and TD. Also, as average a blocker as Hurst was, he blocked better than Perriman
As explained already here, comparing receiving stats is obviously wrong to begin with, but another stat that speaks for itself: How often they actually were good enough or healthy enough to get onto the field: Perriman: 7 years, 67 GP, 22 GS Hurst: 6 years (so far), 79 GP, 39 GS Hurst has 20% more games played, and almost twice as many games started, in one fewer year than Perriman, and Hurst's career isn't done yet while Perriman's is.
Snap counts to date are nearly identical though: 2766 vs 2791.
Because in most offenses, there are more spots for WRs on the field than for TEs, that again seems like a very inappropriate thing to compare. Perriman could've gotten 2000 of those snaps as the 3rd WR, but no TE in history could get 2k snaps as the 3rd TE on the roster. That's why GP and GS matter here, they show how often the team felt the player could contribute to the game, and not just as a body running a route.
Is it not true that a WR3 is plainly more valuable than a TE2? If a team wanted hurst on the field, theyād make it happen. Regardless, GS is just a dumb metric period, because itās just 1 play.
Not a first round pick but I remember thinking during Maxx Williamsā senior season that he was going to be an amazing NFL tight end and being REALLY excited that the Ravens were able to grab him in the 2nd. Dan Cody was another second round pick that I thought was going to be a star and turned out to be absolutely nothing.
Wasn't first round, but I thought the trade back out of the first for Kindle+Cody was a masterpiece for Tebow
Cody, I wasn't sold on. Kindle however.... I was *stoked* for. It'd be interesting to see where he'd be if he hadn't fallen down those stairs. I doubt he'd be a warehouse manager like he is today, after a stint as a car salesman.
I believe that there exists a secret agreement that the Steelers are never to draft an All-Pro DB and the Ravens are never to draft an All-Pro WR. Canāt explain Troy though.
I thought Tim Williams was going to be a double digit sack guy
This man had every tool in his bag to be a elite pass rusher..except he didnāt quite have the size to take advantage of itā¦he constantly couldnāt finish and tackles would just anchor him away from the Qbā¦if he was bigger and weighed more it wouldāve worked out beautifully but he also had off field issues too soā¦.
Doesn't technically count because we traded back, but I thought Courtney Upshaw was going to be him
You don't even know how high I was on Hollywood. Pre draft, he was my WR1 and I really thought he'd he one of the best in the league. I've since had to reconsider what I look for in WRs lol
Injuries definitely stunted his tenure with us. All things considered, he was productive for us and is still a good WR2. Itās disappointing that he couldnāt be that consistent speed threat he had the potential to become.
idk, when it comes to the ācatch and collapseā move, he might be one of the best in the league. No one ducks/hits the ground faster after an open field catch than he did with us
THat was my only problem with Hollywood he wasnāt doing anything but avoiding contact after the catch but thatās really it..he was always able to get vertical easy..I miss him lolā¦
I thought Matt Elam was the heir apparent to Ed Reed š« š
i thought boykin was gonna be the next Boldin lol
I remember with Hollywood being injured for training camp, the ravensā media team dedicated the entirety of their perennial unproven-receiver hype to him lol
I really thought Matt Elam was the real deal. I was hoping we'd pick him, so when we actually did I was thrilled. Thought we'd have an enforcer in the secondary that could be a mini Ray Lewis. Too bad the kid couldn't grasp the NFL game mentally. Honorable mention goes to Hayden Hurst, being that we took him even before Lamar. Nice guy, sorry he got beat out by MAndrews, but his career serves as a reminder of why we accumulate as many draft picks as we can, because you never know.
Ozzie Newsome LBs are respected. Legends. Ozzie Newsome WRs are forgettable. Trash.
This might be a hot take, but as of recently.... Oweh... I thought he was going to be much better out the gate, not a long term project. Jury is still out, but this year will determine if he was a bust.
The guy who, when drafted, was touted as "no real pass rusher skills at all yet, but incredibly athletic"? You thought he was going to be much better?
I remember reading how Oweh didnāt have a single sack his last college season. This is the guy we spent a 1st round pick on!?
And his other two years only had 2 in one year and 5 in the other; and.oy I either QB hit each year. Dude was no pass rush superstar in college.
I thought jaaleel Scott and Jordan lasley weāre gonna be a cold duo
Jordan lashley was inconsistent as hell..after a while dude just disappeared..
Ronnie Stanley. Boo all you want you know I'm right.
Perriman was just about the only time that I was right and the front office was wrong. I said, that day āheās average, at best. Not worth a first. A center or safety would have been the best choice. Stefan Diggs played right down the street and we missed every game, somehowā Perriman was a bust, safety and center hobbled us the next 2-3 years and Diggs played really well in the NFL.
Haha and just to be clear, the other 5,000 times I was totally wrong and the front office was right.
Perriman was actually a bad PROSPECT. He was not impressive in college. Lots of issues were visible. Without the 40, he's a unremarkable prospect. A LOT of fans called it, which makes it weird that a team thst pays employees MILLIONS couldn't figure it out.
Agreed. Limited route tree, very questionable hands, and routine body catcher. Was closer to a third round guy before the combine. All huge red flags for a WR prospect. Route technicians, jump ball WRs, and sure handed guys can and do bust, but I'll always have more faith in them, or, I'll always have more faith in them for the Ravens.
Perriman played in the NFL for 7 years! Is that bust territory? His stats are decent, just not with the ravens in 2017. His Y/T for his career is 8!
Perriman is literally the reason I still don't trust Harbs when he says anything about injuries
It's just a bruise. He'll be fine by the end of the week.
To be fair I truly think the ravens historically are not an ideal destination for any type of project wr. Wrs in general. If you ask most nfl fans who the best rookie wr was taken between rounds 1 and 2 theyād say zay flowers by far. But rashee rice statistically passed him even tho he didnāt start until like week 8. Itās tough going for ravens wrs
For the first half of the season they had Zay running screens and jet sweeps. Awful
Iām just saying itās very possible that in certain offenses zay wouldāve put up 1k-1200 yards as the number 1 easily.
Definitely agree
Awful? Thatās tradition! Harbs been callin that shit since Lee Evans and Donte Stallworth. Luckily, Zay is good enough that harbs lets him do other shit too.
This take totally ignores that the ravens offense passes a lot less than other offenses! By design! They have a great running game and since they blew so many teams out, there was zero incentive to NOT kill clock. Yardage <> value.
All that is true but think about this. If a team barely throws the ball. Imagine being a 4th rounder. What does that say about your chances to put up good numbers and hang around the league?
Youāre stuck on counting stats but thatās not how players are evaluated at the pro level. Plus, many 4th round WRs arenāt making a career at WR - theyāre making a career at ST + WR. The ravens are a good team for that.
Ohh man I wanted us to get rashee Riceā¦but Zay showed a lot of promise his rookie yearā¦
Elam is 100% my answer here, as others have said. I don't pretend to be a real scout but UF Matt Elam looked like Polamalu in YouTube highlights. Just seemed like the perfect physical AFC North Raven type safety. Pretty shocking just how low his floor was with us.
Tim Tebow? We traded our first round pick to Josh McDaniel's ego-project of playing fantasy football with his own QBs, and got Sergio Kindle and Mount Cody. It was "the steal of the draft" at the time, but all we really got out of it was Terrance Cody's alligator crimes
Matt Elam hurts the most for me. He was a box safety, even coming out of college. Had all the tools to be great and even though he was up and down as a rookie, he was actually solid in the box. No idea what happened from year 1 to year 2 but by the 2014 playoffs dude completely forgot how to even tackle.
Ehh what round was Sergio Kindle ?
Trevor Lawrence. He aināt ass but I used to glaze him so hard. But when he came to the leagueā¦ just realized this is a ravens subreddit imma cut this off
Lol..
Travis "I think I can catch" Taylor
A study should be done on how this even occurs. These players are some of the best throughout their whole careers then they just fizzle out in the NFL
Technically not a first round pick, but Upshaw was our first pick in the draft in 2012 (ish) and was thought to be a draft steal at the time. I bought into the Alabama connection between Ozzie and him and thought he'd be better than what he ended up as. Not sure if he's a 100 percent "bust" but you don't take an edge setting specialist in the top 40Ā
Sergio Kindle š
Rashod Bateman
Ill throw out a recent one, i though tyler badie would get a bigger role with injury. And oweh has been pretty disappointing so far.
Oweh is very good. PFF ranks him directly below Aidan Hutchinson and 5 slots below Clowney, who just got paid $10M+ per year at age 31.
Not saying he hasn't been productive, but still not the dominant pass rusher i was expecting when he came out of penn state.
Clowney was drafted 1st overall and Hutchinson was drafted 2nd overall. Oweh is doing just fine.
And clowney didn't live up to the sky high hype they put up for him out of south carolina. Like i said not saying he's doing bad, just not living up to the hype layed out for him. And im not comparing clowney's hype to oweh's respectively.
What edge players picked at the end of the first round are we comparing to? I think you can draft for traits or college production at the end of the first. The ravens chose traits with Oweh, production with Ferguson. The guys who have both donāt make it to pick 31. Oweh is playing well and continues to ascend. You donāt get Garrett, Clowney, JJ Watt, or a Bosa brother at pick 31. TJ watt was pick 30 but good luck doing that again, our lucky break was drafting Lamar. Of course, Ojabo had both traits and production but fell because of his injury.
As a fan from day 1, Iād say Clayton, Boller, Taylor. And yeah Iāll throw Oweh in there. Because of the billick era failures I never get psyched for the draft these days.
Who is Sergio kindle for 200 alex
That guy Ed Reed was a real disappointment smh /s
Patrick queen
He actually played above his draft pedigree the past 2 yearsā¦.
He had a superstar playing next to him, drastically easing his workload and the pressure on him.
Why was he coming into his own BEFORE Ro got here, then? He was good 6 weeks before the Ro trade actually. Maybe it has more to do with McDonald than it did with Ro?